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Random Heathen Ramblings: S5, EP8 - Healing Our Past Wounds Through Animism (feat Patrick "Deer Whisperer" Walsh) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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beauty of mountain spirit. All right folks, we're back
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again with a returning guest this week.
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As you all may probably know, I've got quite the backlog of of
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guests lined up all the way out into now May.
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I'm still going through and and booking people out that far into
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the future. So thank you to everybody who
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has expressed an interest and emailed me with your
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availability, your topics of of interest.
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It's greatly appreciated and it makes for fun content.
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I think it makes for a good dialogue.
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We get to talk about things that you know, I learn stuff, you
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learn stuff, we all learn stuff, right.
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Everybody learning and that's always fun and good and I
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appreciate all that. So if I haven't gotten to your
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e-mail yet, if you're listening to this and you know there might
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be an e-mail in my inbox that I haven't responded to yet, I will
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get to you. Like for example, I know I've
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got one at the time of this recording that I have yet to
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respond to because it came in over the weekend and I have been
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out of town for. I just got back in today at the
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time of this recording. More on that to come.
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We'll actually be talking a bit about what I mean by that on
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today's episode, which is again going to be featuring a return
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guest, my good friend and brother Patrick Walsh from the
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high Lung mental spiritual support group believe that's how
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we say it. Yeah.
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The High Lung mental slash spiritual support group, it is a
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safe space for all people, all types.
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Obviously the High Lung name would suggest that it is very
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focused on high lung topics. They they've got their North
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American tour coming up where they've added some dates to the
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Red Rock Show or added some dates in addition to the Red
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Rock Show coming up later this year.
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And then after after that it has been announced that they are not
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coming back to the United States to tour as they put it for the
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foreseeable future. Now I can only hope right, that
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that means that they are taking some much deserved time off and
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maybe focusing on writing new material kind of makes sense to
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do. You don't want to tour on the
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same stuff all the time. And they I think are probably
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due for some new songs, some new, some new rituals, right?
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So that's exciting. We got that to look forward to.
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But if you are wanting to see how long here in the United
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States they are, there are limited dates, limited tickets
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now I'm sure as you probably know their popularity.
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You know, tickets sell out quick.
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Some places probably have already sold out, at least by
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now. So check out them out.
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Check them out on Facebook or on their on their website.
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I think it's amplified history.com to see what's left
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and where you might be able to to go.
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Yeah, Patrick's going to be coming on here, but he's the
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admin, he's the founder of the, you know, the Highland mental
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and spiritual support group. So it is a safe space for all
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types of people with the focus being on mental health,
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spiritual health and and the awareness of those types of
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things. You know, So what we wanted to
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do today is talk about some things that are relatively close
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to to him. And I, you know, we want to talk
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about things up around animism and land connectivity and how
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these types of things can be instruments or tools to help us
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heal from past wounds. All right.
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So this is going to be one of those types of episodes.
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We're going to be talking about some things.
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And I'm sure for a lot of us out here listening and watching
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today hits very close to home. So I'm anxious to hear your
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thoughts on the topic. There will be AQ and A or not AQ
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and A, but they'll be like A. Yeah, like AQ and A.
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For those of you listening on Spotify at the end of this
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episode or I, or on this episode, I should say it won't
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appear at the end. It'll just be there.
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When you're listening. You can go pull it up on your
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app and tap on the Q&A banner. And.
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But for those of you watching here on Patreon, feel free to
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drop a comment down below with ways that you find to help heal
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your past wounds or wounds that you've received from things that
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have happened in the past. You know, I'm not sure how
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visceral we're going to get today.
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You know, we might, we might be talking on some topics that
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could be, you know, fair warning, trigger warning type of
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deal. Not sure yet.
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But I know with Patrick's past, he's he's very candid when it
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comes to talking about things that are pertaining to his past,
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you know, and and so that might be something that you know, for
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you listeners or watchers to hear viewers that are, you know,
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when it comes to like drug abuse or stuff like that, you know, if
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it's a trigger for you, just fair warning that may come up on
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this episode. But yeah, we wanted to talk
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about how animistic practices and connecting to the land can
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help us work through that healing process.
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He is very active with his land connectivity practices in his
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area. I, of course am very active with
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mine. Again that topic, what I
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mentioned earlier about why I was out of town all weekend,
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well I wouldn't say all weekend but while while I was out of
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town all day and not responding to emails, more on that to come
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and it's about that sort of thing the the animism and and
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land connectivity and all that. So I do want to real quick
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before we get into the show, give a very special thanks and
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shout out to all of my patrons here on Patreon, you guys and
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It's much better for me to do it this way than it is to put it
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here wanting to do that. So to all of my Carl and above
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tier patrons, thank you so very much.
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And thank you to Taylor who is an A seer tier patron for coming
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on to the first one-on-one chat slash discussion on the third
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Thursday of every month. So last week's once a month kind
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of touch base. Taylor is is an A seer tier
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patron. So in addition to getting those
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patrons on Patreon the a seer tier get I think merchandise
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shipped to them four times a year.
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So anyway, thank you all so much for that.
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Be sure to check the link tree link in the description and show
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notes of this podcast for all of my stuff including Patreon.
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But all of the social links, my merchandise, all of the ways
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that you can support this podcast and what I do with
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Midgard musings. All the links are down there so
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be sure to check it out. And also check out Patrick's
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Facebook group, the High Lung Mental Spiritual Support Group
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on Facebook if that's your jam. So without further ado, let's
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welcome Patrick into the show. He is my good friend, my good
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brother, and always here at pinch anytime I need him.
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Barring major circumstances. He's always eager to get on the
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show and and rap with me for a bit.
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So thank you Patrick. Thank you all for listening and
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watching today. Let's get into this topic of
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healing our past wounds through animism and land connectivity.
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All right folks, we are joined back with my good friend and
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brother Patrick Walsh who I mentioned earlier is a return
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guest to the podcast. Almost as if it's like a Co host
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in a way. Like you're you're so quick to
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be available man and I appreciate that about you just
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being willing and wanting to you know be on here and and talk
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about things. And I, as I mentioned before,
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Patrick does admin the High Lung Mental Spiritual support group
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on Facebook. Do be sure to check out his
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group. It's a safe space.
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Yes, it's Highland focus, but it's a safe space to kind of,
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you know, talk about things of a mental and spiritual health
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nature, right? Absolutely.
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You know, just to deal with the day-to-day cry, but also
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important things to not supper alone.
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Yeah. Sometimes we need the company
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you know to be supported, you know.
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Absolutely. And that's so much of what it
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is. It's it's it's a safe space of
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people to, even if it's not Highland related, like there's
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so much out there that gets shared in the group that I'm,
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you know, because I'm in there too.
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And I see all the posts that come through, and it could be a
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funny meme or just something that makes somebody's day.
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You know what I. Mean something you need to hear
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at the right time at the right. Place.
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Yeah, that's something. Very special.
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Yeah. So you're doing good stuff, man.
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And we appreciate what you do there in that capacity.
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Yeah. Welcome, welcome back.
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Happy to be back. I'm always jumping at the
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opportunity. You said this like, Oh yes,
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let's fucking do it. Let's make this happen.
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No it it it worked out. Meet up a podcast.
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It worked out perfect, didn't it?
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Just kind of the topic. The God's work, you know, just
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has the Great Spirit works, too, in wondrous ways.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I mean, like I was
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always all ready and prepared to go into because I had, you know,
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just for everybody listening and watching, like as I mentioned
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earlier before you came on, Patrick, but I was like, I've
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got people booked out all the way into May at this point on
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the show, right? So when we book our guests,
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we've got topics that the guests write in about and want to talk
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about. And this was an e-mail that I
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had gotten last year and we're getting around to my, my, my, my
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potential guest for this week, which wasn't you originally.
