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Youngest Woman on Death Row: Christa Pike · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Had you ever wondered what happens when a system designed
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  Speaker 1: to give people a second chance, you know, accidentally creates
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  Speaker 1: the absolute perfect hunting ground for a predator?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it is a terrifying thought. And it's exactly what
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at today. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Because on a freezing January night in 1995, an 18-year-old
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  Speaker 1: girl walked back into a government-run job corps center in Knoxville, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: She just calmly walked up to the front desk, signed
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  Speaker 1: the sheet to indicate she was safely back for the evening,
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  Speaker 1: and headed up to her room.
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  Speaker 2: Just a normal night.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Except in her pocket, she was carrying a piece
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  Speaker 1: of her classmate's skull.
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  Speaker 2: Just, it completely stops you in your tracks when you
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  Speaker 2: hear that.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. So today, we aren't just looking at
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  Speaker 1: the morbid details of the youngest woman ever sent to
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  Speaker 1: death row in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: No, we're really unpacking the anatomy of this crime. We
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  Speaker 2: are going through the transcripts, the psychological evaluations, and the
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  Speaker 2: firsthand accounts from detectives and the victim's family.
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  Speaker 1: Because our mission in this deep dive is to dissect
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  Speaker 1: how a federally funded safety net, which was designed to
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  Speaker 1: give struggling kids a lifeline, inadvertently transformed into a nightmare. Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's the exact intersection where extreme childhood trauma, institutional blind spots,
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  Speaker 2: and just pure terrifying psychological manipulation all collide.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to set the tone right out of
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  Speaker 1: the gate here. The source material we have is brutal.
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  Speaker 2: It is incredibly heavy, yes.
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  Speaker 1: But we are focusing on the psychological why behind it all. Because,
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  Speaker 1: as you pointed out looking at the sources, there were
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  Speaker 1: warning signs, right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. Warning signs flashing in neon for months. But
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  Speaker 2: you have to look at the unique, highly volatile ecosystem
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  Speaker 2: these young people were placed in to understand why those
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  Speaker 2: warnings were ignored.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because you have to ask yourself, how does a teenager...
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  Speaker 1: casually announce an impending murder to a room full of
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  Speaker 1: a dozen people, and nobody even thinks to call security. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And to understand how this horrific event was allowed to happen,
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  Speaker 2: we really first have to understand the pressure cooker environment
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  Speaker 2: where the victim and the killers were forced together.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go back to Knoxville in the 1990s.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Knoxville is this rapidly growing, vibrant city sitting right
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  Speaker 2: at the foothills of the Smoky Mountains.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a college town, right?
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  Speaker 2: It is. It's got outside cafes and energetic street life.
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  Speaker 2: But it also has this documented history of being a
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  Speaker 2: place where strange, dark things occasionally just, you know, bubble
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  Speaker 2: up to the surface.
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  Speaker 1: And right in the middle of this bustling city is
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  Speaker 1: the Knoxville Job Corps Center.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, housed in this massive five-story former Holiday Inn situated
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  Speaker 2: right on Dell Avenue.
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  Speaker 1: It's so weird to picture that. Just a repurposed, sterile
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  Speaker 1: hotel building packed with about 350 students.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and the original philosophy behind the Job Corps was
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  Speaker 2: incredibly noble. I mean, it was a government-run lifeline for
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  Speaker 2: young people, usually between 15 and 22, who had just
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  Speaker 2: fallen through the cracks. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Kids coming from severe poverty, abusive homes, failing school districts.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The goal was strictly rehabilitation and vocational training, teaching
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  Speaker 2: them tangible traits like nursing, clerical work, computer science, carpentry.
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  Speaker 1: It was supposed to be a safe haven, a place
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  Speaker 1: where they could hit the reset button on their lives.
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  Speaker 2: But then there was a massive administrative pivot that fundamentally
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  Speaker 2: altered the ecosystem of that entire building.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Joe Mode, who was an instructor teaching cultural awareness
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  Speaker 1: there in the early 90s, he highlighted this bureaucratic shift
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  Speaker 1: that proved to be absolutely fatal.
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  Speaker 2: He did, because somewhere along the line, the admissions policy changed.
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  Speaker 2: They began accepting troubled youths who had active criminal backgrounds.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so judges were using the Job Corps as an
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  Speaker 1: alternative to juvenile detention?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Or an alternative to prison. And, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: bureaucratic logic behind that shift makes sense in a vacuum.
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  Speaker 2: The state wanted to rehabilitate young offenders, give them a
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  Speaker 2: trade instead of locking them in a cell where they
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  Speaker 2: just learn how to be better criminals.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I get the intention.
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  Speaker 2: But from a sociological standpoint?
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  Speaker 1: It was a complete disaster.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like putting a fox in a hen
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  Speaker 2: house and expecting the fox to learn how to lay eggs.
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  Speaker 1: That is the perfect analogy.
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  Speaker 2: You are taking individuals who have already crossed the threshold
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  Speaker 2: into criminality and placing them shoulder to shoulder with highly
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  Speaker 2: vulnerable kids who are just trying to escape bad circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: You take vulnerable people seeking a fresh start and you
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  Speaker 1: lock them in with people looking for victims.
