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Geoff Schwartz on the Utah and Big 12 FB post media days, Should Texas Tech be the favorites to win the conference + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell show, you were home of the best inside
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  Speaker 3: From the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred ninety
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  Speaker 3: two to one, alf Am.
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  Speaker 1: We are seven minutes into England Argentina and it has
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  Speaker 1: already got real spicy between these two squads. England, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, much taller than the Argentine side. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why I didn't have that on my bingo card,
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  Speaker 1: but there's just physically a lot bigger. We also have
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  Speaker 1: a Leo Messi trash talking exchange face that is going
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  Speaker 1: to be memed aggressively if Argentina ends up winning this thing.
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  Speaker 1: So far scoreless, nil nil, seven and a half minutes
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  Speaker 1: in now and they're literally tackling one another.
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  Speaker 4: It's wonderful. Jeff Schwartz is kind enough.
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  Speaker 1: To stop by the talk all things with out the
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  Speaker 1: upcoming football seasons College and pro.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I am good.
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  Speaker 3: I watching a lot of soccer, as we all are.
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  Speaker 3: I'm also watching the match, not the game, the match.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta say that some of these, like the penalty yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: was felt very punitive for what actually occurred on the play.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like soccer has some very rigid rules on
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  Speaker 2: and plus.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's for player safety, but I mean, I get
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  Speaker 3: why it was a foul a penalty, but like the
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  Speaker 3: guy wasn't gonna make the shot, like if he missed
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  Speaker 3: the ball and he got kicked after missing the ball,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how that equates to like a eighty
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  Speaker 3: five percent goal shot that that their team gets.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's because it happens because of where it happened
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  Speaker 1: on the field.
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  Speaker 2: I get what. I know it was.
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  Speaker 3: I know it was in the box. I get that,
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  Speaker 3: But he wasn't making the goal. He wasn't he missed.
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  Speaker 3: The guy who went for the ball, I think was
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  Speaker 3: you mean, well, Jamal, he missed the ball, like the
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  Speaker 3: kick had no had no play in him missing the ball.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like it's a very harsh penalties.
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  Speaker 4: I actually was.
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  Speaker 1: That's like one of the only penalties where I thought
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  Speaker 1: that the player reaction to the impact of the actual
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  Speaker 1: contact was remotely appropriate because that was like a real kick.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh no, I'm sure it hurts.
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  Speaker 3: I think that that's appropriate, but I just thought it's like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: that's a pretty harsh punishment. My gambling partner, my podcast
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  Speaker 3: partner as well, Chris Filica the Bear. He liked three
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  Speaker 3: and a half over three and a half cards in
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  Speaker 3: this game. I think we have zero so far, but
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  Speaker 3: they might have ten. The way this game is being played.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of I mean, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of upper body action going on it for a soccer game.
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  Speaker 1: Like everyone is, everyone is grabbing, everyone is pulling, everyone
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  Speaker 1: is swinging.
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  Speaker 4: Their arms about. I love this.
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  Speaker 1: This is as much contact as you're going to see
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  Speaker 1: in a World Cup game. So England Argentina zero zero,
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  Speaker 1: almost ten minutes in. Now, Jeff, are you excited for
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  Speaker 1: a monster energy Big twelve football season?
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  Speaker 3: Is b Why you're gonna have a caffeine free patch
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  Speaker 3: on theirs?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, caffeine, caffeine.
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  Speaker 4: Energy drinks are allowed?
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  Speaker 2: They are?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I didn't I didn't know the rules, so
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  Speaker 3: I was I was not quite sure. I cannot be
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  Speaker 3: more excited for the Big total season in the beginning. No,
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  Speaker 3: I almost there for football, it was. I did a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of a SEC media day today filling in
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  Speaker 3: in Charlotte. It was so nice just to like drive
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  Speaker 3: to the to the UH to the media day and just.