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It became you because we had a cancellation that we're going to
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have to reschedule for. But the topic I felt was good
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enough to keep on the schedule and to my guest that's going to
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be coming on later on. This is not a slight where we'll
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we'll revisit this plus the other things that they had wrote
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in about. So for all you listeners
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watchers, right, like this isn't something that we're just tying
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off and putting into the archives.
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We'll we'll we'll probably be coming back to this later on at
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a future time amongst other things.
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But the fact is is I thought who else could I invite on the show
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to talk about you know healing our wounds from the past through
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animism and land connectivity. Who else would be a prime guest
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to have on the show but Patrick, because we connect in this sort
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of way? I know you do specifically, but
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like we have a shared connectivity with this topic,
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don't we? Absolutely, we do.
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I couldn't couldn't be more grateful for such an
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opportunity. To Yeah.
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And I thought, you know, you with all the experiences that
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you have with, you know, 'cause it kind of ties back to the
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whole like what you do with the Highland Group.
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It's it's focused on mental health, spiritual well-being.
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And a lot of the, I think and and maybe if you want to talk a
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little bit about it, but I think a lot of what people experience
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with their, you know, mental illness, spiritual strifes and
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and the things that kind of are not physical ailments, right,
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not physical illnesses, but psychological, mental.
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So much of what those things are are due to wounds that we've
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accumulated in the past. Would you say that's?
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Absolutely. It's all interconnected, just
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like anytime you get a sinus headache.
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It's not just your head, it's your nose, it's your ears, it's
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your mouth. It's all connected.
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It's just anytime you're stressed out, you're not just
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stressed out. Your body feels the two.
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And that's where we need to seek the opportunity to find a
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remedy, a solution, be it contemporary or indefinite.
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It's something we need to seek when we have something laid
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before us like that. When you say contemporary, do
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you mean like like modern? Maybe a quick fix, maybe
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something that you know, yeah, like a medicine or something
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that could give you the push or the the stepping stone to get
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yourself in the right direction to point towards where you need
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to go to. Yeah, because I think that's
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important, right. I mean obviously with what we're
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talking about today, you know we're we're probably going to
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learn more into the be animistic and and land connectivity parts
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of how we leverage that towards our healing.
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But it's not to take away from what is available through modern
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medicine. I mean, I personally feel like a
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lot of what modern medicine has to offer with, you know,
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pharmaceuticals do more harm than good, but I don't think
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that they are like 100% bad all the time.
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I think no. They're not.
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Necessary in value to it, right? Like, there's things about it
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that can definitely help. And that path goes into very
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sacred medicine as well, too, is to each their own.
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Some people take the pharmaceuticals and do wonderful
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or the person they're meant to be.
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But all the same, I'm not that breed, but I'm a breed who I
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went down that path to. I went down the road to
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pharmaceuticals. And ironically enough, it wasn't
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until I had a very, not so savory part of my past that I
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was addicted to opiates. I won't mention that something
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specifically, just to avoid any triggers.
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Anyone who's potentially watching right now or who is
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watching. But like, you know, it wasn't
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until then I caught myself the most vulnerable period of my
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life. Then I'm like, OK, well I
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separate ties with some things that I was taking and I was
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taking substance to get myself winning from the said addictive
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substance. So when I cut off ties from that
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said substance and also my fart cynicals afterwards, I heard
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nothing but high praises from my family on my dear friends, but
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also more importantly myself. I was actually enabled and
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provide the opportunity to be happy, to feel the emotions,
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being sad, happy, upset or what have you, just be alive and to
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feel the feels and embrace those feelings.
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And that's a very hard thing to adjust to, especially anyone who
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just lives day-to-day or just coming up with substance or
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whatever situation is feeling the feelings is very difficult
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sometimes. Do you think that some of the
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ways that the, like modern medicine or the, you know,
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pharmaceutical lab created drugs and all that, do you think that
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those substances can also inhibit us from, like you say,
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feeling the feelings? Absolutely no doubt about it.
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It almost. It's almost like a lot of what
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they do is desensitize us and separate us from what we
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actually need to heal. It's like it's blocking out
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everything, the good and the bad.
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It's no coincidence at all. It's no coincidence at all.
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But certain substance are more available than others.
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I won't dive into that topic, particularly right now, but you
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know what I mean, You know. Well, we know.
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I mean, we're all. Adults like you know exactly
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right and that's to say twitch their own If you ain't ingest
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any substance at all, it's very important to bear in mind what
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you're walking into, what you hope to expect and how it's
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going to affect you afterwards. Now a lot of the world today
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don't really do that due process just needed to appreciate what
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we're doing and and at the same time I have to catch myself and
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like well Patrick, you're not always following by those rules.
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And I'll say that right now I'm not.
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It's a work in progress and that's something that used to be
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very aggravating saying those words.
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But recently, it's a few other lessons too.
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Is like, you know, what? If you have the chance to see
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that? Don't just see it.
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Observe it, understand it, and know where to go from there.
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Or at least entertain the ideas to do so.
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Interesting. Yeah.
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I think a lot of times when we talk about the past and and you
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know, wounds from the past, I mean, you could say, well, like
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physical wounds, right? Like I had an accident, you
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know, and now my, my, my leg's messed up or my back's messed up
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or my neck or my shoulder or whatever, right.
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Stuff like that. And that's a literal physical
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wound that you know, you have to like go through rehabilitation
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for to strengthen that area or maybe chiropractic methods or
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other sorts of medicine right to kind of strengthen or heal that
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area. And then we also get into right,
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like the the psychological wounds or the mental wounds or
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the spiritual wounds, things that have happened to us that we
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don't bear those wounds on our skin, on our flesh.
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It's not something that you could look at somebody and tell
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that's a wounded person, you know, you know and then and but
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how much of what we do on a day-to-day basis is is
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externalizing those wounds, right.
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How we talk to people, how we behave, the habits that we you
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know maybe indulge in or or participate in, right.
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How much of that type of behavior is a reflection on the
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wound that we're trying to heal? And it takes a great deal of
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courage and effort to even acknowledge those harsh truths
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and realizations, be it our past or our current situation, or
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maybe in the future, or what we could be leading ourselves into
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the future if it don't take necessary steps to.
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Accommodate that situation and to be our best selves.
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Do you think that the the the folks that have had like, do you
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think that physical wounds, right, whether it's through an
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accident or through other means, right?
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Do you think that cause 'cause kind of what's on the line of
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the topic right? Is, is healing the wounds of the
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past through such things as animistic practices and land
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connectivity? Do you think that there's any
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merit to adopting or exploring those practices?
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To feel the physical. To heal the physical.
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Like, do you think necessary? It's required.
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In my personal opinion, especially being on the path
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that you and I share, and I'm assuming a vast majority of us
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who's watching this, absolutely. It's very necessary and required
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sometimes to put ourselves in the element that which we came
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from, Mother yard, our earth, our sacred planet, that we dwell
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to really separate ourselves from the day-to-day crime, the
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day-to-day. Hogwash.
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I'm trying to not the curse too much here.
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But you're fine. Go for it.
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I'm not on YouTube. All the day-to-day.
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Family, family, friendly. But hey, guess what?
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There's families that are, you know, it's real life.
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So like, I don't care. The real deal?
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Shit. Yeah.
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So that said, thank you. So with that said, separate air
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salts in the day-to-day bullshit.
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And a lot of it may not be bullshit, but more than not, in
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my connections and dealings with the world, a lot of it is
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bullshit, but also ties into this.
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Tonight's topic is healing the wounds of the past.
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And again, I want to die too much in this topic just yet.
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But we're getting to that point, you know?
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It's important to notify that and to be aware of that.
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Right, because you. I mean, you can't.
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You can't fix, you can't work towards fixing.
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You can't heal something that you don't realize needs healing.
