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Credlin | 24 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Hey, good on you, Chris Kenny for that lovely story
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Speaker 2: about Stephen. Here is an inspiration. He's got me moving
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Speaker 2: and eating less as well, so that's a good thing.
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Speaker 2: It's fantastic. Good to have your company as always. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up on Kredlin. After years of negotiations, that
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Speaker 2: new trade deal with EU were signed today. Now the
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Speaker 2: government was crowing about it in the Parliament, but I've
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Speaker 2: worked on three of these free trade deals. Devil is
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Speaker 2: in the detail. I fear on this one. It's a
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Speaker 2: bit of a trojan horse from all green European madness.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a moment. The father of
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Speaker 2: one of the icist women spoken out pleading for his
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Speaker 2: daughter's return. He says his daughter was misled and played
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Speaker 2: no role with Islamic state. He says the PM is
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Speaker 2: now responsible to get her home. Well, sorry, dad, how
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Speaker 2: about your responsibility for a child that's signed up to
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Speaker 2: the ideology of radical Islam and terrorism? I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 2: We'll get into that as well. Plus Live to London
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Speaker 2: for the latest on the shocking fire bobbys of a
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Speaker 2: Jewish ambulance service with an Iranian linked terror group claiming
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Speaker 2: responsibility and as the government looks more and more desperate
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Speaker 2: to guarantee the supply of liquid fuels that are relying
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Speaker 2: on our mining export exports, the irony of which astounds.
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Speaker 3: Me Antheolbinezi should be giving a hug to a lump
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Speaker 3: of coal every night, because it's the only way we're
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Speaker 3: going to keep liquid fuels coming to our country by
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Speaker 3: continuing to export the coal and gas to the countries
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Speaker 3: that we rely liquid for liquid fuels on.
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Speaker 2: I'll stay with that because it's relevant to what happened
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Speaker 2: today in Canberra, where the government signed a trade deal
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Speaker 2: with the EU and was crowing about it.
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Speaker 4: This is a significant moment for our nation as we
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Speaker 4: secure an agreement with the world's second largest economy. This
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Speaker 4: agreement is worth ten billion dollars to the Australian economy
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Speaker 4: on an annual basis. Our relationship with Europe is grounded
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Speaker 4: in our shared belief in democratic values, in human rights
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Speaker 4: and in inclusive societies.
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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. Freer trade between like minded nations
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Speaker 2: under the rule of law countries with comparable living standards
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Speaker 2: makes economic sense. But free trade must also be fair
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Speaker 2: trade and not a backdoor way for a trade deal
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Speaker 2: to usurp any domestic policy positions that a country might have.
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Speaker 2: One of the reasons why there were no free trade
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Speaker 2: deals struck under the Rudd and Gillard governments was because
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Speaker 2: the deals that Labour sought were less about trade and
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Speaker 2: more about climate laws and standards for industrial relations and
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Speaker 2: worker rights. When the avent government was elected and signed
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Speaker 2: off three free trade deals in around a year, we
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Speaker 2: kept climate rules out of the negotiation, after all, the
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Speaker 2: UN was already in that space, and we also trusted
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Speaker 2: countries that we were dealing with to set their own
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Speaker 2: standards on worker rights and the environment. As PM, Abbott
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Speaker 2: was focused on getting tariffs down and quotas abolished so
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Speaker 2: that trade volumes would actually increase. Hence it actually did
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Speaker 2: the trade deals with our biggest partners that had been
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Speaker 2: languishing for over a decade, the deals with China, South
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Speaker 2: Korea and Japan, and sure enough our trade volumes increased dramatically. Barton,
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Speaker 2: this is a big butt. Some of the early public
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Speaker 2: service drafts of those free trade deals were diabolical. They
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Speaker 2: gave away more than we got as a country, or worse.
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Speaker 2: Things that Abbitt specifically ruled out, like emissions rules were
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Speaker 2: snuck into the fine print, and so it became a
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Speaker 2: bit of a battle royal between the push to get
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Speaker 2: a deal only if it was a good deal and
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Speaker 2: kept faith with what the coalition had promised at the election,
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Speaker 2: not a way for the back door to be opened
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Speaker 2: to let's say, put back in a carbon tax that
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Speaker 2: the Avid government hadn' just abolished in the parliament. Because
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Speaker 2: that's a big problem with any of these trade deals.
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Speaker 2: Almost no one reads the fine print. I remember when
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Speaker 2: this started in your early days. One of the concerns
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Speaker 2: you had was all these demands from the European nations
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Speaker 2: to basically put back on a carbon tax by stealth,
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Speaker 2: to put all this green policy in it, and of
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Speaker 2: course it gets signed at an executive level and then
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Speaker 2: just ram through the Treaties Committee of the Parliament. Are
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Speaker 2: you concerned about what could be in here?
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Speaker 5: Look, I'm a supporter of free of trade, but I'd
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Speaker 5: be very concerned about any.
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Speaker 2: Deal with the EU.
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Speaker 5: I'd want to look at the fine print, because you're right,
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Speaker 5: who knows what climate capitulation and what climate concessions there
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Speaker 5: might be lurking in the fine print of a deal?
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Speaker 2: Such as this, So I was on guard after that
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Speaker 2: chat with Tony of it last week and at the
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Speaker 2: time of going to air tonight, despite the fact it
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Speaker 2: was signed today and there was a long speech to
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Speaker 2: the Parliament and a celebratory lunch. All there is tonight
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Speaker 2: on the Defact website is a twelve page summary of
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Speaker 2: sorts of this deal. It's a PDF document. It's called
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Speaker 2: Key Outcomes and Benefits. Nowhere else on the Defact website
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Speaker 2: is there a full text of what Albanezi has signed
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Speaker 2: Australia up to. Nor when I looked at the EU
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Speaker 2: website was there a full text there either. The Opposition, well,
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Speaker 2: they haven't even been given a comprehensive briefing of what
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Speaker 2: Australia signed. I'm told that'll happen tomorrow. But already, based
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Speaker 2: on comments today from the agricultural sector alone, the Opposition
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Speaker 2: A raising can indeed this trade agreement is what led
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Speaker 2: off today in question time.
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Speaker 6: The National Farmers Federation is extremely disappointed with the free
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Speaker 6: trade Rioman announced with the European Union today and said
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Speaker 6: Australian farmers and I quote will now pay the price
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Speaker 6: for this subpar EU deal for decades to come. Minister,
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Speaker 6: do you really believe this is a good deal for
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Speaker 6: Australian farmers?
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Speaker 2: Right? Well, I rang around a few people and this
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Speaker 2: is what I'm told. That the Australian deal will largely
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Speaker 2: mirror the EU and New Zealand deal that was struck
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Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty three. And that deal trumpeted the
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Speaker 2: fact that over ninety seven percent of New Zealand exports
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Speaker 2: would ultimately enter the EU duty free, but it also
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Speaker 2: included this quote. It said ambitious provisions to promote sustainable
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Speaker 2: development outcomes, including in such areas as climate action, labor
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Speaker 2: rights and gender quality, would be there. The New Zealand
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Speaker 2: Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Trade their website confirms their
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Speaker 2: trade agreement with Europe, and it says it contains ambitious
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Speaker 2: outcomes on climate action and the Paris Agreement, including making
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Speaker 2: these commitments enforceable in the FTA. The free trade agreement. Now,
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Speaker 2: hang on there, hang on. The Paris Agreement is a
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Speaker 2: non binding, non binding UN document. How does a free
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Speaker 2: trade agreement between two entities turn non binding into binding?
