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She Wrote the Words on the National Police Memorial — Here's Why | Part 2 · Heroes Behind the Badge

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My daughter Heather got up
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the day that Chris was killed.
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There on the kitchen
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table were two erasers
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that Chris had gotten her
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for her brand new chalkboard.
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So she sat down and
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wrote this thank you letter,
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thanking him for getting them for her.
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And of course he never got the letter.
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He was killed that day.
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And if you fast forward
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maybe four or five years later
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and we're in the car and Heather says,
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mom, you got to listen to this song.
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And she turned it up
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and I'm aging myself.
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It was Mike and the
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mechanics, the living years.
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And the voice came on,
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the verse came on that said,
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I wasn't home that
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morning, my father passed away.
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I didn't get to tell him
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all the things I had to say.
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And so I grabbed her hand and I said,
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well Heather, what would
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you have said to your dad?
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And she said, I would have
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asked him to watch over me.
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I would have asked him
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to love me every day,
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but I would have
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thanked him for my erasers.
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And with that, she started to cry.
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And so I held her hand and we got to
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where we were going.
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But when I got back to the house,
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I called another survivor who knew
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what those moments were like,
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who would talk me through it,
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not pity me, pity is a wasted emotion.
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Just help me be and do
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what I need to for myself
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and my girls and others
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that are going through this.
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And so it's just this
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camaraderie that is based on
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an event that ties
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you together completely.
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That moment in the car with Heather
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happened years after Chris was gone.
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But to understand why it hit so hard,
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we have to go back to
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the day Vivian learned
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exactly how her husband died.
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So Vivian, we've talked
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about Chris quite a bit,
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but we still haven't talked about
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what actually happened to Chris.
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Okay, it was funny.
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At the time I was told
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that nobody could talk to me.
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They were told nobody
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could talk to me about it.
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And then they told me that
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the grand jury had to meet
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before anything could happen.
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I don't know what that was about,
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unless somebody on
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the grand jury thought,
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oh, she was going with
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this guy that shot him
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and they've made this deal
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to get him out of the way
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so that they could continue.
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Now that was what I was
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told was the reason behind it.
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But it was 10 months
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before I got any payment.
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But I mean, right away, like
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they came and picked you up
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and you went to the hospital
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and all that kind of stuff.
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But how soon did you
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know the cause of death
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and the circumstances
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surrounding it and whatnot?
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It was a while before I heard.
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Finally, one of the
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officers from the CERT team
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came over to my house on his
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own and told me how it happened.
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They were training in an abandoned
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building on Capitol Hill.
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The elevators were taken out.
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So when you went up the different levels,
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you would have a set
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of stairs on the left,
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go across the floor
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and have the other stairs
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up to the next floor.
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So it was a kind of a
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zigzag way to get out.
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Well, they had been training on,
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I believe it's the
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third and fourth floors.
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They were doing training if
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there is an active shooter
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in one of the rooms of Congress,
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how do we go in to get him out or her out
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with as little danger to
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the people there as possible?
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And so they were practicing that.
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Well, in the meantime, the one officer
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went up to change his
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clothes and go home,
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where about 20 of them
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stayed on the floor they were on
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and continued talking
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about the scenarios.
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Well, he went up there, he changed,
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he's required to wear his loaded gun
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and he came down the stairs.
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And as he walked the
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cross, he got caught up
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and when they were arguing about the
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different scenarios.
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And so finally Chris said,
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okay, we'll do it one more time
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and you, you and you come in on me.
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And he chose the one
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gentleman that had changed his clothes
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and reloaded and without
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thought he fired the shot.
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And he was also Chris's friend.
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I never had any animosity toward him.
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We're all human.
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We all make mistakes.
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And when officers are
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involved in this kind of incident,
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you know they are shattered
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inside out kind of shattered.
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And I never had any animosity.
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I wished him well.
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I think he finally went on to
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flexi and taught down there.
