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- 0:03Amanda Wilde (Host): Meaningful Medicine is a Novant Health podcast, bringing
- 0:07you access to leading doctors who answer questions they wish you would ask.
- 0:12From routine care to rare conditions, our physicians offer tips to navigate medical
- 0:17decisions and build a healthier future.
- 0:20Join Meghan Huffman, Vice President of Digital Health and
- 0:23Virtual Care Network, and Dr.
- 0:25Roshni Patel, Chief Strategy Officer at Primary Care from Novant Health,
- 0:30as we talk about virtual primary care.
- 0:33I'm your host, Amanda Wilde.
- 0:35And Meghan, Dr.
- 0:36Patel, thank you so much for being here today.
- 0:39Meghan Huffman: We're so happy to be here.
- 0:40Absolutely excited to talk about this.
- 0:41Very important.
- 0:43Host: Novant Health is launching a 24/7 virtual primary care.
- 0:48Meghan, what problems were you aiming to solve or what needs were you looking
- 0:52to address with this new service?
- 0:54Meghan Huffman: Thanks, Amanda.
- 0:55I think it's so important that we always start at Novant Health with the
- 0:57problem that we're trying to solve.
- 0:59And if we look at what's happening right now, especially in North Carolina, 33%
- 1:03of our residents live in a rural area.
- 1:06And out of 1,700 people that we have in the state, there's
- 1:10only one primary care physician.
- 1:12And that's a big problem when we think about access and getting
- 1:15patients care to that access.
- 1:17And so, we said, "Okay, how are we going to do that?
- 1:20How do we get access to these rural areas?"
- 1:23We know, I use this analogy a lot, but I don't have a primary care physician
- 1:27tree in my backyard that I can go shake and physicians are falling off.
- 1:31If I did, I would use it, and I would put all these primary care physicians in
- 1:35person everywhere we could possibly do it.
- 1:37But that is not the situation that we have.
- 1:40Less physicians are going to medical school, less physicians are choosing
- 1:43to be primary care physicians, and the reality right now is we have to figure
- 1:47out how do we take the physicians we do have and expand that access all
- 1:52across our states in North and South Carolina to get patients the ability
- 1:56to talk to a primary care physician.
- 1:58And that's really the problem that we're trying to solve, and the goal that we
- 2:01have by launching virtual primary care.
- 2:04Roshni Patel, MD: The other side of that is also patients, right?
- 2:07So, how do patients want to access us?
- 2:10There are lots of different types of patients who want to
- 2:13access the healthcare system.
- 2:14And depending on what their constraints are, we are trying to help build options
- 2:19to help meet patients where they are.
- 2:21We definitely have a workforce shortage that is there.
- 2:25So, we definitely need to increase the amount of avenues for that access
- 2:29to be simpler, easier, and we really want it to be as patient-friendly,
- 2:34at the same time, clinically responsible, that we can build it.
- 2:38Host: Well, Dr.
- 2:38Patel, with that in mind, can you describe what virtual primary care
- 2:42is and how it's different from the telehealth visits that we're used to?
- 2:47Roshni Patel, MD: So, virtual primary care is a telehealth service, but
- 2:51it's a little bit different than what we call episodic care or maybe
- 2:54just acute care type of telehealth.
- 2:57In virtual primary care, we're really trying to build a longitudinal care
- 3:01service where patients are accessing us as a primary care clinician in order
- 3:07to provide that kind of longer-term service where you can reliably know that
- 3:13you can come and access us virtually.
- 3:15And we want to be able to make that a simple digital front door experience
- 3:20where you can have virtual primary care even past the traditional hours
- 3:26of our typical 8:00 to 5:00 clinics.
- 3:29Host: Now, Meghan touched on access as being a real motivator
- 3:33for virtual primary care.
- 3:35Dr.
- 3:36Patel, who is virtual primary care best suited for?
- 3:40I mean, who do you think will get the most out of this service?
- 3:43Roshni Patel, MD: So, going to answer that a couple different ways.
- 3:46One of them is kind of which style patient would be the right style patient?
- 3:52And so, I'm going to say that first from a logistical standpoint of, you
- 3:56know, the patients who are either I'm going to say schedule-y challenged;
- 4:00maybe they have very busy, hectic, work lives, and they cannot actually
- 4:05leave work to come in to see their primary care physician, but they do have
- 4:10some needs that need to be addressed.
