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Mini: Airplane Boarding · Why We Do What We Do

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Speaker 1: the end of this very brief miniature discussion. How about airplanes.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'd like to introduce this one. If you're
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Speaker 3: okay with that, yeah, please, Really, we're not talking about
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Speaker 3: airplanes themselves. We are talking about airplane seating, a headache
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Speaker 3: that ever I think has experienced if you've ever been
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Speaker 3: on a plane. And so, as I was writing this,
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Speaker 3: I was sitting at an airport where at the time
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Speaker 3: i'd been there for it felt like seven years. And
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Speaker 3: as everyone boards, zones are called like so you'll see
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Speaker 3: like zones or groups are called at the same time
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Speaker 3: and all the zones that were called while I was
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Speaker 3: watching this, and it was really kind of like interesting
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Speaker 3: because this obnoxious group of what I can only assume
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Speaker 3: is a mission group, Like they're like missionaries going somewhere.
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Speaker 3: They're headed to Milwaukee, and they were struggling to board.
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Speaker 3: They were all kind of like bottlenecked at the desk,
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Speaker 3: and they were just yelling and calling out names and
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Speaker 3: getting them on the plane, and it was annoying fun. So,
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Speaker 3: typically what we see in this space when you're sitting
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Speaker 3: in an airport watching this happen, is they call first
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Speaker 3: class or business class. Sometimes they'll call for babies, or
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Speaker 3: they'll call for military, active military and all that, but
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Speaker 3: most of the time it's business class first or some
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Speaker 3: special group business and then after that it seems like
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Speaker 3: everybody's asigned to a random zone. But I was kind
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Speaker 3: of like, why are we doing this? Because, like you,
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Speaker 3: I have been annoyed with how seating works on planes,
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Speaker 3: and so I wanted a deep dive or shallow dive
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Speaker 3: really into why we seat the way we seat.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and a great point that airplanes are not behavior,
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Speaker 1: but the things we do around airplanes are behavior.
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Speaker 2: Because of the things that we want to behave.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of behaviors, and one of those that's kind
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Speaker 1: of interesting is organizing people to follow sort of a
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Speaker 1: like how do you organize a group of people to
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Speaker 1: execute on a singular task without any explicit training? And
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Speaker 1: this is not dissimilar from I think ways that people
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Speaker 1: have tried to organize. And I know that people are
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Speaker 1: going to love this analogy. But like livestock, there have
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Speaker 1: been many efforts and designs around infrastructure to move livestock
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Speaker 1: from one place to another and again without explicit training,
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Speaker 1: and so there's some overlap there and it's kind of
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Speaker 1: interesting to think about how do we get these behaviors
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Speaker 1: to occur and why. So to help understand our topics,
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Speaker 1: we like to look get history because history tells us
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Speaker 1: a whole lot about how we got here. And so
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Speaker 1: we'll start with well, actually we'll start with an overview
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Speaker 1: of just like the lay of the land here. So,
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Speaker 1: according to the FAA, approximately four point five billion with
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Speaker 1: a B people traveled by plane in twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 1: with estimates for twenty twenty four closer to five billion people.
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Speaker 1: And that point five billion is a big difference. I
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Speaker 1: think that's a thing that people get confused about when
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Speaker 1: you get to very large numbers. Is like, if it
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Speaker 1: was the difference between you having zero dollars and point
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Speaker 1: five billion dollars, I think you'd be okay with like
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Speaker 1: that point five billion. Yeah, that's more money than you
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Speaker 1: were probably going to make throughout your entire lifetime and
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Speaker 1: all of your grandchildren's lifetimes put together. So that's a lot.
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Speaker 1: Point five billion is a lot. Yeah, So anyway, there
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Speaker 1: are some overlap there. There are people who are going
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Speaker 1: to have connecting flights and multiple flights and that sort
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Speaker 1: of thing where it wasn't necessary really five billion people,
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Speaker 1: but five billion flights that people took, if that makes sense.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like five billion reservations is probably a good way
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Speaker 3: to look. Okay, Yeah, like bborger to have multiple reservations.
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Speaker 3: As a general rule, the boarding process takes anywhere between
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Speaker 3: thirty and sixty minutes total. Sometimes it's like really quick
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Speaker 3: and efficient, sometimes not so much, and that has to
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Speaker 3: do with a lot of different things. Planes vary in size,
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Speaker 3: but what we find is they're usually full, meaning that
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Speaker 3: every seat has a butt at least right, So for
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Speaker 3: the most part, the planes are full. Very rarely are
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Speaker 3: you going to get like a pretty empty flight, and
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Speaker 3: when you are on those empty flights is a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Eerie, yes, although desirable.
