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Chris Evert _ Martina Navratilova - _Chris _ Martina_ The Final Set_ _ The Daily Show · Mic Drop Comedy

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  Speaker 1: Oh, we are lucky to have you here.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: And we dress, I think, in the same closet.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we planned it. We planned it. I think you
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  Speaker 1: wear it better. I'm going to be totally honest.
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  Speaker 3: Should I show you my closet? Oh, sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, anytime.
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  Speaker 3: Anytime. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: The two of you defined women's tennis for... nearly two decades,
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  Speaker 1: not just as champions, but as generational greats, as fierce rivals.
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  Speaker 1: At what moment did you two decide that you actually really.
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  Speaker 2: Like each other? Was it love at first sight? That's
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  Speaker 2: not a tennis pun.
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  Speaker 3: I think 2000, no, I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we liked each other from the beginning. We always
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  Speaker 2: liked each other. I mean, yeah. We always liked each other.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we liked each other. We always liked each other. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that wasn't the problem. In the beginning, you
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  Speaker 2: showed us playing doubles, and, you know, I was playing
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  Speaker 2: doubles with her, and I was practicing with her, and
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  Speaker 2: I was eating lunch with her, and we were doing
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  Speaker 2: press conferences together, and we were just together all the time.
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  Speaker 2: And then she started beating me.
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  Speaker 3: Big problem.
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  Speaker 2: Shame on you. I broke up the doubles partnership. And
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  Speaker 2: everyone's like, God. I go, no, no, no. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: break up the friendship. I broke up the doubles partnership
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  Speaker 2: because I felt like she was knowing my game a
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  Speaker 2: little bit too much. And I was getting emotional because
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  Speaker 2: I never like to play my friends or people I
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  Speaker 2: care about. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean. She dumped me.
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  Speaker 1: How did that make you feel?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was hard. Sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: We had no help, we had no, you know, psychologists
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  Speaker 3: back then. We had to figure it out by ourselves. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I cried for about three months.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you did not. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 4: Is that true?
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  Speaker 3: How come you did not?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, just really rub it in.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we had a good time playing together and we won.
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  Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, who am I going
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  Speaker 3: to play with? So anyhow, it was fun while it lasted.
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  Speaker 1: The documentary is so beautiful. It's a beautiful story of
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  Speaker 1: your rivalry that became a deep friendship. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think so often society pits women against one another
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  Speaker 1: when really we're each other's strongest allies. What was that
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  Speaker 1: like in those scenes when you were sitting together re-watching
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  Speaker 1: your matches, now watching back with a different perspective?
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  Speaker 2: You know, for me, emotionally, I had to go back
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  Speaker 2: to that time, which was in the 70s and 80s,
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  Speaker 2: which was a long time ago, obviously. But I really
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  Speaker 2: had to remember how I was feeling and what was
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  Speaker 2: going on in my life, you know, what my mindset
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  Speaker 2: was at the time. When we were playing back then,
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  Speaker 2: it was pretty intense. We always had intense matches because
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  Speaker 2: we were either number one or number two, and we
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  Speaker 2: were always trying to beat each other and get to
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  Speaker 2: the top. But, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: But it's funny because Chris was so much more mental,
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  Speaker 3: I was physical, right? So even watching the match, Chris
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  Speaker 3: is like, oh, what was I feeling? What was I thinking?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, I should have hit that down the line,
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  Speaker 3: you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were, she was, you were thinking about the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The physicalities and the strokes and the shot making. The strategy, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I was thinking more like, you know, I really
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  Speaker 2: should have been a little bit smarter in that point.
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  Speaker 2: And I was thinking psychologically what I should have been
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  Speaker 2: doing differently in my game.
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  Speaker 1: But this is what's so interesting, the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: think so differently, and you're different players in those ways,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why you played so well together when you did,
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  Speaker 1: when you played doubles.
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  Speaker 2: You kind of complemented one another.
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  Speaker 3: Well, doubles is good for that. She did some things better,
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  Speaker 3: I did some things better, and together we were a
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  Speaker 3: pretty good doubles team.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that's what made the rivalry so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, most of you aren't old enough to have
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  Speaker 2: known that rivalry, but.
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  Speaker 3: I see some gray hairs over there.
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  Speaker 2: The contrary. There are, actually. But it was, who are they?