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And I just, I wish him
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nothing but the best.
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To have that moment inside your head
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is terrible for any person.
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So did he stay on the
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department for a little while
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or how did it all play out?
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Yeah, he stayed on the department
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and eventually he went down to flexi.
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The Florida.
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He was the federal law
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enforcement center in Georgia.
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Georgia.
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Yeah.
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And he taught down there gun safety.
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Can you think of a
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better person to do that?
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Perfect.
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Vivian, the National Law
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Enforcement Officers Memorial,
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you as COPS president
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served on our board of directors
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for three years.
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And it was the years when
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we were actually designing
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this memorial.
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What was it gonna look like?
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What were the elements
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that were gonna be part of it?
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And we got to this
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debate about whether or not
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we should have representational statuary,
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meaning officers in
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uniform on a pedestal,
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maybe three or four of
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them to represent all
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of law enforcement.
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And we realized, my
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goodness, how could we do that?
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There are so many
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different uniforms and ethnicities
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and man and woman.
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And we decided, you know what?
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We need a symbol of law enforcement
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that could represent
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all of law enforcement.
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And it came down to a
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debate between the eagle
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and the lion.
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And Vivian sat at that board meeting.
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I remember it vividly
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and made a compelling case
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for the lions, which we ended up
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selecting, of course.
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After Vivian's commentary,
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there was really no decision to be made.
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It was obvious the lions were our choice.
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But Vivian explained to me the lions.
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You mentioned Narnia,
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which I was not familiar with
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at the time, but it had
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something to do with your girls.
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And I'd love to hear
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maybe that story again,
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if you can recall it.
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Absolutely.
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When the girls were
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younger, they would go to bed
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and I would read them a
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chapter from the Chronicles
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of Narnia.
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And this was about a fantasy world
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where the lion was the king,
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but he always looked after the children
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who were there in Narnia.
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And my girls loved those stories.
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They couldn't wait to go to bed
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so they could hear the next chapter.
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And to me, that really
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spoke of law enforcement.
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I have seen cops, when they think a child
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has been wounded or abused,
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man, you just see the hair goes up.
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They are on high alert.
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They can't stand that
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something evil has happened
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to a child.
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And I thought, what
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better way to draw other people
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to the memorial than to see these lions
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who are constantly on watch.
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Actually, there's a wall
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near the National Archives
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that says eternal
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vigilance is the price of freedom.
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And that's what those lions are doing.
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They are constantly on watch
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and they are constantly looking around,
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making sure nothing
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happens to those young lions.
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You know, that's one of
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the more memorable things
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for me too are the lions.
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And the only quote that I
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can still today remember
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from being at the memorial is your quote,
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right next to the lion.
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And it's, again, that quote is,
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it's not how these officers
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died that made them heroes.
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It's how they lived.
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And I think we'd all like to know
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everybody that's listening.
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Did that just come off the
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top of your head off the cuff?
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Or was that something that you researched
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and thought about?
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How was that inspired?
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Well, it was inspired
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by a lot of departments
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ranking line of duty death.
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If you went down in a blaze of glory,
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you were a hero,
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streets were named after you,
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all that kind of thing.
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But if you died accidentally,
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especially if that ugly
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word liability rears its head,
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it was swept under the
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carpet as soon as possible.
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And to me, it was just
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such an appalling way
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to look at law enforcement.
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An officer gets
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dressed, he goes into work
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and he doesn't say, well,
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I think at three o'clock,
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I'm gonna be at this door
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and I'm going to be shot and killed.
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They don't think that.
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Another officer coming
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into work does not think that,
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oh, you know what?
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Today I'm going to be in
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an accident during a pursuit
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and I'll be killed.
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They don't think that.
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They go, they go out.
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That's what's important, is
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that they're always going out.
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So Vivian, did you labor over those words
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over a period of time
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or did that just pop
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right out of your head?
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It just popped right out of my head.
