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- Lucas: So I had a meeting this week where my boss talked for forty-five straight minutes. I counted. I checked my watch when she started, and I checked again when she finally paused for a breath. The whole time, she was solving problems nobody had asked her to solve. Luna: That's brutal. And it's a specific type of difficult boss we haven't covered yet—the one who never stops talking. Lucas: Right, we've done the ghost, the gaslighter, the priority-churner. But the verbal monopolist is different. They're not necessarily malicious or even insecure in a visible way. They just fill every available space with their own voice, and it's exhausting. Luna: Exhausting is the word. Because you can't get a word in edgewise, so nothing you know ever gets heard. Lucas: And that's the real cost. It's not just that your ears hurt. It's that decisions get made without your input, deadlines get missed because nobody could tell the boss the timeline was unrealistic, and quiet team members start checking out entirely. Luna: So what's actually going on inside the head of someone who talks like this? Is it pure ego? Lucas: Sometimes it is. But if you dig into the psychology, it's often anxiety. They're afraid that if they stop talking, someone will raise a problem they don't have an answer for. So they keep the stream going as a kind of protective noise. Luna: That makes sense. Or they're just not self-aware. They genuinely don't notice they've been talking for twenty minutes because they're enjoying the sound of their own thoughts. Lucas: Exactly. And the fix is different depending on which one you're dealing with. But there's a common first step: you have to find a way to break the pattern without making them defensive. Luna: Which is tricky, because if you interrupt, you're rude. If you wait for a pause, there may never be one. Lucas: So you have to create a pause. One technique that works is the 'strategic object drop.' You literally drop your pen on the table, or you set your coffee mug down with a little more force than necessary. The sound interrupts their flow for half a second, and that's your window. Luna: A pen drop. That's a tactile intervention. I like it, but what if they just keep talking over it? Lucas: Then you escalate to a verbal cue. Something like, 'Great point, and I want to build on that—can I share one quick observation?' You're not challenging them, you're building on them, which is much harder to refuse. Luna: I've used that. 'Building on what you said' is like a secret key that unlocks the door. Lucas: It works because it flatters their ego while giving you the floor. But you have to be prepared to take the floor firmly. Don't ask a question that ends with an invitation to keep talking. Make a statement. Luna: So instead of 'What do you think about the timeline?' you say, 'The timeline is tight, and here's what I need to flag.' Lucas: Exactly. Statement, not question. Questions are an open door for them to walk through. Statements create a moment of pause because they have to process what you just said. Luna: And if they still don't stop? I've had bosses who would just raise their voice and keep going. Lucas: That's when you move to the written follow-up. After the meeting, you send a summary email that includes your input. You might write, 'Thanks for the discussion. As I mentioned, I have a concern about the timeline, and I've included my notes here.' Even if you didn't get to mention it verbally, you're creating a record. Luna: That's clever. It also subtly teaches them that they can't talk over a written document. Lucas: And it protects you if things go sideways. You've documented that you tried to raise the issue, even if the boss steamrolled you in the moment. Luna: Something that has helped me is to schedule a separate one-on-one just to talk about a specific topic. A meeting with an agenda. That way, the boss knows we're there to talk about X, and it's a bit harder to drift into a monologue. Lucas: That's a good tactic—structure as a shield. But you also have to be willing to hold the structure. If your boss starts going off on a tangent, you can say, 'Let's park that for a moment and get back to the hiring plan. We've got ten minutes left.' Luna: And if they reload with 'Just let me finish this thought'? Lucas: You let them finish, but you keep checking the clock. And then you say, 'Okay, we've got five minutes. Can we focus on the staffing decision?' You're the timekeeper. You're not being rude—you're being efficient. Luna: I think the hardest part is when the boss is the CEO or a senior VP. You can't just pen-drop the CEO. Lucas: No, but you can use the 'meeting within a meeting' technique. You can say, 'Before we move on, I want to put a flag on something for ten seconds.' And then you say it in ten seconds, max. Luna: Ten seconds. That's discipline. But it works because it's a tiny, time-boxed commitment they