Latest / CrossPolitic Show / Israel, Hamas & the Hypocrisy of the Left (ft. Eyal Yakoby)
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- Hey, I welcome to cross-phalicle on the fight lab feast networks my voices hanging in there. It's Ampest 2025 So good to be here Talk Knox pass or Toby what do you guys think so far of Ampest? Oh, man. It's been a while It's like it's crazy like there's a little bit of everything here and A little bit of everything. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah a little bit of everything. It's it's it's nuts It's it's it's uh but tons of fun 30,000 people this year they had like 5,000 people on the wait list Something pretty is alright impressive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow Five thousand people on the wait list right. I spent most of my time here so no one how they experience I know we've been in our studio Yeah, and this is a all No, you're supposed to let me say this is name. I was trying to I was trying to save you from it I was trying to be polite. What call him earlier? What'd you call him? I called him you all and then I were a couple And then I was like yell That was my favorite one So how do you say your last name Jacobi? I'm sorry. Yeah, good boy There we go. I apologize. I'm just that way. So I forgive it's it's you. It's me So honestly man, I don't I don't know much about you, but um We'll get into some of my interest here in a little bit But we'd love you just kind of tell about yourself what you're doing and all that. Yeah, so any website point people to My name's a all you cove I graduated college from the University of Pennsylvania two years ago In the fall of my senior year The university organized what was called the Palestine rights literature festival right and I What year was that this was fall of 23? Okay. Yeah, around two weeks before October 7th Okay, and before then you know things in classes would kind of bother me with you know this almost communist orthodoxy That was being brewed on college campuses you were surprised by that I guess I guess I was not even it isn't government school and So they organized this conference it was an entire menu of anti-American anti-Semitic anti-Christian terror loving speakers and for me kind of shattered what I considered my my academic sanctuary of somewhere where I go to school and then you have People you know being invited to campus being paid to come to campus better glorifying Hamas has blah. Uh, you know You name it and so I did what anyone who has ever published an article or Given a speech before we do and I published an article in my school newspaper and it basically just called out the conference and Two weeks later October 7th hits Yeah, and in the proceeding two weeks after the conference the Hillel which is like the Jewish organization on campus Someone broke in yelling fuck the Jews. Wow. I don't know if I'm allowed to go. Yeah, you're right Our audience understands the context F Astrak CK bro, they still understand um And uh the khabad which is another Jewish organization was vandalized Um, and so you know you can write off one event is being you know Whatever some lunatek but three and two weeks It starts to become a pattern and so we were dealing with this and then October 7th hits and you know while I was crying I did exactly what the the the Israelis Um another nationalities were doing at the Nova Festival. I was out with my friends on a Friday night I woke up in an Ivy League school. They woke up many of them either dead In gauze and chamas tunnels or you know, we're still trying to escape the chamas terrorists until I was you know like shattered I went on to social media and saw two of my professors post Quote beautiful sites to wake up to this morning wow your images professors professors Wow But did you pay by the way? Yeah, right and and so for me and I think where this goes back that I don't like talking about this in the context of anti-Semitism I like talking about in the context of the past five years that we've seen in this country Well, you were canceled you were harassed you were even attacked if you had conservative views on a college campus If you were professing college campus you would have been fired for saying the most basic conservative principles that 50% of this country believe But you glorify terror you glorify violence you glorify rape right of innocent people by terrorists And suddenly the school turns a blind eye suddenly there's context as that's needed and I think this all culminated if you guys remember The college testimony with a limit about that when you said that yet We're just calling for the genocide of Jews violate the code of conduct and they're a little squirming up there I have to get back to you on that yeah, I don't know if there's a code like okay Let's go back to what you wanted and I insert any other ethnic or racial group right and they all would have been fired and Resigned and disgrace if they gave that answer or people being fired just for saying they were gonna vote for Trump Like it's like barely conservative You know like you didn't have to be conservative for Christian is like we're gonna vote for and then like you get fired and they're considering You know, we're not sure exactly if this is acceptable or not to call for the genocide of a people group That was that was hard. Yeah, absolutely insane. We gave it I got to visit the Nova festival site in August. Yeah, and the memorial there is just really Uh heartbreaking and just you know, just totally you know, we list we heard from one of the survivors. It was actually there So it's and you know saw the town where a number of the terrorists came and attacked just Incredible, but you're absolutely right. I mean You know what How do you get to that place? You know in our in our country where I mean, I mean all the