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Richard Ramirez: How the Night Stalker Terrorized Los Angeles · Deadly Intentions

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  He's. What changed Los Angeles?
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  There's a stretch there for about, let's say the better part
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  of like a year and a half where people were careful.
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  His conduct assessed that level of panic.
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  I mean, he had LA on its ear. So let's take it back to the
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  beginning. He was raised in Texas, very
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  abusive home. Father was an alcoholic,
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  physically very abusive and as a child he had two injuries.
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  He sustained 1 as a 2 year old, two injuries to his head.
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  The second one was even more significant because it resulted
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  him being blacked out for a little while and as a 5 year old
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  when you sustain a head injury it often times will have some
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  developmental impact. Especially A5.
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  Yeah, it does. And so when?
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  Your brain's still developing. Yeah, yeah, no.
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  So he ended up suffering a I don't know, the medical term is
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  like some kind of temporal type injury which as an adult will
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  manifest into often times hyper religiosity.
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  Which I thought was an interesting aspect of this guy's
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  background because later on he goes all in on Satanism.
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  Like all in. Now, were the injuries to his
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  head from a from a abusive, abusive father or was?
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  One this one of no. The injuries were childhood
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  injuries. Like playing ball with the kids
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  or falling out. One of them, one of them was a
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  swing related interest. OK, yeah.
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  So I mean, it's not as if. Kids being kids.
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  Kids, kids being kids Now, of course, he was raised in a
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  horrific circumstances. His father was very abusive,
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  which led to him by the time he was 12 years old, began spending
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  less time at home and more time with an older cousin.
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  Right now, the older cousin, his name was Miguel, He in English
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  went by Michael and the older cousin was someone had a lot of
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  respect in the family because he had been, you know, he was home
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  from Vietnam Special forces. Green Beret.
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  He was married. Oh yeah, he was married, Yeah.
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  Yeah, so I think, I think Miguel was married, Special Forces
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  former vet. Came home, yeah, someone who had
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  a little bit so. Your family would be like hey
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  this is a good dude. Well, you know, to a 12 year
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  old. Yeah, that's Superman.
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  Yeah, it's right, right. Unfortunately, Miguel was almost
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  as bad as Pops as Richard. Wow.
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  Not physically abusive with Ramirez.
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  He had engaged in especially with war crimes in Vietnam.
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  OK this is unaliving civilians mutilating Vietnam Vietnamese
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  women and he brought home photos of it.
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  So he's conditioning a 12 year old to under to for him.
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  He associates outrageous levels of violence towards females for
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  the purposes of sexual gratification.
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  It's solidified by Miguel. By by.
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  Yeah. And he's not like the guy
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  brought home. And of course he would boast
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  about how he was, you know, unaliving civilians and the
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  thrill he would receive. And he even brought home
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  shrunken heads. So the kids seeing the photos,
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  the kids seeing the head, the guy he idolizes.
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  But this is like his father figure, someone whom everybody
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  in the community respect. And this propaganda is being.
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  Fed, especially grooming him. Right to Ramirez, who at this
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  point is trying to get away from a bad situation at home and is
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  is is shipped off to Uncle Uncle Miguel.
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  And little do we know that Uncle Miguel is an absolute monster.
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  Culminating he's now he'd moved in with the Miguel family of
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  his. At 11 or 12?
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  And so he's there for a couple of years.
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  Now, was he sent to Uncle Miguel because his mom and dad couldn't
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  handle him? No, it was more of he just
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  gravitated there and, you know, he had a lot of siblings and
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  this was a poor family that came from Mexico.
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  So it's essentially 1 less mouth to feed.
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  And so he's a 13 year old living with Miguel, and Miguel and his
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  wife get into an altercation during a fight in the kitchen
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  and a 13 year old boy watches his Green Beret cousin pull out
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  a firearm and unalive the wife right there in the kitchen.
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  What? Right there, right there.
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  So the Vietnam vet, Army Ranger, Green Beret, whatever he was
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  special force, well respected. He unalives Richard Ramirez's
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  aunt, if you will. Or cousin or cousin?
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  Cousin in law. You know, yeah, essentially
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  right there in front of him, right there in the kitchen.
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  Now, did Miguel ever get in trouble for that?
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  He did. He was, he got prosecuted for
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  it. He was LED, he was sentenced
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  under an insanity type of a scenario.
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  He ends up doing four years. Probably his service was
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  considered all of that. Yeah, certainly.
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  So for the four years when he does that, where does where does
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  Ramirez end up back? He goes to live with his sister.
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  OK. So now.
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  He's like a, he's just like a hand me down rag with just keeps
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  getting handed down right. I mean, look, it obviously
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  doesn't justify anything that's come back then later on, but you
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  can. See them building the monster.
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  You can see that this, this was a it was he was doomed from the
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  get go. Yeah, I mean, and it is his
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  fault because everything you do inevitably is your fault.
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  And I'm not like you said, that does not warrant what he did.
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  But you can see the pieces of the puzzle starting to get put
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  together. You know, this isn't come from a
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  a man and a woman who have a successful relationship and they
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  love their child and they go to church on Sunday and he's got a
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  good job and the mom's a happy homemaker and the kids get off
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  to school every day and a kid. He's raising a frictionless
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  environment now. He doesn't.
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  Not, not this. This is my dad is, you know,
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  boom. I get shipped to my uncle.
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  He's a war guy that unalived a bunch of mutilated shrunken
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  heads. And the whole night.
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  And then I watch him unalive my his wife.
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  And then now I get sent down to the sister.
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  The sister. The sister's husband is a sexual
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  weirdo. OK for kids.
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  No, no, not necessarily for kids.
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  No, not he. He wasn't for children.
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  He's just kind of a sexual perv. Perv to the point where he's now
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  he's going his his thing was watching couples having engaging
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  in intimate behavior, intimate conduct without them knowing
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  about it. So like a voyeur.
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  Kind of like a yeah. And so now he starts taking a
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  kid with him. Like he introduces the kid.
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  To his to his kink. To his thing.
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  And the kids like what, 14 at? This point, he's 14 years old,
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  15 years old, 16 years old. And so it's like, and on top of
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  all, it is, you know, Miguel was someone who enjoyed getting
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  high. OK.
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  And so he introduces the kid, in addition to all of his madness,
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  he starts letting the kid getting high.
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  So of course, it starts out with, you know, just smoking
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  weed and then it but it escalates.
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  So now he's on this path where he goes from Crazy Miguel, so
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  now crazy Roberto, who's taking him on these perv missions.
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  High. Yeah, the kids getting high and
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  now he's engaging in petty juvenile criminal behavior.
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  OK, and so that starts his life of crime.
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  Sure, And then he ends up getting a job working at a look
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  a Holiday Inn in Texas. He's from the El Paso area and
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  he's he has the keys to the hotel rooms.
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  So now he's able. To Ramirez gets a job.
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  Working at the local. Holiday, and probably it's
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  maintenance janitor. So he's, but he's got the, he's
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  going in and out of the people's rooms stealing.
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  So the weather down at the pool or down there?
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  Sure, he starts petty theft. He starts doing like going in
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  and watching the women while they're sleeping but not acting
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  upon his interest, But you can see where it's going.
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  There was unconfirmed reports he was never charged for it, but
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  there was allegedly a couple of incidences involving assaults of
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  that kind of a nature at the hotel in Texas but the women
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  didn't pursue. Right.
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  But he's moving along in that direction.
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  He's headed down that trail. Yes, and so he ends up getting
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  in trouble 'cause he's too good junkie running around and
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  stealing cars and breaking in, ends up getting in trouble.
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  Juvenile hall type of scenario. He gets ultimately released and
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  he makes the decision he's going to move to California from
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  Texas. We do.
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  We always have to deal with these these.
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  These you Californians always got these crazy Texans, these.
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  Crazy Texans come to California and just wreck things.
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  And so he decides to come to California.
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  Now, is he like 18 at this point?
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  22 So he's 22. Yes, and this is 1982.
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  OK, he did a little time for some bullshit.
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  Some bullshit stuff. And so now he's starting
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  overcomes to California and now he he although the bulk of his
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  activity later on in his Senate room in Los Angeles, he
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  initially starts off in San Francisco.
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  OK. And you know, I, I'm from the LA
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  area, I wasn't not too familiar with San Francisco from the
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  1980s. I spent the better part of two
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  decades going to federal court in and out of San Francisco.
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  And so I I'm familiar with the city as it developed, but as
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  beautiful as San Francisco is, there's a real seedy part of
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  town. Yeah, Chinatown or Tenderloin.
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  Tenderloin. And of course he's low level
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  criminal tranky junkie. Well yes, because at this point
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  he's gone from smoking weed to abusing LSD to inhaling coke to
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  injecting it. So anyhow, he's living in the
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  tenderloin, engaging in this degenerate activity.