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Or understand. Yeah, I mean, you might think
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that there's a problem where you might know like, oh, something's
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broken, something's wrong. But until you've, I guess, I
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don't know, triaged it and figured out what it actually is
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exactly. You might be you might be
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fixing, you know, your back might be hurting because, or
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your neck might be hurting because it's your back.
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But if all you're focusing on is your neck and not your back,
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well, you're the problem, right? Yeah, it's like putting out my,
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my mom used to say. It's like putting a Band-Aid
23:01
over a jugular wound. Like you'll stop it for a
23:04
moment, but ultimately. Yeah, you're not.
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There's bigger problems at hand, you know.
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But it's also very good point you mentioned too is you know
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you may be facing something very daunting and very challenging.
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You can offer a quick fix whether it be a substance that's
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approved by society or substances more needs more
23:26
attention and more focus on. But all the same though you can
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experience those substances the best that you can and have a
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great experience but kind of ties into, if you don't mind
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mentioning fire the mountain. It's like, you know, we came in
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there with our our adversities, our struggles.
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We are hanging from our own trees and learning our lessons
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and seeking what's laid before us now.
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Those lessons, those points, those things to remember and to
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apply, are given to us and us alone.
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It's our duty, our job to carry that energy afterwards.
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It's cool. It's wonderful to have that
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experience during that time, absolutely.
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And that can carry us very far. Also doing ourselves an
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injustice and forgetting it. It's just like karate, for
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example. Yeah, you could practice karate,
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could be a black belt, get to that point.
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But then you stop practicing and then all of a sudden you're not
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quite what you used to be. You haven't applied those
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lessons you learn leading up to that point.
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It's something you need to. It's a daily practice, Yeah.
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And sometimes you need to make it a weekly.
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Yeah, exactly. It's lifestyle.
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So sometimes we catch ourselves being into virtually started as
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a daily practice and then a weekly practice and then a
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monthly practice and then like myself for example, I put myself
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in that position. I'm like man, I'm out of touch
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instead of being being too lost in that thought.
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It's just anything we're talking about is seizing any misgivings
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or any this sort of setting your hardship to be like, all right,
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this is an opportunity. Yeah, this is something for me,
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like, oh, wow, wait a second, Patrick, hold up, time out, time
25:32
out. You had this amazing experience
25:34
at Red Rocks or you had this amazing experience of chest for
25:37
the virtual, or you had this amazing experience at Far on the
25:39
mountain. You have these tools, you have
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these energies, you have these capabilities, you utilize it.
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And that can be said for a lot of us, it's just our duty to do
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so, to acknowledge those things. Yeah, that's a good point.
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I think a lot of us get caught up in the romance of the moment
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because we're it's new, it's fresh, it's oh wow, you know,
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And we can't help but to put everything we've got of
26:07
ourselves into the moment. And then when we leave the
26:12
moment and we return to our day-to-day bullshit, the grind.
26:17
Whatever. Exactly.
26:19
How easy is it for us to separate ourselves from that
26:23
moment? Because we saw it only as a
26:28
moment instead of as a lesson for the process, for a
26:31
continuation of our life. It's like, don't just do that
26:36
thing in that moment and it be done forever.
26:39
Like carry what you learned in that moment, that the
26:43
experience, the lessons, everything forward with you.
26:48
Because if it benefited you in the moment so profoundly that
26:52
you were that ecstatic about it, how could it not then improve
26:57
and benefit you for the long term going forward in, in, in
27:02
whatever it is that you do, you know?
27:05
And and sometimes what it takes, though, is to get lost in set
27:10
moment. In set circumstance.
27:12
Sure. Oh man.
27:14
Oh shit. Whoops, got a little off the
27:18
trail there, but again. Yeah.
27:22
Sometimes you got to lose, sometimes you do.
27:24
You have to. Sometimes you have to lose
27:26
yourself on the trail before you find the trail, obviously.
27:34
I mean if you're if you're just going through the motions and
27:38
you're like trucking along kind of.
27:41
I'll use an example, right? Because this past weekend I took
27:46
off on a on a solo journey of sorts.
27:51
I alluded to this in the intro before you came on.
27:54
Reason why I wasn't like responding to emails and talking
27:57
to people and this and that. And you know, it's a trail, 5
28:01
1/2 mile long trail to get to where I needed to go.
28:03
And then same thing to get back out.
28:07
And you know, new land, new territory, new new space.
28:12
And yeah, sure, the trails may be marked, but if you're not
28:15
paying attention and if all you're doing is just kind of
28:17
cruising along on autopilot, you might find yourself off trail.
28:20
And then what do you got to do? Well, it's time to get myself
28:25
back on track here. Otherwise, I could be just going
28:27
off into wherever, you know, and that's OK to do, you know, like
28:33
if you're talking like metaphysically or or or not
28:35
literally on a trail. But like we find ourselves kind
28:39
of straying off a bit on off the beaten path.
28:41
It's OK to go exploring. It's OK to see what's out there,
28:44
but don't forget your way back home.
28:48
Like don't forget the path that you are on because of all you're
28:52
doing is just going all kamikaze like.
28:56
Yeah. No, no direction.
28:57
Blind, you know, just blind side to side.
29:00
Now we'll do it, yeah. Yeah, then what do we do?
29:02
But also, but also this topic to always where you came from.
29:08
You might have come from a very fucked up situation.
29:14
Now with myself it's kind of funny to say this too.
29:17
I'm not making this too about myself, but also respectfully so
29:21
is. Being bored, I am.
29:24
Yeah, exactly. You mean, you know, being bored
29:26
the way I am. It's hard because I try my best
29:34
to not let it defy me. But also at the same time, I
29:40
don't know. It's like, there's my inner
29:41
spirit. My inner self is like, well,
29:45
yeah, don't let defy myself. But also, I am myself.
29:52
I am my experience. I am my upbringing.
29:56
I am my my great strengths and my horrible weaknesses.
30:02
It's just something that you have to appreciate, for better
30:06
or for worse. And hopefully if this your worst
30:12
of times when you were brought up, you stand up beside
30:15
yourself. Now you know what?
30:17
I got past that shit. I got past that and the
30:21
remarkable Man 1. Whatever title you choose to
30:24
carry, you're a better person because of that.
30:28
And that's what they know. Even if you are a better person
30:31
today, tomorrow gives you a new focus, a new chance and also new
30:39
opportunity, a new challenge. Yeah.
30:43
Well, I think it's a great point that you make, right?
30:45
Because I think a lot of folks might might find some like they
30:54
they might, they might find themselves relating to your
30:57
situation because they too, and they have something that they
31:01
didn't do themselves, right. They were born a certain way.
31:06
They were like that was the card that was dealt to them.
31:11
So it wasn't anything that they consciously did.
31:13
And over the years, over life, you know, because of misinformed
31:20
people or or whatever, right. It gets looked as it gets looked
31:24
at as a a wound right, a handicap, A handicap right.
31:31
You can't do this because of that.
31:33
You know you understand and man like it's one of the reasons why
31:38
I I think we are how like we've connected the way we've
31:43
connected is is I've seen you get past that quote UN quote
31:47
stigma and you've kind of breach the gap and in a way you've
31:52
closed the gap you know you you've breached the stereotype
31:56
you go well So what if this is how I look or this is what I've
32:00
got look what I can do despite it.
32:04
You know what I mean You've you've met the thing that you've
32:07
been given and you've been like well it's not going to it's not
32:10
going to prevent me from partaking in firing.
32:13
It's not going to it's not going to prevent me from doing the
32:16
things with my brothers that you know we're all charged to do.
32:19
You know what I'm saying? Like you you take care of
32:22
yourself to that point of realizing like what your
32:25
boundaries are and and we all you know it's respected.