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  Speaker 2: And the fallout was immediate. Instructors like Joe Mode noted
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  Speaker 2: that the genuine students, the ones who actually wanted to
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  Speaker 2: learn a trade, were suddenly being terrorized.
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  Speaker 1: They were getting jumped in the halls, right?
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  Speaker 2: Jumped, harassed in their dorms, extorted.
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  Speaker 1: And consequently, the program suffered this massive brain drain. The
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  Speaker 1: good students packed their bags and fled because the environment
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  Speaker 1: became entirely too toxic.
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  Speaker 2: Right. When you introduce a predatory element into a vulnerable population,
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  Speaker 2: you don't elevate the predators. You just victimize the vulnerable.
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  Speaker 1: And I want you, the listener, to really think about
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  Speaker 1: that for a second. Consider environments in your own life
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  Speaker 1: or community where well-intentioned policies might have created unintended, highly
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  Speaker 1: dangerous consequences.
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  Speaker 2: Because it was into this exact volatile, shifting environment that
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  Speaker 2: two fundamentally different young women arrived.
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  Speaker 1: Two women on an absolute collision course. Let's start with
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  Speaker 1: the victim, 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer.
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  Speaker 2: Colleen came all the way from Florida, and the portrait
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  Speaker 2: painted by her mother, May Martinez, and her instructors is
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  Speaker 2: just heartbreakingly innocent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's described as quiet, mild-mannered, and incredibly sweet.
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  Speaker 2: She spent her free time back in Florida volunteering with
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  Speaker 2: the Special Olympics. She loved roller skating. By all accounts,
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  Speaker 2: just a really gentle soul.
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  Speaker 1: So why did she go to Knoxville?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Florida apparently didn't have a specific government program that
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  Speaker 2: fit the computer curriculum she wanted, so she looked out
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  Speaker 2: of state.
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  Speaker 1: And her parents were not thrilled about this, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, her mother was deeply opposed to it. They were protective.
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee felt a world away from Florida. But Colleen was
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  Speaker 2: fiercely independent.
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  Speaker 1: She wanted to prove she could make it on her own,
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  Speaker 1: earn a certificate in computer science, build a career.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. She was proud of taking this massive step. So
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  Speaker 2: she left for Knoxville on October 31, 1994.
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  Speaker 1: Tragically, that Halloween would be the last time her family
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  Speaker 1: ever saw her alive.
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  Speaker 2: It really is awful.
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  Speaker 1: Because entering that exact same Holiday Inn on Dell Avenue,
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  Speaker 1: we have 18-year-old Krista Pike.
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  Speaker 2: Right. She had dropped out of high school in North
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  Speaker 2: Carolina and came to Knoxville for the nursing track.
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  Speaker 1: And we really need to talk about her childhood background here.
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  Speaker 1: The psychological evaluations detail a past that is genuinely horrific.
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  Speaker 2: There is really no other word for it. She was
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  Speaker 2: bounced relentlessly between relatives, parents to grandparents, and back again.
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  Speaker 1: Her mother was largely absent, and when she was around...
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  Speaker 1: The home was filled with explosive anger and alcohol, but
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  Speaker 1: like no food in the fridge.
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  Speaker 2: And beyond the severe neglect, the evaluations note she was
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  Speaker 2: repeatedly molested by her mother's boyfriends. Her mother actually gave
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  Speaker 2: her marijuana to smoke when Krista was just a small child.
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  Speaker 1: It's a profound portrait of compound drama.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. Dr. Lina Haji, a psychological expert who
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  Speaker 2: analyzed the case in the sources, draws a critical distinction
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  Speaker 2: regarding Krista's upbringing.
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  Speaker 1: About the lack of support.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the sexual abuse and the chaotic environment were devastating,
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  Speaker 2: but the true catalyst for her psychological deterioration was the absolute,
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  Speaker 2: total lack of intervention afterward.
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  Speaker 1: No therapy, no safe adult to turn to, no processing
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  Speaker 1: of the trauma at all.
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  Speaker 2: Right. When a developing brain experiences continuous, severe abuse without
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  Speaker 2: any support system, it fundamentally warps the individual's worldview. Empathy
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  Speaker 2: fails to develop.
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  Speaker 1: Because the brain is stuck in a hypervigilant state of survival,
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Which eventually calcifies into this profound resentment and a
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  Speaker 2: desire to exert power over others, just as power was
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  Speaker 2: exerted over her.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait. Let me push back on that framework for
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  Speaker 1: a second.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Because whenever we discuss horrific crimes, we always get pulled
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  Speaker 1: into this nature versus nurture debate.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The classic debate.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, millions of people suffer unimaginable childhood trauma.
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  Speaker 1: They endure poverty. Sexual abuse, severe neglect, and they never
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  Speaker 1: become murderers.
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  Speaker 2: That's entirely true.
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  Speaker 1: So does the source material suggest Krista already had a
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  Speaker 1: terrifying biological predisposition that this trauma just happened to unlock? Yes, actually.
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  Speaker 2: Modern forensic psychology rarely looks at it as a strict
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  Speaker 2: debate between nature and nurture anymore. It's almost always about
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  Speaker 2: epigenetic triggers.
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  Speaker 1: Epigenetic triggers. Okay, explain that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Dr. Haji refers to Krista's psychology as a perfect storm.
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  Speaker 2: The consensus is that Krista highly likely possessed a biological
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  Speaker 2: genetic predisposition towards psychopathy or antisocial personality disorder.
