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- 2:38S4: Doctor Sam Storms, joining us, founder and president of Enjoying
- 2:41S4: God Ministries, serves on the Council of the Gospel Coalition.
- 2:45S4: We're going to be talking primarily this hour about the
- 2:48S4: work of the Holy Spirit.
- 2:49S6: Yeah. And what a church looks like when it comes
- 2:51S6: alive in that. All right, Sam, let's just buckle up
- 2:55S6: and go for it here. Uh, look, we've discussed this before,
- 2:59S6: but it's worth going there again. We've got we had
- 3:04S6: in the 70s and 80s kind of these polarization between, uh,
- 3:09S6: churches that focus on the Holy Spirit and those that didn't.
- 3:13S6: And then there's been, praise be to God, a coming together.
- 3:17S6: There's been a convergence of those. What kept us separate
- 3:22S6: and what is the high ridge that's going to bring
- 3:25S6: the Holy Spirit to the forefront for all that he is?
- 3:29S6: It's not a it. He's here listening right now and
- 3:32S6: guiding our conversation. Sam.
- 3:34S7: Yes he is. And I think you're right. We have seen,
- 3:37S7: I think, in the last 20 or 30 years, really
- 3:40S7: beginning in the early 90s, just a reformation in the
- 3:44S7: way the church thinks about the Holy Spirit. I think
- 3:46S7: part of the reason for that is that we've dealt
- 3:48S7: with the reasons why he was neglected for so long,
- 3:51S7: for example, about how we refer to the spirit. We
- 3:54S7: call him the third person of the Trinity. We think, oh, well,
- 3:57S7: he's only third. He's less important than the first and
- 3:59S7: the second. And the fact of the matter is, the
- 4:02S7: Bible nowhere calls the Holy Spirit the third person. They
- 4:05S7: are all co-equal in dignity and deity and power. And
- 4:09S7: then I think also, one of the obstacles we face
- 4:11S7: for so long was the word ghost. You know, even
- 4:14S7: in the doxology that we still sing, it's father, son
- 4:17S7: and Holy Ghost. And people say, I don't know if
- 4:20S7: I want a relationship with a ghost like Casper the
- 4:23S7: Friendly Ghost.
- 4:24S6: Right.
- 4:24S7: It's kind of a eerie, weird sound to refer to
- 4:27S7: God as a ghost. And then I think also churches
- 4:31S7: for a long time made the mistake of thinking that
- 4:34S7: the only thing the Holy Spirit does is glorify Jesus. Now, undoubtedly,
- 4:38S7: that is probably the primary thing he does, but it's
- 4:41S7: not the only thing. He's got so many other roles
- 4:44S7: and tasks and makes his presence known all through Scripture.
- 4:47S7: And I think also the struggle we've had in the
- 4:50S7: past was that father and son? Those words mean something
- 4:55S7: to us because we've all had a father. And many
- 4:57S7: of us are sons or have had sons. And we
- 5:00S7: can relate personally to a father or son. But how
- 5:02S7: do you how do you relate personally to a spirit,
- 5:05S7: you know? How do you hug a spirit? You know,
- 5:08S7: it's like the spirit is there, but it's kind of
- 5:11S7: hard to get our minds around the idea that he
- 5:14S7: is a living, feeling, acting, willing person. And then I
- 5:17S7: think also for so long, I think there was fear
- 5:21S7: surrounding the work of the spirit. A lot of unknowns like,
- 5:24S7: what if we really want the spirit to show up?
- 5:26S7: What's he going to do? Is he going to embarrass me?
- 5:29S7: Is he going to do things that are contrary to
- 5:31S7: the traditions that we've developed in our church? So I
- 5:34S7: think all those factors play into why the Spirit of
- 5:37S7: God has been neglected as long as he has, but
- 5:39S7: no more. That's for certain. He is definitely much more
- 5:43S7: at the center of our thinking, as he should be.
- 5:46S4: Doctor Sam storms our guest this morning. You know, you
- 5:49S4: mentioned a couple different things, and I want to revisit
- 5:52S4: a few of them when we talk about our language
- 5:54S4: around the Holy Spirit. That has contributed to some of
- 5:57S4: the confusion. How do we speak about the Holy Spirit
- 6:01S4: in ways that are truly biblical? I'll give you an example.