32:28
But at the same time you're also not like using the situation as
32:31
like a cop out. As to why I can't that that's
32:35
pretty that's that's strength. I think you know, like to to
32:38
know your boundaries, respect boundaries, but also to not use
32:42
something as a reason why I can't.
32:45
Well, what is the reason? How I can, how can I figure this
32:49
out? You know what I mean?
32:51
And digging deep and getting close to that primal energy, as
32:55
I mentioned before, you know Mother Yurt, right?
32:58
The land connectivity, this, this primal energy that has
33:02
always been here that we are a part of that we draw from, we
33:07
come from it. This is not just we're not just
33:12
flies on a wall. I mean, we're not part of it.
33:16
We're not part of. It we are of.
33:18
It we are it exactly, yeah. Yeah, It's just not something
33:21
like, you know, the sun or the moon.
33:24
This is our substance, this is our our very being.
33:30
And you know this also something to be worthy of mentioning too,
33:34
is we lose that connection. And that's why I'm very happy
33:38
that you and I and many others, we take time as often as we can
33:43
to get out into nature, our territory, our home originally.
33:49
And that kind of ties into, you know, the child.
33:52
Tonight, I chose my name as Patrick the Deer Whisperer.
33:56
You know, it wasn't until, you know, again, I hope I'm not
33:59
going too off topic, but, you know, basically just, you know,
34:03
the deer. Like when I I've been going to
34:06
the spot, a lot of my friends know who are watching this.
34:10
I call it Deer Valley now, but I also arrive at Run Park.
34:14
So I've been visiting this place for over 10 years easily.
34:19
But it wasn't until recently, like very recently, like
34:23
2021-2022. They actually really started to
34:30
fully understand and appreciate what this place had to offer.
34:35
It's not just a place to hike or walk around.
34:38
Any time I go there, it's with a sense of purpose, a mission, I
34:44
guess, to. It was the simplest.
34:47
I just got off work. I just deal with so much right
34:51
now I need to escape, and I didn't escape this, but I need
34:54
to take a break. Because truly, you really can't
34:57
escape anything that you're dealing with.
34:59
You could take a break and that's respected, but ultimately
35:02
you have to face that problem. You have to face that struggle
35:07
and all we can do in the meantime and leading up to that
35:11
moment is to prepare ourselves, be mindful and aware and where
35:19
we're at, like you, you have your special river, You have
35:23
your sacred places. I have my sacred places.
35:25
My pie spot, for example. It got damaged not too long ago
35:29
and I shared with you that very day.
35:31
I'm like, oh man, look at this bullshit.
35:33
And then, but I told you that very day.
35:36
I'm like, yeah, man, I'm not that pissed off, 'cause I saw
35:40
that again. This is kind of a thing that's
35:42
reoccurring in my life. My life right now is like
35:46
seizing hardships as an opportunity.
35:49
And in doing so, when I capture those most and not all the time,
35:53
there are times, even now, where I'm faced with something messed
35:57
up. I'm like, oh, I'll get carried
35:59
away in the moment, But also when you have the time to
36:02
appreciate as it, your circle's an opportunity.
36:07
It's so, so beneficial, you know, like there's one night.
36:13
Another example is my dad was upset about something and I
36:20
could have been carried away by that.
36:22
But I'm like, no, my dad is a man.
36:25
He's a human being. He has things he's dealing with
36:28
at the moment. He's taking courage.
36:31
He's taking time out of his day to express his concerns.
36:33
Now what's so easy to get carried away?
36:36
In that moment? I was very proud of myself
36:39
thinking, all right, well, I'm upset, but I'm not mad.
36:45
He's a human being just like everybody else.
36:47
We're all feeling the feelings that we're feeling.
36:50
To seize an opportunity like that, it's remarkable.
36:53
It's so beneficial just to be oh man.
36:57
So when you afterwards, I'm like, man, I feel fucking
37:00
fantastic. It's crazy to say that after all
37:03
of messed up time like man, man, he's right.
37:05
He raised some very good points. I need to work on this.
37:08
I need to do this or that. The other you know.
37:10
But just again, it all lies in opportunities in season Now,
37:14
when we can, if that can be all the time, though, it can't be
37:19
sometimes when their ass is kicked.
37:21
Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean?
37:23
Like, I I've. I think that part of the process
37:26
of healing sometimes involves ripping the Band-Aid off, which
37:33
sucks in the moment, you know, or, or just digging into that
37:38
wound and ripping out the infection through force like
37:42
they're like, you say not. It's not every time.
37:45
It's not for all circumstances, but there are times when it's
37:50
like, all right, it's time to face the nitty gritty, ugly
37:55
parts of things in order to get the healing that's needed.
38:00
And that can happen through such animistic practices as, you
38:04
know, drumming as as you know, plant medicine as as just being
38:11
present in nature and, you know, being receptive to what's alive,
38:19
who is alive around us. Not just like you we mentioned
38:23
before not just being a part of it but being it's being you know
38:27
we're we're not just here observing we're we're part being
38:32
participation you know participatory and finding our
38:38
place there. You know what I mean?
38:39
Like we don't belong everywhere. We don't not everything is going
38:43
to be an you know a profound moment.
38:45
It's it's we don't. It's because we're in a moment
38:48
doesn't mean we belong in the moment, but.
38:52
If all it's OK to. Purpose then we know the
38:56
direction that we're that we're going to be leading in you know.
38:58
And while it's OK to sometimes take the position of just
39:02
spectating, seeing things where they are and not getting
39:06
involved, that's fine. That's well and good.
39:09
I do that a lot of times. But sometimes you have to put
39:13
yourself in that spot. Like, all right, well, this can
39:16
be uncomfortable, just like the cold plunges that we did.
39:21
Yeah, the 1st. I'm like, Oh my God, this is
39:23
horrible. This is terrible.
39:24
But then shortly after that, I always messed you afterwards.
39:28
Like Jesse, Dude, that was amazing.
39:31
That was badass. I feel happy.
39:33
I feel oblivted. I feel energized, like it serves
39:36
a purpose. And that's like the mentality we
39:40
need to carry as often as we can provide us such.
39:43
We seek the aptunities and understand those situations is
39:47
like, all right, well that was fucked up, but here we are
39:52
making the best fit. We didn't die.
39:55
You know. What?
39:56
I mean, like we didn't die. Yeah, it sucks in the moment.
39:58
Sure, it's uncomfortable, right? But isn't that so much of what
40:04
healing is about? Right?
40:05
It sucks. It sucks sometimes.
40:09
Well, I guess it's going to suck then.
40:11
Time to time to time to buckle up then.
40:14
Because, I mean, do you want it? Do you want to be healed or not?
40:17
Do you want to get better or not?
40:18
Do you want it? Do you want to?
40:20
Right. Do you want to stop?
40:23
Do you want it to stop the feelings that you're feeling,
40:26
the the the, the, the things that you're going through, do
40:28
you want it to be over or do, or at the very least, do you want
40:31
it? Maybe, maybe it's not going to
40:32
be over. But do you at least want to have
40:35
the capabilities of managing it better than what you have up to
40:40
this point? Because, I mean, I don't want
40:42
to. I don't want us to like, sit
40:44
over here and be like, oh, as long as you're like connecting
40:46
to nature and doing atomistic stuff, then all your wounds and
40:49
all your past traumas are going to be, they're going to go away.
40:52
Like, no, that's not what we're talking about.
40:54
But what is what, you know, part of healing is, is therapy.
41:00
You know what I mean? It's it's it's going through
41:03
things to get better at dealing with the problem that at hand,
41:08
right? And a lot of it has to be
41:11
uncomfortable. Yeah.
41:13
'Cause it's only in those set variable a couple of times
41:18
afterwards when we come to appreciate that, right?
41:21
Oh wow, feeling good. It's just 100 times better.
41:25
I'm like, wow, wow. I just like after a hard day's
41:27
work or, you know, just after a hard hike you didn't want to
41:31
make and you didn't anyways or anything.