can't argue with. Lucas: And you have to practice it. I've literally timed myself talking to a mirror to make sure I can express a key point in under ten seconds. Because if you go over, you lose credibility. Luna: That's next-level preparation. I do that too, but for a different reason—I have a tendency to ramble myself, so I work on being concise. Lucas: Which is actually a good segue. Because before we go deeper into what to do, I want to acknowledge something that just hit me. Our listeners are often the ones dealing with these bosses, but sometimes we're the talker. I mean, I've caught myself dominating a conversation without realizing it. Luna: Oh, absolutely. And it's a good reminder that self-awareness is a muscle. Lucas: And speaking of muscles, we've got a small but mighty group of listeners who keep this show going. It's not a big ad-funded machine—it's literally people who chip in a few bucks a month, and that's what lets us make these episodes without interrupting with ads. Luna: Yeah, if you've ever gotten a tip from this show that saved you in a meeting, you can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It's just a way to keep things ad-free. Lucas: Right. And it's not about perks or anything—it's just about keeping the lights on. So if that's you, thanks. Now, back to the boss who won't shut up. Luna: So we've covered tactics for the moment. But what about the long game? How do you change the dynamic over months, not just in one meeting? Lucas: That's where you have to look at the incentives. If the boss's talking is driven by anxiety, you need to give them confidence that you've got the ball. So you over-communicate proactively. Send them updates before they ask. Show them you're on top of it. Luna: So they feel less need to fill the space with their own voice because they trust you've got it. Lucas: Exactly. And if it's ego-driven, you have to find ways to give them the recognition they crave without letting them steamroll you. Praise them publicly for their vision, then say, 'And I've got an operational detail to add.' Luna: It's like managing a toddler, but with a salary. Lucas: Sometimes it feels that way. But here's the thing: if you never address it, the resentment builds. You start to dread every meeting, you disengage, and your career stalls because you're not contributing. Luna: And that's the silent killer of teams. One person's monologue can actually kill innovation because nobody else gets a word in. Lucas: I read a study recently that said in teams where one person talks more than 70 percent of the time, the quality of decisions drops significantly. You lose the diversity of thought. And over time, the quiet people, the ones with the good ideas, just stop offering them. Luna: That's a real cost. It's not just an annoyance—it's a business problem. Lucas: So you have to treat it like one. Document the impact. If you can show that meetings always run over because the boss talks too long, and that's affecting delivery, you can raise it with HR or in a 360 feedback. Luna: But first, you probably want to try the direct approach, maybe in a private conversation. Lucas: Yes, and I'd frame it as something you need, not as something they're doing wrong. Like, 'I realize I learn best when I can process things in writing. Could we try having me send you a brief note before our meetings so I can make sure I'm tracking everything?' Luna: That's a softer way to say 'you talk too fast for me to keep up' without blaming them. Lucas: And it works, because it gives them a concrete action that also slows them down. They have to read your note, which gives you a moment to speak. Luna: I've also found that sometimes the boss just doesn't know they're doing it. So a gentle 'heads up' can be enough to change their behavior. Lucas: I had a boss once who was notoriously long-winded, and one day I just said, 'You know, I sometimes feel like I don't get a chance to share my thoughts.' And he looked genuinely shocked. He had no idea. He apologized and made an effort. Luna: That's the best-case scenario. But there are bosses who will never change, and then you have to decide if it's a deal-breaker. Lucas: And that's the honest truth. You can try all these tactics, but if the boss is deeply insecure or narcissistic, the monologue is a feature, not a bug. And then your choice is to adapt, or to leave, or to find a different team. Luna: And knowing when to stop trying to fix a broken system is a skill in itself. Lucas: Yeah, and I think that's the real takeaway. You can't control your boss, you can only control how you respond. And sometimes the most powerful response is to decide that you deserve a boss who listens. Luna: Well said. And on that note, I think we've given our listeners a lot to work with, from pen drops to exit strategies. Lucas: If you've got a boss who never stops talking, try one of these tactics. And if it works, we'd love to hear about it. Until next time.