- 6:05S4: When people talk about being filled with the Holy Spirit,
- 6:08S4: I'll be honest. I grew up in a church where
- 6:10S4: when I heard that someone was filled with the Holy
- 6:13S4: Spirit in my mind, I pictured usually was an older
- 6:16S4: church lady, and she would begin to get very demonstrative
- 6:20S4: in her expressions and ushers would come around her and
- 6:24S4: they would rapidly fan her with those little paper fans
- 6:27S4: with the handles. And this. And that's what I thought
- 6:31S4: in my mind. Okay. They're being, they're they're filled with
- 6:34S4: the Holy Spirit. And that's what that looks like. And
- 6:36S4: that was my understanding. And I know I'm not alone
- 6:38S4: in that. How do we have a biblical understanding?
- 6:41S7: Sure. And again, you just articulated one of the reasons
- 6:45S7: why the spirit has been neglected, because that's the image
- 6:48S7: that people have in their minds. That's what they think
- 6:50S7: the spirit is going to do to a person if
- 6:52S7: they get filled. Uh, being filled with the spirit really
- 6:55S7: has to do with two things power and ethics. In
- 6:59S7: other words, start with ethics. We are filled with the
- 7:01S7: spirit to live in consistent conformity with what we read
- 7:05S7: in Scripture. Conform to the image of Jesus. That's what
- 7:08S7: he does in our lives. And then also power. Uh,
- 7:11S7: there's power for witness, power for exercise of gifts. Uh,
- 7:15S7: in fact, all through the book of acts. It's interesting
- 7:18S7: you read that Paul and Peter specifically, and even Steven
- 7:21S7: as well, having been filled with the spirit, they then
- 7:24S7: spoke prophetic words or they performed a miraculous healing. So
- 7:29S7: I think we have to get away from the idea
- 7:32S7: that the spirit is there just to make us act
- 7:34S7: weirdly and do stupid things, or it's going to require
- 7:38S7: the deacons to come and fan us back into normality. Yeah,
- 7:41S7: it's the spirit has has come to glorify Jesus. To
- 7:46S7: empower us to walk in conformity with his will and
- 7:50S7: to give us the strength to do things that in
- 7:53S7: our own finite humanity, we could never pull off. I mean,
- 7:56S7: that's what the Spirit of God does. But I also
- 7:59S7: think a lot of it has to do with how
- 8:00S7: we describe him, how we refer to him. And Carl,
- 8:03S7: you mentioned at the beginning this so many times people
- 8:06S7: call the spirit and it. I have a new book
- 8:08S7: coming out on the Holy Spirit at the end of
- 8:10S7: this year, and I have a whole chapter on is
- 8:13S7: the Holy Spirit a person or a power or both?
- 8:16S7: And I deal with this issue of why? Why do
- 8:19S7: people refer to it? When we talk about Jesus and
- 8:22S7: the father we saw, we say he well, everything that
- 8:25S7: is true of a person, everything that is true of
- 8:28S7: the father and the son in terms of their personhood,
- 8:31S7: is also said to be true of the spirit. So
- 8:34S7: a lot of us, we just have to shift our
- 8:35S7: language around a little bit.
- 8:37S6: Yeah. Doctor Sam storms our guest right now. And you
- 8:40S6: might be saying already, oh, Nelly, where do I get
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- 8:47S6: Just text the word storm to 800 555 78, 98.
- 8:53S6: One word storm to 800 555 7898. Coming up, Sam,
- 8:59S6: one of the most astounding promises is in Galatians 513.
- 9:03S6: I'll read it. And then when we get back, I
- 9:05S6: want you to respond to it. But I say, walk
- 9:08S6: by the spirit capital S Holy Spirit, and you will
- 9:12S6: not gratify the desires of the flesh. That is one
- 9:16S6: of the most loaded promises in Scripture. Sam storms response
- 9:22S6: to it straight ahead.
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- 9:33S6: week and we have got him in here today. In
- 9:36S6: this hour. Doctor Sam Storms, we're talking the power of
- 9:39S6: the Holy Spirit. and Sam, I'm astounded by this promise
- 9:44S6: that Paul writes to the Galatian church. This one almost
- 9:47S6: takes my breath away if you take it at face value.
- 9:51S6: And this is what he writes. But I say, walk
- 9:53S6: by the spirit in you will not gratify the desires
- 9:57S6: of the flesh. My goodness, Sam, that's epic, is it not,
- 10:01S6: my friend?
- 10:02S7: It is. It is indeed. And again, I hope people
- 10:05S7: understand what Paul means when he uses the word walk.