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Speaker 2: That's a concern. Now. In the accompanying fact sheets, the
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Speaker 2: New Zealand Government says that quote for the first time
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Speaker 2: of the YEARU Trade Agreement. The Trade and Sustainable Development
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Speaker 2: Chapter foresees the possibility of trade sanctions in instances of
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Speaker 2: serious violations violations of a core comitment, namely the Paris
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Speaker 2: Agreement on climate Change, regardless of their impact on trade.
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Speaker 2: WHOA WHOA, regardless of their impact on trade binding New
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Speaker 2: Zealand and I suspect binding us to the Paris Agreement.
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Speaker 2: Have we in Australia just signed a similar clause? Is
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Speaker 2: that why there's no information on the Defact website tonight
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Speaker 2: and scarcely a briefing for the opposition. So here's the question.
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Speaker 2: Is the Albanezy government trying to make climate change commitments
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Speaker 2: that were not legally binding under the Paris Treaty legally
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Speaker 2: binding now through the back door via trade sanctions? Because
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Speaker 2: I think they are because digging around on the Defact
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Speaker 2: website I found this and not quote it says, for
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Speaker 2: the first time in a free trade agreement, Australia and
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Speaker 2: the EU have made a binding commitment to implement obligations
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Speaker 2: under the Paris Agreement on climate change. This is huge
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Speaker 2: The Avid government, it's worth noting, only signed up to
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Speaker 2: the original Paris Agreement the twenty six to twenty eight
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Speaker 2: percent emissions reduction target precisely because they were non binding
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Speaker 2: and they signed them only on the basis of official
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Speaker 2: advice that Australia could achieve these targets without extra spending
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Speaker 2: or further policy change. Now it's true the Albanezy government
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Speaker 2: has legislated much higher targets for Australia now of forty
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Speaker 2: five percent emissions reduction. We won't achieve that. We will
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Speaker 2: not achieve that, largely because of the government's failure to
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Speaker 2: achieve its epically ambitious renewable energy roll at But that's
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Speaker 2: domestic legislation. I mean, you can change domestic legislation, and
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Speaker 2: we should change it if the government. But in any event,
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Speaker 2: none of that has an enforcement mechanism. What the Albany
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Speaker 2: is a government seems to be doing today with this
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Speaker 2: free trade deal with the EU is now permitting trade sanctions,
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Speaker 2: trade sanctions that will force Australia or punish Australia if
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Speaker 2: we do not meet these now binding Paris agreements. Why
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Speaker 2: on Earth would we sign up to something that allows
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Speaker 2: the EU to punish us if we make changes to
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Speaker 2: how we want to deal with climate issues in this country.
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Speaker 2: Why would we throw away our sovereignty like that? After all,
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Speaker 2: our energy economies are very different. Europe's got this heavy
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Speaker 2: reliance on zero emissions nuclear power, while our laws in
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Speaker 2: Australia banned here. As I listened today to our key
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Speaker 2: farming groups, almost all of them were upset with the
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Speaker 2: poor quality of this EU deal.
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Speaker 7: It's a very disappointing day for agriculture.
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Speaker 1: Generally foreshore as a kick in the guards.
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Speaker 6: Or we never saw really any opportunity because the EU
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Speaker 6: just give teams of billions to their agricultural sector every year.
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Speaker 2: There you have it. So what are we actually signed
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Speaker 2: up to? And what COVID taught us as a country
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Speaker 2: and what the Iran were is again teaching us. We've
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Speaker 2: got to be able to stand on our own two
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Speaker 2: feet as a country, be self sufficient for as much
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Speaker 2: as we can, for as long as we can in
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Speaker 2: a crisis. Now we are blessed with natural resources of
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Speaker 2: this country like few others on Earth, and rather than
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Speaker 2: sign agreements that handicap our advantages, we need to instead
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Speaker 2: make the most of them. I mean, build, grow, deg
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Speaker 2: drill is everything we have at our disposal to stay strong,
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Speaker 2: prosperous and sovereign. Now, I would implore the Coalition not
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Speaker 2: to agree to this free trade deal today, not to
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Speaker 2: agree to one word of it until they have gone
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Speaker 2: through it line by line, and not the little cheat sheets,
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Speaker 2: not the twelve pages on the website tonight, but the
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Speaker 2: full detailed treaty document. Because what I've read today, what
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Speaker 2: I looked at today, I fear this is a dud
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Speaker 2: deal for Australia and that we have been sold out
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Speaker 2: by the Albanezy government. Because this is a government that's
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Speaker 2: really good at the politics, but it is appalling at
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Speaker 2: anything that requires intellect and hard work. Mark my words.
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Speaker 2: This is a climate stitch up by stealth. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's head to Camber now for the headlines. Sky News
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Speaker 2: political reporter Ribbon spargo for.
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Speaker 7: Long awaited free trade agreement between the EU and Australia
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Speaker 7: is being pitched as a source of stability in an
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Speaker 7: uncertain world, one that is seemingly less reliant on the
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Speaker 7: United States.
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Speaker 8: It is possible to stick to the rules where powers
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Speaker 8: are using tariffs as a leverage and supply chains as
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Speaker 8: vulnerabilities to be exploited.
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Speaker 2: Trust matters more than transactions.
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Speaker 7: The deal is also tipped to add ten billion dollars
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Speaker 7: to the Australian economy annually, and Australians will pay less
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Speaker 7: for European imports, but not everyone's happy.
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Speaker 3: Does not increase market access in any meaningful way for
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Speaker 3: Australian farmers. This deal must go down as the worst
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Speaker 3: trade deal ever.
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Speaker 7: The EU at Australia also signed a new security pack
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Speaker 7: to boost military ties and procurement. Fuel shortages are worsening
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Speaker 7: as petrol prices increase across Australia. It's hit a record
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Speaker 7: high of two dollars thirty eight a liter diesel, surpassing
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Speaker 7: three dollars in some areas. The number of petrol stations
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Speaker 7: running dry. New South Wales has jumped sharply. The New
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Speaker 7: South Wales Premier is pushing back on federal suggestions that
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Speaker 7: cover style measures to manage the crisis should be left
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Speaker 7: to the states.
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Speaker 9: If demand management procedures required, that might be rationing, but
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Speaker 9: firmly of the belief that it should be a nationally
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Speaker 9: consistent approach.
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Speaker 7: In New Zealand, low income families will soon receive a
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Speaker 7: weekly cash payment to help them afford petrol.
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Speaker 2: Right, let's stay with Camber and News, joining now Sky's
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Speaker 2: political editor Andrew Clenell. Obviously, the biggest game in talent
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Speaker 2: aside from the EU Deal today is the fuel crisis.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen had to update the House Andrew on the
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Speaker 2: latest when it comes to petrol station auditors across the country.