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  Speaker 1: But a predisposition is just a dormant seed, right?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The severe, unmitigated abuse and neglect acted as the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate fertilizer. The trauma acted as the trigger that activated
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  Speaker 2: those dormant biological traits.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So without the abuse, maybe that inherent lack of empathy...
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  Speaker 1: Manifests as like a ruthless corporate executive or a manipulative
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  Speaker 1: con artist.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But combined with the deep rage from her childhood,
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  Speaker 2: it created a psychological profile capable of physical sadism.
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  Speaker 1: So we have this perfect storm of a person, essentially
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  Speaker 1: a predator, dropped right into the leaky life raft of
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  Speaker 1: the job corps.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But a predator usually needs a trigger, right? A specific
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  Speaker 1: obsession to set them off?
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  Speaker 2: They do. And for Krista Pike, that trigger became a
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  Speaker 2: toxic cocktail of terrorism. jealousy and this dark, performative subculture
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  Speaker 2: she got into.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where the social dynamics get really complex.
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  Speaker 1: Krista makes a best friend at the center named Kim Iliolo.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Kim's initial description of Krista is totally at odds
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  Speaker 2: with a monster. She calls Krista a ball of life.
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  Speaker 1: Right. She said she was fun, always laughing. When Kim
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  Speaker 1: got sick, Krista apparently went out of her way to
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  Speaker 1: bring her candy and take care of her.
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  Speaker 2: They were inseparable. They spent their free time riding the
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  Speaker 2: free trolley bus around Knoxville from 4 in the afternoon
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  Speaker 2: until 10 at night.
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  Speaker 1: So how does that square with psychopathy?
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  Speaker 2: What you're seeing there is the superficial charm that is
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  Speaker 2: a hallmark of psychopathy. Krista could be incredibly engaging and
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  Speaker 2: sympathetic when she wanted to be.
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  Speaker 1: Like a chameleon.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, like a chameleon. They can perfectly mimic the behaviors
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  Speaker 2: of a caring, empathetic friend when it serves their purpose.
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  Speaker 2: In this case, building a loyal alliance in a new environment.
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  Speaker 1: Psychopaths are exceptionally skilled at reading what people want and
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  Speaker 1: mirroring it back to them. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And through this tight alliance with Kim, Krista is eventually
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  Speaker 2: introduced to a 17-year-old boy named Tadaryl Shipp.
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  Speaker 1: And the moment Tadaryl enters the picture, the dynamic violently shifts.
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  Speaker 2: It does. Kim notes that Krista and Tadaryl become instantly,
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  Speaker 2: intensely inseparable. Krista develops this extreme, almost suffocating possessiveness over him.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a wrinkle here. The sources note a rumored
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  Speaker 1: love triangle.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Before Krista even arrived at the job court, Tadaryl
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  Speaker 2: had apparently shown some romantic interest in Colleen Slimmer.
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  Speaker 1: The victim.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And in Krista's mind, that past mild interest transformed
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  Speaker 2: Colleen into an active, festering threat.
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  Speaker 1: So she just couldn't let it go.
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  Speaker 2: You have to view this through the lens of a
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  Speaker 2: narcissist with psychopathic traits. To Krista, to Daryl wasn't just
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  Speaker 2: a boyfriend. He was property. He was an extension of
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  Speaker 2: her ego.
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  Speaker 1: So the fact that he had previously looked at Colleen
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  Speaker 1: meant that Colleen was a threat to her ownership. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't standard teenage jealousy. It was an existential threat
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  Speaker 2: to her dominance. Instructor Joe Mode noted how profound and
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  Speaker 2: obsessive this jealousy became.
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  Speaker 1: And this obsession wasn't just festering in a normal, healthy
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  Speaker 1: teenage environment.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: It was happening within a very specific, dark subculture that Krista,
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  Speaker 1: to Daryl, and another friend named Shadola Peterson had actively cultivated.
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  Speaker 2: Right. We cannot ignore the massive, glaring presence of Satanism
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  Speaker 2: in this story.
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  Speaker 1: We really can't. And context is everything here because we
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  Speaker 1: are in Knoxville, Tennessee in the mid-90s.
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  Speaker 2: The Bible Belt. Right.
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  Speaker 1: As Joe Mode points out, there is literally a church
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  Speaker 1: on every corner. So to be openly practicing Satanism in
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  Speaker 1: this specific geography wasn't just a private spiritual choice. It
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  Speaker 1: was a loud, aggressive statement.
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  Speaker 2: It was a middle finger to the entire culture around them.
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  Speaker 1: They set up actual Satanic altars in their Job Corps
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  Speaker 1: dorm rooms. They collected dark literature. Krista even went so
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  Speaker 1: far as to get a devil tattooed on her chest.
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  Speaker 2: The psychological utility of that satanic aesthetic is fascinating, especially
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  Speaker 2: for someone with Krista's background.
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  Speaker 1: Because it gave her power.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. For a deeply traumatized young woman who grew up
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  Speaker 2: feeling fundamentally powerless and victimized, adopting a belief system centered
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  Speaker 2: on dark power, fear, and domination is incredibly intoxicating.
