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Bonus Episode: Happy Xmas (War Is Over) and Other Great Music History Christmas Moments · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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  Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: we are discussing the biggest Christmas moments from music history,
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  Speaker 1: Phil Spector and John Lennon, a massive new announcement from
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  Speaker 1: myself and the folks here at Double Elvis, and we
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  Speaker 1: get into your emails, comments, dms, and as always a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of This is the podcast for the musically obsessed,
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  Speaker 1: the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best
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  Speaker 1: history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where
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  Speaker 1: I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind
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  Speaker 1: you'll end up telling someone else. All Right, this goes,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into it. Two days ago I heard a
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  Speaker 1: Christmas song I never heard before, and it stopped me
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  Speaker 1: in my tracks. I was scrolling Instagram and up pop
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  Speaker 1: the reel with the performer singing his ass off and
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  Speaker 1: feeling every note of the song and every fiber of
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  Speaker 1: his being. I went immediately to Spotify to hear the
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  Speaker 1: full tune, and by the time the course hit no joke,
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  Speaker 1: my eyes were tearing up. This song was Christmas Must
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  Speaker 1: Be Tonight by the band Rick Danko's voice in this tune.
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  Speaker 1: It's got so much more in it, just the effortless
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  Speaker 1: kind of emotion, not the contrived kind. And the story
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  Speaker 1: the lyrics about a man witnessing the birth of Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: witnessing a miracle. It's gutting, and of course it's the band,
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  Speaker 1: So the feel that the song has is as powerful
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  Speaker 1: as the vocal in the lyrics. When the tune ended,
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  Speaker 1: I had that great feeling that we're all very familiar with,
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  Speaker 1: the feeling of Catharsis, of exhilaration, that feeling that only
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  Speaker 1: great music can provide, and that revelation, that holy shit moment.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as it faded, I felt something else. I
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  Speaker 1: felt stupidity. If this song was so great, how come
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  Speaker 1: I never heard it before. It's not like it was
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  Speaker 1: from some obscure artist I'm unfamiliar with. This is the
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  Speaker 1: band we're talking about. I just spent an entire week
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  Speaker 1: and a half blabbing about the band with you guys
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  Speaker 1: here and on Patreon and social during the Thanksgiving holiday.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a reason other than to say that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we can't be aware of every thing. This song,
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  Speaker 1: Christmas Must Be Tonight. It's on the band's last album
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  Speaker 1: with Robbie robertson a record called Islands. And you know
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  Speaker 1: this nineteen seventy seven album, it's not that great. It's
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  Speaker 1: not really an album either. It's a collection of previously
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  Speaker 1: recorded outtakes, of which Christmas Must Be Tonight is one.
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  Speaker 1: The tomb is recorded as a single in nineteen seventy five,
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  Speaker 1: and the brain trust at Capitol Records decided that it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't good enough to release, so the song didn't see
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  Speaker 1: the light until a couple of years later, when it
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  Speaker 1: was buried into the sequencing of the album called Islands
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  Speaker 1: at the end of side one, an album released by
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  Speaker 1: a band that was over Okay, Islands comes out after
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  Speaker 1: the Last Waltz and you know, after Robbie Robertson, the
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  Speaker 1: band's primary songwriter, had left and made it clear that
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  Speaker 1: he didn't want anything else to do with the band.