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It's not how they
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died, it's how they lived.
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That's what needs to be honored.
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And now we have the
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memorial in the museum
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where the memorial
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acknowledges who they were
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and the museum tells us what they did.
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And it's just such a perfect blending
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of two elements of law enforcement.
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One thing, go ahead, Dennis.
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No, I was gonna say, you
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may say the same thing, Craig,
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or we're recording this
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before police week 2026
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and it'll be played back
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before police week, I'm sure.
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Tell us Vivian about the
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importance of police week.
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I remember my first time there, Bill Erfurth
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first took me there,
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introduced me to
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Craig, how many years ago?
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20 some years ago.
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I know what it means to me,
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but I'd like to know what it
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means to you and your family,
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your girls.
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We have come to cherish it.
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It is looking at that
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memorial and saying,
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finally, America has
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acknowledged their heroes
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and it brings us such comfort.
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Every time the girls go, they're gonna
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get over by the lions
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and touch them and do that kind of stuff.
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And our grandchildren
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have been there too.
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And it is just such a
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special place for me.
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I remember my mother had two brothers
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that when served in World War II.
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And after the war, we
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went to every monument
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that was in DC for World War II veterans.
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And man, when we were there,
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we better hadn't bother my mom
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unless we were bleeding or unconscious.
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They were honoring the honorable.
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And it was a miracle both of
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her brothers lived through it.
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One was on the USS California
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when Pearl Harbor was bombed.
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And it was a sacred place.
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And now the memorial has become
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Law Enforcement's hallowed ground.
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And Craig, as the founding
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person here of the memorial
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and the museum and the chairman emeritus,
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I want you to give your speech.
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We try to do this on every episode of
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Heroes Behind the Badge
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but tell our audience
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why they need to show up
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at police week.
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I think there's really two sets of folks
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that we're addressing here.
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Both need to attend police week,
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need to see that memorial,
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need to visit that museum.
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First group of course is
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the law enforcement family.
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That would be the officers who've served
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or are serving and their families.
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They need to understand
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that they are following
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in the footsteps of some of
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the greatest men and women
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that have ever walked
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the face of this earth.
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That they are falling
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and carrying on the service
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of men and women who
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literally laid down their lives
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for their profession
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and for public safety.
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And so I think, and Bill
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has spoken to this many times
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on this podcast about why
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police week is important to him
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as an officer that it
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kind of rejuvenates him,
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makes him realize why
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he became an officer
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in the first place.
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Because some officers get
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hardened by all the filth
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and the depths of depravity
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that they have to deal with
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in law enforcement.
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But you come to police
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week and it's refreshing
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and it's rejuvenating and it's inspiring.
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So that's why I think the
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law enforcement community
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needs to make that trip.
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You visit that museum
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and you see the history
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of your profession and
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how you now proudly wear
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that same badge as
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the officers who served
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two, 300 years ago.
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And you go into that Hall of Remembrance
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and you see the, and hear the
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stories of the men and women
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who have made the ultimate sacrifice.
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So now fast forward.
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You've got the public
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audience, all right?
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If you're a citizen of this nation
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and we call our group
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Citizens Behind the Badge, right?
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These are the majority of Americans,
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vast majority of Americans
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who support law enforcement
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and respect law enforcement.
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But to come to national police week,
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attend that candlelight vigil,
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attend the Peace
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Officers Memorial Day service
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at the FOP and their auxiliary,
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put on every May 15th at the US Capitol.
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You all of a sudden
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understand that the value
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of law enforcement in this country
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and are inspired by the men and women
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who are literally
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willing to put down their lives
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for the safety and protection of others,
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people they don't even know.
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It's incredible to me.
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And this is why I
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wanted that museum built
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more than anything because
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I wanted the fellow citizens
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who hadn't had the chance
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to meet a police officer,
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to meet a survivor,
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to hear their stories,
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to have a sense of what
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it's like to walk in the shoes
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of a police officer and
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understand the dangers they face.
