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TMI: Culture, Clemency & Controversy: We’ve Got a Lot to Discuss · TMI

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  Speaker 1: I'm Tameka D. Mallory.
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  Speaker 2: And it's your boy, Myson the General.
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  Speaker 1: We are your host of TMI.
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  Speaker 2: Tameka and Myson's information, truth, motivation, and inspiration.
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  Speaker 1: New name, new energy, but.
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  Speaker 2: Same old us. How you doing, Tameka D. Mallory?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Doing good, Myson. What's going on with you?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing. How was your Labor Day weekend? It was good.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I got I had a restful weekend. I
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  Speaker 3: did a couple of, you know, fun things, exciting things.
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  Speaker 3: But for the most part, I rested. Shout out to
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  Speaker 3: Don Poo, our brother, who we love so much and
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  Speaker 3: really celebrate him for all his accomplishments for a black
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  Speaker 3: man to have multiple restaurants between Times Square, Lower Manhattan,
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  Speaker 3: Dubai and.
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  Speaker 1: One year anniversary in Miami.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's really just good to see him maintain
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  Speaker 3: that and maintain a good, positive, just always the same
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  Speaker 3: energy with everybody, everywhere he goes.
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  Speaker 1: He's so loved.
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  Speaker 3: So I was down in Miami celebrating his one year anniversary.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to his wife, Nikki, who has been a
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  Speaker 3: laborer as well to help him build his empire.
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  Speaker 1: And I got a chance to be with Yandy.
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  Speaker 3: At a dope celebration where a whole bunch of fancy
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  Speaker 3: people showed up to, you know, to celebrate poo.
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  Speaker 1: And so that was one thing.
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  Speaker 3: And then also I went to the Orange Bowl, which
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  Speaker 3: is a game between FAMU and another college. But it
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  Speaker 3: was South Carolina this particular time. And South Carolina beat them.
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  Speaker 3: We were there rooting for FAMU. And, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: got to hang out with the people who do the lawyering.
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  Speaker 3: Attorney Ben Crump and Attorney Sue Ann Robinson and a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of other folks. Shout out to our guy, the
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  Speaker 3: former councilman, Reggie Leon. So he is no longer in
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  Speaker 3: elected office, but he will be running for mayor soon.
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  Speaker 3: at least we're trying to encourage him and make sure
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  Speaker 3: that he runs for mayor. He's going to be mayor
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  Speaker 3: Leon in Miami gardens. So, you know, had, had a
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  Speaker 3: good time being with all the folks, but in between,
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  Speaker 3: I just kept resting. I threatened many times to go out.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to show up at X, Y, Z event,
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  Speaker 3: but I didn't go.
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  Speaker 1: So it was good.
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  Speaker 3: And lots of storms, you know, the weather, as we
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  Speaker 3: see every year around this time of year, The storms.
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  Speaker 1: Are always very, very massive.
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  Speaker 3: That's just, you know, the nature of the Caribbean and
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  Speaker 3: the islands and whatnot, and obviously Florida is so attached
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  Speaker 3: to those places. But there's been some lightning that is
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  Speaker 3: a little disturbing to me. Maybe other people are not
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  Speaker 3: experiencing it, but I heard some lightning in New York
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  Speaker 3: last week that was like very, very, very strong. It
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  Speaker 3: was like real scary. I haven't heard lightning like that
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  Speaker 3: in a long time. And the same was happening in Florida.
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  Speaker 3: This lightning that's like the world is just crashing.
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  Speaker 1: So that's it. I just rested.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it sounds pretty eventful. Shout out to Don Poole
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  Speaker 2: for congratulations on his one year. You know, I wish
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  Speaker 2: I could have been there, but I was a soccer
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  Speaker 2: dad this weekend. My son just started his soccer season. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: this weekend, Saturday was the first game. So they had
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  Speaker 2: a tournament. And when they went to the championship, we
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  Speaker 2: had a two-day tournament, and they won one game the
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  Speaker 2: first day, lost the second, and did the same thing,
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  Speaker 2: and they lost in the championship on Sunday. But they
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  Speaker 2: went to overtime. You're watching these little kids play soccer
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  Speaker 2: in intensity, and they went to a sudden death match
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  Speaker 2: where you have to kick penalty goals. So they pick
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  Speaker 2: five or six players from their team, and they all
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  Speaker 2: line up with the goalie, and they have to try
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  Speaker 2: to kick the goal past the goalie. And whoever gets
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  Speaker 2: the most wins. So, you know, they did the penalty goals.
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  Speaker 2: And my son's best friend, who is like one of
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  Speaker 2: the best players on the team, along with him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he missed his penalty goal. He was so pissed off
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  Speaker 2: because he usually doesn't miss stuff like that. And he
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  Speaker 2: was crying. And, you know, I'm cheering him up. But
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  Speaker 2: you could tell he took it really hard. But they
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  Speaker 2: played so hard. You know, so I love the intensity
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  Speaker 2: of the games. And it's teaching him character. And his
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  Speaker 2: father was like, what are you crying for? But you
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  Speaker 2: can tell he really took it hard. Because I remember
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  Speaker 2: a few years ago, a similar situation like that happened
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  Speaker 2: with Keston. You know, he took it really hard, too.