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  Speaker 2: Come home afterwards. So I'm look at a football mood.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like this soccer has gotten me excited for
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  Speaker 3: football because we're all doing this together, right, We're all
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  Speaker 3: watching the match together, just like we would watch football together.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm I'm ready for the season. I've seen some
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  Speaker 3: comments from media day like Colorado's coaches seem very excited
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  Speaker 3: for their team, which is good. You're acam just kind
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  Speaker 3: of feed you whatever I think you're into. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of Colorado content.
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  Speaker 1: One of the I mean, I obviously get a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Utah content fed by my algorithm, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: the the interesting thing for me here is that Morgan
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  Speaker 1: Scalley is taking over as a first year head coach.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of the expectations, including those in Vegas,
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  Speaker 1: are that the product is going to be pretty consistent
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  Speaker 1: on the field, and I think Morgan Scalley is an
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  Speaker 1: awesome coach and will be a great head coach. I'm
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  Speaker 1: less certain that, you know, there's no hiccups in this process.
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  Speaker 1: And the wind total set at eight and a half,
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  Speaker 1: which is fine given their schedule especially, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: probably very realistic for Utah to even expect an over
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  Speaker 1: on that. They're right up there with BYU though, and
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  Speaker 1: BYU has a lot more returning production. And I wanted
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on why while Boy has a a bit
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  Speaker 1: tougher schedule, why those two teams are still considered on
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  Speaker 1: the same plane despite a massive amount of turnover for
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  Speaker 1: one school and hardly any for the other.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that odds makers just sort of set
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  Speaker 3: seven and a half or eight and a half as
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  Speaker 3: like the number for any team they think could be good.
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  Speaker 2: This season, right, like ten wins.
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  Speaker 3: If you go like again, if you go to to
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  Speaker 3: nine and a half, sean ten's a lot of wins,
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  Speaker 3: Man wins. I mean, it's a lot of wins. You
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  Speaker 3: tied a ten win season last year, so eight and
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  Speaker 3: a half that.
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  Speaker 2: Was including the bowl game though, right.
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  Speaker 4: Or not eleven with the Bull.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, they only lost in the regular season to Tech
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  Speaker 3: and to by Yeah, the just so people are awhere,
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  Speaker 3: like the the win totals only count regular season. They
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  Speaker 3: don't couch conference championship games or or bowl or PLAYF games.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it feels about right. I think that you know,
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  Speaker 3: b why you benefited last year from the schedule a
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  Speaker 3: little bit right. We talked about that all through their season,
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  Speaker 3: like how good are they? Are they really right? And
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  Speaker 3: this year's tough for schedule. I think Utah, it's fair.
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  Speaker 3: The questions are just simply, you know, that's everything's new, right,
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  Speaker 3: everything's new with Utah, and that has people just questioning
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  Speaker 3: like whether they're going to be good or not this year, right, Sean?
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  Speaker 2: And then that's fair. I know I've questioned that as well.
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  Speaker 3: When you have everything new transition year from something you've
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  Speaker 3: known for you know, twenty years to a complete unknown
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  Speaker 3: at head coach, there are you know, there are new
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  Speaker 3: new other pieces around the roster, Like I love Jordan Gross,
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  Speaker 3: these good friend of mine, but it's just first, this
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  Speaker 3: is his first job in the powerful level. Like I
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  Speaker 3: think it's all going to take time to sort of
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  Speaker 3: see what Utah is going to be, right, and then
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  Speaker 3: that's fair assessment. The talent is there, but I think
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  Speaker 3: it's fair to say that I just I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what they're gonna be. And for b Yu, again it's there.
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  Speaker 3: They're just playing a much better it's tougher schedule this season.
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  Speaker 4: B Yu.
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  Speaker 1: They to me, it feels like the odds makers just
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  Speaker 1: lop to win off the top because they're playing Notre
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  Speaker 1: Dame in the middle of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a fair assessment. Yeah, I would imagine.
