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Congressman Massie joined Brian Thomas this morning · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: And eight o five here at fifty five krc DE
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  Speaker 1: Talk station. Fund Thomas wishing every one a very happy
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday and always extra special happy smile on my face
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  Speaker 1: to welcome back to the fifty five Karsee Morning Show,
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  Speaker 1: Congressman Thomas Massey, Congress and Massy. Great having you back
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  Speaker 1: on the show, my friend, Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, good to be on.
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  Speaker 1: It's a shame we don't anything to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's uh, I'm glad I'm talking to you
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  Speaker 2: because I don't have a busy day. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: we have Pam Bondi in the Judiciary Committee all day today.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that is true. Maybe we'll get to that, but
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  Speaker 1: let's first talk about widely circulated on social media. Your
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  Speaker 1: situation went down to the Oldham kind of Republican Party
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln Day dinner where you had your microphone taken away.
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  Speaker 1: Congresson Massei, my understanding is you're merely trying to defend
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  Speaker 1: your wife against an outright fake attack by Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: What is this all about, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when they snatched my mic, I'm calling it snatchgate,
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  Speaker 2: and we were actually raised sixty thousand dollars off of
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  Speaker 2: Snatchkate were so agasted that they would grab my microphone
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  Speaker 2: off the podium while I was speaking. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: the story and then there's the backstory. The story is
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  Speaker 2: I ran a little bit over time. It's true, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm the congressman for the district and I
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  Speaker 2: thought they wanted a little bit of legislative update. They
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  Speaker 2: gave me five minutes. I took eight, and they said
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  Speaker 2: that's it and grabbed the mic. And I was defending
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  Speaker 2: my wife. Donald Trump's attacked her twice on social media.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's beyond the pale. But you know, normally
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  Speaker 2: I don't respond to something sort of inappropriate that the
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  Speaker 2: president does. The thing is, my opponent in my election
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  Speaker 2: reposted Donald Trump's post. So now he's bringing this back
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  Speaker 2: to Kentucky, and the question for him is does he
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  Speaker 2: support people attacking spouses and elections In any case, I
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  Speaker 2: think the backstory here is that we have liberty candidates
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  Speaker 2: in the state legislature that I helped get elected, and
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  Speaker 2: they've kept their word. The Speaker of the House in Kentucky,
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  Speaker 2: he was a little bit upset that he lost four
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  Speaker 2: chairmen of committees in Kentucky's fourth district alone in primaries.
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  Speaker 2: Republicans went down to liberty Republicans, and so I think
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  Speaker 2: that animosity is what spurred him to grab my microphone,
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  Speaker 2: because the MC was in fact to Speaker of the
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  Speaker 2: House of Kentucky State Legislature.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, I understand time limits, but I think your
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  Speaker 1: point is well taken. You're the elected official, and you
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  Speaker 1: did have things to say about what's going on in
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  Speaker 1: the world, and you are entitled to defend your wife.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't know how the bar has been
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  Speaker 1: lowered so much President of the United States of America
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  Speaker 1: going after your wife. Your wife's not running for office, sir.
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  Speaker 1: And he didn't describe her in any way, shape or
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  Speaker 1: form that was accurate.
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  Speaker 2: No, he called her a flaming lefty liberal, which is hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: When Donald Trump was given to Hillary Clinton and when
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  Speaker 2: my opponent was giving to Lindsay Graham, my wife was
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  Speaker 2: working for Ron Paul Rand Paul campaign for Liberty National
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  Speaker 2: Right to Work. She's in the right wing conspiracy. She's
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  Speaker 2: the furthest thing you can get from a lefty liberal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my understanding as well. Pivoting over to the
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  Speaker 1: comment you made earlier on about what's going on today
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  Speaker 1: with Pam BONDI, can you lighten my listeners about what
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  Speaker 1: that is all about?
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  Speaker 2: Congressome MESSI, Well, this is very important hearing today. Normally
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  Speaker 2: the Attorney General comes once a year to the Judiciary
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  Speaker 2: Committee that I serve on and regardless of whether they
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  Speaker 2: want to or not. But it's been well over a
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  Speaker 2: year and we haven't seen Pam Bondy. Now that's partially
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  Speaker 2: due to a shutdown that happened last fall. She was
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  Speaker 2: scheduled to come in and speak to us last fall.