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  Inject injecting drugs. And you know those, the
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  Tenderloin, I believe was similar to what downtown LA
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  today. Downtown LA is very different
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  than what it was. When you were there. 40 years
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  ago when I was in high school and so, you know, you had like a
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  lot of transient hotels, you know, like 20 bucks a day or
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  whatever. It's just really the drugs
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  society. And so he's staying in that
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  particular area and this animal and this only came to light in
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  2009. That's the.
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  Stuff you're going to tell me right now.
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  This is the. This is.
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  The stuff you're telling me right now didn't come out until
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  09. On one of them, the first one
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  because before they thought that his first Night Stalker victim
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  happened in June of 84. In reality, it predates that
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  little 9 year old Vietnamese or Vietnamese ethnic Chinese girl.
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  How did they find out about it in O 9 compared to 82?
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  Because he he was living in the building or he was staying at
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  the little transient hotel type of thing.
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  And the. How was this genuinely V1 like?
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  Was this victim? To the extent temporally,
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  chronologically. Yeah, chronologically, yeah.
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  So chronologically, regardless of when they found out about it,
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  which it was O 9, this was. They didn't tie it to her, to
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  him. After they were able to
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  forensically tie it to him. So this would be and a lot of
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  people don't talk about V1 meaning victim one would.
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  It was in Tenderloin. His first victim was in San
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  Francisco. She was, you know, little 8 year
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  old 9 year old girl. Oh, terrible.
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  It's terrible. This guy's horrible.
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  He escalated from petty auto theft to gruesome, sadistic,
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  sick of a you. Know of children?
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  Of children was the 1st. While assaulting them, yes, you
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  know, like. In the worst way?
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  In the worst possibly way. And then?
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  We can't necessarily say it, but if you can think about it, guys,
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  there's a way to assault person that you're taking their
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  innocence away and that's what we're.
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  Talking about yeah, he he he he violated the children he then.
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  Killed then UN alive. And then not just just
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  gruesomely butchery. That's one that's.
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  The first one and so then and you know he did it.
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  This is going to show you this is like something that the guy
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  from Alaska would have never done.
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  He did it the the the last one his where he got backed up.
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  But this is he started off like this like this is just an
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  impulsive I'm going to just grab some person's kid.
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  So then he leaves San Francisco, come down to Los Angeles and
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  same situation. He's living in downtown CD area
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  transient hotels, you know, and at this point there's a he snaps
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  a little bit because, well, obviously he snapped.
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  He's but he's like essentially sustaining on Doctor Pepper
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  chocolate, right? He's he's not bathing.
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  He's like he, he's, he's like shedding his humanity, right.
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  And so he, he's just a real dirty, dirty.
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  His teeth are falling apart. The guy's just, you know, you,
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  you have to maintain some base level of maintenance base.
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  Level yeah, of I mean, at least brush your teeth every.
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  Day. Yeah, that's all gone.
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  So a daily shower and brushing your teeth once a day is at the
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  minimum, right? What you need to do?
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  So now, with respect to the the first of what became known as
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  the Night Stalkers events, he's now in Los Angeles and not too
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  far from Dodger Stadium, in fact.
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  Right. And he, it's essentially A
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  burglary gone bad. He breaks into the home and
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  again, there's not much breaking.
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  And people had their windows open.
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  People are just fighting glass doors there.
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  They had little screens, you know, right.
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  And pop a screen. Pop a screen, you come I.
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  Had a fan on at night. That's that's the extent of his
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  and realistically, you know, I've been to LA you in in a lot
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  of instances it does cool down at night where you could you
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  could sure you could sleep under those conditions.
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  Yeah, you know, and. But it's not the safest.
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  What? It was a different era.
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  He's what changed Los Angeles because there's a stretch there
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  for about, let's say the better part of like a year and a half
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  where people were terrified. Like I remember being 15 years
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  old and my mom like, I'm not going out to the cars.
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  My dad company are out to the car and.
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  And did you when you were going to see one thing as we go
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  through this? And there's a lot of people that
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  could potentially cover the Night Stalker.
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  But you lived it, Meaning you were in Los Angeles when he was
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  wanted for these as a little kid, as a kid. 14 middle school.
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  Sophomore year, high school and then so and in a geographical
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  area that was not too far. From here, close in proximity.
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  So was there your parents who are, you know, middle class
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  parents, good parents? Were they like, listen, Pete,
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  we're we're shutting the windows tonight, like, like.
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  Well, no, my parents had made a a series of financial
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  miscalculations, and so this was personally 84 was unquestionably
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  the most challenging year financially my my family ever
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  for. Your mom and dad, yes.
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  And so we were like living in an apartment.
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  And so it was four of us, 2 bedroom apartment.
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  I'm sharing a room with my brother.
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  And so it was like you didn't necessarily worry about him
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  attacking. Were you guys up a little bit?
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  No, it was a base level. I was gonna say because if
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  you're up like on the 3rd floor, you can think you can almost
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  live, right? But no base level.
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  You're very vulnerable. You're vulnerable.
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  That's why my mom's like, I'm, you know, I gotta go to the car
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  with your mom. But did you still leave the
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  windows open at? Night.
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  No, no. But we had air because it was
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  an. Apartment OK, so you had air,
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  yes, then, but but those that there were probably people that
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  didn't have air that either got air or they closed their windows
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  at night because this guy was he was boogie.
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  He was the boogie man in LA, wasn't he?
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  Sure, he really made this guy out to be a boogie man.
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  His conduct assessed that level of right panic assessment.
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  He had LA on its ear. I mean, he had. 1985 was a year
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  unlike because he began in 84, but 85 is when he went on his
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  spree. And you'll notice like he's
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  operating primarily in the warmer time of the year.
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  And you know, people think it's like LA is not all beaches.
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  When you get out into the valleys it gets hot as fuck.
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  So. And so he if you're targeting in
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  June, July and this is at night, people had all the windows open
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  that's. When yeah, that's when he was.
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  Whereas November through February it.
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  Gets cold and. Absolutely.
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  Then you're going to have the windows closed, you know, So
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  you're right, you know, May through August.
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  September. October's are beautiful.
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  Exactly. So no.
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  And so the first one is a woman named Jenny Vinkow.
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  This guy, he breaks into her apartment.
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  She's a 79 year old woman. So each so so it's Grandma.
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  Like she knows. Yeah.
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  It's like she poses. No.
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  Like she can't even pose a physical challenge.
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  Like, OK, like you're a scumbag. You're going to steal whatever.
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  Any and she can't really even be anything that you'd would be
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  turned on. Well, I guess we can't really
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  see what he's turned on by because of the children.
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  But like, I mean, that's both ends of the spectrum of
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  sickness. Sickness, sickness.
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  And does he assault her too? Yes.
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  And so he brutally attacks her, breaks into the house he doesn't
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  have, he doesn't like this is the opportunity.
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  He's the antithesis of everybody else.
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  He's just grabbing. She goes in, goes in the kitchen
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  drawer, grabs a knife and starts, you know, stabbing the
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  woman. He brutally assaults her like
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  that and physically violates her.
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  I heard to the point I'm almost decapitating.
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  It was so. Gruesome.
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  Gruesome. He leaves.
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  He's covered in blood. Like you can't.
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  Right, you can't. Decapitate someone and not this.
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  He's literally covered in blood driving a stolen car and he's
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  taking driving. He passes right by a police
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  officer, But of course they weren't Privy to what was going
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  on. But it was like later on when he
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  recounts his story, like, yeah, I drove right by the.
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  Pass by LAPD. Covered in blood and, and so he
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  and prior to this, in addition to getting involved with his
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  drug use, he'd gotten involved with Satanism.
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  Oh, OK. And this is really what
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  obviously the situation itself was bad, but then he, as the
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  story progresses, starts engaging in conduct that
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  frightened the living hell out of people because he's tethering
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  it to these demonic presentations and the hyper
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  religiosity that we were talking about earlier from sustaining
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  those head injuries. This is where it comes in.
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  There's plenty of religious people and there's plenty of
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  fundamentalist religious people, but they're not chopping off 79
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  year old women. 'S heads no.
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  And so he's internalized it to a degree where he's behaving as if
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  he's friends with Lucifer. Like this is what Lucifer wants.
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  And so he's. Which intensifies.
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  Intensify out factor. That's why you see such a brutal
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  attack. Now, did he as we chronological
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  chronologically go through, did it always end up as gruesome as
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  Grandma for the most part? Like was he like?
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  Well, there were. Well, later on when he breaks in
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  and stumbles upon a firearm. Who used a firearm like this guy
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  has no forethought. He's the complete opposite of
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  D'Angelo. Complete opposite of you know,
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  the the Hoyerman and then last weeks with keys.
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  This this guy is a had none of these people been home, he'd
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  just ransacked and taken off, stole the watch and.