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  Speaker 1: It is an armor. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. It wasn't about theology or genuine religious belief. It
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  Speaker 2: was about intimidation. By aligning themselves with something the surrounding
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  Speaker 2: culture viewed as ultimate evil, they were creating an aura
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  Speaker 2: of untouchability.
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  Speaker 1: They were making sure everyone in that five-story Holiday Inn
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  Speaker 1: was a little bit afraid of them.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And that aura of danger quickly escalated into massive, undeniable
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  Speaker 1: red flags. Red flags that were completely missed by the
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  Speaker 1: adults in the room.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Colleen actually called her mother in Florida and reported
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  Speaker 2: that three kids were tormenting her. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She told her mom they were breaking into her room,
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  Speaker 1: stealing her jewelry, taking her clothes. She didn't give her
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  Speaker 1: mom their exact names, but she described two girls and
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  Speaker 1: a guy.
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  Speaker 2: Krista, Shadola, and to Daryl.
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  Speaker 1: And then we have this moment that just, it absolutely
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  Speaker 1: stops you in your tracks.
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  Speaker 2: The dorm room incident.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Kim, Krista's best friend. Describes this random Saturday afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: There are maybe 12 or 13 kids just hanging out,
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  Speaker 1: shooting the breeze.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Colleen's name organically comes up in conversation. And Krista, sitting
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  Speaker 1: in front of a dozen of her peers, casually announces,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to kill her.
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  Speaker 2: Just completely deadpan. From a behavioral analysis standpoint, that moment
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  Speaker 2: is critical. Announcing a premeditated murder in a casual setting,
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  Speaker 2: surrounded by peers, is not a slip of the tongue.
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  Speaker 1: It's a calculated flex.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Krista was establishing her dominance in the social hierarchy.
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  Speaker 2: She was testing the waters, essentially broadcasting, I hold the
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  Speaker 2: power of life and death, and I am entirely unashamed
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: And when Kim responds by telling her to just leave
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  Speaker 1: Colleen alone, Krista's reaction is chilling.
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  Speaker 2: She just smiles, winks at Kim, and changes the subject.
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  Speaker 1: A wink. The casual nature of that wink demonstrates a complete,
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  Speaker 1: terrifying detachment from the moral weight of taking a human life.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 1: But help me understand the mechanics of the bystander effect here. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Because how does a teenager renounce a murder to a
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  Speaker 1: room of 12 people and nobody quietly goes to an instructor,
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  Speaker 1: nobody calls security? Is it just because teenage drama is
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  Speaker 1: so normalized that we lose our radar for actual danger?
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  Speaker 2: It is exactly that. It's a phenomenon known as the
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  Speaker 2: diffusion of responsibility, compounded by the normalization of violent rhetoric.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because teenagers say crazy things all the time. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: In a volatile environment like a center full of troubled,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes criminal youths, hyperbole is the default language. People likely said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to kill you over stolen laundry or a
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  Speaker 2: bad look in the hallway.
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  Speaker 1: So they just tuned it out.
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  Speaker 2: The peers simply lacked the framework to differentiate between standard
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  Speaker 2: aggressive teenage posturing and a genuine state of factual intent.
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  Speaker 2: Because everyone assumed it was just drama, no one acted.
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  Speaker 1: And that silence was deafening to Krista.
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  Speaker 2: By dismissing those massive red flags, the group inadvertently gave
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  Speaker 2: her permission. She realized there were absolutely no guardrails.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the night of January 12, 1995.
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  Speaker 1: This is where we have to dissect the anatomy of
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  Speaker 1: a premeditated nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: And the sequence of events here is vital to understanding
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  Speaker 2: the complete failure of the institutional safety net.
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  Speaker 1: Around 8.50 p.m., Krista, Tadaryl, and Shadala approach Colleen at
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  Speaker 1: the Job Corps Center. And the bait they use to
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  Speaker 1: lure her out is incredibly simple and disarming.
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  Speaker 2: They offer a truce and invite her to go smoke weed.
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  Speaker 1: Just a classic peace offering.
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  Speaker 2: But the premeditation in this moment cannot be overstated. Krista
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  Speaker 2: didn't just convince Colleen to take a walk to hash
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  Speaker 2: out their differences. She armed herself for a slaughter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the records show that Krista brought a meat cleaver
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  Speaker 1: and a box cutter with her.
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  Speaker 2: You do not bring a meat cleaver to a peace offering.
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  Speaker 2: This was a hunt.