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  Speaker 2: But today I expect there's going to be some fireworks
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  Speaker 2: because this is going to be in the context of
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things going on. For instance, I know
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  Speaker 2: immigration issues which faul partly under the Attorney General, and
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  Speaker 2: then also a little bill called the Epstein Files Transparency
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  Speaker 2: Act that I got past that has caused the release
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  Speaker 2: of millions of files, but also inappropriate reactions which I
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  Speaker 2: discovered on earthed and got some of them corrected this
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  Speaker 2: week by the Deputy Attorney General. We can talk about
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  Speaker 2: that too, So I'll have some questions for the Attorney General.
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  Speaker 2: Each of us gets five minutes to question her, and
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  Speaker 2: if I have any voice left, which you can tell
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  Speaker 2: Isy I'm about to lose it this week. If I
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  Speaker 2: have any voice left, I'll be asking some very pointed questions.
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  Speaker 1: Well and legitimately. So those reactions were limited in scope.
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  Speaker 1: My understanding was only reactions were to prevent victims from
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  Speaker 1: being having their names revealed. But it shouldn't react like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, members of government or whoever else is in
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  Speaker 1: the documents, or am I misremembering what I've read about that.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're correct. And so they released approximately three million documents.
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  Speaker 2: They took a lot of them back down and have
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  Speaker 2: them put them back up, and then they allowed us
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  Speaker 2: members of Congress to go to the DOJ and look
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  Speaker 2: at unredacted documents literally sitting there on a computer. You
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  Speaker 2: can click a button and the redactions disappear. What I
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  Speaker 2: discovered is that they had reacted an FBI file that
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  Speaker 2: lists co conspirators. They're labeled as co conspirators in twenty
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  Speaker 2: nineteen by the FBI in a child sex trafficking case
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  Speaker 2: against Jeffrey Epstein. And you know some of them are women,
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  Speaker 2: then you might say, okay, well, there may be a
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  Speaker 2: fuzzy line between victim and coke if it's a woman.
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  Speaker 2: But one of them was a billionaire CEO that I
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  Speaker 2: recognized from the news, and I went out of this
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  Speaker 2: area where you can view these files, and I said,
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  Speaker 2: they need to release this name. They're not allowed to
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  Speaker 2: redact co conspirators, And within a few hours the DOJ
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  Speaker 2: complied and we found out it's Les Wexner, who was
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  Speaker 2: the former CEO of Victoria's Secret and he had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of business dealings with Jeffrey Epstein. And so one
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  Speaker 2: of the questions I have is what was the decision
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  Speaker 2: process for not bringing charges against Les Wexner if he
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  Speaker 2: was listed as a co conspirator by the FBI in
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  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen when Jeffrey Epstein died or disappeared, whatever you
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  Speaker 2: think happened to Jeffrey Epstein. All I did a poll online.
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  Speaker 2: Only three percent of the over one hundred thousand people
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  Speaker 2: responded thinks that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. But that's a
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  Speaker 2: different it is. The main thing here is we had
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  Speaker 2: cash Fatel in front of our committee, Judiciary Committee, and
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  Speaker 2: he testified in the Senate, the Senator Kennedy, that there
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  Speaker 2: was no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein did any sex trafficking
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  Speaker 2: of minors. And then he came over the house and
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  Speaker 2: told me the same thing in hearing. So the question
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  Speaker 2: is did he perjurer himself because here we've got a
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  Speaker 2: document that says they glued they were co conspirators.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, have you come up with any any explanation for
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  Speaker 1: the subterfuge which seems to be going on in connection
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  Speaker 1: with documents? I mean, you've got millions of documents. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: there are others that have inappropriate reactions in them along
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  Speaker 1: the lines of what you were just saying. I mean
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  Speaker 1: for you to have to go into that private room
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  Speaker 1: and unredact them and look at them for one individual
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  Speaker 1: congressman who actually cares about the truth, that's going to
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  Speaker 1: take you while isn't a commersome Massey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's millions of documents. I've I spent two hours.
