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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-19-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: up for you today. We actually have a guest right
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  Speaker 2: off the top. James is getting him connected right now.
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  Speaker 2: Blake Miikoski hosts a podcast called No Magic Pill, and
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  Speaker 2: he's he's involved with a lot of mental health initiatives
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  Speaker 2: right now, he is probably more famous for being the
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  Speaker 2: founder of Tom's Shoes. Founded Tom's Gave Away I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: like a one hundred million pairs of shoes for free
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  Speaker 2: to children in developing countries. Exited that company to great success,
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  Speaker 2: and well, I'm gonna let him tell his story as
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  Speaker 2: he sees fit when he joins us on the show.
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  Speaker 2: But he had a really good episode of his podcast
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  Speaker 2: with Kevin Love, multiple time NBA All Star, multiple time
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  Speaker 2: NBA All NBA player, and of course jazz man, and
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  Speaker 2: they talked about mental health and it's just I encourage
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  Speaker 2: all of you. It's about an hour. I encourage all
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  Speaker 2: of you to go and wherever you find your podcast,
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  Speaker 2: listen to it. You can watch it on YouTube. It's
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  Speaker 2: really well executed, it's really interesting. And of course Kevin Love,
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  Speaker 2: even though he had a very limited role in a
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  Speaker 2: limited amount of time so far with the Utah Jazz,
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  Speaker 2: the impact that he had I think we could acknowledge
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  Speaker 2: was significant as kind of an elder statesman, highly successful
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  Speaker 2: veteran on a very young jazz team that was tanking
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  Speaker 2: and developing a lot of players. And anyway, It's a
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  Speaker 2: really good conversation with Blake Mikoski on the No Magic
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  Speaker 2: Pill podcast, and I encourage you to listen to that,
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  Speaker 2: and of course stay tuned for the next fifteen to
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  Speaker 2: twenty minutes while we talked to Blake about that conversation
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  Speaker 2: and everything else he has going on. Starting off the
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  Speaker 2: show with us today, Blake Mike Coskey, Blake, welcome, how
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  Speaker 2: are you hey.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so happy to be on the show, and even
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  Speaker 4: more so, I'm actually moving to the Salt Lake City
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  Speaker 4: area in a couple of months, so I will be
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  Speaker 4: local soon.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome. We will welcome back to the community. Well
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  Speaker 2: are you gonna Have you made the decision? Are you
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a Utah guy?
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  Speaker 3: A b YU guy?
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  Speaker 2: Are you gonna be more jazz, more mammoth? Have you
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  Speaker 2: have you already established your sports fan identity for your
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  Speaker 2: move to Utah?
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  Speaker 5: I mean definitely jazz and mammoth.
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  Speaker 4: I used to live in Dallas a long time ago
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  Speaker 4: and loved hockey games.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's so much fun. I never played myself.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, my friendship with Kevin has really developed
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  Speaker 4: not just from the podcast, but from this other project,
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  Speaker 4: the Enough Project.
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  Speaker 5: We're working on. And so when I.
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  Speaker 4: Came to look at houses and look at neighborhoods and
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  Speaker 4: schools for my kids, we went to a game and
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  Speaker 4: hung out with Kevin.
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  Speaker 5: It was really fun.
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  Speaker 2: I actually, you've got the No Magic Pill podcast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna reference that a lot today. You've got the
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  Speaker 2: enough initiative that you're doing right now. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how Blake likes to be introduced when he's
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  Speaker 2: because oftentimes you are introducing a guest. I wonder how,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, you're like businessman, company founder, podcast host.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how do you like to be introduced?
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  Speaker 5: It's funny, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, most people know me as the founder of
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  Speaker 4: Tom's Shoes, and you know, even though I'm not involved
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  Speaker 4: with Tom's anymore, it's something that, you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: that's really you know, it's almost like this still. I
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  Speaker 4: look at Tom's like one of my kids, something that
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  Speaker 4: I've spent so much of my life creating. But the
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  Speaker 4: way that I like to be introduced now is a
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  Speaker 4: title that I gave myself after I came out of
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  Speaker 4: seven years of very serious depression and I finally started
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  Speaker 4: feeling like myself again. I really felt like the universe
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  Speaker 4: gave me another lease on life, and so I introduced
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  Speaker 4: myself as a title is called lover of Life.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the way I like to be introduced, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, lover of life, Blake mi Costa here on the
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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show. Uh okay, So listening to your conversation
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  Speaker 2: with Kevin Canada.
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  Speaker 3: I watched it because I like to.
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  Speaker 2: See the visual cues between you know, whenever we can
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  Speaker 2: when conversations are happening. And one thing that I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to start our conversation with, because you know, you're not
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  Speaker 2: from the same background, you had similar upbringings. It sounds
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  Speaker 2: like you were a high level tennis player. He was
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  Speaker 2: obviously a high level basketball player from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Demanding fathers, but supportive fathers, all that kind of thing,
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  Speaker 2: and I wonder that as your conversation was progressing, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I wonder if you know, in a conversation
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  Speaker 2: about mental health, especially if high performers, if successful people
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  Speaker 2: are more susceptible, more prone, experience more pressures in that
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's part of why they're successful, but also could
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  Speaker 2: be a vulnerability. Do you find in the research that
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  Speaker 2: you've done in the conversations that you've have maybe just
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  Speaker 2: your own personal beliefs. Do you think high performers are
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  Speaker 2: maybe more are susceptible to things like anxiety, depression, panic attacks,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: I do. I do. I think I've seen that across
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  Speaker 4: the board with the different interviews that I've done, whether
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  Speaker 4: you know it was with you know, Matthew McConaughey or
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Love or you know any number of people that
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  Speaker 4: I've spoken to that have I kind of performed at
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  Speaker 4: the highest level. Almost everyone can go back to times
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  Speaker 4: in which the pressure they often put on themselves it's
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  Speaker 4: usingly not pressure other people put on them, but it's
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  Speaker 4: it's self inflicted. Pressure has gotten so much that it
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  Speaker 4: has caused you know, either a panic attack or levels
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  Speaker 4: of you know, chronic anxiety, you know minus first thing
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  Speaker 4: in the morning every morning, or you know, even.
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  Speaker 5: A series of depression.
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  Speaker 4: And so I don't think it's just high performers at
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  Speaker 4: the highest level. I think it's anyone who you know
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  Speaker 4: is you know, you know, running a business, putting even
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  Speaker 4: parents putting a lot of pressure on themselves to raise
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  Speaker 4: these perfect kids. Like there's just our society is so
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  Speaker 4: you know, filled with all this external pressure than we internalize,
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  Speaker 4: and it can oftentimes really make our mental health suffer.
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  Speaker 2: There's another part of the conversation, and you have to
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  Speaker 2: forgive me for jumping around on some of these things.
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  Speaker 3: I love it because I was just taking.
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  Speaker 4: Notes, and I'm glad you watched it, you know, because
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  Speaker 4: I when we were doing the podcast, I was like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I don't just want to have conversations. I
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  Speaker 4: really want to make almost like a like a mental
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  Speaker 4: health like TV show. And so we put it on YouTube,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm glad to hear that you watched it, and
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  Speaker 4: so many people are watching it, and I think you
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  Speaker 4: just get so much more from the conversation when you
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  Speaker 4: watch and you see people's facial experiences and that. So
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  Speaker 4: I was very happy to hear that you watch No
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  Speaker 4: Magic Coil on YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: I think you just it's a more authentic.
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  Speaker 2: Look into whatever the conversation is, right, because you can
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  Speaker 2: see body language, you could see facial expression, you could
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  Speaker 2: see the little moments in your conversation with Kevin where
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  Speaker 2: he's starting to make a point and then it sparked
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  Speaker 2: something for you and vice versa, like yes, I know
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  Speaker 2: exactly what you're talking about. So again, any of you
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  Speaker 2: out there listening, if you have time, please do watch it.
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  Speaker 2: All you could do is listen to it. Definitely worth
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  Speaker 2: your time there as well. Both of you mentioned something
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  Speaker 2: feeling relief instead of you know, joy or true satisfaction
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  Speaker 2: or whatever when a goal is achieved. And we talk
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  Speaker 2: about this a lot because this is a sports talk
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  Speaker 2: radio show where you gotta win that championship, and every
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  Speaker 2: year we're just like, man, this Utah football team, they
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  Speaker 2: better win the conference championship or it's a letdown or
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  Speaker 2: it's a wasted season. And we've been lucky enough as
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  Speaker 2: a fan base to have watched some of those experiences
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  Speaker 2: to watch some really impressive seasons that did end in
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  Speaker 2: championship success. And it's like, cool, we're gonna hang a banner,
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  Speaker 2: But now what right for the coaches and the players?
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  Speaker 6: For a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Them, it was just like whow, I'm glad we didn't
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  Speaker 2: let everybody down. Now I'm gonna get on the phone
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  Speaker 2: and call some recruits and remind them that I need
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  Speaker 2: them here tomorrow. And both of you mentioned not enjoying
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  Speaker 2: the process enough but also feeling relief instead of true joy,
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  Speaker 2: And I just wanted to dive into that a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more with you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is common.
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  Speaker 4: I mean one of the best videos I've ever seen
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  Speaker 4: about this actually was with Scotti Scheffler. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if you saw that when he won forget which tournament
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  Speaker 4: It was about a year ago, and he said it
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  Speaker 4: was called what's the point? You know, like he didn't
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  Speaker 4: feel any joy, just felt relief, And unfortunately Kevin.
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  Speaker 5: Spoke about that. I've spoken about that.
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  Speaker 4: I think even people experience that when they get the
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  Speaker 4: big promotion that they've always wanted or move into the
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  Speaker 4: new house, Like it's like, we say, these things are
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  Speaker 4: going to give us joy, put so much pressure on ourselves,
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  Speaker 4: but ultimately it's just a feeling of relief. And that
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  Speaker 4: is why Kevin and myself, I think didn't enjoy things
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  Speaker 4: as much as we could have at kind of the
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  Speaker 4: prime of our careers. And unfortunately, I think a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people feel this way. And so what I try
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  Speaker 4: to focus on now is you know, really understanding that
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  Speaker 4: this is a journey and this is a and there
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  Speaker 4: is the reason I named the podcast is there is
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  Speaker 4: no magic pill. There is no moment in your life
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  Speaker 4: where everything is going to be perfect or you're going
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  Speaker 4: to feel like the state of nirvana, Like we've been
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  Speaker 4: told that that's this thing that we're always striving for,
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  Speaker 4: no matter what your career or life situation is. And
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  Speaker 4: I think Kevin explains that very much wasn't the case
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  Speaker 4: for him. And then often it comes with that, and
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  Speaker 4: especially came for me, is almost a feeling of shame, like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I did all this and I don't feel amazing now,
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  Speaker 4: Like what's wrong with me?
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  Speaker 7: Like?
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  Speaker 5: Why why don't I feel amazing?
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  Speaker 4: I just helped a hundred million children get shoes or
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  Speaker 4: Kevin just want to championship And I think he really
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  Speaker 4: talks about that on the podcast too. Is that and
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  Speaker 4: that's what makes it turn into you know, a discomfort
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  Speaker 4: turns into an actual depression or a panic attack because
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  Speaker 4: the shame on top of it.
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  Speaker 5: And I think especially men deal with that a lot
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  Speaker 5: in our lives.
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  Speaker 2: There was another part point in the conversation that resonated
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  Speaker 2: probably with everyone who especially you know, most of our
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  Speaker 2: audience is male. A lot of our audience is kind
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  Speaker 2: of in the thirty five to fifty four age range.
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  Speaker 2: So you probably have kids, you probably have career, you
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  Speaker 2: probably have all these things. And I grew up in
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  Speaker 2: the nineties, high school in the two thousands. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I had a really great and wonderful experience being young.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we're in a time now we're destigmatizing
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these things. But Kevin and you both
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  Speaker 2: noted that, you know, for men, defeating your feelings has
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  Speaker 2: always been kind of the goal and exactly whether it's
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  Speaker 2: whether it was stated or otherwise. And I never felt
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  Speaker 2: pressure to not have feelings or express my feelings. But
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  Speaker 2: I was raised in a very similar culture to probably
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  Speaker 2: what you were as a young you know, athlete, a
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  Speaker 2: young sports participant, and same with Kevin. And it's just
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  Speaker 2: like whether people are visually or verbally being like no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: you can't cry, you can't say that, it just is
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  Speaker 2: what the behavior you're modeling. Right, we were watching all
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  Speaker 2: these heroes on TV and we didn't know their emotions,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't hear their mental health struggles and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that we're better at it now because
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  Speaker 2: of the conversations that Kevin Love is willing to have,
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  Speaker 2: that You're willing to have that, Matthew McConaughey is willing
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  Speaker 2: to have that.
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  Speaker 3: Scotti Scheffler's willing to have.
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  Speaker 2: Are we destigmatizing and doing better at dealing with our
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  Speaker 2: feelings rather than just defeating them?
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  Speaker 5: I think we are moving in the right direction.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's the reason I'm doing the podcast, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the reason Kevin Love dedicates so much
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  Speaker 4: of his time being honest and open about what he's experienced.
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  Speaker 4: I think it takes, you know, role models like that
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  Speaker 4: to be open and honest so that people feel more
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  Speaker 4: comfortable sharing with their best buddy.
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  Speaker 5: You know, hey, I'm really having a hard time.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, one of the things that I found in
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  Speaker 4: the research I have done, especially as it comes down
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  Speaker 4: to something as serious as self harm, is the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the risk of that goes radically down if you can
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  Speaker 4: just tell one person how you're feeling. And so if
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  Speaker 4: anyone's out there listening who might be really struggling and
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  Speaker 4: going through a hard time, like the most important about
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  Speaker 4: how hard it is, You just got to find one
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  Speaker 4: person to talk to about it, and the amount of
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  Speaker 4: relief you will feel is amazing.
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  Speaker 5: And so I think more and more men are able to,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 4: Because of these role models say Okay, there's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 4: with me. If I'm having some pretty dark thoughts or
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  Speaker 4: I'm having a hard time right now, but keeping it
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  Speaker 4: to yourself is proven to be very destructive, and so
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  Speaker 4: talking about it with at least one person. And that's
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  Speaker 4: why I'm having these conversations on the podcast is I
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  Speaker 4: think the more we have these conversations, the more someone
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  Speaker 4: can relate to one of them. Some people might relate
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  Speaker 4: to the Kevin Love conversation, but another might relate to
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  Speaker 4: the Michael Pollam conversation or another conversation. But the point
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  Speaker 4: is is the more we can have these conversations and relate,
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  Speaker 4: the more likely a guy is going to call up
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  Speaker 4: one of his buddies and say, Hey, I just I
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  Speaker 4: just want you to know I'm having a hard time
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  Speaker 4: and this is what's going on, and that self is
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  Speaker 4: like probably the best thing we can do for our
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  Speaker 4: mental health.
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  Speaker 2: How long did it take you to recognize in your
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  Speaker 2: own life but something was actually wrong? Not that like
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  Speaker 2: we all go through these seasons of extra stress, less sleep,
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  Speaker 2: it's a hard time of life whatever for you, What
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  Speaker 2: was the threshold where you're like, Okay, I do need
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  Speaker 2: to talk to somebody about this. I probably need to
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  Speaker 2: get help with this because again, high performer. You're somebody
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  Speaker 2: who dealt with pressure and stress all the way from
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  Speaker 2: childhood up to None of us can even imagine how
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  Speaker 2: difficult it is to run a massive company and then
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  Speaker 2: to have that exit, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: So what was the threshold for you?
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  Speaker 4: It was, unfortunately about three years that are really suffered
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  Speaker 4: and I was ashamed again is that word of my suffering?
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  Speaker 5: And I didn't feel like I could talk to people
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  Speaker 5: because I was like, who am I to talk about?
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  Speaker 5: You know that I'm not doing well?