- 4:12Maybe they're not acute or emergent style needs, but they're nonetheless
- 4:17things that are on their mind that they want to help discuss at a physician's
- 4:22office, but they just can't get there.
- 4:23So, that's one of the logistic kind of types of patients.
- 4:27You know, I think of people like busy moms or shift workers, and I say busy
- 4:32moms, but as in busy moms and dads, any parent who's trying to manage multiple
- 4:38schedules, it's quite challenging to sometimes take care of yourself.
- 4:42And so, that's an easy thought for understanding the style of patient.
- 4:46And then, also maybe older patients who have transportation issues or any
- 4:51patient who has a transportation issue where they can't physically come into
- 4:56the clinic in order to get that care.
- 4:59Meghan Huffman: I think the other nice thing is that our hours are so extended
- 5:02that it can really meet anyone's schedule.
- 5:04So if you really can't see a physician during a typical 8:00 to 5:00 when
- 5:09clinics are open, a lot of times your only option is to go to an urgent
- 5:12care or to go to emergency room.
- 5:14And the nice thing here is, that you can actually schedule an appointment
- 5:17at 8 o'clock at night if that's what's best for your schedule.
- 5:20And so, we want to make sure, just like Dr.
- 5:21Patel said, we're trying to meet patients where they're at and
- 5:24what's most convenient for them
- 5:26Host: Well, Meghan, do you envision primary care being
- 5:29replaced by virtual primary care?
- 5:32Meghan Huffman: So, this is always a tricky question when people talk
- 5:35about virtual care, and I never think that virtual care is ever going to
- 5:38replace the need of our in-person clinics and our in-person physicians.
- 5:43It is really just another tool in the toolbox to where we can reach patients,
- 5:47we can give them the care that they need.
- 5:49And it's really about what is clinically most appropriate for
- 5:53the service that we're delivering for what the patient needs.
- 5:56And that's really our main focus, is to say sometimes virtual visits
- 6:00are the right clinically appropriate for that particular patient.
- 6:03And there's other situations where that's not always true.
- 6:05But we want to make sure that we at least have that offering for
- 6:08when it is clinically appropriate.
- 6:10And when patients do want it, we're able to offer that service.
- 6:13Host: Dr.
- 6:13Patel, what kind of health needs can be handled virtually?
- 6:18Roshni Patel, MD: The best types of health needs that can be met are, you
- 6:24know, the easiest ones I think of are, for example, chronic conditions, patients
- 6:29who are diabetics or have high blood pressure, maybe high cholesterol, any
- 6:35mental health need discussions that can be done well in a virtual space.
- 6:42There are certain things that, you know, just truly can't be.
- 6:45A physical exam, like your annual physical exam.
- 6:48You can do parts of a physical exam visually through a virtual setting.
- 6:54But then, there are certain parts that just cannot be correctly
- 6:57done, competently done, thoroughly done in a virtual setting.
- 7:01And so, you know, we don't anticipate this type of service to
- 7:05completely replace anything that can be done in an in-person setting.
- 7:10But there is going to be a lot of those, what I call them, chronic conditions
- 7:15or things that are consistently occurring to that patient where we
- 7:20can help discuss, navigate their care needs, help understand kind of what
- 7:25are their next steps, maybe medications that might need some adjustment.
- 7:30Those sorts of things are the best ones.
- 7:32Host: As we talk about managing chronic conditions through virtual
- 7:36primary care, are there examples of conditions that may benefit from earlier
- 7:40intervention through virtual access?
- 7:44Roshni Patel, MD: I think prevention medicine is an
- 7:46excellent example of that, right?
- 7:48So, let's say, somebody in the family recently had something happen with
- 7:54their heart and you're wondering, "Oh my gosh, is that going to be me next?
- 7:58How do I help figure out what are the types of things that
- 8:03we need to talk through?"
- 8:05Let's understand and update things like their family history, and
- 8:08then we can talk through what are the evaluation points needed.
- 8:12And again, all of that evaluation cannot occur during the virtual space.
- 8:18But at least, the right discussion is completed and then the right
- 8:22maybe testing that needs to be ordered, the orders get placed.
- 8:25And then, the next steps can be taken off of that.
- 8:29Host: Now, you mentioned that virtual care does not replace in-person
- 8:32care, but what kinds of symptoms or concerns still require in-person care?
- 8:36And how does a clinician decide when a patient needs to be seen in person
- 8:41rather than a virtual primary care visit?
