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Preview: Gervonta Davis-Lamont Roach Jr · Big Dog Lukie Boxing Podcast

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  one of the biggest fights of the year so we have to get one of
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  the biggest guests
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  that we get all year eddie crop great trainer great fighter
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  gervonta davis lamont
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  roach give us the analysis for those people that are eager to
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  spend their money
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  Look,
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  I think that,
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  as usual,
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  Tank will be on a,
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  like,
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  a seek and destroy mission.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  he will,
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  like,
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  take his time patiently,
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  you know,
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  kind of inch his way forward.
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  SPEAKER_01: Try...
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  SPEAKER_01: He'll try to make Lamont miss a little bit,
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  SPEAKER_01: but if the speed...
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  SPEAKER_01: Because Lamont likes speed,
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  SPEAKER_01: and he's got a lot of speed,
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  SPEAKER_01: and he faints.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's kind of good at disguising what he's going to throw.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think that Dramonte will have to use some more...
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  SPEAKER_01: hands and arms and blocking for defense,
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  SPEAKER_01: as opposed to just,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: slipping punches and quick feet.
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  SPEAKER_01: And once he,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: can kind of get the range and the timing,
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  SPEAKER_01: he should be able to exploit some openings and finish it early.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I haven't seen Lamont Rose Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: really get cracked.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I mean...
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  SPEAKER_01: He probably has got a tough, really good chin.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody gets to that level without it.
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  Well,
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  I shouldn't say no one,
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  but most fighters don't get to that level without a chin.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or at least the ability to recover from punches.
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  Some people,
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  their chins might not be the sturdiest,
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  but they recover quickly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he may fall in that category.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I've always felt that Tank...
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  Javonta Davis is a special fighter and I was kind of going over
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  it in my head and I
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  remember one time you were at my gym and I can't remember what
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  year this was
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  SPEAKER_01: And it might have been when Ricardo was still fighting.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is how long ago it was.
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  But you were asking me who,
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  you know,
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  the newer crop of fighters who I liked.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this was before Davis won a title.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I go, I like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like Javante Davis.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I like a lot of things that he does.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think he's going to be good.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, he's special.
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  I remember you told me that he slips the punches and his
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  defense turns into office,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is one of the things that makes him very,
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  SPEAKER_00: very tough to fight.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad that you remember that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  I remember these things,
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  man,
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  because like you're learning lessons,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You learn these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like I was telling someone the other day,
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  SPEAKER_00: experience isn't like something that can be taught per se,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it's going to your gym for like a year over the period of 10 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: You pick up little things and you might not always remember it,
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  SPEAKER_00: but now you know the things to look for.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, ah, he looks dead on the scale.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, he's slipping punches.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just little things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  thank you um oh yeah and so that that was one of the things
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  that i really that i
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  really liked about him um and you know it's kind of one of the
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  nuances people
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  people don't you know pick up on usually right away and but i
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  could see it in him
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  like you know before he won the title yeah he's he's really
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  good now my question to
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  SPEAKER_00: you is
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  SPEAKER_00: when fighters bring up retirement, it scares me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's,
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  SPEAKER_00: he's saying that boxing,
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to put words in his mouth,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it sounds like he does have a huge passion for boxing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a way for him to make money.
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  He's very good at it,
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  but he sees a retirement because he feels a lot of pressure.
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  SPEAKER_00: It seems there's other things too.
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  What do you make of a fighter saying they're thinking about
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  retirement in the near future?
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  SPEAKER_00: Given that always makes me nervous.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I agree with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um,
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  SPEAKER_01: And,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I haven't really,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't follow or,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: listen to,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: a lot of the interviews as much as I should anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just kind of like watching the fights, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And, yes, I agree with you, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is...
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  a concern when fighters start talking about walking you know
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  when it's time to walk
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  away because really you know if you're if you have like one eye
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  on the door you
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  SPEAKER_01: probably should go right if um
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  Because as soon as you're not completely focused,
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  100 percent focus is when you get hurt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So or you get beat.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, that that definitely is something.
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  SPEAKER_01: that Roach Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: could possibly exploit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because if you're looking at retirement and you're thinking about it,
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  SPEAKER_01: you go,
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  SPEAKER_01: okay,
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  SPEAKER_01: well,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: I made this much money, this much money.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got this much invested.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've got this much in residual income.