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  Speaker 2: The contrast in style. You know, we're so different. She
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  Speaker 2: came from a communist country, I came from the land
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  Speaker 2: of freedom, and she was a servant volleyer, I was
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  Speaker 2: a baseliner, she was emotional, I was cool and calm.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we were so different that we brought our own,
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  Speaker 2: this is serious, we brought our own set of fans
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  Speaker 2: to the plate. And I think it created more eyeballs,
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  Speaker 2: you know, watching our matches, coming to the matches and
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  Speaker 2: watching on TV. It did.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Chris, you started, you came onto the scene and
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  Speaker 1: took the world of tennis by storm at 16 years old.
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  Speaker 1: which I can't even imagine reaching that level of success
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  Speaker 1: so early on in your life. That couldn't have been easy.
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  Speaker 1: What would you go back and tell yourself if you
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  Speaker 1: could at 16 years old?
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  Speaker 2: You know, and Martina touched upon it. You know, when
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  Speaker 2: you become famous when you're young and you're You haven't
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  Speaker 2: developed your character. You haven't developed principles. You haven't developed
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  Speaker 2: a personality yet. You're not mature. It doesn't lend itself
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  Speaker 2: to really a normal upbringing or a healthy upbringing because
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  Speaker 2: people at 16 were telling me, patting me on the back,
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  Speaker 2: telling me how great I was. And everybody's saying what
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  Speaker 2: you want to hear. Everyone wants to be your friend.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not reality at all. So it took me
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  Speaker 2: a long time to figure that out, to not feel
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  Speaker 2: that I was special. I was just like everybody else,
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  Speaker 2: but it makes you feel like you're special.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you are.
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  Speaker 2: You are special. But so are you, and so are you,
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  Speaker 2: and so are you.
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  Speaker 1: Martina, at 18, you defected from communist Czechoslovakia to come
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  Speaker 1: to America to become the world's greatest tennis player. And
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  Speaker 1: in doing so, you had to make the hard decision
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  Speaker 1: to leave your family. How did you even cope with
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  Speaker 1: that at that time?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think when you're 18, I was almost 19,
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  Speaker 3: you just figure things are going to work out. I
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  Speaker 3: think if I had been like in Soviet Union where,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they would send the whole family to the gulag,
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done it because I would have been
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  Speaker 3: too terrified what would happen to my family. But I
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  Speaker 3: knew Czech Republic or Czechoslovakia and then was different. And
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  Speaker 3: my parents did suffer. My sister then couldn't get into
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  Speaker 3: the school she wanted to go to. She's six years younger.
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  Speaker 3: But overall they were gonna be okay. And I was
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  Speaker 3: able to send them money and help them out that way.
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  Speaker 3: But it was a one way ticket. I could not
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  Speaker 3: go back and my parents couldn't get out. My sister
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  Speaker 3: couldn't get out. So it was four years before I
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  Speaker 3: saw my mom again when she came to Wimbledon and
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  Speaker 3: five years before I saw my sister and my dad.
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  Speaker 3: So that was pretty rough because if I went back
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  Speaker 3: they would never let me out again. So that was
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  Speaker 3: not a possibility. But when you're 19, it's like, ah,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be okay. And it was, but if
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  Speaker 3: I had to do it now, there's no way I could.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about the role that the media
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  Speaker 1: played because you touched on this a little bit. They
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  Speaker 1: really played up the rivalry between the two of you
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  Speaker 1: and played up the drama. Of course, because of that
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  Speaker 1: and because of how talented the two of you were,
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  Speaker 1: what great players you were, it put a lot of
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  Speaker 1: eyeballs on women's tennis and made it what it is today.
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  Speaker 1: But that couldn't have been easy to deal with that
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  Speaker 1: kind of scrutiny from the media.
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  Speaker 2: What was that like at the time? It was tough because,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's tough enough to play each other. We're
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  Speaker 2: like gladiators out there. It's an individual sport. So you're
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  Speaker 2: going for each other's throats, you know. But thankfully there's
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  Speaker 2: a net in between. This is true. But, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the journalists were trying to pit Martina against me and
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  Speaker 2: They were goading us really to try to say something
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  Speaker 2: negative about the other one because they wanted that controversy,
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  Speaker 2: they wanted that drama, they wanted that headline. And we
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  Speaker 2: figured it out and we had a meeting. Marti and
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  Speaker 2: I had a meeting and said, let's talk about this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I didn't say that what was today, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what was in the papers today. And I didn't say
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  Speaker 2: it that way, and I didn't say it, and they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to do this. So we had a talk with them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we go in the press conference and say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, don't try to put words in our mouth, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Martina and I are rivals, but we're friendly, and so
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  Speaker 2: zip it. But we figured it out.