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  Speaker 2: But it was a real good game. Two of the
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  Speaker 2: best games. The day before, they had played the same team.
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  Speaker 2: And the team beat them by four goals. So... Now
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  Speaker 2: when they met him in the championship, it was 1-1. Like,
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  Speaker 2: they played really, really hard all the way to the end. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they lost. But it was a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I did. I also did a couple barbecues.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to the Westside Barbecues. Will Trax was DJing,
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  Speaker 2: him and DJ E. Kim. So that was a cool
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  Speaker 2: little situation. They had all types of barbecues all over
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  Speaker 2: New York City. Then shout out to Blackbird. You know,
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  Speaker 2: one of my clients that I work with, they had
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  Speaker 2: a barbecue. Shout out to Tanadrian Fleming. They had a
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  Speaker 2: barbecue in Rockland. We went over there, ate food, listened
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  Speaker 2: to music. And that was pretty much the end of it. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: shout out to Lola Morena. Fabulous. And the whole Let's
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  Speaker 2: Talk About It podcast was over there. So I spent
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  Speaker 2: it talking to my guys over there and we talked
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  Speaker 2: about hip hop and You know, we had different debates
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  Speaker 2: about different things. It was good to see them, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a lot of industry dudes that I'm actually
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  Speaker 2: cool with, but actually it's crazy that all four of
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  Speaker 2: them are people that I'm cool with. And Jim came
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  Speaker 2: in there on his crutches, and they was making fun
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  Speaker 2: of him because if you looked online, he was playing
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  Speaker 2: tennis and something cracked in his leg. So him and
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  Speaker 2: Maino been making little jokes about his leg. But it
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  Speaker 2: was a cool all-around cool weekend. you know, got to
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  Speaker 2: have fun with the kids and go out for a
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  Speaker 2: little while. So, you know, and the weather was actually
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  Speaker 2: good here. There was no rain. It was none of that.
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  Speaker 2: The weather was really good. It was cool, but hot
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  Speaker 2: at the same time. You know, it's that weird time
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  Speaker 2: of year where the sun shines real, it'd be hot
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  Speaker 2: in the sun. And then when you go in the shade,
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  Speaker 2: you get chilly, you know, so the weather held up,
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  Speaker 2: but it was a good time. Labor Day weekend was good.
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  Speaker 2: I heard everybody was going to You know, it's also
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  Speaker 2: been Caribbean weekend. They celebrated all of the Caribbean. Jube. Jube.
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  Speaker 2: They had Jube. They had all of it. So you
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  Speaker 2: would see a lot of the Caribbean people walking around,
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  Speaker 2: dressed up, whatever. So it was actually a good weekend.
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  Speaker 2: You could tell the summer is over. That was it.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 3: This is the last quarter of the year. And for us,
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  Speaker 3: it represents the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Of the.
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  Speaker 3: Fire alarm, GOTV, get everybody to the polls movement that
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  Speaker 3: everybody that is somebody who knows the importance of this
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  Speaker 3: election has to get involved in right now. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's what it's all going to be about the next
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  Speaker 3: few weeks. Next two months, we will be drained. You know,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people have expectations of us to show
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  Speaker 3: up and to do the job. And you got to
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  Speaker 3: fight over money. It's, you know, it doesn't just happen. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why people have this impression that. that
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  Speaker 3: in order to organize, it's free. You have to actually
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  Speaker 3: go to the places that matter, right?
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  Speaker 1: Not everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it is important that people vote in the midterms everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Anywhere that there's an election, you need to be voting.
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  Speaker 3: But there are certain places that it matters more than
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  Speaker 3: others because there are races and or just geographically, you
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  Speaker 3: need to make sure that we get.
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  Speaker 1: Our people out.
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  Speaker 3: And so in order to do that, it's not just
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  Speaker 3: sitting on.
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  Speaker 1: The corner, which is important work.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, if you want to sit on
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  Speaker 3: the corner of your block and register people, you should
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  Speaker 3: have a little water, a snack, lunch. And if you're
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  Speaker 3: taking time off of your regular job in order to
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  Speaker 3: be able to do.
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  Speaker 1: It, you still have to sustain yourself.
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  Speaker 3: So there is really literally nothing that you can do
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't cost a thing. There's always going to be
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  Speaker 3: some type if you are a real organizer. But for us,
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  Speaker 3: we have to travel. You got to fight and hustle
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  Speaker 3: back and forth to get the resources. So, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's always a tough time of year, but we do
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  Speaker 3: what we have to.
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  Speaker 1: We do what we must.