41:33
As simple as that. That's a really great example.
41:36
You know, just putting yourself in a hardship and then being
41:39
like, man, I'm glad I did that. I'm glad I took the time out to
41:43
do so. Yeah.
41:44
And what happens when you know the the bad days come or the
41:48
rough times happen and you've done, we've done.
41:54
I keep saying you I don't mean like you directly.
41:56
Yeah, I know, but they understand that.
41:57
Yeah, yeah. Like the generalized you or
42:00
whatever, right. What happens when all of the
42:02
things that we've done, you know, OK, so we've had some bad
42:06
days and then one of the ways that we go and and deal with
42:10
that or maybe we're having something that triggers a past
42:14
trauma or wound gets aggravated from the past, right.
42:18
One of the ways that we deal with it is to like you say, you
42:22
know go out to nature. Well, what happens if the thing
42:27
that caused the wound gets triggered and it comes back up
42:31
and we don't have the capabilities of right then and
42:34
there running away, going out into nature and and experiencing
42:38
that. What do we do in those cases,
42:41
you know? Find the courage.
42:44
Just find the courage and the opportunity.
42:47
Right. Which happens from what, You
42:49
know, it happens from all the other times that we've been able
42:52
to do it. We've gone out there, we've
42:55
experienced these things and we've been nurtured and we've
42:57
been given the medicine that we need.
43:00
And then so that way when it happens again, Oh yeah, sure, it
43:03
sucks, but it doesn't hurt so bad anymore.
43:06
It doesn't like I'm going through it, but I'm also going
43:09
through it with the tools and with everything, with the
43:13
medicine that I need to be able to overcome this or get through
43:17
this flare up or whatever you want to call it.
43:20
You know what I mean? Like, sure, it doesn't go away
43:22
100%, but when those aggravations come back up, those
43:26
flare ups come back. We've been equipped to manage it
43:31
in a much healthier way. Instead of going for.
43:33
That absences and going to other things that can ultimately
43:37
destroy us, right. I just think that that's an
43:42
important aspect of it too is, you know, because you know, I'm
43:46
sure we're going to have some folks listening and watching to
43:49
this who are not in an area that they feel is like nature so
43:55
accessible, right. It it's great to hear people
43:58
talk about, oh, I can go to these pine trees or or just they
44:01
can go to the river or the mountains or the creeks or the
44:05
ocean or any of these other sort of like wild nature as you know.
44:10
Places space is what you make of it.
44:12
Yeah, it could be as simple as like a mini all three you have
44:16
in your room, your closet, or whatever space you have
44:19
available, you make that space your own.
44:23
Yeah, that piece of nature, right?
44:26
It may not be as you may not be living in the mountains or by a
44:30
river or whatever. And so you know, you might hear
44:34
some of what, like Patrick and I are talking about and go, well,
44:37
damn, you know, I'm. I'm an hour away from anything
44:40
remotely resembling that. I can't just get in my car when
44:43
I'm feeling shitty and, you know, do that.
44:46
Well, what can you do right? Can you bring nature to your
44:49
home? Can you have an herb garden?
44:51
Can you have peace lilies and orchid things that don't take a
44:56
whole lot of maintenance to keep up, but it's still a part of
44:58
nature. It's that connection to nature
45:01
that you can be a part of right tending.
45:05
To the plant. Or or the garden.
45:07
Even plan a special day. Do you have off work?
45:11
Like you know what I'm off Tuesday this week.
45:14
I'm gonna. I've set aside all plans I have
45:17
to compensate, but also give yourself the opportunity to
45:23
catch up the way you see you need to catch up.
45:27
That's a good point. Find yourself.
45:29
It doesn't have to be a weekly thing if you don't have the
45:32
accommodation to do so, but the very effect you're making an
45:35
effort to do so says something about you again.
45:39
If you don't have that secret space just off that you want
45:43
either this is like once a month or once hopefully not once a
45:47
year because that sounds very debilitating.
45:48
But it's just, I'm just saying just not a race protest.
45:57
You see me go to my pine spot. So for example, all those all
46:01
you who are watching my pine spot, it takes me about 25
46:05
minutes to get there from my house and over time it becomes
46:11
more like 15 minutes, but ultimately it's 25 but it feels
46:14
like 15 but some days it feels like 40 minutes like traffic,
46:17
What the hell is going on? But just all the same though
46:22
places too I'd like to visit like tomorrow I want to go to is
46:25
a place that takes like 40 minutes to go to.
46:28
It kind of ties into your energy at the moment.
46:31
Sometimes you have to put yourself in message, which like,
46:34
hey, I got time off today, but I'm just not feeling it right
46:37
now. Go against that grain.
46:41
Go against that thought. Because I I assure you more
46:44
often than not, you feel like you don't want to do it
46:47
afterwards. Like, wow, wow, wow, wow.
46:51
Patrick or Jesse was right, or my inner self was right.
46:53
You know, whatever inspiration you're gathering the energy to
46:56
do. So like, wow, I'm glad to
46:58
fucking do that. Trust me, it's worth the effort.
47:01
It's worth the time to do so. But again, we're all human.
47:04
We all make mistakes. We all have plans that go still
47:09
accord to our desire, but you know, make the best of it.
47:12
Do what you can. Yeah, yeah, you got to, I mean
47:17
you got to be flexible. And I think if you're if you're
47:21
of a mind and you know that it's good for you, you know that what
47:29
the effort that you put into it is going to benefit you, then
47:33
you're not going to make excuses to not do it, right.
47:37
I mean, it's like, well, if I know it's going to be good for
47:41
me to, you know, not drink so much because it's detriment,
47:47
It's a detriment to my health or I'm just using that as an
47:49
example or whatever, right? Of course.
47:51
Yeah, and it would be stupid if you did the opposite of that,
47:57
right? Right.
47:58
So sure, it may take some practice, it may take some work
48:01
to get into that habit of, well, I need to cut back or I need to
48:05
stop or whatever, right? But at least take the step,
48:08
right? Start with, start with small
48:10
steps, right? OK, well, if I can only get out
48:12
here once a week or once every two weeks, hey, at least that's
48:15
more than what I was doing before.
48:17
Exactly. And then that sets up, that
48:20
sets. First of all, it sets a tone for
48:22
yourself, I think as well, because then you're going to
48:26
have gone and done this thing with the purpose in mind, to be
48:30
expecting something to to be healed of, of, of an issue or or
48:34
or to experience a thing. And if you go into it with
48:39
purpose, then it's bound to. You're bound to have results.
48:45
And also really important to mention though, progress is not
48:51
a race. Yeah.
48:55
It's on your own terms, right? You can only be the judge in
48:59
that regard. It's unfair to compare, you
49:03
know, like I have plenty of people in my life who are doing
49:05
wonderful and what they're doing, and in my past I was very
49:10
bitter about them. Oh, this person married.
49:12
Oh, this person has kids. Fuck that shit your life.
49:18
Your. Terms your conditions.
49:21
You decide what's going to come with that, No one else.
49:25
Your hardships be, be they what they are.
49:30
We are responsible on how we react and decide to go from
49:35
there. But again, sometimes I hate
49:39
saying those words 'cause I'm like, well, Patrick, practice
49:42
let you preach, you know? But the same time, my own
49:46
progress when I can and how I can.
49:50
Yeah, but you know, you know the business, right?
49:51
Like, you know the deal, right? You know, it's fine to say it,
49:54
but you're also living it. Who cares if you're not on 100
49:58
percent, 100% of the time? Nobody is, you know.
50:00
Not every day is going to be 1/2 percent.
50:02
Not every day will be 1/2 percent.
50:04
Yeah. And it's important to note that
50:06
too, because when you're trying to make progress, it's important
50:09
to bear that mentality. I'm like, OK, I'm not living
50:12
Jesse's life. I'm not living my dad's life.