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  Speaker 1: And the system facilitated it. All four of them walked
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  Speaker 1: to the front desk and signed themselves out of the facility,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: walking right out the front doors.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Kim actually watches them leave from her balcony. She later
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: said she felt this sudden, heavy sense of impending doom
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: in her stomach, wishing she had screamed out or said something,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: but she just stood there and watched them walk away.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: They head down Cumberland Avenue. They cut under a bridge
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: moving steadily toward Tyson Park, which sits near the boundary
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: of the University of Tennessee.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: And the geography of this walk is important. As you
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: move deeper into that park, especially at night in January,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: the city just falls away. Right.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: You enter this highly isolated, heavily wooded area where the
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: ambient noise of the city drowns out anything else.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: And it was at that exact point of maximum isolation
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: that the trap was sprung. The psychological shift from peer
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: to prey happened instantly.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Krista suddenly turns on Colleen, accusing her again of trying
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to steal to Daryl.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: And the argument ends. instantly escalates into sustained horrific violence.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: What we really must analyze closely here is the duration
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: of this attack.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Because it wasn't fast.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: No, this wasn't an impulsive heat of the moment strike
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: that was over in seconds. The forensic evidence and confessions
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: dictate that this was a 45 minute torture session. 45 minutes.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you really have to sit with that timeline.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: To sustain active physical violence against another human being for
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: almost an hour, requires a terrifying level of endurance and malice.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Every time Colleen tried to run away, they would punch her,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: slash her with the box cutter, tackle her, and drag
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: her back.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: They deliberately stripped her of her shirt and jacket, weaponizing
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the freezing January weather so she couldn't escape into the cold.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: She was bleeding, beaten, and desperately trying to survive. And
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the psychological torment was just as agonizing as the physical torment.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Colleen begged for her life. She pleaded with them, promising
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that if they just let her go, she would hitchhike
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: out of Knoxville that very night and go straight back
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: to Florida. She would disappear.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And Krista's response to that desperate begging is perhaps the purest,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: most concentrated expression of psychopathy in the entire case.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: What did she say?
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Krista looks down at her and says, you know it's
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: too late for that. You do know who's killing you.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Why say that? Why does she need
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Colleen to acknowledge her?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Because for a sadistic psychopath, the physical act of murder...
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: isn't enough. They require the psychological credit. They feed on
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: narcissistic supply.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: She needed Colleen to fully comprehend her own helplessness. Exactly.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: She wanted Colleen to know exactly who possessed the ultimate
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: power over her existence. It's about extracting every ounce of
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: terror and dominance before the victim expires.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And it somehow gets even darker.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: While Colleen is still alive and conscious, Krista holds her
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: down in the dirt so that Tadarl can use the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: box cutter to carve a pentagram into her chest.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: The upside-down star inside a circle.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: The goat head of Satan.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: They are literally telling her this is a satanic ritual.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And then the culmination of this 45-minute nightmare. Right. Krista
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: realizes Colleen is still breathing. She picks up a large
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: chunk of broken asphalt. And she begins smashing it repeatedly
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: against Colleen's skull.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Her justification, her actual words later on were, the bleep
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: wouldn't die.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And as she's bludgeoning her with this rock, she leans
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: in and keeps asking, do you know who's doing this
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: to you?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And Colleen, choking on her own blood, manages to say yes.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Krista just kept striking her until she stopped moving entirely.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: If we break down the mechanics of this violence... The
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: pentagram and the use of the asphalt point to a
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: terrifying blend of ritualistic sadism and explosive suppressed rage.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Because carving a symbol is so deliberate. Exactly.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Carving a symbol into a living, breathing human being is
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the ultimate act of objectification. In their minds, Colleen was
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: no longer a person. She was a canvas for their
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: dark fantasy.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And the physical exertion required to cave in someone's skull
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: with a piece of asphalt speaks to this Relentless, obsessive
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: need to destroy.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: But the detail that truly separates this from a standard
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: homicide is what happens immediately after the trauma to the head.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Krista reaches into the fatal wound and pulls out a
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: fragment of Colleen's shattered skull to keep as a souvenir.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: A trophy. Yes.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Taking a biological trophy is a hallmark of highly organized
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: predatory serial killers.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Why do they do that?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It serves a very specific psychological function. It allows the
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: killer to retain a physical manifestation of their dominance. Long
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: after the crime scene is cleaned up, they can touch
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that trophy and instantly relive the high of absolute power
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and control they felt in the woods.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: The brutality is staggering, but you are right. What happens
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in the immediate aftermath provides an even more chilling window
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: into how a psychopath's brain processes reality.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Because they just leave the body in the woods. Right.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: They walk to a nearby gas station, wash some of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the blood off their hands and faces in the bathroom,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and then they just casually walk back to the Job
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Corps center.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: They walk into the lobby, approach the front desk, and
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: sign the sheet to prove they are back before curfew.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the cognitive dissonance required to perform that
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: mundane action. How did the brain compartmentalize this?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: It's hard for us to fathom.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: You have just spent nearly an hour... torturing and butchering
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a 19-year-old girl. You literally have a piece of her
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: skull resting in your pocket.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And you walk up to a government employee at a
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: front desk and sign your name on a piece of
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: paper as if you just got back from grabbing a burger.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Well, for a neurotypical brain, the adrenaline, the guilt, the
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: sheer panic would make it impossible to mask the trauma.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: But a psychopathic brain doesn't experience the physiological symptoms of guilt.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: They just don't feel it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They can compartmentalize the murder as a completed task,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: switch their persona back to compliant student, and sign the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: sheet without their hand even shaking.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And she doesn't try to lay low. She actively seeks