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Speaker 2: I mean we've seen big numbers in terms of fuel
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Speaker 2: price increases. Now we're seeing a lot of Bowsers completely
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Speaker 2: out of action and run dry. In question time too,
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Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty desperate lashing out at the opposition.
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Speaker 10: Have a look, we have not heard a single constructive
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Speaker 10: suggestion from the opposition and it's not a single one,
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Speaker 10: mister Speaker. There's been plenty of sledging and no solutions.
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Speaker 10: There's been plenty of insults, but no ideas, mister Speaker.
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Speaker 2: All we have seen is politics and negativity.
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Speaker 10: But the leadership of the Liberal Party has chosen partisanship
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Speaker 10: not patriotism, and they should hang their heads in shade.
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, there wasn't even at the National
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Speaker 2: Cabinet skybed Off on that meeting. I mean, this is
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Speaker 2: going to get a whole lot worse. And that bloke
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Speaker 2: is the government's weakest link.
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Speaker 1: Andrew, Yeah, and look he's not a popular figure, so
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Speaker 1: I suspect privately, the Prime Minister probably doesn't mind that
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Speaker 1: much that a bone takes all the heat.
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Speaker 11: What do you.
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Speaker 2: Think, Well, I think it's a problem for their poling.
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Speaker 2: I think the labor polly in the latest round was
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Speaker 2: dropping into the twenties. They're going to get hit by
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Speaker 2: one nation, just like the Liberals have, particularly with their
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Speaker 2: working class out of suburban in Amum and dad in
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Speaker 2: the car commuting sort of voter. And this guy just
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Speaker 2: seems flipp it. It doesn't seem to be taking it seriously.
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Speaker 5: Here.
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Speaker 1: But then maybe in a few months you move him
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Speaker 1: and that way he becomes a scapegoat.
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Speaker 11: That's all.
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Speaker 1: I'm just, you know, watching the chess game, I guess.
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Speaker 1: But what else.
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Speaker 11: Have in there?
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Speaker 1: Really? And I think that's I've always thought made I
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Speaker 1: suspect a lot of the policy. Yeah, they're haping to
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Speaker 1: get cop and get rid of him then, right, but
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Speaker 1: that didn't happen.
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Speaker 2: I think that's right.
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Speaker 1: That that was always my assumption. M I think things
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Speaker 1: are going to get a lot worse on this petrol thing.
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Speaker 2: Please you keep going.
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Speaker 1: Well, I just think it's going to get a lot
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Speaker 1: worse with this petrol. I mean, people privately around here
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Speaker 1: are saying, if the war goes another couple of months,
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Speaker 1: we're in all sorts.
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Speaker 11: Petter M.
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Speaker 2: I don't disagree in particularly in relation to agriculture. I
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Speaker 2: don't disagree in terms of transport. I mean, we are
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Speaker 2: geographically a really big country and it takes a lot
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Speaker 2: to move stuff around. We don't do enough on rail,
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Speaker 2: you know. And and gas gas has also been hit
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Speaker 2: in this crisis. Gas is key to our electricity and greed.
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Speaker 2: As we're winding out of coal force time, I'd add
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Speaker 2: forced to wind out of coal, we needing gas for
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Speaker 2: peaking electricity. And it's so interesting. Last night the Minerals
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Speaker 2: Council dinner, the Prime Minister goes in and does his
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Speaker 2: big mea culper and says, basically to the sector, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: I've been so hard on fossil fuels. We really need
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Speaker 2: you now.
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Speaker 1: H Yeah. Well, you know you just get hit by reality,
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Speaker 1: don't you. Having said that, I reckon there'll be an
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Speaker 1: uptaking electric vehicles out of this, and I do see
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Speaker 1: big problems ahead for the economy. When you got the
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Speaker 1: head of the IA coming here saying this is worse
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Speaker 1: than the all shocks of the seventies, what did we
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Speaker 1: get out of that. In Australia, we've got stagflation, high
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Speaker 1: unemployment and high inflation at the same time. Yeah, I'm concerned.
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Speaker 1: The government's private hope is that Donald Trump ends the war.
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Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. They just hope he ends the war.
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Speaker 1: That's really their solution. There isn't much else. They're trying
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Speaker 1: various things by the Asian countries, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: But when we're doing nothing.
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Speaker 1: To help him in there, I mean, but that's that's it.
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Speaker 11: It's a wing and.
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Speaker 1: A prayer sort of a strategy.
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Speaker 11: It seems to me.
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Speaker 2: It's a circus and the ring master are actually the
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Speaker 2: clowns as far as I can see it at the moment,
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Speaker 2: Let's go to one nation and all this talk about preferences.
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Speaker 2: I know Jeff Kennet waited and waited in relation to Victoria.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to that a bit later on the show.
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Speaker 2: But I think Matt Canavan made a pretty fair point
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Speaker 2: today about one nation preferences.
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Speaker 3: I have to achieve it by defeating a labor government.
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Speaker 3: And that's why I found it surprising at the South
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Speaker 3: Train election that one nation did not preference against labor.
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Speaker 3: If one nation does want to get rid of these
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Speaker 3: bad Labor Green policies. The question has got to be asked,
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Speaker 3: why why are they treating the Labor Party on a
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Speaker 3: level playing field with the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: Or Andrew What do you make of that?
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Speaker 1: Well, the more they can get Matt Canavan out, the
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Speaker 1: better it seems to me. He's someone who can really
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Speaker 1: take on Barnaby Joyce because he doesn't do talking points
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Speaker 1: like so many of them, like Barnaby, just speaks his mind.
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Speaker 1: In terms of the preferences, yeah, it is an odd
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Speaker 1: situation if they preference the Labor Party because they are
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Speaker 1: more diametrically opposed than they will be with the Libs
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Speaker 1: and Nats. But I think the South Australian result was
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Speaker 1: interesting in the perspective, and I guess it feeds that
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Speaker 1: Uni party tag, which is an inaccurate tag, but it's
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Speaker 1: around the place in terms of the preferences. And one
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Speaker 1: nation got such a significant vote but only one to
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Speaker 1: three seats, so we can see that at the federal
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Speaker 1: level if the preferences don't go kind of one nation's way.
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Speaker 1: But do we get to a situation where the coalition's
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Speaker 1: in so much trouble they can only form government in
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Speaker 1: a few years with the help of one nation. That's
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Speaker 1: the other thing that I'm wondering. So you don't want
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Speaker 1: to be dismissing them out of hand, that's for sure,
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Speaker 1: if you're the coalition.
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Speaker 2: And you don't want to be picking a fight with
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Speaker 2: them because it's your voters that are sitting in a
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Speaker 2: majority sense with one nation. If you want them back,
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Speaker 2: you know, belunge in them for changing their mind because
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Speaker 2: you've vacated the field. I mean, get back on the field.
