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True Crime Updates and Lindsay Clancy · Dead Serious

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Dead Serious, a true crime podcast.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Ames Murray.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: This podcast contains mature themes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your discretion is advised.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: Hey guys, and welcome back to Dead Serious.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: This is a like seriously episode where I talk about what's happening in true crime.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: So that could be trials, could be books, documentaries, updates, just whatever headlines are happening right now.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay Clancy's case finally is over and has gone to the jury as of my recording.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta say, I was getting a little bit done with the case, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I wanted to try and cover more of it, but at the same time, time was just not on my side, as this isn't my day job just yet.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: So, and there was so much coverage on it, you know, thoroughly with many podcasts, news outlets, everything was covering it.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm sure you guys know what's up and what's going on with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There were just a few things that I wanted to mention about it.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: My last couple thoughts.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, you'll probably hear more thoughts, but let's just start with um the chaplain, Sheila Kavanaugh, that took the stand.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: I was not prepared to hear her 1-900 voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was a little weird.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when she was describing how Lindsay talked about feeling hopeful of being discharged when the time came, and about her physical progress, that she had gained considerable strength and agility.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought to myself, where are you thinking about the kids in this?
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  SPEAKER_00: She felt deserving of this in light of recent events.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: And once she got transferred to Spaulding rehab, she filed paperwork for Social Security now that she's disabled.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's not showing that you want to like end your life still to that to this day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, apparently, she was also working out with none other than an exercise band.
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  SPEAKER_00: Creepy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again, what was not mentioned was the children, not once in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then I also liked Dr.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Kirk Hilburn and Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Avram Mack.
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  SPEAKER_00: They had some good kind of theories and thoughts and, you know, reasoning for Lindsay killing her children.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone wants a why, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So Hilburn put out their altruistic little side, which is basically she needed to kill her children so they would not suffer without her and they could be together in heaven.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the other one was, you know, she was experiencing this acute psychosis.
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  SPEAKER_00: But with psychosis, it doesn't mean you always have no idea what you're doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like the whole thing, all of it is really tricky, honestly.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was noted that Lindsay's response when Patrick had found her on January 24th was inconsistent with psychosis.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Patrick asked her, you know, what did you do?
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  SPEAKER_00: And she responded with, I tried to kill myself.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hilbron said that someone experiencing hallucinations might have said, like, I did what I had to do, or I did what the voice told me to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he has definitely questioned Lindsay's claims that a hallucinated voice commanded her to commit the act.
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  SPEAKER_00: He seems to be more of the belief that she took the children's lives so they wouldn't suffer after she killed herself.
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  SPEAKER_00: He mentioned how he felt like the fact that she only experienced that voice for 18 minutes just during the murders and never again is highly unusual, unusual pattern of how psychosis comes about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Avra Mack said Lindsay was experiencing severe mental illness when she killed her children, obviously, but that it was a continuation of the depression she had experienced for months leading up to the murder, which I feel like makes the most sense, honestly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Defense also talks about how Lindsay is future-oriented, wants to be a victim's advocate and quote unquote run a wheelchair marathon.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: So after you've murdered your children, now you see a bright future for yourself.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, come on.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: I just, like I said, I'm I've been over this case now for a while.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's been dragging on and on, and it's just there can be things that are really confusing about it.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Closing arguments for the Commonwealth were really good, I thought.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: They were kind of redeemed themselves and they laid out the events pretty well.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: Big red, not so much.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: He just went on a rant, an old grumpy man rant.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I am interested in what the people will come back with since they have four choices now.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like first degree, second degree, manslaughter, not guilty, reason of insanity.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: What do you guys think?
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  SPEAKER_00: What's your thoughts?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is she guilty, not guilty, criminally responsible, et cetera, et cetera?
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of choices out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do think this is a case, though, that could set some precedent, which is a little scary because I've seen a lot of what people are saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's obviously the deep rabbit holes that you can go down on Reddit or TikTok.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm interested on what this case is gonna bring with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, this fucking guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: We all know who he is, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't, he was having an affair and was accused of murdering his pregnant wife, Shannon, and their two daughters, Celeste and Bella, back in 2018.
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  SPEAKER_00: He took a plea to keep the death penalty off the case.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he is serving life without parole.
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  SPEAKER_00: Chris is spending his time, spending his time, he's serving his time at the Dodge Correctional Institution.
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  SPEAKER_00: Apparently, he receives quite a bit of fan mail from the ladies, which is disturbing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And recently reported that a woman, Lizzie Henderson, has put in an application to marry him.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is from Cleveland, Ohio, and moved to Wisconsin so she could be closer to him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when she was asked about her intended husband's murders by the Daily Mail, she responded with, He knows how I feel.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know all the people involved, but I would want to respect them, whatever the hell that means.
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  SPEAKER_00: She also called the murders in general something harsh for anyone to experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, really?
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's so enlightening.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't understand these women who get involved with men in prison, especially men who've literally murdered their wives, their children.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, seriously?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: See, that's why that's I that's why I call these shows that, because that's literally what I say every single time.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Brian Koberger update, another loser.
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  SPEAKER_00: We all know who this one is, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: But again, in case he was convicted of the 2023 first-degree murders of Kaylee Gonsalvis, Xanna Carnotal, Ethan Shapin, and Maddie Mogan.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trial was set to start.
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  SPEAKER_00: And right before it began, he finally pled guilty.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it would take the death penalty off the table.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this was recent, just uh early in the summer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Also, he gave up his right to all appeals when he did that.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: And all he's done actually, I need to start that over because I gave an incorrect date.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, okay, Brian Kohberger update.
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  SPEAKER_00: We all know him too, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: But just in case he was convicted of the 2023 first-degree murders of Kaylee Gonçalves, Santa Curnodal, Ethan Shapin, and Maddie Mogan.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Trial was set to start last uh June 2025, and right before he finally pled guilty in order to take the death penalty off the table.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Cowards everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: Also, he gave up his right to appeals with doing that.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now, all he's done since going to prison is literally whine and write formal complaints about literally everything his food, how he's treated.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's prison, bro.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's not the wall door of Astoria.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: So now, the latest is that he filed a petition for post-conviction relief.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: Koberger is saying that the he was pressured and lied to, and he falsely confessed, and that there is some magical information out there that could help his case.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, Berger, there will be an evidentiary hearing next year, but he was not granted the ability to withdraw his guilty plea.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: So those are some updates on some crazy criminals out there, and I'll put some links for articles for that for you.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: I also have watched a couple of really good documentaries.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I am going to do another episode on those.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: So make sure you look out for those episodes that are coming up.
• 9:53
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• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it so much.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: And until next time, stay curious, stay skeptical.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: And remember, if you're asking like seriously, you're probably not the only one.