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  Speaker 3: So, I know people look at the Nordame game and
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  Speaker 3: think like, this is the one chance Not Dame has
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  Speaker 3: to lose outside of Miami. It's like, I think that's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a game where I'm curious what the odds
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  Speaker 3: are going to be for that game, because obviously BYU,
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  Speaker 3: you know, is uh probably too touchdown underdog in that
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  Speaker 3: game at home, maybe ten points. I'm curious of what
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  Speaker 3: that number ends up being when they get there. I
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  Speaker 3: think people look at her name schedule and sort of
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  Speaker 3: you know, Miami game at home, that's a that's a
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  Speaker 3: toss up, and then people look at it, Oh, b Yu,
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  Speaker 3: maybe that's the team that could be Nerredame.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see how that one plays out.
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  Speaker 1: I had a guest on yesterday who looked at the
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  Speaker 1: Utah schedule with me and was like, yeah, we might
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  Speaker 1: not know what Utah is really until Houston in like
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  Speaker 1: week eight. And I was chuckling about it because when
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  Speaker 1: you look at the schedule and you see kind of
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  Speaker 1: how things line up that might be accurate, and you
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  Speaker 1: know that that is a reason for optimism obviously, that
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  Speaker 1: you get a softer, more friendly schedule at the very
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  Speaker 1: beginning of the year to try to figure out these
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  Speaker 1: growing pains. Like you said, we don't know exactly what
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  Speaker 1: everything's going to look like. When you go back to
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  Speaker 1: all your years in football, I mean, how much different
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  Speaker 1: is the chemistry on an offensive line from week one
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  Speaker 1: to week six, if assuming the same guys are all
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  Speaker 1: healthy and stuff like, how much different is the level
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  Speaker 1: of play from that particular unit from the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the year to mid season.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's huge, of course it is, right. It's why
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  Speaker 3: we see teams improve throughout the season as they get
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  Speaker 3: more opportunity to be with each other and do things
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  Speaker 3: with each other. Look, you have to sort of see
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  Speaker 3: every situation before you get comfortable in it as a group, right,
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  Speaker 3: So like week one, you might have a play called,
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  Speaker 3: a protection called and you see a certain look on
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  Speaker 3: the defense, right. You might not see that same look
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  Speaker 3: again for four weeks with the same play, right, and
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  Speaker 3: then you know, oh we saw this, remember what we saw.
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  Speaker 3: And then it also takes time sean to figure out
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  Speaker 3: what offense you want to be and that that plays
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  Speaker 3: a role. So I remember this very very It's a
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  Speaker 3: fun story. Like the tells that it kind of sets
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  Speaker 3: up what I what I believe when it takes a
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  Speaker 3: new office. I've always believed offense is taking about eight
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  Speaker 3: to ten twelve weeks in the nflally clear for NFL
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  Speaker 3: to get going with a new coordinator. I'll give you
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  Speaker 3: an example from my playing days. We to buy after
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  Speaker 3: week nine in Kansas City were actually nine and zero
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  Speaker 3: where Andy Reid first year in Kansas City and our coach,
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  Speaker 3: Andy Hack who's still their OFFENSI line coach Andy Heck
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  Speaker 3: he loved power right. He called a God's play love power,
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  Speaker 3: all right. We have a shirt I think like called
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  Speaker 3: take the Bull by the Horns. That's like you think
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  Speaker 3: that was like a stake and like I don't think
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  Speaker 3: you put up as a that's like you know, like
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  Speaker 3: that's like a you know, take the ball.
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  Speaker 2: On the horns. God's plays power like he love power. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Power is like a strong double team point of attack.
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  Speaker 3: Guard pulls typically a full back or tied in kicks
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  Speaker 3: out like you can even add a third guy power
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  Speaker 3: rap right, like a third guy in there, just a
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  Speaker 3: big old like you know, we're gonna beat you down.
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  Speaker 3: So after nine weeks, we get into a team meeting
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  Speaker 3: to go over our efficiency numbers. Thirteen percent efficient running
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  Speaker 3: power up to that point this season, and we were
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  Speaker 3: like fifty something percent efficient outside zone. So coach said,
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  Speaker 3: all right, no more power, we're running outside zone instead.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Like, so I give Andy Reid credit for that
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  Speaker 3: and Andy heck for that, because offensive line coaches do
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  Speaker 3: most of the run game.