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So all of that is so important to me
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why not only officers and their families,
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but the citizens of this
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nation need to come to Washington
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at some point in their lives.
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During national police week,
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this year it's the week of
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May 10th through the 16th,
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attend the candlelight
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vigil on the national mall
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where 30 to 40,000 people will gather
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and hold candles aloft to
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honor the fallen heroes.
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More than 24,000 of them have their names
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on the national memorial.
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And then they'll go
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away inspired, I think,
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and have such a great appreciation
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for the men and women in law enforcement.
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So to me, that's why it's so important.
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And by the way, when we
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talk about what's different
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between 1984 and today,
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there was really no assembly of law
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enforcement professionals
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and thousands of
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survivors on the west front
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of the US Capitol or at
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the National Law Enforcement
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Memorial or on the mall
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honoring the men and women
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in law enforcement.
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That didn't exist in 1984.
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It was 1982 actually, the FOP did start
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to have a national ceremony in Washington
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to honor National Police Week
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and Peace Officers Memorial Day.
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But those ceremonies were sparse.
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There were no survivors there.
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There were maybe a few
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hundred people today.
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There's 30 to 40,000 people that attend,
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including thousands of the
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surviving family members.
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So night and day, as Vivian said,
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between 1984 and today,
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and all those are
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some of the reasons why.
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Along those lines, I wanna
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ask Vivian before we finish,
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I wanna ask her this question.
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You mentioned two
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organization, one being cops
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and the other, I
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think, being heroes, right?
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Yes.
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I'm very familiar with it.
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My daughter serves in
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central Florida with cops here.
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So I go to all their events.
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I'm a huge supporter.
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But could you let people
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know here, our audience,
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how they can become involved?
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Because apparently both
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organizations get support
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from people who are not just
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survivors from the community.
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I'd love to hear you
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tell us how to get involved.
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Well, Heroes organization,
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they're in the phone book.
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All they need to do is call up and say,
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where can I send a donation?
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What can I do to help?
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And with cops, basically
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the same thing is true.
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We do get some grants
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from the government,
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but there's always need.
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I mean, nobody wants to
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talk about the financial need,
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but it's there
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bringing all these people in
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and having them all in hotels.
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It's a major, major
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event to get this done.
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And so that's one way.
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I know I met a lot of
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people when I've gone up
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to the Memorial where they
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said they're volunteering.
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And so they were there
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handing out brochures
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or answering questions and that is good.
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But you do need to
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get the public involved.
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Absolutely.
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The last decade has been
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horrible for law enforcement.
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Yes, for sure.
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And I know my daughter every year,
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the cops in central Florida does a gala
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and that's open to the public.
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And that is one of their
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major fundraising events.
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And if you want to be
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really, really moved,
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I mean, some of the
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survivors, as you know,
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stand up and tell
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their story right there.
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I mean, in all of its detail.
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And I'll tell you, if
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you can sit through that
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and not have a sense of awe about their
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ability to stand up,
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I'm sure you've done that.
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And that is so impactful.
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I can't say enough to our listeners,
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if you haven't gotten
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involved with cops or heroes, do it.
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They need support, they need
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volunteers, they need money.
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Let's be real, they need money.
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So if you would like to donate
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to one of those
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organizations or both, check it out.
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Yes, absolutely.
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You know, I wanna jump back in.
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We were talking about
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National Police Week,
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which is coming up
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here in May and the events
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and Vivian's talked about
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it, Craig just talked about it.
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I wanna say a little bit
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more because, you know,
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the focus of course on
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Police Week is officers,
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law enforcement officers
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killed in line of duty,
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but it's just so much more than that.
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It's a collective coming
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together of camaraderie
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and an esprit de corps.
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And aside from the
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immensely impressive awe,
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inspiring type of
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events, the candlelight vigil
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and everything that
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else goes on, it's a party.
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It's a party to celebrate life.