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  Speaker 2: I looked at forty documents. I found three of them
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  Speaker 2: that were inappropriately redacted. I went public with it, and
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  Speaker 2: with hours, within hours, the FBI acknowledged what I had
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  Speaker 2: found and also publicly admitted or unredacted what was in
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  Speaker 2: this file. So, for instance, there's an email in the
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  Speaker 2: Epstein files where Epstein says, thanks for the torture video.
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  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. Yeah, Well, the question is who
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  Speaker 2: sent that because the FBI or dj had redacted the
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  Speaker 2: email address, because they're here's there, they're making the defense
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  Speaker 2: that they, by law, they have to redact personally identifiable information. Well,
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing in our law that says redact personally identical
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  Speaker 2: information of people who send Jeffrey Epstein torture porn, and
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  Speaker 2: our law says for victims. Well, this clearly wasn't a victim.
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  Speaker 2: So I unredacted the email address. I looked at it,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't recognize it immediately, but I threw it back
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  Speaker 2: into the DOJ computer and searched the Epstein posse for
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  Speaker 2: that email address, and it shows up dozens and dozens
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  Speaker 2: of times, and it belongs to a billionaire and the
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  Speaker 2: United Arab Emirates who's first name is Sultan. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if that's a title first name, but so I
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  Speaker 2: released that name too. So now we know who sent
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  Speaker 2: the torture video to Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: But you mentioned the law, this isn't There's an underlying
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  Speaker 1: law that was passed by bipartisan port to support overwhelmingly
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  Speaker 1: which obligated to produce these documents unredacted, with certain notable exceptions.
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  Speaker 1: They have not complied with the law. What recourse is
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  Speaker 1: there other than two individually identify erroneously redacted documents, one
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  Speaker 1: at a time, and have them unredact them. Congressom Massey,
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  Speaker 1: before you get through the recourse was talk about the
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  Speaker 1: other ways they're violating the law.
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  Speaker 2: So sometimes on the computer I would hit unredact and
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  Speaker 2: the big black redaction that redacts the whole page would
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  Speaker 2: go away, and there would be a page that's ninety
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  Speaker 2: percent reacted with white boxes instead.
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  Speaker 1: Of black boxes sub reaction.
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  Speaker 2: Or sometimes you hit unredact and none of the redactions
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  Speaker 2: come off. And we asked the DOJ, why are these files?
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  Speaker 2: Why can't we unredact them. They're like, well, this is
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  Speaker 2: the condition in which we receive the files. Well, the
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  Speaker 2: thing is, in other words, they received redacted files. But
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  Speaker 2: here's the problem. The law that Rokana and I wrote
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  Speaker 2: says that the FBI, the US Attorneys, and the DOJ
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  Speaker 2: have to produce these documents, and the DOJ, specifically the
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  Speaker 2: Attorney General is responsible for publishing them publishing them. So
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  Speaker 2: if the Attorney General got this material from the FBI
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  Speaker 2: or the US Attorneys already redacted, then the FBI and
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  Speaker 2: the US attorneys are not complying with the law. Right
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  Speaker 2: she needs to go back and get those. And finally,
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  Speaker 2: there's still documents we know exist, like some of the
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  Speaker 2: three or two forms, which are the forms that the
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  Speaker 2: FBI fills out after the interview victims. Some of those
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  Speaker 2: are still missing. So they've got a lot more work
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  Speaker 2: to do. What is the recourse well, and to ask
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  Speaker 2: Pam Bondi some questions today in the hearing, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to find out.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you will. Congressman Thomas Messi will take a
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  Speaker 1: quick break here will continue more on Epstein files. Trump
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  Speaker 1: apparently calling you the talk station nineteen couple of lead
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  Speaker 1: Tan a huge fan of my current guest, Congressman Thomas Messi.