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  Got the hell out of there. Yeah, and you know, I in
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  preparing these profiles, you know, I go back, I pull all the
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  newspaper articles from the time from that period and you know,
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  got this misconception like this guy was some kind of criminal
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  genius or masterminds. Like what are you talking about?
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  You know, it was a pre digital world, right?
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  LAPD homicide detective has no access to a robbery database in
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  Ventura County like unwittingly he was able to Swart many of the
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  efforts of law enforcement because he was transient and he
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  engaged in this course of conduct over the course of five
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  different counties without any centralized database at this
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  point and. We still lived in the analog.
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  World, yeah. And there was at this point,
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  like there still wasn't even a computerized database that you
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  could access fingerprints. From like an NCIC or anything
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  like there was nothing of that. Manner.
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  And so it was, you know, again, a very different world.
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  I feel like Pete, in today's world, in today's
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  digitalization, I can have anything to you in a matter of a
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  second. If you're a cop in LA and I'm a
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  cop in Indiana, I can literally, literally something to you in
• 21:13
  one minute or less. I feel like that a lot of the
• 21:18
  bad guys we talked about here in Deadly Intentions would not be
• 21:22
  able to do what they did in today's digital world, that the
• 21:27
  technology actually helped them go through all of this nonsense
• 21:31
  because the digitalization hadn't most of them got caught
• 21:37
  once the world. Caught.
• 21:38
  Yeah, once it became digital, right?
• 21:40
  Yeah, he was. He was able to outrun the
• 21:42
  TeleTech machines. Essentially Exactly.
• 21:44
  So we got Jeannie, yes. And he takes a break from June.
• 21:49
  Like of course he's still engaged in his petty criminal
• 21:51
  activity, but the nest events of significance.
• 21:54
  Fast forward the next February. Horrific circumstance.
• 21:58
  That month he harms two children.
• 22:02
  They start snatching up kids. 6 year old girl, then 9 year old
• 22:08
  girl. Now these girls just on the side
• 22:11
  of the road, walking home from school, he.
• 22:15
  The, the, the state of California never prosecuted, did
• 22:19
  not prosecute the abductions of the minors.
• 22:23
  They already had them on 13 adults, adults.
• 22:26
  And they're not going to subject the, the young girls now, you
• 22:31
  know, they were children at the time these events happened.
• 22:33
  Now have to come in and testify as an adult.
• 22:35
  He had a lot of media coverage on this case, like they're not
• 22:38
  going to. But these aren't unaliving.
• 22:40
  These are kids. These are.
• 22:41
  These are assaults. These are essays.
• 22:43
  Or he yes, he's violating them physically right and so he does
• 22:47
  the 2 girls they're not tying it yet this So what happened to
• 22:52
  previous to. Grandma, they're not.
• 22:54
  They haven't tied the two. There isn't a narrative yet.
• 22:57
  Underage sexual assaults of the children.
• 22:59
  Of the children. To the guy who killed the 79
• 23:02
  year. Old Yeah, the near decapitation
• 23:03
  with so. We're still, they're still, they
• 23:05
  still don't have a bearing on who we're dealing with here.
• 23:08
  Sure. And look, he abducted him, did
• 23:12
  what he did, and he freed him. Right.
• 23:15
  That's a different psychological profile than.
• 23:18
  What he did to the 9 year old in Sam Fran.
• 23:20
  Well, that's they still had no idea about yes.
• 23:23
  So now Fast forward now to a month later.
• 23:28
  It is now mid March. And this individual was OK.
• 23:31
  This is the double strike they call it.
• 23:33
  And so in this particular incident, this this is this is
• 23:37
  this is terrible. This is just insanity.
• 23:39
  So, so Pete, Fast forward to March, I think it was the 17th
• 23:43
  or something. I think he gets two in one day.
• 23:45
  Yes, he he ultimately developed an MO where and this was the
• 23:54
  first time he I believe utilized it.
• 23:57
  I don't think he did it consciously.
• 23:59
  I think he just stumbled upon something.
• 24:01
  So in the context of his events with this woman, he does his
• 24:08
  normal. He's going to break in, he's
• 24:09
  going to burglarize, he's going to assault her, but she's got a
• 24:13
  roommate. So he unalives the man.
• 24:15
  He unalives. That's the Dale guy.
• 24:17
  Dale, individual named Dale. He shoots the man, shoots her.
• 24:23
  OK, but she survives. She survives.
• 24:26
  He flees after he's done with his activity.
• 24:30
  Flees, tries to car Jack. Another woman shoots her.
• 24:35
  She shoots her. She touches car Jack.
• 24:36
  The vehicle pulls her out of the car, shoots her, doesn't take
• 24:42
  the car please on foot. How could he not catch this guy
• 24:49
  doing all this? Makes absolutely.
• 24:53
  I mean this is. Makes no sense.
• 24:54
  None. I mean, this is LA.
• 24:56
  This is. Yeah, but I mean a.
• 24:58
  Million eyeballs. Yeah, and it's a it's it's you
• 25:00
  know, you these are just civilians and you shoot a woman
• 25:04
  at her plays you UN alive. Her, her roommate, boyfriend,
• 25:08
  whatever the nature of the relationship was, they were
• 25:10
  living together. Then you just snatch up a woman
• 25:12
  on the street and pull her out of a car.
• 25:16
  And so. How did the woman from the
• 25:19
  carjacking end up? Unalived also a few days later,
• 25:24
  he goes. Yeah, literally 10 days.
• 25:26
  Later, just there's an interim event a few days later he
• 25:30
  abducts another child, 8 year old girl, similar circumstance,
• 25:37
  violates the poor child but then unalives her.
• 25:41
  What? Come on this guys just and now
• 25:46
  you can see he's. He's serial.
• 25:48
  He's. Deeply into whatever.
• 25:52
  And. It might be the satanic Yeah
• 25:54
  this guys horrible. Because he's going from grandma
• 25:57
  to kids. That's.
• 25:58
  The roommate one of the reason why it was difficult for the
• 26:00
  authorities. Not only is he jumping around
• 26:02
  from because. He didn't have a pattern.
• 26:04
  That's right, he doesn't so. They couldn't say, listen, all
• 26:07
  29 year old brunettes watch out because that's what he goes for.
• 26:10
  Because this guy had gone from a kid in San Francisco to a
• 26:15
  grandma in LA to violating a couple kids to a male roommate,
• 26:22
  to a woman driving a car and now a couple kids.
• 26:26
  So like you're, I mean, you literally don't have a profile
• 26:29
  on the guy, do you? As far as who he's going to hit
• 26:31
  next? Yeah.
• 26:33
  No, no, that's just. Men, women, grandma, children.
• 26:36
  So far we got every one. Of those and so from the
• 26:39
  authorities perspective, I'm sure they're not that's of
• 26:41
  course they haven't associated all of this together because
• 26:44
  when the the FBI behavioral profiling unit, they've got a
• 26:49
  technical term for it. That's especially what they do.
• 26:52
  They break it down along the organized disorganized.
• 26:55
  Well, part of that profile is a victimology type of a scenario
• 27:00
  like like, you know, hop a lot of Latinos with big tits and a
• 27:02
  big ass then that's sure. Well, he has Jim.
• 27:05
  That's, you know. He's so far over the road, you
• 27:07
  can't build a profile. That's right.
• 27:09
  So, Pete, let me ask you a question.
• 27:10
  When did the city of LA finally say, OK Houston, we got a
• 27:15
  problem? Well, at this point they were
• 27:17
  calling him the Valley Intruder. OK.
• 27:20
  It wasn't until that summer where he gets the name.
• 27:23
  The Night Stalker, which but they at this point though from
• 27:27
  grandma to the two kids violated to the carjacking to the male
• 27:33
  roommate to the two unliving of the children via an assault.
• 27:38
  Had they at that point, Pete put that all on the same guy Did
• 27:42
  like, were they still No, no. So even up now, we're 4 deep,
• 27:48
  we're 4 deep and they're still not necessarily, you know, we're
• 27:52
  4 deep and they're still not necessarily saying, OK, we got a
• 27:56
  single weirdo out here. So now later that same month,
• 28:01
  this one once again he consistent with his pattern,
• 28:06
  he's doing a break in now. He enters the premises.
• 28:10
  He immediately, you know, the husband's asleep, goes in and
• 28:12
  just analyzes the husband right from the Rep.
• 28:14
  That's for the shotgun, wouldn't it?
• 28:15
  That's he does it with the firearm.
• 28:17
  So he immediately makes entry and he analyzes the.
• 28:21
  Husband, Yeah. Neutralizes the potential
• 28:22
  threat, right. Then he begins assaulting the
• 28:25
  woman. And in addition to physically
• 28:31
  violating the woman he's making, he's making her repeat back to
• 28:36
  him, her his, like, little satanic phrases.
• 28:40
  And so he leaves her after he's had his way and he's ransacking
• 28:45
  the place. She's like, take whatever you
• 28:47
  want, take whatever you want. I mean, just poor woman's, her
• 28:49
  husband's dead right there. Yeah.