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  Speaker 4: Like I have all this money, I have this family,
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  Speaker 4: I had this great house, I have all these things
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  Speaker 4: that you know that other people, you know, might be
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  Speaker 4: really not like it, being like what is his wrong
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  Speaker 4: with him? Like his life's fine? And so I didn't
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  Speaker 4: do a single social media post for three years. I
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  Speaker 4: really isolated. I didn't tell people how I was really doing.
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  Speaker 4: I put on a smile and pretended everything was okay,
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  Speaker 4: and all along I was getting worse and worse. But
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  Speaker 4: it got to the place, unfortunately, that you know, I
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  Speaker 4: considered taking my life and I talked about that on
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  Speaker 4: the show. And that's when it got so bad that
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  Speaker 4: I was like, holy shit, I need help.
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  Speaker 5: I can't control my thoughts anymore.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I got help with a great doctor.
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  Speaker 4: I reached out to my family and friends.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I ultimately had to, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Go to a place for about sixty days just to
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  Speaker 4: get my head on straight.
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  Speaker 5: But but yeah, it was. It was really scary.
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  Speaker 4: It got so bad and I got I felt so
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  Speaker 4: isolated that that it just I couldn't think straight.
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  Speaker 2: You just mentioned something that is is there kind of
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  Speaker 2: in the background of your conversation with Kevin And is
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  Speaker 2: there in the background of a lot of the times
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  Speaker 2: when we hear about mental health struggles, especially with athletes
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  Speaker 2: and on a sport show, that's where it usually comes
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  Speaker 2: up for us, right, And there's always I try to
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  Speaker 2: be fair about it. There is something out there, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the right way to really define it.
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  Speaker 2: Where money we think that money is supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: the fix for these things, or or maybe less empathetic
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  Speaker 2: when it is an NBA player or an NFL player,
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  Speaker 2: or a gold medalist gymnasts in the case of like
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  Speaker 2: Simone Biles or Sega.
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  Speaker 3: What are you talking about? You have it all.
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  Speaker 2: The royal We us regular folk, we are allowed to
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  Speaker 2: feel this way. You have what all of us want,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: so you're not allowed to feel this way. And I
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: think it might be hard for the average person to
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: sympathize or empathize with folks who are more visually obviously
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: financially successful than them. And I want to ask you
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: about your relationship with comfort, wealth and you know, financial
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: success and all of this.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Did it make you feel more guilty?
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Like you just mentioned, like, I'm not allowed to feel
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: this way because I have the things everyone else wants.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Exactly. I mean that you said it as good as
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: I could have said it.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: That's exactly what was going through my head when I
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: had these negative self talk, this negative rumination. Anytime I
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: would start feeling sorry for myself or not having energy,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: or not feeling connected to my kids, or not feeling
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: like that I even wanted to be here anymore, A
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: voice on my shoulder, Dyke, you know what the effort
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: you'th talking about? You have all this resources, Think of
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: all the people who are struggling day to day just
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: to make you know, kind of paycheck the paycheck, like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: you know, shut the f up, blake, Like it was
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: really a mean voice to myself. And it was because
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: I think I had been conditioned my whole life to
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: believe that if I made a lot of money, I
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: would be happy, and if I had the success, if
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I was on the covers of magazines, if these things.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: And so when none of that actually added any real
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: happyiness to myself anything, it caused, you know, more problems
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: in my personal life, then I felt a lot of
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: shame and that I wasn't allowed to feel this way.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: And so I always say, like mental health and depression
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: or anxiety, or they do not care what your economic
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: status is, Like this is there is no one that
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: is immune to this and and and and we have
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: to be you know, we have to have compassion on
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: both sides people who are struggling and financially like that's
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: something that you know, I don't understand right now.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: But also they you know, you might not understand, you
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: know why you know.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Someone Biles is struggling so much after you know, being
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: having the success that she's had.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: So it really is we're all humans.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: And that's what I'm trying to do with the podcast too,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: And that's why I have all different types of people
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: like this. This week, I have a woman named Kristin
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Nephon who is a doctor who did this n CUBA
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: study about athletes and self compassion, and her whole, her
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: whole premise was is actually when an athlete actually as
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: self compassion when they miss a shot or lose a game,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: and they talk with themselves in a more kind way,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: in a forgiving way, they actually over time end up
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: performing better, not worse. You know, a lot of times
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: athletes and coaches think you got it to push, push push,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: and you you know, really be mean to yourself because
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: that's how you get the most out of yourself as
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: an athlete or even as an executive. And what she
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: found was she did the study at NCAA, was actually
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: when you took that inner critic and turned it into
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: an inner coach and you replace the negative, kind of
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: harsh motivational techniques with something that was more compassionate, she
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: found that those athletes outperformed and they entered what a
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: lot of athletes need to get into and as a
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: flow state. You know, when you see a great performance,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: you know, and you guys talk about it here on
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: the show, that athlete is probably in a flow state.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: And the only way you can ever access a flow state,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: whether it's in work or it's in or it's in sports,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: is to not have so much pressure on you, because
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: when you have so much pressure on yourself, it's really
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: hard to access that. And so it really is about
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: changing the way that we talk to ourselves so that
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: we can perform better. And that really goes into, you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: once again, this idea, that feeling that you're enough just
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: as you are, not based on just your accomplishments.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out the right way to ask
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: this question because I think it's an important one, and
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I should preface it by saying, I acknowledge that I
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: am not a compassionate enough person, especially when it comes
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to mental health stuff. I just know that about myself.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I was raised with the you know, the kind of
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: buck up your fine ethos, and I have a hard
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: time bucking net even with my own children. There is
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a thing, though, in our society I think, where there's
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: a recognition, whether it's from young people or old people
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: or whomever, that this this mental health awareness that we're
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: all striving toward, can be manipulated, can be used, and
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: you get these cry wolf scenarios that, in my opinion,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: devalues actual mental illness, actual mental health problems, everyone who
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: feels sad tells their friends they're depressed.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Everyone who's worried about a.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Job interview now has an anxiety problem and wants to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: be medicated for it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: And there has to be a line somewhere.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: And now that this is so deep, you know, such
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: an important part of what you're doing in life, can
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: you offer me any perspective or any guidance on what
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that actually looks like how we can help people to
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: realize like, no, no, it's okay to have an issue
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: with depression, but it's not necessarily depression. Every time you
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: feel down, it's okay. It's okay to like get treatment
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: for your anxiety, but it's not an anxiety disorder every
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: time you're worried about something.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: How do we find that line?
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I think that you look at some of
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: the really important signs of severe depression. So you know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: like not being able to sleep, you know, is one thing. Now,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: just that itself doesn't necessarily say, Okay, someone needs to
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: really look at this depression. But if it's a combination
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: of the following not being able to sleep, very little
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: appetite or way too much appetite, then having like the
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: things that you used to bring you joy.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: You just don't feel joy anymore.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: So I love to go surfing, and surfing is like
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: my favorite thing in the world I get to do
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: from a hobby perspective. And I remember being on a
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: great surf trip with my best friends and like not
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: even wanting to surf, and they were.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: Like, what, Like you don't want to surf?
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Like we just came all the way to nick Aragua,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Like we spend all this money and time and we're
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: here together, and I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna stay inside and watch some Netflix like that
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: as a sign that something is effing wrong with me,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: you know. And so so I think that there are
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: and you can go online and there's great resources with
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: NAMI and other nonprofits to really say, I get check this,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: like do a self analysis of Okay, four or five
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: of these signs are all happening, it's simultaneously, then I
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: probably need to talk to someone if one or two
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: of them are happened.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: That's just life.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, look, I honestly like the last couple
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: of weeks, we just launched this podcast, and as much
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: as I love it and I'm having so much fun,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: doing it Like it was a lot of stress. I
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: had to go to New York, I did a whole
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: media tour, I had all this stuff, plus I got
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: my stuff with my kids.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: We're in the process of moving to Utah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Like there's a lot going on, and I wasn't sleeping
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: very well for the last ten days. That doesn't mean
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: that I'm going back into depression. Just means that I
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: got a lot on my mind and I have a
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: lot to do every day. So I think you're really
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: right in that, Like, we want to make sure that
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: we're not creating a society and an environment where you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: every time someone has stress or anxiety or fight with
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: rex wife, they're you know, having anxiety attackt that's not
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: the case. But if you know four or five of these,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: you know very clear signs that something is off. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: oftentimes they start as physical things, like you know, your
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: physical body is kind of giving you a sign before
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: mind starts to really suffer. And so looking at those
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: and really being aware of those, both for yourself and
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: for your friends, because oftentimes you might not realize it yourself,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: but you see a friend and they're like they're not eating,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: they're not sleeping, they don't want to play golf with
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: me anymore, they'd never call, like, those are signs that
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: something serious could be going on.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I'll end with this because I want to respect your
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: time here. But you and Kevin in the interview, you
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: both mentioned you know, your your parenting. You both mentioned
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the importance of that that is the number one most
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: important thing in my life right now. I have young children,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: and you mentioned a phenomenon called neuron mirroring, which a
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: lot of us as parents were just like, as long
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: as we don't yell at each other in front of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: the kids, or as long as the kids don't see
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: me cry or see whatever, everything's gonna be okay. But
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: this really stuck out for me because there's a subconscious
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: reflection of mood of feeling with the people that are
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: closest to you that makes it so you you got
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: to work on yourself or else you're going to mess
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: up your kids.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Basically, I mean, I'm so glad you brought that up.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: And it's interesting that the show that we launched this
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: week on No Magic Pills with Kristin Neff, and she's
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: the one who taught me and Kevin about that, So
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: it's very relevant you brought up because it is there's
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: something they've been able to study in brain scans, where
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: you know, our neurons mirror the people closest to us,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: and so if you have a bunch of anxiety and
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: stress and you're not dealing with it, then your kids
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: are going to feel that. And you even hear about
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: babies in the womb with their mothers. But I really
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: found that with my kids, like for so many years,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I never felt that I was enough and I never
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: could do enough. I can never could be enough as
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: a dad, never could be enough as a partner, and
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I constantly, unfortunately had that limiting belief that I'm just
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: not enough. And while I never ever old my kids
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: that they weren't enough, and I never pushed that message
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: onto them in any way, I do think that because
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: I wasn't feeling enough, then they're looking at themselves.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: And make well, am I enough?
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: Like?
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: And so once I really did some hard work to
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: heal that and started to realize that I am enough
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: just as I exist, and I can still have ambitions
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: and goals and things, but I am enough just by
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: my birthright.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: I've noticed that my kids have relaxed.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Especially like my eleven year old son who's an athlete
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: and is you know, wanting to perform and all these things,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Like I've saw them really relax and I think that's
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: been one of the coolest things of seeing how these
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: you know, mirror neurons work, is that when you do
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: the work on yourself, you're actually doing it. It helps
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: your kids more than probably anything you actually say or do.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: So it's so important that to do this work on
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: yourself to deal with whatever's coming up so that you
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: can release it and that you can live and what
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I call more of a beautiful state so that your
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: your children feel that as well.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Like I could pick your brain all day, but like
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I said, I want to respect your time. How can
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: our listeners get more involved with what you're doing with
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the Enough Initiative, with the No Magic Pill podcasts and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: everything else you got going on.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, the best thing is just go to YouTube
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: and subscribe if you like watching them, because then you'll
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: get notified every week when a new one comes out
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: or on Apple and Spotify it's No Magic Pill. And
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: then are Enough Initiative as a mental health nonprofit where
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: we sell these bracelets to remind ourselves and others that
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: we are all enough and that website is we are
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: enough dot co.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: So those are the two ways. And I just really
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: appreciate this conversation.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: I wish I was spending my whole day doing these
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: conversations with specifically you know, these audiences, because this is
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: who I think most needs to have these conversations. So
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: thank you for bringing me on the show and helping
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: get the word out there about the podcast.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Well, a preemptive welcome to Utah. Once you're here and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you're settled in, let's get you here in studio. Let's
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: have a nice long conversation about everything you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Got going on. Blake, thank you for your time. I
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: appreciate you.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Okay, thank you so much.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: That is Blake Mikoski the No Magic Pill Podcast. Great
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: job games tracking that down for us. He's a busy guy.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Uh obviously he's got a lot of things going on.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: He's got a move coming up.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: The Kevin Love episode really is It's definitely worth your time. Uh,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: even if you just want to watch it as a
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: basketball fan like it's it's the whole conversation is not
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: all mental health focus. There's a lot of stuff in there,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: but uh, it. Let it gets you a little closer
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: to Kevin Love. His process is, you know, behind the scenes,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: his life, et cetera. And I think we're all Kevin
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Love fans here now. He never, to my knowledge, he
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: never really was like a hated opposing player, and then
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: of course he became a jazz man and gave everyone
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: a reason to love him.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I think I I think I agree with you there.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: He did.
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: He played for Minnesota in the Division for a long time,
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: but the Tea Wolves weren't good, so I'm sure there
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: I feel like there was some indifference there or just
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: some admiration because he's doing awesome him on a bad team.
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: The only thing that there might be some people that
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: are like Kevin Love before he joined the team was
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: there was that story of Dennis Lindsay saying we had
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: a big name player, a star player that we were
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: going to trade here, and he said he didn't want
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: to play for Utah. Turned out to be Kevin Ah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: When he was I think twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Also to his prime, he was coming off of his
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: championship run with Cleveland, but I.
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: Think he healed that with his like what you said,
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: his veteran leadership helping the young team come along this year.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: So I think you're right.
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: I don't know that anyone harbors any bad feelings over
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: that or anything else.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Well, it's good stuff and I'm gonna you know, Blake,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: it was great for him to give us some time today.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I've only so far listened to and seen the Kevin
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Love episode of his No Magic Pill podcast, but I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: think I'll be diving in a little bit deeper. And
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I had several more questions for him, but we just
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: had to make sure we got him out on time
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: because he's got a lot going on. May, of course,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: is Mental Health Awareness Month. You might be might be
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: tuning in, be like, dude, there's a basketball game.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: I promise.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: We know there's a lot to get to, but May
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: is Mental Health Awareness Month. The first Annual Hope for
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Mental Health Radiothon is actually ten days from now, May
• 30:22
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• 30:44
  Speaker 2: coming Friday, but the Friday after.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: All Right, taking a break, we're gonna come back.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Game one of the Western Conference Finals certainly lived up
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: to whatever hype and beyond, and so did Victor Webby.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: We'll get there on the Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven
• 31:03
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• 31:10
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• 31:13
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• 31:29
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• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Eastern Conference Finals in the NBA Game one tonight Cleveland
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Cavaliers at New York Knicks six pm mounted time. Tip
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Western Conference Finals Game one was last night, ok See
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: San Antonio in Oklahoma City. San Antonio ends up winning
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: in double overtime one twenty two, one fifteen. The final
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: minute of the first overtime was one of the wildest
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: sequences we've seen in playoff basketball so far this year.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: And I tend to be a prisoner of moments. I
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: know I could get caught up in the hype of something.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Victor wembin Yama, forty nine minutes last night in a
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: double overtime game, forty one points, twenty four rebounds, three assists,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: one steal, three blocks. He did turn the ball over
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: three times, including once at the end of the first overtime,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: but then, of course he came back and hit a
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Steph Curry three at seven foot five. How many guys
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: in today's NBA. And I hesitate even doing this because
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: we're feeling more warm fuzzies about the future of the
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz and an upcoming number two pick. And we
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: had Ryan Haney, the voice of the Kansas Jayhawks, on
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: yesterday basically telling us all the things he felt like
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: we needed to know about Darren Peterson and how he's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: gonna be a great NBA player and he could be
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant. And you're starting to like the optimism that's
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: already pretty strong is starting to burn real hot in
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Jazz Nation. And you're gonna get this Walker Kessler situation
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: figured out, and you're gonna have this fascinating, big starting
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: front court, and you're gonna have skill on the outskirts
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna be like, all right, let's go, We're
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: not tanking anymore. And then you watch OKC, the defending champions,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my gosh, this team is really, really,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: really good. And then you watch the San Antonio Spurs,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: who's starting lineup averages twenty two and a half years
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: of age, and you're like, oh crap, San Antonio might
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: be even better because because they have an actual extraterrestrial
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: invasion right there on the court with Victor Webbinyama. And
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: it begs for me the question when I see that
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: guy having a performance like that in the playoffs last night.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: And they might lose the next four games, who knows.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think they will, But I see that dude,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and I remember he's twenty two, and I say, how
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: many guys in today's NBA and especially the West are
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: not going to win a championship because Victor Webbin Yama
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: is alive, the same way that John and Carl never
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: won an NBA championship because of Michael Jordan. And I
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: guess a Kima lajah Wan too, But like mostly Michael Jordan,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it going how many guys on how
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: many teams college and pro? Because right if you're a
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: college player, you're looking at it and be like I'm
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: gonna in the NBA in two years. If you're a
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: high school senior, you might be like, I'm gonna be
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: in the NBA in two years, and you're like, dang,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I'll by end up with the Spurs, not playing against
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the Spurs. If you're a Cooper Flag, you're just like, dude,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I am amazing, crap. I might never win anything, might
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: never win the division.