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: an audience.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Krista bursts right into her best friend Kim's dorm room.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Kim later testified that Krista unfolded this horrendous bloody story,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: absolutely paralyzing Kim with shock. Krista is complaining, saying the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: bleep wouldn't die.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: She brags about the mechanics of it. She details how
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: she cut Colleen's throat nine times and stabbed her in
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the back.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: And then to prove it wasn't just hyperbole, she reaches
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: into her pocket and proudly shows Kim the murder trophy,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the bloodied fragment of Colleen's skull.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And to cap off this surreal interaction, Krista looks at Kim,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: gives her that same smile, winks, and says, if you
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: tell anybody, I'll kill you too. Love ya. See you
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: in the morning.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: That is just, wow. Dr.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Haji points out how exceedingly rare this behavior is, even
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: among hardened, violent criminals. Most killers try to minimize their
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: involvement or hide the evidence out of self-preservation.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: But she's bragging about it minutes later. Right.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Bragging about a brutal murder to appear just minutes after
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the fact points to an ego of monumental proportions. In
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Krista's fractured reality, a successful murder wasn't a tragedy or
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a liability. It was a crowning achievement.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: She wasn't confessing to unburden her soul. She was showing
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: off her masterpiece.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And the way she delivered that threat to Kim,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: pairing a promise of murder with a wink and an
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I love you, shows how effortlessly she could weaponize affection
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: and terror in the exact same breath.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So the next morning, January 13th, the illusion shatters. A
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: passerby discovers Colleen's body near the edge of Tyson Park.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Detective Randy York of the Knoxville Police Department is assigned
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: as the lead investigator.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: He rides at the crime scene, and he's confronted with
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the sheer savagery of it. The carved pentagram, the slashed throat,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the massive blunt force trauma to the head.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: He immediately goes to the Job Corps Center to track
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Colleen's movements from the night before.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Right. He asks for the sign-out sheet, and right there,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: in black and white, is the fatal flaw in their
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: arrogant plan. Four people signed out at 8.50 p.m. Only
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: three signed back in.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: There was no return signature for Colleen Slemmer.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: York puts officers on the dorm room doors, executes a search,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and immediately finds the satanic altars, the dark literature, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the bloodstained clothes. The puzzle pieces snapped together instantly.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: The investigation was swift because the perpetrators felt entirely invincible.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: But when Krista is brought into the interrogation room, her
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: demeanor truly staggers seasoned detectives.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: How so?
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Well, Detective York later described her overall attitude as giddy.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: He said she seemed happy, almost to the point of
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: being silly, acting as though she had just accomplished something
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: great and was finally getting the recognition she deserved.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: She didn't even try to ask for a lawyer?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: She didn't invoke her right to remain silent at all.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: She didn't downplay her role. She physically acted out the
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: murder in the interrogation room.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: She acted it out? Yes.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: She would play the role of herself striking the blows,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and then she would literally get down on the floor
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: to play the role of Colleen begging for her life,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: mimicking her victim's final moments.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: That is insane. I mean, it defies comprehension. It's like
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: an actor enthusiastically pitching their own script to a director
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: in a casting room. Completely, totally detached from the reality
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that the script they are acting out is the actual
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: murder of a real human being.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: That analogy of an actor pitching a script is perfect
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: because it isolates the mechanism of her detachment. For Krista,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the interrogation room was just another stage.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: The detectives were just her audience.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Exactly. She was the star of the show, the director
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: and the lead actress. She thoroughly enjoyed reliving the torture
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: in that room because retelling it reinforced the incredible sense
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: of power she felt during the act.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And this detached, grandiose performance didn't end with her confession.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: It took center stage during the legal proceedings.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, it did.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Because you would think that bragging about keeping a piece
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: of someone's skull in your pocket would give a defense
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: attorney absolute nightmares. Oh, it did.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: When the state dragged Krista into the City-County building in
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Knoxville for her trial in 1996, The question wasn't if
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: she did it. The evidence was overwhelming.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: The question was how you possibly defend the psychological state
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of someone who behaved this way. Right.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: And if you thought the cold, austere reality of a
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: capital murder trial might finally sober Krista up, you would
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: be dead wrong.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Courtroom observers were deeply unsettled by her behavior. She was
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: seen laughing, giggling with her defense team, passing casual notes
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to her mother in the gallery, and cheerfully waving to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: people she recognized in the audience.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate manifestation of narcissistic supply. As one
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: legal commentator noted, she seemed to actively enjoy the celebrity
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: status the trial afforded her.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Because negative attention is still attention.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly. For her entire life, she was neglected, ignored, and abused.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Now the entire apparatus of the state justice system, the judge,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the jury, the prosecuting attorneys, the local media, were all
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: gathered in one room, and every single eye was focused
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: entirely on her.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: It gave her an identity and a sense of importance
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: she had craved her entire life. She reveled in the spotlight,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: completely oblivious to the solemnity of the room.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: And sitting in that same room, enduring that spectacle, is
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: May Martinez, Colleen's mother.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Talk about unimaginable beauty. superhuman strength.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: May has spoken about the unique agony of being a
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: victim's family member in a courtroom. Because you are explicitly
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: warned that you cannot show any outward emotion or the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: judge will have you removed so as not to bias
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the jury.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: She had to sit there, completely silent, utterly stoic, while
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the forensic details of her daughter's 45-minute torture were read
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: aloud into the public record.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: She had to sit with her hands folded while her
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: daughter's physical skull, clearly showing the missing fragment, was passed
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: from juror to juror.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: The psychological torture of having to suppress a mother's deepest
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: grief while the teenager who inflicted it is sitting 20
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: feet away, giggling with her lawyer, it is just horrifying.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: It is a profound secondary trauma inflicted by the legal
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: process itself. But we must carefully analyze the one moment
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: during the trial where Krista's giddy facade actually cracked.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: When was that?