• 28:52
  Yeah. You got this crazy strung out.
• 28:55
  Yeah. Physically tall, skinny, you
• 28:57
  know, looks like a junkie, right?
• 29:00
  You know, every, every, every, every woman's dimer.
• 29:04
  Every every woman's dimer. Right.
• 29:05
  Just took his husband, ransacked the place, assaulted her for
• 29:09
  hours, made her recite satanic ritual stuff type stuff.
• 29:15
  This poor woman, right? So then he's going through the
• 29:17
  place and she knew that her husband kept a firearm in home.
• 29:26
  So while Premieres is off doing his ransacking, think she goes
• 29:30
  to grab the firearm, the shotgun?
• 29:32
  OK. So she she draws down on him,
• 29:37
  pulls the trigger. It was unloaded.
• 29:42
  Well, we know what's going to happen here.
• 29:43
  He of course goes. AB flips out.
• 29:46
  Flips the hell out so he. She's done She.
• 29:49
  Shoots her, runs to the kitchen, grabs the butcher knife, you
• 29:56
  know, physically stabbing her, takes the knife, gouges out her
• 30:00
  eyes. In addition to the the gruesome
• 30:04
  nature, the barbarity of the attack on her, now he's taking
• 30:08
  like using her blood to put pentagrams on the wall carving.
• 30:13
  Because she had really irritated him because God forbid that
• 30:16
  somebody tried to fight back. So that really escalated.
• 30:19
  Yeah, this is the mindset. Yeah, This is the, you know, the
• 30:23
  insecurity, the weak bitch. And was this?
• 30:27
  Finally, the case that got them to say, OK, we got.
• 30:32
  We've got an enormous problem because we have an enormous
• 30:35
  problem. Yes, I mean because the one the
• 30:37
  barbarity of the attack. Now, who was it?
• 30:39
  Was it Gates? Was Gates the police chief at
• 30:41
  this time? Sure, but I understand LA isn't.
• 30:45
  Although generally referred to as Los Angeles, the the San
• 30:49
  Gabriel Valley, LA is a collection of four or five dozen
• 30:52
  small municipalities. All of us have our own little
• 30:54
  police. Department and they all have
• 30:55
  their own little police. Department, yeah.
• 30:56
  You know, so there's always Covina Police Department, Covina
• 30:58
  Police Department. And so they're all under the
• 31:01
  rubric of LA County, like the sheriff's help out, but this
• 31:04
  isn't LAPD. Right.
• 31:05
  This isn't LA proper. Yeah, so to speak.
• 31:08
  And this is where the authorities had their first
• 31:11
  break. Oh, on this one.
• 31:13
  Because he had a pair of shoes, Remember, You know, we were back
• 31:18
  in around 1985. Like the cool guys were wearing,
• 31:21
  you know, like maybe the first year of Jordans.
• 31:23
  Yeah. Or the high top Reebok with the
• 31:25
  little straps. Or the K-Swiss.
• 31:27
  Or I don't know, Yeah. And so but he.
• 31:29
  Adidas, He had a Converse. Yeah, Converse have always been
• 31:33
  popular. Fans have always been popular.
• 31:34
  And so the, you know, the authorities are able to take
• 31:38
  what are essentially castings. A shoe print.
• 31:41
  Of the shoe print in order to determine the nature of the
• 31:43
  shoe. Well, he happened to have a pair
• 31:47
  of shoes that were unique. There hadn't been too many sold
• 31:51
  in the LA area, so whether he brought them from, maybe he
• 31:55
  dipped into Mexico and bought them or where he got them from
• 31:58
  has never really been established.
• 31:59
  It's just that there wasn't too many of those shoes.
• 32:02
  But that becomes like a key fact.
• 32:04
  The shoe print. The shoe print because as he's
• 32:07
  engaging in this activity, remember he's prowling, so he's
• 32:10
  stopping and looking in the window, so he's leaving.
• 32:12
  Seeing this common shoe print, this shoe print, that's where
• 32:15
  they start forensically putting this thing together because it's
• 32:18
  not like a converse or a joy. It's something that's it's an
• 32:22
  oddball kind of do do we know the type?
• 32:24
  Do we know the type of shoe? It was it.
• 32:26
  Was called Avia Avia. And so they get there and they
• 32:30
  see what he not only the imagery and the brutality of the
• 32:35
  physical attack upon her, but he's gulged out her eyes.
• 32:38
  He took her eyes with him and put him in like a little jewelry
• 32:41
  box. And he's, you know, they're just
• 32:43
  like, wow, this is this is outside the is on the far end of
• 32:47
  the deviant spectrum. Right, and then used her blood
• 32:51
  to do, you know, Satanic ritual pentagram 666 stuff on the
• 32:55
  walls. And I think that was Vincent and
• 32:58
  Maxine, right? So that Maxine was the one that
• 33:02
  was I think that's. Vincent and Maxine.
• 33:04
  Yep, Yep. And that's where you got into
• 33:06
  the Avia shoe print. And that's kind of their first
• 33:10
  break, you know, as as they're honing in on this bad guy.
• 33:14
  Sure, and so then he end up taking a six week break and in
• 33:20
  conjunction with one of the assaults he had left a another
• 33:28
  part of the feeding frenzy as he had been wearing an ACDC.
• 33:31
  Hat a hat. ACDC.
• 33:34
  Yeah. What's bad about it is he wore
• 33:36
  the hat, but he left the hat dropped off at the site.
• 33:39
  Oh. Oh.
• 33:39
  So the authorities recovered the.
• 33:41
  Hat so they had the ACDC, they had the ACD hat so in the haste
• 33:44
  to him leaving or whatever, it falls off, it falls off so you
• 33:47
  find. It so now he's.
• 33:48
  Now they got the the Ava Ava shoe and the ACDC.
• 33:53
  Hat. Well, the hat was from the
• 33:54
  previous event, so you got the hat on the first one.
• 33:56
  And the shoe print. Now you got the shoe print.
• 33:58
  So now there's the psychological heavy metal guy.
• 34:01
  Yeah, Satan worshipping. But not necessarily.
• 34:04
  I mean, look, foreign nationals, you know, immigrant children may
• 34:10
  not necessarily be the ones that are listening to you.
• 34:11
  You think who's listening to ACDC?
• 34:13
  You're not thinking, you know, some broke paisa that grew up in
• 34:18
  Texas. Some.
• 34:20
  Mexican immigrant who just crossed the border three months
• 34:22
  ago. This, this, this, this.
• 34:24
  This is kind of a way they can start pairing it.
• 34:26
  Down. That's the profile that they do
• 34:28
  to start narrowing. So now he takes a a six week
• 34:31
  hiatus and this is where you got the event with William and
• 34:36
  Lillian Doy. Now we're up in the mid-May.
• 34:38
  Yeah. And I think we're at, you know,
• 34:40
  I hear it. We're at probably just adults.
• 34:43
  We're at 5 now. We're going on 6:00 and 7:00
• 34:45
  here, I think. Similar circumstance breaks into
• 34:47
  the home. Now this is his ML.
• 34:50
  And this is what he does. He neutralizes the man, shoots
• 34:55
  the man in this particular circumstance, right?
• 34:57
  Just like he did before. Before, however, on the second
• 35:01
  attempt, the firearm jams, giving the man just enough time
• 35:11
  to call 911 before he. Gets on alive.
• 35:15
  Before he expires, before he passes away.
• 35:18
  Oh, so this is the first time they've ever got a potential
• 35:22
  witness? Bad guys here.
• 35:25
  So then he has to flee. She survives.
• 35:28
  Right, she probably doesn't get much.
• 35:31
  Right, she probably doesn't get much.
• 35:32
  Well, she has. She's able to provide whatever.
• 35:35
  She doesn't get unalived. No, she's this is his first time
• 35:38
  where they already say OK. This is really the first.
• 35:40
  Trip up. So now, two weeks later, he
• 35:43
  strikes again. He assaults a woman and he
• 35:48
  doesn't I'm alive her, but he spends his time violating in as
• 35:59
  devastating a woman can be violated while her son is there.
• 36:03
  Well, he's got the son in the closet does what he does with
• 36:07
  the with the mother. Of course she's going to do
• 36:09
  whatever she has to do to protect her son.
• 36:10
  Absolutely. And so he's she's telling him,
• 36:14
  take whatever you want, take whatever you want.
• 36:16
  Now he's takes the kid, forces the kid to take him around, show
• 36:18
  them where all the valuables are.
• 36:22
  And so this is a second incident now involving A brutal attack
• 36:28
  where the authorities are getting and a similar
• 36:31
  circumstance where the demonic pentagrams, the, you know, the
• 36:36
  symbology, the statements to her forcing the woman to make like
• 36:41
  satanic cult type phrases. Now he couple weeks later at the
• 36:45
  end of the month. Yeah.