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  Speaker 1: Little side note, We've done a lot of band talk,
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  Speaker 1: like I just said, and we've never really dove into
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  Speaker 1: the beef between Levon Helm and Robbie Robertson and what
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  Speaker 1: it was that Levon accused Robbie of doing to him
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  Speaker 1: and the rest of the members of the band. It's ugly, murky,
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  Speaker 1: and I've always avoided this story because I like to
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  Speaker 1: keep these guys pure in my mind. But today, in
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  Speaker 1: the exclusive section of this after party, I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 1: Zeth take me through these accusations and the ins and
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  Speaker 1: outs of this saga, and we're going to look into
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  Speaker 1: what Levon said and what Robbie did or did not do.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully we learn a thing or two that's coming up
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  Speaker 1: at the end of this episode. Go to its grace
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  Speaker 1: all right, back to the excellent band holiday tune, Christmas
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  Speaker 1: must be Tonight. The fact that the song was released
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  Speaker 1: after the band was done is unfortunate because I can
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  Speaker 1: see an alternate reality where Christmas Must Be Tonight is
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  Speaker 1: a massive hit. It's that great, and when you listen
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  Speaker 1: to it, you can easily imagine it being released as
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  Speaker 1: a single and hitting as a single, and working its
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  Speaker 1: way into the zeitgeist of late seventies rock and roll
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  Speaker 1: music and culture, and ultimately becoming a cultural touch point
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  Speaker 1: that we returned to every holiday season, like we do
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  Speaker 1: with Mariah Carey or Wham and Sir Paul and so
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  Speaker 1: many others. But Christmas Must Be Tonight it never had
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  Speaker 1: its moment, and so it remains buried in the basement
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  Speaker 1: of music history. But the song got me thinking about
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  Speaker 1: other great Christmas moments for music history, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: fun topic because there are many. There's the release of
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  Speaker 1: this week's full episode subject Phil Spector's genius Christmas album,
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  Speaker 1: A Christmas Gift for You, released on November twenty second,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, the day President John F. Kennedy was shot.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about this obviously in this week's full episode
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  Speaker 1: on Phil. It's a crazy story. Phil's album ended up
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  Speaker 1: giving birth to another great music history moment, come much
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  Speaker 1: later Christmas moment, I should say, and that was the
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  Speaker 1: tradition of singer Darlene Love, the tradition she created by
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  Speaker 1: performing her great version of the specter produced Merry Christmas, Baby,
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  Speaker 1: Please Come Home every year on David Letterman Show here
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  Speaker 1: in the United States, a tradition that I got to say,
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  Speaker 1: I really miss It was great. I loved it. I
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  Speaker 1: looked forward to it every year. It's fantastic. There's also
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  Speaker 1: John Lennon in Yoko Ono's excellent protest song Happy Christmas
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  Speaker 1: War Is Over, released on December one, nineteen seventy one.
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  Speaker 1: Now that was a moment for sure. The song came
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  Speaker 1: with billboards, and it came with a bunch of blowback
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  Speaker 1: and consternation from American radio stations who refused to play
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  Speaker 1: the song at first anyways, because they thought it was
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  Speaker 1: too political, you know. But eventually it warmed its way
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  Speaker 1: into the zeitgeist, and now it returns to us every
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  Speaker 1: holiday season, and the lyrics are quite humbling and pretty
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  Speaker 1: great still to this day. And then, of course there's
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  Speaker 1: the granddaddy of weird Christmas music history moments from nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy seven, where David Bowie appeared with Bing Crosby to
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  Speaker 1: duet on the Little Drummer Boy slash Peace on Earth,
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  Speaker 1: a moment that I think a lot of us are
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  Speaker 1: still trying to figure out. Anyways, these great Christmas moments,
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  Speaker 1: holiday moments, whatever you want to call them, from music history,
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  Speaker 1: they help shape how we all experience the holiday season
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  Speaker 1: to this day, and I'm grateful for it, even if
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  Speaker 1: I don't wake up every December clamoring to hear Bowie
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  Speaker 1: and Bing's version of a tune that I never really
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  Speaker 1: liked that much to begin with. But nonetheless, I am,
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  Speaker 1: like most people, a creature of habit, and I get
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  Speaker 1: nostalgic just like you guys. And also, like most people,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of our cultural traditions, so it's interesting
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  Speaker 1: to think about how much music influences those traditions. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it's too bad that the band's Christmas Must Be Tonight
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  Speaker 1: never had its moment, and that this great song that
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  Speaker 1: it's not part of our larger cultural tradition every holiday season.
