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- Lucas: You know that moment when you walk into a department store and that first burst of perfume hits you? The stuff in those bottles is about 90 percent denatured alcohol, typically sourced from fossil fuels or fermented grain. But there's a factory in Grasse, France, that is now making that alcohol from recycled industrial CO2. Luna: Wait — carbon capture for perfume? I thought that technology was still stuck at the 'bury it underground' stage. Lucas: Most carbon capture projects are exactly that — capture and storage. But this is capture and utilization. A start-up called Dioxycle built a pilot plant right next to a cement factory in the south of France. They pipe in the CO2 emissions from the cement kiln, feed it to engineered bacteria that ferment it into ethanol, and then distill that ethanol into fragrance-grade alcohol. Luna: So the bacteria are basically doing the same thing as yeast in a whiskey distillery, but instead of sugar, they're eating carbon dioxide. Lucas: Exactly right. The specific bacterium is a strain of Clostridium autoethanogenum — it's the same one LanzaTech uses for their ethanol from steel mill gas process. But Dioxycle optimized it for higher purity. The output is 99.9 percent ethanol, and they run it through a molecular sieve to strip out any trace compounds that could affect the scent profile. Luna: And what does a luxury perfume house like, say, Chanel make of this? I can't imagine they'd risk their signature scent on something that smells off. Lucas: That's the fascinating part. Chanel actually signed a three-year offtake agreement in early 2025. They committed to buying 2.5 million liters of Dioxycle's recycled alcohol per year starting in 2027. And they did blind sniff tests — master perfumers at Chanel's laboratory in Pantin couldn't tell the difference between Dioxycle's alcohol and the conventional grain-derived alcohol. Luna: So the fragrance industry, which is all about purity and consistency, is essentially validating this as a drop-in replacement. That's a bigger deal than most people realize. Lucas: It is. Because the current supply chain for perfumers' alcohol is surprisingly fragile. The traditional source is beetroot or grain ethanol from France's Champagne region, but those crops are increasingly vulnerable to drought and disease. And fossil-based ethanol, which some cheaper brands use, carries a carbon footprint that luxury houses are trying to distance themselves from. Luna: What's the carbon math look like? One liter of this stuff vs. conventional? I'm guessing it's not one-to-one because you need energy to run the fermentation and distillation. Lucas: Dioxycle claims their process is carbon-negative on a lifecycle basis. The cement factory's CO2 would have been released anyway — capturing it and turning it into alcohol means the carbon is locked into the product for at least the lifetime of the perfume. The energy for the facility comes from on-site solar panels and a small biogas unit, so the operational emissions are low. They peg the net impact at roughly minus 1.2 kilograms of CO2 per liter produced. Luna: But at what cost? I've read that these boutique carbon utilization projects are often extremely expensive — like hundreds of euros per liter. Lucas: You're right to ask. The current production cost at Dioxycle's pilot plant is around 1200 euros per liter. Compare that to conventional perfume alcohol, which runs about 2 to 4 euros per liter on the commodity market. So we're talking a 300X premium. Chanel is essentially paying a massive green premium to be first movers and to secure supply. Luna: That's a huge gap. How do they ever get that down? Economies of scale alone won't close a 300X difference. Lucas: The company's roadmap calls for a commercial-scale facility by 2029 that can produce at 150 euros per liter. They're betting on three things: first, larger bioreactors reduce unit costs. Second, they're developing a continuous fermentation process instead of batch — that could double throughput. And third, they plan to sell the protein byproduct from the bacteria as animal feed, which creates a second revenue stream. Luna: So the animal feed angle is like ethanol plants that sell distillers grains. That helps, but 150 is still 30 to 40 times the price of conventional. Is there any pathway to commodity pricing? Lucas: Not for perfume-grade alcohol. But they don't need to reach commodity pricing for this to be a viable business. The global fragrance market is about 60 billion euros annually, and the high-end segment — where customers pay 150 euros or more per bottle — is growing at 8 percent per year. For that tier, a 20 percent increase in raw material cost is absorbable if it comes with a sustainability story. Luna: Right, because the bottle itself often costs more than the liquid inside. I remember reading that the packaging for a 50-euro designer perfume can account for 40 percent of the retail price. Lucas: Exactly. And Chanel's not the only one. L'Oréal and LVMH have both invested in similar carbon capture startups through their venture arms. L'Oréal has a partnership with a company called LanzaTech for packaging — using captured carbon to make polyethylene bottles. So there's a broader push across the luxury beauty sector. Luna: But let's zoom out — this is still a tiny fraction of global CO2 emissions. The cement factory next door to Dioxycle emits about 800,000 tons of CO2 per year. Dioxycle's pilot captures maybe 500 tons annually. That's 0.06 percent. Lucas: Scale is the Achilles' heel of every carbon utilization story. But the argument isn't that these plants will solve climate change. It's that they can decarbonize specific high-value supply chains while the technology matures. Think about it this way: the global production of perfume alcohol is about 50 million liters per year. If Dioxycle scaled to meet even 10 percent of that demand, they'd be capturing and utilizing roughly 100,000 tons of CO2 annually. That's not nothing. Luna: And it's also a proof of concept for other industries. If you can make perfume alcohol from CO2, you can make vodka, hand sanitizer, or even industrial solvents. The same technology could feed into cleaning products, paints, pharmaceuticals... Lucas: That's exactly what Dioxycle is planning. Their next target is industrial ethanol for cleaning products, which is a much larger market — about 15 billion liters globally. The margin is thinner, but the volume is enormous. And they've already secured a pilot partnership with a major chemical distributor for that segment. Luna: But the economics are still brutal. Even at 150 euros per liter, you're looking at something that can only compete in luxury niches. How do you