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: When the prosecution brought out Colleen's skull and presented it
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: to the jury, observers noted that Krista sat at the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: defense table and began to cry.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Wait, really? She cried?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: She did. Now, we have to dissect those tears. Was
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: she suddenly overwhelmed by genuine remorse for the girl she butchered?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Then what was it?
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: In the context of severe psychopathy, those are tears of
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: self-pity or tears generated by an ego in crisis.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Because she saw the proof. Yes.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Seeing the undeniable, gruesome physical evidence of her brutality presented
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: in a sterile, brightly lit courtroom forced a momentary collision
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: with reality. She realized that this specific piece of bone
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: was the tangible proof that was going to send her
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: to the electric chair.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Ah, so she was crying for herself.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: She was mourning her own impending loss of freedom, not
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Colleen's loss of life.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And the jury saw right through the performance. They saw
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: through the giggling. And they saw through the self-serving tears.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: It took the jury just 90 minutes to find her
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: guilty of first-degree murder and sentence her to death by electrocution.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: And just to put a fine point on how clear-cut
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: this was, that 90 minutes actually included an hour-long break
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: for lunch.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: They deliberated for maybe 30 minutes. They saw absolutely zero
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: redeeming qualities in her.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: And Krista's immediate reaction to receiving the ultimate, final punishment
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: perfectly encapsulates her pathology. It does.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Within hours of being transferred back to her cell under
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: a sentence of death, she finds a pen and paper
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: and writes a letter to her co-conspirator to Daryl Shipp,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: who was tried separately as a minor.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: In this letter, there is zero reflection, zero remorse. She
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: is literally chuckling on the page, complaining to him, I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: tried to be nice to her, and look what they
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: did to me. That sucks.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Look what they did to me. The utter, profound lack
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: of accountability.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: She has just been sentenced to the electric chair for
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: holding a girl down while a pentagram was carved into
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: her chest and then smashing her head in with a rock.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: And her takeaway is that she's the victim of an unfair,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: mean system.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: It is breathtaking narcissism. Now, at this point in the timeline,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: you might assume that a death sentence and maximum security
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: confinement would finally put an end to Krista's violence.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Right. You put her in an unyielding concrete box and
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the threat is neutralized.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: You would be entirely wrong.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the terrifying reality of what happens
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: when a highly dangerous, manipulative individual realizes they have hit
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the absolute end of the road.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Krista is transferred to the Deborah K. Johnson Rehabilitation Center
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: in Nashville to sit on death row and await execution.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And because she's the only woman on death row in
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the entire state of Tennessee, she's placed in solitary confinement
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: for 23 hours a day. Her world is shrunk to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: a tiny cell.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: But then we fast forward a few years to August 2001.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: An unexpected emergency occurs. There is a fire in the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: prison facility.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: And because the guards are scrambling to evacuate and secure inmates,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: a massive, negligent operational mistake is made.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: They take three highly violent, volatile women and place them
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: into the same holding space to wait out the emergency.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: You have Krista Pike. You have her alleged prison lover,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a notorious inmate named Natasha Cornett, who was serving time
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: for her role in a high-profile string of murders.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: And you have a third convicted murderer named Patricia Jones...
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: who had a violent history of her own, including stabbing
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: an elderly woman.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: The interpersonal dynamics in that holding area were already a
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: powder keg. Patricia apparently did not like Natasha, and words
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: were exchanged.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: And Krista, ever the possessive protector of her property, decided
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: to intervene.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: When you compress individuals with extreme psychopathy and violent histories
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: into a confined space without a pressure valve, lethal conflict
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: is practically guaranteed. Krista simply saw an opportunity.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: What did she do?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: While Natasha took a swing at Patricia and missed, Krista
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: silently moved behind Patricia holding a shoelace. She quickly wrapped
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: it around Patricia's neck, pulled it taut, and tried to
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: strangle her to death right there on the concrete floor.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Using a shoelace? Yes.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: The prison guards only realized what was happening at the
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: last possible second. They barely managed to rip Krista off
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: of her. Medical staff actually had to jumpstart Patricia's breathing
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: to save her life.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And just like the aftermath of Colleen's murder... There was
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: zero attempt to hide her guilt or express remorse.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: None. Krista talked freely to anyone who would listen about
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  Speaker 2: the attempted murder, bragging, Yeah, I was trying to do it.
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  Speaker 2: You should have heard her gurgling.
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  Speaker 1: She was eventually convicted in 2004 of attempted first-degree murder
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  Speaker 1: for the shoelace attack and received an additional 25-year sentence
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  Speaker 1: slapped on top of her death sentence.
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  Speaker 2: But the physical violence wasn't the only tool she continued
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  Speaker 2: to wield. The manipulation evolved. Right.
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  Speaker 1: From inside her 23-hour-a-day solitary confinement, Krista begins writing letters
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  Speaker 1: to men outside the prison walls.
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  Speaker 2: And through this correspondence, she miraculously, successfully manipulates a male
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  Speaker 2: correctional officer into actively helping her execute an elaborate escape plot.
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  Speaker 1: The power dynamics at play here are truly staggering. Think
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  Speaker 1: about the logistical impossibility of this.
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  Speaker 2: She is locked in a box, stripped of all autonomy,
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  Speaker 2: monitored constantly.