- 8:44Roshni Patel, MD: True emergencies, just like if you called my clinic
- 8:48today, my brick-and-mortar clinic, the first message that you get, whether
- 8:52it's Novant Health or any other health institution, is, "If this is an emergency,
- 8:58please hang up and call 911," right?
- 9:00So, emergencies themselves cannot be managed correctly in the virtual space.
- 9:06If I'm evaluating a patient, and this is true whether this is
- 9:09brick-and-mortar or in-person, at some point in that evaluation, I have to
- 9:15understand, "Can I, in this current setting that I am in, manage this
- 9:20person's healthcare needs fully?"
- 9:23And if I cannot do that, right, whether you're in person or virtually, then my
- 9:28job is to help say, "Wait," and then help get them to the right next steps.
- 9:33And part of the beauty of being within a system like Novant Health
- 9:36is we have so many tools and services at our disposal that I can help
- 9:42patients get them to the right place to get them the right clinical care.
- 9:46But I want to say, Amanda, it's a clinical radar that we have running at all times.
- 9:55So, what I mean to say is it's not true just in the virtual setting.
- 9:58It's true in all settings.
- 10:00Host: In the virtual setting, if a patient needs lab work or imaging or, as you
- 10:05mentioned, going to another specialist or a different referral, how is that handled
- 10:11in the virtual primary care setting, Dr.
- 10:13Patel?
- 10:15Roshni Patel, MD: Right.
- 10:15If you were seeing me as a patient, I would have completed your evaluation.
- 10:20We would have talked through what those next steps are.
- 10:22If it involves lab orders and/or imaging, I would place those orders.
- 10:27And then, you would be directed to the in-person facility site
- 10:32to get those things completed.
- 10:34If that was labs, that might be a separate lab facility.
- 10:37And then, imaging, of course, would happen at imaging places.
- 10:41Host: And then, Meghan, will virtual primary care patients have an ongoing
- 10:45relationship with a care team, or will they see a different clinician every time?
- 10:50Meghan Huffman: This was a really important part of us, of our decision
- 10:54when we launched virtual primary care.
- 10:55We wanted it to be as close as that in-person longevity
- 11:00relationship as possible.
- 11:02And so, the way we've set this up is that any time a patient comes to
- 11:06virtual primary care, once they see that physician the first time, it'll
- 11:10automatically show up in their myChart to where they can continue to have
- 11:14follow-up visits, an ongoing relationship.
- 11:16We think that's a really, really important piece of offering any kind
- 11:20of healthcare from a primary care lens, especially in the virtual space.
- 11:23We want patients and that caregiver or that physician to know each other,
- 11:28and have that relationship and be able to book a quick visit and know, "Dr.
- 11:32Patel's going to take care of me.
- 11:33We know each other.
- 11:34They know my history.
- 11:35They know the backstory."
- 11:37That is critical and very important.
- 11:39So, we have set that up in a way that you should expect when you
- 11:41come to virtual primary care that will be your ongoing physician.
- 11:45Roshni Patel, MD: I think that continuity is really important.
- 11:47So, I'm going to say as a primary care physician myself, you know, we
- 11:51work hard in our brick-and-mortar clinics to help make sure patients are
- 11:54being able to have the access to see the same person through their care.
- 11:59We also want to make sure that's happening in the virtual primary care setting.
- 12:03And truthfully, you know, the conversations are what create that bond
- 12:07or that relationship, and that's going to be true whether that's through a
- 12:11virtual screen or if it's in person.
- 12:14Host: So, it is possible to have that really personal feeling and privacy
- 12:19with your doctor through a screen.
- 12:21Meghan Huffman: Yes.
- 12:22Absolutely.
- 12:22Roshni Patel, MD: It's not just possible, but it is the goal.
- 12:24I was laughing to say, you know, we've gotten so comfortable now
- 12:29culturally to allow relationships to build through a screen.
- 12:34I'll say even my family, like if I call anybody in my family, we FaceTime them.
- 12:41I don't just pick up the phone and do an audio call, because it is
- 12:45really nice to have that second enhancement of adding video with that.
- 12:50Host: Well, Dr.
- 12:51Patel, because this does work so well on that level, do you envision
- 12:55virtual primary care eventually replacing traditional primary
- 12:59care brick-and-mortar offices?
- 13:01Roshni Patel, MD: There's always gogoing to a part of human care that needs human
- 13:07in-person to human in-person interaction.
- 13:10There is something incredibly special about that and that's not
- 13:16going to go away no matter how advanced technology ever gets.