50:15
I'm not living my mom's life. I'm living.
50:20
Patrick's life. My life?
50:22
Exactly. Take a breath every now and
50:24
you're like, OK, oh gosh, relax. It's the moment for a reason.
50:33
Just go with the flow. Same with the flow.
50:37
I'm going to take a break here in a couple seconds, you know?
50:39
Yeah, but. We'll go ahead and we'll take a
50:43
quick break. I'll, I'll put something up here
50:46
for the listeners and the viewers to just kind of be be
50:50
aware of. But yeah, just listen, you know,
50:52
listen to what is already in you.
50:56
Like, be sensitive to that and realize that, hey, this is
50:58
coming to you for a reason. But more on that when we come
51:02
back with Patrick Walsh and we'll be right back here after
51:05
this short break. We'll see you guys soon.
51:20
The. The
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None. None.
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None. None.
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None. I'm sorry.
55:02
Wow, Hello there. Hello.
55:04
Again, how you doing? Fancy meeting you here.
55:11
Yeah, thanks everybody, for the quick break there.
55:13
Much needed. But yeah, man, I don't know.
55:17
Like, one of the things that, like my trip over the weekend
55:23
taught me was I hit a moment of discovery where the past has
55:33
happened. You know, a lot of times we, we
55:37
get flashbacks of things that have happened and we try to
55:42
stick to the past a lot. We try to be focused a lot on
55:48
the past and we lose sight of what's happening right in front
55:51
of us that we are part of in the moment.
55:55
And one of the things that was like a realization for me was
56:00
you can see the past, right? Those memories, those visions,
56:04
those things are going to be very vivid because they've
56:08
happened. The present is happening.
56:12
We are shaping it. It's occurring right in front of
56:16
us. So those those visions, those
56:20
realizations of things are going to be a little bit, not as
56:24
clear. They're going to be a little bit
56:28
cloudy like yeah, you can see sort of what's going on.
56:31
But until you clear the muck away and and and do the thing
56:34
about what's happening in the moment, right, it's it's not
56:36
quite so clear. And then the future, what is
56:38
going to happen is like so cloudy.
56:42
It's it's it's You barely make out the shapes.
56:45
Why? Why is that right?
56:47
Why is that? Well, it's because it hasn't
56:49
happened yet. The thing that's going to become
56:51
the future hasn't molded into itself yet.
56:55
Like, we haven't reached that point.
56:57
So that was one of the things that I learned over this past
57:00
weekend was how how powerful we really are to shape our own path
57:09
and to shape weird. We are shapers of weird.
57:12
You know? Things are happening because
57:13
we're doing it. I mean, other things happen
57:17
outside of our involvement, but that's not what I'm talking
57:20
about. I'm talking about our wounds,
57:23
right, That have happened already.
57:25
We can see it. Well, what are we doing now in
57:29
the moment to fix, to heal? And I use fix in the terms of
57:35
like, again, I'm not trying to say that, well, once you do AB
57:38
and C, all of a sudden it's gone.
57:41
I do think that there is an an interesting perspective to take
57:46
on it though is that you know once something is healed cause a
57:50
lot of us have a lot of different things that we're
57:51
dealing with, you know what I mean?
57:54
But once something is healed then we're not going to keep
57:59
continue treating the problem as though it needs to be healed.
58:06
Like, for example, a broken arm only needs to be kept in a cast
58:11
for the time that it's needed to heal.
58:14
Then once it's healed, it comes out of the cast and you go on
58:16
with life. Yeah, sure, there might be
58:18
things about the limb or whatever that don't work quite
58:20
as good because of that injury, but you're not going to continue
58:23
wearing a cast indefinitely because of a broken limb.
58:26
No. So that's what I'm trying to say
58:28
is like there are things about wounds that once you dress it,
58:34
once you tackle the issue, once you finish the work and then
58:41
it's just a maintenance thing at that point, you know you're not,
58:43
you're not having to go in and and and do the hard stuff.
58:47
Anymore. And start over again, other
58:50
things are a little bit more intricate.
58:52
You know, my dad, he had broken his back years and years ago.
58:56
And that's the thing that doesn't really truly go away.
58:58
I mean, there's weather. There's all kinds of things that
59:01
that cause issues, right? Especially if you're not taking
59:03
care of yourself. And that's where possible.
59:06
But it's it's not like you can just would be done with with
59:10
with a spinal injury by you know one and done it's it's it's an
59:15
ongoing therapeutic process of healing.
59:21
So it it isn't A1 size fits all approach but I think in the
59:26
context of what we're saying, you know we you and I can speak
59:31
very specifically about the the way that animistic practices and
59:36
connecting to the land have helped us heal from things in
59:40
the past. You know you've got your spot in
59:42
the woods with the deer, which by the way when I was on the
59:46
trail I I got to say like I was, I was dog tired coming back
59:53
leaving today because when I went out there I was fresh.
59:56
You know what I'm saying? I had a had a good night's sleep
59:58
in front of me and sure it was like a five and a half mile walk
1:00:02
with 40 lbs on my back. But when I got to my campsite
1:00:05
I'm like, yeah, I'm tired but I'm, I'm good.
1:00:07
Well. This morning or yeah.
1:00:10
So like the time of recording, like it was a Sunday when I went
1:00:13
out there and Monday when I came back.
1:00:15
Monday morning when I went back. I'm like, I still feel tired.
1:00:19
I still feel sore from the walk in and now I got to walk back
1:00:22
out. So the walk out was way tougher
1:00:26
on me physically than it was going in.
1:00:28
And on my way out, I'm like, I'm having to stop a few different
1:00:31
times and just sit, catch my breath, you know?
1:00:36
And a couple of times I I remember this one point, I
1:00:41
stopped and I looked and I'm sitting there and just kind of
1:00:44
catching my breath. And right in front of me, up on
1:00:46
up in the wood line is a doe and she's just walking down through
1:00:52
and and I thought of you, 'cause I'm like, if that was Patrick
1:00:57
here, he'd be like he'd be having a time.
1:01:00
Keep going. Keep going, man.
1:01:02
You know, and I had, I had my own animistic experiences on the
1:01:08
way out and while I was there, you know, I'm walking out the
1:01:12
Percy Priest Lake is right. Basically the way the trail goes
1:01:16
is you're walking the edge of the lake to the campsite.
1:01:20
So you're you're constantly near water to some degree.
1:01:24
And like, at one point I had stopped and taking a picture
1:01:31
because it was like a picturesque scene.
1:01:33
Like there was the water, the trees, like I'm in the woods.
1:01:35
It was like, it was beautiful. And I like, I stopped to take a
1:01:38
picture. And then all of a sudden, just
1:01:40
across the water, here comes the Heron and it caught.
1:01:43
I caught it on camera. Like, granted, it's water,
1:01:47
they're always flying around. But I'm like the the timing of
1:01:49
it was too perfect. Like, I couldn't have planned it
1:01:52
unless I had a tripod and a camera and I was sitting there
1:01:55
waiting to capture it. This was just an impromptu
1:01:59
moment, right place, right time sort of thing.
1:02:02
And then so that was a neat experience, right?
1:02:05
The animistic side of of of of the healing was being and and
1:02:10
feeling connected to the animal spirit, the spirit that lives in
1:02:15
the animals of of the wild, getting a chance to experience
1:02:18
that moment with them. And then when I get to my
1:02:20
campsite, it was like all night long I could hear this, you
1:02:22
know, just they're all croaking around me.
1:02:26
And I'm like, yes, tell sing me your song, you know what I mean?
1:02:31
And I heard owls and and all kinds of of wildlife that are
1:02:35
active in the night. But then when I came back and I
1:02:37
see the deer, I was like, ah, that made me think of you, you
1:02:41
know? I'm very honored to be
1:02:44
associated with deer, but also something I'd like to share with
1:02:46
you too is a few days ago I had a really rough day.