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  Speaker 2: But that tells you, like that took nine weeks.
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  Speaker 3: To figure out we were running a pretty inefficient run
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  Speaker 3: a lot because coach liked it. So the same can
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  Speaker 3: apply here, Right, You decide you want to run a
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  Speaker 3: certain type of offense and you realize halfway through season
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't really feel what we do. Or maybe you
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  Speaker 3: try seventy eight nine things on offense and you have
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  Speaker 3: to sort of piece them together for the first six weeks,
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  Speaker 3: you figure out, Okay, we're going to do this. So
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  Speaker 3: my whole point of saying this is that it just
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  Speaker 3: takes time sometimes, right, Sean. So that's why I think
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  Speaker 3: there's a skepticism with with Utah, just you don't know
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  Speaker 3: what you're gonna be with a new coaching staff and
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  Speaker 3: new players and all around new offensive line right at
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  Speaker 3: least as the key pieces are leaving it tackle. So
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  Speaker 3: it just takes time. It takes time, coach don't figure
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  Speaker 3: out eventually, but yeah, you might. It might take the
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  Speaker 3: week eight till you hit your shride.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of excitement over something we saw integrated
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  Speaker 1: in spring football, these rhino packages where you've got effectively,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a offensive line or defensive lineman sized fullback
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  Speaker 1: in the game as an offensive lineman.
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  Speaker 4: Do you like those plays?
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  Speaker 2: Who's a quarterback? Is this like a gimmick quarterback thing too?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 1: Both the quarterbacks are pretty interchangeable, so I think that No,
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  Speaker 1: I think you've got one of your regular guys on there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I love that all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you know how I feel about like those
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  Speaker 3: quarterback runs, like teams do all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I just.
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  Speaker 3: Part of a good offense, right is having multiplicity, and
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  Speaker 3: so having a couple of these plays is really good,
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  Speaker 3: right because you want to give the defense a lot
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  Speaker 3: to think about it, a lot to one point, a
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  Speaker 3: lot to practice. Sometimes coaches just roll out plays just
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  Speaker 3: to mess with the defense for next week, right and
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  Speaker 3: the week.
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  Speaker 2: After, just to put something on film.
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  Speaker 3: They have to practice extra five to ten minutes at
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  Speaker 3: practice right and align properly to this. Especially in college
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  Speaker 3: with all the unbalanced formations, you can really spend a
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  Speaker 3: lot of time on defense trying to fit these different things.
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  Speaker 3: And so if you do it like as a change up,
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  Speaker 3: as as something you know you do every now and then,
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  Speaker 3: yeah great.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing with those formations, there's only a certain
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  Speaker 2: number of plays you.
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  Speaker 3: Could run right, power right, we're talking about power right,
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  Speaker 3: power maybe counter maybe outside zone. There's a couple you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're a couple of play action passes, move the pocket, like,
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  Speaker 3: there's just like ten plays.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: Defense is know the ten places too, Sean. So I
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  Speaker 3: think that I like that. I like the mentality of
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  Speaker 3: like war, going to try to beat up our opponent.
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  Speaker 3: And there's certainly a time and a place for these
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  Speaker 3: type of formations, but it's got to be in the moderation, right.
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  Speaker 3: It can't be end up being like I know again,
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  Speaker 3: people love like, oh, bring in the rhino package. I
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  Speaker 3: remember as a player, I loved it too, but just
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  Speaker 3: sometimes right it could be a good change up, it
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  Speaker 3: just can't be.
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  Speaker 2: Run a good amount.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you remember remember back Oregon State, who was
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  Speaker 3: the linebacker they had playing the running quarterback. Remember you
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  Speaker 3: come in and like it was a linebacker, come in
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  Speaker 3: and run for a month, fourth and two all the time,
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  Speaker 3: and get to the back half of the season and
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  Speaker 3: it just wasn't as good anymore. I remember they played Organ.