I mean For many years we knew that all the calls like you know All the BLM stuff for example or all the like the we know we call it, you know race hustling You know just the grievance hustling like we we always knew there was like the left doesn't really care about that They care about power and they use that to gin up controversy So that they could come in as the saviors. They you know, they want to come in as the white knights But but it's like but the hypocrisy just seems insane for them to be saying, you know no hate You know, I mean how many football helmets, you know, you know, no no hate yeah, you know, whatever. It's like no racism No bigotry no prejudice all this kind of stuff and then they're like, you know Bunch of Muslims are like, you know, we hate Jews and we want them to all die and they're like well Let's let's hear him out Like how do we get to that point? I think it's that you know, I think there's been the sense of of cowardice in our country that people Will just accept these certain, you know pedagogy that you know certain things are just normal or certain things are just acceptable And what I always go back to is it's the same it's the same people Every single time Tell me tell me who cheered on the murder of Charlie Kirk I'll tell you exactly what side they were on in the Israel Hamas conflict Tell me exactly who you rooted for whether it was a local business owners many of which were black by the way That were burned down during the BLM riots. I'll tell you exactly what side they're on with the Charlie Kirk murder And with israel versus Hamas and and it goes down in the cascades And so I think it's this it's this evil ideology and exactly what you said It's this culture of grievances which is exactly what Charlie Kirk was fighting again, right? inherently, so what do you make of Tucker's recent you know conversation? I mean even the talk last night. I know if you caught it You know, but you know he's Clip it We would seem to be an exception to that claim or he's like he's like not and I'm I'm Charlie's friend You know Can completely condemns the word a friend what a friend say that he stands with Candace Owens as Candace Owens tears the organization that Charlie built the plot yeah, yeah no very very quick question Oh, but but he's also the one saying you know if if one single child is dying in Gaza This you know, I don't know if you'd say this is a genocide. I mean, no, he's just calling it genocide I'm just saying this you know genocide is happening there Israelis you know, he's certainly seemed to say last night. You know, Israelis don't care about kids in Gaza That's anti-Christian. That's immoral That's you know, how does that fit into that schematic where you're saying you know um You can you can cheer on Charlie Kirk. I know where you stand in Israel and Hamas Tucker would seem to be an exception of that I didn't vote there's gonna be exceptions to any you know Like philosophical claim, but I think it does play into the role of you know Show me you know who's attacking Erica Kirk and then tell me what side they're on in the Israel Hamas conflict I think it's a similar you know notion. Maybe it's on celebration of Charlie's murder But it's the celebration of in in in you know Mikey McCoy's and Tyler Balears and Andrew Colvitt's own words more death threats from Kansas owned fans than from Antifa Yeah, I mean that's crazy. Maybe another way to frame this question would be so on the conservative right people like Tucker and others Who like I genuinely think are still generally conservative um, but have begun to question Who's who's right? It is real or Hamas or or something or or questioning the narrative or questioning something Well, and they would even maybe just have more frustration with Israel than anything. Oh, you know why that why that shifting We're like again, I think and the historically conservatives generally were like, you know Israel has the right to exist as a nation Some had wacky theology surrounding it, but it was like you know and terrorists are bad But why that shift on the right you think I think the right currently is developing a culture of grievances And I think it's a reaction to the woke left of you know We went through years as you know a young man in this country I'm 23 years old I saw it in high school. I saw in college that every problem According to the woke left you could pin on the white man. That's that's all that happened It was it was years of of people openly saying like I am anti-white I don't like white culture or saying white people don't have and all the all the problems in the world are your fault You did this and now you know this there's a shift that it's a it's a reactionary thing Which is something that I've been worried about for a while where you have this new Faction of the right and I know that Tucker won't say it When he platforms the people that he has platform and it's not about platforming or de-platforming It's about what is your responsibility as someone with millions of followers who self He describes himself as someone with influence what responsibility do you have to ask the tough questions? Because if you look at Ted the interview with Ted Cruz And you look at the interview let's say the president of the Islamic Republic of Iran Yeah, he went harder on a Christian than an islamist theocrat who enslaves the his own people and and Tucker after the fact admitted He goes yeah, I didn't ask him the tough questions because he wasn't gonna get me on stansers Well, then why'd you platform him in the first place if you're if you're if you know that someone will not be honest during an interview And you don't ask them tough questions. Yeah, you are complicit in the spreading of islamist propaganda on your network So I I greeted bench bureaus criticism of Tucker and Nick Fuentes in that