1:02:51
I won't go into details, but it's a rough time just like any
1:02:55
other. And I went to my my park and at
1:03:00
this the whole time like man, I'm just not feeling it.
1:03:04
So I might get a little emotional here, but I just felt
1:03:08
overwhelmed. It's just sad.
1:03:13
And then I I saw my dear and their all their glory just
1:03:24
looking at me like, hey, what the hell are you worried about,
1:03:26
dude? Life is live.
1:03:28
You're going to do what you're going to do.
1:03:30
And then shortly after that, I was walking further down the
1:03:34
path and I saw a hawk resting on a tree branch.
1:03:38
I'm like hawk a deer. I firmly believe there is no
1:03:42
such thing as coincidence. Everything will present itself
1:03:45
to you in due time. Now it can be very frustrating
1:03:48
at times. Do you want that?
1:03:53
You want the inspiration and desire to do better.
1:03:57
It'll come to you when it's meant to come to you.
1:04:00
It's OK to feel fucked up. It's OK to feel sad, angry.
1:04:06
Just don't be drowning in a sea of those feelings.
1:04:10
No, you're not drowning at all. You're not gasper air.
1:04:15
You're in that moment. Your head will rise above the
1:04:18
water. The sun will rise again.
1:04:22
The moon will rise again. The stars will shine again.
1:04:25
They'll always be there, just as well as yourself until our last
1:04:29
final breath, obviously. But ultimately, in the
1:04:32
experience we face every day, it's OK to have those modes of
1:04:39
doubt, uncertainty, confidence, love and everything in that
1:04:44
spectrum. It's OK to feel that way.
1:04:46
And that's something tears will show me.
1:04:49
And at the same time, you know, they ultimately, I will face
1:04:52
that truth as they are animals, true and true.
1:04:56
But at the same time, I feel like in my heart and my soul
1:05:00
that they have something to offer to me.
1:05:03
And I'm very happy and very grateful to be reciprocate and
1:05:09
open to that experience, just as you are with the hair.
1:05:13
And it's just this something that's like, hey, a totem, a
1:05:17
reminder like, hey, you're not alone.
1:05:20
You have a great spirit. You have a great heart.
1:05:22
You have a great personality. Keep it going.
1:05:27
Keep it growing. Be who you are.
1:05:31
Yeah, I think that's a good, a good reminder.
1:05:34
You know, like, yes, they are animals and yes, they do animal
1:05:37
things and just because we may be in the moment there to
1:05:43
experience it with them doesn't, you know.
1:05:46
The fact that they're animals. Yeah, like it isn't.
1:05:49
It's like, oh, they're here for me.
1:05:50
I mean, no. They're not.
1:05:52
They're not exactly, but they play.
1:05:53
A role. They definitely play a role.
1:05:55
Right. And you're again, right time,
1:05:57
right place. You know, we're we're in that
1:06:00
moment with them. I can't tell you how many times
1:06:02
I've gone to the river and don't see a Heron, you know what I
1:06:05
mean? And at one point I had become
1:06:07
really discouraged because of that.
1:06:09
Because I'm like why am I not seeing why why why are they not
1:06:15
making themselves manifest? Me this, this, this animal
1:06:17
spirit that I feel so connected to from other experiences in the
1:06:22
past. Why now all of a sudden are they
1:06:24
not there? And I, you know part of me, you
1:06:27
know I I start like over analyzing it, you know and I go,
1:06:31
is it something I'm doing? Am I drawing away?
1:06:33
Am I, am I disconnecting myself from that and it And I'm like, I
1:06:37
I reached the point to to realize that it's it ain't about
1:06:40
that. Like you feeling a connection to
1:06:44
the deer or me feeling a connection to a heroine or or
1:06:46
any other person that animistic side of us that that we choose
1:06:51
to explore. Those are just, you know, those
1:06:56
are external moments that I think kind of validate what's in
1:07:02
US, what, what we're already a part of.
1:07:04
It's like just because we don't see it, doesn't mean that it's
1:07:07
not there. Just because we don't, you know,
1:07:10
experience that connection in the moment doesn't mean that
1:07:14
we're not perpetually a part of the picture, that that we're not
1:07:20
always that thing. It's just that we're not
1:07:25
experiencing it in in the way that we as humans so gravely
1:07:31
crave and desire. Like we want that validation.
1:07:33
We want that confirmation. I if I see it, then it's real.
1:07:38
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly.
1:07:42
That that kind of goes into something you cover recently is
1:07:45
like having a tribe, like a tribe of people who live near
1:07:50
you, as you know as well as well as many of my friends, my family
1:07:53
even know is a lot of my friends.
1:07:57
Like 90% of my friends like you, my brother, live 5 hours away
1:08:03
from me. Just because I can't see you,
1:08:08
Jesse, doesn't mean you're not fucking there, does.
1:08:12
It's the experience of Far the Mountain.
1:08:14
Just because that has passed and that time has passed to doesn't
1:08:20
mean that moment that far at my mountain doesn't burn.
1:08:25
You know that Flame is still there, That desire, that
1:08:28
connection is still there. And a lot of you who are solo
1:08:32
purchasers like myself, don't be discouraged.
1:08:35
Just because you don't have people who live near and close
1:08:38
to you, it doesn't mean your your commitment that your
1:08:42
connection is any less valid. You practice what you're
1:08:45
practicing, you make the best of what you've got, and this is
1:08:49
very important to note of and to remind yourself as often as you
1:08:52
can. Don't be discouraged by being
1:08:54
old, but don't be discouraged also by seeking out and making
1:08:58
something for your own like Jesse has with his tribe.
1:09:03
Yes, it's. It's all part of the work, you
1:09:05
know. You know, things just don't land
1:09:09
in our laps. If you want it, make it happen,
1:09:14
go looking for it. Do the work, be active.
1:09:17
Right. Just do it.
1:09:18
Be be alive in it. I can't.
1:09:21
You know, I've talked before too, about like what?
1:09:23
Well, what do you believe in? Well, if you believe in
1:09:26
something, to me, to be to believe means to be alive.
1:09:32
So if I'm going to believe in something, then I'm going to be
1:09:34
alive in it. It's not going to be casual.
1:09:37
I'll do it every so often, like I'm going to find a way to live
1:09:41
it. It's going to be my lifestyle.
1:09:44
I love that. You know what?
1:09:45
I mean, love that. I really love that.
1:09:47
Be live. Be alive.
1:09:49
Be alive. Yeah, That's beautiful.
1:09:51
Well set, my brother. Well.
1:09:54
And I would encourage everybody and anybody that is looking for
1:09:58
that is, well, if you are about it, then be about it, right,
1:10:01
live it And it's, you know, it's not to try to prove anything,
1:10:05
it's not to try to you know. Not contact.
1:10:08
Unless it's to yourself. Like, hey, I can do this.
1:10:11
Like, I mean, because granted, I, you know so much of what this
1:10:13
past weekend's trip for me about was to prove to myself that I
1:10:19
could do this despite what others may have said.
1:10:22
You know you can't do that. You shouldn't do that.
1:10:25
That's not smart. Well, I'm gonna do the best that
1:10:29
I can. I'm gonna take all the
1:10:30
precautions that I can, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna prevent
1:10:32
myself from doing what I know I need to do just because you
1:10:35
think I shouldn't or whatever. You know what I mean?
1:10:38
Like, and there's a fine line for that, cuz sometimes people
1:10:41
want to do things that are just downright stupid and they
1:10:44
shouldn't. However.
1:10:46
Recklessness, yeah. Yeah, they'll be reckless,
1:10:48
right? However, if if you're of a sound
1:10:51
mind and you've got a plan and a purpose behind it, it may sound
1:10:55
crazy, it may sound off the off the charts kind of cuckoo for
1:10:59
Cocoa Puffs, but it's somebody's opinion, man.