• 36:47
  Another break in two elderly women.
• 36:51
  Like another 79 year old. Grandma.
• 36:53
  Yeah, another another invite with grandmothers, essentially.
• 36:56
  Right. And sisters.
• 37:00
  And he beats them so severely one of them gets unalived in the
• 37:05
  course of his rampage. The other one survives.
• 37:10
  Assaulted. Assaulted and he's, you know, he
• 37:14
  pentagrams now he's like, you know, cutting pentagrams into
• 37:17
  their body, their skin, you know.
• 37:20
  And now we have a common denominator.
• 37:22
  We have like our last three or four have all now.
• 37:24
  Had the satanic the satanic stuff theme.
• 37:27
  Right, right. And so.
• 37:29
  They got to know they they. Another woman who survived.
• 37:32
  Like he's not managing the situation.
• 37:36
  That's why you can see how chaotic he was.
• 37:38
  Right, Ramirez is just running wild.
• 37:41
  He's just running wild. It's like a fucking wild animal
• 37:43
  at this point. Just, Oh my God, you know, Yeah,
• 37:46
  he's. He needs to get high.
• 37:48
  He goes to some neighborhood and just walks down the street and
• 37:50
  he's like going from house to house.
• 37:51
  Any windows open, any screen doors he can pop into.
• 37:54
  And once again he abducts, this time a six year old child.
• 38:03
  So this is now by my by my counts, Pete, maybe child 4.
• 38:07
  Yeah, so like at this point I'm sure LAPD, everybody in our mom
• 38:12
  is going crazy because not only is he unaliving the people along
• 38:15
  with our, but he's armed, he's armed kids like you're just
• 38:17
  snatching of children. He's assault.
• 38:19
  He's. He's assault, violating.
• 38:21
  The worst type of way and he's unaliving them.
• 38:25
  He didn't unalive this child. But this one was 4.
• 38:28
  Yes, this is you know, but. I mean, yeah, but so you're
• 38:31
  you're you're you're taking liberties with this 4 year old.
• 38:35
  You're assaulting him, her and he's 4.
• 38:39
  They're they're 4. It was a, it was a six year old
• 38:41
  child and you know, 6 year olds aren't going to be able to give
• 38:44
  a physical description, but they are going to be able to say,
• 38:46
  well, he had dark hair. Right.
• 38:48
  Or he was tall. Or he was tall, but everybody,
• 38:49
  everybody's tall for a six year old.
• 38:51
  But but you know, like at least is they're going to get some
• 38:54
  idea like is this somehow all connected?
• 38:58
  Now were they Pete, unlike for instance, Lillian who made it
• 39:04
  and then the two grandmas, one of the grandmas who made it and
• 39:10
  then a couple of these people who have made it that didn't get
• 39:13
  put on his on a live count. Would they, were they starting
• 39:17
  to build a rendering as to were they able to start kind of
• 39:22
  dialing this guy in a? Little bit I saw in the in the
• 39:27
  public record there were some photos of like artist sketching.
• 39:30
  Right, because I think I'd seen some renderings where some
• 39:34
  police artist had kind of pared them down.
• 39:37
  But they weren't very, they weren't, they weren't very
• 39:39
  accurate also, and you know, one you're relying on.
• 39:43
  A six year old well. No, with respect to like Miss,
• 39:45
  Miss Maxine over here, you know, she had just, you know, did the
• 39:48
  people had these horrible experiences?
• 39:50
  She had just seen her husband get on a live.
• 39:52
  And now she's had an end in addition to the violation, but
• 39:55
  now she's dealing with all the satanic like like he
• 39:58
  psychologically is tormenting, sure.
• 40:01
  And so the next month and after he does, he does a six year old
• 40:07
  child. Violates the six year old.
• 40:09
  The next day breaks, breaks into a home, splits the woman's
• 40:13
  stroke. This is just that, this at this
• 40:16
  point, he's just. This is just a Wednesday, Yeah,
• 40:18
  for him. Yeah, and so now he's just and
• 40:21
  of course, I'm sure although the record doesn't end the
• 40:23
  Ransacker, so he can go get high.
• 40:25
  Whatever the junkies going to do.
• 40:27
  You move into July. With the the slit of the throat
• 40:31
  she did not alive, she stayed. Oh no, she's on alive.
• 40:33
  Oh, OK. And so he and I'm sure the same
• 40:37
  iconographic is all around. And so now they're going to be
• 40:39
  thinking like, OK, we really have a problem not wanting to
• 40:42
  scare the public. Right.
• 40:43
  But there comes a point where you've got to tell the public so
• 40:47
  they can have a head on a swivel.
• 40:48
  You know, we got a problem here. I mean, there goes a point to
• 40:52
  maybe messing up the integrity of your, of your, of the
• 40:56
  confidentiality of the of, of the investigation.
• 41:00
  But now there comes a point where you have to safeguard your
• 41:04
  community and let them know. Particularly that cause the next
• 41:07
  month is the most prolific and that particular month he had
• 41:12
  five unalivings. In July.
• 41:14
  Yeah, in July the. Next month coming up.
• 41:16
  One attempted violation of a woman, One severe beating in
• 41:23
  which the the victim survived. Two actual violations of women
• 41:29
  or two to me. Two actual additional violations
• 41:31
  of a sexual nature. One of them was with an 8 year
• 41:35
  old boy. He has another incident
• 41:37
  involving a 16 year old girl. And this is literally, you know,
• 41:41
  10 miles from my parents house. He abducts the child, a young,
• 41:44
  you know, young girl, 16 year old.
• 41:46
  Girl. He abducts her, he engages in
• 41:49
  the course of context he engages in and he goes to unalive her.
• 41:52
  Now he's got the tire iron and so he.
• 41:56
  So he essays does an assault. Physically attacks the girl with
• 42:03
  tire iron essays her, and then he goes to an alive her, and
• 42:10
  when doing so he's grabbing the a wire that he uses to try to
• 42:17
  asphyxiate, and in the midst of that event, there's an electric
• 42:23
  shock it goes. Through the wire.
• 42:27
  He, of course, is nuts, as I'll get out at this point.
• 42:33
  He interprets that as a signal from Satan, no, from Jesus.
• 42:39
  Oh, like leave this one. He runs.
• 42:45
  So that's is now she's 16. She's not six.
• 42:48
  Right, so she might be able to give a better explanation.
• 42:51
  So now you start seeing the authorities are able to start
• 42:55
  building a composite. A 16 year old girl could say,
• 42:58
  hey look, he was tall, right? He's taller than my dad.
• 43:00
  Like how tall is your dad? 62, He's your dad.
• 43:03
  So no, he's 64. OK, now you got an idea, you
• 43:05
  know, And so you're able to. From a much more credible.
• 43:07
  Source person yeah you can you know 8 year old 9 year old are
• 43:10
  going to be like oh he looked like bozo, you know 9.
• 43:14
  Year old he was 7 foot tall, you know, because so they get they
• 43:19
  talk to her the 16 year old she makes it and she's the first one
• 43:24
  that can start kind of maybe dot, you know, given the given
• 43:27
  the the the the California authorities some better
• 43:32
  direction as to what the night Stalker Richard Ramirez look
• 43:35
  like now fast. Forward going to August, he
• 43:40
  starts off the month, he shoots 2 more people, they survive.
• 43:46
  Typical burglary shooting. Yeah, they they don't really
• 43:49
  delve, delve too many into the details in these only because it
• 43:53
  was just yet another incident, I have no doubt.
• 43:56
  Just they were just happy they didn't sure it, you know,
• 44:00
  unalived. Couple days later he pivots into
• 44:02
  another circumstance. He used the MO goes in unalives.
• 44:05
  The husband essays the wife and at this point we can only infer
• 44:17
  that, well, one he knew he had to get out of the area.
• 44:23
  The police were frantic. Oh, so he's like, man, LA is so
• 44:27
  high. At this point, you can't.
• 44:29
  You can't have this kind of incident going on every two
• 44:31
  days, the guy. He's got like literally at this
• 44:33
  point he's got. Like he shot, he shot, shot 7
• 44:36
  people in five weeks, right? And you got kids.
• 44:39
  Kids getting a 16 year old Yeah, I know you're.
• 44:42
  Starting to kind of dial you in a little bit.
• 44:44
  So he goes, I think what San Fran back to San, back to San
• 44:46
  Fran, right? Yes.
• 44:47
  So that's where he takes off. He goes back up to San
• 44:49
  Francisco, like put a little and there's a little bit of a
• 44:52
  cooling off period. Right.
• 44:54
  So now he travels up to San Francisco, but the cooling off
• 44:57
  period is much shorter. Before he'd have, you know, from
• 45:00
  June to February, right? Or a six week period.
• 45:04
  Now he literally leaves the the venue, shows up in a new
• 45:10
  geographical venue. And gets right to it.