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  SPEAKER_01: It'll last me this long.
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  SPEAKER_01: If I live frugally, it'll last me the rest of my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most of my kids will be taken care of too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: What are you fighting for?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, what do you fight?
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  So and if you're thinking of it in that way,
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  you're not going to train the way you should.
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  So that definitely could be something that works and wrote
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  Junior's favor.
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  I also think that Lamont's only way to win,
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  in my opinion,
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  is to punch with Gervonta.
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  SPEAKER_00: He has to punch with him and he has to catch him at some point.
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  He can outbox him,
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  but I don't think it's possible to outbox Tank for a 12-round fight.
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  SPEAKER_00: At some point, he's going to catch you.
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  SPEAKER_00: The only path to victory I see is punching with him.
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  If he catches Gervonta,
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  I'm curious to see how Gervonta responds to that with these comments.
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  Yeah,
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  I mean,
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  because sometimes you're right with those types of comments.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're like, what am I doing this for?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't need to do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I also don't look at Roche Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: as such a huge puncher that it's going to,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: make you rethink your life when you get hit,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where if Javante hits you, you're rethinking your life.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're like, what am I doing?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, like they want to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I see double...
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  SPEAKER_01: This fight's done.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't, you know, I can't see straight, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: and so hopefully,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I am looking forward to a good fight,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: after,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: talking about that,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I expect it to be a little bit more competitive, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: than what I did originally.
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  And not only that,
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  it's just the whole regional aspect of it is intriguing.
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  SPEAKER_01: They know each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they know each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's like a rivalry, you know, between their little areas.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, that's always fun to see.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, all the...
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: everybody gets bragging rights,
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  SPEAKER_01: and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: Roach Seniors seems to be a decent coach,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a great coach, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know him.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's a good coach.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got to say, like, I'm all and one against him right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he probably wouldn't even know me.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'd be surprised.
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  You know,
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  Benjamin Johnson and all those guys,
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  they got a good team there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just think that there's going to be –
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  SPEAKER_00: People are underestimating going into this fight,
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  SPEAKER_00: and the regional side of it,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: is going to play a factor.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a shame we never got an SF Oakland fight at a high level.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, well, there hasn't been two guys, I think, has there?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not in my lifetime,
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't think of two guys,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: that's...
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's...
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: the biggest regional fight that we had,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: San Francisco-Oakland that we've had in a while...
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  yeah Belial and Chikis right and that just like that like
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  little club fight was the
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  atmosphere was so intense like I you know didn't even really
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  like I didn't think
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  about it like leading up to the fight but once we got there and
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  I was like
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even, like, think about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, it just never crossed my mind.
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  It never crossed my mind until,
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  like,
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  you know,
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  the fight started happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: we were at the fight and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: it was a fun night and it was almost an awesome,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: magical night for us.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, it turned around and became kind of a bummer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  SPEAKER_00: for those that aren't subscribers,
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  you've got to ship over to the newsletter now to get the final
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  thoughts on this one.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to get your thoughts on Valenzuela, Gary Antoine, Russell.
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  SPEAKER_00: Interesting, interesting fight.
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  SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts?
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  SPEAKER_01: Man,
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  SPEAKER_01: well,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm a huge fan of Antoine Russell because,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: the guy fights with so much just,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: aggression.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's not, like, reckless aggression.
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  The guy,
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  you know,
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  he can be surgical with it,
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  and he's just coming at you really hard.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fairly defensively responsible.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  just when he hits you,
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  he seems so heavy-handed and mean with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm a really big fan of his.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Valenzuela, that's Oryo, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and, you know, I mean, he pulled off a huge upset.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, he outboxed Pitbull.
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  SPEAKER_00: The weird thing is like two fights ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would have taken Antoine Russell,
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  SPEAKER_00: but momentum is so big in boxing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you don't have momentum, it really stalls careers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's it seems like Rio has all the momentum.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it does.
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  SPEAKER_01: But like,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  like a good like a good right hand to the chin can like end
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  that momentum,
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  SPEAKER_01: too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well-timed shot.
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  SPEAKER_00: A well-timed shot can really change momentum.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's a fight that I really like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Alberto Puello versus Sandor Martin.