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: He's he's in the same division as the Spurs, right, Like, yeah,
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: you're absolutely right about that. It was an incredible performance.
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: Did you see he's he's the only the second player
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: in league history, I think, in the conference in their
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: first conference finals game of a forty twenty game the
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: Kareem Abdul.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: Jabbar's the other people.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, so it's been since the pretty decent yep,
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: it's been since nineteen seventy when Kareem was on the
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: Bucks that that has happened. Tim Duncan, who was was
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: the Spurs goat, right, he bested him last night.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I there was somebody I should have reto it so
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I could pull up the reference properly. But credit to
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: whoever pointed this out The last time somebody got snubbed
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: in their own mind for an MVP vote, and then
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: went out in the very next playoff game and had
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: a line like a forty twenty line was a kim Olajuan. Okay,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: when he lost to David Robinson, it was just like,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: oh oh yeah ninety five that he embarrassed David Robinson
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: and the Spurs the Rockets did in that series.
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: That's the you know, the.
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: The clip of him doing his crazy footwork and just
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: full in one of the best defensive centers of all time,
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: David Robinson getting him to jump when he's not he
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: shouldn't be jumping at.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: All in the old Loki doke.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, I could not love it
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: more that Victor wembin Yama is just wearing his heart
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: on his sleeve with that right. He was asked about
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: it immediately post game, did you want to pend times?
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: By the way, I'm like, do we really need to
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: rephrase the same question over and over again?
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: Guys?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, exactly what you just said. I'm pissed
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't win the MVP. I wanted to prove a
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: point against Shay Gilgess, Alexander and the team that has
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the MVP, who also happens to be the defending champs,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and I wanted to prove that I'm the most dominant
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: player in the league. He's twenty two ladies and gentlemen,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and he has not only the insane physical skills, but
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: he has the mentality. He has this right mentality that
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: he seems like he's a you know, amiable personality, seems
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: like he's a guy that you can interview, that you
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: can get along with, that you could probably be close
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: friends with if you're in that age demographic especially, But
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: he has the stone cold killer inside of him.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: He has that switch that he's willing to flip.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: And I think that there's just we're getting back to
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: it more in the NBA, But there's been two decades
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: almost in the NBA where guys, even if they had
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: it in them, they suppressed it in order to fit
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: into like the Lebron and d Wade and Chris Paul
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: like brotherhood of Hey, we're all we're all of us
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: are collectively better than everyone else, but we're not better
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: than each other. We're all like we all of us
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: all stars, all of us Team USA Olympian type guys.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: We're all cool with each other, will be competitive and
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: mean and killers to the other guys, to the lesser thands.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: But there it felt to me, and it's probably.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Unfair to some of the biggest stars in the league,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: but it felt to me like the the d way
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: lebron Chris Paul Paul Pierce even was probably the only
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: one that was willing to go against it, Steph Curry.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It was a silent assassin, but never the guy that's
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: really gonna stare you down and make make everybody in
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the building know that I today on this floor, I
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: hate you. Victor webin Yama is willing to do that,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't be happier about it. We need that
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: in professional sport. You don't need extra curricular activity. You
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: don't need Victor Wmanyama elbowing Nasrid, I don't need that.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: But the fact that it's a little bit more nineties basketball,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: just a little bit more nineties basketball, where he's just like, yeah, man,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I want to kill that guy. I want to I
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: want to prove my point. I want to defeat them
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: in an embarrassing fashion. And it wasn't embarrassing for Okac,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: by the way. It was a double overtime game. The
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: only person who might be embarrassed about that game. Is
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: chet Holmgren?
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: Who uh you talk about having a healthy sports hate
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: for someone else. Wemby does not like chet Holmgren, so
• 39:45
  Speaker 9: he feels really good that chet Holmgren had a terrible
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: game too.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: By the way, if you're chet Holmgren, there's no there's
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: no worst person that you could have made your enemy,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: consciously or subconsciously.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know this story.
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: I don't know if there's like if they actually if
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: he actually dislikes him more like personally or more than
• 40:07
  Speaker 9: just like that guy's I've picked that guy to be
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: my rival a long time ago. We've been compared to
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: each other for a long time, and I want to
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: embarrass him because I'm that competitive. But there is there
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: are stories there that, for whatever reason, whether it's just
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: that or something else, chet Holmgren has made Victor women
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: Yamna feel a certain way about him.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: We might we might look back, maybe again, I don't
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: want to get ahead of myself here. We might look
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: back at last year's championship for Oklahoma City and for
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: chet Holmgren especially and be like, thank goodness, you got
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: that before Victor Women Yama decided to shut it down
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: for the next eight years, and of course it's going
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: to require health from not only Victor but the other
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: guys on that team.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: But I mean.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: He overshadows everyone, like he overshadows Steph Castle, who would
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: be a megastar on more than half of the NBA franchises.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: He overshadows Dylan Harper, who would be one of the
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: most exciting players to have on your roster for all
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: but like six different franchises in the NBA.
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: They guys been coming off their bench, by the way,
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: until last night because they have Deer and Fox normally
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: at the start as the starter. Like correct, How incredible
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: was Dylan Harper last night too? And you remember this
• 41:34
  Speaker 9: time last year, oh ce, I was trying to tell people,
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: if you get the number two pick and it's not
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: Cooper Flag and that then obviously didn't work out for
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: the Jazz either. You get the number two pick, don't
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: be so up in arms about not having Cooper Flag
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: because Dylan Harper's that dude too. He showed it to
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: the world last night. Unfortunately he's on the Spurs and
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: not the Jazz.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: And the coach.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Who was on the UH I was driving in today
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: and who was it there was. They called him, They
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: called him Mitchivic, Michivich, Mitch Johnson, Mitch Johnson, they called
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: him Mitchevic because he's just Popovich two point zero. You
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: are not supposed to be the guy to follow the guy.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be a bad thing for you. It's
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: supposed to suck. But he's handling this young roster incredibly well.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: And again, San Antonio. For many years, the Utah Jazz
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: franchise had to be like, yeah, we want to do
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: it the way they're doing it, mid mid major market,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. A team that finds a
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: few diamonds in the rough, develops some puts people in
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: the exact right situation. Did they tank and get lucky
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: and get Tim Duncan to play alongside David Robinson?
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: Of course.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Manu Jinobili was like, nobody could have seen that coming
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: second round, pick all of that stuff right. The Spurs,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: they they had their dynasty, their time in the sun
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: that we all watched it and we're like, it's okay, cool,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: good job, Spurs. You get to go down and be
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: one of those respected franchises.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: It's happening again, you guys.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: This is the worst jazz deja vu that we could
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: possibly be experiencing. Oh and by the way, they might
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: still lose this series in Oklahoma City. Everything I'm saying
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: about San Antonio because I'm a prisoner of the moment
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: after game one, everything I'm saying about San Antonio also
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: applies to Oklahoma City and they're the defending champs with
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the two time MVP.
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: It was nuts hearing a lot of people. You're not
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: the only one tends to be prisoner on what we
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: all tend to. Certainly there's a lot of people nationally
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: talking and fans calling into the Dan Patrick Show listeners
• 43:52
  Speaker 9: like that calling in talking like like ok See was defeated.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: It's like, guys, it's.
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: One game and they darned won like three different times,
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: even though they were down by like twenty points, almost
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: twenty points in this game.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Like they and and Chenn Holgan played an awful game
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: and SGA played a sub standard game.
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Like Alex Caruso, by the way, just showed he
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: could get you thirty points when you need him too,
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: And that's Alex Caruso.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: And like, and he could get a couple of defensive
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: stops and he could.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: He's incredible on defense.
• 44:25
  Speaker 9: He's just I have coveted Alex Caruso when the Jazz
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: at the end of the Donovan and Rudy era, when
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: they got embarrassed by by at the end of the
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: Clippers series five six years ago, right, the one we
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: know none of us want to talk about. I'm sorry
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: for bringing it up. He was a free agent for
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: the Lakers. Alex Cruso was, and I'm like, the Jazz
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: need perimeter defense, like Alex Caruso is the guy they need.
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: Ever since, the Lakers inexplicably let him go that offseason,
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: which was a huge mistake by the Lakers. By the way,
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: he was All defensive Defensive Player of the Year type
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: guy candidate guy for the Bulls on some bad Bulls
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: teams didn't get a lot of attention there, gets traded
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: to the best team in the West, who who had
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: a disappointing postseason two years ago, Oklahoma City Thunder that
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: we've forgotten about had a disappointing end in their postseason
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: because he made them unstoppable on the defensive end. Right,
• 45:26
  Speaker 9: He's He's been such an unheralded key to a couple
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: of different championship teams and he was awesome last night.
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: Oklahoma City's gonna be fine. Like you said, they may
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: end up winning the next four in this series, and
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: we're gonna not gonna forget about this game one, but
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: we're not gonna be thinking about it like it was
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: this dominant performance.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't have to be like this is
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: the rise, this is the start of the championship, like.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, even if Oklahoma City wins the
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: next four games, the San Antonio Spurs still have this
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: early twenties lineup for the foreseeable future, and they have
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Victor Weinbinyama presumably getting better and better. He is not, guys,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: he is not in his physical prime yet. The physical
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: prime for NBA athletes is I think a little bit earlier.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: It's for like if you're if we're talking NFL football,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: kind of twenty eight to thirty one is when those
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: guys are really at the very best. They're as strong
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: as they're gonna be. Their body hasn't been worn down
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: too aggressively just yet. I think it's a little earlier,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: especially with these giant dudes in the NBA. I think
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: it's probably more like a twenty five to twenty nine
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: type range.
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: But he's still he's got three years before he's even there.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: He might grow even taller before he gets there. That
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: would be dumb, by the way, if he does that, that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: Would be dumb. Yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: And the other thing about it, he's not even close
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: to his prime as an offensive player, and yet he
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: can score in his sleep like that's absolutely is. He
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: is not near as efficient as he probably will be.
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: He he is much better. He has much better instincts
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: on the defensive end than on the offensive end, and
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: yet he can put up forty points in against the
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: best team in the world on the road and make
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: it look like it's nothing. He can pull up from
• 47:22
  Speaker 9: about thirty feet Steph Curry's style in that same building
• 47:27
  Speaker 9: and silence that loud city like they like to call it,
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: like that thing with that place was shaking, and he
• 47:35
  Speaker 9: silenced him in a second with the Steph Curry type shot.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Like he's not even close to his offensive prime. Tied
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: it at one eight with that three pointer in the
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: first overtime. Yeah, a total non sequit or bad transition.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: But on the Pat McAfee show right now, Olympic gold medalist,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: the guy who sealed the gold medal win the New
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Jersey Devils star Jack Hughes is currently on the Pat
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: McAfee show.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: We have the volume down. I have no idea what
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: he's saying.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: But remember we asked the question, should you fix the
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: teeth or leave the teeth with the iconic broken puck,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: you know, or the broken teeth from the high stick
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: from the gold medal game. Jack Hughes, he went full
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Hollywood smile. He has veneers top and bottom now that
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: are just glistening, pearly white, freaking news. I mean, Jack,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: he doesn't even look like a hockey guy anymore. He
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: looks like Jackson dart He. Those are those are some
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: great teeth he's got. Those are the most That's the
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: most beautiful set of porcelain teeth I've ever seen in
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: my life.
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: Jack Hughes. He went away from.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Being the the lovably ugly hockey iconic broken tooth guy.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want the Alexandrovchkin smile. He went fully to
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the opposite set end of the spectrum. I'm fine with it.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I respect it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, do we call him a
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: sellout now?
• 48:59
  Speaker 10: Or no?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: We're fine that I have veneers on my top teeth.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: So I cannot be you're also a sellout. Yes, I'm
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: also a sellout. I cannot be casting aspersions on something
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: that I myself have done. But yeah, total non sequit
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: of their apologies. We will talk some hockey on the
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: show today before we take a break. This from Derek
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: on the text line eight seven seven three five three
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  Speaker 2: zero seven hundred.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: If you ever want a way in.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Says, I don't want to rate on everybody's Wemby parade,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: but it took Wemby getting pissed off and going superhuman
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: for the Spurs to win a game in Oka see
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: in double overtime when SGA had a bad game. I
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: truly do not think the Spurs win another game because
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: SGA might drop fifty in the next one. May very
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: well be true, but the reality of what we know
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: for now is that the Spurs just stole home court
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: advantage in this series and they're getting deer and Fox back.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: By the way, that Dylan Harper, who had twenty ten
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: to five and five, yeah, five steals in his performance too,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: is a rookie and it's I think his first postseason start.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's maybe his second or third postseason start first
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: postseason started.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Like huge stage like this.
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: That guy's coming off the bench now that I would
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: say that's a bad bet to say the Spurs won't
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: win another game. Derek might be absolutely right about the
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: thunder end of winning this series, though.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: What a start to the Western Conference finals. We'll do
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: a quick hot lunch next. Ted Robinson is going to
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: join us at the top of our number two French
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Open begins this weekend at Roland Garrol's qualifiers are going
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: on right now. Remember there's a there's a bit of
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: a controversy recently in the soccer in the snut soccer,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: in the tennis world on revenue share and things like that.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: We'll pick Ted Robinson's brain about all that, and then
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Tom Callahan later on in the show in our third
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: hour at one o'clock to talk Stanley Cup playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: I try not to be political on the show as
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: most of you know, uh, there there's some conversation right now.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: There's some controversy right now around voter rights in certain
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: communities in the South and district realignment, and some would
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: say jerry mandering and such things. To h there is
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: a perception among some that efforts are being made to
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: take power, political power away from already impoverished, already suppressed,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: and in particularly black communities in the South.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: I am not offering any commentary on that.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, we are not going to turn this into a
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: debate on something that is far more complicated and way
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: above my pay grade. However, the sports element to this
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: is very interesting. The NAACP is calling for black athletes
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  Speaker 2: and fans to boycott athletic programs of public universities in
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: states that are taking steps that the nation's oldest civil
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: rights group, the NAACP, says are restricting black voting rights.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: So the NAACP is telling people who listen to the NAACP, hey,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: don't support these programs, don't go play for these programs,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: don't spend your ticket money going to watch these programs.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: And you could read a headline like that and just say, Okay, NAACP.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: You know dipping their toes in sports. We've seen this before.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: It doesn't usually have any kind of significant influence that
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: the almighty dollar can't fix whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But the campaign is calling out listen to these.
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  Speaker 2: States, James, and you probably already know the ones I'm
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: talking about, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, and South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: The NAACP is asking black families not to support public
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: universities in those states. Let me say again, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and South Carolina.
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  Speaker 9: Interesting, Lane Kiffin, they mentioned Louisiana in there along with Mississippi.