• 45:12
  It's right to it. So now he gets back up to San
• 45:14
  Francisco transient housing. Of course, he's broke, sure
• 45:18
  wants to get high. So he's going to go do what he
• 45:20
  ends up doing. Similar circumstance.
• 45:23
  There's another one of these events where he goes in this.
• 45:25
  Breaks in. Shoots Mr. Pan critically
• 45:29
  injuries the the wife and Barbara in the course of this
• 45:34
  particular. Well and Pete, you can see now
• 45:36
  this is an actual template. Sure.
• 45:39
  You break in, you kill you UN alive the husband.
• 45:43
  You assault as much as you can the wife you either don't on a
• 45:50
  liver or or apps tried on a liver and ransacked the place
• 45:54
  and get the hell out. Yes, but the authorities haven't
• 45:57
  disclosed information publicly. They know about the AVS.
• 46:02
  They have the Avia shoes. We're like 10.
• 46:04
  Here 9/10. You've got the Avia shoes, which
• 46:07
  is the key fact, which hasn't been disclosed publicly.
• 46:09
  And the ACDC hat. Well, the ACDC hat was
• 46:13
  disclosed. OK.
• 46:14
  That's what started fueling the association trying to blame
• 46:19
  heavy metal, right? But what's significant about
• 46:21
  this event is 2 things. One, you got the shoes.
• 46:27
  And the Avis, the Avia Avia. And the second thing is the
• 46:32
  firearm that he had used in Los Angeles, he had taken it with
• 46:36
  him to San Francisco. So now they got the Ballistics.
• 46:38
  I mean the Ballistics. So now they're able to tie the
• 46:42
  Bay Area event or the Los Angeles event.
• 46:45
  Right. And isn't this the first time
• 46:47
  that they actually the media gave him this Night Stalker?
• 46:51
  This is the one where, one, it becomes the Night Stalker, and
• 46:54
  two, this is what really changed law enforcement in California,
• 46:58
  like you, it wasn't San Francisco competing against LA.
• 47:02
  Like, no, you're going to form an interagency task force.
• 47:05
  You're going to work together, right?
• 47:08
  And. Oh, we have to at this point, I
• 47:11
  mean. Yes.
• 47:12
  And so now where things kind of went off the rail is at the time
• 47:16
  former Senator Dianne Feinstein was the mayor in San Francisco.
• 47:19
  So now here we got the the the LA Night Stalker is now striking
• 47:25
  in San Francisco, San Francisco Bay Area.
• 47:28
  Right. Is in panic.
• 47:30
  The mayor, of course, being a politician, she wants to quell
• 47:34
  public concern. She has a press conference, the
• 47:38
  mayor of San Francisco and the mayor of San Francisco and.
• 47:40
  Dianne Feinstein. At the time and yes, I'm sure
• 47:42
  she releases information that was, you know, confidential law
• 47:48
  enforcement information that shouldn't have been
• 47:50
  disseminated. And she's the one who comes out
• 47:54
  and says, look, we know we're it's the guy from LA and we're
• 47:56
  on it. We're tracking the guy down
• 47:58
  because she discloses the fact that he Avia shoes.
• 48:02
  Oh, so now he's. Well, what you going to do?
• 48:03
  He's going to stop wearing them. So he discovers that all they
• 48:07
  were able to tie a number of these events.
• 48:11
  So what does he do? He goes to the San Francisco.
• 48:14
  He goes to the Golden Gate Bridge and throws him into the
• 48:16
  Bay. Right, of course I'm going to
• 48:18
  get me some converse. Out of physical evidence, that
• 48:21
  was the basis that the authorities were able to use.
• 48:23
  Which was one of their two smoking guns.
• 48:25
  Yeah, because they were able to tie the the firearm.
• 48:27
  So now of course he's going to discharge the fire.
• 48:29
  He'll get rid of the firearm. He'll get rid of the shoes.
• 48:31
  Yeah, yeah. So now the authorities are back
• 48:33
  to square 1. Now we can't have anything else.
• 48:36
  Now we're back to square one, literally and.
• 48:38
  So now it's a it's a matter of waiting for this monster to
• 48:42
  strike. Right.
• 48:43
  And we have to get a whole new set of forensics, shoe prints
• 48:47
  Ballistics because dumbass Feinstein tipped.
• 48:52
  So now, because that information have been publicized in San
• 48:56
  Francisco, now he's got to leave the Bay Area.
• 48:58
  Yeah, he's got to go back to probably.
• 48:59
  LA he comes back down to Los Angeles.
• 49:02
  However, rather than return back to his area in LA County, he
• 49:10
  shoots down into Orange County, which is our, our neighboring
• 49:13
  county just to the South. And so he's doing his prowling
• 49:19
  activity and he's in an area called Mission Viejo, just, you
• 49:21
  know, heard of it. Very very nice area.
• 49:23
  Yeah, very nice. And so he's doing his prowling
• 49:26
  and he's deciding where or not he's going to break into a house
• 49:31
  because you've got the little boy, not a little boy like a 13
• 49:35
  year old boy is in the garage working on his bicycle and the
• 49:40
  father and the mother are home and the kids like hear
• 49:45
  something. And the area that he lived in in
• 49:47
  Mission Viejo was a little bit more on the on the undeveloped
• 49:50
  side. You'll get like coyotes coming
• 49:52
  down. So he was like, so he goes to
• 49:54
  take a look like what's going on?
• 49:55
  And he doesn't doesn't see anything, though He goes back to
• 49:58
  working on his bike and he hears it again.
• 50:01
  And this time he's convinced that there's somebody watching
• 50:05
  him. And so, and he makes a split
• 50:10
  decision to say, you know what? Boom, he breaks into the house.
• 50:14
  The kid does. The kid does.
• 50:14
  He's back in the house. Was able to look out the window
• 50:17
  and he sees a man. He runs of course and grabs his
• 50:21
  father. Like boy says dad, Hey dad, you
• 50:24
  know he's got some situation out here.
• 50:27
  The night Stalker flees and at this point he starts leaving
• 50:36
  behind like a fingerprints that aren't fully developed or that
• 50:49
  aren't where the authority didn't really have a a mechanism
• 50:53
  yet. This is really what drove the
• 50:56
  creation of these like computerized databases in order
• 50:58
  to be able to now, I'm sure the FBI already had this, but at the
• 51:01
  local level. And so the authorities,
• 51:06
  fortunately, Ramirez leaves. He doesn't attack the kid, thank
• 51:10
  God. He gets out of the situation.
• 51:12
  But the previous, a couple of weeks earlier, there'd been a
• 51:16
  break in at the family's home. So the mom's like, you know,
• 51:19
  let's just call it a place. Oh, at at the little kids house.
• 51:22
  Completely unrelated to America. Unrelated, there had been a.
• 51:24
  A Prowl? An actual prowler.
• 51:26
  Sure. So.
• 51:27
  They called the police. These already came out.
• 51:29
  They took a police report like nothing they can do.
• 51:31
  I'm not go ahead. Broken into some guy's house,
• 51:33
  you know, and so, but it was on record, but it prompted the
• 51:36
  family to make a second call. Now what's important is that
• 51:40
  when the kid saw the the man one, there was a little bit of a
• 51:45
  physical description. Right.
• 51:47
  But more importantly, when the guy when the night stalker fled,
• 51:54
  he going out, got into the car that he had stolen.
• 51:56
  Well, the kid ran out, got a make and model.
• 52:01
  This kids pretty kick ass. Pretty kick ass and a partial on
• 52:04
  the license plate. OK, you start to pare down
• 52:08
  process, don't we? But the authorities don't know
• 52:10
  that this. Is the night stalker.
• 52:13
  I think it might be some burglar that was there two weeks.
• 52:15
  Ago yes, that's and so now, a couple nights later, he strikes
• 52:19
  again the night stalker and in this particular same thing in in
• 52:23
  the Mission Viejo area and he, unlike the husband, essays the
• 52:29
  wife of the usual ransacking. Standard.
• 52:35
  This is the first time though, when he.
• 52:38
  Just the bill guy. Yes, and this is this is the
• 52:40
  where he how's the woman after he left her alive, you know the.
• 52:47
  Night Stalker. I think in my notes that I read
• 52:51
  Pete that he forces her to declare her love for Satan.
• 52:55
  Yes. Well, he, he's been doing that.
• 52:58
  He's making. Yeah.
• 52:59
  The he's these are the type of statements he's been doing to
• 53:01
  really psychologically torment for women.
• 53:03
  And he tells her you've been officially served or say you.
• 53:07
  Know yeah, this is yeah, the Night Stalker.
• 53:09
  So one, he's obviously keeping track of the the media coverage,
• 53:11
  right, right. And at this point, once the
• 53:14
  Night Stalker label had been fixed.
• 53:17
  And now he's saying, and she'll report back to the news that he
• 53:22
  said. And.