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  Speaker 1: Yet her glib charm and manipulative prowess are so immense
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  Speaker 1: and so dangerous that she manages to convince a trained,
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  Speaker 1: sworn guard to risk his entire life.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: The plot was for him to take a physical key
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  Speaker 2: to the maximum security cells, smuggle it out, make a duplicate,
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  Speaker 2: and bring it back to her.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: And the ultimate goal, as her old friend Kim later
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: described it based on the letters... was for him to
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: break her out so they could run away and live
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  Speaker 1: happily ever after.
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  Speaker 2: Fortunately, the plot was uncovered before the breakout could happen,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and the guard was immediately fired and prosecuted.
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  Speaker 1: But it perfectly illustrates a terrifying psychological concept.
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  Speaker 2: It does. When a psychopath realizes they are already condemned
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  Speaker 2: to die, the traditional mechanisms of deterrence completely vanish. Right.
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  Speaker 1: If you were already sentenced to ride the lightning in
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the electric chair, what is another 25 years for choking
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  Speaker 1: an inmate?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. What is the penalty for a failed escape? Nothing.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: They develop an absolute nothing-to-lose mentality that makes them exponentially
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: more dangerous behind bars than they were on the street.
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  Speaker 2: And it forces you to pause and consider the terrifying
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  Speaker 2: reality of skilled manipulation.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: It really does. I mean, listener, think about this. If
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  Speaker 1: a convicted, highly publicized, incredibly violent murderer sitting in solitary
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  Speaker 1: confinement on death row can still weave a spell strong
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  Speaker 1: enough to charm a trained correctional officer into throwing away
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  Speaker 1: his career and his freeder.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: How vulnerable are everyday, well-intentioned people to skilled manipulators walking
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: around in the real world?
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: It is a deeply unsettling concept to sit with.
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  Speaker 2: It raises a profound question about the physical limits of
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: our containment strategies. Society operates on the assumption that placing
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: a criminal behind concrete and steel neutralizes their ability to
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: cause harm. We think the walls stop the threat.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: But individuals operating at this severe level of psychopathy, armed
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  Speaker 1: with this specific brand of self-serving manipulation, can weaponize almost
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: anyone they come into contact with. Exactly.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: For Krista, that correctional officer wasn't a person with a
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: life and a family. He was just another tool to
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: be used and discarded.
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  Speaker 1: No different than the meat cleaver or the piece of
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: broken asphalt she used in Tyson Park.
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  Speaker 2: People are merely instruments for her gratification and her goals.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: The walls contain her body, but they cannot contain her pathology.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: So as we pull back and look at the totality
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: of this case, what does this all mean? Let's distill
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the core mechanics of what we've uncovered today in this
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: deep dive.
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  Speaker 2: At its absolute center, this is the agonizing tragedy of
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Colleen Slemmer.
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  Speaker 1: She was a young, gentle, independent woman who just wanted
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: to learn how to operate computers, gain some autonomy, and
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: build a quiet life for herself.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: And by making the brave choice to move to Tennessee
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: to pursue that dream, she unknowingly stepped into the path
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  Speaker 2: of a deeply traumatized, entirely unrepentant psychopath.
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  Speaker 1: But crucially, she also stepped into a failing institutional environment
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  Speaker 1: at the Job Corps, a system that fundamentally, structurally allowed
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that predator to stalk its halls without consequence.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: The cascading systemic failures simply cannot be overstated. You have
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: an administrative body that makes a blind bureaucratic decision to
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: mix vulnerable, at-risk youth with hardened criminal youth.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Resulting in a disastrous ecological shift.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Exactly. You have a peer group that normalizes extreme, violent
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: rhetoric to the point of total paralysis when a real
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: death threat is announced.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And you have a deeply fractured individual whose severe compound
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: childhood trauma was entirely ignored by society, morphing a dormant biopsy.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: predisposition into a perfect lethal storm of sadism, grandiosity, and rage.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Every single safety net failed, Colleen.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: And that leaves us with a deeply provocative, heavy thought
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: for you to mull over. It does. As we listen
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to the incredible, enduring strength of May Martinez. who's vowed
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: to remain Colleen's voice until the state finally carries out
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the execution, an execution that has been repeatedly delayed by
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: appeals and the pandemic since 2020. It forces us to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: confront a really difficult structural question about the justice system
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: as a whole.
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  Speaker 2: If a person's neurological and psychological makeup is so fundamentally broken,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: so entirely devoid of empathy, that even the looming threat
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of the death chamber doesn't stop them from trying to
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  Speaker 2: kill again.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Is our system truly equipped to handle pure psychopathy?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: We build prisons to rehabilitate or to punish. But if
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: a brain cannot be rehabilitated, and if it does not
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: fear punishment, what are we doing?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Are we, at our absolute best, just warehousing pure danger
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: until it inevitably finds a crack and spills over, either
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: onto another inmate, a susceptible guard, or society at large?
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: It's a chilling thought.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: It brings us right back to the question we started with.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: When a system designed to give vulnerable people a second
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: chance accidentally engineers the perfect hunting ground, we have to
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: look incredibly closely at the blind spots that let the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: wolves slip through the gate.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Because the wolves are always out there.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: And they are always looking for a way in. Thank
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you so much for joining us on this deep dive.
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  Speaker 1: Stay curious, stay critical, and we'll see you next time.