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Speaker 2: Desirable, I would eerie, but preferred.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then of course there's like different values inside of
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Speaker 1: that in terms of like how efficient that is from
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Speaker 1: an environmental perspective. Having very few people on a plane
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Speaker 1: is not very efficient in terms of the fuel that
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Speaker 1: is spense to then take off and land that plane
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Speaker 1: and keep it in the air and all of that.
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Speaker 2: And at the same time.
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Speaker 1: The plane is lighter, which means it would be burning
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Speaker 1: less fuel than it would be if it had more people,
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Speaker 1: although it would still be more efficient anyway. All that
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Speaker 1: is to say, it's really nice when you have a
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Speaker 1: plane with very few people want it. Yes, it is
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Speaker 1: because these planes are designed to pack as many bodies
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Speaker 1: in them as they possibly can, because the more bodies
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Speaker 1: are on that plane, the more money that a company
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Speaker 1: makes for doing that. So but that's actually not what
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Speaker 1: we're really talking about here. What we're trying to get
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Speaker 1: to is the seating thing for flights. The seating is
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Speaker 1: very important because nobody's standing on these planes. They're all
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Speaker 1: they're all in sitting position. Not yet, that's right there,
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Speaker 1: could be standing at some point in the not too
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Speaker 1: distant future. And there are there different ways to do seating.
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Speaker 1: One is assigned seating, and that's what it sounds like.
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Speaker 1: This is you have a seat that is designated as
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Speaker 1: your seat, which means when you get on that plane,
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Speaker 1: there is one seat that is supposed to have you
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Speaker 1: in it, and you are not supposed to be in
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Speaker 1: any seat but that seat, and no one else should
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Speaker 1: be in that seat either.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: And there's a couple of reasons for this, right, or
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Speaker 3: at least three that we could pin down. One is
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Speaker 3: that a sign seating helps maintain aircraft center of gravity
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Speaker 3: if there are too many passengers on one side versus
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Speaker 3: the other side, and can create some problems due to
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Speaker 3: weight distribution.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Another one is that in the event of an accident,
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Speaker 3: bodies can be easily more easily identified based on seating assignment.
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Speaker 3: So like, if there is a charred body in a seat,
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Speaker 3: then we can go, oh, this was you know, mister Jennings,
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Speaker 3: And we know that because this charred body is in
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Speaker 3: mister Jennings seat.
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Speaker 2: And the other side too, is.
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Speaker 3: That someone paid for their seat for certain benefits like
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Speaker 3: business class or comfort. Plus if you will, right, they
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Speaker 3: paid for that for a certain reason, Like I like
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Speaker 3: exit rows because I get more leg room and I
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Speaker 3: don't have to.
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Speaker 2: Pay the extra freeze, which is really cool. Fair.
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Speaker 3: So there's reasons why people had this assigned seating for
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Speaker 3: and those are really the main ones that we notice.
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Speaker 1: And before we tick off, this one is going to
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Speaker 1: be interrupted by ads. All right, strap in because we're
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Speaker 1: back and we are going to continue with this discovers
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Speaker 1: about seating. It isn't actually about where we sit because
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Speaker 1: again less about human behavior. It's more about how we
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Speaker 1: got there, more about human behavior, if you will, yes,
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Speaker 1: And there are multiple methods by which we are seated.
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Speaker 3: Yes, So in this section we call this take your seats,
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Speaker 3: here's how we get there. So generally there's no standard
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Speaker 3: for seating. So like if you're ever wondering how planes
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Speaker 3: do this, there is no standard, Like there's no process
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Speaker 3: by which every airline follows the standard seating procedure. Every
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Speaker 3: airline chooses to organize their seating certain ways. Usually the
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Speaker 3: way they start seating is business class, followed by military
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Speaker 3: and children or folks that need assistance, you know, something
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Speaker 3: along those lines. But some airlines will wait till later
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Speaker 3: zones or groupings to be able to seat those folks,
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Speaker 3: so they'll do business class. Then, like you know, the
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Speaker 3: fourth group will be the folks that need additional help
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Speaker 3: with children or anything like that. So some like depending
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Speaker 3: on the airline, you're gonna see some variation in like
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Speaker 3: the standard for what they do.