get from 150 to, say, 10 euros per liter — which is roughly what bulk industrial ethanol costs? Lucas: That would require either a breakthrough in biological efficiency or a carbon tax that significantly raises the cost of fossil-based ethanol. Right now, the price of conventional ethanol is kept artificially low because the fossil fuel externality isn't priced in. If the EU's carbon border adjustment mechanism expands to include embedded emissions in chemicals, the spread narrows. But no one expects that to happen before 2035 at the earliest. Luna: So this is a market that exists only because luxury consumers and corporations are willing to pay for the story. Is that sustainable? Or does it collapse once the novelty fades? Lucas: If today was actually useful to you, the way these stay ad-free is listener support — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. That kind of backing lets us keep digging into niche manufacturing stories like this one. Luna: Absolutely. It's the only reason we can spend a whole episode on bacteria eating CO2 in Grasse. So if you get value from it, that's the way to keep it going. Lucas: Anyway, back to the sustainability question. I think the novelty is real, but the underlying driver is structural. Luxury brands are under pressure from two directions: regulators in Europe are tightening supply chain disclosure rules, and younger consumers — Gen Z and young millennials — actively seek out brands with verifiable sustainability claims. If Chanel can market a perfume as 'made from captured air,' that's a differentiator that justifies a premium. Luna: And they can verify it because the carbon atoms in the alcohol literally came from a cement plant's smokestack. That's a traceable chain. Lucas: Right. Dioxycle uses isotopic tagging — they add a tiny amount of a carbon-14 tracer to the CO2 stream so that the final product's origin can be authenticated by mass spectrometry. It's essentially a blockchain for carbon atoms, without the blockchain. Luna: That's clever. It also prevents greenwashing claims because you can actually prove where the carbon came from. Lucas: Exactly. And that authentication system is becoming a product in itself. Dioxycle is licensing the tagging technology to other carbon utilization startups. They see it as a potential revenue stream bigger than the ethanol business. Luna: What about the regulatory environment in France? Are there subsidies or incentives that make this plant viable? Lucas: Yes. The pilot plant received a 15 million euro grant from France's '2030' industrial decarbonization fund. That fund has 5.4 billion euros allocated for projects like this. Additionally, the French government offers a tax credit for companies that use recycled carbon in manufacturing — it's about 40 euros per ton of CO2 utilized. For a plant capturing 500 tons per year, that's 20,000 euros — not huge, but it helps at the pilot stage. Luna: So the state is essentially de-risking the early stage. Once the technology matures, it's expected to stand on its own economically. Lucas: That's the model. And it's working in other sectors — look at how solar and wind scaled after initial government support. The difference here is that the end product is a high-value specialty chemical, not a commodity like electricity. So the path to profitability is shorter. Luna: But there's a risk that the entire carbon utilization sector becomes a side show — a way for heavy emitters to claim they're doing something while continuing to pump out CO2. The cement factory next door is still emitting 799,500 tons of CO2 that isn't captured. Lucas: That's a fair critique. Carbon utilization is not a substitute for emissions reduction at source. But it can be a complement. If you think of the cement plant's emissions as a waste stream, Dioxycle is essentially turning a fraction of that waste into a product. The plant still needs to decarbonize its core process — through alternative fuels, electrification, or carbon capture and storage. The utilization project just adds an additional revenue stream that makes the overall decarbonization more economically viable. Luna: I wonder if we'll see a similar dynamic in other heavy industries — steel, chemicals, glass. Each one has a waste CO2 stream that could be fed to bacteria. Lucas: We already are. LanzaTech has commercial plants attached to steel mills in China and Belgium. A company called Carbon Clean is doing something similar for the glass industry. And there's a startup in Scotland turning CO2 from whisky distilleries into carbon-negative diamonds. The biological route is one of several, but the unit economics are improving faster than people realize. Luna: Speaking of whisky distilleries, I've heard that the Scotch whisky industry is actually interested in this technology because it solves a problem they have — they produce a lot of CO2 during fermentation, and they're under pressure to become net zero by 2040. Lucas: That's a great point. Several distilleries are piloting CO2-to-ethanol systems from Dioxycle and others. The irony is they'd be taking the CO2 from their own fermentation and turning it back into alcohol — a closed loop. The economics are actually better there because the CO2 is already pure, not mixed with cement kiln exhaust. So the purification step is cheaper. Luna: And the alcohol can go right back into the blending process or be sold as neutral spirit. That seems like a no-brainer, honestly. Lucas: Especially because the Scottish government offers grants for circular economy projects in the whisky sector. I think we'll see the first commercial-scale distillery carbon capture unit within three years. Luna: So where does this leave us? Is CO2-derived perfume a gimmick or a genuine signal of where manufacturing is heading? Lucas: I'd argue it's a genuine signal, but only for high-margin, low-volume products — at least for now. The technology isn't going to replace commodity ethanol anytime soon. But it's creating a blueprint: capture waste CO2, use biology to upgrade it into something valuable, and sell that into a supply chain that's willing to pay for sustainability. If that blueprint works for perfume, it can be adapted for other specialty chemicals. And each adaptation brings the cost down. Luna: So the real question is whether the cost curve bends fast enough to outpace the growth of luxury markets. If it does, we might look back at this little plant in Grasse as the beginning of something much bigger. Lucas: Exactly. And that's why we're covering it now — because in five years, the cost might be half what it is today, and the conversation will have moved on to 'when does this hit commodity scale?' For now, it's a fascinating glimpse of a possible future for industrial biotechnology.