- 10:08S7: He uses it all through his letters, and it basically
- 10:10S7: means to live. Our walk is our daily life. And
- 10:14S7: he's saying here, we need to consciously be dependent upon
- 10:18S7: the spirit every moment of every day. Aware of his presence,
- 10:22S7: faithful to respond to his promptings. Uh, you know, the
- 10:26S7: very next verse is the one that really is baffling,
- 10:28S7: where he goes on to say that the desires of
- 10:31S7: the flesh are against the spirit, and the desires of
- 10:33S7: the spirit are against the flesh. So there's a battle
- 10:36S7: raging within us. Yeah. And and the pulse point here
- 10:40S7: is you can win that battle if you walk by
- 10:43S7: the spirit. That is, if you conduct yourself, your language,
- 10:46S7: your thoughts, your prayer life, your, your imagination, your dreams,
- 10:51S7: everything that you do, you do it with a sense
- 10:54S7: of the Spirit's leading and basically saying, you know, when
- 10:57S7: you're in a challenging situation, Lord, I feel the promptings
- 11:01S7: of my flesh. I feel the desires to go in
- 11:03S7: the opposite direction that you're telling me, give me the power,
- 11:07S7: strengthen me, show me the reasons why I need to
- 11:10S7: respond to the Spirit's prompting and walk in tandem with him.
- 11:14S7: And it's kind of like, uh, you know, you think
- 11:16S7: of an individual walking in front of you, and this
- 11:20S7: is your mentor, this is your leader. And every step
- 11:23S7: that this person takes, you take as well. You follow
- 11:27S7: in his footprints, follow the leading of the spirit. Follow
- 11:30S7: the convicting work of the spirit. Follow the empowering work
- 11:33S7: of the spirit. It's like, you know, you're sitting at
- 11:36S7: a coffee shop and you just suddenly look over and
- 11:39S7: there's this person sitting by themselves, and you feel this
- 11:41S7: overwhelming urge. They don't know Jesus. I'm. Lord, give me
- 11:46S7: an open door to go share the gospel with this person. Well,
- 11:49S7: that's what the spirit does. And walking by the spirit
- 11:51S7: in that particular case means obeying, saying, okay, I may
- 11:55S7: get rejected. They may spit in my face, they may
- 11:57S7: laugh me out of the room, but I'm going to
- 11:59S7: walk with the spirit. I'm going to obey his promptings.
- 12:02S4: Doctor Sam storms our guest this morning. Let's go back
- 12:05S4: to that coffee shop scenario. A question that many people
- 12:08S4: have is how do I know if that's the Holy
- 12:10S4: Spirit prompting me? Or if it's just my thoughts like,
- 12:14S4: this is something I, you know, one of my kids
- 12:16S4: wrestles with a lot of, I don't know if this
- 12:19S4: is the Holy Spirit prompting me to do this, or
- 12:21S4: if it's just me thinking that would be a nice
- 12:22S4: thing to do, and then they really get kind of
- 12:25S4: stressed out about it.
- 12:27S7: Yeah, well, here's the interesting thing about this. I don't
- 12:30S7: want people to worry about whether or not that's the
- 12:32S7: spirit or just me. In other words, it oftentimes we
- 12:36S7: learn the voice of the spirit just through trial and error.
- 12:39S7: You come to a point as you grow up in Christ,
- 12:42S7: that you begin to discern the quality of his voice,
- 12:45S7: the quality, the intensity of his prompting. And, um, it
- 12:50S7: just comes, you know, it's I would say, you know,
- 12:53S7: to people who struggle with this, how do I know
- 12:55S7: the difference? And I would say, don't worry about it,
- 12:57S7: don't worry about it. Just go ahead. And as long
- 13:00S7: as what you feel prompted to do is biblical, it's
- 13:03S7: not sinful. Go ahead and step out in faith and
- 13:06S7: you'll discover whether or not that was the spirit or you.
- 13:08S7: And if it was you, that's okay. You just learned
- 13:11S7: how to discern his voice from yours. If it was
- 13:14S7: the spirit, he'll empower you in that moment to do
- 13:16S7: what you need to do. So I think the thing
- 13:19S7: I would caution people about is don't be paralyzed by uncertainty.
- 13:23S7: God knows that we are fallen and we're frail, broken people,
- 13:28S7: and that we sometimes blame him for things that we're
- 13:31S7: responsible for. He's not mad at us. He's going to
- 13:34S7: he's not going to withdraw from us. So don't worry
- 13:37S7: about missing it. Don't worry about not having psychological certainty.