- 13:20There is something just about, you know, humanity, itself and the comfort that
- 13:25you will get with another human near you.
- 13:28Host: Meghan, this is not Novant Health's first venture into virtual care.
- 13:33What have you learned from providing more than 500,000 virtual visits so far?
- 13:39Meghan Huffman: This was one of my favorite questions that I saw
- 13:41on this for the podcast today.
- 13:43I get so passionate about this space.
- 13:45I think it's important to kind of take a little bit of a step back
- 13:47to say, right now, the healthcare industry is really saturated with
- 13:51direct-to-consumer healthcare tech companies and consumer companies in
- 13:55a way we've never really seen before.
- 13:57And we've noticed a lot of companies out there offering they can be your
- 14:02primary care specialist, or they can provide virtual urgent care or menopause
- 14:06care or weight management care.
- 14:08And we looked around and we said, "Wait a second.
- 14:11We have some of the best physicians in the world.
- 14:13You know, why are we not doing this?
- 14:14We should be able to offer patients the same type of service, except
- 14:18for, in our humble opinion, better," because we have health system.
- 14:22We've been doing this for a really long time.
- 14:24And so, we did start a virtual menopause clinic, which has
- 14:27been unbelievably successful.
- 14:29We're able to meet so many women where they're at, women who never thought they
- 14:33would be able to have a conversation with a physician who is an expert in this space
- 14:39that we're able to provide that care for.
- 14:41And what we've learned is that the patients coming to Novant Health's
- 14:44virtual services are not just super easy.
- 14:48We're going to hand them HRT, or we're going to hand them GLPs.
- 14:51We're going to do another script fill.
- 14:52That is not the service that we're providing.
- 14:54We are really taking care of these patients in a holistic manner,
- 14:58and we're not just treating whatever you come to us for.
- 15:01So if you come for menopause or come in for virtual primary care, we're
- 15:05looking at you as a whole person.
- 15:07And Dr.
- 15:07Patel referenced this earlier.
- 15:09We're saying, "Okay, we've got your labs back.
- 15:11Maybe something's come, and you need to see someone in cardiology,
- 15:15or you need to go see oncology."
- 15:17We've had so many cancer patients also come through, really complex
- 15:21patients, and we're treating them holistically and getting them to the
- 15:25right next space in this beautiful way where we're packaging up the notes.
- 15:29It's all in the same EMR.
- 15:30We're having doc-to-doc conversations before you get to your next appointment.
- 15:35I think that's the beauty.
- 15:36And what we've learned through this is we're able to take care of the whole
- 15:40person, even if this is just how they came through that initial front door.
- 15:43There's so many more avenues.
- 15:45So, we've learned that, first and foremost.
- 15:47And second of all, we've just learned that convenience really makes the difference
- 15:50of someone keeping their appointment.
- 15:53We've seen so many women say, "I just kept scheduling appointments and putting
- 15:56it off and canceling and rescheduling.
- 15:58But when this virtual option came by, I was able to do it during my planning
- 16:02period at school," or "I was able to do it right before I went to pick the kids
- 16:06up" or, you know, whatever their story may be, this really just gave them an
- 16:09avenue they didn't have before to just take control of their own healthcare.
- 16:12So, we've learned that the patients love it.
- 16:14We've also learned the physicians love it.
- 16:16It's a very easy way for physicians to spend that one-on-one time
- 16:20with their patients without having other distractions.
- 16:23And not that our brick and mortars are always distracted, but it is just a quiet
- 16:27time that you can have that conversation.
- 16:29So, we've learned a lot, and we've learned that this is something that
- 16:31we have to do as a healthcare system.
- 16:33Roshni Patel, MD: I think through our virtual offerings, I honestly
- 16:38think people felt like it was going to be another way in which
- 16:42healthcare is going to get fragmented.
- 16:45But in my opinion, I actually think it's one of the better ways in which
- 16:49we've been able to help connect the dots better and actually help the
- 16:53patient get connected to the next steps along their healthcare journey.
- 16:59I feel like, in a lot of the avenues for care that we've offered patients,
- 17:07a lot of times patients are getting the feeling of fragmentation.
- 17:11Because at any single point, it feels very incomplete, the torch didn't
- 17:16get passed along to the next stop.
- 17:18At the same time, you know, just like in brick and mortar, we want
- 17:22the patients to come back in, and we want that avenue to be fast and easy.