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: That's interesting.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Well, James of course is talking about what we briefly
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: touched on last week. Lane Kiffin was like, oh, yeah,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: part of the reason I wanted to leave Old miss
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: is because the racial history in Oxford. It is just
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: too complicated for some families to send their young black
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: athletes to play at that university in a place like that. Again,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Louisiana has an incredibly dark and complicated racial history as well,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: for a lot of the same reasons and along the
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  Speaker 2: same lines.
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  Speaker 3: But this is the South. This is the South.
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  Speaker 2: This is every team in this SEC is affected by this. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the NAACP is just asking, They're just saying, hey, don't
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: support these universities, and ninety nine point nine percent of
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: families could probably just be like, thank you for your advice,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: but we didn't want it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: So we're gonna do what we're gonna do.
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: They're gonna support the universities if we're Georgia fans whatever.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I'm a Georgia fan. I'm a longtime Georgia season ticket holder.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Oh also, I played for Georgia and I had an
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: okay experience. So I'm gonna send my kid to play
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: softball or volleyball or football Georgia. But there might be
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: the point one percent outlier, or I think more relevantly,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: more saliently, there's probably a lot of coaches in the
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Big ten right now that are just like, hey, don't
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: you think that's good idea, that's a good little point
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: that the NAACP is making.
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  Speaker 9: Or even I mean honestly, or even like the ACC
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: schools in North Carolina and be like, hey, did you
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: see how they didn't mention us?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. You want to be a tar heel,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: you want to be a Duchie.
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: So just.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: The politics and sports thing, there's always some kind of crossover,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: there's always some kind of one bleeding into the other.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: It's not always this direct where a very influential organization
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: is saying you're doing something wrong in our eyes if
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: you're supporting these universities because they're public institutions in states
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: that are trying to take away voting power from our community.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: And given the modern political climate, you know, there there's
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: a there's some tribalism being forced back on certain communities
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: or being encouraged back into certain communities. And that's I again,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the American way. I think that sucks.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: But these are powerful institutions. These are powerful organizations. And
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend like I know exactly the
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: level of influence that the N double A CP has
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: if I'm a young athlete in southern California who's being
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: offered to go play for the Crimson Tide. But maybe mom, dad,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: grandma and grandpa are just like, Hey, I'm a card
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: carrying N double A CP member and I can't send
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: you to Texas right now.
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, don't go, don't go to Lubbock. I don't care
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: about Cody Cody Campbell's money and the and their two
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: targets come to come to Salt Lake City instead anyway,
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: adding aside our own, our own history, Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I wonder that.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I wonder how much Salt Lake City comes up in
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: those types of conversations.
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: Probably zero, But like I mean.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Again, I always hesitate to talk about these things too directly.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what it's like to be, first
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: of all, talented, but also to be young and black
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: and being you know, offered scholarships by a lot of
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: these different places and expected to go and perform at
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: a place that you know, maybe that like, if you're
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: at a Georgia football game there's some old, krusty racist
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: in the stands, for sure, it's more likely that that's
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: true there, then it's true at like I don't know,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: University of Minnesota, probably, but it's also true there probably, right,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's something that reasonably should
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: have your decision making. The NAACP, though, is telling its
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: own sort of constituency that, yes, this should affect your
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: decision making.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: That might be relevant. I'm not sure. Just thought i'd
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: bring it up.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: We have lots to get to about college football at
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: some time this week.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe we don't get to it today, but.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen playoff looks like it might be inevitable.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Yikes.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: You know what, Ted Robinson is joining us to talk
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: French open. He's a long time voice in college football
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: and in professional football as well. Maybe we'll have some
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: time to pick his brain about some of the changes
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: and some of the things that are happening, some of
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: the headlines.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: More Brendan Soresby News, etc.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Ted Robinson next, starting off our number two on the
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: It's ESPN seven hundred and ninety two ONFM.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: He's called Sean O'Connor's show. You're home of the guest
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: inside of You're Hughes. Let's get back to WOC from
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: two to one.
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  Speaker 11: Alf Am, Well, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome in Ted Robinson.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: If you have been a fan of Olympic sports, of tennis,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: of our long lost and beloved Pac twelve, and of
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: course of my San Francisco forty nine ers, then you
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: have heard this man's dulcet tones many times.
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  Speaker 3: Ted Robinson, welcome to the show. How are you, sir?
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: Oh Sewan? Thank you, thank you for saying that about
• 59:46
  Speaker 8: a PAC twelve, because I think all of us feel
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: the same way, even though we have a new version
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: coming back.
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: It's it's just it never should have happened.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: It never should have happened.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: There's always like these little points to drive it home,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: including this last NFL Draft, where so much of the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: top talent was at one time gathered in the PAC
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: twelve conference. A lot of the guys in the first
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: round had either our former Pac twelve players or players
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: at schools that should still currently be Pack twelve schools,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: And it was like, oh, thanks for putting that out,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: thanks for twisting that knife.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone who dug.
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  Speaker 8: Up the point, I know, I know, I look and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: look you we we look forward. The new rebuilt PAC
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: twelve is going to be fine. It'll be an excellent
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 8: basketball league, and I you know, I think it'll be
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: a push to get football back to where the PAC
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: twelve was at the end of its rug. Because the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: schools in the Pack, Utah being right at the forefront,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: really invested in football. They left basketball slip I think
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: that was the price they paid near the end.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: But football was really good.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: I was impressed with the broadcast figures announced for the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: new PAC twelve. Impressed in a relative since, at least,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: because you know, a lot of these schools are Mount
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: West Conference schools that are going to now be getting
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: more money. They have a more robust share financially, and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: obviously that's the name of the game these days in
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: college sports. And then it's like, oh, cool, you know
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: they're gonna get you know, twelve fifteen million dollars per
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: year per school.
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  Speaker 6: Nice work.
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  Speaker 2: And then you look at the revenue distributions for the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Big ten and the SEC and you're like, oh wow, okay,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: and then the Big twelve and the ACC are chasing
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: the Big ten in the SEC, and you're like, man,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: there's a growing gap between the haves and the have nots.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: And as much as I want to applaud the efforts
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: of everyone trying to keep up with the Joneses, they
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: are running away with things.
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  Speaker 8: Ted, Well, there's a perfect sean. You just said, a
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 8: perfect segue into tennis, because right now college football is
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 8: a two horse race, and you said everybody else, you know,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: there's third and fourth. You mentioned those conferences that are
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: you know, a lap behind, and now the new Pack
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: twelve is going to jostle with the American Conference to
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: be basically the fifth and make sure you get your
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: best team into the playoff. And it's sort of where
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: men's tennis is right now, where the top two guys
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: centered and outre as have just you know, have lacked
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: the field in a way that really didn't even happen
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: in the Federan the DOLG years because Djokovic came along
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 8: pretty quickly to make sure it was a three man competition.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think we're going to get that in college football.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think that the ACC or the Big twelve
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  Speaker 8: is ever going to be able to match where the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 8: Big twelve and the excuse me, where the Big ten
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 8: and the SEC are now.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Even though we want desperately as a you know where
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: the flagship home of a Big twelve school, our rival
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: here in state is a Big twelve school, and it's like,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: we want great things, but you got to read the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: tea leaves and it gets depressing if we focus on
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: it too much.
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  Speaker 6: So we'll just.
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  Speaker 2: Want to bring you on to talk some tennis though,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: because you know, there's a mile about a controversy, at
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: least mild for now, with a little smoke and hopefully
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: not too much fire around players threatening a boycott of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: this weekend's French Open at roll on Geros over, you know,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: a lack of their what they believe is a fair
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: share of the revenue going to the prize pool. And
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: the argument is that even if the actual bottom line
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: figure is increasing, the share the percentage is decreasing. And
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: there's very vocal and very important players in the field
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  Speaker 2: that are saying, you know what, if we don't find
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: a better way to share, then maybe we won't play.
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  Speaker 3: How much of a real threat is this.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 8: Well, I think it's real. Down the line shown and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: what happened this coming week, It's too soon, but the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: conversations have been going on for a while. In fact,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: last year, a group of top players, both women and men,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: hired Larry Scott, of all people, a very familiar name
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 8: to Utah fans and also a long time tennis executive
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: ran the WTA for years. They hired Larry Scott. These
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: players did to negotiate privately with the four major tournaments
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: on this very point Basically, it's no different than what
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: the team sports are going through and what Baseball will
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 8: likely encatter next year is the players want a bigger
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: they think a more, they have earned a higher percentage
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 8: of the revenue. Each of the four majors is an
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: independent group. This is one significant difference that it's hard
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: for a lot of sports fans to get. I know,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: and believe me being in tennis forty five years even
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: I have a hard time with this. But each of
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: the four majors is an independent answer to nobody. It's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: very similar to the Masters and golf. The Masters answers
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: to themselves, no one else. Same with Wimbledon in tennis,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 8: the equal prize money fight that was finally ended in
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 8: the two thousands was one at a time. Each of
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: the four majors went one at a time, and eventually
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: the French open of all people, because the French, I
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: think as a culture, are still the least open to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 8: understanding women's place in business slash sport. That Wimbledon was
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 8: the one that finally accepted equal prize money, and then
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: the French didn't want to be the only ones standing
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: out like a sore thumb, so they buckled after that
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 8: it may take something like that in this case, but
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 8: I do believe there will be at some point there
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: will be a give here, and there will be more
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 8: a higher percentage of the prize money will go to players.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: And what we're seeing to wrap that comment up, is
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: that the majors have slowly started increasing every conceivable way
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: to make more money. The qualifying weeks have now become
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 8: a significant part of the events, very much so at
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 8: the US Open, where the third week, so to speak,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 8: the week of qualifying, is now massive fundraiser. And the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 8: US Open last fall added the mixed doubles, which was
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: a huge success. The other majors will follow with that.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 8: They're all selling twenty five dollars drinks now, and the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 8: US Open was the leader on that front, and they
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 8: made about eighteen million dollars last year selling melon ball
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 8: drinks at the US Open. Just the drinks, Okay. So
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  Speaker 8: my point is that there's more and more ways, and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: right now there's an insatiable basically an insatiable supply of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 8: people willing to spend disposable money to come to these
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: tennis events. The four majors are making that money and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 8: the players, I think will get a higher share of
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 8: that revenue. The question I think now is going to
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 8: be which will be the first of the four majors
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 8: to break the ice.
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  Speaker 2: The figures I've seen on the French Open, players want
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: their share to go from around fifteen percent to twenty
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: two percent, And twenty two percent is a better number,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: but as you know, Ted, it's still significantly lower than
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: the standard and other professional sports when it comes to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: the share of revenues that are actually given.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: To the athletes.
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  Speaker 2: So tennis is for me shockingly far behind the team sports,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: at least when it comes to revenue distributions.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: Ye, that's what players Sean will tell you the very
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 8: same thing. The players I know, the American players are
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 8: the ones I know of a night I was with
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: somebody two weeks ago who was showing me his phone,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: and several of the top American tennis players were in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 8: a communication with this person about tell me how much
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: revenue the room the Italian Open that just finished makes,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: Tell me how much revenue Madrid takes in. The players
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: are aware, and that I said, these conversations have been going on.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 8: I think, perhaps to speed up the end game is
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: why this boycott talk has started to circulate. Of course,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 8: that's the last resort. And you have to remember that,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 8: as we learn in team sport, every time players go out,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 8: whether they strike or are locked out in anticipation of
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 8: a strike, the players lose a lot. Well, the tennis
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 8: players are the same. The top tennis players all have
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 8: endorsement deals and sponsorship deals, and they all have escalators
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 8: in them based on their ranking or their success in
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 8: Grand Slam events, so that if the top players miss
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: a major, they lose. Now the top players have enough cushion.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: I understand that no different than team sport, but still
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 8: hard to ask somebody to walk away from millions of
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: dollars to help player ranked number one fifty eight. That,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: by the way, is something that I think tennis has
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: done very well, and this is something that for example,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: let's just compare tennis and golf. Just this past week
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 8: and the PGA Championship was held. The golfers that played
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 8: Thursday and Friday and did not make the cut four
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: thousand dollars now sold tickets Thursday and Friday, didn't They
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: They sold television rights, they sold sponsorships and advertising Thursday
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 8: Friday just like Saturday Sunday. Those people have played the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: four thousand dollars.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 7: It's ridiculous.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 8: If you go to the French Open next week and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: you are in the main draw of one hundred and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 8: twenty eight players and you lose in the first round,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: you will still earn somewhere in the vicinity of one
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 8: hundred thousand US dollars. That's awesome, and that's been a
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 8: great drive by the players to help the second tier
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 8: of players.
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  Speaker 7: Let me use that as a.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: Phrase to subsidize their travel for a year, so that
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 8: if you're in the top one hundred in tennis right
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 8: now and you play in all four majors, you know
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: you start the year with four hundred thousand dollars in
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: your pocket, out of which you pay through your your
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 8: own travel, your own transportation, your own coach, your own
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 8: strength program, your own nutritionist, blah blah blah. That has
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 8: been a major step forward. So golf is way behind
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: on that. Live was the thing that finally shook golf
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: to at least the US opened golf for years. If
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: you missed the cut, you played Thursday Friday and didn't
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: make the cut, you got zero zero. How is that
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 8: allowed to happen for all those years? That's insane insanity.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: At least Live forced golf to confront some of these
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: things and make it a little bit better for their players.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Ted Robinson is our guest here talking to Little Tennis
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: on the Sean O'Connell Show. The actual tennis that we
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: expect will be played, even after all the hullabaloo, will.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: Be without Carlos Alcarez.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to miss the French Open, He's going to
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: miss Wimbledon due to this wrist injury. What does that
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  Speaker 2: do for the rest of the.
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  Speaker 8: Field, Well, it's it's tough for tennis. It's concerning for Alcoraz.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 8: Risk injuries in tennis have ended careers. The risk is
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: that one's hard, it's hard to fix, it's hard to
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 8: come back from. And the fact he's missing Wimbledon leads
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 8: you to two thoughts. One is it could be more
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  Speaker 8: serious than any of us want it to be. And
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 8: the second thought, which we all hope is the case,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 8: is they're being super cautious in making sure he comes back.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: And that's what everybody in tennis will hope. Is the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 8: real answer. For the rest of the field, it's massive
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: and I'll tell you the guy that is the most
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 8: probably inwardly hopeful of all is going to be thirty
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: nine years old in a couple of days. Let's know
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 8: vak Djokovic, because the obvious reason Djokovic continues to play
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: is only to hunt one more major. It is virtually
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 8: impossible to think he could ever win a major and
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: have to beat both Alcaaz and Sinner in a best
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 8: of five set match. That's just not This is not
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: possible for that to happen. Now, he goes to this
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 8: French Open knowing he only has to beat Sinner and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: maybe maybe he gets lucky and somebody else beats Center
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: before that would have to happen. Whether it's if Djokovic
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: ends up in the same side of the draw, he
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: would meet Center in the semifinals. If he's in the
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: opposite half, which would be his hope, he would not
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 8: have to play Center until they would both reach the final.
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  Speaker 8: So anyway, Djokovic is the first guy everybody thinks about.