- 13:41S7: Just go ahead and and follow the promptings that you
- 13:44S7: feel in your heart. And even if it wasn't the spirit, say, Lord,
- 13:48S7: if this isn't you, make use of my time and
- 13:50S7: my encounter with this person for some other purpose. Yeah.
- 13:53S7: So people need to dial it down a little bit
- 13:56S7: and they think, well, if I don't have psychological certainty
- 13:59S7: that it's the spirit, I should keep my mouth shut. No.
- 14:02S7: Psychological certainty is very rare in our lives. That's why
- 14:06S7: faith oftentimes is spelled risk. Risk. You're taking a risk.
- 14:11S7: God will back you up. He will always back you up.
- 14:14S6: You know, Sam, a couple thoughts on that. One is
- 14:16S6: we died and our life is now hidden with Christ
- 14:19S6: in God. I think some of the uncertainty we have
- 14:22S6: is we don't understand the regenerative power of new birth.
- 14:26S6: Quick comment on that.
- 14:28S7: Well, absolutely. In fact, that's the beginning of our relationship
- 14:31S7: with the spirit. In fact, I was preaching my last
- 14:34S7: sermon here in Oklahoma City, and I was talking about
- 14:36S7: sharing the gospel. And I said, folks, I said, you
- 14:39S7: sharing the gospel with somebody, explaining the cross of Christ,
- 14:42S7: talking about the nature of sin and what faith and
- 14:45S7: repentance are is not enough. You have to cry out
- 14:49S7: and pray that the Spirit of God would sovereignly regenerate
- 14:53S7: their hearts, cause them to be born again, and born anew,
- 14:57S7: born from above. However you like to describe it for us,
- 15:00S7: just to communicate information, that's essential, obviously. But if the
- 15:05S7: Spirit of God doesn't enlighten, it doesn't renew their hearts,
- 15:09S7: soften their hearts to see the beauty of Christ in
- 15:13S7: the the only true answer which is the gospel, our
- 15:15S7: words are going to fall flat. I'm not saying evangelism
- 15:18S7: isn't important, I'm saying it's absolutely necessary. But there are
- 15:21S7: two parts. There's the proclamation of the gospel, and there's
- 15:25S7: the prayer that the Spirit of God would open their
- 15:27S7: eyes and soften their hearts to see the need that
- 15:30S7: they have for Jesus, and the sufficiency of what he's
- 15:33S7: done for them.
- 15:34S6: Amen. Sam storms, our guest, coming up here in a moment.
- 15:37S6: I want to go after this. Keeping in step with
- 15:41S6: the spirit, Paul goes on to say that he's he
- 15:44S6: bookends that chapter, by the way, with walk in the spirit.
- 15:47S6: And he says, if you live in the spirit, keep
- 15:49S6: in step with the spirit. And here's the thing for me, Sam,
- 15:52S6: this has revolutionized my life in the last decade. I
- 15:55S6: have now what I used to call from my good
- 15:59S6: Swedish Baptist Covenant. Kind of, you know what I'm saying?
- 16:03S6: Bible church upbringing. We had code words for this. We
- 16:06S6: didn't know what we were saying. Things like I feel prompted,
- 16:09S6: I felt led to, um, you know, those were our
- 16:13S6: code words. Now I'm going hold it a second. Stop
- 16:16S6: the bus. I'm hearing from the Spirit of God way
- 16:20S6: more than I ever imagined. Are we hearing from the spirit?
- 16:24S6: How do we stay open to that? And what confirms
- 16:28S6: that we're in step with the spirit. More straight ahead
- 16:32S6: with Doctor Sam Storms.
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- 16:58S6: It is Ask the Experts week. And boy, this is
- 17:02S6: peel paint time, guys, right down to the bare wood.
- 17:05S6: We're getting after it here. Doctor Sam storms our guest.
- 17:08S6: And by the way, Tech Storm. Whenever you can get
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- 17:29S6: Sam storms is one of the great revolutionaries when it
- 17:33S6: comes to understanding the role of the Holy Spirit. Without getting,
- 17:37S6: as Ali was advertising earlier, having fans waved over you
- 17:41S6: because you got the wolf hoofs or whatever's going on
- 17:44S6: and the Holy Spirit came over you. So, Sam, uh,
- 17:48S6: I'm a recovering. How do I say this? I'm a
- 17:52S6: recovering man that was raised with an understanding of the
- 17:56S6: father and the son, but very little of the Holy Spirit.