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  Speaker 3: We had no media training or anything like that. We
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  Speaker 3: just want you to be honest. Then you tell them
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  Speaker 3: the truth. Oh my God, that didn't work out so well.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, so we had to figure it out ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: That was so smart for the two of you to
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  Speaker 1: get together and check in with one another.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's what it's... But.
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  Speaker 3: They tried so much to pit us against each other.
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  Speaker 3: And there was enough competition already. It didn't need to
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  Speaker 3: be anything bigger. But they would never do that with
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  Speaker 3: the guys. So again, it was kind of a sexist
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  Speaker 3: twinge to it.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting?
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  Speaker 1: They would never do that.
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  Speaker 2: Go figure. So fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's maybe the only time that that's ever
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  Speaker 1: happened in history.
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  Speaker 2: Ever.
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  Speaker 1: It's so rare to have a friend in your life
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  Speaker 1: who's gone through something so similar to you, both professionally,
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  Speaker 1: and both of you have battled cancer. And I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: to say that you've both beat cancer.
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  Speaker 2: Thank God.
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  Speaker 1: But to have, to be in one another's life and
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  Speaker 1: to be able to lean on each other during those
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  Speaker 1: times in your life must feel pretty, pretty special, pretty cathartic.
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  Speaker 2: We can't get out of each other's way. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's like we, you know, we're together for 15 years
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  Speaker 2: in a rivalry and then we both retire and then
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  Speaker 2: we both get cancer at the same time, you know?
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  Speaker 2: And it's, you know, you say we've recovered, you know, I've,
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  Speaker 2: Mine reoccurred, mine came back a second time two years ago.
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  Speaker 2: So I, Martina's I think pretty much in the clear,
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  Speaker 2: but I've got to get CAT scans every three months
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  Speaker 2: and I don't take anything for granted. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: try to live life to the fullest, but to have
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  Speaker 2: Martina always there for me, you know, I would call
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  Speaker 2: her up if I was really emotional and we'd be
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  Speaker 2: talking about it, and, you know, she was in the
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  Speaker 2: trenches with me, and she was comforting me at very
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  Speaker 2: important times.
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  Speaker 3: We were always there for each other, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: The frog's closer.
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  Speaker 1: Before I let you go, I.
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  Speaker 1: Have this incredibly annoying coworker who's just like, he won't
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  Speaker 1: shut up about tennis.
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  Speaker 2: He's obsessed with tennis.
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  Speaker 1: And I promised him that I would let him come
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  Speaker 1: out and ask you a question. If you don't mind,
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  Speaker 1: would it be okay if I brought him out?
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  Speaker 2: If it's Michael, yeah, we do mind. But let's go
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  Speaker 2: for it. Well, thank you for your time. No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: go for it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, it's okay if I bring, all right.
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  Speaker 3: What's the question?
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  Speaker 1: Kosta, you can come out.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, Kosta.
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  Speaker 2: Kosta, Kosta.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, everybody.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Desi, for letting me come out. Michael, Martina.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Michael.
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  Speaker 1: By all means, pull up a chair.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for letting me crash the interview. You two,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, when do I get to talk to a
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  Speaker 4: Grand Slam champion and two Grand Slam champions? This is
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  Speaker 4: a dream for me. The film, you're both so vulnerable
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  Speaker 4: in it. It's so powerful.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: That's going to help a lot of people. Thank you
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  Speaker 4: for being so open in the film.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: This is like the amount of times I had breakfast
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  Speaker 4: with my family watching them play tennis and now they're
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  Speaker 4: sitting next to me and I can ask them whatever
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  Speaker 4: I want.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty sweet. What do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: How old are you?
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  Speaker 1: We don't have to.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about how old my age is. Both of you
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  Speaker 4: talk a lot about being alone when you are at
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  Speaker 4: the top. Tennis is a very solitary sport. Martina, you
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  Speaker 4: won your first pro event. You didn't even have anybody
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  Speaker 4: to hug. You hugged a pole.