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  Speaker 1: But who knows. Maybe the Internet is about to do
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  Speaker 1: its thing and shine a new light on this tune.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe its moment is coming. Maybe we're part of
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of it right now. I don't know, but
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  Speaker 1: I highly recommend that you guys give this man tune
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  Speaker 1: a spin this holiday season. Whether you've heard it or not.
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  Speaker 1: If you've heard it before, go check it out. If
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  Speaker 1: you have not heard it, check it out. You won't
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  Speaker 1: be disappointed. Okay, So, speaking of John and Yoko, This week,
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  Speaker 1: December eighth is the anniversary of John Lennon's death, which
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  Speaker 1: is in part why we're featuring our London episodes in
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  Speaker 1: the rewind spot coming out right after this bonus episode.
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  Speaker 1: We also chose these rewind episodes because of John's connection
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  Speaker 1: to Phil Specter. This week's full episode subject of Disgraceland.
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  Speaker 1: Next week we're featuring Shame McGown and the Feed And
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  Speaker 1: well that's obviously because of The Pogue's excellent Christmas tune,
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  Speaker 1: one of, if not the greatest Christmas tune of all,
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  Speaker 1: fairy Tale of New York. What do you guys are
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  Speaker 1: listening to this story? Be thinking about which Christmas songs
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  Speaker 1: recorded by musicians from the rock or punk or funk
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  Speaker 1: or country or rap genres? You know, the genre we
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  Speaker 1: deal with the most. Which songs from these artists move
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  Speaker 1: you the most? Is it The Pogue's fairy Tale of
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  Speaker 1: New York or any of the others that I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: so far as it's something a bit more esoteric, like
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  Speaker 1: James Brown Santa Claus Goes Straight to the Ghetto, or
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  Speaker 1: Pretty Paper by Willie Nelson, or maybe even that great
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  Speaker 1: collab between Dolomite and Easy E entitled Merry motherfucking Exmas.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like, I was just thinking, we talk about
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  Speaker 1: this every year, we talk about great Christmas Christmas music,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to know what the songs are that
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  Speaker 1: just got you the Christmas songs Like I'm telling you, man,
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  Speaker 1: that band song, it's like it opened a vein. I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to sit there, my wife and my oldest son.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying not to cry. It was so fucking emotional.
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  Speaker 1: It's just incredible. Rick Danko, Man, So what are those songs?
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  Speaker 1: Christmas is a super emotional time, and I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's it's the emotion is heightened by the music. What
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  Speaker 1: are those songs that really you know, Yeah, I guess
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  Speaker 1: if you want to, you want to hit me back,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, talk about Irving Berlin or Bing Crosby
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. That's fine, or Sinatra, But you know, what
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  Speaker 1: are the ones that we may not be familiar with,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like like the ones I mentioned, like the
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  Speaker 1: Dole Might Easy Thing, the James Brown, Santa Clauso, Straight
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  Speaker 1: to the Ghetto, Pretty Paper by Willie Nelson. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of the obscure ones by rock and classic rock and
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  Speaker 1: country and hip hop artists that that really resonate and
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  Speaker 1: means something to you. All Right, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: without further ado, here is a clip from our new
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  Speaker 1: I went back and I looked. It's the best mixtape
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  Speaker 1: inside of a movie that I that I've ever come across,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it feels like it's a long tape when
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  Speaker 1: you think of the impact of it, but it's actually
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  Speaker 1: pretty short. It's Jumping the Fire by Harry Nilsson. Then
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  Speaker 1: it goes to Memo from Turner. The Mick Jagger version,
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  Speaker 1: however incorrectly credited in the soundtrack as a Rolling Stone song.
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  Speaker 1: It's actual interesting Mick Jagger version. Then it goes into
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  Speaker 1: like a couple of seconds of the live version of
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  Speaker 1: Magic Bus by The Who, and then it goes into
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  Speaker 1: Monkey Man and then What Is Life by George Harrison.