- 18:00S6: And God's done a great work in this. And now
- 18:04S6: I am hearing. And I hesitate to say this because
- 18:08S6: I don't even want it abused. But I hear the
- 18:11S6: Spirit's voice talk to me frequently. Frequently. Sam, I haven't
- 18:18S6: lost my mind, have I, Sam?
- 18:21S7: No, you haven't, you haven't. You know, if I could
- 18:24S7: go back to Galatians five and to answer your question,
- 18:27S7: I was just looking at it again and all the
- 18:29S7: various ways in which Paul describes how we respond to
- 18:32S7: the spirit. He says, walk by the spirit. Down in
- 18:35S7: verse 18 he says, be led by the spirit. Down
- 18:40S7: in verse 25, live by the spirit. Also keep in
- 18:43S7: step with the spirit. You think Paul's trying to make
- 18:45S7: a point? And I think all of these are synonymous
- 18:48S7: images designed to tell us the spirit is actively involved,
- 18:53S7: actively leading you. It doesn't mean that you have to
- 18:56S7: get up in the morning and say, Holy Spirit, which
- 18:57S7: pair of socks should I put on? I don't think
- 18:59S7: God really gives much of a hoot about that. But
- 19:03S7: when you find yourself out in community, or you find
- 19:06S7: yourself being tempted to watch something on the internet, you shouldn't.
- 19:09S7: That's when you cry out to the spirit. You know,
- 19:12S7: crucify this, this desire of the flesh. Lead me in
- 19:15S7: the way of the Lord Jesus, that I would honor
- 19:18S7: him with my life and my thoughts and my my words.
- 19:22S7: So again, we have to walk through life every day
- 19:25S7: in this conscious dependence. I mean, I don't know how
- 19:28S7: else Paul could say it. Walk be led. Keep in step.
- 19:32S7: Live by the spirit. It's like every moment of every
- 19:36S7: day we are trusting. And again, we don't have to
- 19:39S7: say it out loud. But we're saying, Lord, let every
- 19:42S7: step that I take, every decision I make. Let every
- 19:45S7: word that I utter. Let every relationship that I encounter
- 19:48S7: be one that is empowered by the spirit and consistent
- 19:52S7: with the holiness of the Holy Spirit.
- 19:55S6: Sam, I want to even go deeper on this, because
- 19:57S6: in John 14 Jesus said, speaking of the Holy Spirit,
- 20:02S6: these things I have spoken to you while I'm still
- 20:04S6: with you, but the helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the
- 20:06S6: father will send in my name, he will teach you
- 20:08S6: all things and bring to your remembrance all that I've
- 20:11S6: said to you. And my team sitting here. So I'm
- 20:13S6: going to be very self-effacing and be honest about this.
- 20:17S6: The Holy Spirit speaks to me primarily around those primary
- 20:21S6: relationships that are around me. How to talk with my team.
- 20:24S6: How to honor them. How to give honor, where honors do,
- 20:27S6: how to cheer for them. How to not be a
- 20:29S6: pain in the neck to them, uh, with my wife.
- 20:32S6: How to love her as Christ loved the church. I
- 20:35S6: find the Holy Spirit speaking to me in meetings with
- 20:38S6: our church staff that we've got an amazing staff that
- 20:42S6: I lead. I find it that practical and it's real
- 20:46S6: time promptings in meetings. Sam, that's the beauty. I don't
- 20:51S6: want our people to miss out on that. Sam. How
- 20:54S6: do we live there?
- 20:56S7: Well, I think the first thing is we have to
- 20:58S7: immerse ourselves in Scripture instead of being reactionary, because we've
- 21:03S7: seen somebody do goofy things in the name of Jesus,
- 21:06S7: some alleged internet prophet. And we think, my goodness, if
- 21:10S7: that if that's what following the prompting of the spirit
- 21:12S7: is like, I don't want to go anywhere near it, right?
- 21:14S7: And we need to keep our minds on Scripture. For example,
- 21:18S7: let me just take you to another text if I
- 21:20S7: mention Romans chapter eight. To most Christians. And I said,
- 21:24S7: what is the most distinguishing feature about Romans eight? They'd
- 21:27S7: probably say, oh, the sovereignty of God, the grace of
- 21:30S7: God in saving us. Well, that may be true, but
- 21:33S7: do you know that there are more references to the
- 21:35S7: Holy Spirit in Romans eight than in any other passage
- 21:38S7: in the entire Bible? Everything that Paul talks about here,
- 21:43S7: he talks about living according to the spirit, setting our
- 21:47S7: minds on the things of the spirit. He talks about.