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  SPEAKER_00: Puello, to me, might be the best 140-pound fighter in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's not that fun to watch, per se.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not a sexy pick, but he's a really difficult fight.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sandor Martin is really established.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's got a win over Mikey Garcia, could have beat Teofimo Lopez.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think Puello is going to really stand out as the guy in this fight.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, look, Sandor is good.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, he is... He's good, but he's like a notch below...
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  SPEAKER_01: like the world-class guys, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he beat Mikey.
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  But once again,
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  like Mikey at that time was kind of like what we're talking
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  about tank now.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I want to retire.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to eat McDonald's, you know, drive around my fast cars.
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  SPEAKER_01: I made money.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm good, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, like,
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: he's not,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: looking to put himself through,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: hell and training and get himself,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: in tip-top shape.
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  And,
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  like,
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  he just – at that point,
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  I felt like he was going through the motions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I loved Mikey Garcia.
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  Like,
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  I tell everybody,
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  you know,
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  the first time I saw him was at the State Golden Gloves in –
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  SPEAKER_01: and we were in Visalia and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I had a kid and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: and,
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  SPEAKER_01: and Mikey fought Stan,
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  SPEAKER_01: uh,
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  SPEAKER_01: Martin,
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  SPEAKER_01: Martin Luke.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  I was like looking and I go,
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  Stan is kind of getting like torn up over here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, it was a pretty bad beating.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I look and I go, man, that's Robert.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what's up, Robert?
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  SPEAKER_01: How you doing, man?
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  SPEAKER_01: He goes,
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  good Eddie I go who's that he goes that's my little brother
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  like damn right and so
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  you know we end up going to the Nationals uh you know and and
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  you know went to the
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  Nationals in Little Rock Arkansas and you know I watched Mikey
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  that week and I said
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  man this guy is going to be great right he's going to be great
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  and and look
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  SPEAKER_01: My wife, Casey, she worked with Mikey a lot at Snack.
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  SPEAKER_01: She had the pleasure, the luxury, to work with Mikey at Snack.
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  SPEAKER_01: She told me what a gifted athlete he was.
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  SPEAKER_01: The guy had just great genetics and
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, just... Not the attitude, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know Mikey pretty well,
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  SPEAKER_00: and it's like,
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  SPEAKER_00: he's the type of guy where it's like,
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  SPEAKER_00: he'll train,
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  SPEAKER_00: but he's like,
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to beat someone up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, you can't teach toughness.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's certain guys that are like, okay, cool, cool, cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: When do I get to punch somebody?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was like, on top of being a scientist, he was just mean.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, he had a meanness about him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and yeah, and like...
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  When you combine that meanness with technical precision,
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  that makes it really mean.
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  SPEAKER_01: I tell people if you have speed, power,
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  timing you need like like above average exceptional one of
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  those three things speed
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  timing power right one of those three things and if you have
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  one of those three
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  things that's like above average you have a chance to become
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  you know a champion at
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  SPEAKER_01: least contend for a title
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  right if you have a combination of two of the two then chances
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  are you'll become a
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  champ if you have all three speed timing and power then you
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  could be an all-time
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  great or multi-division champion or something of that nature
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  and you know mikey was
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  fast he had great timing and he had heavy hands so you know
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  along with great
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: genetics
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that mean edge, right?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what really made him him.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, he was special.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Opening the card, UNA's Talese taking on Julian Williams.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Any thoughts on this fight?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: Jaywalk?
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  man well you know what i haven't seen till he's fight but i
• 15:48
  heard he's like he's
• 15:50
  like a rough guy or not rough but like skillful and good right
• 15:56
  and i like you know
• 15:57
  he's a puncher like i'd say he's close he's a cuban but he's
• 16:00
  closer to your ennis
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: your dennis ugas than he is guermo rigendiao okay i mean it it
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a good right hand.
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  SPEAKER_00: He can also be outworked.
• 16:16
  There's probably a reason why you haven't heard of him just yet,
• 16:19
  but he has power.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  his best performance was he knocked out Sergio Garcia on the
• 16:24
  Spence Crawford undercard.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's probably his best performance.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: I would love,
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to see J-Rock pull something like this off because,
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think I,
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's like a fighter's fighter.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: I've always liked J-Rock.