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Speaker 2: Give them something to vote for. I saw you had
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Speaker 2: Michelle Roland on this afternoon. She's the Attorney General of
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Speaker 2: course in the Albert Easy government. You pushed her on
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Speaker 2: the Bondai Royal Commission. I thought those were very good
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Speaker 2: sort of points you raised. And also the departure of
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Speaker 2: Dennis Richardson, which is, you know, we're both knowing well
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Speaker 2: big alarm bells for the integrity of any sort of
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Speaker 2: report we might get. You also made a point to
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Speaker 2: ask her about all of that money with the family
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Speaker 2: reunion travel scandal. Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 1: So you had to pay back half the cost of
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Speaker 1: the trip, that's.
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Speaker 8: Right, that's around around that, all right.
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Speaker 1: There was a time when a minister might be forced
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Speaker 1: to resign over something like this. Do you accept that?
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Speaker 8: Well, what I accept is that whilst I've always sought
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Speaker 8: to act within the guidelines, when questions were raised, I
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Speaker 8: sought advice and I took it and I consider that
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Speaker 8: to be appropriate.
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Speaker 1: Do you regret charging that trip to the tax payer?
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Speaker 8: Well, certainly this should not have happened, and I will
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Speaker 8: ensure it doesn't happen again.
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Speaker 2: You know a lot of them are on the ropes,
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Speaker 2: and then Bond Night happened and a lot of them,
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Speaker 2: I think, thought they got away with it.
21:21
Speaker 1: How could she have done something so stupid, is what
21:23
Speaker 1: I'm like. I mean, like you, we've because we've had
21:26
Speaker 1: interactions with Michelle Rowland on election nights, et cetera, peter,
21:30
Speaker 1: and she's quite.
21:31
Speaker 2: Like smart you know smart.
21:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's smart. She's smart.
21:35
Speaker 2: She's lawyer.
21:37
Speaker 1: And a lawyer too.
21:39
Speaker 11: It's just madness.
21:40
Speaker 1: I can't believe it, but it's what these politicians do.
21:43
Speaker 1: They come in here and they just get entitled, like
21:45
Speaker 1: you just go, oh, no worries. I'll just put my
21:48
Speaker 1: kids in business class on the taxpayer because I'm working
21:51
Speaker 1: in Perth and they can come holiday. Now it's pretty
21:54
Speaker 1: alarming for her because it's a breach. The IPIA found
21:59
Speaker 1: it was a breach. Now in the old days, used
22:01
Speaker 1: to go for this, used to hang. And she's the
22:03
Speaker 1: first law officer, and that was the point I was
22:05
Speaker 1: trying to make to her. It sort of got buried
22:07
Speaker 1: under BONDI but this is pretty damn serious, unfortunately for
22:11
Speaker 1: Michelle Roland, who again I kind of like, but you know,
22:14
Speaker 1: I got to report straight. I got to do my job,
22:17
Speaker 1: and that worries me because then, you know, you start
22:20
Speaker 1: wondering about the judgment of the first law officer of
22:22
Speaker 1: the land, and that's not great.
22:26
Speaker 2: I work for seven different senior politicians. I have to say,
22:30
Speaker 2: I often got my backside handed to me when I
22:32
Speaker 2: used to say to them, do not claim that, pay
22:35
Speaker 2: for it out of your own money. Pay for it
22:37
Speaker 2: out of your own money, and just move on. It
22:40
Speaker 2: is not worth the pain. Put it on the front
22:42
Speaker 2: page of the Telly. See what you think about it.
22:43
Speaker 2: Then is it such a good idea that invariably say no?
22:46
Speaker 2: And they grumph because politicians have got deep pockets and
22:50
Speaker 2: short arms. As my dad would say, I will leave
22:53
Speaker 2: it there, thank you, thank you, very much Andrew. All right,
22:55
Speaker 2: let's go now too. Oh before we do, actually, christ
22:58
Speaker 2: Ney Willman, don't forget his fu Crisis special this Sunday,
23:03
Speaker 2: Sunday only on Sky News at Halpas seven Eastern Standard time.
23:07
Speaker 2: All right, let's go now, though, still on economic issues,
23:11
Speaker 2: because we have a sign today. I think that history
23:15
Speaker 2: is repeating itself. This is about consumer confidence. It's fallen
23:20
Speaker 2: now to its lowest level since nineteen seventy three, and
23:24
Speaker 2: that was coincidentally the last time we were hit with
23:27
Speaker 2: an oil crisis out of the Middle East. Of course,
23:30
Speaker 2: in Australia, even before the war began, we were grappling
23:34
Speaker 2: with rising inflation and exorbitant power bills. So putting it
23:38
Speaker 2: all on the war, blaming the war would be letting
23:41
Speaker 2: labor off the hook. Joining me now for this and more.
23:43
Speaker 2: Former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl, David, welcome, I got
23:48
Speaker 2: to get your take on this spin from the government
23:50
Speaker 2: that all of this is the fault. So the household
23:53
Speaker 2: pain is the fault of Donald Trump and this war
23:56
Speaker 2: in Iran. But our inflation was already way out and
24:00
Speaker 2: above all the other comparable economies, Wasn't it remind us
24:04
Speaker 2: of where we were pre Iran.
24:10
Speaker 12: Well, pre Iran Peter inflation was well above the RBAS
24:16
Speaker 12: two to three percent target. It has been for almost
24:18
Speaker 12: six or seven months, And as Michelle Bullock said at
24:22
Speaker 12: her press conference after last week's RBA Board meeting, the
24:26
Speaker 12: board's decision to raise the cash rate for the second
24:30
Speaker 12: time this year had nothing to do with Iran.
24:37
Speaker 2: Okay. So what do you make then, of the reports
24:39
Speaker 2: that privately Treasury is modeling inflation running as high as
24:44
Speaker 2: five or six percent.
24:50
Speaker 12: Well, that probably takes into account some effect from the
24:55
Speaker 12: Iran conflict and oil prices. But I do stress to
24:59
Speaker 12: you your listeners that we have a persistent excessive inflation
25:04
Speaker 12: problem in Australia. We were singled out by the IMF
25:07
Speaker 12: along with Norway I think, as the only two rich
25:10
Speaker 12: countries which haven't got on top of their post COVID inflation.
25:15
Speaker 11: Now prolonged oil.
25:16
Speaker 12: Shock will obviously add percentage points to that, but we
25:22
Speaker 12: do have the underlying problem, and it's forcing the RBA
25:27
Speaker 12: to raise rates when there's a possibility of a supply
25:31
Speaker 12: shock in the economy which could send up prices but
25:34
Speaker 12: also send up unemployment.
25:38
Speaker 2: So I looked at what happened in New Zealand, with
25:40
Speaker 2: even ounced handouts to low income people to cover some
25:43
Speaker 2: of the costs in a fuel spikes label. Obviously will
25:47
Speaker 2: come under pressure to do that in Australia, and this
25:49
Speaker 2: is a government that loves a handout, That would only
25:53
Speaker 2: make the situation worse. So what can they do here?
25:56
Speaker 2: What do they need to do here that doesn't just
25:59
Speaker 2: involve throwing more money out the door to consumers.