- 21:50S7: Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Therefore walk.
- 21:52S7: Don't walk in the flesh, but in the spirit, because
- 21:55S7: the Spirit of God dwells in you. And if you
- 21:57S7: don't have the Spirit of Christ, you don't belong to him.
- 21:59S7: And over and over again, if the Spirit of him
- 22:02S7: who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, then
- 22:04S7: he who raised Jesus will give life to your mortal bodies.
- 22:07S7: Over and over again he says again, if you live
- 22:11S7: according to the flesh, you will die. But if by
- 22:12S7: the spirit you put to death the deeds of the body,
- 22:14S7: you will live. So all of that, I think, accounts
- 22:18S7: for what you're feeling when you talk about how you
- 22:21S7: relate to your staff and your family and to others.
- 22:24S7: It is this continual, constant awareness that the Spirit of
- 22:28S7: God lives in me. I mean, just stopping. We haven't
- 22:31S7: talked about it yet. Think about that for a moment.
- 22:34S7: The omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Holy Spirit actually lives inside of us.
- 22:41S7: That is absolutely mind blowing to me that we are
- 22:45S7: called the temple of the Holy Spirit. If he's that
- 22:48S7: near and dear and present in our lives leading us,
- 22:52S7: prompting us, then yes, every decision you make, every word
- 22:55S7: that comes out of your mouth needs to be bathed
- 22:58S7: in the Spirit's presence and power. So yeah, I think
- 23:01S7: if we could just live more consciously in this moment
- 23:04S7: by moment dependence instead of fear, instead of saying, oh,
- 23:08S7: I'm afraid what might happen if I do that? Will
- 23:10S7: I act goofy and bring reproach on the name of
- 23:12S7: Christ like that guy I saw on TV last week.
- 23:15S7: Don't let fear dominate your life. Let faith that the
- 23:19S7: Spirit of God is present to lead you and to
- 23:21S7: help you.
- 23:22S6: Okay, quick note so I've always prescribed we do this
- 23:25S6: a lot around here. John 14, John 16, Romans eight,
- 23:30S6: and I and I've said, I think Corinthians. Yeah, it
- 23:33S6: speaks to the spirit, but it's mainly corrective. These chapters
- 23:37S6: are instructive and illuminating. And, you know, it just dawned
- 23:41S6: on me, you you mentioned Romans eight. My mind immediately
- 23:44S6: went to there's therefore now no condemnation for those who
- 23:47S6: are in Christ Jesus. But if we read on, we
- 23:50S6: realize it's the spirit that gives the unction to even
- 23:53S6: live in that truth. Sam quick comment.
- 23:55S7: Yeah, absolutely. I love that verse, but we gotta read
- 23:57S7: the second verse for the law of the Spirit of
- 24:00S7: life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the
- 24:02S7: law of sin and death. And then you read on further.
- 24:05S7: The spirit helps us in our weakness. We don't know
- 24:07S7: how to pray. Well, that's all right. Don't. Don't fret,
- 24:10S7: because the spirit prays within us with groanings too deep
- 24:14S7: for words. So all through this we are told that
- 24:17S7: the Spirit of God is present. He wants to. He
- 24:20S7: wants to bring our minds into conformity with Christ. Our
- 24:23S7: lives shape us in his image. There are so many
- 24:27S7: so-called role models in our world, and not one of
- 24:30S7: them is worth an ounce of devotion compared to the
- 24:34S7: role model of Jesus. And the spirit is there to say, look,
- 24:37S7: here's how I want you to live. Here's how I
- 24:39S7: want you to behave. Look like Jesus. That's just a
- 24:43S7: stunning thought. In fact, in Ephesians four, you know, Paul
- 24:46S7: talks about being renewed in the spirit of our minds.
- 24:50S7: That's the Holy Spirit, so that we will walk according
- 24:53S7: to God. I thought, wait a minute, Paul. You're not
- 24:58S7: saying that I am God. Of course not. But you're
- 25:00S7: saying that the spirit of my mind renews me, that
- 25:04S7: I might live in such a way? He calls it
- 25:06S7: righteousness and holiness, according to or after the likeness of God.