• 16:45
  Not a flashy guy,
• 16:46
  but get out there and kind of like a hard hat type of guy.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I would like to see him win, but you know what?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's seen better days,
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: and like,
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: guys like invested well in real estate and,
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: managing a bunch of properties that just keep doing that.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think he has a, like, look,
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm with you on Julian because I like Julian a lot.
• 17:15
  He's a great guy,
• 17:16
  and he's probably one of the funnest train camps I've ever been
• 17:18
  in camp with.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: If he's going to take a fight, this is a winnable fight.
• 17:22
  This is the level of guy where if he's still got something
• 17:25
  which he believes he does,
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: this is the level of guy he should beat because in his prime,
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think he beats a guy like this.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:33
  If he wants to keep going,
• 17:34
  this is the type of fight he has to win at this point.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, so look, in his prime, yeah.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: He beats a guy like this, but he's not close to his prime.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: And if he does beat the guy like this,
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: like if he does beat,
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: is he going to beat the next level up?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 17:55
  I think hopefully the next level up is like is going to be
• 17:59
  financially worth it.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, who knows?
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: You put it,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: with the money he's getting here,
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: he put a down payment on a place in Philly on the rental property.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Jarrett Hurd against Johan Gonzalez.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: My gut is telling me this is going to be a really, really close fight.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like...
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Hurd,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't...
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I also don't see Hurd,
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: having,
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: any...
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: ability to really separate himself from, from people now.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Where at one time he did,
• 18:37
  especially when at one 54 or when he was using like that huge
• 18:41
  size advantage.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: but you know,
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: now,
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:46
  you get a little older and a little slower and you don't punch
• 18:51
  quite as hard.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: And you got hit a lot in your career.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: So your body didn't work the same.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, and you're, and you're not,
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: You're not 15 pounds bigger than everybody anymore.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it's, you know, you're not going to have the separation.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: So the fights are going to be close and you're going to win some.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to lose some.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I, yeah, I, yeah, I don't know.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: A couple, I'm going to throw a couple of random ones at you.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: Luis Crocker versus Patty Donovan.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Patty Donovan's my guy.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's a really good welterweight in my opinion.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: He trains with Andy Lee.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Are you familiar with any of these fighters?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: And do you have a thought?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: I am not.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that will be determined.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I could, like, you know, like, pretend.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, I don't even.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Paddy's good.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you,
• 19:44
  I think he has the ability to be one of those guys that goes to
• 19:47
  that world level.
• 19:48
  You know how most of the British guys,
• 19:49
  they hit a certain level and they can't.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think Paddy's got that Carl Frampton gear.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Is it English or Irish?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Irish.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:59
  And what makes it quite fun is Crocker's from Northern Ireland
• 20:04
  and Patty Donovan's
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: from Ireland.
• 20:07
  So you throw it on the zone,
• 20:08
  it's probably going to have a crazy atmosphere.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Where's it going to be?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be in Northern Ireland, I believe.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: In Belfast?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Let me look it up right now.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: The worst thing I can do is be crazy.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's going to be a big fight.
• 20:22
  Like,
• 20:23
  I wouldn't be shocked if this fight looks bigger than Gervonta
• 20:27
  versus Garcia.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is Patty, you said Donovan, is he a traveler?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but this is at the SSE arena in Belfast, Ireland.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: And Crocker is from Belfast.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: And Patty is from, I want to say Limerick Island.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Limerick, Ireland.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: The real deal knocked out Louis Ritson in his last fight.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: He is awesome.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: So it's two undefeated Irish fighters going at each other.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's the guy who knocked out Louis Ritson?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: I saw that.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: I did see that.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that guy is pretty good.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: He knocked out Louis Ritson.
• 21:10
  Yeah,
• 21:11
  the thing was I had never seen Ritson,
• 21:13
  and I remember he was always kind of like –
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'd always read about him in the boxing scene and stuff.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's kind of like a fringe contender or whatever.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like, okay, I want to see who this guy is.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember, like, just seeing, okay, Ritson's going to fight.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to fight this guy, Patty Donovan.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: He gets starched.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think about Sabriel Matisse coming back?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who he's fighting.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's fighting somebody from Mexico.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: Gabriel Valenzuela, he lost to Montana Love on the Civil Undercard.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I believe he's on a four-fight win streak since.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: One of the wins is Steve Spark, I believe.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: So, incredible.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like...