26:06
Speaker 12: Well, let's remember that with inflation rising in Australia, bracket
26:11
Speaker 12: creep is being turbo chudged Peter, So that will bring
26:14
Speaker 12: a lot of extra revenue into Canberra's coffers. But bracket
26:19
Speaker 12: creep is a regressive tax. The pain is felt most
26:23
Speaker 12: intensely by low income earners. So I would prefer Jim
26:27
Speaker 12: Chalmers to not rely on bracket creep and to instead
26:32
Speaker 12: cut federal spending in the current financial year, which he
26:36
Speaker 12: said in my IFO would grow by four and a
26:37
Speaker 12: half percent. In real terms, that should be cut right
26:40
Speaker 12: back to zero or negative one percent, and he should
26:44
Speaker 12: cut next year because that would take immediate pressure off
26:48
Speaker 12: the RBA board to continue raising the cash rate in
26:52
Speaker 12: the teeth of a potential supply crisis, and by doing that,
26:57
Speaker 12: it would save Australian households from the blunderbus, if you like,
27:01
Speaker 12: of higher interest rates. So what fiscal policy can do
27:05
Speaker 12: is be used like a scalpel. Maybe some means tested
27:08
Speaker 12: assistance can be carefully targeted to the most more vulnerable.
27:13
Speaker 12: But overall spending, including massive spending that benefits middle to
27:17
Speaker 12: high income people through the NDIS, age care, childcare, and medicare,
27:23
Speaker 12: all of these universal programs have to be looked at.
27:27
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to that modeling today from Shane
27:30
Speaker 2: Oliver Amp Chief Economists, where at twenty seven percent of
27:34
Speaker 2: GDP in terms of spending, he argues we need to
27:37
Speaker 2: get it down to twenty five percent within the four
27:40
Speaker 2: year envelope and as a result, that's a one hundred
27:43
Speaker 2: and thirty seven billion dollar save required in the budget.
27:49
Speaker 2: I go to the perennial problem I have when I
27:51
Speaker 2: look at the estimates where we dig into the detail
27:53
Speaker 2: of the numbers, because labor will claim a savings, you know,
27:57
Speaker 2: so they find themselves are fifty billion dollars in one column, David.
28:00
Speaker 2: They'll call that a saving. It's not a saving because
28:03
Speaker 2: I'll take that fifty billion, they'll put it in another
28:05
Speaker 2: column and they'll spend it out that door, so there's
28:08
Speaker 2: no save. It's like it's like going to buy a
28:11
Speaker 2: lounge suite and getting a cheaper one, but coming home
28:13
Speaker 2: with a coffee table as well and having no extra
28:16
Speaker 2: money in your pocket. Like they're still spending everything they
28:20
Speaker 2: have and more.
28:23
Speaker 12: Well, there's no net savings whatsoever in any of the
28:26
Speaker 12: four budgets that Jim Charmers has delivered. Federal spending has
28:31
Speaker 12: growth grown at around four percent a year in annual terms,
28:35
Speaker 12: in real terms each year since the election of the
28:39
Speaker 12: Albanezi government. Jim Chalmers, as far as I'm aware, has
28:42
Speaker 12: not made a single decision which has got a lobby
28:46
Speaker 12: group or an interest group that depends on taxpayer money offside.
28:50
Speaker 12: He talks a big game and they lead up to
28:52
Speaker 12: this budget, but I think he's just trying to soften
28:54
Speaker 12: up journalists. He tends to overpromise and underliver. Now Shane
28:59
Speaker 12: Oliver is talking about cuts in four years time. I
29:03
Speaker 12: said before to your listeners and you Peter, that we
29:06
Speaker 12: have an inflation fly burning and we have an oil
29:09
Speaker 12: crisis and we don't want five percent interest rates which
29:13
Speaker 12: could crash the mortgage market. We don't want bracket creep.
29:16
Speaker 12: So now is the time for Jim Chalmers to tighten
29:19
Speaker 12: the purse sting, not four years time. And if you
29:22
Speaker 12: look at all of the main drivers of commonwealth spending,
29:26
Speaker 12: not least the NDIS, they're all growing at a far
29:29
Speaker 12: higher rate than the economy. And unless you address the
29:33
Speaker 12: fundamentals of that, which requires a new social contract for
29:37
Speaker 12: this country, frankly, to take us back to means testing
29:40
Speaker 12: and away from universal welfare, we're not going to go close.
29:43
Speaker 12: So Shane Oliver has turned out a number, but he
29:46
Speaker 12: and many other private sector economists are too afraid or
29:50
Speaker 12: maybe unwilling to talk about dismantling the NDIS, means testing childcare,
29:55
Speaker 12: bringing back co payments for many care.
29:58
Speaker 11: That's what a government will have.
29:59
Speaker 12: To do, whether it's a labor government or a liberal government,
30:03
Speaker 12: when our financial position is fully revealed.
30:07
Speaker 2: Well, I was there when the government tried to do
30:09
Speaker 2: even a little bit of that in twenty fourteen, and
30:11
Speaker 2: it was diabolical because it just wasn't the political will
30:15
Speaker 2: to come in and support you, and a lot of
30:17
Speaker 2: angst in the community. The points you make on the
30:20
Speaker 2: universal systems, childcare, INDs and others they're so validated, I
30:24
Speaker 2: think I'll get you back at another time and we
30:26
Speaker 2: might dig into that a little bit in terms of
30:28
Speaker 2: detail so people can follow it ahead of the May budget.
30:32
Speaker 2: Thank you as always, All right after the break, new
30:35
Speaker 2: analysis on Labour's plans to tax property more and what
30:38
Speaker 2: it all means for everyone in a home in this country.
30:42
Speaker 2: Pluss the Prime Minister's shameless mere culpa to the mining
30:46
Speaker 2: industry last night. Welcome back. Coming up live, we'll go
30:54
Speaker 2: to London for the latest on those arson attacks on
30:56
Speaker 2: a Jewish ambulance charity, as potential links to now emerge.
31:01
Speaker 2: But before that, I want to go to some new
31:03
Speaker 2: research for the Institute of Public Affairs which suggests that
31:06
Speaker 2: australia Is so called fifty percent tax discount on capital
31:09
Speaker 2: gains is wildly misleading, with inflation punishing on pushing tax
31:14
Speaker 2: rates to real profits on one hundred percent or more.
31:18
Speaker 2: The research also warns that cutting the discount could actually
31:22
Speaker 2: make our housing problems worse and further discourage investment, particularly
31:27
Speaker 2: private sector holding of rental homes. Here to talk us
31:31
Speaker 2: through at the chief economists of the IPA and in Crichton, Well, okay,
31:35
Speaker 2: take your big brain away for a moment. In Layman's terms,
31:39
Speaker 2: you've done a huge amount of research here. What does
31:42
Speaker 2: your paper reveal?
31:44
Speaker 13: Well, look, I think just as you said, I think
31:45
Speaker 13: it's with Layman. They don't do algebra or maths very well.
31:48
Speaker 13: But basically, if the rate of inflation, if the inflation
31:50
Speaker 13: that you experience on your asset return of five ten
31:53
Speaker 13: years on your investment property, if that's more than fifty
31:55
Speaker 13: percent of your capital gain, then the old indexation method
31:59
Speaker 13: gives you a much slower rate of tax. So the
32:01
Speaker 13: idea that the discount, the fifty percent discount that we've
32:04
Speaker 13: had since nine nine nine, is always a discount, is
32:07
Speaker 13: totally flawed. And indeed, I look back at the returns
32:10
Speaker 13: we've had in property and the share markets.