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  Speaker 8: This is great news, But there are all kinds of
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  Speaker 8: hopefuls that now think I've got a much better road
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: because again that obstacle. It was the same thing sean
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: twenty years ago, a lot of people thought, my God,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 8: who is ever going to beat both Federer and the
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 8: doll in best of five in the same major, And
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: that's where Sinner and Alkorraz have until his injury to Carlos,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 8: that's where they placed.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Men's tennis, is the drawbased solely on ranking or can
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: roll on garrol? Say, well, let's put them on opposite
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: sides of the brackets, so if we if we, if
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  Speaker 2: we get what we hope for, it'll be a final
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  Speaker 2: between the two biggest names left in the tournament.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: No, No, the draws. The draws are all the seeds
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  Speaker 8: are placed. So for example, one and two are where
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: it starts. One and two end up in opposite halves automatically,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: so one and two cannot play until the final. Then
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: everything else goes. Three and four go next. But that's
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: a random draw, so three could be in either in
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  Speaker 8: the one number one half of the draw or number
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 8: two half. The seeds are then alternated all the way
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: till the seeds are finished, and then the rest of
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 8: the draws one hundred percent random. One hundred percent random,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: so there's no there's no tweaking or or not. Like
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 8: the original NBA lottery where everybody thought the knicks the
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 8: Knicks envelope. For those who don't remember this old forty
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 8: years ago the first NBA lottery, Nicks won it and
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 8: got Patrick Ewing, and there was a lot of hue
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 8: and cry that the envelope was fixed inside the drum,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 8: that David Storry would pull the Knicks name out to
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 8: get New York the big player. That doesn't happen to
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 8: the tennis draw.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm I'm going to my first Wimbledon this year.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very excited about it. Who do you know, Well,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: it's it's my wife's family. They have they have friends
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: that are not using their tickets and so I get
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: to be the beneficiary of this.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: You obviously married well, Shawnsually.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely, if I've done anything right in my life, Ted,
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  Speaker 2: it's marrying up. That's definitely. That's definitely something I can
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: go to my grave with. But it sounds like my
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: strawberries and cream are going to be like one hundred
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: dollars in order for these tournaments to maximize our revenue.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: Now, well, I would tell you absolutely that that that's
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: not going to be your experience. Wimbledon is the greatest
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 8: sporting experience I've had, and actually I worked one Master's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 8: on TV way back when and Augustus fabulous. But Wimbledon
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 8: is in a class by itself. It's in a beautiful,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 8: leafy suburb Wimbledon, just in southwest London. The club is immaculate,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 8: It is beautiful. There is a standard of behavior and
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 8: decorum on the grounds that is enforced, so you have
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 8: no real difficulties. You know, things are there. Pims is
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 8: the big drink. You'll find that out, but it's actually
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 8: the concessions there. And I haven't been to Wimbledon now
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: since twenty nineteen was my last year.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: But it was affordable.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 8: It's just a magnificent being on the grounds is just
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 8: it's special. It's and by the way, why I reacted
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 8: the way I did about the ticket now, I called
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: the super Bowl for the forty nine ers. I was
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 8: with a baseball team in the World Series and Wimbledon
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 8: is by far the toughest ticket I've ever encountered, by
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 8: far the toughest ticket. So I always tell people, if
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: you don't know somebody it was one of the two
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: or three major companies like ESPN or ing, pull your
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: credit card out and call the ticket brokers because they
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 8: all have them in London and you'll pay for it
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 8: if you want to go that badly. So good for
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 8: you for getting in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very excited about my wife.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: Actually, she got to be there for the iconic semifinal
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Alcoriz semifinal match last year. She got to be She
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: was there watching that match. I stayed home to watch
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: the kids and I was like, I hope you realize
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: what you were just witnessing. That's some of the best
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: tennis that's ever been played. Pretty cool.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, it's just Wimbledon. And the analogy I've
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: always used is Wimbledon is the Masters. Different sport but
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: the same concept. It is a private club. You walk
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: inside their gates and you answer to them, and they
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 8: answer to no one else. And it is it is
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 8: the tournament that every tennis player, no matter where they
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 8: grew up. Ralph and Nadal won fourteen rolling. Garriss's the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 8: tournament he dreamt of winning.
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  Speaker 7: Was Wimbledon.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 8: The price, it's the goal, It's the grail of the sport.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Before I let you go, I'm going to call them
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: our forty nine ers, because whether it's official or not,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: I'm still always going to associate you with the san
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Francisco forty nine ers. Is the Super Bowl window even
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: cracked open a little bit still or is it slam
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: shut given what you know, how aged the roster is
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: and what they've had to do with some of those salaries.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I no, I think it's it's still open.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 8: I mean there are definitely questions.
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  Speaker 7: You said some of the.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 8: People are, you know, have some tread on the tire.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 8: The concern in their division, first of all to me
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 8: is Seattle, which is good and young and has a
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 8: great defense. The Rams are the other team that's you know,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 8: has to turn the court. I mean, there was so
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 8: much focus on the quarterback in the first round for
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 8: the Rams, but to me, they finally had some draft
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 8: picks that they need to young themselves at other positions.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: I'll tell you my biggest forty nine er concern going
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 8: into the football season is McCaffrey. That's the guy that
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 8: what he had four hundred some odd touches last year.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: I mean, he's been a high use player for enough
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: years now that you have to concern yourself that, you know,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 8: does he have enough tread of attire to play twenty games?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: Which is what you have to do if you want
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: to play for the big prize, So that would be
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: my first, my first concern. They obviously tried to address
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: the receiver position. Kittle's another guy that you know. Kittle's
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: been around now and Kittle's been banged now. Kelsey's older
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: and still playing at a decent level. So that's the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 8: hope if you're the forty nine ers, that that George
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 8: would still have three, four or five years left in him.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 8: But again, McCaffrey to me is the biggest one in
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: the obvious other one that everybody knows. They tried to
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 8: address in the draft that they better be able to
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 8: rush the quarterback, and they tried to fix that in
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 8: the draft as well.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Ted, appreciate your time today. Let's chat again soon, my friend.
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  Speaker 8: All right, Sean, Hey, listen, enjoy Wimbledon, man, I'll be envious.
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  Speaker 2: I will enjoy it, and I'll enjoy it extra just
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: for you. So have a great call on the French Open.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 8: Thanks, thank you.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Ded Robinson a consummate professional in the business of sports broadcasting,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: one of the great play by play guys in these
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: United States of America. French Open begins this weekend at
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: roll On de Gueros and fifteen percent of the tournament
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: revenue is below the standard on ATP events.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: It's below the other Grand Slams.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: That's why there was the threat of people boycotting the
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: French Open. Some big time players, a big time voices
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: in tennis were like, don't boycott. Let's do the peaceful
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: negotiation thing. Let's make sure that we work this out
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: the best way possible. If you're trying to increase your
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: share as an athlete to twenty two percent, you're so
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: far behind the eight ball.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: I can't believe tennis has been getting away with this
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: for so long.
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  Speaker 3: Trotting out a starting lineup.
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  Speaker 2: None of us recognized, wondering what the heck was going on,
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  Speaker 3: But it worked.
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  Speaker 2: The Utah Jazz are picking at number two in a
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  Speaker 2: deep draft. We don't know who the player is going
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  Speaker 2: to be yet, but we're gonna get the number two draft.
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  Speaker 2: And everyone tells us, all the experts say that this
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  Speaker 10: You know, I swear I've heard this before, and I
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 10: I was pretty sure that we gave it away, didn't we.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we have traded. We've traded out this one. They're
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  Speaker 2: that you were resting last year. You were pretending we're
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: injured last year or were legitimately injured whatever, And those
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: guys are now ready to start competing for real, and
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: you're going to add one final piece, a little cherry
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: on top with this hyper talented rookie, either aj De
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Bonsa who's down at BYU, Darren Peterson who was at
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Kansas Cam Boozer, who's dad, Carlos played for this organization
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: of course, and is in the front office.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: The idea is, and we cross our fingers, it's true
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: that each of those level of players can get you
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: over the hump a little bit. Then I watched the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: playoff games last night and I see what the San
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Antonio Spurs have and I'm like, yeah, but there were
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: still a million miles away.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: That's a big hump. Yeah, to get over there.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 10: Any idea of who they're leaning towards me.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Well, it looks like it's going to be Darren Peterson,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: this cat from Kansas, and there's questions around him because
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: he had cramping issues and hamstring issues in college, so
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have to make sure he passes all the
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: physicals and things like that. It's above my pay grades. Certainly,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: it's a complicated issue. But he's a talented guy. Undeniably,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: he's a talented guy. He's a former number one player
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: and hopefully, hopefully, if they do end up drafting him,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: he'll be awesome and he'll be healthy. If they don't
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: draft him, it'll be Carlos Boozer's kid, which would be
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: kind of a cool story.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'll just be happy to have him win, have
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 10: him win again.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: They're at least gonna try.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 10: That's something.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: Honestly, that's as much of the issue for me is
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: for four years we've been expected to accept the fact
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: that they're not trying.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: That's not okay in your business.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 10: No, no, I mean, And that's the funny thing is
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 10: to come out and say, hey, guys, look this year.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 10: Don't worry about this year. We're looking to next year. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 10: we I couldn't imagine if if we were running a
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 10: business like the Jazz runs their business, we would be
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 10: out of business. So that is for sure.
• 1:28:16
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• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: sports fan calling you in and calling it, hey, I
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: really need you to fix this air conditioner. I got
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: to be like, look, we're not going to try this time. Well,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: next year, next year, next year, call us next year
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: next year, that's when we'll come replace your air conditioner.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: And the response I think would not be well.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 10: And I'm sure they'll call us next year, right, I'm sure.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Well that's the hypothetical. That's not how it's really going
• 1:28:42
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• 1:28:44
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• 1:28:47
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• 1:28:49
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• 1:28:53
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• 1:28:58
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• 1:29:00
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• 1:29:04
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• 1:29:07
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• 1:29:09
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  Speaker 1: M We no, you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 6: Cross.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. This is considered
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: this an extension of the Daily Dump by Valley Plumbing
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: we had Robin's studio. There's some sports stories I definitely
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: wanted to touch on here, including good news for the
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: Utah baseball team. Four players given Big Twelve All Conference.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: Honors. Left Fielder Jake Long.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Was voted All Second Team All Big Twelve second baseman,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: and DH cal Miller earned a spot on the All
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: Freshmen team. Jet Gilliam centerfielder, Cam Gurney first baseman, all
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: landed on the honorable mention list for All Big Twelve
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: honors as well, So Cal Miller second baseman, DH All
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Freshman Team and even as a fresh shman Honorable Mention
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: All Big Twelve.
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  Speaker 3: Future is very bright for that young man.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: So a nice little, nice little nod to the boys
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: playing at the new Charlie mont Ford Field.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it seems like the future is relatively bright for
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 9: the Utes. Hopefully they can parlay this into a really
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 9: good year next season. And just because they're all so local,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 9: give a shout out to the rivals as well. They
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 9: had a couple of guys on the list BYU had
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 9: infielder Ezra McNaughton and relief pitcher Ashton Johnson on All
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 9: Big Twelve teams and the scholar and Ashton Johnson was
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 9: the League Scholar Athlete of the Year as well, So
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 9: shout out to those kooks too.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I need to see, what I want
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: to see, We need a little college baseball is one
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: of those things that you probably don't seek out enough,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: but every time you come across it, you're like, oh, yeah,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: let me watch this game and ESPN Plus has become
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: kind of the home, especially for Utah baseball, for a
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: lot of Big twelve baseball. Just throw that on where
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit easier to find a few times
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: a year, and you'll get much better exposure. We've found
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: that with the Women's College World Series, with the men's
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: College World Series. We found that with women's basketball. As
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: soon as you give it a more accessible place in
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: the broadcasting world, people are like, yeah, man, why am
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: I not watching this? And then they are more prone
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: to seek it out. So I'd like to see some
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: of the broadcast deals for college baseball get just a
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: little better. There's innumerable networks that need content. College baseball
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: will be a place where I'd like to see some
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: more exposure.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah, TNT has a Big twelve. They have a partnership
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 9: with the Big Twelve. I'm not sure I noticed any
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 9: baseball games on. Maybe I just missed them. That would
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 9: be a good idea. There your your favorite channel, True TV,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 9: maybe why not part of the part of that Turner network.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 9: And then the other thing I think of is like
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 9: they started after the Caitlin Clark boone for women's sports
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 9: and college sports in particular, they started putting. They put
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 9: the they put gymnastics Championships on ABC for the first time,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 9: if not ever, for in a very long time, and
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 9: that's where they live now. The Nationals are on ABC
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 9: that Saturday in April. I wonder if I don't know,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 9: if I don't know if you can justify it because
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 9: you still got big NBA regular season games that are
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 9: going on or ABC on the weekends. I wonder if
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 9: they might be able to do some college baseball on
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 9: ABC before the playoffs NBA and NHL playoffs start.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Kaitlyn Clark, you just mentioned Caitlyn Clark. She's
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: been named the Grand Marshal of the Indy five hundred.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: That race is available here on ESPN seven hundred and
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: ninety two one FM on Sunday at nine am. It's
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  Speaker 2: pretty darn cool, especially for a sports figure in Indiana.
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  Speaker 9: That little race. She's she's the honorary. What does a
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 9: Grand Marshall actually do? By the way, do we do
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 9: we know? Gentlemen, start your engines. Oh, that's what she does. Okay,
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  Speaker 9: so she'll she does the iconic there.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's what I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's kind of the and maybe you get
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: to waive the checkered flag.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: You're basically down on the track and you get, yeah,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: you get.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: It's just you know, it's it's like thrown out a
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: first pitch, but a bigger deal because there's a trillion
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: baseball games and there's one Indy five dred. I mean
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: even I have thrown out a first pitch at a
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: major League baseball game.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: You have what game? Uh?
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: When I when I got the job in San Francisco,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: we were the flagship home of the Oakland A's, and
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: so I got to go throw out in Oakland A's
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: Houston Astro's first pitch.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 9: It was like it was like honoring the radio station
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 9: kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's just like it's just like game game number
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  Speaker 2: one and four in the season. We didn't have real celebrities,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: so could you guys do it their day game. They're
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: just like, oh, yeah, you're you're the radio partner. That's
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: actually really cool. It was awesome. Sean Doolittle was the
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: player who caught caught my first pitch. I did throw
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: from the rubber and I did throw strike. It was
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: I felt very happy about that. It was gonna say,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: how the miles per hour. It's a strike, people, That's
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: all that matters. All right, Let's just say it was
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: not major league standard. It was not exactly major league velocity.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: But I think I because I had my one successful
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: first pitch, I really do believe that I know where
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: the flaw of everyone else comes in. I think people
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: are worried about they don't want to make it look
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: like they're trying, you know what I mean. I think
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: everyone just just like, ah, this is no big deal,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: and they're real casual about it, and they don't want
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: to put effort in. They don't want to throw hard,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: and it just goes They either bounces, Yeah, they either
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: bounce it or they rainbow it, or you get like
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: the fifty cent thing where it just flies out of nowhere. Now,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: if you're an NFL quarterback and the arm angles all
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: different or whatever, like I forgive you for throwing the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: bad first pitch, they all stink at it. Patrick Mahomes,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: He threw a bad first pitch. He grew up his
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: entire life playing baseball, right, all of that is totally forgivable.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: But I think for the regular folk that get a
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: chance to do it, I think where they go wrong
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: is they're scared.