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  Speaker 2: We definitely do. You know, speaking of Elections. I seen
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  Speaker 2: you with Angie Nixon. I seen you took a picture
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  Speaker 2: of Angie Nixon. I did.
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  Speaker 3: I spent a nice amount of time with Angie Nixon.
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  Speaker 3: She's running for Senate, the United States Senate in Florida.
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  Speaker 3: She is credible, capable and ready. you know, she's a
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  Speaker 3: serious sister, always has been, you know, I've always loved
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  Speaker 3: Angie Nixon anyway, just from afar.
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  Speaker 1: I never really had an opportunity to.
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  Speaker 3: You know, have a strong relationship with her, but we're
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  Speaker 3: definitely leaning in. In my personal time, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: work with some of our sisters to get people on
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  Speaker 3: the ground in Florida to support her. And, you know, and,
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  Speaker 3: and just watching people respond to her at the FAMU game,
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  Speaker 3: you can see that Floridians are like, this is our girl.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what we need.
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  Speaker 3: We need Black folks to know that we have the
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  Speaker 3: power to elect her.
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  Speaker 1: She can be elected.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: By the greatest turnout that Florida has ever had. We
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  Speaker 3: have to remind people all the time that What's his name?
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  Speaker 3: President Barack Obama won Florida. He won Florida. So if
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  Speaker 3: he could do it, that means that the people are here.
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  Speaker 1: You've got a line.
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  Speaker 3: And I was talking to another state representative, a sister
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  Speaker 3: who said that she was explaining to me the breakdown,
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  Speaker 3: because the one thing we know is that more Republicans
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  Speaker 3: voted in the primary, more Republicans voted in the primary
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  Speaker 3: than Democrats. They didn't vote for Democrats. A Democrat, you know,
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  Speaker 3: everybody stays in their lane, obviously, in primaries. I don't
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  Speaker 3: have to explain this to people they already know. But
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  Speaker 3: more Republicans voted than Democrats. If the same thing happened,
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  Speaker 3: she probably would not win. But what will make this
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  Speaker 3: different is that independents enter the chat, right? And the
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  Speaker 3: independents will likely not vote for Donald Trump. And there
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  Speaker 3: are a bunch of people who did not participate in
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  Speaker 3: the primaries who will vote in the general election.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, we have a good data in the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We have a real, real good shot. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I love that, man. Like you said, I think Angie is,
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  Speaker 2: as you would say that you're honest that I'm qualified.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. She's qualified.
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  Speaker 2: Qualified. So we're talking about elected officials and we talk
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  Speaker 2: about the government, you know. So last week it was
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  Speaker 2: announced that Emory Jones, Jay-Z affiliate, Roc Nation affiliate, was
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  Speaker 2: granted a presidential pardon. You know, Emory's a good friend
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  Speaker 2: of mine's, man. I love Emory. You know, we have
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  Speaker 2: good conversations. He's Down to earth. He's been home a
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  Speaker 2: lot of years and been doing a lot of work,
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  Speaker 2: putting a lot of black athletes and entertainers in position.
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  Speaker 2: He's worked. He works at Puma. He's designed shoes with
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  Speaker 2: Nipsey Hussle. He's he's worked with ASAP Rocky. So to
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  Speaker 2: see him actually come home and do the work, you know,
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  Speaker 2: serve his time and be granted that pardon. was a
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  Speaker 2: blessing to me. So I celebrated it, you know, and,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't, and I'm not, everybody knows that I
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  Speaker 2: don't give a damn about Trump, but this is one
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  Speaker 2: thing that was done properly. So I shouted him out
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  Speaker 2: and the comments on my page were interesting. It was
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  Speaker 2: kind of actually like, when people found out that I
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  Speaker 2: was on the transition team with the mayor. You know,
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  Speaker 2: people started talking about, oh, why are you going to
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  Speaker 2: have a criminal? Why are we celebrating a criminal? Why
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  Speaker 2: would a criminal be this person? put in this type
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  Speaker 2: of position and people were on there just talking crazy. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: he was a drug dealer. Why do we care that
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  Speaker 2: a drug dealer is pouring? Why are you celebrating the
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  Speaker 2: drug dealer? And it was so crazy to me. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm just listening. I'm writing. There's a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: that was happy for him, but it was a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people that wasn't. And I'm like, why are people
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  Speaker 2: angry that someone who changed their life around has come
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  Speaker 2: back to society and been a productive member of It's
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  Speaker 2: receiving a pardon. You know, isn't that the goal? The
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  Speaker 2: goal is for if you make a mistake, you pay
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  Speaker 2: your debt to society. You know, you go to rehabilitation.
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  Speaker 2: That's what a prison is supposed to do, rehabilitate you.
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  Speaker 2: So when you come back to society, that you can
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  Speaker 2: be productive. You know, a lot of people don't understand
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  Speaker 2: when you get criminal charges and federal charges, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's collateral damage that comes even after you served your time.