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And it's a party to celebrate police
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camaraderie and unity
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and something that
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Vivian hit on about cops
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where you wanna tell
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the story to somebody else
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and they say, I understand and I know.
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Well, now you're with
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like-minded people of cops.
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And let me tell you
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something, the Irish pubs there
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and the bars and the parties,
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they used to have these
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bonfires in the streets.
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I don't know that they do that anymore,
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but I think it's important
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for people that haven't gone.
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Not only are you
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there to honor the fallen,
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you're there to celebrate life.
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Absolutely.
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And celebrate the profession.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Vivian, there was a moment, last question
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and then I have a comment, quick story,
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but there was a moment that
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you related to me years ago.
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If you recall it, you
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were at the memorial
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and there were two
22:31
officers that were visiting.
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It was maybe a weekday,
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not many people there.
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Yes.
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You were at your quote,
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it is not how these officers died,
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they made them heroes,
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it is how they lived.
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And you had to maybe
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explain it to those two officers.
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And when you did it, it
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had quite an impact on them.
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Do you recall that story?
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Yes, I recall that.
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And they, before they
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left, they asked me my name
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and I told them, and this one officer,
23:01
you could actually see
23:02
the color leave his face.
23:03
And he said, you're the one
23:06
that wrote that over there?
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And I said, yes.
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And he said, and I mean,
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tears were coming down.
23:12
He said, you're the one that let me know,
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I don't have to die to be appreciated.
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Wow.
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I'll never forget that.
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And that's so impactful.
23:25
The story I wanted to end with is,
23:28
we talked about Vivian and my first
23:31
encounter with Vivian,
23:32
not being all that positive and loving,
23:36
but we became great friends
23:38
and obviously did a
23:39
lot of good work together
23:41
to build that memorial and
23:42
to help support survivors
23:45
and fallen officers and so forth.
23:48
But I love the end of that story.
23:51
I call it the end,
23:52
we're obviously still
23:53
gonna be lifelong friends,
23:54
but we had just dedicated
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the National Law Enforcement Museum.
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This is October of 2018.
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We first encountered each other in 1985.
24:08
So you do the math, that's
24:09
basically 33 years later.
24:12
We've dedicated the
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museum, I'm walking the street,
24:15
I'm headed to a reception,
24:18
and who do I spot on the street but
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Vivian Eney Cross.
24:23
And I was so thankful,
24:25
it's almost like God said,
24:26
you know what, you all
24:28
deserve a hug at this point
24:30
because you've come full circle.
24:32
Nice, nice story.
24:33
Very, very important moment for me.
24:35
Nice story.
24:36
Absolutely.
24:37
Let me thank you, Vivian.
24:39
Let me thank you on behalf of our heroes
24:41
behind the badge audience
24:44
for sharing all you've shared today.
24:47
You know, we all know that loss
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is unfortunately a part of this job.
24:52
But what we didn't
24:54
know is there are groups,
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there weren't back
24:57
then, but thanks to you,
24:59
there are now groups like
25:01
COPS, the memorial itself,
25:04
and heroes that can
25:05
help someone get through,
25:08
not recover fully,
25:09
but get through the need
25:11
you had to go through.
25:12
So I salute you, you
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know, I look at grief,
25:16
grief can be either a wall or a doorway.
25:20
It's your choice.
25:22
Guess what Vivian chose?
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Vivian chose a doorway, right?
25:26
She had every right,
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after hearing her story today,
25:29
she had every right to
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make it a wall, didn't she?
25:33
She made it a doorway,
25:35
she chose the doorway,
25:36
she walked through the doorway.
25:38
And on behalf of every law
25:40
enforcement officer family,
25:42
I wanna thank you for
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walking through that door.
25:45
It has made a difference.
25:47
You have made a difference.
25:48
Thank you for guesting on
25:50
Heroes Behind the Badge.
25:52
Thank you, it was an honor.
25:54
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