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  Speaker 3: It's that self defeating thing.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: You're like, well, if I don't try, then it's not
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: embarrassing that it's bad.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 9: It sounds a lot like what Blake Mike Coski was
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 9: talking about a little bit where it's getting into the
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 9: flow state. If you're not in the flow state, you
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 9: just gotta you gotta try and and just getting that flow.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: I did have a serious debate whether I was gonna
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: throw from the stretch or do a full wind up. Yeah,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: and I ended up throwing just from the stretch. Yeah,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: just just easier.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: Too much can go wrong when you haven't thrown a
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: wind up.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: To do this when you haven't play, you haven't thrown
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: a pitch since Little League, you know what I mean.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: You're just like, oh man, I don't know if my
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: feet know the right place to go here, or thrown
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: from the stretch, which, you know what. It'd be funny
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: if someone threw a first pitch and instead of throwing
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: the first pitch, they tried to pick someone off at
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: first base.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: I've never seen that before. Oh yeah, just have you
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: that's what you should have done.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 9: Have your radio partner to get a lead at first
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 9: base and try to try to pick him up. No,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 9: I was gonna say, you, former catcher, maybe you should
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 9: have gotten down your catching stance and got up like
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 9: you're throwing some guy out at second.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 6: That would be awesome.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Also, like that's maybe that's what they should do if
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: you're throwing out the first time you're invited, if you're
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: a celebrity, you get to throw out the first pitch,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: and then the next time you have to throw somebody
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: out at second, and then the next time you have
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: to go to like center field, catch a fly ball
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: and try to go at home, try to throw them
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: out at home, like you have to keep you have
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: to that level up your side quests. If you're invited
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: to throw out a first pitch more time than once.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: We got to get Tony Parks.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 9: Shout out to Tony Park's Voice of the Bees to
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 9: see if we can't get another first pitch from Sean
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 9: O'Connell well at the America First Ballpark in America First Square.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to the Bees.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: They actually asked me after I won my PFL championship,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: they actually asked me. They offered me an opportunity to
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: go throw out the first pitch again, but I was
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: out of town. I was doing a PFL event as
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: the announcer, and it bummed me out.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: I couldn't do it. Yeah, because you know the Bees.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I've been to plenty of Oakland A's games working for them, right,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: but the Bees I've been to my whole life have
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: gone to beast game. So I was like, I was
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: really looking forward to doing that and I wasn't able.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: To pull it off. It's a bad deal, too bad.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: But anyway, Kaitlyn Clark, the way we got on this tangent,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: Kaitlyn Clark Grand Marshal of the Indy five hundred this weekend.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: You can listen to it right here on ESPN seven
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety two to one FM.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: Did you see speaking of baseball real quick?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 9: Did you see that the Angels were getting no hit
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 9: into the ninth inning? And speaking of the A's, look
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 9: at that no hit into the ninth inning by the
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 9: A's end up winning on a walk off.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: Wow?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 9: Like that's the you know they do the ESPN does
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 9: the predictor what do they call it, the your percentage
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 9: chance to win? I can't remember the term they use.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 9: That had to have been like ninety nine point nine,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 9: Oakland slash Sacramento.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: And the Angels pull off the victory of the ninth inning?
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: Are they called all of them the Sacramento A's on
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: the broadcast, ever, I think it's Oakland A's.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 9: But they're playing in Sacramento, and they're they actually might
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 9: make the playoffs this year as the year that they
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 9: spent full time in Sacramento. That would that would be
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 9: kind of a dagger to the heart of A's fans.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 6: There's still in Oakland.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: It would be awesome for Sacramento, right, And then they would,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: of course like, but if you get a playoff team
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: in your little like thrown together park, minor league baseball park,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: and then they leave you after making you fall in
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: love with them for real by making a little playoff
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: run and being a great story, and they're like, ah,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: just kidding.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: We're going to Vegas.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: The renderings, by the way, for the Oakland Athletics Arena,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Athletics Arena that they keep throwing out there.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: It's going to be they if they build it, ever,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: it's going to be the most gorgeous ballpark in history.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: But Vegas Athletics still doesn't sit.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 6: Right with me.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it would be if they make the play if
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 9: the A's make the playoffs this year, playing and at
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 9: the River Cats Stadium Triple A uh in Sacramento.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: And by the way, it's river Space Cat. It's not.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: It used to be one word river Cats. They changed
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: it's the river Cats.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 6: Interesting.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a big thing and it upset me greatly.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: One word river cat, yeah, right, silver wolf, river cat.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: When you're adding an adjective to something, making it one
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: word gives it a more official tone.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 9: So if they do that, it would be like and
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 9: it didn't happen for the Coyotes, but it'd be like
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 9: if the Coyotes made the playoffs the season before they
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 9: became the Mammoth Utah Hockey Club in that college arena
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 9: in Tempe, right, Mullet Arena at Mullet Arena, that this
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 9: is the Mullet Arena of Major League ballparks.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: Right now, last thing I want to cover here before
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: we get to Tom Callahan to start our number three
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jigba. All right, you saw this offensive
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: player of the Year in the NFL. They sent him
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: as trophy and unless he's pulling a prank on us,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: they sent to a trophy that says defensive Player of
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: the Year.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: Terrible.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: At the NFL Honors, when it was announced that he
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: was getting this award, they mispronounced his name several times.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: The reason I'm bringing this up is because this is
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: the crap that always happens to me. I have a
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: long history of this, right, Like, I don't want to
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: impress everyone too much, but I was. I was a
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: two way starter and captain on my terrible head school
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: football team. Oh and when we got our jerseys for
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: my senior year, okay team captain, senior year, multiple year starter,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: already are away jersey, they left one of the ends
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: out of my last name, oh Man, so it said
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: oh Coonell.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: And I was just like, what the crap. You can't
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 6: misspelled my name.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: You've of the captain, Like it doesn't even make sense
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: to misspell the names of people who are not important
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: players on a team. You can't misspell my name. So
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: my eighteen year old self really hated that all right.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: When I got my big fat check, you know, the
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: big ceremonial check, A million dollar check, it said PFL
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: Middleweight Champion.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: I was a light heavyweight.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: They gave me the wrong, and I was just like,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not the middleweight cham but now thankfully they were like, hey,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: we're sorry about that, and then they sent one that
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: had so it actually worked out. Okay, they still have
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: the check. It actually worked out. Okay, day I brought
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: the Giant checks. I should bring it because it's just
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: in my office, which is mostly a storage room at
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: the house. So they set they sent one out and
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: they were just like, hey, sorry that they sent one
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: that was correct and says light heavyweight, which means there's
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: a Giant check at the gym and there's a Giant
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: check in my house.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: So we got both, which is good. Did you put
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: the middleweight one at the gym?
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: I should have switched because that one is seen way
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: more often than the one at my house.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: It was probably not too late to switch it out.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: I could, I could switch it out.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 9: I've never seen a Giant check one of those Giant
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 9: checks in person.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: You've ever seen a Giant check in person? The funniest
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: thing about a Giant check the funniest things ever, they're great.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: So the funniest thing about my own Giant check experien
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: it's was getting on the airplane with it because you
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: can't check it in. It's like weird, it's gonna get broken.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: It's gonna get broken. It's not exactly that, Like it's
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: like plastic. It's not durable, right, And so it doesn't
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: fit in the overhead, right, it doesn't fit the overhead
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: you know where it does fit in the little coat
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: closet they have in first class.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: So walked on the plane, was just like hey, and
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: by the way.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: I was not flying this. I was not flying first class,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: which is also hilarious. Where can I put that? Which
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: is also hilarious When you're carrying on a check that
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: says one million dollars and you're in zone five going
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: to the back of the airplane with like a black
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: eye looks.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 9: That people give you why is that guy flying in coat? Yeah,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 9: they're just like it says a million dollars. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 9: it's a It was funny.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: But did you I'll have to bring it in, did
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: you cat?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 6: Did you take it to the bank. No.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: A lot of guys do just to be funny to
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: like like put a social media video out. They like
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: take their giant check to the bank. That's been done.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do it.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't do that.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: I just held my breath because the way it works
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: out a little inside baseball.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: Some of you probably already know this. The way it
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: works out when you.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: Win a prize like that, like a purse, a fight
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: purse like that, they don't pay you out the win
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: until your drug test comes back. Oh, they don't pay
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: it out until they make sure you're not on steroids.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: And so I had to wait for the drug test
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: to come back, and I actually was very nervous because
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: there was a you know, the band Phish, Yeah, there was.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: A Phish concert.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 9: I was about to make this joke office style Michael
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 9: Scott getting the random drug tests. He went to a
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 9: concert the weekend before.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: There was a Fish concert the night before, and the
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: whole arena smelled like marijuana. Everywhere you walked in the
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: place smelled thickly of weed. And I'm just like, is
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: this gonna affect to get a the urine sample. I'm like,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: is it just gonna like absorb this from the air.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: I was worried. Thankfully, my buddy, who's a he was
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: a police officer at the time. Now he's a federal
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: law enforcement officer. He was just like you're fine. It's like,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: it actually takes a lot in order to show up
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: in a drug test, a urine test.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: There's gotta be a lot of weed. You're gonna be
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 9: Like he didn't say that that you might not get
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 9: some of the second hand whatever, but he did say
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 9: it's not gonna be enough to show up with it.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, I don't want to be breathing
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: this in this like fog left over from the fish concert. Anyway,
• 1:47:53
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  Speaker 6: How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'm doing well. It's a fun time a year
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 7: to be following hockey. And hey, you talk about golf.
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  Speaker 7: Unfortunately another team is golfing. But and then there were.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: Four so uh, before we before we get to any
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: of the x's and o's of these these series in
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: the Western Eastern Conference finals, can you give me and
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: our listeners some context on Torts and his beef with
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: the NHL media.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: Why did it?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: Why did the Vegas Knights take the fine lose a
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: draft pick when they were winning and advancing, they didn't
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: want to talk to the media.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 7: You know what, it's it's kind of crazy.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 7: I mean this dates all the way back to and
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 7: I have a bunch of John Tortorella stories when I
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 7: was the one play by play in Nashville for the preads.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 7: I mean, even talking to him then could be an adventure.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 7: And you know, really you learned, and one of the
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 7: things dealing with towards taught you was you better have
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 7: put some thought behind the question you're about to ask.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 7: And even if you had, he might still think it
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 7: was a dumb question and not want to answer it,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 7: and he would chide you for it. But you know,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 7: he he's just that way. It's his personality. He is
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: actually a really, really good human being. But there's aspects
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: of this job he absolutely hates and he kind of
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: hates the media having their nose in his team's business
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 7: in any form or fashion. And I mean that includes
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 7: the guys that he works with. His own broadcast team,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 7: his own reporters can have a foreigning relationship with him.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 7: It's just kind of how he's always been. He protects
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 7: his players, and you know it's not he will shoot
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: you straight, but he needs to. And that's the very
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 7: interesting thing is he doesn't give you much. But when
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: he does, boy, there's always a reason. He has a
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 7: message to get out. He's very calculated with it, and
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 7: I think in a lot of ways, what that does
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 7: is it puts the focus on John Tortorella. The focus
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 7: is not on Mitch Marner. It's not on Carter Hart,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 7: who could be a distraction all by himself. It's not
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 7: on Hey, what about your injury situation with your team?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 7: You know, is Mark Stone even fifty percent at this point?
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 7: It takes a lot of that away, and everybody's looking
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 7: at him going, oh, they just lost a draft pick.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 7: Oh they took a fine. That's torts And now that's
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 7: what we're talking about. And so there's there's a lot
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 7: of I just you know, I just like the mad professor.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of thought and.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 7: A lot of reason behind what he does. But does
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 7: it make our job as media members a little more difficult? Yes,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 7: even though sometimes the story writes itself, it's not the
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 7: story you want to write.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: Because you mentioned Carter Hart, I got to ask you
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: this as well. How many times have you seen a
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: goalie rip off their own mask when the other team
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: is possessing the puck in the ozone?
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 7: Well, they do it a lot on purpose, obviously, because
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 7: it gets a whistle so the play will stop immediately.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 7: What I would love to see if a strap breaks
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 7: on a helmet, and I'm convinced the reason these guys
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 7: don't go to metal buckles on their helmets is because
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 7: the plastic ones do break and afford them the chance
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 7: to get whistles when they need them. I would actually
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 7: like the international rule on this is when a goaltender
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 7: gets hit in the head by any shot, the play
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 7: just stops. I actually really like that rule. As a
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 7: goaltender myself, I think that that's good because sometimes you're fine,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 7: sometimes you're not, and if the mask stays on your head,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: there's no way for people to know. But that said,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 7: if you want to take that element out of the game,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: because guys will shake their helmets off, they'll pull their
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 7: helmets off to get the whistle. If you feel a
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: goalie did it intentionally without reason or needing to, I
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 7: want to see a delay game penalty and that would
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 7: really put some pause. And believe me, if you call
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 7: that against John Tortorella, he is going to crucify you.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 7: But if you do it and you you know you
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 7: can somehow process the intent of the goaltender in this case,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 7: Carter heart to be he just wanted a whistle, then
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: you know you can you can levy a delay game
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 7: penalty for that, because it's it's stopping the game, and
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 7: until they do that, he's going to keep doing it.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 7: And absolutely, I see goaltenders do stuff like that all
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 7: the time. Taking off your mask ocie is the new
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 7: knocking the net off, because they used to not get
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 7: penalties for knocking the net off as much as they
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 7: do now. Now it's pretty much an automatic call, or
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 7: at least it should be. So now police flip the
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 7: mask off.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: I guess when you're up four one or five to one,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: you can afford the delay of game penalty and there's
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: no disincentive to do it.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: But yeah, it was.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: I saw so much of Carter Hart's face in that
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: game because he got handifin knocked his mask off, and
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: then he ripped his own mask off, and I was like,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: this is weird. I'm not supposed to see your face
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: while you're playing in net.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 7: Maybe he's trying to market himself better.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it could be, could be. All right,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: let's talk. Let's talk about the series now. The Golden
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: Knights Avalanche handicapped this one.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 6: For me.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: You've got a Knight's team that has played some really
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: good hockey through these playoffs. And then you've got the Avalanche,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: who've been as dominant as anyone I can remember in
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: recent memory. They were great in the regular season, they've
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: been great in these playoffs.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: What do the Knights have to do in order to
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: try to steal this?
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 7: On paper, there's no reason Vegas should win this series.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 7: And I think that's that's our starting point. Is you
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 7: look at coming into this final on the western side,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 7: the Avalanche have been rolling. They've won eight out of nine,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 7: and even during the regular season, Colorado didn't lose in
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 7: regulation to Vegas. There's a lot of things to say. Okay,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: here's why you really like Colorado, and it's a lot
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 7: of the same old, same old with Colorado. They're getting
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: pretty good goaltending. They've got pretty good special teams, although
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 7: sometimes you know they're powerfully it's not always the best,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 7: which is weird, but you think of how much talent
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 7: they have. But what they do is they hang on
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 7: to the puck and they are a very good puck
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 7: possession team and it makes the other team chase them,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 7: and they can score in transition. They can score off
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 7: of zone time, they can roll a very deep lineup,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: even you know whenever they do go through bumps and
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 7: bruises and injuries. Honestly, the Golden Knights have been streaky
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 7: and inconsistent, but they have to beat Colorado with their
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 7: own game. They have to figure out a way to
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 7: hang on to the puck. The Ducks were a little
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 7: bit more fly by the seat of the pants opponent.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 7: They could score, but they just didn't defend as well.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 7: Colorado is a really really good defending team. They take
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 7: care of their own zone really really well. Vegas just
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 7: has to find ways to win battles. They've got to
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 7: win the puck battle on the wall. They've got to
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 7: be able to get to the loose pucks. First, They've
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 7: got to try to turn the Colorado defense, which is
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 7: really hard to do. They have to find ways to
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 7: do these things and then spend some time in the
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 7: zone and beat not one, but two goaltenders who've been
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 7: very good, and I mean, you really don't know what
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 7: the secret is. Scott Wedgwood's been awesome. Mackenzie Blackwood has
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 7: also been pretty good, but Wedgwood's the guy. The Golden Knights.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: Their talent has to be either talent and they at
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 7: Carter Art's got to stand on his head more than
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 7: he already has in the playoffs, and you know, Vegas
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 7: just has to find a way. Their best players really
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 7: need to score a ton of goals. Because Colorado is
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 7: capable of putting up the numbers that are capable of
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 7: hanging on to the pluck. They're going to limit your opportunities.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 7: It's a really tough ask.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: You and I have talked about Mitch Marner a lot
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: on the show.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: Obviously in the in the first round playoff series against
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: the Mammoth there was good reason too, but he was
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: good against the Wild as well. What is his role
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: going to be in this second or in this Western
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: Conference series?