interview Um, I know let me let me state two things here one is Um, I like bin. I'm friends with Tucker. I like him both Um, I also don't think either of them are being that accurate with each other's sides um, and And I also think the funny thing here is I think this conversation needs to happen But I think if you put bin and Tucker on the same stage at the same time it'll be like the worst thing never happened Then most more walk than the Super Bowl it would be more For sure, but I also think my quick take on this is um Ben is not a goofball He he takes himself I think more seriously than he should and Tucker can be very flippant And so you put that chemical equation on the stage over this topic and and bam um But I think this conversation still happened now my problem with bins talk last night Is I agree with Ben you got to have borders you got to find terminology you got to have definition of what concerns Truth matters truth matters all that stuff 100% and I he's very good on on how you approach it um My my issue with Ben and this is a conversation I'd like to have a bin is um And America was um, we Christians defined conservatism in America Ben is not a Christian I think you're orthodox Jew is that I'm secular Jew but secular secular Jew. Oh, okay Um, I don't wear the funny hat. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed that I wasn't gonna Yeah, I get on you. Uh, excuse me. Yeah Where should fun? Are you my you my rabbi? Where is it? You know like like I don't see color. I don't see hats And uh, so bin sitting here in America talking about conservatism And not even using the accurate definition of what conservatism is America is defined by Christ And Ben in order to be he's inconsistent with conservatism America by rejecting Christ And so um, these are just honest discussions. I'd love to have with both Tucker and in a bin But on the point on the point of talker beyond you I don't want to talk about Tucker. Oh, yeah, yeah, this this conversation specifically about me asking you kind of about bin and conservatism and that kind of stuff When modern man looks around he sees himself as one lost on a shoreless sea He's an Adam in the void He doesn't know his right hand from his left And his restless heart is a perpetual factory of idols Into those modern death throws comes the central Christian confession Christ is Lord New Saint Andrews College aims to graduate leaders shaping culture under the lordship of Christ We want to instill in our students a build and fight vision Animated by God's promise to bring the kingdom of Christ from heaven to earth So that the earth is filled with the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea This is a multi-generational spiritual and civilizational construction project and the foundation is the Lordship of Jesus Christ His kingdom is at hand his lordship makes all things new Our lordship course is a year-long freshman colloquium in theology designed to lay that biblical foundation It's a mix of biblical theology systematic theology and practical theology That seeks to instruct the students mind renew their heart and shape their actions Throughout the year we read great books of theology Augustine's confessions and city of God Calvin's institutes Athanasius is on the incarnation and cs. Lewis's mere Christianity and the great divorce We teach students to make careful observations of the biblical text Trace biblical themes across the Bible and understand and represent opposing viewpoints with clarity We don't merely seek to understand the word We aim for our students to do the word Well What what do you uh, I guess maybe what would you take on my criticism of Ben Of him trying to find conservatism without Christ in a country that defined conservatism on the foundation of Christ if that makes sense Well first off Christ was a Jew and The the also died for your sins He did And and so I when you I guess I want to ask what do you mean when the When we were founding the country What do you what do you exactly mean by it was found it was not founded as a christian? Yes, it was found to the separation of church and state That's a Christian doctrine you sound like a liberal of us. Yeah, and I started. Yeah, I do So so say the separation of church and state was a Christian doctrine because we believe there's a governmental A foritative distinction between the civil government and a government authoritative distinction between the church government And so the church is not oversee civil matters and and the government does not oversee church matters There's a governmental distinction there but when you okay So when you look at the founding of this country you'll see that it frequently pulled from the old testament Specifically when you look at the founding fathers when they describe them saying is due to honoring And what on the the liberty balance genesis Genesis I guess how do you grapple with that is that they would pull heavily from the old times because the bible's a Christian document From Genesis to revelation It's a consistent it's it's a Christian Bible So the Jews got the the Old Testament and they got Christ wrong So but the whole narrative is all Christ So the Old Testament all the Old Testament talks about Christ again and again points to Christ again and again So then how do you grapple with I guess the you know the doctrine of freedom of religion in America That is again a Christian doctrine and what it um, but sorry when I when I say like separation of church and state and like You know Really just freedom in America, please I'm in full agreement with you that Christians founded the United States of America And it was Christian theology that was able to make America the greatest nation yeah On the face of this planet in all of human history And so but what you would be arguing by asking these questions