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  Speaker 1: You kind of feel like he's getting away with it,
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  Speaker 1: like he's getting away with it, and then Managed Boy
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  Speaker 1: by Muddy Waters, and then of course the writing's.
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  Speaker 3: On the wall for him to hill, but hang on.
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  Speaker 3: The best part about that whole stretch, for me, at least,
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  Speaker 3: my favorite part is in between Monkey Man and What
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  Speaker 3: Is Life. There's just the briefest clip of Muddy Waters
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  Speaker 3: at the beginning of Man is Boy going, yes, everything,
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  Speaker 3: everything is going to be all right.
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  Speaker 1: That's it, everything, everything be all right this morning to.
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  Speaker 3: Shot and then into What Is Life? And you're like,
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  Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on here?
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  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right? And you know in that Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: we need to talk about Scorsese's approach here Before Goodfellas,
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  Speaker 1: Scorsese is famously the guy because of mean streets. He's
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  Speaker 1: famously the guy who uses rock and roll to express emotion,
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  Speaker 1: to use rock and roll songs pop songs to express
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  Speaker 1: emotion in film as opposed to using score. There's okay.
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  Speaker 1: So by the time he gets to Goodfellas, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's already gone through and he's worked up the script
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  Speaker 1: with Nicholas Plegi and he's got like he's indicating in
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  Speaker 1: the margins what songs he wants. And I read an
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  Speaker 1: interview with the music editor for the film where he
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  Speaker 1: said that Scorsese knew two years in advance what songs
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: exactly he wanted playing in which frames of the film.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: He was putting it in the script. He was like,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: put cream sunshin on your love heat.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Right, like exactly's rereading the rip. It's just as shine
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I love. It's just said add cream. Yeah, He's like,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: what the fuck do you mean? Ad cream? He's like, dun, dun.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting when I read this thing about
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the music editor from Goodfellas making a big deal of
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the fact that Scorsese knew exactly what songs he wanted
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: in the film two years in advance, it didn't strike
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: me as being strange. I was just like, well, yeah,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: that's how you fucking do it, dude, right right, But
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: it's not how you do it. I mean, I've actually
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I've worked on indie films and stuff. I have music
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: supervised stuff and did music for a film, a Parker
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Posi film, and the director, who was a friend, he
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: was basically like, I don't know shit about music. You
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: figure it out. And I feel like that's an approach
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: that a lot of directors have.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: I think you're right, But remember that Scorsese started I
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: mean One of his first major gigs was the Woodstock movie,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: which he's credited for now as an editor. But I
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: believe at the time this was in that that mister
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Squarstase documentary was on Apple recently. He was like the
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: second director of that movie. So like he's he's creating
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: that movie. He's cutting that movie with music at the
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: forefront of his mind.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly, and he's obviously he's surrounded by great
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: live music, Santana's Slashton and all that stuff. Yeah, but
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: this is after he grows up. And this is the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: good thing about Goodfellas. It really feels like a like
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know it was growing up in my small town.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: It was very much like this where you know, we
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: all hung out on this main drag, right and you
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: would just hear there just be this soundtrack constantly, cars
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: driving by. People still carry boomboxes around. I'm not trying
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: to make it sound like I grew up in the Bronx.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't. But music was kind of like it was
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: more in the air then than it is now.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Everyone's got you know, EarPods on and right, you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: right in their little pods and their cars and whatever
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: it just it was. It was different then, and and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was much different in a much
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: more extreme version of what I just explained in a tiny,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: little sort of you know, two block stretch of downtown
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: New York where Martin Scorsese grew up in the nineteen
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: sixties and that sort of like jukebox system that he
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: was living in. Yeah, and that's what that movie feels
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: like all the way throughout the beginning. I mean, the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: first you know, the opening is you know, by the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: time he blows up the cars, you've already whipped through
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like your ears are just on fire from all the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: incredible soundtracking that's going on.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a radio station, you know, it's just
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: like switching the channels. It's do up zach groups, It's
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: it's Italian, It's it's all over the place.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: But it's what he would have heard, right, and he's