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Speaker 1: So for when you say standard for seating, what you're
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Speaker 1: what you're referencing is standard for the order in which
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Speaker 1: we board the plane and go to our seats. Yes, exactly, Okay, okay, cool.
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Speaker 1: So let's consider the different ways that you might seat
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Speaker 1: people getting onto this plane. What the order that you
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Speaker 1: could try and get people boarded. Everyone has their own
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Speaker 1: ideas about what's best, and there are some thoughts around this.
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Speaker 1: You could do, for example, back to front, and we're
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Speaker 1: not talking about a dance move, Nope, we're talking about
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Speaker 1: how you might get on this plane and trying or
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Speaker 1: trying to get people on the plane. This might actually
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Speaker 1: be the worst way to do this. There's still the
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Speaker 1: issue of luggage blocked aisles.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is.
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Speaker 1: Actually interesting because I would have actually thought that this
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Speaker 1: would be the most efficient way to do this is
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Speaker 1: to get people to the back of the plane and
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Speaker 1: then load them up from there to the beginning.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think so too, And they actually did
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Speaker 3: this a lot during COVID when people had to fly
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Speaker 3: to prevent people from like passing one another. Yeah, so
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Speaker 3: like that was helpful for some of that. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: from back to front seems like it would be the
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Speaker 3: most efficient, and you might have thought that yourself, but
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Speaker 3: it's actually and we'll talk about why it's a problem
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Speaker 3: because you're still you're still doing rowbi row from the
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Speaker 3: back to the front, and it's really the row by
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Speaker 3: row that's the issue.
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Speaker 1: Got it.
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Speaker 2: Now, if you do.
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Speaker 3: Front to back, it's a similar issue as back to
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Speaker 3: front because you're boarding both sides of the plane at
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Speaker 3: the same time, where anywhere between four to six people
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Speaker 3: are being seated with their luggage at the same time.
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Speaker 3: So every row has six people they all have to
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Speaker 3: put their luggage up, so there's always going to be
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Speaker 3: that delay if they're bringing stuff in or whatever their
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Speaker 3: bags are, they're having to put in, like arrange stuff
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Speaker 3: row by row, moving from front to back just like
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Speaker 3: the same, just like they would from back to front.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, see that's that's sort of what I was thinking,
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Speaker 1: is like if you get on and you're waiting for
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Speaker 1: the person to put their bags up and sit down,
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Speaker 1: as opposed to just booking it right to the back.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, I see what you're saying. Yeah, in there
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Speaker 1: you mentioned like the sides of the plane, and so
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Speaker 1: that sort of gets us to rather than sides meeting
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Speaker 1: maybe front to back, which some people may might think
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Speaker 1: of that as sides, you can think of it as
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Speaker 1: window versus aisle. And again, would you run into a
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Speaker 1: similar issue where each seat in a row is being
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Speaker 1: boarded at the same time. So United Airlines tested this
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Speaker 1: and called it WILMA, which is windows, middle and aisle.
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Speaker 1: So that's fun, I guess.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's how they boarded it, and they found
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Speaker 3: the same kind of issue is like as your boarding rows,
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Speaker 3: people will delay because they have to arrange their luggage,
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Speaker 3: they have to range their baggage, they have to get
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Speaker 3: and they have to get seated. And also if they
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Speaker 3: don't sit in the right order, like which we see
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Speaker 3: in some of the other ones, like somebody has to
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Speaker 3: get up out of the middle seat so that the
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Speaker 3: window seat can sit in.
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Speaker 2: Like it's a whole thing. So got it.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, because people like to study everything. This led to
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Speaker 3: the question of what's the most efficient way to board
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Speaker 3: a plane? And strictly from a boarding standpoint, right, like,
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Speaker 3: we're looking at how do we efficiently get people on
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Speaker 3: in the fastest amount of time. The most efficient way
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Speaker 3: is a variation of the back to front method called
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Speaker 3: Stephan's method, named for Jason Stefan, and Jason Steffan is
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Speaker 3: an astrophysicist at the University of Nevada. So like, it
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Speaker 3: took an astrophysicist to like review this, which I think
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Speaker 3: is really interesting.