is saying the Christian doctrine Doesn't really matter in the sense that it was trying to pave way for all of religions to thrive in America And that's a false statement. I believe in all human beings thriving in America And I think the notion of religious freedom in America allows people from different religions different creeds Tell build this country and make it as what it is today when the Constitutions ratified in 1889 What was it what was the first prayer that was such Finish this let me finish this um nine out of 13 colonies had stated denominations So the issue was over denominations not over the freedom to worship Allah In America that's it so the conversation debate was over hey, we don't want to have a federal denomination Because we're coming from great Britain that had a federal denomination anglican, okay Um, and so america was rejecting That's why the freedom of living religion was so important is because you can be free to serve and be any denomination You want here in america, but it was not talking about freedom to serve all of publicly in the united states If that makes sense if that distinction makes sense I mean that's not true like if you look at George Washington's letter to the Hebrew congregation of Rhode Island He said specifically that you will always be able to bear fruit in this land and live under the famous quote of the vine and fig tree I don't have a problem with Muslims living in this land. I have a problem of public worship of their god in this land What we're talking about. We're talking about you say my jeez. I can't speak to Islam I'm talking about you but I'm saying I don't have a problem with Jews being in the land I have a problem with their public worship of false god in this land. We worship the same god. No, you don't you don't worship the full reveal nature of god We wore it's the Abrahamic religions. We worship the same god You worship the um a incomplete Definition of the fullness of who God is and reveal themself through the scriptures Okay, so so taking it back to the religious freedom aspect. I'm I've been I didn't realize where I'm gonna have a theological No, I wouldn't wear this guy. I'm just a little bit more and and we're gonna cut this off about five minutes So I guess If we're looking at the Constitution and we're looking all all men were created in the image of God We're looking at religious freedom religious tolerance I'm looking at all men are created equal correct agreed So I don't understand where where Where both in the founding father the founding father's documents The what they wrote for instance George Washington Washington's letter to Hebrew congregation of Rhode Island or the fact Then when you're saying the ratification of the Constitution the first prayer that was said was Psalm It was a Psalm from the Old Testament. Amen and at the Psalms were about Christ And I guess I guess from from your perspective. I guess well There's been a plethora of people in the country who are Jewish or not Christian who have served this nation both in uniform But also through creating business through creating jobs and if you're talking about Ben Shapiro Ben Shapiro's biggest advice the young Christian man in this country is not to go to sin gag It's to go to church. Yeah, and I would I would personally argue on the point of you know Ben Shapiro that Something about him being conflicting and in his views of of being Jewish and being conservative is what I'm confused about I personally would argue that Ben Shapiro has gotten more young men to attend church Then most pastors in this country shows the beauty of having a Christian founded constitution It's probably true. You're probably probably right. I know I'm it's a great point And I think I think what Gabe is just getting at is that there has the his as you just noted a minute ago Christianity has you know was Massively significant in the founding of the country Christianity has been massively significant in the thriving of this country Which has also I would agree to some extent that as then allowed for people of other faiths or no faith at all to also thrive in so far as they're willing to kind of Be a part of that Christian culture And I think the point that Gabe is trying to make is just that If that is the conservatism that built this country And really and really blessed this country and blessed many other people who weren't necessarily Christians themselves Don't we need to preserve that center in order to continue to enjoy those blessings? But Jews don't Jews don't positize. We don't try to To convert Christians to Judaism some confused weather and I'm fine with that in America What sorry? I'm fine with that in America. Oh, she's not prostitizing It's one of our core tenets Yeah, so Jews are also fine with it. We don't prostitize anyway But I'm saying I guess in practicalities where where is Like when it's religious freedom when it's you know all manner created equal when it's separation of church and state I'm confused in practicality what exactly you're you're looking for then Like what when when in Ben Shapiro's stuff is inconsistent I mean, I would just say thank you. I would just say I mean he's inconsistent because He's trying to define conservatism apart from Christ And in America Conservatism in America was defined on the foundation of Christ So but you're you so you're using terms like religious freedom and a way that Isaac Christian would not use that term I don't have a problem with Jews and the privacy of their own home here in America worshiping the old testament God I don't have a problem with a Muslim in the confines of their home worshiping their God whatever praying five times They they do whatever they want in the house But because America's a Christian nation but publicly good for you is publicly to emphasize and and You know honor The