• 53:23
  Now it's way locked in but. It was in close proximity, the
• 53:29
  situation with the kid. Right, right.
• 53:32
  As far as Mission Viejo. Next thing you know, the kid
• 53:35
  gets a, the parents get a call from the detectives like, hey,
• 53:37
  we want to talk to that 13 year old.
• 53:39
  And so he was able to repeat, repeat the information.
• 53:41
  They actually grabbed a kid and they take him to go find.
• 53:44
  There's like a orange Toyota. And so they had several of these
• 53:48
  orange Toyotas around, like, and the kid and the kid like, no,
• 53:52
  that's not it. No, that's not it.
• 53:54
  That's not it. Well, shortly after the event in
• 53:58
  Mission, VA Hill where he analyzed the the husband and
• 54:00
  leaves the woman alive. And proclaimed to be the night.
• 54:02
  Stalker and proclaimed to be the Night Stalker.
• 54:04
  They found an orange Toyota in the Rampart district of Los
• 54:09
  Angeles. So obviously he drove the car
• 54:10
  back up to LA, ditched the car. He made an effort to try to not
• 54:16
  leave any fingerprints, right. What he failed to do, there had
• 54:21
  been a recent there'd been a new technology that had been
• 54:24
  developed by the Chinese that LAPD had been, you mean the
• 54:26
  Japanese that LAPD had recently begun utilizing.
• 54:30
  And although they were unable to obtain any fingerprints from the
• 54:34
  common areas, the one spot he didn't wipe down Ramirez was
• 54:39
  behind the rearview mirror. Of the car, yeah, because as
• 54:44
  you're adjusting it. Yeah.
• 54:46
  So the authorities were able to obtain.
• 54:48
  Partials. No, a full print.
• 54:50
  Oh a full print from this new tech, not just New Japanese does
• 54:55
  this. Extraction using the the crazy
• 54:57
  glue, right? I think it's still utilizing
• 54:59
  super glue. Yeah, Super glue, whatever they
• 55:00
  do, yes. And so, but that now gave them a
• 55:04
  clear print that they were able to use.
• 55:06
  They were able to feed it to. This is probably where you get
• 55:09
  the FBI coming in because that is a national database and the
• 55:14
  the national database that wasn't expected in 1985 happened
• 55:19
  to have a cut off date of January 1960.
• 55:22
  So like if you go to LA County, if you went to juvenile hall,
• 55:26
  they got your fingerprints. Right clerk starting as.
• 55:30
  Early as 60 January 1960. Ramirez was born in February of
• 55:33
  60. They got him on file,
• 55:38
  potentially. On file, Yes, potentially.
• 55:40
  So now, of course, they, they submit the information, they get
• 55:43
  a large number of potential match, potential matches, but
• 55:46
  now they start winnowing. And so this guy, he ultimately,
• 55:50
  so after Ramirez is done with this particular event in Mission
• 55:53
  Viejo, he leaves, goes out of town, jumps on a greyhound, he's
• 55:56
  gone. As the authorities are able to
• 55:59
  start doing their whittling, they are able to identify him in
• 56:04
  particular. And although I'm sure they would
• 56:08
  normally not do this, given the magnitude of, oh, the severity
• 56:12
  of the body work. Yeah, the fear that this guy had
• 56:15
  instilled, they decided to go public like Ricardo Ramirez.
• 56:21
  Night Stalker. Photo so now it's not a a a
• 56:26
  police sketcher it's in they're able to you know, they got they
• 56:29
  got booking photos they. Got photos of the guy?
• 56:31
  Yeah. Yeah, they got booking photos of
• 56:32
  the guy, and so they were able to now publicize his identity.
• 56:37
  He wasn't aware that this had happened, turns around, comes
• 56:42
  back. He doesn't realize the whole
• 56:44
  city knows Ricardo Ramirez. Yeah, they've had seven days of
• 56:48
  Ricardo Ramirez, a Night Stalker with print Public Enemy #1.
• 56:55
  Yeah, I don't think they mentioned the.
• 56:57
  I'm sure they always wouldn't disclose the nature of the
• 56:59
  forensic evidence, but they identified his photograph like
• 57:02
  we're asking the public's assistance.
• 57:03
  Look for this fucking guy, he comes back from his trip.
• 57:08
  And the I mean, he's terrorizing the two towns now.
• 57:12
  I mean, right. And they know that his whole
• 57:14
  body of work, so to speak, or the majority of it.
• 57:17
  So I mean, he is apps. Everybody's got their head on a
• 57:20
  swivel looking for this. Guy And so when he returns to
• 57:23
  Los Angeles, he unaware that the the city is everybody's looking
• 57:29
  for him. He gets back to LA, he goes to
• 57:33
  get a, you know, like a little convenience market.
• 57:37
  And while on his way, he gets the soda.
• 57:41
  He comes out and civilians see him.
• 57:44
  Sure. And he's in a predominantly
• 57:46
  Hispanic area. And they see him.
• 57:48
  He's our young El Matadore. Matadore the killer.
• 57:53
  Oh, so say it again. El Matador.
• 57:57
  El Matador, right? And so now they're like.
• 58:00
  And the Mexicans in LA, they don't care.
• 58:03
  The men on the street, they don't care.
• 58:05
  It's not the police, it's not the Fed, it's the it's the men
• 58:08
  on the street. This is a working class
• 58:10
  neighborhood. What this is the say it again.
• 58:11
  Say it again, El Matador today, but there you go.
• 58:14
  Cousin, what are you going to do?
• 58:15
  To me, they, they, they start yelling at screaming the men
• 58:17
  common ages are beating. They put it away.
• 58:19
  They the police when they showed up, they had to save it.
• 58:23
  I mean it's. From the Mexican.
• 58:25
  From the men of the city boys. Yeah, they're like that.
• 58:28
  So yes, in fact, I got a great. I'll give it to a.
• 58:30
  Producer of some great St. Justice.
• 58:31
  Yes. And so he, and in fact, there's
• 58:34
  a photograph of him in the back of the cop car, all bandaged up
• 58:37
  and wrapped up because. Because the the Mexican guys,
• 58:41
  they weren't having. It they weren't having it yeah,
• 58:43
  they the. So the like you said, LAPD had
• 58:46
  to save him from the crazy Mexicans that were whipping.
• 58:48
  From the from the people that lived in the community that
• 58:50
  we're not going to tolerate what this guy was doing.
• 58:52
  And so when he's in the back of the cop car when the when the
• 58:55
  authorities saved the scumbag from the the people of the city,
• 58:58
  he's in the back of the cop car in the Mexicanos.
• 59:00
  Yeah, he's like, it's me, it's me.
• 59:03
  He's like, he's just straight up saying he's he's claiming to be
• 59:05
  the night soccer. And in fact, there was a great
• 59:08
  shot send you a newspaper article where it's on the front
• 59:10
  page of the paper and they have a detective walking him out and
• 59:12
  he's like, it's me, it's me. And and of course, it's an
• 59:18
  enormous sense of relief throughout the city.
• 59:20
  Right, Oh my God, you know, so take walk us through then like
• 59:24
  is there much more left after, you know, other than did he did
• 59:29
  he plead to all of them? No, he went.
• 59:30
  He went to trial. OK.
• 59:32
  And so his prosecution, it took four years to get to trial.
• 59:40
  Well, you had a lot of discovery.
• 59:41
  Well, sorry, a tremendous amount of discovery.
• 59:43
  And then, you know, with all the discovery, the the defense is
• 59:46
  going to fight it whether it gets in or not.
• 59:48
  That's. I mean, he's, you know, I'm sure
• 59:52
  he is subjected, subjected to an enormous battery of
• 59:55
  psychological examinations. Sure, exactly.
• 59:57
  And so that entitles. Especially throwing the Satanic.
• 1:00:00
  Version yeah. So that all that all of that's
• 1:00:01
  going to drag out the proceedings do.
• 1:00:04
  You think his defense or maybe you know, did they go with the
• 1:00:07
  insanity deal? I don't know what the nature of
• 1:00:09
  the defense was, but what was most interesting about the the
• 1:00:12
  trial proceedings is he seemed to revel in the.
• 1:00:17
  Stardom. Attention, right?
• 1:00:19
  He'd be in the middle of the courtroom yelling out Hell Hell
• 1:00:23
  Satan to. Acting out.
• 1:00:26
  Acting, you know what I mean? He'd show up with a pentagram.
• 1:00:29
  I got a sender, producer, a photo.
• 1:00:31
  I found one of him with pentagrams on his hands.
• 1:00:34
  Oh yeah, I think I've seen that before.
• 1:00:37
  You know, he's obviously reveling in.
• 1:00:40
  In the exposure. In the exposure, right?