32:12
Speaker 11: It's nine nine.
32:12
Speaker 13: Nine and basically over half of the five year intervals,
32:15
Speaker 13: if you'd sold, the tax rate that you would have
32:18
Speaker 13: paid on the old method was actually lower than the
32:20
Speaker 13: new method because under the old method, the indexation method,
32:23
Speaker 13: of course, they would increase the purchase price by inflation.
32:27
Speaker 13: So look, it's a bit more complicated, but the prevailing
32:29
Speaker 13: narrative in the media is certainly that this was some
32:32
Speaker 13: huge discount, and it's it's just quite simply not And indeed,
32:35
Speaker 13: you know, take now we've got four percent inflation. So
32:38
Speaker 13: I just did some some basic modeling. So just say
32:42
Speaker 13: you had average four percent inflation over ten years, and
32:44
Speaker 13: your average return over ten years was five percent a year,
32:47
Speaker 13: so not terrible. Then the tax rate on the real
32:50
Speaker 13: game is one hundred percent, and under a thirty three
32:52
Speaker 13: percent discount would.
32:53
Speaker 11: Be one hundred and thirty three percent.
32:55
Speaker 13: So basically, if they cut it to thirty three percent,
32:57
Speaker 13: which I really hope they don't do, it's a terrible,
32:59
Speaker 13: terrible polt, massive increase in taxation. And of course people
33:02
Speaker 13: just won't sell their assets. They'll just hold them till
33:04
Speaker 13: they die, right, So they're not going to make any
33:06
Speaker 13: money out of it.
33:07
Speaker 2: So it doesn't do anything much in terms of housing
33:09
Speaker 2: stock and nothing turning over the housing stock. But it
33:13
Speaker 2: would also be a massive disincentive for anyone who thinks
33:16
Speaker 2: I got a little bit of extra money there, I
33:17
Speaker 2: put it into the shares and you know, try and
33:21
Speaker 2: provide for my retirement, or do I get an investment property.
33:23
Speaker 2: You wouldn't go there and investment in property.
33:25
Speaker 13: No, certainly that's true, especially right now we've got four
33:27
Speaker 13: percent inflation now probably going to go to five percent,
33:29
Speaker 13: and then who knows after that.
33:30
Speaker 11: You know, it's either COVID or something.
33:32
Speaker 13: I mean, you know, basically, if you were wise and
33:35
Speaker 13: you're investing, you'd realize that if they cut it to
33:36
Speaker 13: thirty three percent, you'll be paying a huge amount of tax,
33:39
Speaker 13: so you just won't invest at all, or you won't sell.
33:41
Speaker 11: So it's throwing sand in the wheels on a massive scale.
33:44
Speaker 13: I would say it's not being thought through. And look,
33:46
Speaker 13: we have to wait till the budget, but it's not
33:48
Speaker 13: looking good. There've been quite a lot of leaks about Regina.
33:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think something's coming, absolutely, don't you.
33:53
Speaker 11: Yes, Oh, something's definitely coming.
33:55
Speaker 13: And I did see one good story that might have
33:56
Speaker 13: been just a flat rate of tax and some indexation,
33:59
Speaker 13: but I out they're going to do something so sensible
34:01
Speaker 13: based on the track record of this government.
34:03
Speaker 11: So it's all about politics.
34:04
Speaker 13: I mean, capital gains tax doesn't raise much money anyway, really, But.
34:07
Speaker 2: If they're trying to deal with the politics of MB,
34:09
Speaker 2: which is basically what thish, of course the politics of MB,
34:12
Speaker 2: then stop people having nine investment properties, but leave people
34:16
Speaker 2: have an investment property of one or two because for
34:19
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are not sophisticated investors, the
34:22
Speaker 2: bricks and mortar of a property, particularly if you work
34:24
Speaker 2: with your hands, if you're a trader, you can do
34:26
Speaker 2: it up and you can increase its value over time.
34:29
Speaker 2: That's what a lot of people are comfortable with, Adam,
34:32
Speaker 2: So that wouldn't change the game so much it would
34:36
Speaker 2: get away I guess the taint that people who get
34:38
Speaker 2: special deals with lots of properties appear to be getting
34:42
Speaker 2: out there in the real world.
34:43
Speaker 11: Yeah.
34:43
Speaker 13: Look, that's not a bad idea, but the fundamental problem
34:45
Speaker 13: is you've got extremely high marginal tax rate forty seven percent,
34:48
Speaker 13: and it's not just a small group of people anymore.
34:49
Speaker 4: Ok.
34:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well David Curl was making the point about bick creep.
34:53
Speaker 2: It's keeping a lot of people in.
34:54
Speaker 13: So basically, had a million Australians pay the top rate
34:56
Speaker 13: where it was only two hundred fifty thousand about ten
34:58
Speaker 13: years ago, and the only way to was gape that is,
35:00
Speaker 13: basically to do negative gearing. So you know the real
35:03
Speaker 13: problem is the top marginal tax rate cuts in.
35:05
Speaker 11: Too low and the rate itself is too high.
35:07
Speaker 13: So if they change that then I mean it should
35:09
Speaker 13: be the level should be two hundred and eighty thousand
35:13
Speaker 13: dollars now.
35:13
Speaker 11: If it had been indexed, you know, since two thousand
35:15
Speaker 11: and eight it hasn't been.
35:17
Speaker 13: So you have people quite quite naturally trying to escape
35:20
Speaker 13: that taxation news, and you know, they go into negatively
35:23
Speaker 13: get property and it's not necessarily a winner, by the way,
35:25
Speaker 13: And you know, I don't think right now.
35:26
Speaker 11: It would be.
35:27
Speaker 13: We've got extremely high house prices. I mean, do we
35:29
Speaker 13: really think that they're going to go under fifty percent?
35:31
Speaker 11: I don't think so. Look at Canada.
35:33
Speaker 13: I mean Toronto's Marcus down twenty percent about a year.
35:36
Speaker 13: So you know, I think I think the story in
35:37
Speaker 13: about a year could not be too high house prices,
35:39
Speaker 13: but it could be, you know, the house prices affording.
35:42
Speaker 2: Hey, I want to play a grab last night from
35:44
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister at the Minerals Council dinner. Have a listen.
35:49
Speaker 4: Over the years, I acknowledge it. From time to time
35:52
Speaker 4: we've had our differences on policy justice the companies in
35:56
Speaker 4: this room and not always on the same page as
35:59
Speaker 4: each other. Of course, we do not have to agree
36:02
Speaker 4: on every aspect of every issue. To build a constructive
36:06
Speaker 4: relationship in the national interests. That's what matters, especially right
36:12
Speaker 4: now in uncertain times. Australians expect all of us to
36:17
Speaker 4: put the national interest first.
36:21
Speaker 2: So he was part of a government that got back
36:23
Speaker 2: to carbon tax on the mining sector, that whacked the
36:26
Speaker 2: mining tax on the mining sector. His budget's in trouble.