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  Speaker 3: Organ stuffed them a couple of times. It's like four
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  Speaker 3: plays you could run like good teams figure it out.
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  Speaker 3: So I think it's fun in doses, but you just
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  Speaker 3: can't make it a staple of a situation.
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  Speaker 4: I forget who was it that they were used.
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  Speaker 2: It was a tight end, wasn't it. It must have
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  Speaker 2: been a tight end. It must it was.
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  Speaker 4: He was, You're right, he was.
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  Speaker 1: He was a linebacker that they would bring over to
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  Speaker 1: play on the offense. He would run like wildcat packages.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it just ran power all the time,
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  Speaker 3: and eventually Organ just ran a linebacker through the backside
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  Speaker 3: b gap and the play was done. It was like that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in the same pile of the time, Like
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  Speaker 3: the good teams are going to figure it out. It's
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  Speaker 3: not ingenius to figure it out. You have to figure
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  Speaker 3: out and then you have to execute it right. So
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  Speaker 3: some teams can't execute it once they figure it out.
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  Speaker 3: But against the better teams, Like I'm like, Utah's gonna
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  Speaker 3: play Texas Tech, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: I love the rhinout package.
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  Speaker 3: Utah's playing, you know, North South Tech State was great,
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  Speaker 3: It's awesome, you know what I mean? Like, I just
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  Speaker 3: think that against the better teams of those things.
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  Speaker 2: Don't work as well.
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  Speaker 4: Jack Kletto, Jack Letto, there we go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you can always cut on Jeff to bring
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  Speaker 1: up obscure references, but it's a very specific memory for football.
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  Speaker 4: You've got there, pal, I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I do have that.
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  Speaker 3: And and trips my friends don't go on as I
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  Speaker 3: remember those pretty well.
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna save that to the end.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff's fortieth birthday was this weekend. I was fortunate enough
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  Speaker 1: to be on the short list of invites. My plan
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  Speaker 1: was to fly Sunday morning, leave here Salt Lake City,
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  Speaker 1: go to the party, fly back. I was going to
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  Speaker 1: be gone from like eight am to eight pm on
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  Speaker 1: a Sunday, all right. I got clearance from the wife. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you never see Jeff go. I'm like, perfect, this is great.
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  Speaker 1: I get to the and by the way, the party
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  Speaker 1: was starting at one thirty pm Jeff's time, So like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm landing at one pm and I have half an
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  Speaker 1: hour to get there, and then I'm flying back again.
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  Speaker 4: It's a small window of opportunity. I had people all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I get to the airport, it's a beautiful, hot
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  Speaker 1: day in Salt Lake City. I'm just like, there's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna be any issues here. And I get to the
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  Speaker 1: airport and they're just like, oh, yeah, there was a cancelation,
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  Speaker 1: so our inbound flight is changed, and that means that
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: you're now gonna take off. Instead of taking off at
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: like eight am Salt Lake time, you're gonna take off
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: at ten thirty and you're gonna get there at three thirty.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, the party's gonna be over by then.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: So I unfortunately had to text Jeff's wife, who organized
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: this whole thing, who all of us are very terrified of.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm really sorry, I was all my plans
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: have been foiled here, and she was very nice about it,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: much to my relief, and then I felt that was
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: okay to text Jeff and say, hey, sorry, I can't
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: make it.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: You weren't the only person who was like I'm scared
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: of telling your wife wasn't gonna make it.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I think I think you Dan Lynch.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Another body in mine were like, I just just I
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: hope Mary doesn't hate me.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Well I was.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I was worried because I'm gonna see Jeff in Charlotte
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Ward and I'm gonna see his wife, and I'm just like,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want her to come in hot and like
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: stab me or something.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Because it's the birthday.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: She's delaying like a day. I think we're delaying a
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: day of going to the beach to go.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: She said that, yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: She also told me that as you told me. She
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: told me that she has her outfit picked out already
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: for the fights.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I don't get her, but that's sure. I'm so excited
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: for it. She's like, has this outfit picked out? I'm like,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: you know, it's like the PFL. It's not like you know,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: it's it's and she's can't She's so like, dude, VI
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: got VIP last time?