- 25:12S7: I mean that again. It just takes your breath away
- 25:14S7: when you think the spirit is in me to help
- 25:17S7: me live a life so that I will show forth
- 25:20S7: the very attributes that God Himself has. Again, that's one
- 25:24S7: of those breathtaking texts that you just kind of have
- 25:27S7: to live in for a while for it to sink in.
- 25:29S4: Doctor Sam storms our guest right now. Coming up. Wow. Yeah,
- 25:33S4: this is a lot to digest. This is really good.
- 25:35S4: You know, when we think about the work of the
- 25:37S4: Holy Spirit convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment,
- 25:41S4: why do unbelievers still have the ability to feel bad
- 25:45S4: about something that they've done? We've call it their conscience.
- 25:48S4: Somebody can have a guilty conscience. Is that the work
- 25:52S4: of the Holy Spirit, or is the conscience something entirely different?
- 25:56S4: Let's ask that one coming up.
- 25:58S1: Get in the know with life's biggest questions. It's Ask
- 26:02S1: the Experts week with Carl and crew.
- 26:04S4: Doctor Sam Storms, our guest expert on Ask the Expert
- 26:07S4: week talking all things Holy Spirit. You know, even unbelievers
- 26:11S4: have the ability to feel bad, or at least an
- 26:15S4: awareness that they have done something wrong. Is that the
- 26:19S4: work of the Holy Spirit?
- 26:21S7: Yes it is. Paul talks about the conscience in Romans two,
- 26:26S7: either excusing us or condemning us, but we must remember
- 26:30S7: that the conscience is subject to the prompting of the spirit.
- 26:34S7: It's what theologians call common grace. In other words, there
- 26:37S7: is a gracious operation of the spirit in the world,
- 26:41S7: in the lives of unbelievers that falls short of salvation.
- 26:45S7: It doesn't mean that they're saved. Basically, in order to
- 26:48S7: preserve order in our world, restrains the the sinful proclivities
- 26:53S7: of unbelievers, keeps them at bay. They're never as wicked
- 26:57S7: as they possibly could be, and we're grateful for that.
- 27:00S7: And so I think, yes, the conscience is a part
- 27:02S7: of what the image of God is in each of us.
- 27:04S7: It's that capacity in us to be made aware of,
- 27:08S7: right or wrong. And so I think ultimately it is
- 27:12S7: the spirit doing that doesn't mean that that person is
- 27:14S7: born again, doesn't mean that they're justified by faith in Jesus.
- 27:17S7: It does mean that the Spirit of God is quickening
- 27:20S7: their hearts to realize that's not right. This is wrong.
- 27:25S7: This is the way I should go. Now, that doesn't
- 27:27S7: necessarily lead to salvation. Sometimes it might, but it doesn't necessarily.
- 27:32S7: The special redeeming grace of the Holy Spirit is when
- 27:35S7: he causes us to be born again. So, yes, all
- 27:38S7: the good that we see in our world. And let's stop.
- 27:40S7: I mean, let's be honest, we see a lot of
- 27:43S7: non-believers who do a lot of good. There are good
- 27:47S7: people in the world who don't know Jesus. And we say,
- 27:49S7: how do they do that? And the answer is, the
- 27:52S7: Spirit of God is graciously enabling them to do productive,
- 27:57S7: fruitful things that make for a life that is peaceful
- 28:00S7: and orderly. But that doesn't mean that they're saved. So
- 28:04S7: for that, we need the saving, redemptive work of the spirit.
- 28:06S7: So long. Circular answer to your question. Yes, I think
- 28:11S7: the conscience is active even in non-believers. Now, let's be honest.
- 28:15S7: Some unbelievers, they have so seared their conscience, they have
- 28:20S7: so violated it repeatedly that God gives them over to
- 28:24S7: their wicked ways. Makes sense, and they no longer feel
- 28:28S7: any conviction for sin. That's when it gets dangerous. But
- 28:31S7: we thank the spirit that he's restraining the sin of
- 28:34S7: unbelievers and even of Christians. You remember in Genesis, I
- 28:37S7: think it's Genesis 20 when Abraham lied about his wife Sarah,
- 28:41S7: and Abimelech, the king was going to take her into
- 28:43S7: his bed.
- 28:44S6: Yes.
- 28:45S7: And it says, you prevented me from sinning. God did that.