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  Speaker 2: So you can't travel to certain places. You know, you're
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  Speaker 2: not allowed in certain places, certain opportunities you don't have
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  Speaker 2: based on the fact that you have this felony. You know,
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  Speaker 2: so now he can actually live his full life. You know,
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  Speaker 2: someone who's doing the work that he's doing should be
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  Speaker 2: able to travel to all of the countries without being stopped,
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  Speaker 2: without being held. You know, I was held. I went
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  Speaker 2: to on tour with the game years ago. And because
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  Speaker 2: of my felony, I was, you know, held. in customs
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  Speaker 2: in Australia for three days, you know, and pretty much
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  Speaker 2: in their jail until I was shipped back because I
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  Speaker 2: had a felony, you know, so I was happy for him.
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  Speaker 2: And I just don't understand why people made it seem
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  Speaker 2: like because someone did a crime and paid their debt
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  Speaker 2: to society that they should not be able to thrive.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I just don't understand that. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why people have this mind state.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what I saw more than, I mean, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: even pay attention to that, But in your comments, I
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  Speaker 3: did see people saying, oh, now you have to celebrate Trump. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, oh, I thought you didn't like Trump. And
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  Speaker 3: it's funny because, you know, I feel like we are
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  Speaker 3: living in a world where no matter how much we
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  Speaker 3: do or how much we say, people are just committed
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  Speaker 3: to either misunderstanding or missing the information. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: of a time that someone said, Even people who are
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  Speaker 3: not well known was pardoned by Trump that we didn't
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  Speaker 3: say this is great.
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  Speaker 1: This is a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: Like we're not people who are living in the world without.
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  Speaker 1: Reason and common sense.
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has pardoned a number of people.
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  Speaker 1: We know that we actually did a whole segment on
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  Speaker 1: our show.
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  Speaker 3: Some maybe probably last season, where we talked about President
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  Speaker 3: Obama and his intentions in terms of trying to pardon
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  Speaker 3: as he wanted to do one sweeping pardon of all
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  Speaker 3: people with nonviolent drug offenses. And it was a couple
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  Speaker 3: of different categories. And his people, his legal people, were
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  Speaker 3: working to get it done. But the Republicans blocked it
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  Speaker 3: and would not allow him to free, you know, however
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  Speaker 3: many people. So he had to do it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: one by one, individually individually. at the end of his term. Nevertheless,
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  Speaker 3: he was lit physically in.
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  Speaker 1: The process of trying, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He wanted to do something historic to get, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to actually use pardons for what they're supposed to be for.
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  Speaker 3: Pardons are supposed to be for people, as you said,
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  Speaker 3: that have done their time. They have shown that they
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  Speaker 3: are productive members of society and they are given a
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  Speaker 3: second chance at life. sometimes it's for people who the
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  Speaker 3: government may say, we don't believe that they got a
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  Speaker 3: fair trial or a fair shot. But most of the time,
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  Speaker 3: pardons go to people, regardless of what they may have done,
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  Speaker 3: they are now a productive member of society who is
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  Speaker 3: supposed to get a second chance at, you know, at
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  Speaker 3: fulfilling their mission, passion, and the work of society.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, One, I don't care who pardons people.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the one thing that Donald Trump has
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  Speaker 3: done that a lot of Black men, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: have cited as a reason why they potentially support him.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if we want to, what is the word?
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  Speaker 3: If we want to analyze that, right, and talk about
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  Speaker 3: why I don't jump up and down because Donald Trump
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  Speaker 3: has pardoned people in a way that makes me say
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  Speaker 3: I can excuse all the other things that's happening.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that we're not going to do.
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  Speaker 3: We're still going to have critical analysis of the full
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  Speaker 3: context of who Donald Trump is and what harm he
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  Speaker 3: has done to our community. In fact, I believe.
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  Speaker 1: that he has used.
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  Speaker 3: Pardons and used this particular aspect of the criminal justice
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  Speaker 3: system as a way to get some Black people and
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  Speaker 3: particularly Black men to ignore the fact that some people
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  Speaker 3: are going to jail right now because their mama don't
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  Speaker 3: have a job. Their father does not have a job.
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  Speaker 3: They're losing housing, losing healthcare, losing the ability to survive.
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  Speaker 1: So on one hand, They're sending people to jail.
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  Speaker 3: And then on the other hand, he's allowing people with
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  Speaker 3: big names and some people who might not have a
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: big name to, you know, me, but y'all know who
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: they are. You guys know who these people are that
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: have been receiving pardons. And so it's a trade off.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: And for some people, all you got to do is
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: let big meat out and then you and you could
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: be the hottest shit that ever happened. Meanwhile, you you
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: you over here putting people in economic situations and circumstances
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: that could have them doing whatever things Emory and whomever
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: else did when they're at a young age that puts
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: them in a cycle of this whole system all over again.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Makes 100% sense. So yeah, I definitely agree with that.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: A lot of people were trying to make it seem
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: like we got to praise Donald Trump. We don't have
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: to praise Donald Trump. I can acknowledge that he did
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: something that I agree with. You know, there's very few
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: things that he does that I agree with. But, you know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: giving partners to a lot of, you know, some individuals
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: that I know who have served their time and deserve
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: to be back free and deserve to be given back
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the rights of a whole citizen. You know, I can
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: say that's a good thing, you know, without without acting
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: as if he's a good president. And that's just the
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: reality of that.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: What did what y'all say that I sometimes can't get right?