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  Speaker 1: He'll be on next. In the meantime, sticking with the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein files generally speaking, Congressman Messy, notwithstanding the challenges you
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  Speaker 1: were obviously facing, hopefully those will go the way of
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  Speaker 1: the DODO and we'll get to see everything we're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to see based upon the current state of the law.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything in there that really blew your mind?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, something that you have seen that my listening
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  Speaker 1: audience might be curious about a lot of rumors and
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  Speaker 1: swirling about I know he bought, you know, hydrochloric acid,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know what to make about that, But
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  Speaker 1: anything in there that with substance that like, Okay, here's
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  Speaker 1: what we were thinking, or this confirms what we're thinking,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe just the absence of any prosecutions that came
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  Speaker 1: about with that's obviously a takeaway we can have from
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  Speaker 1: what actually happened out in the world. Congressman Massey, Well,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, if you're watching Fox News, this isn't
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  Speaker 1: even happening.
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  Speaker 2: Like the you know, mainstream conservative media is totally ignoring this.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to go on Facebook, or you've got to
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  Speaker 2: go on x or Instagram to even see anything halfway
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  Speaker 2: truthful about what's going down with the Epstein files. Three
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  Speaker 2: members of government in Great Britain are now no longer
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  Speaker 2: in government, the thing's willing to prosecute his brother now,
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  Speaker 2: the princess in Norway is probably no longer eligible to
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  Speaker 2: be a queen. And in the UN the United States,
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  Speaker 2: there's still been zero, zero accountability for repercussions for what's
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  Speaker 2: come out, and one of the biggest things we've learned
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  Speaker 2: in there is that Howard Lutnik is a straight up liar.
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  Speaker 2: He went and said just a few months ago that
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  Speaker 2: he met Epstein in two thousand and five, he was
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  Speaker 2: disgusted by him, thought he was a pervert, and said
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  Speaker 2: he would have nothing to do with him ever again,
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  Speaker 2: and never did. But what we found out in the
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  Speaker 2: files is Epstein took his family on vacation to I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: Lutnick took his family on vacation to Epstein's island and
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  Speaker 2: saw and had lunch with Jeffrey Epstein and his kids,
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  Speaker 2: and his nanny and his wife. And if that's not enough,
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  Speaker 2: they were in business together, they shared phone calls together.
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  Speaker 2: And so now yesterday in front of the Senate hearing Lutnick.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Howard Lutnik is your Commerce secretary. He's
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  Speaker 2: a billionaire who associated with Epstein but lied to us
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  Speaker 2: until these files came out, and said that he didn't
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  Speaker 2: you see him in the videos standing behind Trump when
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  Speaker 2: he's getting on the plane, when he's getting on the helicopter. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: I think Latini should resign. I don't trust him if
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna lie about the Epstein stuff so blatantly and
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  Speaker 2: then get caught for it. He should resign. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have our confidence. And he was called out in the
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  Speaker 2: Senate hearing yesterday where he admitted that he had been
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  Speaker 2: to Epstein's island, but only he said, when the files
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  Speaker 2: came out, I did what everybody else did. I put
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  Speaker 2: my name in there and searched for it. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't remember anything that's not in those files. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: nothing he could get caught for. Will he admit to
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  Speaker 2: unless he can get caught for it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mentioned the subterviews earlier. Is it just the
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  Speaker 1: simple quantity of very powerful people around this planet that
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  Speaker 1: had all these tight close ties with Epstein? Was it
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  Speaker 1: the fear of all the dominoes fallowing? Is I've been
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  Speaker 1: referring it to you mentioned that, you know, the the
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  Speaker 1: foreign leaders have lost their positions, been fired or being
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  Speaker 1: pressured to leave because of their ties with Epstein. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: part of me wants to know how in the hell
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  Speaker 1: all of these powerful people got connected with Epstein, unless,
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  Speaker 1: of course, it involves child molestation. But I'm just looking
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  Speaker 1: for a reason why we've gone so long without seeing
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  Speaker 1: these documents before Congressman MESSI.
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  Speaker 2: Because these are the most powerful people on.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the answer.