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 7: So I mean, you look at it's kind of crazy
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 7: the two ends, right, Marner and McKennon are the storylines
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: for both these teams. I think Mitch Marner five goals
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 7: in that series against the Ducks. He's scoring right now.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 7: He also, I mean, I'm sure a lot of folks
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 7: kind of remember Marner from you know, scoring two against
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 7: the mammothon in Game six.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 6: He's a guy that.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 7: This is what Toronto fans are kind of angsty about
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 7: this right now. That's what they wanted. They wanted to
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: see him. They wanted to see him explode and dominate
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 7: and be a force in the playoffs, and it's happening
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 7: right now, and that is exactly what's going on for
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 7: the Vegas Golden Knights. And then you know, the flip
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 7: side of that is Nate McKinnon, who's scoring a high clip.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 7: He's got seven goals so far in the playoffs. He's
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 7: got a six game goal scoring streak going, so he
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 7: is on fire right now. I mean, he's playing so well.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 7: And both of those guys are the leaders offensively, I
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 7: think on their team, even though we can talk about
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 7: Jack Eichele for Vegas, and I think the best thing
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 7: Michael can do is support Marner as much as he
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: can and try to keep Marner stick hot and let
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 7: Marner continue to do Mitch Marner things, which, honestly, I
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 7: think it took a while for Marder to get comfortable
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 7: in Vague. So that's all part of it too, you know.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 7: Whether I'm not saying that it took them a while
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 7: to move in and enjoy his new home, I'm saying
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  Speaker 7: on the ice, it takes a while to find chemistry
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 7: with guys, to learn their tendencies over the course of
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 7: the season. I think that's now bearing fruit for Vegas.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 7: And McKinnon doesn't have that problem. You know, he's been
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 7: there forever. This team knows itself really well. There's been
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: very little turnover with the Avalanche, a lot of familiarity.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 7: But these two guys, I mean, as they go, so
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 7: go their teams, and it is going to be a
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  Speaker 7: series of the superstars.
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  Speaker 2: Any chance that we see an excessive rest a little
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: rusted from Colorado because they've been sitting for a little
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  Speaker 2: longer than Vegas.
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  Speaker 7: Has always a chance, always a chance. I actually I'm
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 7: worried about it for Carolina, Like coming in against Montreal
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 7: and Montreal's now played the Max so far fourteen games
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  Speaker 7: best to sevens and they won both of them. And
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 7: when you sit, yeah, russ becomes a thing. I really
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 7: feel like the best time to rest is probably three
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 7: maybe four days max. When you're sitting at any longer
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 7: than that, you can get a little rusty, and whether
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 7: it's a slow first period or a slow game one
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 7: that is a trap the Avalanche can fall into. Now
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 7: they are playing at home and there are you know,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of things. I'm sure Jared bednar is
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 7: trying to prepare his team for against the Golden Knights.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 7: Don't get caught standing around, keep moving your feet, don't
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 7: take lazy penalties, you know, get out there and really
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 7: try to make as much as you can, like Miserable
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 7: on the Golden Knights. I expect the first ten minutes
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 7: of this Game one for the Golden Ice to be spectacular.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 7: I think they're going to come out flying and they
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 7: need to. They really need to push the advantage against
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 7: the Avalanche, and they should feel pretty good. So yeah,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 7: it could be a very slow Game one for the Apps.
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  Speaker 7: I really think it could be, and that's something they
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 7: absolutely have to be vigilant about.
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  Speaker 2: You already mentioned my treo. They close it out in
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: Game seven overtime. New hook with two Game seven winners
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  Speaker 2: in this series, and you know, he was gone about
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: half the season this year for Montreal.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know this that he had this in him.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: Are you surprised that it's been him with the Game
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  Speaker 2: seven heroics in the first two series.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: And that's the fun thing about the Stanley Cup final
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 7: is or Stanta Cup playoffs in general. You never know.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 7: You never know who the new hero is going to be.
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  Speaker 7: The guy who steps up. It can be exactly how
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 7: it's scripted, which is what we're seeing right now in
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 7: the West, or it can be a guy who you're
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 7: scratching your head about going really him. But that's the
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 7: fun of it is players. I love when guys reveal
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  Speaker 7: themselves to be real postseason gamers. I don't care what
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 7: sport it is, but you take a player who flies
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 7: under the radar or maybe just puts up average numbers,
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 7: but all of a sudden, that player gets in the
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 7: postseason and for whatever reason, they just amp it up.
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  Speaker 7: And I think it's a lot of fun to see
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 7: guys who do things like that were able to score
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 7: big goals in big situations. Montreal is a scrappy team there,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 7: I think the second youngest team in the NHL. They're
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 7: almost running on the adrenaline and the ignorance of youth
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 7: at this point. And there were a lot of times
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 7: in that game seven answer Savers, I just thought Montreal
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 7: they looked like they were against the ropes. They look tired,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 7: they'd beaten, but they found a way and that's been
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 7: the story of their postseason. Because I felt the same
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 7: thing with them playing the Lightning now Here. We are
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 7: with them getting through to play Carolina, who've gone through
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 7: the East like a hot knife through butter to their detriment.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 7: I think that it'll be twelve days between games for
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 7: them by the time they see it off on Thursday.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 7: So here's a chance for Montreal to come in and
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 7: really punch Carolina right in the nose on home ice
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 7: and steal a game. So I just I love the
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 7: big stories though your original question. I just love it
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 7: when you see the guys step up like this because
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 7: everybody who's looking at col Coffield and in the regular season,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 7: so I think NEWLK is a tremendous story.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many people in this Salt Lake
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: City radio market ever thought they would need to pay
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: attention to monkd and Wildcats hockey. But here we are,
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: Gabe Smith, the Mammoth prospect playoff MVP with absurd numbers.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: As I know you're well aware, nineteen goals, thirty three
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: points in the playoffs.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: What is going on with Gabe Smith?
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 7: He was almost a goal of a game. It was
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 7: only twenty one games and he scored nineteen goals. I mean,
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 7: that is the definition of on fire. It just wow,
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 7: what a great showing from a prospect too. Quite frankly,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 7: we haven't given a whole lot of airtime too now. Unfortunately,
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 7: Monkton came up short in the QMJHL final, Shakudame beats
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 7: them and they go to the Memorial Cup. But wow,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 7: that's just right now things look so rosie with the prospects,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 7: with the pipeline for the Utah Mammoth, it's incredible. And
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 7: Gabe Smith is that was his coming out party or
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 7: so we hope right. I don't want to see that
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 7: be a flash in the pants. Speaking of guys who
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 7: elevate their game during the playoffs, Smith absolutely exploded this
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 7: spring and wow, what a performance. Now Smith is going
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 7: to for sure be on the radar at summer rookie camp,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 7: at development camp and then into training camp in the fall.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 7: Along with Now we're always talking about the top picks.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 7: The Danoye is the gaining list of both lends. Now
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 7: he's another name that's got to be mentioned there. And
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 7: Boyle boy it. It's exciting if you're a Mammoth fan.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 7: But yeah, you might want to invest in some knowledge
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 7: about the month and wildcasts. They seem to be playing
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 7: a big role for this Utah Mammoth team.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: Well, when you look at the playoff points records for Monkton,
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: it's Gabe Smith at the top now, and then a
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: couple names down the afore mentioned Caleb Danoy. So you're
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: your pipeline is looking pretty healthy with these young guys.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: With respect to Smith, and you talk about the attention
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: that he's now going to Garner as the Mammoth are
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: taking a look at the young rising prospects. How much
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: does his size help him into to maybe give him
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: a leg up because he's a big, big boy.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 6: He's still young.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: He's probably gonna put on before it's all said and done,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: another ten pounds a good of good weight, I would imagine,
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: because he's got that big frame. But that's something that
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: Bill Armstrong and this Mammoth team have been pretty transparent about.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: They want to be big, they want to be bullies,
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: they want to be a physical team. He's six four
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: two twenty five at nineteen years of age.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 7: If you can take a guy who has not only
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 7: hands but skating and a good hockey mind and you
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 7: can put it into a five nine one sixty five
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 7: or a six three two thirty, you know you're always
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 7: gonna pick putting it in the six three two thirty
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 7: because that hot nine guy, Yes he's got he could
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 7: make the NHL, and he can do do it by
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 7: skill and by cunning and by hockey sense. But it
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 7: is much harder and they have to work a lot harder.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 7: They have to be that much better. But when you
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 7: also have the size, and that's one thing I know
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 7: the Mammoth want to get better on is winning those
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 7: fuck battles, being a better team, being so much harder
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 7: to play against. It's exciting to see the breakout because
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 7: now you think, boy, not only can he be a
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 7: big guy who can use that strength and that size
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 7: to separate guys from pucks and to make things happen,
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 7: he can also use it on the offensive side, where
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 7: he's able to complete a rush. He might not be
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 7: as easy to move off the punk or move from
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 7: ounta in front of the net. Smith with the prospect
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 7: of him maybe becoming a true NHL power forward is
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 7: super exciting, and I don't think you can never have
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 7: too many of those guys. Blive me. The Mammoth have skill,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 7: You've got plenty of skill, But you look at a
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 7: player like a loss in Kraus, and when Krause is on,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 7: he is awesome. He can shoot, but he checks, he
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 7: will throw hits. He can also get to the front
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 7: of the net. He plays a tough game. He can
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 7: be a miserable cuss to play against, and I like
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 7: having that guy on my team. So I gave Smith
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 7: turns into another one of those guys. I welcome that
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 7: with open arms. I love it.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: So if you're putting a percentage on how likely it
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: is he's in a Mammoth sweater at all next season,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: what would you say for Gabe Smith?
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 7: It really so this is here watching me, heach my
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 7: bet Sosie. It really depends on who's coming back in
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 7: the summer. We actually just got done talking about it
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 7: on the show about there's ten guys now, and it'll
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 7: be eleven by the time the season hits. That a
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 7: thirty plus, and I expect some of those guys will
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 7: be out on the Mammoth team. But we talked about, oh,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 7: it's a young team, it's the young team. It's actually not.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of older guys there. I think they're
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 7: going to have to make some hard decisions on whether
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 7: or not to re sign some guys, maybe ask some
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 7: guys to take a pay cut or a two way
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 7: to make room. But here's really if I'm predicting for
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 7: Gabe Smith, I think there's a few players in front
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 7: of him in the line but when it might be
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 7: one of them again, Less certainly going to get his shot,
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 7: and you know, I'm interested to see what he does
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 7: in the Memorial Cup coming up, but also danil Boot
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 7: is going to get his shot. I think the realistic
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 7: idea is that he ends up in Tucson in the
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 7: American Hockey League. What I would love to see. I
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 7: would love to see all those guys we just talked
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 7: about in Tucson and put together a really really good
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 7: American Hockey League season with a big run, with a
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 7: long run through the playoffs, maybe even a Calder Cup championship,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 7: and have them learn and grow together as the next
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 7: up and coming core. And then as these older players,
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 7: these thirty plus guys begin to graduate out of the lineup,
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 7: they here's a big word to matriculate from the AHL
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 7: the NHL, and that's where their impact comes. And they're
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 7: already battle tested, So I'm not in the rush to
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 7: put them in an NHL uniform maybe I'll always give
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 7: a guy a chance, though, I mean, if he comes
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 7: in and dominates, yeah, fantastic. But we're talking five ten.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: How many people hit you up for Winter Classic tickets
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: or some connection or hookup to Winter Classic tickets when
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: they went on presale last week?
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 7: Oh my goodness. It's everybody. Everybody I know is like hey,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 7: you know, whether it's asking me if I'm you know, no,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 7: for press passes or for tickets, or for just the
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 7: buzz around the Winter Classic is insane, and it's it's
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 7: still pretty cool to see because this is something that
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 7: maybe five or six years ago people were wondering had
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 7: to run its course. Are there too many outdoor games?
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 7: I think the buzz right now Mammoth Land around this
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 7: is so high and so awesome. I cannot imagine that
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 7: you'd want to not have these anymore, especially in market
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 7: like this that are that are excited about it, that
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 7: have never had this type of experience. Yeah, people are
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 7: coming onto the woodwork. And even when they announced the game,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 7: my phone was blown up with people already you know,
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 7: sniffing around trying to see, you know, what they could
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 7: come up with. And some people are like, hey, I
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 7: know I'm not gonna make it, but they're gonna have
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 7: merch and all this stuff, and I'm like, well, you know,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 7: you can chop online just like everybody else, but knock it.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 7: But it's just it's I can't imagine for the players
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 7: what that's going to be like, because everybody's friends and
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 7: family are going to want to be there, and it's
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 7: it's awesome. I love it.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 6: Tom.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: Always appreciate your time and your perspective. Sir, Thanks for
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: hopping on again today.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 7: Absolutely look forward to chatting with you here in the
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 7: very near future.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: It's Tom Callahan, host of the Lockdown Mammoth podcast, NHL Insider.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: He's a Mammoth insider, of course, but right now he's
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: an NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs insider, because that's all we got.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: We don't get to watch Mammoth hockey the young Pipeline though.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: If you're a real hockey junkie, I.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: Have fallen into the rabbit hole of watching the incredible
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: playoff run of this Gabe Smith kid thirty three points
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: in twenty one games, nineteen goals, fourteen assists, and he
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: is a big boy now That physicality in junior hockey
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: obviously doesn't translate directly because there's some grown men trying
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: to shove you off your spot in the NHL.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: But he anchors very very well.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: He's going to be an awesome player for this Utah
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: Mamma squad whenever his time comes. And again we've talked
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: about the sort of plan for the future simashev Boot,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: Gabe Smith. All these guys are big, not necessarily the
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: case with Tisha Ginla, but.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: They have drafted some size ladies and gentlemen.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 9: Which I think anyone who watched the first round series
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 9: Mammoth Golden Knights unfortunately Mammoth coming up short. There anyone
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 9: who watched it closely, whether you're a hockey life or
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 9: a novice, you saw one team's a lot bigger than
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 9: the other. So some shrewd drafting and signing of rookie
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 9: free agents, if you will, by Bill Armstrong and company
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 9: to try to increase their size, and hopefully we see
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 9: a lot of those guys on the NHL level soon.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: Big thanks once again to Tom Callahan. We're gonna give
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: away a free round of golf in about fifteen minutes.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: We'll take a break here.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: I want all of you out there to think right now,
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: you can text it and if you want eight seven
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  Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seven. When you got caught
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: you're a little kid, you got caught doing something wrong.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe you're a teenager. You got busted. What is the
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  Speaker 2: worst excuse you have ever given? Think of that right now,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: text it in if you want tweeted at me at
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: rialo c Sports Brandon Soorsby gave us one of the
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  Speaker 2: worst excuses I have ever heard. It's the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 2: show on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two NFM.
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  Speaker 7: Who we were.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: As you were listening to a Sean O'Connell show from
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  Speaker 1: the Murdoch Hunting Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 2: Me, all right, James Peterson, you got busted. You got
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: caught doing something you weren't supposed to be doing. What's
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: the worst excuse you ever gave? Your parents, your teacher, whatever?
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: This coming in from either Tyler or Kate on on
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: the text line eighty two to eighty two. It's a
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: it's a hyphenated first name here, worst excuse? Sorry, mom,
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  Speaker 2: I was possessed by Satan. That's scary, that's a scary
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  Speaker 2: excuse doing something you're not supposed to do. Forty three
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  Speaker 2: seventy one says I'm the oldest of five. This is
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  Speaker 2: from my youngest brother and sister. My youngest brother went
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: his pants at the age of seven. His excuse was Michelle,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: the youngest sibling wet my pants for me, so blame
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: blamed it on the younger sister.
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  Speaker 3: She wet my pants. Yeah, okay.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: I was speeding, pulled over going fifty four and a
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  Speaker 2: forty told the officer that I have dyslexia, thought I
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: was going forty five. Oh my god, that's the clever one.