- 17:27And I think that's also one of the things that virtual visits
- 17:30has been able to help diminish.
- 17:32That is that time to come back in and touch the healthcare system, get the next
- 17:37piece of advice to like, you know, again, move that torch along in the journey.
- 17:42So, my additional comment is that one of the things I think we learned is that we
- 17:49are able to help reduce the fragmentation by offering solutions like this.
- 17:55Host: That's interesting because you mentioned, Meghan, how Novant Health
- 17:59has expanded into some specialty areas like menopause care, preventive
- 18:03cardiology, and weight management.
- 18:05And I think what you're saying, Dr.
- 18:06Patel, is the successes you have seen in those programs sort of informed this new
- 18:12virtual primary care offering, making it more holistic rather than more fragmented.
- 18:18Meghan Huffman: Yeah, I think you're spot on with that.
- 18:20It's something that we've really taken seriously to make sure that
- 18:23patients don't feel like we're dropping the ball or that there's a gap.
- 18:26And I think a lot of this goes back to what we started with, what's the problem
- 18:29we're trying to solve, and that's access.
- 18:31We're trying to make sure patients don't have to wait so long to
- 18:33get in to see a specialist.
- 18:35And a lot of times, we're able to augment some of that by having some
- 18:39virtual visits up front to start getting the ball rolling, start getting
- 18:42that next step happen where we can get labs going, we can get images
- 18:46going, we can make sure patients are getting to the right next spot.
- 18:50And I think that's a really important piece of what we're trying to really hone
- 18:53in on with all of our virtual specialties.
- 18:56And you're starting to see these getting specific like menopause or like weight
- 18:59management, and soon to come headache or sleep, is that we want patients to see
- 19:04the right type of physician at the right time so that we're not wasting anyone's
- 19:10time or anyone's expertise as we go along.
- 19:12And I think that virtual care is a really good avenue to be able to get
- 19:16some of that done on the forefront as we're figuring out what are
- 19:19the right next steps for patients.
- 19:21Host: Meghan, Novant Health is partnering with K Health to bring this virtual
- 19:25primary care service to patients.
- 19:27What does that partnership look like and what does this mean for patients?
- 19:32Meghan Huffman: Yeah.
- 19:32So, we started to partner with K Health.
- 19:35We looked at some of the technology that they have around their AI capabilities.
- 19:39And what they showed us was, is that they're able to do a virtual dynamic
- 19:43intake with patients prior to their visit to really start to ask some of
- 19:47those questions that would normally get asked in a brick-and-mortar by a nurse
- 19:51or a CNA that's rooming the patient to kind of get that background information.
- 19:55What are you coming in for today?
- 19:57It's dynamic in its answer.
- 19:59So based on the answer you gave it before, it is going to
- 20:02ask another type of question.
- 20:04And then, at the end of that, it's going to summarize all of it and put it right
- 20:07in front of the physician so that way that physician can get a quick summary
- 20:10of what you just said, intake that information, and be very ready and present
- 20:15for whenever that visit's to start.
- 20:16And we really like that capability from K Health.
- 20:19And they have opportunities that we can start to create AI intakes
- 20:22for several different types of specialties, just to help the
- 20:25visits go along a little bit faster.
- 20:27We still need our nurses.
- 20:28We still need our CMAs.
- 20:30That's not going to change.
- 20:32But this is just another tool in their toolbox to help us, you
- 20:35know, get patients' information a little bit quicker, get it
- 20:37summarized for the physicians.
- 20:39We really like that.
- 20:40Also, K Health provides another tool that we've been using called PatientGPT.
- 20:46We're calling it Aubrey.
- 20:47And so, Aubrey is our AI navigator here at Novant Health.
- 20:51It can help answer your questions, can get you to that right level of care.
- 20:54And so, when you ask a question, and it really does need to be answered
- 20:58by a physician, we can connect you right then and there to virtual
- 21:01primary care or to a brick-and-mortar if that's what your preference is.
- 21:04So, we're really excited about the technology and the partnership
- 21:06that K Health brings to the table.
- 21:09Roshni Patel, MD: I'll add from a clinical lens, our partnership with
- 21:12K Health has really been a success because one of the things that K Health
- 21:16has done, they are a tech company at heart; however, they are very invested
- 21:21in making sure they're building a tech product that's built responsibly from
- 21:26a clinical angle, and that is something that was very refreshing to see.
- 21:31I will say sure, there's lots of efficiencies and things like that are
- 21:35going to happen because of tech advances.