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: so fearless with his music choices. All right, guys, that
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  Speaker 1: Christmas music on the brain this month. As always every December,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: let's hear from mister Taylor from North Carolina. Matt play
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the nine one six, Yike, this.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Is mister Taylor from North Carolina calling to answer the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: question of the best Christmas songs. Look, you already said it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Darlene loves Christmas Baby, Please come home. It is the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: best Christmas song of all time, Christmas music inside, it's
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: just an excellent, excellent masterpiece of a song. Fotus points
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: for its use in Goodfellows. So that's my answer. But
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I will say, as you kid, growing up in the nineties, man,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Christmas music was bad, really bad. Carry I'm pretty sure
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: is playing on repeat in the waiting room in hell.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: The nineties featured a bunch of really great artists whose
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: careers had stalled out, all trying to get one last
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: cash grab by doing Christmas songs and trying to get on.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Now that's what I call Christmas twenty six. So I
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: askeewed Christmas music for a very long time, but as
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: a father of for I know now that Christmas music
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: is a requirement. So I took it upon myself to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: try and go out and find Christmas music that I liked,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Christmas music that I felt was of the quality that
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I required. So I mean, look, there's a lot of
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: good music out there. I will say I've stretched the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: definition a little bit. You know, songs that include sleigh
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: bells I think are Christmas music, right, God only knows.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: By the Beach.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Boys ben Folds five, those are like that sounds like
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: a vince Garaldi Christmas song. Songs that even include references
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: to Christmas leave On by Elton John he was born
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: on a Christmas Day. Another benfold Five song, Brick starts
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: with you know, six am, day after Christmas, or even
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: just songs like Jeff Buckley's Hallelujah. Man. If that isn't Christmas,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know what is. So I'm curiated a playlist
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: for my family. It plays on repeat all December long,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: and hopefully my kids will have a better view as
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: they grow up of Christmas music. But that's up to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: them to figure out.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: That's all I got.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukhat all the discos, Rock and
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Roller to you, Jake, Santa Claus wants some Loven thank you.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: You know, I've never really thought about Christmas music by decade.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. I can't say for certain whether the nineties
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: were as bad as you as you say, just be
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: thinking about it quickly. Nothing's coming to mind from the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: nineties that really blows me away. I guess. I guess
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of good stuff from the eighties. You
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: might be onto something here. And I love the broadening
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: of the Christmas music definition just including sleigh bells. Yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I can see God Only Knows as a as a
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Christmas song, and Levon and Hallelujah as well. I kind
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: of like what you're doing here, man, You're kind of
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: opening up this topic of songs. And aren't Christmas songs
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: but our Christmas songs? What are the diehards of Christmas songs?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I love this. That might be a question of the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: week for next week. I don't know. We shall see.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Thanks to the call I appreciate it. Thanks for the voicemail.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: All right, let's check out this one from the eight
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: one to five.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, this is Matt Callin from the eight one
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: to five finished Phil Specter episode, and you had asked
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: for recommendations for Christmas Munich. One of my all time
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: favorite Christmas songs. It's a fifteen minute song by Sophia
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: and Stevens called the Christmas Unicorn, and the first half
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: of the song is actually the Christmas Unicorn, but the
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: second half he covers level terroist Apart by Joy Division.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Please check it out. You will not be disappointed. All right,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Very Christmas, Happy Holidays, Rock and ROLLO.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Eight one five. I've never heard the song. You've got
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: me very excited to hear it. Yeah, Joy Division, Level
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Terrorists Apart is a Christmas song. Uh yeah, I don't
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: know how, but I'm excited to check it out. I'll
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: report back next week. Thank you. Six one seven nine
• 25:23
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• 25:26
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• 25:30
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• 25:34
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• 25:38
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• 25:43
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• 25:46
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• 25:50
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• 25:57
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• 26:10
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• 26:15
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• 27:21
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• 28:06
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• 28:14
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• 29:47
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