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  Speaker 2: It was a light pole.
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  Speaker 4: A light pole.
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  Speaker 3: Don't go to the light.
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  Speaker 4: Chris, you won Wimbledon and talk about going straight back
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  Speaker 4: to the hotel, laying on the floor and all alone.
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't get up. Couldn't get up.
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  Speaker 4: And you said you talked about being depressed. I wonder
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  Speaker 4: how much that solitude shaped your life post-tennis, if it
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  Speaker 4: did at all, or when battling cancer.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you should be a reporter. That's a great question.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding.
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  Speaker 4: Desi has to ask ten questions.
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  Speaker 2: I just get to ask one.
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  Speaker 3: Or write a book.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wait, he did that already. Do they know that
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  Speaker 2: you wrote a book about tennis? Usually about.
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  Speaker 4: 001 % of people do.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we'll be serious now. Do you want me
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  Speaker 2: to go? Yeah, I mean, what I learned is you
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  Speaker 2: pay a price for everything. I mean, everyone thinks it's
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  Speaker 2: such a glamorous life and you're making money and you're
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  Speaker 2: traveling and all this, but you have to sacrifice, you
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  Speaker 2: have to give up things. And I think I gave
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  Speaker 2: up friendships and relationships in the beginning. I felt like
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  Speaker 2: I was married to my tennis because I had to
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  Speaker 2: put everything emotionally, mentally, and physically into my game. Martina
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  Speaker 2: had the edge physically. She was the most phenomenal athlete.
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  Speaker 2: As you could see, she was athletic, a lot more
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  Speaker 2: athletic than I was. But so I had to use
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  Speaker 2: my head. And I realized in 76 when I came
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  Speaker 2: home back to my hotel room, I couldn't get off
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  Speaker 2: the floor because I felt so depressed and I felt
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  Speaker 2: like that was the defining moment of my life. I've
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  Speaker 2: got to go back and really start to get some
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  Speaker 2: friends and work on friendships because I was working too
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  Speaker 2: hard on tennis and nothing else. That's my story. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing that. But Martina has the pole, Hildor.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what to say.
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  Speaker 2: Hugging the pole. Come on, why'd you.
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  Speaker 4: Hug the pole? Did the solitude of tennis shape you post-tennis?
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  Speaker 3: I think what shaped me was growing up in a
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  Speaker 3: communist country. You just get on with it. You don't
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  Speaker 3: have that many options. And so you just deal with
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  Speaker 3: whatever's in front of you. And now I come to
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  Speaker 3: America and it was like Alice in Wonderland. I'm free,
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  Speaker 3: I can speak, I don't have to worry about anything.
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  Speaker 3: And so that made me feel not alone because you
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  Speaker 3: didn't have to worry about everything. But then the hugging
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  Speaker 3: pole thing was, this is in 1974, I was still
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  Speaker 3: playing for the Czech Federation. I had the $ 17 per DM.
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  Speaker 3: I won $ 10, 000, but I had to give it back
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  Speaker 3: to the Federation. But I didn't care about it because
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  Speaker 3: I won the tournament, but I was alone, this is
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  Speaker 3: in October, and I wanted to hug somebody and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know anybody. I wasn't gonna hug a stranger. So
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  Speaker 3: I hugged the light pole that was next to the
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  Speaker 3: umpire's chair.
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  Speaker 2: Can you find a tree somewhere?
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  Speaker 3: There were no trees. I would have preferred hugging a tree.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry it wasn't there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, so.
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  Speaker 2: You know what? We'll give you a hug. Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Give Martina a hug.
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  Speaker 3: No more hugging.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: No more hugging.
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  Speaker 2: You deserve to be hugged.
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  Speaker 4: I want a hug, Martina.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: That's the hug you deserve after winning.
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  Speaker 2: I'm giving you a hug.
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  Speaker 3: No hug from Chris.
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  Speaker 1: We are so inspired by the two of you. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being here. Thank you for sharing your story.
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  Speaker 1: You're inspiring us in all things success and friendship. In fact, Costa,
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  Speaker 1: would you like to be my friend?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I would love to be your friend.
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  Speaker 1: Chris and Martina, the final set reviews on Netflix, June 26.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Everett and Martina Navratilova.