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Are your friends coming again?
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Because your friends were very helpful to learning about the
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: fight world.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: No I invited them. They said they don't want to
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: have to sit by you again, So I don't know
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: who they.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I forget their names.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I'm bad with names, but like, they were very nice
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: people and they were very helpful their listener. Now, thank
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: you very much. I appreciate your help. I learned a
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: lot about about UFC. They would have helped me with
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Connor McGregor's knee. Yeah, how disappointed was. I was at
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: a cigar lounge on Saturday night in Dallas and we
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: were like kind of just hanging out and talking and
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: everyone someone's like, oh, oh oh the fight song. Put
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: it on, and I looked at my phone. I was like, no,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: it's actually already over. Don't worry about it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: It's terrible. It was terrible.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: It was a and it's wild because like it was
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: five years coming, like like a five year layoff for
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: him and at least a year for some people, much longer,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: but at least a year of anticipation for a lot
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: of fans that thought like he actually might get back
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: to it. And it lasted sixty nine seconds. It's an
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: unforgiving sport.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Do you think he was hurt before the fight?
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: I think that there was something.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was like fully blown out before
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the fight, but I think there was obviously something wrong
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Before the fight. It was weakend.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: It was compromised in some way, you know, the way
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: that he was walking in the warm up kind of situation.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: So but you know, during the actual footage of him
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: hitting pads backstage, he was throwing that kick and he
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: was landing on that foot and it seemed like he
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: had it figured out. So who knows, man, I don't
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: think we're ever going to get a clear answer because
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: if he ever even indicates, hey, I was you know,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I was messed up going in, there's gonna be lawsuits
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: and all the crazy stuff. Because the betting, like the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: sports books just cleaned up in that one, because it
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: was like seventy five percent of the bets came in
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: on him fight day.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. I don't know why you would
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: wager on him. That seems just so silly.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it seems really dumb.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Anyone in the fight world could have told you don't
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: do that, but a lot of people were doing it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Jef Schwartz is our guest here talking really whatever we want,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: because that's how we do things. Twenty six minutes in England,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Argentina is still zero zero, should we You mentioned Texas
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Tech earlier and Obviously, there was a lot of conversation
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: about them, I think twelve media days last week, and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you know, they're over under in one sports book i've seen,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: it's eleven and a half. Others are ten and a half.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And they lost a lot last year. I mean they
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: lost a lot. They lost a lot to this offseason.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: They're projected starter and Brendan Soresby with that whole thing,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and still people look at Texas Tech and that's supposed
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: to be the class of the conference.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Now I'm torn on this.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Jeff, because yes, obviously their resources have helped them with
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: an incredible roster, and their coaching staff I think has
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: done a great job, or at least they did a
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: great job last year of getting kind of mercenaries all
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: on the same page and they looked like a great team.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: This is not a blue blood who every single year,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you know, finds.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: A way to win no matter what.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: We've had one year of great success for Texas Tech
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: football and now everyone's just like, Yep, it's gonna be
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: this way every year. And I'm not fully convinced of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that yet. Where do you stand on it?
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I think you're right, John, Like they lost the second
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: pick in the draft, David Bailey, they lost real height,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: right height, They lost Lee Hunter, Like, they lost three
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: legitimate NFL defensive linemen. Do they replace it with three
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: NFL defensivelignment again?
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Well, they lost They think they've got a couple at least.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: They lost Jackie Rodriguez, who I bet on to win
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year for the Dolphins. Who if you
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: watch that defense last year, like just incredible, incredible play, Like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: oh oh man, I replace those guys, especially your point,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: like not a pipeline of young players to fill those roles.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: They are as good right now.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Uh, I'd be hesitant to crown them like a playoff team.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Again, is Will Hammond even? Is he healthy yet? Too?