36:30
Speaker 2: He lives off the revenue profits that they provide to Australia,
36:33
Speaker 2: as they should. You can only sell a bit of
36:36
Speaker 2: coal once. I have no issue with that. But at
36:39
Speaker 2: the same time that that's last night. At the same
36:41
Speaker 2: time he says all about lovely kind words to the sector.
36:45
Speaker 2: He then goes out today and signs this trade deal
36:47
Speaker 2: with EU and I haven't seen the full text. He'll
36:50
Speaker 2: be about that big in terms of it's paperweight. But
36:52
Speaker 2: what I have seen and what I know of the
36:55
Speaker 2: New Zealand dealer Adam, is they're backdooring all of this
36:59
Speaker 2: green and policy stuff out of Europe and turning the
37:03
Speaker 2: Paris Agreement, which was non binding, into really binding hooks
37:08
Speaker 2: in a trade deal. And I think that's wrong.
37:10
Speaker 11: No, look, I think it's wrong too.
37:11
Speaker 13: Firstly, on the mining speech, the cynic in me thinks
37:14
Speaker 13: there must be something coming up in the budget that's
37:17
Speaker 13: going to damage the mining industry, they try to butter
37:21
Speaker 13: them up. But on the trade deal today, look, I
37:23
Speaker 13: mean for some industries it was a modest improvement, but
37:26
Speaker 13: for the beef sorry, the beef export industry.
37:29
Speaker 11: It was not particularly good at all. For cars that
37:32
Speaker 11: barely made.
37:33
Speaker 13: And as you say, I mean it's basically trying to
37:35
Speaker 13: implement the parastel by the back door.
37:38
Speaker 11: And you know, this is a deal that's not popular.
37:40
Speaker 13: I don't think anymore, and certainly in a few years
37:42
Speaker 13: time it's not going to be. But this deal I imagine
37:44
Speaker 13: the last five, ten, fifteen years, and I think, as
37:46
Speaker 13: you pointed out earlier, there are clauses in the deal
37:50
Speaker 13: that they can punish Australia.
37:51
Speaker 2: I encourage you, when the full text lands on the website,
37:56
Speaker 2: gets your head around it right as a column, and
37:58
Speaker 2: we'll get you back on well. Thanks Peter, Thanks Adam.
38:01
Speaker 2: All right, I think right, we're going to go straight
38:02
Speaker 2: to the UK. We'll talk about the fire bombing on
38:04
Speaker 2: the Jewish charity and the father who wants the Prime
38:08
Speaker 2: Minister to get his Islamic state daughter back to Australia.
38:16
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Let's go down to London and that shocking
38:19
Speaker 2: footage which showed a fleet of Jewish ambulances targeted by
38:23
Speaker 2: arsonists in what police suspect was an anti Semitic attack.
38:27
Speaker 2: A terrible group with leaders to the Iranian regime since
38:29
Speaker 2: claimed responsibility. However, the Metropolitan Police are yet to confirm
38:33
Speaker 2: the claim. Here to talk us through this and more,
38:36
Speaker 2: Skyness contributor News Corps European correspondent Sophie Ellsworth, Well, Sophie,
38:42
Speaker 2: I want to make the point up front, this is
38:45
Speaker 2: an ambulance charity. It's funded by the Jewish community, but
38:49
Speaker 2: the ambulances and the medical paramedics are there to help
38:53
Speaker 2: anyone and everyone. They just supplement the work of the
38:57
Speaker 2: NHS Ambulance Service. Now that we've got talk that these
39:01
Speaker 2: terror links are there between what happened and the Iranian government,
39:07
Speaker 2: what's been the response from the government.
39:11
Speaker 14: Well, Peter As, I'm sure you can appreciate this is
39:14
Speaker 14: still an investigation that is ongoing now. Kis Starma s
39:17
Speaker 14: Keres Starmer came out yesterday and obviously said that he
39:22
Speaker 14: condemn any hate towards the Jewish community, but it's not
39:27
Speaker 14: yet confirmed to be confirmed who is responsible for this.
39:31
Speaker 14: We do know counter Terrorism police are involved in the
39:35
Speaker 14: investigation and that is ongoing. And there is CCTV footage
39:40
Speaker 14: of men coming into the service there you can see
39:44
Speaker 14: and dousing the ambulances with fuel before setting them aline.
39:49
Speaker 14: So this investigation is ongoing, but the pressure is on
39:53
Speaker 14: the government to ramp up security for the Jewish community,
39:57
Speaker 14: which we know is now happening.
40:00
Speaker 2: Then.
40:00
Speaker 14: Issue that's happening in Australia, Peter, with anti Semitism on
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Speaker 14: the riots is clearly happening here too in the UK
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Speaker 14: and putting pressure on secures Starmight to take further action.
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Speaker 2: Well, we know London is no stranger sadly to Islamus
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Speaker 2: terror attacks. Now, I was a bit chilled last week
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Speaker 2: to hear the Iranian regime put the call out to say,
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Speaker 2: you know, across the world, we're activating our terror selves,
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Speaker 2: We're activating sympathizers to do acts of terror to support
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Speaker 2: the regime in Tehran. How's the feeling on the ground
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Speaker 2: in London at the moment, Well, I would.
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Speaker 14: Say, Peter, it's similar to what it's like in Australia.
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Speaker 14: The Jewish community is feeling very, very vulnerable and under
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Speaker 14: threat at the moment, and rightly so because we're seeing
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Speaker 14: more of these type of attacks. Obviously it comes just
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Speaker 14: months after what we saw happen in Bondai, so these threats.
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Speaker 2: Are very they're very alive.
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Speaker 14: Now we know in Golders Green where this attack happened,
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Speaker 14: it's the heavily Jewish populated community. There's dozens of synagogues
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Speaker 14: in that area in North London. So it was a
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Speaker 14: very deliberate and targeted attack. And the pressure is on
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Speaker 14: not just the government but the Met Police to prosecute
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Speaker 14: these responsible and act quickly so that further attacks can
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Speaker 14: be stamped out because these are clearly on the rise.
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Speaker 14: Anti Semitism remains a problem here in Britain.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to some comments for the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister because he wants the opposition later Kevin Vadnock to
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Speaker 2: sack her shadow Justice Secretary. It's a bloke called Nick Timothy.
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Speaker 2: Many years ago, he was a chief of staff to
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Speaker 2: a Tory Prime minister at the time that I was,
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Speaker 2: and he's now in the Parliament. He described this mass
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Speaker 2: Muslim prayer display recently and Trafelga Square as an act
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Speaker 2: of domination and division. Oppositionly, the bad Knock is backing
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Speaker 2: him in she says he is defending British values. It's
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Speaker 2: dominated the news feeds that I read out of London.
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Speaker 2: Give me your analysis of his sofa.