1:11:03
Like it's like, it's like the dude you know, Well, you know
1:11:06
that's just like your opinion, man.
1:11:09
And. That's why.
1:11:11
I need to do this right? They need to do this, and you're
1:11:14
going to come out out of the end of it.
1:11:18
Like you're going to come out from that moment where people
1:11:20
are like, what is wrong with you?
1:11:22
Well, when you come back from that experience, be like, I
1:11:26
don't know, man, what is wrong with me?
1:11:28
Better yet, if there's anything wrong with me, what's?
1:11:30
Right with you. What is right with you,
1:11:32
motherfucker? You tell me what's right with
1:11:34
you. You tell me what you've done to
1:11:37
earn your bread. What have you done to earn your
1:11:39
badge of honor? What have you done to be the man
1:11:42
that you are, the woman that you are?
1:11:44
What have you done? Yeah, well, you sitting here
1:11:46
pointing fingers about what you don't think I should do?
1:11:49
Well, how about you turn that finger around and go, well, what
1:11:52
should I be doing? It's like I'm not doing this to
1:11:56
prove a point. I'm doing it to prove to myself
1:11:59
that I can do it. And if in the process that helps
1:12:03
somebody else become inspired to pull up their own but, you know,
1:12:09
buckle up themselves and do something, then hell yeah, I'm
1:12:12
glad I did it. Because that inspired somebody
1:12:14
else to get up off their ass and stop pointing fingers at
1:12:18
somebody else and turn around and do something of worth for
1:12:21
themselves and show others in their life what they can do.
1:12:24
Because it can only go up from there, right?
1:12:27
You show somebody else your worth.
1:12:28
Those people that love you, those people that mean something
1:12:30
to you, they're going to be, they're going to be behind you,
1:12:32
right? Yeah.
1:12:34
Good for you, man. I you know, and guess what?
1:12:36
Like, you inspired me to? To want to do something right
1:12:39
and to dig up some of these issues that I've had, you know,
1:12:42
problems with, right. Go into the healing aspect and
1:12:47
and wow, you're so you know, like you, you inspired me to do
1:12:50
it. I've been there, right.
1:12:51
A lot of what I've come to learn and and practice and navigate
1:12:57
towards, You know, I didn't just wake up one day and be like, I'm
1:13:00
going to do that. It was because I saw other
1:13:04
people doing things of an inspiring nature that inspired
1:13:07
me to want to explore what they're getting out of it,
1:13:11
right? What can I get out of it myself?
1:13:14
It's not to try to be like them. It's not a competition like you
1:13:16
said before, but man. Just to embody them.
1:13:20
Yeah, I wanna feel that too. I wanna, I wanna experience
1:13:23
something like that too. And if that's what it takes, if
1:13:26
I can go through something like that, an ordeal or whatever, and
1:13:30
come out victorious on the other end, then why wouldn't I?
1:13:35
So what if it sucks in the moment, right?
1:13:37
I still feel like I told you earlier, I still feel like a
1:13:39
train ran over me. I feel like physical dog shit
1:13:44
because 45 lbs of weight, you know, 10 miles plus over the
1:13:49
last 24 hours. But guess what?
1:13:51
In a couple days I'll be over it.
1:13:53
I'll be physically fine in a couple.
1:13:54
I won't be hurt sore anymore. No, not a lot, but I've got all
1:13:59
experience. You're just.
1:14:02
Exactly. Everything that that experience
1:14:04
taught me with me forever. Now that's what's going to
1:14:09
stick. That's what I'm going to carry
1:14:11
with me. And that's also very important
1:14:13
to mention this my brother mentioned to all you were
1:14:15
watching is you know. Again though, what it may be
1:14:20
deal with is very messed up, challenging and hard.
1:14:25
Stick to it. Keep fighting.
1:14:28
Do what you do. You'll just don't give up.
1:14:31
Yeah, keep on, man, Keep on, keeping on, you know, But I
1:14:39
think that's about good, man. I think we got a good.
1:14:41
I think we got a good episode in.
1:14:42
What do you think? I agree.
1:14:44
Absolutely, Yeah. I'm glad we got a chance to get
1:14:47
you on here to talk about it and go over some of our own personal
1:14:51
experiences and share our own, you know, moments of and
1:14:56
appreciation. Yeah, yeah, all of it, man.
1:15:00
You got a, you got a way of of explaining things and I think a
1:15:03
lot of people can relate to and I appreciate you being willing
1:15:06
to do that. I appreciate you saying, though,
1:15:08
that means the world to me. It's one thing thinking these
1:15:11
things, but to hear from the outside source that comes back
1:15:15
to, you know, seeking approval, while it's nice to have people
1:15:20
like you or anyone else in my life to say these things, that's
1:15:24
something I'm also learning too as well.
1:15:26
To see that before anyone else, like, hey, you know, myself,
1:15:31
Patrick, you you dealt with, you know, recover from heroin, you,
1:15:36
you deal with depression every day.
1:15:38
I'm like, you know, I want to see that work for anyone else.
1:15:41
And I thought that's a noble and great goal for all of us to
1:15:44
have. See the wealth, see your work
1:15:46
before anyone else, and shine bright and shine true.
1:15:51
Yeah. And do it if the if the
1:15:54
validation comes or not, you know what I mean?
1:15:56
Like So what if somebody doesn't pat you on the back or give you
1:16:01
that validation, right. At least you've done it and you
1:16:04
know you've done it. We know we've done it right.
1:16:08
I don't need the validation from others.
1:16:10
And people can still think what they want to think.
1:16:12
It's, you know, they're entitled.
1:16:13
To that people are people. That's all they.
1:16:15
Need to do it. Crazy for it if I'm.
1:16:17
If I'm if I'm, you know turning 40 this year and this is my
1:16:19
midlife crisis quote UN quote. Well then.
1:16:22
I guess it is. Yeah.
1:16:24
I'll shoot that too. So, but I do appreciate you
1:16:30
coming on here and wrapping with me for the last bit and I hope
1:16:34
everybody that's, you know watch this on Patreon or listen to
1:16:38
this on any of the audio platforms enjoyed it as well.
1:16:42
And if you did, you know, do the thing that whatever it is that
1:16:46
you're watching or listening this on, you know, heart, react,
1:16:50
thumbs up, add it to your downloads.
1:16:52
I don't know engage with it in any way that you can share it
1:16:58
around. That always helps as well.
1:17:00
I know we'll be sharing this in your group there, Patrick,
1:17:03
amongst other places in the the high lung group.
1:17:06
So Speaking of which, you got high lung coming up too.
1:17:11
So the healing means right, the the healing continues.
1:17:16
Lives on. It lives on every day.
1:17:20
This is our spirits and our wealthy do better by ourselves,
1:17:23
our community and our friends and our family.
1:17:25
A. 100% Well, all you folks that are watching and listening,
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check out the the show notes in the description area.
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Patrick's group will be linked down there as well.
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So if you're on Facebook and you want to connect with him and
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others, whether it's hailung related or just, you know, a
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general awareness and and support of mental and spiritual
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health, yeah, click on that link that's in the the show notes and
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description. There's going to be a couple of
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questions that you'll need to answer before you get admitted.
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It's just protocol. So do that.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's all that necessary.
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Keep all the bots out and all that.
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Make the safe space safe. So thank you Patrick, my my good
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friend and my brother for. Coming on here.
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And thank you all for being here to listen and watch this episode
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of the Random Heathen Ramblings podcast.
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If you liked it, give it a thumbs up, share it around, tell
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your friends, and we do appreciate you being here as
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always. So until we talk again, may the
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gods continue to notice you. May your ancestors smile upon
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you. We'll see you in the next one.