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: They they're they're painting a positive picture now, and I
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: wonder how much of that is Like the people here
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City are very gun shy about being like, oh,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: surgically repaired knee and you're in your quarterback coming back
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: week one.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Ready to go.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're pretty we're pretty reluctant to assume that's going
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to be, you know, perfect for any team. And I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: wonder how much of that messaging for Texas Tech is
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: just you know smoke signals like we don't want to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: let people know that we might not have him till
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: week four. But I mean that's the gamesmanship coaches play.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Let's say they get him in week four. I mean
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: they should be three and zero without him. Yeah, they
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: get to week four, but you know they have a
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: relatively friendly schedule as well. I just am I'm not
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: yet convinced, Like we don't have this track record, The
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: coaching staff doesn't have a great track record, the university
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a great track record of continued sustained success,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and we're all prisoners of these moments. And that's fine,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: But I'm not quite as high on them as everyone
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: else is.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I think it's fair of some senses because they haven't
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: proven a year over year, or they had one year
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: last year, and they lose a lot of that talent
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: about that defense, which was their call and coach. I
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: think it's it's fair to be skeptical about Texas Tech.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I feel the same way. I kind of want to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: see what it looks like with different pieces on defense.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: What about nationally?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Should we also assume, Hey, Indiana is going to be
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: a top team again, Miami's going to be a top
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: team again.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Miami's better quarterback. They lose some defensive lineman, lose
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: an offensive lineman in the first round, but they've recruited
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: so well. This is why high school recruiting is so important, right,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: because they're gonna lose these guys, I just replace them
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: with other blue chip type talent.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: They might not be as good immediately, but they have
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: guys they feel colorable. Darren ments is incredible, and Tony
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: and Fletcher's back at running back. I think Indiana won't
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: be as good. I was talking with a buddy about
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: this past weekd at mastermized, like, they just you make
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: your own breaks, you do. But they everything went their
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: way last year, right, It's just not gonna happen this
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: in the same way probably this season.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if they're as good as
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: a team.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: They lost a lot of those veteran players that know
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Signetti very well from the GMU days, and so you
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: know they're gonna have the same you know, talent. I
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: don't know, but I think Miami is is a playoff
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: team certainly. I think Indiana probably is a playoff team
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: with twelve teams. I think the other day is really good.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I mean Organ's good. Any Texas is good. I think
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I think those are sort of the Ohio state. It's
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: gonna be good. So the top of of the of
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the country with uh with the players and talents.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Five years of eligibility to play five years.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll be already players that expired this last season,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: this last academic year are saying, oh, well, give me
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: another year.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Then if we're gonna adopt this, let's do this, Like.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's but you have to have like
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: start somewhere, like you can't just this. Think about like
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: when people like wrapped rapedro actively want to give like
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: awards or like I just.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Sorry, you just have your out of luck. I don't know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Let's tell you, man, you got somebody from me who
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: blew my red shirt to play eighty snaps Like, I
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: it's unfortunate, But what does everyone get to continue to play?
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: We just go back and dig an extra.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Year now, I sort an extra year about.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: The rule has change, like this is what the rule
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: is now, you have to accept it. Sorry, you kind
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: of got screwed.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think I do think that that's like
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the only way to solve it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: But you know the lawyers.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Callous like me in charge Meredith, a marathon charge.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Somebody somebody who just has no emotional context to any
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: decision is the right person. It's there's like AI that's
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: cold and calculating, and then one slight level above that
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: is you.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why my wife's even worse. They called the
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: called the terminator at work. Just fires everyone. Bring her
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: so current colleg FOOTBA pretty quickly.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: It's perfect on the NFL front.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: More more smoke around the Aaron donald coming out of
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: retirement situation, apparently discussions about how many games he would
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: have to play.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Uh, this is happening, right, We're getting Aaron Donald I.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Said this, I said this. When When the when?
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: When?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Miles Garrett I tweet out like Doll's coming back for sure?