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  Speaker 2: They're they're they're not only billionaires, they're in government, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're in movies, they're they're very powerful people, and they
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of influence. And I say this is
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  Speaker 2: bigger than Watergate and bigger than Iron Contra. Because this scandal,
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  Speaker 2: we've just scratched the top of it, and it spans
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  Speaker 2: four administrations and even more attorneys general over the past
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  Speaker 2: couple of decades. It's a big scandal. And anybody who
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  Speaker 2: says it's no big deal is those are people you
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  Speaker 2: should not trust.
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  Speaker 1: Well, fair enough and thankfully Congressman asks who we have
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  Speaker 1: you to get to the bottom of it may take
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  Speaker 1: a while, but I know you will. You've been on
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  Speaker 1: this track for a long time. Real quick here before
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  Speaker 1: we part company. The tariff vote, I guess members of
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  Speaker 1: Congress maybe trying to undo Donald Trump's tariffs. I know
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  Speaker 1: you made what some are characterizing as a controversial vote,
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  Speaker 1: but considering the procedural situation, it seemed like I understand
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  Speaker 1: where you were coming from. Are you against the tariffs
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trumps has imposed or was this something to
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  Speaker 1: do with the procedural posture of that piece of legislation.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me said a few things straight. If we
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  Speaker 2: could go back to the way it was the first
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty years of this country and get
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  Speaker 2: rid of the income tax and replace it with tariffs,
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  Speaker 2: I would be seriously interested in that option. Okay, but
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  Speaker 2: what we have now we have tariffs and we have
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  Speaker 2: an income tax. And there's a couple other problems. Because
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  Speaker 2: the tariffs can change any day, depending on what side
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  Speaker 2: of the bed the President gets up on. They don't
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  Speaker 2: really have the incentives that you think they would like.
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  Speaker 2: Factories are not importing new tooling to make things in
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  Speaker 2: the United States instead of overseas, because number one, the
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  Speaker 2: tariffs apply to the new tooling they bring in, and
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  Speaker 2: number two, they might pay a fifty percent tariff on
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  Speaker 2: us let's say a stamping machine that makes fenders for cars,
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  Speaker 2: and then the tariff goes away tomorrow and it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make business sense anymore. So and then finally, the Constitution
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  Speaker 2: is very clear on this. All taxes have to originate
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  Speaker 2: not just in Congress, but in the House of Representatives.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, you may to be sitting there and thinking, oh,
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  Speaker 2: these are tariffs, They're not taxes. We have an income tax,
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  Speaker 2: and then these are tariffs. They're a totally different things.
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  Speaker 2: It's the wrong way of thinking about this because for
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  Speaker 2: the first one hundred and fifty years of our country,
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  Speaker 2: over ninety percent of our taxes were from tariffs. Like
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  Speaker 2: when the Founder said that the House of Representatives is
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  Speaker 2: the one that has to decide whether we have taxes
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  Speaker 2: or not, they were talking about tariffs. And that was
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  Speaker 2: known for the first one hundred and fifty years. So
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  Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventy six it passed a law that
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  Speaker 2: says the president can declare emergency, but when he does,
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  Speaker 2: Congress within fifteen days can undo the emergency. Well, in
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  Speaker 2: order to implement some of these tariffs, the president declared emergencies,
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  Speaker 2: maybe a fentanyl emergency, but then he ends up taxing
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  Speaker 2: farm products because there's a fentanyl emergency. And the Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court's going to rule on this soon enough, I think.
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  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, yesterday you had the Speaker of
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  Speaker 2: the House trying to pass a resolution that said a
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  Speaker 2: day is not a day for the purposes of the
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  Speaker 2: fifteen day clock in the nineteen seventy six law. It's
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  Speaker 2: totally bogus, right, way of not voting on tariffs by
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  Speaker 2: subverting the law and transparency. Whatever you believe about tariffs,
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  Speaker 2: I would hope if you've read the Constitution, you know
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  Speaker 2: that we have to vote on these things. You can't
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  Speaker 2: turn it off the next.
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  Speaker 1: Congressman, Thomas Messi, you stumbled upon judging and a Polatana's
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  Speaker 1: share your concerns about tariffs. Congressome Messi. He still believes
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  Speaker 1: I will be more than happy to do that. You know,
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