• 1:00:42
  And but what was interesting about the case is, although the
• 1:00:47
  ultimate result is a foregone conclusion, this guy becomes a
• 1:00:50
  little bit of a celebrity. Yeah, much like like the John
• 1:00:54
  Wayne he's. Receiving he's, he's receiving
• 1:00:56
  he there's like 75 different love letters that he's receiving
• 1:01:00
  from women. And of course, now that he's,
• 1:01:03
  you know, I've read a bunch of the articles where they're like,
• 1:01:07
  you know, he was a, you know, a, a good looking or a dashing,
• 1:01:11
  like, what are you talking to? Get some fucking junkies strung
• 1:01:15
  out looking. But apparently for some reason,
• 1:01:16
  there's these crazy psychotic women who fell in love with this
• 1:01:21
  guy. He had supporters coming to the
• 1:01:22
  trial, women dressed all in black, claiming themselves to be
• 1:01:26
  Satanists. All to support this wax yeah,
• 1:01:28
  just. Something Yeah.
• 1:01:29
  He ultimately ended up marrying one of the women.
• 1:01:34
  One of the women what what the The case preceded the trial, and
• 1:01:39
  one of the women on Four years later, one of the women on the
• 1:01:42
  jury falls for him. What wouldn't have been a hung
• 1:01:47
  jury? No, there in the middle of the
• 1:01:48
  trial, she he's making googly eyes.
• 1:01:53
  They've got like this chemistry. So one of the women falls in
• 1:01:58
  love with him. He's got this.
• 1:02:00
  Chemistry thinking he may be able to hang this jury.
• 1:02:02
  Right. In the midst of the trial, the
• 1:02:05
  woman that fell for made us in the midst of the trial, the jury
• 1:02:08
  member, she ends up getting unalived.
• 1:02:13
  Turns out her boyfriend unalived her.
• 1:02:15
  But at the time, people initially didn't know it was the
• 1:02:18
  boyfriend. They're thinking how'd he do it?
• 1:02:20
  He's got people to. Put it on his.
• 1:02:21
  He's got people on the street. Right, he's talking to some wack
• 1:02:25
  jobs on the streets. So now this and this is now
• 1:02:27
  you're thinking, you know, this is like a Manson type situation
• 1:02:29
  where the people were trying to help Manson.
• 1:02:33
  So this rekindles. The whole.
• 1:02:36
  The whole thing, like they're like, it couldn't have been him.
• 1:02:38
  He didn't like the, you know, the authorities like he didn't
• 1:02:40
  leave the jail. He's the boyfriend on a live of
• 1:02:42
  her because he knew she was falling.
• 1:02:43
  For the details are not. Sketchy on.
• 1:02:45
  That yes I know. I tried to find out.
• 1:02:47
  What I mean? Yeah, I can imagine he finds out
• 1:02:49
  that you're on a jury and you fall in love for this guy,
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  right? And so that was the the twist in
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  the middle of the trial, right? His all of a sudden having
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  celebrity status, him having groupies showing up right him.
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  Him falling in love with the juror.
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  The juror falling in love with him, right?
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  Falling in love with another one of the groupie.
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  All of a sudden this guy's getting attention from women.
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  He's walking into the courtroom, He's acting like he's waving to
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  his fans like I'm fucking believe what is going on like.
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  So Fast forward, he gets convicted.
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  He's he gets convicted in the jail.
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  Probably replaced the juror with an alternate.
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  Sure. I think once she gets on a live
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  in the midst of the trial. Right, which is a shitstorm in
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  itself. Which is, yeah, interesting that
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  they didn't declare a Mr. Right. And just say, OK, we need to
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  regroup. Here, like I'm sure the
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  authorities had to go all hands find out what the hell happened
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  because we can't have because now other jurors are going to be
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  frightened. Sure.
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  Like if it's a domestic dispute between her and her boyfriend,
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  that's one thing, right? But if it's unaddressed, if it's
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  tied to Ramirez, now you're scared as hell to you know, So
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  they get, they get through that navigation.
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  And the judge, ultimately they get.
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  He gets convicted and the judge imposes hands down capital
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  sentence. And ultimately, you know, the
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  universe got a little bit of justice because he didn't
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  survive to have the sentence executed.
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  He had a aggressive form of cancer.
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  OK, how old? How?
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  What? How old was he when he died?
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  53. Oh, that's great.
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  Meaning they took them early. Yeah.
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  That's what I'm saying, The universe.
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  Yeah, I had there was a. A small measure.
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  Yeah, a little bit of karma, a little universal karma.
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  There I mean nothing to compare the wow, the tragedy this guy
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  left behind in his wake. Wow, there you have it, the
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  Night Stalker Richard Ramirez on I never and and here's the thing
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  about it, Pete like so I think they got like 12 or 13 on his
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  tab, but I don't think they counted a lot of those kids.
• 1:04:47
  Well, remember, they didn't bring the prosecutions involving
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  the children because they didn't want to have to force.
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  The family to testify. People have to contend with that
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  also. He ended up marrying one of the
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  the groupies and in 2009, a few years before he.
• 1:05:04
  Passed. Before he passed, the
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  authorities were able to link him to the very first one, the
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  little Asian girl, the eight-year.
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  Old in Tenderloin. That's right, 8 or 9 year old up
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  in San Francisco in Tenderloin. So they didn't know Tenderloin
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  until till nearly he was. Because they always prior to
• 1:05:22
  that they started the nice stalker saga with the event in
• 1:05:25
  June of 84 in Los Angeles. Turns out it actually predated a
• 1:05:28
  few months earlier in San, in San Francisco.
• 1:05:31
  And it was when the forensic evidence because up until this
• 1:05:35
  point he has literally groupies are putting money on his books
• 1:05:38
  or sending books. They're they're, they're
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  advocating for his release. They're saying he's innocent.
• 1:05:42
  They're like, are you fucking insane?
• 1:05:43
  You know, these women are just psychotic.
• 1:05:45
  Well, you know, stupid bitches. OK, well, I don't.
• 1:05:47
  I guess you can say it. I don't.
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  Yeah. And so, but yeah, that was like,
• 1:05:51
  unbelievable. These were crazy wack job women.
• 1:05:53
  And so even that was too much for the wife, right?
• 1:05:58
  Like she left him and she left him and divorced.
• 1:06:01
  So he. Got married in prison and once
• 1:06:05
  the wife thought out about the tenderloin.
• 1:06:07
  Yeah, what's the issue involving the the the child?
• 1:06:09
  Because they had recovered like handkerchiefs left from the
• 1:06:14
  scene and they were able to tie the DNA from the.
• 1:06:17
  They had a material rights on that one, yeah.
• 1:06:18
  Because there was two people which caused the little girls
• 1:06:21
  and. So even the crazy bitch that
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  decides to fall in love with him and marry him in prison once the
• 1:06:27
  San Francisco 9 year old came in play.
• 1:06:31
  She's like, I'm out, I'm out. That's too much, That's too
• 1:06:33
  much. She didn't want that on her tab.
• 1:06:34
  Yeah, she's you. Know boy, I mean, I'm sure
• 1:06:36
  obviously she subscribed to the notion that he was innocent of
• 1:06:38
  all the other ones but this is definitive and it's.
• 1:06:43
  Well, good for her I guess. The fact that she even got
• 1:06:46
  together with this guy, I mean. True.
• 1:06:48
  I mean, how flawed, how flawed do you have to be as a woman to
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  want to fall in love with a man that's never going to be able to
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  be free? Man, I can't.
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• 1:07:02
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  We'll have we'll have another one next week.
• 1:07:10
  Maybe, maybe might be might be cartel related.
• 1:07:13
  We got a lot of people reaching out wanting us, Pete to break
• 1:07:16
  the cartel. I feel like our first cartel was
• 1:07:18
  kind of the the the middle portion and now we got to kind
• 1:07:21
  of unwind it and go to the prequel as to how it all.
• 1:07:24
  Started that was that was essentially a case study.
• 1:07:26
  Yes, kind of a. Like let me illustrate to to
• 1:07:30
  this. Like date and like you said, the
• 1:07:32
  the 20s or the 50s or whatever you told me about, you know,
• 1:07:36
  when it when it first started. With the political well, the
• 1:07:40
  drug trade itself began in the 1820s, eighteen 30s.
• 1:07:45
  Or in the 1800s. Yeah, Wow.
• 1:07:47
  But not of course, it's at the time nothing was illegal.
• 1:07:51
  Right, right. You just had to get.
• 1:07:53
  It yeah. And so now the actual advent of
• 1:07:55
  what was considered. Was the early 1900s.
• 1:07:59
  Was it like 19 O 6 was the 1st? Was the first.
• 1:08:01
  These are illegal. Targeting specifically a a
• 1:08:06
  compound in conjunction with a specific ethnic.
• 1:08:09
  That's a couple weeks from now. We appreciate you everything
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  pretty much across the board at Deadly Intentions starring Pete
• 1:08:17
  and I'm the Tagalong Bubba. We appreciate y'all.