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: A broken clock is right twice a day. So there's that.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: There's that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: So, you know, my thought of the day today is surrounding.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: this story in New York City where a young girl
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: opened the door for police who were there to do
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: a wellness check. And when she opened the door at
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: five years old, five years old, it was revealed that
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: her mother had been beaten to death by a romantic partner.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he was former or currently.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: This guy who is alleged to have killed her I
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: think his name is like Fly, Ty, or that's what
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: they call him. Supposedly, he's from a housing development in
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: New York City called St.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Nicholas Projects.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: And there is a search for him and a call
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: for him to turn himself in for killing this woman.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Her name is LaVoy Williams. She was 27 years old.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: And, you know, again, she was beaten to death by
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: a man, this man, likely, and her daughter, was there
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: to see what happened to her mother and then ultimately
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: there as the only person to be able to respond
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: to police when they arrived. And, you know, there's so
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: much that comes up in me about stories like this.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So much love to one Stephanie McGraw.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: This is a sister who has an organization that deals
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: with domestic violence in New York City. And it's so
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: interesting that We were just all on vacation together in
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Martha's Vineyard with Stephanie. It was her first time going
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: to the vineyard, taking some time off. Since Stephanie has
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: been back in New York City, I know of at
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: least four different incidents that she's been involved in.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Where women's lives.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Have been taken and or they have had to be,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of rescued from a very, very violent situation.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: And in fact, the four situations that I know of,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: those people, those women did not make it. But her
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: work every single day She works with Queen Afua, who,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: you know, is helping and building a community of healed.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Women and families and men, of course, children.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: And, you know, so she does that work as just
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: regular maintenance. But she also serves as kind of like
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: a triage for our community around domestic violence. And the
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: amount of stories that's popping up on her social media
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: and the way that her team is running, chasing behind
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: These women who are being murdered by men, mostly romantic partners.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I think there was one incident that was like another
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: family member, but for the most part, it's romantic partners.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: It's very scary. And by the way, she works in
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: the Black community, Black and Latino communities. So it is
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: not to say that it's not happening in other communities.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: And there are other organizations that do that work. But
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: she specifically serves us.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: So if you.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Actually want to support WARM and you're listening, please look
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: them up. They are W-A-R-M-N-Y-C on Instagram. We All Really
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Matter is the full name of our organization, Stephanie McGraw.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: And she definitely needs support from all of us.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: But it is very scary.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: The level of emotional intelligence and maturity that so many
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: men do not have, do not have the ability to
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: to walk away from situations, do not have the ability
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: to either do right or move on. Why, why, why,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: why do we have to bury women who, for the
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: most part, I already know because I've heard the stories
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and you see it all the time, there are so
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: many Men who say, I don't even want you.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be with you.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: And then when a woman decides that she wants to
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: move on, they say that that is the most dangerous.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: This is what the stats say.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Now, this is the data that proves that the most
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: dangerous time for a woman is when she is ready
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: to move on.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So a man has been moved.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Doing all the things, not paying attention to her or,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: you know, or fighting or cheating or lying or doing
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: whatever things he may be doing.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: And it is not until she gets.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Ready to walk away that he wants to fight to
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: the point where her life is taken. And so, you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: LaVoy Williams, God bless, 27 years old, this young woman's
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: daughter and her community, her father, her family, they are
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: going to suffer something and experience, you know, a brutal,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: brutal reality that this woman's life was taken the way
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: that it was.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: And guess what?
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: They probably saw signs. They probably knew that he wasn't
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: good for her. And it seems that in the end,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: she was killed by a coward, but she is not alone.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the whole point of my thought
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: of the day is that it's not just happening to,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: it's not just isolated incidents. of, you know, and very
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: far in view between incidents of women who are being
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: killed by these emotionally unstable, very freaking, just cowardly men, right?