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I personally like Matias.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was, like, you know, bummed he got beat by the Australian guy.
• 22:11
  It didn't look like he had no plan B.
• 22:18
  So,
• 22:20
  you know,
• 22:21
  I'm interested to see him.
• 22:22
  I hope he wins because,
• 22:24
  like,
• 22:25
  then there'll be the mandatory for Hitchinson,
• 22:30
  right?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he'll be the manager for Richards and Hitchens.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, Hitchens.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so,
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be really interested in,
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's a tough fight for Hitchens,
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Matthias,
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: you know?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you got to outbox a guy that's going to come forward all night.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: One, you got to outbox him, but you got to be busy.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: See, that's the thing with Matias.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: You can't just,
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: think that you're going to,
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: kind of jab and throw one,
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: two,
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: and then move and one,
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: two,
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: and move.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: you've got to,
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: throw,
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: sets of three,
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: four,
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: five punches at times,
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: get him,
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: to back up a few steps and then get out of there.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of what Paro did.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Paro kind of showed,
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: he said,
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: man,
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not,
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not intimidated by you,
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: all right?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, I think that's a tough fight for Hitchens.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: I would like, yeah, I want to see that.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see the Teofimo fight.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see Matisse for Teofimo.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of would like to see like,
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: yes,
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: but I would also like to see,
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see Hitchens and Teofimo.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I like, I would like that to be at Barkley Center.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Just like, that'd be huge.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: That would be a big one.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Final one,
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Rocky Hernandez,
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: the 130-pounder,
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: taking on Rene Telliz-Garon,
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: who's now best known for dropping Floyd Schofield,
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: who is best known for not fighting this week.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: I like Rocky.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: That other guy is just okay.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's just a come forward puncher,
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: but Rocky is also not the most durable or most variety in his things.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's just a fun TV fight.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Guys are going to be there for each other.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to miss much.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: The type of fight that could turn into a fight of the year.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's good.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: And like, you know, I don't know.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they have decent crack, but not like...
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's not like he's got pretty good crack if he catches flush.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's crack, but it's not like sledgehammer.
• 24:50
  If I,
• 24:50
  you know,
• 24:51
  hit you with the grazing punch,
• 24:52
  it's still going to hurt you.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think I think Rocky's got that, to be honest.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think it flows,
• 24:58
  but I think early he's got a lot of first round knockouts and
• 25:01
  guys with first round
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: knockouts hit pretty hard is my theory.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think that the,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: like those real,
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: real punchers,
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: those better beef guys,
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: like they catch guys in the first round and they go,
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: ah,
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: uh,
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: um,
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: like what's it called there?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Did my computer freeze?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: But, um, yeah, it's like that.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: But, um, yeah, that's our, that's our preview pod.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh,
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: Eddie,
• 25:31
  what do you want the people to know about you besides
• 25:33
  everything that they already know?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Ah,
• 25:40
  know what um that you know i i love i'm very passionate i love
• 25:50
  boxing i love to
• 25:52
  teach boxing but you know more than anything more than anything
• 25:57
  i love my family
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: and my wife and it just i i'm very blessed that
• 26:06
  that my wife and I,
• 26:07
  we,
• 26:07
  we,
• 26:08
  you know,
• 26:08
  kind of have the same passion for boxing.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: that's wonderful,
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: man,
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: because I,
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: I found a great girlfriend too,
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: that maybe one day gets to be my wife.
• 26:17
  And I find myself all the time saying I love boxing,
• 26:21
  but also love my girlfriend.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: And that has to segue in.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, hopefully she loves boxing.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't fully love boxing, but she's down to watch it.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: And she's got strong opinions.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: She likes the real fighters.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's a statement, she says.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: So she likes the Usyks, the Inoways, the Crawfords.
• 26:43
  um she she heard the aaron navarro some of aaron navarro's
• 26:47
  saying so now she's
• 26:48
  taking some of aaron navarro's stings to heart so she she's got
• 26:53
  some boxing stuff
• 26:54
  all right all right cool well hopefully i get to meet her one
• 26:57
  day lukey yeah i hope
• 26:58
  so too man she's real cool we'll bring her out i'm about to
• 27:02
  call you up so we'll
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: finish it um on the phone