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- The Permission Slip - S1-E5 Lindo === Matt Kosterman: Hi, my name is Matt Kosterman. I'm a 56-year-old white guy living in Chicago, Illinois. For the first 50 plus years of my life, I didn't think I was allowed to be here, not just here in Chicago, but here on earth in a body. I suffered from depression for most of my life. I smoked my first joint at age 11 and had my first drink of southern comfort straight from the bottle at age 13. While the cannabis never really took hold as an addiction, I drank alcohol for the next 20 years, many times to excess. In 1998, I began psychotherapy, and in the year 2000 I started on antidepressants. I spent 12 years on them in 15 years in traditional talk therapy. Meanwhile, I built a successful business, became a father to two amazing girls, and rehabbed an old house in a nice suburb. I did all the things. In 2010, I went through divorce, foreclosure, and bankruptcy. Fun times after much flailing about, I got my head on straight in 2015, only to begin experiencing severe chronic pelvic pain along with fibromyalgia. I spent nearly three years in the western medical system trying desperately to heal in 2018. Out of money and out of patience. My healing journey really kicked into gear after my first magic mushroom trip. The years since have been an amazing and challenging ride. I've traversed the physical and not so physical worlds and been fortunate to work with many, many talented healers. As a result of all my efforts, I now find myself in a place of receiving contentment and prosperity, the likes of which had alluded me for most of my life. There's a man named Darrell Anka, who channels a being called Bahar. Bahar describes the process of engaging with a healer that, of giving yourself what is essentially a permission slip to move towards wholeness healing and right relationship. This podcast is an effort to share some of what I've learned and introduce you to some of the people in ways that literally gave me what feels like my permission slip for existence. It's also an effort to continue to spread the word. That the traditional Western medical system, while effective for a great many things, is not necessarily the be all, end all solution to every health problem, especially when the problem may be more spiritual than it is physical, as it was in my case. Thanks for joining me. I hope you enjoy it. Please like, subscribe and do all the social media things that help spread the word, share these links with people directly in your community. It is my sincere hope that you and others will benefit from my experiences. I'm here today with AIA Lindo and we are going to talk about, as usual, all things consciousness. Alefiyah Lindo: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: Um, so. AIA and I recorded this once before, but we had some technical issues and so we're doing it again and it's gonna be even better. Soia, thanks for being here or me being here with you. Thanks for making time. Alefiyah Lindo: Well, thank you for inviting me onto this podcast. Um, I'm really excited about our upcoming conversation. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, me too. So, um, why don't you tell people about what it is that you do currently and then we'll go into deeper. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. I currently practice as a transformation coach, and I work with Subtle Energy to help people release stock patterns Matt Kosterman: and how And yeah. And how, and, and tell us a little bit about how you do that. Alefiyah Lindo: So, I have a background in psychotherapy. Um, and I bring that into my practice where, um, I use the mind, uh. To identify through cognitive behavioral therapy and, and tools like that, uh, what the belief systems are. And so we're really kind of looking at, well, I kind of, let me back up. Um, I look at the physical body as energy. So we're, we're, we're made out of energy and as energy all around us. And what I'm learning is we have these fields of subatomic particles that surround us. Some people call it as, call it, um, the ORIC field. And what I've learned recently is how to access that ORIC field. And so when we're, when I'm working with someone, I am, uh, looking at the layers that kind of surround us, um, and bring, uh, that into our physical experience. Matt Kosterman: So you're, you're an intuitive both on the energetic level and on the visual level, you're actually able to see. The ORIC colors, the ORIC field. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. So it's, uh, not only visual, but I have, um, a sense of it so I can feel the information mm-hmm. Coming through. Mm-hmm. So it's a knowing. Mm-hmm. Um, prim primarily it's, uh, seeing, hearing, and knowing. Okay. Those are the three clears that I, I use on a regular basis. Matt Kosterman: And, and it sounds like from our conversation earlier, that the seeing is a newer one that you're developing, or, or no. Or you're, uh, Alefiyah Lindo: it is, well, in the last few years when I, so I re I, I didn't always realize that I had these, this ability to work with energy. And so when I started exploring this, um, it. So being a psychotherapist for 20 years, and then I got into the world of Lympho lymphatic system. Okay. So I got trained as a lymph node, a release therapist, and then that led me into the world of fascia. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And Alefiyah Lindo: so as I'm kind of working with these different modalities, it opened me up to the, the subtle energy that surround us, surrounds us. And so, um, I have a good sense of what that feels like under my fingertips as I'm working with someone, but it's also a, a, um. A visual that, that appears in my mind's eye is the best way I can describe it. Sure. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yeah. So let's, let's back up even further. So you were a psychotherapist, and I believe you said before that a social worker, a clinical social worker. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Yes. And before that I was, uh, in, in business management. So I was in the marketing world. Okay. Okay. For a hot second. For a Matt Kosterman: hot second. Yeah. I can relate to that. Having come through that, that world and, and what's, take people sort of to your, your origin story. Um, I think a, when I started working through my trauma, I had this sense that I was the only person in the world that had trauma. Right, right, Alefiyah Lindo: right. Matt Kosterman: And I was weird. And, uh, come to find out many years in that no, pretty much everybody has some, some kind of trauma. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And so what, what was your, what were your. Alefiyah Lindo: Well, that's an interesting point, uh, that you bring up that, you know, there's this history of trauma. I truly, at this point in my life, believe that we're all walking trauma responses, uh, whether it's a big one or a small one, but that's really kind of, um, our way of navigating the world, so to speak, until we recognize that's what was going on and we choose something different. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Um, so for me, I, uh, was born in India. I grew up in Dubai, um, did my middle school there and high school. Um, and I moved, moved around right after that. So it's a lot of, you know, going back to India for a few years of college and then moved, um, to Europe and then made my way to the us. Um, so there's been a lot of, a lot of movement, um, as far as. Calling a place home. Yeah. So that was one of the things, the startings of that, where I really ne I never felt like I belonged anywhere. Matt Kosterman: Sure. Alefiyah Lindo: Um, Matt Kosterman: and you were a woman in the Middle East. Alefiyah Lindo: That's right. Yeah. Right. Uh, and so when you're Indian in say the Middle East, uh, you're not really considered an equal. Matt Kosterman: Mm. Alefiyah Lindo: And being female had, you know, it was almost like that was the other piece that added to it. So not only did I not feel like I belonged, I was discriminated against. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Constantly less than Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yes. Alefiyah Lindo: And so I knew from from the get go that I needed to get out of there Sure. The minute I could, so I did. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so just growing up, uh, with a lot of insecurities of who I was as a person, um, and I think maybe that's why I got into the, the world of social work is I needed to, um, help and make it better for those around me that couldn't maybe. Do it for themselves. Matt Kosterman: So you had, but you had done a short stint in business and realized that, that that was not your calling? Alefiyah Lindo: No. Very, very quickly. Very quickly. And it was very fascinating 'cause I was 22 or 24 when I reached a point of, well, it was also an organ company that I worked for, and they went outta business. And so I was in this position of transition and I, I kind of think back on my, my 20 some year old self when I asked myself this question, what would I wanna be doing 10 years from now? Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And, um, and asking that question, I was like, I just wanna help people. Matt Kosterman: Mm. Alefiyah Lindo: And that's what helped me transition to go back to school, get my master's in social work. Matt Kosterman: Ah, okay. Alefiyah Lindo: And, uh, started this, this journey. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. It's interesting, right? I, this has been coming up for me a bit lately. It's, you know, they we're, we're told that we need to be in the now and think about what's going on in the now. And you also have to sort of look at. Where do I want to be? You, you, you may not get to that place. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Um, but where do I want to be X years from now? Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And so this was when in my twenties, I'm turning 50 this year, and I have a, a different perspective on that. What I do now is what would my highest self look like? Mm-hmm. Or what is, there's a desire that I'm experiencing right now, how would my highest self, um, enact that? Or how would my highest self, um, either, uh, carry myself or, um, what would I be eating or drinking? You know, that. Mm-hmm. That's really kind of where I'm at, but I still, so it's, it's, it's almost like I do something very similar that I did back then. Matt Kosterman: Different, but just at a, at a different perspective. Yeah. Deeper level. Yeah. Almost the, um, uh. I follow the teachings of Mcil Aek through Paul Sig, and they talk about the braiding of the wills. Mm-hmm. Like there's this personality self that has a will that I want to buy a new car. Yeah. I wanna live in a house. And then there's another aspect of you that has a will. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Yeah. But I think there's, the way I think we, we need to bridge those two. Yeah. Really that's, yeah. The braiding of the bring bring bring Matt Kosterman: them together. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: And as, as, as we kind of braid these two worlds together, we realize that our desires in this current dimension is really our soul's calling. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And they're, and they're valid. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. And, and that's, that's the point, Matt Kosterman: right? 'cause there's, there's also a, there's also this strain of like, reun it, right, right. Where you can, you know, go the priesthood or the monastery or the right monk ship, whatever you, you know, right. And, and go into renouncing all material things. Right. And we live in a material world as Madonna taught us. Alefiyah Lindo: Right. Matt Kosterman: Many years ago. Alefiyah Lindo: And so my, my, you know, initially I started off, um, my, my spiritual, my journey, my spiritual journey started when I was 19 and I started doing yoga and I took Iyengar, B-A-S-S-K-A anger's first book. Matt Kosterman: Oh, wow. Alefiyah Lindo: That's deep. Uh, and I just started practicing on my own. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Alefiyah Lindo: And so that was the beginnings of my journey. Fast forward into my twenties, uh, that's where I also met my husband at a Buddhist temple. And so I was kind of practicing Buddhism for a while Matt Kosterman: mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And doing a lot of meditations and a pasta retreat and all that good stuff. Yeah. And it was almost like I had to be austere. I had to kind of sit in an, in meditation for an hour and, and not move. And, um, what I'm learning now is it's more of a dance. It's, it's a balance where you're not, where you're really kind of recognizing what is, what, what, what brings me into alignment. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And, and keeping me out of my. My mental construct. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. I've just, I, I also did a APA in a retreat in 2016, and just this last weekend I returned to, I was gonna do a, a full day retreat down on the University of Chicago campus, and I opted to do a two hour, I've, I've been working to sit more and, and it's very challenging for me mm-hmm. To sit. Um, and I don't know if that's good or bad, but It is. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Well, I, I, you know, I, because I've done it and I've done the hour long sits and felt a lot of pride in that, I'm realizing that it's not about the sitting necessarily, but it's, it's about going inward. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And, and creating silence there Matt Kosterman: and, and going to the observer space. Yes. Going to the wi to the witness. Yes. And, and watching the monkey mind go dancing around. Alefiyah Lindo: Right. So it's not about stopping thought. Matt Kosterman: Right. And that was my going into vipasana for anybody who thinks, who has that on their, you know, agenda. You're not likely going to stop the thoughts. Alefiyah Lindo: Right. Matt Kosterman: Um, I had one, I had one experience, a brief experience of that with my coach years ago, Melissa Ford. And she took me through a guided thing where I literally experienced my thoughts as little snakes and they like all disappeared into the corners and Alefiyah Lindo: Oh Matt Kosterman: wow. And for just a short time it was blank. And I thought, oh, I'm gonna go do Vipassana. Alefiyah Lindo: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: And get to this place again. Right. Yeah. Seldom get to the same place twice. Yeah. And the mine never stopped, although it was a very beautiful experience even though the mine did not stop. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and I kind of look at life as, uh, a constant expansion and contraction. And so we may want to contract and come kind of come inward, and then we take that and you bring it back out into your external world and you come back in. So it's, it's almost like we're, we're expanding our consciousness and contracting it. Matt Kosterman: Right. And, and seldom is because the universe is expanding my experience. Seldom is the contraction. Does it take you back to less than the last expansion? Absolutely. Like you're always expanding. Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, yes. So think of it as maybe two steps forward, one step back. Matt Kosterman: Right. Or a half step back. Half or a step and three quarters or whatever. But it's never two and a half steps back. Although it might feel like it is. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Matt Kosterman: Um, I've had that experience many times. I, I'm, yeah. Where you think, oh, the expansion stopped. Right. But it never really stops. Right. So impressive that you got into yoga through Iyengar's book. 'cause I bought it and it was so dense, I just was like, oh yeah, this is not my mm-hmm. That's just not my thing. Um, so. So yoga, meditation, business world, calling to help people. Um, got your, so you, uh, LCPC or what, what was the, uh, Alefiyah Lindo: L-C-S-W-L-C-S-W Matt Kosterman: social related, right? Alefiyah Lindo: It's licensed clinical social worker. Matt Kosterman: Um, and what was your experience with, um, between the meditation and the yoga? Did you feel like, I think what are the, the, what are the samsara suns scars? What are the, you're popping mm-hmm. In meditation. Did you, did you feel like you cleared a lot through the yoga and the meditation or where, where, where did you feel like you started to really come into alignment? Was it, what was the catalyst? Alefiyah Lindo: Um, I think it was the energy work that I got into the energy work. Mm-hmm. So later, so later, like five years ago. Matt Kosterman: Oh, okay. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. So in my forties and, yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Sure. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. I reached so. It feels like I have always been a seeker, constantly looking for how to improve. In the beginning it was how do I improve my health? So my background, my pa my mom really raised us as, um, from a holistic mindset. So if you were sick, you would kind of use a natural remedy for a cold. Um, or if you had leg pain, she'd wrap some sort of, uh, you know, salve and put a, put a bandaid around it. Um, and so it was almost, that was kind of in, you know, that was my mindset that I can find my body can heal itself. Mm. Um, I, I mean, these are my words now, but I think back then it was a known feeling that my body can heal my itself. I just need to provide it. The support, Matt Kosterman: the, the time, the space. Mm-hmm. The rest. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And I, so I spent a lot of time, um, in the world of eating healthy and fermenting foods and being vegan and all kinds of stuff. Um, later to realize that. Those were all kind of ways to stretch my physical body. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And then coming to a realization that none of those are just the path. Right. The only, the only way, the only path. Sure. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, Alefiyah Lindo: yeah. It, it's, we, each individual, I think we have to find what brings us into balance. And that cannot be, um, what society says is, is the thing to do. Matt Kosterman: And it can change Alefiyah Lindo: and Absolutely. And Matt Kosterman: it does. And it will change. Yes. There's, for most people, yes. Maybe there's people who can be vegans for their whole Yes. Life. And it works. I mean, I, similar to you, I've tried a lot of things. I tried veganism for three plus years. Mm-hmm. Wasn't in alignment. Yeah. Was carnivore for three plus years that brought me to back to health. And then, then that's falling away. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Yeah. And I think it all kind of, uh, stems from really recognizing what is the belief that I hold that's driving my life. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And so for me, when I was. Up until not too long ago, it was, I, um, need to attain these states of consciousness. Mm-hmm. Or I need to, you know, experience enlightenment is the end goal. But because I have a daughter, I was like, you know what, I'm gonna put that off for a while, but I still meditate and be, and the way I meditate was I have to meditate a certain way. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: Because that's how I'm taught is the right way to do it. Not realizing that I have the potential to find my, my balance. And so I, I don't meditate the same way anymore. I no longer sit for an hour without moving. Mm-hmm. I may move, I may, I may lay down. Um, my new thing is I, I like sensory deprivation, so I will, uh, put an eye mask on. I, I. Really looked down on eye masks in the past. Oh, oh, did you really? Matt Kosterman: Oh, interesting. See, that's Alefiyah Lindo: not a, that's not how you meditated. That's cheating. That's cheating. That's cheating. Matt Kosterman: What would go, what would goenka say? Right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Do eye mask. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Uh, have you tried the, the, the float tanks before? I have, yes. How do you like those? Those Alefiyah Lindo: are great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't need them anymore in the same way, because I can get into that quiet. So the, the reason why I like the sensory deprivation is to kind of remove external stimulus. Matt Kosterman: Sure. So you put your plugs in or headphones or I don't, no. I just put you able to block it out. Alefiyah Lindo: Put I eye mask because I'm visual uhhuh so I can put my eye mask on and I'm still seeing. Matt Kosterman: Okay. If that makes Alefiyah Lindo: any sense. It does, it does. It blocks out the, the, the, the white light from the outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I don't, I don't see anything in my mind's eye, but blocking the vision definitely helps 'cause so much is coming in mm-hmm. To my field. So, um, so you worked for years with. With clients with, you know. Oh, yes. You were a caseworker for Yeah. Social work with, with the state or, yeah, Alefiyah Lindo: with the state I worked with. So I specialize in child and adolescent mental health. So I started there and I worked with, uh, families and the foster care system and all that good stuff. And then I became a therapist. Um, did a lot of family systems work within the world of therapy. The internal family systems. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: And so I was in private practice for a very long time. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. How long were you in the, in the state system? In the, in the social work? I wanna say five years. Okay. That's, and what would you equate that to in, in dog? I mean, that's gotta be intense. Alefiyah Lindo: It is, yeah. And I, you know, when I think about when we driving, like I worked in the Cabrini Green area when really, when it was called CAB in the west side of Chicago. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Um, I worked at, uh, proviso East for a little bit. It's Uhhuh, it's, it's, you know it Matt Kosterman: in, in Maywood. In Maywood, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Um, and I worked in the Evanston area as well, um, with a company called House Calls Counseling, where we did, uh Oh, you worked Matt Kosterman: with Billy? Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. You know, Billy Matt Kosterman: Billy was my first therapist. Alefiyah Lindo: Oh my gosh. Oh my God. That's hilarious. Just figuring that out Matt Kosterman: now. Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, wow. Yeah. Billy Matt Kosterman: Kaplan. Hi, Billy. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: So you traveled around? Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Oh, amazing. What a, so, Alefiyah Lindo: I, I, I was driving around. Yeah. What Matt Kosterman: a small world. Alefiyah Lindo: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. That was how we came to, to my former wife and I. She found him, it was my first therapist. She had tried to take me to a therapist in Rochester, New York. 30 some years ago, and after 10 minutes the woman wanted to put me on Prozac. And I'm like, get the fuck outta here. You're crazy. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: But then it was appealing 'cause we had a very busy life and Billy would come to us in the West Loop. Alefiyah Lindo: That's great. Yeah. Um, Matt Kosterman: yeah. Funny. Okay. Alefiyah Lindo: Small world, six degrees they say. Right? Yeah. Not even Matt Kosterman: two. Two maybe. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Um, so you traveled out doing that and then you decided, okay, I've had enough of this, I'm gonna go into private practice. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah, and it's all, I think it, it just feels like from the get go, I had this inner calling for different things and I followed that. Mm-hmm. But because my, um, conditioning was so strong that I didn't allow that to, to flourish. Mm-hmm. I kind of ca put a cap on it for the most part. And, and, um, function from how. Dutiful Yeah. Matt Kosterman: What you were supposed to do. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Yeah. So, um, and Matt Kosterman: was the move into to psychotherapy from a duty or, or from an inner calling? Alefiyah Lindo: Well, if I, like, Matt Kosterman: if you, if I was really Alefiyah Lindo: honest, I think it was, um, I've always had, I was, I've always been interested in how the brain works. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Alefiyah Lindo: So, ever since I was very young, I wanted to do biology and psychology, but I didn't have the grades in school, so I couldn't do biology or become a doctor or any of that. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: And so then I, I did, I, I ended up in, you know, kind of meandered my way around and, and then finally ended up doing mental health. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And now you're accessing the brain in a Yes. In a Yes. The mind and the brain absolute in a totally different way than a doctor would. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And I'm so grateful that that was my journey because, um, I think this was the fast route to where I'm at. Mm-hmm. To what I, what my, my, you know, soul's calling was. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. So, Alefiyah Lindo: initially, so to go back to your question about, uh. You know why I did this. I think it was initially to help others and not knowing that I was actually helping myself. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: Uh, Matt Kosterman: yeah. Which is ultimately, I think why so many people Alefiyah Lindo: Right. Matt Kosterman: End up, you know, they have some, they either have some kind of an opening and then they want to help others or through their own work on their trauma, they realize that it's helping others. That helps. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. And so I'm in a very different mind space now where I no longer have this desire to fix or heal anyone. And that's really where I was. Mm-hmm. And I've moved into really coming into alignment for myself and then allowing my life to unfold and just kind of enjoying that and, and if, if in that process I am helping someone, that's exciting, but that's really not my intention anymore. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Speak maybe to this idea. Um, 'cause I have my own ideas on it, but you know, that we have a purpose Right. In our, in our life, and we have to fulfill our, our, we have to find our purpose. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Like Matt Kosterman: singularly, like, there's a purpose. Alefiyah Lindo: Right. Matt Kosterman: And what are your, what are your thoughts on, on that? How does that inform your life? Alefiyah Lindo: Well, it's interesting because I, um, I think I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what my purpose was. And, um, being a therapist, I reached a point where I didn't find myself in great mental health. I was not happy, um, as I thought I should be being a therapist and not feeling that joy that I'm trying to help others. Very, very low place in my life. Mm mm As, as you can imagine. Mm-hmm. You know, that's, that's, that's your line of work. Matt Kosterman: Well, you're in it all day. You're in the. Right. The muck. Alefiyah Lindo: Right. And it's not only the muck, it's if I can't help myself, I felt like a fraud. Mm-hmm. Let's put it that way. You know, the, the Imposter syndrome. Imposter syndrome. Um, where if, if I can't feel excited all the time, how am I helping other people? Matt Kosterman: Sure. Alefiyah Lindo: Um, and so, sorry, I lost my train of thought. Matt Kosterman: We were just on like the purpose and Oh, purpose, yes. Yeah. And, and like finding one's purpose. You thought your purpose was, I need to help other people. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And so when I entered the world of energy and understanding energy intuition and energy medicine and, and subatomic particles and the quantum field, I realized that the purpose is, is within each of us. Like it's, it's already there. Um, and it's, it's a soul's calling. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: And so. It's not something that's outside of us. We're, and so that was my seeking journey in the past. Right. I, my purpose is to save people, or help people, or help them feel better. Mm-hmm. Um, but when I worked with energy, I realized that my purpose is really coming into alignment. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And, and, and from that space, what happens is we find how we want to manifest in this world. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And so, in a nutshell, that is, that is our purpose. And, and from my perspective, Matt Kosterman: yeah. A hundred percent, um, Alefiyah Lindo: to come, once we bring, bring ourselves, each one of us into alignment, then our, our life will unfold. And, and focusing on each moment is really the purpose. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: So I don't really, I no longer think of it as this one big thing that's out there that I need to go and aspire to or, Matt Kosterman: yeah. And that's, and that was where I was. I thought you were gonna go and I, yeah. Yeah. My. The, the, my learnings as well over the past 10 years is that, Alefiyah Lindo: and I have to be very honest that right now, ever since I have worked with this world of energy, and I've really come into this alignment for myself, this is the happiest I have been in my life. Mm-hmm. I have so much joy Matt Kosterman: mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And happiness, uh, for no good reason. Right. It's, it feels like it's not, not that for no good reason because I have so much to be thankful for, and I have, um, so many supportive people in my life, my family, um, friends. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's, there's so much going on, but I think it's almost like you attract that into your life. Matt Kosterman: Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. So you at, so you were, so the, the mechanics of it where you were in, now you're in private practice and then, and did you all of a sudden hang up a shingle and say, I'm doing energy medicine now, or, Alefiyah Lindo: it was so, absolutely. It actually kind of, I had to really work through my own insecurities. Sure. Um, of. Taking myself off of Psychology Today, which is a listing where people find therapists. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, okay. So that was a big step for me when, and, but it was, it was in that moment that I decided that I, I have to create this transition. I cannot be a therapist and an energy intuitive at the same time. Matt Kosterman: Mm. Alefiyah Lindo: Because the models are different. Mm-hmm. It, it was creating a paradigm shift. Mm-hmm. And so, um, it was one of the most scariest things I've done. Mm-hmm. Because that means if I, if I no longer am available, visible to the world, how are they gonna find me? Right. And if I'm no longer a therapist, what am I, Matt Kosterman: what am I? Who am I? Alefiyah Lindo: How, how do I practice? Yeah. Matt Kosterman: What's the mask that I'm putting on now? Alefiyah Lindo: Right. But, so it's one thing that I've learned is it's really following the breadcrumbs. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: And it's about trusting. Trusting that the universe has your back. And those were the few things that for some reason, I was able to adopt those values. Uh, and that made it a lot easier. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: So I didn't exactly know what was gonna happen or what the next steps were, but I knew that I could no longer function as a therapist. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Interesting. So did, and how did you feel about WW Where, where was your, where was your nervous system in all this? Right. Because we, I, I see. When I work with people, you can, and, and in my own work, you can say trust and you can, but if your body is saying no. So did you feel like you had be, because of your work with yoga and with meditation, you had pretty much Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Calmed the body and the nervous system? Alefiyah Lindo: Absolutely. Yeah. I didn't have a lot of the fight or flight. Yeah. It, it wasn't as overt as it had. As it had been. As it had been. Yeah. Uh, and. Hindsight when I look back and as I was, you know, in the past when I was meditating and sitting there in, you know, one hour long meditations, you would think my heart rate would be lower and my body would be in a relaxed state. Um, I thought I was, but I now realize that I wasn't because I, I, you know, I, I had a very long labor with my daughter. Matt Kosterman: Mm. Alefiyah Lindo: And it, and it, and as I look back on it, it seems like my entire body wasn't, was in a contracted state. Matt Kosterman: Oh, interesting. And Alefiyah Lindo: that's also the time when I was meditating Okay. And breathing and all that stuff. So there was something that I was missing. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Which what? And then which you found to be, like, what was the missing piece? Alefiyah Lindo: The alignment. Matt Kosterman: The alignment. I was, uh, so in your life? Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. And when I say alignment, I'm really talking about why are we doing things. Mm-hmm. So what's the reason behind the things we do? Um, and, and things that bring us joy. Things that don't bring us joy. A lot of times we're so conditioned that we have to do a certain thing. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: And, and when we dig deeper, and that's really what I do in my coaching practice, uh, is looking at what is my conditioning. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: Um, whether it's parenting or for myself, how do I wanna live my life? For the longest time, I felt like I needed to cook a, um, a fresh meal every meal. Matt Kosterman: Mm. Because you had grown up that way. That's Alefiyah Lindo: right. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Because otherwise, so the mental narrative was if I didn't do that, then I wasn't getting, my body wasn't getting the right nutrients. And my, my child's body's not getting the right nutrients and Matt Kosterman: I'm not a good mother and I'm not Alefiyah Lindo: a good mother. Good wife. Exactly. Spouse. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, Alefiyah Lindo: exactly. And so I had to really shed all of that. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: And free myself from my mental narrative of how I was living my life. Matt Kosterman: And, and talk about the process of shedding. What was, how was that simply, was it, what, what did that look like for you? Alefiyah Lindo: It, it was really kind of being honest with myself. Uh, if I, if I didn't, so, so being, um, I would say I was a very passive person, uh, for a good chunk of my life. And that was so that I wouldn't, um, Matt Kosterman: let's just let that, Alefiyah Lindo: mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: I'll just, my editor will just cut this out and we'll start that again. Okay. The siren. Is it, oh, it's Tu first Tuesday. Alefiyah Lindo: Is that right? Matt Kosterman: Yeah, it's a test. Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, Matt Kosterman: I think they go for 30 seconds or something. Alefiyah Lindo: What were we talking about? Matt Kosterman: Your process of shedding? Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, yeah. Matt Kosterman: And the pro shedding the programming and what it, what did, what are the, I'm, I'm looking for like, what are the mechanics? Mm-hmm. Just to kind of give people what are the mechanics? 'cause there's obviously an infinite number of ways. Yeah. In, um, and so that's kind of what I'm trying to show with, you know, what's, what was your permission slip? Alefiyah Lindo: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: What was, what allowed you to Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: To let those things go. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Obviously the first step is to see 'em, recognize 'em, that, that there is this programming that's running your life. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: That's a long one. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. It's either, I think it's, I think it might be a minute. Yeah. They must not run well. I don't, we don't have 'em in the city, so it's been a while. Alefiyah Lindo: That's so funny that I totally didn't like it's white noise. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. That you didn't even hear it. Yeah. And I've done, I've done some work on film sets Oh. As an audio guy. Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, okay. So you're more sensitive to it. So I'm just, Matt Kosterman: yeah. I'm not a huge oral person, but I, yeah. But I'm like, oh, okay, now there's something going on and we don't want that in the background. Yeah. 'cause it's get, it's getting picked up. That's the other reason to wear the headphones. So you know what's actually coming through the microphone. Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, nice. I, Matt Kosterman: I got it. It is a long one. Yeah. I filmed a guy, an interview with a guy at my apartment and usually my neighbors are gone. And of course, that day the cleaning people came, which is, yeah. Part of the reason why I don't do much with audio 'cause Alefiyah Lindo: mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: And audio people are, they're, you know, I mean like, we all are. Right? We all are. But there're a different breed, especially for like, for me, who's somebody who's super visual. It's just, you know, the audio guys hear everything. Oh. Alefiyah Lindo: And Matt Kosterman: you know, just like I see everything. Mm-hmm. I mean, I'm seeing how the lights falling and what color is the light. Oh, that's right. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Right. It's how are we interpret, what's our way of interpreting frequency and, and Alefiyah Lindo: yeah. And Matt Kosterman: you're in the subtle realms. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: You know, pulling in and I, I am as, I'm there as well, but not to the same degree I can, I can feel the stuff of that of other people in my body. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Yeah. So you're more somatic. I'm not, yeah. I don't have that as much. And maybe it's, it's part of my conditioning uhhuh. Matt Kosterman: No, I, I feel right into like, oh, they, you know, they come in and sit for a picture and I'm just like, oh yeah, you got something. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: I don't know necessarily what it is, but you got something. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And the hyper, the hyper vigilance of as a child that I developed. Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, that's right. Matt Kosterman: So I'm, I'm like, is everybody okay? Right. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Um, alright, so we'll jump back into, so what, so talk about, so you have this programming. You're recognizing that you have this programming. How are you clearing it? What, what are your, what are your ways of, Alefiyah Lindo: so the first thing I do really is, is explore where in my life am I not honest? So at, if one was to kind of look at that, it's the simplest saying, okay, make a list of the things that I do in my life and which of these I don't want to be doing. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. So like cooking a full dinner Yes. Every night. Right. To be the good mother, to be the good spouse. Alefiyah Lindo: Right, right. And a lot of this is really part of the subconscious mind. It's not something that you're, it becomes a part of my identity. It became a part of my identity. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: Uh, but it was, it wasn't until I took a pause and slowed my life down mm-hmm. To recognize what are these patterns. So we start with what's on the surface layer, which is very easy to find because it's right in your face. And then you look for what triggers you. So those are some really easy ways to identify. Matt Kosterman: So as you're going through your day and you're like, you feel you're feeling something Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Is Matt Kosterman: off, out of alignment. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And then changing it Right. The next day or the next time. Alefiyah Lindo: Right. And I think that was the hardest thing for me. It was to say, I I am not going to focus on making a fresh cooked meal to every single meal. Matt Kosterman: Sure. It's not Alefiyah Lindo: gonna happen. How Matt Kosterman: did the family take it? Alefiyah Lindo: Um, it was, it was actually a very natural progression. My husband eats anything, so he was totally fine. Uhhuh. And I think we, the way it's changed for us now is that we do more takeout, which is so freeing because now I no longer carry that guilt of eating a meal. Right. That won't nourish my body. It's a belief. Right? Matt Kosterman: Sure. But if you go, if you go back to, to prior to that, like the thought. Yes. Like we, we, we put, we ins, we put so much, we create so much fear around this change that everybody's gonna Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Lose their shit and oh my god, mom's not cooking dinner. And Alefiyah Lindo: yeah. Matt Kosterman: And it just kind of. It falls away if you let it. And, Alefiyah Lindo: and what's interesting is it's almost like my daughter made it easier for me because she didn't want to eat what I was cooking. So it could have gone two ways. Right. It could have been like, I could have been offended Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: That I'm not cooking good enough. Yeah. Or she's not. She's not, I'm not feeding my child. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: I'm not nourishing my child. Right. This is all a mental construct. Matt Kosterman: Right. And so ultimately, to sum it up, it would be sort of, you test it out Alefiyah Lindo: other Matt Kosterman: ways of being. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Matt Kosterman: Um, but Alefiyah Lindo: it starts with go, it's, it's really kind of focusing on what is in my highest good, what feels right in my body. So going back to the visceral feeling, Matt Kosterman: the visceral feeling and, and being able to trust your body. I think Yes. You know, in, in my own journey, you know, first there was no connection with the body. Yeah. There was no, and then, and then you develop a connection. In my case it was through psychedelics and through body work. But then it's trusting Yeah. That the information and the only way to, I think, to really trust the test and to take, take small and make changes. And I think it seems this is integration. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Right. Matt Kosterman: So you, you had enough awareness through your meditation, through your yoga, through Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Your therapy work and people mirroring it back to you. Alefiyah Lindo: Absolutely. But it was huge when I reached that point of feeling so low in my life. Mm-hmm. Um, and I think that was like the catalyst where Matt Kosterman: usually is Yeah. Right, Alefiyah Lindo: right. And it was like, okay, this, this can be it. Like I, and I think it, it made a big difference because my daughter was 12 at the time, or 10, and I, and she was really young. I was like, what kind of a life am I leading for her? Matt Kosterman: If you're miserable. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Yeah. Yes. And so it's almost like it was like this plea, you know, there has to be another way. Yeah. What is the other way? Show me. Show me, show me, show me. Matt Kosterman: Gotta ask. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And, and you know, sim similarly mine it, I allowed it to go further, was into a full on crisis of divorce, foreclosure, bankruptcy. But it was through a deep knowing of this is not what I wanna model for my children. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: You know, it looked like a great relationship mm-hmm. On the surface. And it, it wasn't what I wanted to model. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Um, but it, I had to, I had to have the full bro full blown crisis. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Um, Alefiyah Lindo: yeah. And I think one of the, the things that I'm learning about manifesting is it's almost like we're constantly putting these desires out there. And we we're putting these out there, but. When something happens in our lives. And if it's not positive, it's almost like, why is this happening? Mm-hmm. But you've set a desire in motion, and it can either be positive or negative the way you get there. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: And so I think kind of realizing that it was almost like a surrender of, okay, I, it doesn't matter how I'm gonna get there. I, I know that there is this forward momentum Matt Kosterman: and, and I know that this ain't it. Right. Alefiyah Lindo: Right. Exactly. I mean, that's Matt Kosterman: like, this is not what I want. Right. Show me something different and Right. The path there can be easy. Yeah. The path there can be, Alefiyah Lindo: yeah. Matt Kosterman: A little bit more different. It can Alefiyah Lindo: be a bumpy ride or it can be a smooth ride. I mean, and you can choose. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yeah. You absolutely can choose. Yeah. Um, so how, um, so talk about how you're taking all of this, you know, 30 years worth of wisdom mm-hmm. And, and, and working with people. What does it, what does an engagement look like? What do you, when you're. Alefiyah Lindo: So I ki I no longer do individual one-off sessions. Mm-hmm. It's, uh, when people work with me, they're working, uh, in a package format and I call it a deep dive. And, uh, it's about transformation. So it's working with individuals who are looking to create a shift, and I call it paradigm shifts because we're no longer working from the same model that they're in right now. And I like to call it becoming more. Hmm. Because there's no end really. You're just becoming a better, uh, more version of who you are. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I love, I love the, uh, the Incredibles, uh, uh, quote of, we'll be there when we get there. Alefiyah Lindo: That's right. Matt Kosterman: Wherever there is. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: So it's, uh. So it's mul it's multiple sessions over the course of, of weeks or months. Alefiyah Lindo: So it's, it's pretty much a container that I provide, uh, uh, that can include sessions, it's weekly contact, homework. Uh, and the way I kind of explain it is that what I'm doing for the individual is helping them create a paradigm shift by working with subtle energy. So let's go into that a little bit if you're interested. Yeah, no, I would love that. Yeah. So you have the physical body and imagine you have a ring of energy around you, and I call that the first layer, uh, Matt Kosterman: to an inch or two off the body. This an inch or two. Absolutely. Alefiyah Lindo: So that is really connected to your physical body. And I'll kind of go back to that. The second layer is say, imagine it's a foot above your body, and that's the second ORIC field. And the third one is maybe a few feet beyond that. So I just work with the first three because anything beyond that, we're working with the Akashic records and all that. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: So, so working with the physical manifestation and changing 3D reality, these three layers just seem to be most helpful. Matt Kosterman: Hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And the first layer is really where you have a blueprint of every aspect of your being or your physical body. So your eyes, your, your heart, your lungs, your legs, everything has a, uh, blueprint in that specific field. Imper, perfection. Uh, so if you say you have high liver enzymes, I teach people how to go into their first ORIC field. And connect with that perfection in, in that space, and then bring that into their physical bodies of, Matt Kosterman: of what a, a perfect level of enzymes would look like for their body. Yes. Because the body knows. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes, absolutely. Matt Kosterman: And that's stored in this first layer, that information. Alefiyah Lindo: Right. And so the second layer is your emotional body, and the third layer is your mental body. So if you wanna think of the third layer as a place where all your beliefs are held. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: So when we work, when we're working with our physical experience, so say you have a belief that I'm not good enough, or I money doesn't grow on trees, let's just talk about that one. Right. That belief creates a barricade in your AIC field. Matt Kosterman: Hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: So now, instead of this information flowing freely between your body and these layers of energy, it's bumping up against stuff. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. The stuff that stuck Yes. Distortions in the field. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Yes. And so what I do really is I help people identify those distortions, clear them out so that they can have access. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: And that's really the, the free flow. So that, that is in a nutshell, what I do. Matt Kosterman: And you're, and you're doing that through both talking with them and energetically Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. So I kind of help move energy in their bodies. Yeah. Um, by working with my physical body. So the, the recent thing that I'm kind of exploring is how do I, um, move energy through my body and then connect, because we're working with energy, we're not bound by space and time. Yeah. And so if someone's either sitting in front of me or sitting miles away, I can help them modify their energy. Matt Kosterman: And you also, uh, I remember when I first met you and your, I. What I remembered about you was that you read the chakra energy. So I do. That's the seven cha chakras. Alefiyah Lindo: That's, that's kind of like the first stage of it. Matt Kosterman: The more core central channel Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Matt Kosterman: Running through the body. And for Alefiyah Lindo: anyone interested in the chakras, each chakra is connected to an ORIC field. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: So your first chakra is connected to the first oric field. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Alefiyah Lindo: So there's, there are, that makes sense. Yeah. These different patterns that kind of, uh, Matt Kosterman: yeah. And then the second one being the sacral. Yes. So that's gonna be the emotions that, the emotional, emotional body. Alefiyah Lindo: And the third one, which is your solar plexus, is the mental body. So that is the mental, my sense of who I am. And my will. Matt Kosterman: My will. Exactly. And my will. Alefiyah Lindo: Exactly. And Matt Kosterman: then we start getting into the heart. Now we're getting into love and Yes. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Exactly. And, and then Matt Kosterman: as we raise up, we're getting Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: All the way out there. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And there's, and that's why I've kind of, in my, my practice, I've created three phases. So it's phase one, phase two, phase three. Phase one is really the jumpstart. Phase two, uh, I call it integration. So we, we are creating these new patterns, these we are shifting beliefs. Mm-hmm. And now we're integrating it into the body. That's phase two. And then phase three is really transformation. So if someone says, you know what? I just, I wanna make, I wanna double my income, or I want to no longer have knee pain. Yeah. Or I wanna run a marathon. Yeah. Or I wanna Matt Kosterman: speak in front of 5,000 people. Exactly. Whatever it might be. So Alefiyah Lindo: whatever their end goal is, that's transformation in my opinion. Mm-hmm. Um, and that, that, that can vary, but you really kind of, I've figured this process out where it can be a step-by-step process to get someone to creating a shift. Matt Kosterman: Beautiful. Alefiyah Lindo: And so if, if I'm kind of not a runner and I wanna run a marathon, I have to create a lot of paradigm shifts to get myself, my physical body in the space of being able to run. Matt Kosterman: I mean, there's just, there's purely the physical I you need to get into shape, but there are also other, right, Alefiyah Lindo: right. And what I'm realizing is there's the slow way, which is, you know, the physical, like you said, I can train every day, eat right. That's manipulating the physical body. But when you work with the energy world. That whole process can be expedited. Matt Kosterman: Mm. Alefiyah Lindo: And that's this new world that I'm en entering into. And it's just so fascinating. Matt Kosterman: Amazing. Alefiyah Lindo: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: So we, we worked together two months ago and now you've got this one. I'm gonna have to come back. I see what this is my, my life just keeps, Alefiyah Lindo: keeps evolving so fast. I can't keep track. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: So I want throw maybe, I don't know, a little bit of a curve ball at you. 'cause we were talking about this earlier with human design. Mm-hmm. And human design, which was a, for the, those of you listening who don't know, is a, it's a beautiful model of how we're structured, uh, as energy types. That was channeled by a man named Rah Uru who, um, but it, it holds that, I think it was in the late 17 hundreds, we shifted into being nine centered beings. And I'm curious if this shows up at all in your work with chakras, because we've now added an Anja center and a G Center. Yeah. And I don't know if you know, the traditional sort of, was the Hindu system of, of the chakras? Is that where it came from or the Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah, so the traditional model of the chakras that I kind of started with was a seven chakras. Yeah. I actually worked with 11. 11. Okay. 12. 12, to be honest. Okay. Yes. And that's really the, uh, the ORIC fields. Right. And so the seven is on the top of your head. Matt Kosterman: Right. Alefiyah Lindo: Eight is an a foot above your head. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Alefiyah Lindo: Nine is right below your feet. 10 is a foot below your feet. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Alefiyah Lindo: 11 is in your hands. And then 12 is really kind of imagine you have, um, uh, you're surrounded by this energetic egg, maybe two to three feet out. Um, that's really your 12th oric field. Mm. So I call it this, this cocoon of love of, or energy. Mm-hmm. It, it, it is this field. It's, it's cocooning. You Matt Kosterman: Sure. Yeah. And it can be tied in if you get into the whole Taurus of energy. Yes. The swirling, Alefiyah Lindo: and that's really where, where my mind's at right now, where working with the, the, the toric fields. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Alefiyah Lindo: Because in my opinion, if, you know, if I was to just kind of synthesize all that, in a nutshell, everything is a Taurus field. Matt Kosterman: It's Right, right. All the way. Yeah. It's turtles all the way down. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Turtles all the way down. Absolutely. Absolutely. Turtles Matt Kosterman: and to, to Tauruses Torah. I don't know what the, the plural is. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. It's fun stuff. Matt Kosterman: And, and so you are, uh, seeing, feeling, uh, sensing Absolutely. These, these disturbances Alefiyah Lindo: Absolutely. In Matt Kosterman: people. And, Alefiyah Lindo: and, and what I'm really, my hope is really to teach people how to do it themselves. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: Um, and, and my passion really is working with individuals who have a vision for change, for humanity in general, or just how they're showing up in this world. Mm-hmm. Uh. And helping them create transformations. So I I I, I know it's kind of silly, but in my mind's eye I can see that. I can see the ripple effect that can have Yeah. Versus me working one-on-one. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Mm-hmm. One-on-one in a, the one-on-one in a therapeutic therapeutic. Absolutely. Thank you. Context. I mean, you're working one-on-one. Yeah. Yeah. But you're working to create bigger change than what you have seen. Right. And what I have seen as possible through therapy. Right, Alefiyah Lindo: right. Absolutely. And, and I think what I'm also learning with working with energy is it is a lot easier to bend time than we, our minds believe it is. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Because we've been programmed to believe that it's, yes. Yes. Seconds or minutes or split into seconds and Yes. Alefiyah Lindo: And that's just so fascinating. I mean, it, it's, it's amazing. Yeah. When, when you can enter that space. And that's really what I'm kind of offering in my practice is, is getting, getting into that space of bending time. Yeah. Expediting the process. Matt Kosterman: Put that on your title leafy window. Time, time bender. Alefiyah Lindo: And you know what's so crazy is I, I was never interested in Star Wars and any of those kind of sci-fi movies ever. Matt Kosterman: No. Alefiyah Lindo: Until now that I'm in this world of energy, it's like, whoa. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, it's Alefiyah Lindo: been here. This, my husband and my daughter, they've loved this stuff. And you're, and during COVID, they, they binge watched and I was never interested in it. Matt Kosterman: And now you're seeing what the, what's there. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I've found it fascinating as well to look, to look back at that. I, I still remember that going to Sea Star was, was I 75? No, it was a little later than that. But I, this Orpheum Theater in Madison, Wisconsin. I remember standing in line, I remember the posters. I remember it was, it was a seminal and I, I didn't become this huge start, you know, like sci-fi person, but now looking back on it was like, oh, they knew what they were talking about. Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And, Matt Kosterman: and also, um, I think that the, uh, what's become clear to me in the past several years of my own journey is how much the psychedelic revolution, while it didn't continue, like it looked like it might, at one point, it influenced the music, all of the music that was written in the late sixties Yeah. And into the seventies that then seeded that in people's consciousness. Oh, absolutely. I mean, if you look at the Beatles journey, it's profound. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: At what they went through. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And I, and that kind of makes me think about how we are all channels. I mean, we. We're constantly channeling and all this amazing music that the Beatle Beatles wrote or anyone else for that matter. Yeah. Um, Matt Kosterman: Crosby Stills and the whole Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Or just any of these amazing movies that we were watching. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's sci-fi is how, I mean, to me, is it's channeled. Matt Kosterman: Oh, oh, for sure. And the, the other thing that I think was channeled, this came to me in a, in of all things, A psychedelic trip, but I was like, oh, bugs Bunny. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Matt Kosterman: Like the cartoons, like those was, that was on so many levels. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes, yes. And Matt Kosterman: the one that always sticks with me was the sheep Dog and the Wolf. Alefiyah Lindo: Right. I remember that Matt Kosterman: one where they would punch in, they'd come, they'd walk to work together and chatting, and they'd punch in and they'd beat the shit out of each other, and then they'd punch out, and then they would, you know, have a nice night. Right. Yeah. You too. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And I was like, oh my God, that is work. Yeah. That is corporate America. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Right there. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And, and that's the other thing that is, I, I. Everything. So, as I mentioned earlier, we're all trauma responses. Mm-hmm. And we're all here to really heal generational trauma. The fact that it's being passed down and it's it's in our lab right now, is we are here, we're assigned to deal with that. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: But, and, and however we do have a choice. If we don't wanna deal with it, that's totally fine as well. Matt Kosterman: We eventually You're gonna deal with it. Well, you pass it down. Yeah. Oh, you pass it down. Sure. So what Alefiyah Lindo: I mean is if I choose not to deal with my issues or whatever is, is pre the world is presenting to me, then I can easily just pass it down to my child. Matt Kosterman: Yep. Kick the can down the road. Yeah. Yeah. And do you feel that you're also so karmically you're still gonna work, you're still, you're gonna work with it in another life? Alefiyah Lindo: Absolutely. Absolutely. Like Matt Kosterman: your daughter's gonna have to work with it. Yeah. And you're gonna have to work it out. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's another, our, our, our soul's journey here is to have experiences, but also maybe call it releases. Mm-hmm. Release. Or come here to learn. Really? It's a school, in my opinion. It's a Matt Kosterman: school. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Um, and so we are here to learn a lesson if we wanna look at it that way, that our, our, our previous generations just didn't figure out or weren't able to process. Right. So now it's in my lab. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. They were, they were learning other lessons. Alefiyah Lindo: Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Just Matt Kosterman: not the ones that are Yeah. That they've passed on to us. Yeah. And so what, what can we clear? Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And so, so a lot of the work that I do is we're not digging for, and that's really part of what, what I kind of leave behind from my, my past is I'm no longer looking for stuff. I, I'm no longer, let's go to the deep, dark depths of our world and, and find what's there. Mm-hmm. We don't have to do that. Mm. I call it a deep dive that I offer, but it's, the deep dive is really kind of diving as far deep as we are. Our physical bodies are, emotional bodies are allowing us to Matt Kosterman: Sure. 'cause the therapeutic model is let's, let's go dig up your childhood. Yes. And see what happened back then that's influencing you now. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And I, I worked with a coach a little bit. His name's Alex Mill, wonderful man who was a, I think 14 years. He spent as a Buddhist, a zen Buddhist monk, and then he has a coaching practice out in, in Colorado. And I was coming out of 15 years, 12 or 15 years of therapy. And I had gone to the Meadows and I was working with a Meadows therapist at the time. And then I had a couple conversations with him and he's like, you know, like, that's great and fine, but there comes a time when it's just holding you back. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Because you're constantly looking at the past to, to look at the now. Alefiyah Lindo: Absolutely. And, and the past comes from really our, our mind, you know, the Yeah. It doesn't Matt Kosterman: actually exist. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes, Matt Kosterman: yes. It's gone. It's done, Alefiyah Lindo: it's done. But it's, our current reality is based on our imprints from the past. Right. And that's all the mind knows. And so if we are creating an expansion in our lives and if we're really entering consciousness and, and creating this awareness, um. Yeah, the mind has no clue how to get us there. So like we're talking about time bending. The mind has no clue how to do that. Matt Kosterman: It only knows linear time. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Yeah. Yes. And so it's almost like we have to get our minds on board to say, I'm not trying to annihilate you. I need you. I want you. I love you. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Come on board. Matt Kosterman: It's the whole master and servant Yes thing. It's a terrible master, but a great servant. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. And I think kind of, I think that's an important point that you bring up, Matt, because once we realize that we're not out to get anyone. It's all about integration. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And you can literally, my experience has been that you can ch you know, people say, well, you can't change the past. That's programming. That's programming. You actually can change the past because you can change the story that you have about the past and what the, the memory is. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And I've been actually playing around with that and it is just fascinating. Matt Kosterman: It is wild. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: And, and I think if anyone's interested, they can try that. Especially if you have, for me, I'm, I'm, I'm actually working around my, with my daughter. Mm. She doesn't know that. But I'm kind of doing past work in myself where I've have, I have memories of something that I wish I could have gone back and changed. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I'm doing that, doing, changing it, so Alefiyah Lindo: changing that memory in present time. And I'm not kidding you. Our relationship is so different. Matt Kosterman: Oh, it's, it's unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, for, for most of my life, I thought that my parents' sole mission was to bring me into this world to make me miserable. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it is, right? That's what we're Yeah. Yeah. We're here to screw the kids up, right? Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. But we're here to make them work. Right. Matt Kosterman: Right. Why else would Alefiyah Lindo: you have kids? Right? Yeah. I Matt Kosterman: mean, I didn't want, I was estr from my parents. I didn't wanna talk to my parents. Um, and you know, now I have just conversations that are just fine with my father. My mother's crossed over. But, um, and it's, it was literally through changing the memory. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Um, I mean, I think, you know, my, I have a, what my first semen unpopular take to people, especially history teachers, based on my spiritual studies. I don't think we should teach history. Alefiyah Lindo: I agree. Matt Kosterman: Because how are we gonna forget it if we just keep pulling it? And how are we gonna find a new way? Alefiyah Lindo: Well, I think the point is you can create a nar new, new narrative, Matt Kosterman: but they keep saying, you know, oh, you need to learn history so you don't repeat it. Well, it's not working. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: We keep repeating it. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: We keep having wars. It's, Alefiyah Lindo: it's no longer about history. I think it's, it's about moving forward, how do you wanna create your life? Right. Forget about history. Right. Once we come into alignment, I think we have, there is an inner knowing that comes up. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And how, how do you want to create your life? And you can create it any way you want as long as you're not impinging on somebody else's Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Way of creating it with a negative impact. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. We have all these sensors on our body. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Right. And, and so it's picking up subatomic information constantly. So the way I kind of look at it is I no longer want to go into my past so I don't repeat it. I'm actually going into the future. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: Or into these realms that have. All this amazing data there Matt Kosterman: and bringing it to the now and bringing Alefiyah Lindo: it to the now. To the now. And so I no longer think of it as I wanna get enlightened. I think I have a new way of looking at it, which is I wanna bring enlightenment to this planet. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Likewise. Alefiyah Lindo: And so it's, it's, I think that's kind of also driving my motivation for whatever I do. Matt Kosterman: Sure. Yeah. The Enlightenment is not at some point in the future. It's right. It's right now it's, Alefiyah Lindo: yeah. Matt Kosterman: 'cause everything is ultimately right now. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And you know, you have the expression Heaven on Earth. I think that that really resonates with me because I can see how we can create that. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: That's a really fun place to, it's beautiful. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Well that sounds like a great place to wrap it. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Heaven on Earth. Heaven on Earth's. It's not in the future. It's not When after you're gone. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: You can create hell on Earth too. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Your choice. Yeah, absolutely. And, and to me, the way, um, just, just, mm-hmm. A quick couple of things to add. As I entered this world of energy, I also learned that we can communicate with animals. Oh. And that's part, part of our expansion into consciousness, is you start communicating with animals, trees, plants, rocks, this microphone that's sitting here Matt Kosterman: Sure. Alefiyah Lindo: Everything has is energy. Matt Kosterman: It's all energy. Alefiyah Lindo: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: Have you, so two things. So you, uh, do you, have you done any work with animals? Oh, tons Alefiyah Lindo: of it. Because I, um, I do I Matt Kosterman: To help the animals or to, for your own Alefiyah Lindo: edification. So the way I, well, I, so I did this 12 week course on animal communication. Matt Kosterman: Ah. Alefiyah Lindo: And, um, as part of that, I would kind of reach out to friends and say, Hey, if you have a pet, um, I would love to practice. And so that kind of became a thing where everybody was like. Work with my animals, work with my cat. Matt Kosterman: I need to, I need to connect you with my daughter's cat, Oliver. Yeah. He's very shy. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And so, and I also had, this is probably a, a topic for another conversation, but my, um, so I, we had two cats. One of them passed a couple years ago, but the second one, pa just recently passed in January. And that was on the heels Thank you. On the heels of my, uh, this animal communication class. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Alefiyah Lindo: And he, I could not, I mean, I cannot, I get goosebumps thinking about it because he had the most amazing passing I've ever experienced. Matt Kosterman: Oh, beautiful. Alefiyah Lindo: Um, and he helped me learn, um, through animal communication what he needed. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Alefiyah Lindo: And how I could provide that for him. And, and it's almost like he, he taught me hands on healing because there was a part where I was putting my hands on him, but, oh yeah, we can definitely talk more about that. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, that would be great. Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: So I guess to, to kind of bring it full circle, when we, ultimately it's about recognizing that, that we're all one, everything is interconnected and then animals. And, and our environment is part of that. Matt Kosterman: It's part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I always like to bring, uh, if, if, if you haven't read it, David Foster Wallace, uh, he was American author, um, brilliant, brilliant mind. And he wrote the commencement address for Kenyon College. Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, that up? It's called, this Matt Kosterman: is Water. Alefiyah Lindo: Ooh. Matt Kosterman: And it's about two fish swimming. Alefiyah Lindo: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: And the one fish goes the other. What's water? Alefiyah Lindo: Oh, I've, I've heard of that. Yes. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And that was his commencement speech. Mm-hmm. Alefiyah Lindo: But Matt Kosterman: re related to that we're all one. Have you heard this theory? I just read it recently, that 'cause they keep trying to observe electrons. Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Matt Kosterman: And there's a theory that there's one Alefiyah Lindo: Yes. Mm-hmm. There's one Matt Kosterman: electron. Mm-hmm. And it's making all of this. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Um, and I think that, you know, we all is one and Bob Marley. And, and it, it goes to this, this idea, um. You know, you start getting into religion, which gets starts like you're seeming to get into religion, but you're really not. Um, because my belief through my teachings is that our, our biggest problem as humanity is that we think that we're separate from that, which created us Yes. Call it God, call it source, call it the flying Spaghetti monster, whatever you want to call Alefiyah Lindo: it. Yes. Matt Kosterman: Um, Alan Watts calls it the unstruck sound. Alefiyah Lindo: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: And it's all vibration. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. That's all it is. Matt Kosterman: Um, that we're all a part of at, at varying levels Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Of this vibration experiencing itself. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. And I think ultimately what matters is that you experience it yourself, and that's when, when the huge transformations happen. Right. And so the, the key is feeling, feeling Matt Kosterman: that's we're in a body, we're in a body to feel. Alefiyah Lindo: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: And well, that's our, our, uh, instrument. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: But we've been, we've been so cut off from it through traumas through Yeah. Uh, programming, um, and, and through the thought that we are our body. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Um, amazing. Alefiyah Lindo: Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah. This was, this was such a fun conversation. Thank you. It was great. Matt Kosterman: So great to have it in person. I'm glad we did this. The technology's great, but there's Yeah. There's still no substitute for Alefiyah Lindo: Nice. Yeah. In the same room. Absolutely. Matt Kosterman: So I'll have, uh, aias information to contact her and all this will be on the, on the page. And, um, thanks for doing this. Alefiyah Lindo: Well, thanks Matt. Matt Kosterman: Alright. See you next time. Bye. Bye.