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: It's not just Few and far. It is happening very frequently.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: And I know because working with alongside my sister, Stephanie,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: out there, you know, she does violence prevention work as well,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: but just from the domestic violence lens. It's so obvious
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: that there is a crisis in our society around women
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: who are not protected, one, and two, women who are
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: not making good decisions when it comes to the men
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: that we are choosing to keep in our lives. And third,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: what is the strategy for how a woman can get
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: out of a relationship safely without having her life taken?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Because she has decided that enough is enough.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: It's really sad. I was having a discussion months ago
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: with a guy who, he just was saying a bunch
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: of dumb stuff, but I was saying how domestic violence
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: is the number one form of violence in our communities,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you know, and I've always been adamant about men lacking.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: There are certain men who lack a level of emotional
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: intelligence to where, you know, like you said, when women
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: want to leave or they disagree or whatever, There's this
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: physical element. You know, they resort to this physical and
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: trying to overwhelm and try to beat them. And it's like,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: it's terrible. You know, unfortunately, I know the guy, her father,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the young lady you're talking about, her father, he's someone
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I know from the community, man. He's a good guy too, man.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: And seeing him on the news, it almost brought a
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: tear to my eyes. You know, knowing that this little
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: girl said that she laid by her mother and because
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: she thought she was asleep. He put her in the bed,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and she thought her mother was sleeping, so she laid
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: there all the time until somebody came and she opened
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the door. It's really a sad situation, man. I hate
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the fact that there are males, because I don't even
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: call them men, males that would do that kind of
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: harm to a woman, or do any type of physical
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: harm to a woman based off you know, disagreements with
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: them not wanting to be with you, man. And that's
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: one of the things that we want to do at
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Raising Kings is really focus on emotional intelligence, really focus
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: on how to be able to take rejection, how to
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: be able to take, you know, a situation that you
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: might not like without being able, having or feeling that
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: you need to physically harm somebody. Because a lot of
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: our young boys are not being taught that. They're being taught,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: you know, aggression, right? You know, to meet everything with aggression.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I hate the term toxic masculinity, but it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: actually toxic. You know, and they're being taught that that
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: is some level of esteem when you physically overpower anybody,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: especially a woman who you should be able to physically overpower.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: You know, so, you know, my condolences to her family.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: You know, like I said, I know the father, man.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: You know, I know it's going to be a rough
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: road ahead. It's crazy because one of my friends... literally
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: just DM'd me two days ago saying that one of
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: her friends was being beat by her boyfriend. He beat
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: her bad and she passed away four days later. He
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: had beat her, beat her, and four days later she
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: passed away and he wasn't even charged. They're still trying.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: The mother said that they have videos, they got audio
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: of her talking about how he beat her and this
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and that, and they're still trying to get him charged
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: and the police is trying to tell them that they
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: can't do nothing for them or they don't know what
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to do. So I probably need to connect her with
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Stephanie to see how Stephanie can help her in this process.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Because she literally just DM'd me again a few minutes ago.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And then I think it's someone in Harlem as well.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Terrible. And that would be, you know, a fifth case.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: In the last few weeks, just from the time that
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: we left Martha's Vineyard on August 24th until now, I'm
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: telling you that I have seen her engage in at
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: least four different cases of women being murdered.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Not slapped.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Murdered.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Unalived. And it's, you know, it's a real scary crisis
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: in our community.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: It really is. Really is. So let me jump straight
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to my, I don't get it. You know, there's been
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: this big debate and it's not just, it hasn't just happened,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: but Fat Joe recently was on the Joe Button podcast.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: You know, he was being asked some questions about backlash
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: that he received, you know, and him being a Latino
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: from the Bronx, growing up in Forrest Projects and one
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: of the, you know, the most hip hop, cultural, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: black centered places inside the Bronx. You know, he grew
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: up in hip hop culture and, He uses the word
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: nigga with an A, you know, and a lot of
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: people don't like it. You know, he responded to the
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: backlash by saying, I'm one of the blackest niggas you know.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I've grown up in hip hop. I've been saying this.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And as far as I, as long as I've known Joe,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: he's been utilizing the word nigga. I've grown up in
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the Bronx, you know. And all the Puerto Ricans I know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: that's how we communicate with each other. My best friends
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: have been Puerto Rican. We communicate, nigga. That's just how
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: we communicate. And I realize that there is a lot
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: of backlash from other people, from different states. And what
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I don't get about it, right, is you can't tell
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: someone else what to be offended by. Right. Because I
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: can understand and I tell people all the time, you
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: might have a friend that you and him communicate or
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: you and her communicate a certain way. You know, you
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: woman use the word bitch with each other. That's my
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: business and that and that. And somebody else from the
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: outside might look at the communication that you have with
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: your friend and be like, you know what? She couldn't
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: call me a bitch. But she's not calling you a bitch.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: And if you was having that conversation, you have the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: right to view our communication as a way that you
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: might not be okay with. Something that you might not,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: you know, deem as something that you would do. But
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: you don't get to impose that on somebody else. So
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: what I said was, this is where you get to
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: pick and choose if you're offended. If somebody says the
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: word nigga that I feel has malice, who is not
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: connected to this culture, who I feel that they're using
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it in a derogatory form, to me, then I'm going
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to be offended. I'm going to speak out against it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And I say that to anybody. And if you feel
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: offended that Fat Joe uses the word nigga, then you
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: should say it. And I'm not saying that you have