- 21:37But to be able to have a partner that's allowing, you know, that clinical
- 21:41responsibility to stay at the forefront of each project is quite different.
- 21:47And I think that is what helped that partnership be a success.
- 21:52Host: Now, I know we talked about this earlier about accessibility and what kind
- 21:57of patient might benefit from virtual primary care and has a lot to do with
- 22:01scheduling and transportation issues.
- 22:04But just to sum up, Dr.
- 22:05Patel, how should patients decide whether virtual primary care is right for them?
- 22:12Roshni Patel, MD: Part of my answer is you don't know until you try, right?
- 22:15So if you've never had a virtual visit before, I think part of it is, you
- 22:19know, just understanding kind of what does that mean to have a virtual visit.
- 22:24They will be pleasantly surprised to be able to see the value and the
- 22:28quality of care that is able to be delivered from a virtual setting.
- 22:32I'm not sure that there is an automatic yes or no answer there.
- 22:37The yes or no answers most of the time come from our clinical radar again.
- 22:43You know, there are true things that really just cannot be
- 22:46completed in a virtual setting.
- 22:48True emergency interventions cannot occur in a virtual setting, right?
- 22:53So, I think the not right for you for a virtual visit has to be much more
- 23:01of a clinical radar type of question, and that's where we believe the tools
- 23:06like our PatientGPT Aubrey Navigator is going to be a helpful way for you
- 23:14to understand should we be directing you to virtual care or should we not?
- 23:18Host: Well, I'd like to end by asking you both this question,
- 23:22maybe starting with you, Meghan.
- 23:23Is there anything else patients should know before their first
- 23:27virtual primary care visit?
- 23:29Meghan Huffman: Yeah.
- 23:29So, kind of like I was mentioning earlier, there is an AI intake,
- 23:33so we're asking patients to get to their virtual visit about 15 minutes
- 23:36early so they can complete that intake and be prepared for the visit.
- 23:40The other thing is just a reminder for patients that this is an office visit.
- 23:45It is a professional situation.
- 23:47And so, having a little bit of that patient conduct as it relates to don't
- 23:51be driving in the car trying to take your visit, don't do a virtual visit with a
- 23:56lot of distractions in the background.
- 23:57You want to make sure that you're in a HIPAA-compliant environment.
- 24:00You need to be someplace that we can see you, that we can hear you.
- 24:03You need to be dressed appropriately.
- 24:05So, I think those are some things just to remember.
- 24:07We know you're sick or we know you don't feel good.
- 24:09But, you know, come to that visit prepared just like it would be in person, so that
- 24:13way we can give you as the patient the best clinical experience that we can.
- 24:17Roshni Patel, MD: And I'll add in there that, over the years, there's
- 24:20been a desensitization to what occurs or the expectations of what
- 24:26should occur in a healthcare visit.
- 24:30And when I say desensitization, as in, you know, sometimes people
- 24:35will equate the 15-minute timeframe that they have allotted for a visit
- 24:40with a healthcare provider as equal to me getting grocery, you know,
- 24:45picking up milk at the grocery store.
- 24:47That is fine time-wise, it may be approximately equal.
- 24:52But we have a lot of very important things that we are going to be discussing.
- 24:57And so, you know, we want to make sure that patients also understand that we
- 25:02want them to be fully understanding that the respect is both ways.
- 25:07We want them to understand that we very much value and we want to make
- 25:11sure that the clinical decisions that we're going to be giving them, the
- 25:15navigational advice and guidance that we're going to be giving them, we're
- 25:19giving that to them with respect to their needs in a very personalized and
- 25:25customized fashion, and that takes time.
- 25:28That also takes a lot of expertise and learning.
- 25:30So, it may not feel very hard and fast every single visit, you know, and it
- 25:36shouldn't be that it's only valued when somebody's life is on the line, right?
- 25:41Every single visit should have that same sort of value and respect both ways.
- 25:46Host: I think we're learning that there is a lot of thought being put into this,
- 25:50a lot of respect, and a lot of expertise.
- 25:54Thank you both so much for helping us understand the basics and the
- 25:57complexities of virtual primary care.
- 26:00I wish you continued success with this wonderful program.
- 26:04Roshni Patel, MD: Thank you.
- 26:04Meghan Huffman: Thanks, Amanda.
- 26:05Host: To find a physician, visit novanthealth.org.
- 26:09For more health and wellness information from our experts,
- 26:12visit healthyheadlines.org.