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: How do you know, Schwartz, I just know football man. Yeah, dude,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: dude's gonna dude probably can't wait to come back.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: He's he can come back a week eight.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: He'll probably come back sooner in that but he gits
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: my Miles Garrett I, Actually, here's a good experiment for you.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Just if you have free time, you want to do this.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: When is the last defensive line to have two Hall
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: of Famers starting on the at the same time together
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: like high impact, like not like t J. Watt and
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Cam Hayward, which I don't know Cam's a Hall of Famer,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: but t J. Watt should be. But like there's like never,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: like almost never since like the the you know, Purple Eaters,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: like they did, maybe some old Steelers teams like this.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: It's just not it's not. The NFL is very rarely
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: do you have two Hall of Fame pass rushers on
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: the same team at the same time.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: So you're an offensive line coach or an offensive lineman
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: who has got to scheme up.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: That good look, you block that front. Yeah, you go
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: empty and you throw the ball as soon as you can. Okay,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: what you do do the choice that that's your choice.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: You to throw the ball as soon as possible. The
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: team and the Rams know that too.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: By the way, it's not like a like even State
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: secrets away like that.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: That's what I would do.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I just go five wide and just design office and
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: spread everyone out and hope you get the ball out quickly.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Does Dwight Freenie and Robert Mathis count for two Hall
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: of Famers?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I don't think Mathis could be a Hall of Famer, though,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: is he?
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know. You tell me that.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: That's probably the closest one that we have. I don't
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: know if Mathis will make the Hall of Fame. Probably not.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: He only made one All Pro team. Guys that one
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty three sacks. Jeez, maybe you will.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Not for pass rushing purposes. But is is hello? T
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: he going to be a Hall of Famer in the NFL?
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I actually discussion with my day my call dreamate was
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: playing defense on the Oregon was you know, with me
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: in Dallas, and it was a debate about Hellodiss just
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: he just didn't have the stats. I know it's that's
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: maybe too simple, but he just didn't you know, he
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: didn't rush the passer like that wasn't what he did
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: in Baltimore wasn't his job. And so when you don't
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: have that as your job, it's hard just to make.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think we have one defensive tackle who's like
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: a run stuffer as a as a Hall of Fame.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we do. Someone will pull up Bay nineteen
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: fifty three. We had well, like I don't care like
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: it just.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Now Yeau he played with like Terrell Suggs, those.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah Sugs and yeah he would be Yeah. I don't
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: think Holoda's gonna be Hall of Famer though. I mean
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: you've mentioned really good defensive lines. They just don't sure,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: you know, like all that Smith and Justin Smith, I
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: think neither making the Hall of Fame like they were together.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: They were like an incredible group of pass rushers.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I mean there's teams that have had good pass rushers
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: like Jared Allen and Kevin Williams with the Vikings, like
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: teams have done it. But two Hall of famers at
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: this caliber, not in modern history.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, you don't.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: You don't have to sell me on it is going
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: to be like appointment television every time. I'm very curious
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to see how other teams attacking it. I think your
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: answer is probably the right one, where you're just like
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: get rid of the ball.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Now you just have to go. You just have to
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: be really really quick.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, MESSI is good, dude, it's soccer.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Breaking news. Jeff Schwartz on ESPN seven hundred. Messy good
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: at soccer. He just he just broke broke the.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: News, all right, first yellow of the game here, we
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: go getting tossed from this game.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I have a feeling.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna This is the kind of soccer I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: need to keep me engaged. All right, this this is
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: what I want. Like, yep, push each other, Somebody throw
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a punch, let's go.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: My question is, if England goes hard at Messy in
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like a dirty way, does Argentina have in an force
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: her to retaliate?
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Someone probably, do you though?
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, because soccer, I don't know.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know they're players.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: That's neither do I, Jeff. That's why.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Well, here's here's why. Here's why you can't.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Because you can't afford a red card, like you can
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: afford a player to foul out or technical foul. If
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: you're like a backup on a basketball team, you can't
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: get a red card because then you're out the player, right,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: You're out the player for the rest of the game.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: So I would say, no, yeah, you're probably right. Yeah,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: all right, I got a phone call, buddy. All right, dude,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: thanks for jumping on. Appreciate you.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Bye bye.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz he's a football expert, former NFL player,