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: to accept it. I'm just saying in our culture inside
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: of New York, Blacks and Latinos have used that word,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and we've grown up using the word. Since I was
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: in fourth, fifth, and sixth grade, when we first used
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: to start cursing, and we'd say, yo, that's my nigga.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: When we was doing raps, all of our raps had
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: nigga in it. This is how we grew up in
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the culture. And I don't expect everybody else to say it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Then I heard Mark Lamar Hill say that he don't
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: think anybody that's not black should use the word. And
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that feel that way. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying you're wrong for how you feel.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Actually, there are people who don't think anybody.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Should use it.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I've had that conversation.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Many different degrees of debate.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Exactly. What I don't get is why people think what
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: offends them has to offend me. And that's just simple.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I don't have to be offended by what you're offended by.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: And you don't have to be offended by what I'm
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: offended by. And that's just the reality of the situation.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: There are different cultural things in different states, in different countries,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: in different areas, and each one of them are entitled
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: to their own opinions and their own feelings. For me,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: the word nigger in our society with Black and Latinos
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: is something that we all grew up in. We don't
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: take it as, you know, disrespect. And there are terms
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: when they are, right? You can actually tell if you're
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: arguing with a certain Puerto Rican and they say it
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: in a word, you fucking nigga, then that's offense. But
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: if we having a conversation and say, yo, that's my nigga,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: this and that, We don't take that as offense. And
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: we could do that. And I know there are white people.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: We got a white boy in my hood that he
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: be saying the word nigga. He was the only white
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: boy that grew up in the hood. That's how he
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: grew up saying we never took offense because he grew
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: up in our culture. Some other person might see. And
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I tell them, if you walk outside this hood and
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: they catch your ass saying nigga, somebody might body slam you.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? And that's just the reality.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: And those are the things that come with it. So
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I say this, use the word nigga at your own
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: cost and be able to deal with the consequences because
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: everybody's not going to take it the same.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I would say that every single human being is a
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: walking contradiction. Every single human being has areas where they are,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: they contradict other things that they may stand on.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: That's just the reality, right?
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Like you could be a person who does all the
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: right things. You got the right family and you all
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: buttoned up in this place, but then you might be
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: working for a company or building some type of system
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: that's killing people.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Let me give you a case in point.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: I have a family member who said to me, do
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: you want to do an investment with Tesla, right?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: They want to, oh, Cybertruck. They want to do investment
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: for Cybertruck because now there's some type of movement around
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Cybertrucks that people can make money off of. And I
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: ain't trying to learn it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Don't even want to understand it because I would never,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: ever invest my money in anything that has to do
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: with Elon Musk. So I said that I made that
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: statement to my family member. And the response I got
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: back was, well, listen, you know, all these people are
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: racist and all these brands, designers or whatever. And they said,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: but I'm not going to allow my family. you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: all of my political issues and those types of things
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: to stop me from building my empire, right? Now, this
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: is a person who is an incredible family man, who
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: is an incredible leader in the community. They get it
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: right on so many things, so many things.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Wonderful individual.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: That though is something that I would never agree with, never,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: supporting Elon Musk. So you could get it right all
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: these places, but then when it comes to, and this
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: is a very community-minded individual and also somebody who talks
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: about the dangers of some levels of capitalism, like God,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: he has all of that. But when it comes to
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: building his empire, he sees the playing field as fair game, right?
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: And we were kind of going back and forth and
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: then eventually I kind of just stopped the conversation and saying,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: it's okay. Like, I am not going to do it,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: but I'm not about to sit here and make you
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: the worst person in the world and demonize you because
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: this is the one thing that you and I don't
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: agree on, right?
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. And That to me is.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: The best example that I can hold around this issue. Now,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think that Joe should say, I'm the blackest
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: nigga you know, because that in and of itself is
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: like gaslighting people into you not even being able to
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  Speaker 3: understand their perspective, right? And the reason why I think
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: and I know Joe, I mean, we love Joe, right?
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  Speaker 1: I think that you have to have the nuance.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: It's the same thing like Jay saying this stuff about
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Target and, It's when you feel like people are coming
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  Speaker 3: for you.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you respond in ways.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: That when you really go back and think about it,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: it's like, well, that's not really what I was trying
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  Speaker 3: to say. But at the end of the day, the
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: offense has been taken.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: The offense has been taken.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Rashad and the whole situation.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Like Rashad, who I love. And we love Rashad. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: we know what.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: We see Rashad in the streets all the time. And
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, it's hard. People are after us. You know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: we constantly being attacked. It's not easy to do the
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: work that we try to do. So I already knew
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: when Rashad was speaking where his frustration was coming from.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I could see it in his face that is coming
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: from his stomach.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: And we talked to him off, you know, like in
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: the backstage at events and things like that. So we
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: know what it is that he's dealing with and the
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: feeling and, you know, the expression.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: We know. And I know that a lot of times,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: because I've.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Done it, my response to things can actually make it worse, right,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: than the initial debate over whether or not People who
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: are Afro-Latino, people who are Latino, like you said, in
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: New York, our culture is very different.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the same. I grew up in a housing projects
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  Speaker 1: in Harlem.