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  Speaker 2: I like that. That's really good. Eight seven seven three
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  Speaker 2: five three zero seven hundred for your worst excuse uses possible.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: The reason I ask you that is because Brendan Soresby.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: He's becoming a saga. This is a daily update on
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: my show. Now I'm becoming obsessed. I'm sorry. In the
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: affidavit of his court documents, he was trying to explain
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: why he was betting on Indiana football when he was
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: a member of the Indiana roster.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: Here's the quote from the court affidavit.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: I rationalize placing those bets as a way to feel
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: more connected to the team, to root for my friends,
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: and to feel like I had a real stake in
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: the games that I otherwise was not involved in. He
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: later added, because the Indiana football team was not very
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: strong in twenty twenty two, I lost most of the
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: bets I placed.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 6: Brendan, you're underage. You know the rule.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: You cannot bet on games in college sports. You especially
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: cannot bet on college football games. You're a college football player,
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: You especially especially cannot bet on games featuring your own team.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: Why would you do such a thing.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: Well, because I wanted to feel like I was rooting
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: for my friends.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: It's a pretty bad excuse, Brendan, It's pretty dumb. Yeah,
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: that's what Pete Rose said.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 9: As the manager too, I wanted to feel like I
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 9: was part of the team as the manager making all
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 9: of the important decisions.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: Well, look different situation.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: I will say I have been low man on the
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: ladder on a really good team in college football, and
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: there is that imposter syndrome where you feel like you're
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: not really involved in the wins. Didn't have to worry
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: about the losses because we didn't lose any of those games,
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: but you feel like, oh, man, I hope. I'm doing
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to be doing here. But the way
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: to close that gap on connection with the stars of
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: the team, with the starters is not to bet on
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 9: Oh you never. You never did that to feel like
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 9: you belonged. I. Oh, you're saying, James, I had I was.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: You're on the record here, By the way, I was
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: down to my last dollar every single month when I
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: was a walk on football player at the University of Utah. Now,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: shout out to the old lumpies. I can talk about them.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: They no longer exist. So the old lumpies on Highland
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: Drive and Sugar House. They let me be a bouncer first,
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: and then a bar back, and then a bartender and
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: then a manager. Like they helped me out a ton.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: But I was going to school, I was practicing, and
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: then well actually it was early morning, left, then school,
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: then practice, then going I think four or five shifts
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: a week on the door until two thirty three am,
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: and then you do it all over again, making like
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: ten bucks an hour.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: Plus some tips. Was that or not?
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 6: Was that not anough to live on? Back then?
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: It was it was enough to live on because I lived,
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: But it was not like I had disposable income that
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: I'm throwing down on the utes.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 9: Well that's why, That's why you would have because you're like,
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 9: I need to turn I need to turn this dollar
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 9: into another.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: I honestly wish I would have because I was so
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: drinking the kool aid back then I would have bet
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: on Utah to win every single game, and I would
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: have championship and I would have won in every single case. Yeah,
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: so foolish of me not to bet. You know what,
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: I'm actually starting to come around to Brendan sores beside
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: this argument, you know what, let him play, and you know,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: then then Alex Smith would have known me. I would
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: have been more connected by this logic, according to Brendan Soresby.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's uh, that's a doozy of an excuse.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: My younger brother Pete in my Wow, this is his
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: tragic My younger brother Pete in my box of Pokemon
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: cards and told everyone he did it while sleepwalking.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 6: Oh that's oh that's horrible.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: Especially you know why it's so horrible now is because
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: the algorithm feeds me all of these like Pokemon somebody
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: finding old Pokemon cards in a garage and just being like, oh,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: these are from when I was a kid. These are
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: like nineteen nineties originals. And then some collector comes into
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: just like this card is worth thirteen thousand dollars. Would
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: you like to sell it to me? Hopefully you didn't
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: have any of those bad boys in there.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 9: This is this is the actual urine collector, Like, that's
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 9: got to be worth something.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: By the way, all I asked for was excuses, and
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: so far I'm going to read another one here. We've
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: had three now that have come in with some kind
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: of bathroom theme and I never asked for that. I
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: just want to make it clear. Okay, this coming in
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: from Alex eighty four thirty one.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: Friend of mine. Friend of mine wore a tiger outfit
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: as a kid.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: It would constantly poop his pants because tigers don't use toilets.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: Oh no, can you imagine being that kid's mom or dad?
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: Mom and dad, why did you poop your pants again?
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: Because tigers don't use toilets. I'm a tiger. You know
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: what you do in that case? You shelve the tiger
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: outfit until the kid realizes he's not allowed to poop
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: his pants just because he's dressed as a tiger.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I got it. We don't know.
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 9: We don't know how long this particular friend of our
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 9: texter was wearing this tiger outfit and how many times
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 9: this happened, But it feels like it was too many
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 9: times for the parents not to get wise to like
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 9: burn the tiger outfit or something. The first time, you're
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 9: just like, ah, man, kids do that. Sometimes, kids poop
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 9: their pants.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: Sometimes.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: The second time you're probably like, ah, well that's wrong
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: with my kid.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 3: But all right, but third time, that's shame on you.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: Shame on me once, poop them once, Shame on you
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: poop them twice, Shame on me poop them three times.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 3: Shame on you for giving him the tiger oppit back?
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's crazy.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 6: Thank you for that text. That's the funniest thing I've.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: Heard in a long time, because also.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: Little kid logic is such a cool and fascinating thing.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: It's like, hey, why would you do that?
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: Because tigers, tigers don't wear don't use toilets.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 6: That's why.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: Oh you're right, they don't. You're not a tiger though,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: you're a boy or maybe it's a girl.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 6: Was that?
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 8: Was that?
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: Ned Orgren cajun accent you went into there.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: Le'm trying to be a little kid. What if it
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: was that Orgeron. We don't know if it was allegedly.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: This texture might be from the Louisiana.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: All right, keep texting in your best excuses slash worst excuses.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: Bred and Soresby said that he bet on Indiana games
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: so he would feel more connected to his teammates and
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: have a real stake in the game, feel like he
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: was part of something because if he was gonna lose,
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: he was gonna lose money.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 6: Ouch.
• 2:22:21
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  Speaker 6: Hello, Sean, Hi, it's great to see you. I haven't
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 6: seen you. I can't hear anything. Is that me? Probably? Hello? Hello? Hello,
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 6: I can't hear anything. Hello, Hi. There we go. We're good, Okay,
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 6: I haven't seen you in like two weeks? Is that true?
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 6: Well you were gone. Yeah. I did the show from
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 6: a road, a cave, a cave. Every day. I listened
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 6: to like, is somebody holding him at gunpoint forcing him
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 6: to do radio?
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  Speaker 2: It was I was actually in Oscar the Grouch's garbage can.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that was the sound quality. Good to have
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 6: you back, man, How are things good? All right? Good? Good?
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: We were making fun of the excuse offered by Brendan
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: Soresby why he bet on the games to feel more
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: connected with his team at Indiana. Yeah, and we got
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: some great excuses that came in. Here's another one. I
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 2: asked people for the worst excuses they ever offered when
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: they got caught for something. Here's another good one. When
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: I was around seven years old, my grandpa gave me
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: a pocket knife. I decided to win ale on my headboard,
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: and when my mom and dad had seen it, I
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: just told them I wanted to make sure my knife
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: was sharp enough to get a fish.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 6: Love it.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 3: That's a great excuse.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 6: That is a great excuse. I can't share mine on air. Okay,
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 6: I was gonna ask you, I really can't. I will
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 6: tell you when we get off air, and you'll understand
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 6: why I can't share it on it. All right. I
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 6: have a question for you though, all right. Randomly, because
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 6: as I was driving in when you went to break,
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 6: my routine is I'll get in the car listen to
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 6: you you go to break. I turned on music Spotify
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 6: playlist randomly through on three AM by Matchbox twenty a
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 6: notoriously horrible band and their leads well they are, and
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 6: their lead singer Rob Thomas said not a fank. Okay,
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 6: I understand that you are. And my question for you
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 6: is this, what is the dumbest reason you've either broken
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 6: up with someone or been broken up with? The reason
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 6: I bring up the question is a number of years ago,
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 6: I was kind of hanging out with this girl and
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 6: she invited me over to her house and I walked
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 6: in and they were like, twenty Rob Thomas posters everywhere. Yeah,
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 6: I'm not creative. I'm just a little of well please stop,
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 6: don't please don't like vinyl Matchbox twenty vinyl.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, dude, how dare you hate
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 3: on Matchbox twenty?
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 6: Like you like max Matchbox twenty. She's like, Rob Thomas
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 6: is a genius. I'm like, you know what, I think
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 6: we're good here, Like you're great, but like liking Matchbox
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 6: twenty and Rob Thomas is one thing having a shrine
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 6: and calling him a genius. Okay, I left and that
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 6: was it. Thenest reason you've ever ended a relationship, Oh.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: I probably have so many and probably even better ones
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: is why someone's broken up with me? Because why would
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: you ever break up with me? They're all dumb reasons.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: I'm perfect. I was broken up with over Saturday naps once. Okay,
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: she's like, you nap on Saturday in my cashes that
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: come out? Okay, cool, that is that's a good reason. Yeah, fair, Okay.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: It wasn't exactly a breakup because we weren't like in
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: a real relationship. But do you know these people who
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 2: always want to be doing like the caress, the touch,
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: like the soft tickle.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 6: Yes, you know those people.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 6: Over the top like need to touch you at all times,
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 6: needy people. Yeah, it's annoying, just.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 3: Like one of those.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I I stopped. I cut short what would
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: otherwise have been a totally appealing dating experience with a
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 2: girl because she had a compulsion. She could not stop
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: with the light touch, like don't touch my hair, stop it.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: Don't try to tickle the back of my neck while
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: I'm driving, stop it. When we're sitting there in a
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: movie theater, don't caress my arm, stop it. I don't
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 2: want you to touch me lightly right now. And that's
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: always true. I don't like being touched softly. I hate it.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 12: So you have a fear of intimacy, You have a
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 12: fear of good music. Apparently there's nothing good about it,
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 12: Like I said, teach your own but genius.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 6: Don't Rob Thomas is a genius. I would Rob Thomas.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 2: Matchbox twenty on continuous loop twenty four hours a day
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: would be vastly preferable to someone constantly trying to caress
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 2: the arm hairs.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's probably fair. I think that's probably getting.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: Angry thinking about it again, because it's one thing if
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 2: it's like maybe they were in a relationship with someone
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: who liked that and was just like, this is a
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: love language. I'm gonna I'm gonna do the physical touch thing.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 3: I'm always going to let you know here I am.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: But I told you like instantaneously, Oh, I really don't
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: like that. I don't like the soft touch thing. It
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: gives me the heb gbs don't do it and the
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: inability to control it.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 6: You're gone? Are you gone? Are you a cuddler? No,
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 6: not at all.
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 3: I mean with my kids and my dog, I'm a cuddler.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 6: Seems to be a very key person left out of
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 6: that question.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean, like in a in a romantic
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: relationship now.
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 6: Like not even a little bit, not so much. See
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 6: to me, there has to be a line. I'm fine, cuddling,
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 6: but at some point it's time to go to bed.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you know, so cuddling in moderation. I can
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 6: cuddle in moderation, but it feels like we're uncovering a
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 6: theme here. No light touching, no cuddling. I mean, I
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 6: want to get into this with you. I don't want
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 6: to get into it with any Look at this work
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 6: on yourself, Sean.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 3: I'll do my best. But if what I have to
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 3: do is allow people to touch.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 6: Me all the time.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 7: No.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 6: Oh. By the way, Zach and Levi from Jordan High School,
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 6: I played golf with them over the weekend. Yeah, I
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 6: learned that the beat Diggers. If you play football, it's
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 6: the grave Diggers. Okay. I was like, you know, my guy, Sean,
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 6: and they're like, yeah, obviously you know. So I wanted
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 6: to give them a shout out on air. Great dude,
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 6: Levi's hell of a golfer, is he? Zack's a vibe guy.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 6: He's not a golfer. Levi's a really good player. You
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 6: know who I'm talking about? Right?
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 3: I think I know they're older than me?
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 7: No?
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 6: You how old are you?
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 3: Forty two?
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 7: No?
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 6: You're older than them.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, because there's there's a couple. There's a couple of
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 3: candidates here.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: I thought you would be having get with the older ones,
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: but well that's rude.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 3: You got to put into like a four something.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 6: We played in a tournament, okay, and all I can
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 6: say is I didn't finish last, finished close to last,
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 6: oh but not last. Good tournament. Golf is hard, dude.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 6: You know I'm not telling I'm not telling you anything.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 3: First, can you confirm what Jeff on the text line?
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 9: Second, it said some guy named Spencer check it's just
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 9: put up a huge number on the UGA qualifying event.
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 6: Is that your guy? I had to card a ten
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 6: and a nine on back to back par fours. Uh.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 6: I know you're probably not wanting to do a bunch
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 6: of radio on the rules of golf. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 6: don't really know the rules of golf. I played in
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  Speaker 6: this tournament alongside my buddy who's much better than I am,
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  Speaker 6: and he's just a coward. So I decided decided to
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  Speaker 6: sign up and try it. If you hit your ball
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  Speaker 6: out of bounds in a certain area off the tee, okay,
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  Speaker 6: so you're hitting a drive, hit the ball out of
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  Speaker 6: bounds if it's a red steak, you can drop. If
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  Speaker 6: it's not, you have to drive back and rehit your
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  Speaker 6: your drive. On one hole, I had to do that
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  Speaker 6: four times.
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  Speaker 2: Are you telling me there are people who drive the
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  Speaker 2: ball off the tee and it doesn't go out of bounce.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes you can make that happen. Very good golfers can
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  Speaker 6: do that, not me. So on step up, hit a
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  Speaker 6: drive that I think is in play, We drive up.
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  Speaker 6: It's not right, dude, you got to go drive back
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  Speaker 6: and hit I'm like, what do that? A second time?
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  Speaker 6: Out of bounds? Think it's good? Drive up? Not there?
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  Speaker 6: Do it a third time? Look it out of bounds.
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  Speaker 6: And at this point I'm on the tea box with
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  Speaker 6: three groups waiting behind me, hitting my fourth drive. So
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  Speaker 6: essentially my what is that my seventh shot on the
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  Speaker 6: hole finally put in play? Tournament golf is a much
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  Speaker 6: different deal than hanging out Bonnie Saturday just with your boys.
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  Speaker 6: So I didn't finish last, That's all I can really say.
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  Speaker 6: But it was it was a rough round for your guy,
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  Speaker 6: I tell you that much.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I am proud of you for going out there
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  Speaker 2: and the friends you made along the way.
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  Speaker 6: That's what it's all about. And honestly, after I carted
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 6: a ten and a nine on back to back par fours,
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to quit and I didn't. What are you doing?
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 6: You're playing Matchbox twenty on your laptop.
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  Speaker 13: I just want to give you just a nice farewell
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  Speaker 13: to the shadow car. Okay, look, she was a nice girl.
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  Speaker 13: I could have been better about it. But again, some
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  Speaker 13: Matchbox twenty is fine.
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  Speaker 6: Copious amounts of Matchbox twenty is unnecessary, and referring to
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  Speaker 6: Rob Thomas is a genius, nice little guitar rift. It's fine.
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  Speaker 6: Like I said, some Matchbox twenty is fine. Rob Thomas
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  Speaker 6: is not a genius.
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  Speaker 3: Are approaching your livert yet?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you've already You've already made it ultimately twenty Matchbox
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  Speaker 6: twenty post posters see in your house? Is it just
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  Speaker 6: a little weird? I probably should have been better. I
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  Speaker 6: was young. I'm older now, so you know, maybe I'll
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  Speaker 6: meet someone who loves Matchbox twenty and we'll live happily
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  Speaker 6: ever after. Who knows.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't sound like a possibility.
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  Speaker 6: Now, I'm with you.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the Drive with Spence check Its. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for listening to the Shot o'connall show. We'll do it
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  Speaker 2: again tomorrow on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one
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  Speaker 2: fl