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Speaker 1: That is interesting. Yeah, all right, So here's here's the
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Speaker 1: Stephan method that we're maybe advocating should be the way
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Speaker 1: to do this if we're at all concerned about efficiency
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Speaker 1: and time and not wasting our lives staring at the
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Speaker 1: walls while we could be doing something else. Sure, all right,
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Speaker 1: So first it is board the seats that will be
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Speaker 1: at the window first, but skip rows. So you want
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Speaker 1: to do evens first and then odds right.
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Speaker 3: And then next you're going to board the middle seats
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Speaker 3: the same way, so you're gonna be skipping rows as
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Speaker 3: you go. So like basically there's no there's not going
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Speaker 3: to be like a bottleneck for those seats like it
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Speaker 3: because you have the different roads that are being borded
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Speaker 3: instead of all the same roads at the same time.
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Speaker 3: So windows, So you window seats first skipping rows, the
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Speaker 3: middle seats skipping rows, and then finally aisles skipping rows.
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Speaker 2: Got it.
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Speaker 1: So when you do skipping rows, do you do like
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Speaker 1: as you were saying here, you do all your window
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Speaker 1: seats that are even, Then then you go back through
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Speaker 1: to all your window seats that are odd, Yes, and
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Speaker 1: then you okay and got you, then your middle and
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Speaker 1: then finally your your aisle seats are the ones that
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Speaker 1: are closest to the aisle. Well, all right, why don't
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Speaker 1: we already do this? Well, one answer that might have
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Speaker 1: already appeared to you as we were describing it is
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Speaker 1: just that there's kind of a lot of organization involved
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Speaker 1: in this. You got a lot of planning timeliness on
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Speaker 1: the part of the passengers. If you have people who
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Speaker 1: aren't there when they're supposed to be there, either because
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Speaker 1: they're running late or maybe their flight is running late,
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Speaker 1: can certainly happen for whatever reason. And then just like
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Speaker 1: ensuring that everybody's paying attention, which is nearly impossible to do.
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Speaker 1: People who maybe are inebriated or on other substances, or
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Speaker 1: people who are maybe need additional supports because of accessibility.
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Speaker 1: Accessibility issues such as if they're hearing impaired or visually
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Speaker 1: impaired or both, or they have other cognitive impairments like
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Speaker 1: that might make this difficult to support with that. So
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Speaker 1: I do see they're very logistical things to consider. But
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Speaker 1: if a few folks get out of sync in the
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Speaker 1: system further, it can sort of throw off the entire
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Speaker 1: algorithm and then nobody gets seated. So it seems like
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Speaker 1: a really good system that is delicate. Yes, it could
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Speaker 1: be broken relatively easily.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: And actually, like my favorite quote from the article talking
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Speaker 3: about this is they said, quote, people don't behave in
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Speaker 3: mathematically ideal ways. True, So like what we're talking about is,
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Speaker 3: you know, a mathematical model that requires people to behave
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Speaker 3: in precise ways, and we just don't do that.
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Speaker 2: There are too many variables that.
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Speaker 3: That would contribute to that, right, Yeah, which I thought
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Speaker 3: was like the best quote. I was like, that's so,
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Speaker 3: that's so good. That also feels like a very engineer quote.
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Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know so and actually, you know, we've
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Speaker 1: talked a little bit about mathematical models on here, and
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Speaker 1: I have a very similar sort of skepticism toward the
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Speaker 1: practical utility of those models and the like philosophical derelictness
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Speaker 1: of those models.
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Speaker 2: Sure with the same exact thing.
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Speaker 1: My sort of orientation is like, people do not behave
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Speaker 1: in mathematically ideal ways, much as we would like them too, as.
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Speaker 3: Much as we would love that, it just doesn't happen.
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Speaker 1: I have some thoughts on this, but a mini's probably
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Speaker 1: not a place to share that, so let's instead move on.
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Speaker 1: Move on to a modification to the Stephan method that
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Speaker 1: might help allow that to be a slightly more robust
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Speaker 1: system and more or less accomplish the same goal. Could
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Speaker 1: be potentially to do it in small groups or clicks
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Speaker 1: or queues that are sort of randomly generated, but they
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Speaker 1: follow the guidelines that we mentioned above, so the smaller
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Speaker 1: groups would move through the jetway.
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Speaker 2: And this is.
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Speaker 1: Reported that this is about five percent less efficient than
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Speaker 1: the Stephan model. But if the Stephen model is I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure how efficient. Let's just say it's twenty five
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Speaker 1: percent more efficient than normal boarding procedures than if we
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Speaker 1: were to just lose five percent of off of that
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Speaker 1: or something or five percent of that, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: Then we're still gaining efficiency, which feels nice.