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Speaker 14: Well, Peter, it's been a real divide on this. There's
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Speaker 14: many who have argued that the Muslim community should be
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Speaker 14: allowed to do this. The prayer we know it was
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Speaker 14: led there by who was actually there was the Lord
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Speaker 14: mays that eat Khan. But then there's others arguing, Okay,
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Speaker 14: if they're going to condemn this type of prayer in
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Speaker 14: Trafalgar Square in a public place, will the same be
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Speaker 14: condemned for other religions And that's where the criticism has come.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 14: Also there's been talk that there was segregation within those
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Speaker 14: praying there, that men and women were separate, But then
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Speaker 14: others argued, well, they were separated, but it was a
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Speaker 14: communal prayer and so they were all there together despite
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Speaker 14: being divvied up. So this is hugely controversial, Peter, and
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Speaker 14: one that has raised a lot of debate here. But
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Speaker 14: it comes back to should these MPs be silenced for
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Speaker 14: their views? And Kemy Badenock has stood by her mp
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Speaker 14: there and refused to condemn these remarks, which I think
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Speaker 14: is the right thing to do, because then we are
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Speaker 14: now going to go down the rabbit hole of silencing
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Speaker 14: free speech.
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Speaker 2: And the rabbit hole of Islamophobia. And I noticed the
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Speaker 2: Free Speech Union is going to take this all the
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Speaker 2: way through the courts and make an example of what's
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Speaker 2: happened to this MP. Olive there, so thank you very
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Speaker 2: much coming out. We'll come back to the issue Islamic
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Speaker 2: state women. The dad of one of the women wants
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister to bring her home. He says she's
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Speaker 2: just simply naive. I mean, spare me and One Nation too.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that after the break. We'll go back.
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Speaker 2: Let's get straight into it. Well, look at what's happening
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Speaker 2: around Australia. Former mpter Cole Flint joins me as she
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Speaker 2: often does, and New South Wales One Nation Senator Senator
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Speaker 2: Sean Bell. I want to go off the top to
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Speaker 2: this issue of the isis women. I don't like the
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Speaker 2: term brides. As you know. The father of one of
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Speaker 2: these women, Nezri Zahib, is a woman's name. Well he
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Speaker 2: is maintaining that's so bicky patter. That's the dad maintaining
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Speaker 2: that his daughter was naive and had no involvement with
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Speaker 2: a terror group, he says, and insists that it's the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's responsibility to bring her home. Nicole Flint. He says,
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Speaker 2: she was younger, naive. It wasn't her fault. She's done
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Speaker 2: nothing wrong. What do you think.
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Speaker 15: I completely disagree and this is absolutely not the Prime
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Speaker 15: Minister's fault. And quite frankly, look, Peter, we've discussed the
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Speaker 15: issue of viceis Brides a.
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Speaker 2: Lot on your show.
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Speaker 15: We don't want them here in Australia. We don't want
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Speaker 15: them putting our community at risk. They made a free
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Speaker 15: choice to leave and do what they did. We don't
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Speaker 15: want them back here.
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Speaker 2: Kennett yesterday, former Liberal premier of course in Victoria, urging
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Speaker 2: the Coalition in One Nation to do a deal to
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Speaker 2: ensure that Labour loses the November election. He says, we've
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Speaker 2: got to stop splitting votes. Were going to stop everything
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Speaker 2: we can to get Labor back in the game. Sure fine,
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Speaker 2: but I will make the point Jeff Kennett is more
45:23
Speaker 2: of the moderate ILK and part of the reason when
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Speaker 2: Nation is doing so well in Victoria is because the
45:29
Speaker 2: Liberals have been moderate in Victoria under people like Kennett
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Speaker 2: for thirty odd years. He was a strong backer of
45:36
Speaker 2: John Persudo. He hung more redeeming out to dry and
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Speaker 2: I fear she's got a preselection this weekend. They'll move against.
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Speaker 15: Her absolute madness if the Liberal Party in Victoria do
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Speaker 15: not pre select Moiradeeming, who is an outstanding contributor and
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Speaker 15: a woman of very who has the courage of her convictions. Peter,
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Speaker 15: I have too clear observation from the federal election train wreck.
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Speaker 2: Disaster last year.
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Speaker 15: What's just happened in South Australia and what may happen
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Speaker 15: in Victoria. There are two key things that the Liberal
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Speaker 15: Party needs to do. First of all, have policies that
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Speaker 15: adhere to our principles and that are Liberal policies and
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Speaker 15: that are a point of difference with labor.
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Speaker 10: We have not done that.
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Speaker 15: We've failed to have really any policy, both federally and
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Speaker 15: now an essay. I hope the Victorian Liberals don't make
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Speaker 15: that same mistake. Secondly, we have now had four years
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Speaker 15: of unhinged, unprecedented constant in fighting. Here in South Australia,
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Speaker 15: we had four leaders in four years. In Victoria you've
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Speaker 15: had three leaders in what two years? And federally, of
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Speaker 15: course we've had three leaders in a year. But back
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Speaker 15: to Victoria, mister Kennet had his fingerprints all over the
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Speaker 15: pursuito disaster debacle, the issue that just couldn't be brought
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Speaker 15: to a conclusion that has done huge damage to Victoria.
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Speaker 15: So I really wish he would just retire from public
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Speaker 15: life because he's not helping us.
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Speaker 2: I'm right at of course, that loan that the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party gave John Perzuto to pay the debty ode out
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Speaker 2: of the court case after he lost the court case
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Speaker 2: is still working its way through the courts in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: That's not helpful at all. But one nation, I mean,
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Speaker 2: you're going gangbusters. I don't think it's just because Liberals
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Speaker 2: are going badly. You know, people say it's a grievance party,
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Speaker 2: it's a grievance vote. I don't know, Seana. I've got
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Speaker 2: out in the ground, I've gone out to some of
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Speaker 2: the communities and I hasten to say this. You know,
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Speaker 2: as a Liberal, that's not what it is anymore. It's
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Speaker 2: a very different beast now, and you are very competitive, Peter.
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Speaker 16: There's an orange wave of hope and change that's sweeping
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Speaker 16: across Australia. We saw it in South Australia, and I
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Speaker 16: believe we'll see it in Victoria, and I believe we'll
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Speaker 16: see it in New South Wales. And this is because
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Speaker 16: what One Nation is offering is strong leadership. Strong leadership
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Speaker 16: from Spolk you know, Senator Hanson, strong leadership in the
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Speaker 16: lower House of the Federal Parliament from Barnaby Joyce. And
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Speaker 16: what we've seen is when you support One Nation, you
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Speaker 16: get strong leadership with guys like Corey Bernardi who will
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Speaker 16: now be leading the party in South Australia. And this
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Speaker 16: is off the back of strong policies we lead with
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Speaker 16: scrapping that zero. You know we in South Australia, they
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Speaker 16: promised to roll back the voice to Parliament and they
48:21
Speaker 16: know the voters when they vote for One Nation, that
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Speaker 16: we have the guts to deliver these policies and we're
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Speaker 16: not going to back down. We're not going to say
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Speaker 16: one thing and do another.
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Speaker 2: I will leave it there, thank you both. I make
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Speaker 2: the point to a good poll for the Liberals in Victoria,
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Speaker 2: but it's only fifty two forty eight. They need sixteen
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Speaker 2: seats to change the government, so there's a big fight
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Speaker 2: still to come. That's it for me. See you tomorrow.
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Speaker 9: Night.
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Speaker 2: Here's Andrew