- 28:50S7: Abimelech wasn't a believer. God kept his heart from sinning
- 28:53S7: by taking Abraham's wife. So the range of the Spirit's
- 28:57S7: work is just almost incomprehensible. It's so vast. And unfortunately,
- 29:02S7: we have neglected it far too long.
- 29:04S6: Okay. Sam storms, doctor Sam storms our guest, and some
- 29:07S6: of you are like, where'd this guy come from? Well,
- 29:10S6: he was born with a mama. And then he got
- 29:13S6: filled with the Holy Spirit. And so he's got something
- 29:15S6: to say. And if you want to hear more, all
- 29:18S6: you got to do is text the word storm to
- 29:21S6: 800 555, 78, 98. Just text the word storm to
- 29:27S6: 800 555 7898. Okay, let's bring this thing home. Sam.
- 29:33S6: The church alive. I have been a part of too
- 29:36S6: many awakenings. I saw it with a singles ministry in
- 29:39S6: little Rock with Robert Louis. And then I saw a
- 29:41S6: church that I was had the privilege of leading. Exploding growth,
- 29:47S6: exploding growth. New member classes of 350. And I can
- 29:50S6: tell you right now, Sam, I can claim none of it.
- 29:53S6: It was the power of prayer. How central and why
- 29:57S6: is it that churches that fall to their faces and pray.
- 30:02S6: Watch the Spirit of God move.
- 30:05S7: Well, primarily because when they do that, they are confessing
- 30:08S7: their absolute dependence upon God. They're saying, we can't do this.
- 30:13S7: We could build a big church. We could have 350
- 30:15S7: people in a class. We could have thousands sitting in
- 30:17S7: the pews. But if it's not done in the power
- 30:20S7: of the spirit, it ultimately is useless. It does nothing
- 30:23S7: to magnify Jesus. So that's why all through the New Testament,
- 30:27S7: you read the authors talking about praying in the spirit.
- 30:30S7: Paul does it, Jude does it, and Jude verse 20,
- 30:34S7: I think it is that is praying when the spirit
- 30:36S7: prompts you, being led in your words by what the
- 30:39S7: spirit brings to mind. Uh, when you feel like you
- 30:42S7: just can't go any further and you're out of energy,
- 30:44S7: the spirit energizes you and strengthens you. So praying in
- 30:48S7: the spirit is so central. And again, when God sees
- 30:52S7: his people bowing the knee, crying out because they know
- 30:56S7: they can't accomplish it in their own flesh. He's honored.
- 31:00S7: He's praised. He is magnified as the one who alone
- 31:04S7: can do what we need to be done. So again,
- 31:06S7: I think prayer is the ultimate way of confessing our inabilities,
- 31:11S7: our weaknesses, and our absolute, unqualified dependence upon the power
- 31:17S7: of the Holy Spirit to accomplish anything of value, not
- 31:19S7: just value in this life, but things that will carry
- 31:22S7: on into eternity.
- 31:23S6: And the cool byproduct, Sam, is when we see that happen,
- 31:27S6: we claim we don't want to touch that. And that's
- 31:30S6: a powerful gift itself, isn't it?
- 31:33S7: Oh, yeah. Because because when you when you want to
- 31:36S7: control the spirit, the spirit does not respond well to that. Now,
- 31:42S7: it is true we can grieve the Holy Spirit. Ephesians
- 31:45S7: four uh, Hebrews ten says that people insult the Holy Spirit.
- 31:49S7: By the way, you can't insult a principle. You only
- 31:52S7: insult a person. And then in first Thessalonians five he said,
- 31:56S7: you can quench the spirit when you resist and despise
- 31:59S7: his work through the gift of prophecy. So yeah, we
- 32:02S7: need to be careful in how we respond to the
- 32:05S7: spirit because he is a person. And, um, you know,
- 32:08S7: people have a hard time understanding how humans in their
- 32:11S7: sin can grieve the spirit. But let's face it, that's
- 32:14S7: what the Bible says. And we need to be careful
- 32:17S7: about that. Constantly honoring the Spirit's leading and prompting, again,
- 32:22S7: trusting that he will do whatever is best to magnify
- 32:25S7: and glorify Jesus.
- 32:27S4: Doctor Sam storms our guest this morning. We are going
- 32:30S4: to be here in this next hour moving into our share.
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- 32:58S7: hate to say this, but basically the biblical illiteracy and
- 33:01S7: ignorance of so many Christians and I know that sounds
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