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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. I mean like it's it's just going to
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Speaker 3: be a matter of like practical utility. So if we
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Speaker 3: do the Stephan model where you're still doing like windows skipping,
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Speaker 3: you know, skipping the aisles or skipping the rows windows
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Speaker 3: first out of ut DA so on, So like we
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Speaker 3: talked about, but like you do that in smaller groups,
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Speaker 3: it's more likely to be more likely to work more
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Speaker 3: efficiently with.
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Speaker 1: Only the cool kids boarding first and whatnot. Yeah, did
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Speaker 1: you happen to look at the boarding procedures for open
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Speaker 1: seating airlines, like ones where there's not assigned seating?
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Speaker 3: They said that that was actually more chaotic because like
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Speaker 3: you find that like people rush to get onto the
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Speaker 3: plane to get into their preferred seats, and then when
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Speaker 3: they don't get to their preferred seats or it's scattered,
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Speaker 3: then people are like looking and finding seats and.
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Speaker 2: Stuff like that too.
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Speaker 3: So like they talk about that with Southwest, and I
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Speaker 3: think there's another another one that does something like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've flewn a lot of Southwest in my life,
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Speaker 1: and I'm very used to that sort of boarding procedure
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Speaker 1: where it's you'd just pick where you want to go.
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Speaker 1: And I weirdly, maybe weirdly, tend to prefer the back
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Speaker 1: of the plane. Yeah, And the reason for me is, like, well,
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Speaker 1: there's two. Primarily, one is that if the flight is
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Speaker 1: in any way not full, that's where the empty seats
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Speaker 1: are probably going to be, which means I get a
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Speaker 1: little more.
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Speaker 2: To myself, right.
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Speaker 1: And in the event of a plane crash, which is
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Speaker 1: exceedingly unlikely, slightly more so if you're on a Boeing airplane,
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Speaker 1: but generally exceedingly unlikely, then that is the there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of serious levels of unlikeliness here. If you were
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Speaker 1: to get into a crash, which is unlikely, and if
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Speaker 1: you were to survive that crash, which is extremely unlikely,
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Speaker 1: the place where you would be the survivor is almost
17:26
Speaker 1: certainly the back of the plane.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So those are my reasons.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. Those are good reasons.
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Speaker 1: Do you prefer window or aisle?
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Speaker 3: I prefer window because I like to put my head
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Speaker 3: down and sleep.
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Speaker 1: Oh fair, Yeah, I also prefer window, so I like
17:38
Speaker 1: to look at the landscape.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there I need too, it's beautiful out there.
17:43
Speaker 1: I just like to see stuff. And then sometimes I
17:46
Speaker 1: can read by like natural light and not have to
17:48
Speaker 1: have the light on, yeah, which is nice.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, and I like, I, you know, it's one
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Speaker 3: of those things. I like to sit the window too,
17:54
Speaker 3: because I do like to look out the window and
17:55
Speaker 3: I like to see what's going on. And I just
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Speaker 3: I'm always in awe. Yeah, Like I feel like people
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Speaker 3: take that for granted, like you're in a plane and
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Speaker 3: like you're doing this really cool thing that like wasn't
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Speaker 3: being done really this well, you know, one hundred years ago.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so now.
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Speaker 3: We're like we get to see. Like it's just I
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Speaker 3: feel like people lose that sense of awe. They're like, oh,
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Speaker 3: it's fine, it's just we're just flying over the ocean,
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Speaker 3: no big deal.
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Speaker 2: It's like, that's cool, it's cool. What are we talking
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Speaker 2: about here?
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Speaker 1: It's very cool. It does feel like we have maybe
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Speaker 1: exceeded the general intentions of a mini though, so I
18:27
Speaker 1: think we should wrap it up there. As I was
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Speaker 1: saying at the beginning, it comes support us. We could
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Speaker 1: But I think that we need to wrap this one up.
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Speaker 1: So is there anything that I forgot or that you
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Speaker 1: would like to add before we say? Oh goodbye to Shane.
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Speaker 2: Nothing on my end?
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Speaker 1: All right, then, thank you for listening. This is Abraham
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Speaker 1: and this is Shane. Why we Do what we Do
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Speaker 1: Mini is out.
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