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  Speaker 3: My floor didn't have anybody on it except Latino families
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  Speaker 3: and Black families. There was nobody else on my whole
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: 12th floor, which has several apartments and the whole building.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that there was one person in my
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: entire building, which was 20 floors high and at least one, two, four, three,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: that's seven and four. So 11 apartments on each floor.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: 24 is high. Okay. I don't think there was one
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  Speaker 1: person in my building who was not black.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: And by the way, Let us remember that Africans, right,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: people from Africa moving to New York, that was not
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: really a thing when I was growing up.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: This is a new phenomenon where you.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: See an entire African community that is, you know, coming into,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: you know, blending in with all of us.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: But it was basically.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Black people, Haitian people, maybe Jamaican, and Latinos. Everybody in
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: the building, especially the young people and the adults.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Use the word.
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  Speaker 3: For the most part, I can't say everybody, but for
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the most part, they use the word. I will say, though,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: that the parents, the parents, the Latino parents, I never heard,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I never went to my babysitter's house or my neighbor's
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: house and heard the older generation using the word nigga
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: in their lexicon.
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  Speaker 2: And when they used it, it was derogatory.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: It was derogatory. It was derogatory. The kids, Joe's age,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: And down, it became the term of endearment, the term to,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: you know, throw around.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Even when they was fighting and they said nigga, it
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't like, die, nigga.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: It was more just like, you know, just back and forth,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: like bitch or whatever else to your point.
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  Speaker 1: But I never heard the lady who made.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Cakes on my floor, Spanish woman. I never heard Latino woman.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I never heard her say, nigga, never. Her husband, none
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: So there is a generational thing. It's definitely geographical.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: And it is also, to your point, understandable why for
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: many people that standard that they have set about the
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: use of the term applies to anybody who is not Black.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: And I think that from Joe's perspective, he has to understand,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: to your point about using, what did you say, your.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Own peril, right?
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: He has to understand that they're not wrong either. And
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Joel's experience is not wrong. But people who see and
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: hear him using the term, they also have.
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  Speaker 1: A right to their feeling.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: And what you have to do is make a decision
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: about where you stand.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: And that's just where you live with it.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Because going back to my family member, when he's got
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: 20 Cybertrucks out here, right? And are we going to
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: say we hate him and he can no longer come
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: to the family barbecue?
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  Speaker 2: No.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: No.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Now, if you tell me you voted for Donald Trump,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I don't fuck with you at all.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: So that's where, see, that's my red line.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got your red line.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I got my red line.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: And it's acceptable. And you made a very good point.
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  Speaker 2: So when Joe says that he's the blackest nigga you know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: it gaslights some people. And he has to understand that.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Because first of all, they're already mad that you're using
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: the word. And now you're doubling down trying to say
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: that you're blacker than black people. And, you know, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: you have to understand that some people are not going
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: to like it. Some of us are going to laugh
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: at it and be like, yo, Joe from the hood,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: and that's funny and all, but there are going to
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: be a lot of people that offend it. So, you know,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: you got to understand, if I don't want to offend people,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: then I got to try to meet them somewhere to where,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: all right, I understand that this offends you, but understand
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: that this is my culture and this is my reality,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: you know, and just find a medium there to where
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: people just get it. And even the ones that don't
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: get it, they don't feel like you're actually trying to
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: disrespect them.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens because, you know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Joe's the kind of guy that I can see him
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: in Marple in my hill and other people sitting down
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: having a conversation. And I do think that there is
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: room for a, you know, every few years, every few years,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the N-word becomes a major conversation in the culture. The
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: NAACP buried the N-word. I mean, I have throughout my career,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: every decade, been involved in a conversation about the use
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: of the N-word.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: So this is just a recycling of.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: The debate on who can and who cannot and.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: What is the use of it and where are we
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: also using a word that attracts a certain attention to
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: us where we've also decided because Roland Martin is anti
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: the use of the word nigga completely 100 percent completely
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: He's against it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: And you and him have had debate back and forth
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: about that. So there is that.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: So, like I said, this is the recycling of something
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: that constantly comes up. And I think it's healthy that
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: a new generation has the opportunity to experience it and
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: decide where they stand on the issue, because people in
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: the culture that they listen to today don't.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Are talking about it.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: The NAACP buried the N-word maybe 15 years ago.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I don't even know the date, but I know it's.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Been years and years and years and years. It was
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: before you and I started working together.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: They had a.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Funeral for it. It was a funeral procession. They did
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. So again, here we are having this conversation.
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  Speaker 3: And again, I think that it is important for young
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: people to hear it, to make decisions on where they
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: stand and to push the culture forward to the next
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: debate in the direction that they see fit.
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  Speaker 2: You said it best. And with that said, we've come
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  Speaker 2: to the end of another episode of the TMI podcast.
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