God that built this nation which is which is on the foundation of Christ and so any conflicting religion that wants to publicly worship publicly like have a mosque or something publicly and You know publicly display their prayers Muslim call to prayer. Yeah, I'm a public prayers stuff like that I'm like that's contrary to American that's contrary to what built this nation so I don't want that I think publicly and So sorry, so so relating it back to because I think this conversation started with the the speech as a Ben Shapiro Yeah, yeah, and and with with with Tucker Carlson of anonymous I'm confused wearing a speech he was you know hypocritical to any of any of the tenants that he said because I'll give you some examples And I know you don't want to talk about Tucker Carlson But I do think it's important in relation to what you're saying about Christianity and and Ben Shapiro being a hypocrite because I would say Tucker Carlson is the biggest hypocrite That while he identifies while he identifies as a Christian and while he's buying a second home in cutter where DeCross is literally banned from being displayed in public while he had on Someone to talk about the persecution of Nigerian Christians It turned out later that that same guy was actually hired by the Nigerian Islamist government to promote propaganda Born Nigeria so when I when I think and I hope you don't take any offense. I don't have a problem I think there's certain criticisms of Tucker that I have said doing personally So I'm I don't think I would say that's a way more glad I would say one person is is is is is Telling young men in America to go to church the other ones having on the president the Islamic Republic of Iran Has interviewed I think Al-Tani the head of Qatar Three times in the past year who's buying a second home in Qatar who had on someone who's a paid agent Of the Nigerian government to downplay the mass slaughter of Christians in Nigeria And it goes back to I think what you were saying earlier is like you know Tucker Carlson wants to talk about a genocide That's happening in Israel more Christians have been murdered in Nigeria in this past year alone Yeah, this past year alone then the two and a half year war with Gaza Yeah, and that and I'm including by President Trump says and it's 48,000 terrorists In in in that so we're talking 65,000 Christians in Nigeria this year alone and we're talking about according to President Trump 20,000 civilians in Gaza in a two and a half year war So I personally would argue that Tucker is more emblematic of something that's anti-Christian the venture bureau So we're gonna wrap this up. This is so I have no problem with you pointing that out And I think there's some legitimacy to what you pointed. I got friends doing ministry in Nigeria right now Who were con who are contradicting that interview with Tucker that he did that Tucker did So I have no problem that conversation my conversation what I was trying to do is focus on your side of the issues with Judaism and Ben Shapiro And I didn't bring up I didn't I didn't answer this conversation bringing up bring up like I was I was coming from this I was coming to this from from like a do it from it. I was a press no no no nothing here So that my conversation was really just trying to focus on the other side of the issue. I've said some of these criticisms Tucker I Didn't have really I've support we've had been on the show We like Ben you know, so all that stuff my I was just trying to have a better person to ask the the Yeah, yeah, he knows he knows he won't represent all this up my point all my point was in this and then we got to wrap up was just like um If Ben is in America trying to define conservatism apart from Christ, then that's just not a good definition One maybe practically you asked for practical stuff a minute ago, and I think one thing I don't know for sure But like the concern I think that would that we would have would be When you start Drifting from orthodox Christianity even with again, I've been defending Ben as an ally To the extent that he wants to uphold Ten Commandments and Torah and things like that. I was like free markets and all the stuff All kinds of things we agree on and so I'm grateful for that But the more you drift from from Christianity you end up with conservatives for example congratulating Dave Rubin yeah, and his his homosexual and what Ben Shapiro did And and how they you know purchased they rented a womb and purchased a baby a boot DJ and the blaze did and a and a bunch of uncertain I don't know if Ben Shapiro personally congratulated them But I would say there's a bunch of conservatives Prager you you know a bunch of them came out and the blaze You know and it's like I'm going back dead So that would be the concern would practically be I think as you drift from Christianity Full orb Christianity Orthodox Christianity Even though I could point to some things in the Old Testament To you know someone who's an orthodox do him be like hey bro, you know God created them male and female Marriages one man one woman you know, I could point them to that but I think But our concern would be As people drift from Christ and from the New Testament in particular we're gonna get far away from it The Old Testament gets blurrier and blurrier And I think then you you start having conservatives so called conservatives say hey, you know There's a there's a booth here gays against groomers, you know, it's like well I don't I think you know, I'm we got to pick up this conversation another time. We got to go. Yeah, good boy Thank you so much for coming on cross-phosphorus You're very good sport I was ambush That's pretty much how our show runs They sat down and you're like yeah, we're so we're Christian at just I thought you were like getting Oh, no, that's no joke. That's real. We're only