Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Rex Heuermann Admits to Killing 8 Women
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Picture a courtroom. It's a Riverhead, New York, April eighth,
- 0:05twenty twenty six, right, and the Suffa County courtroom is
- 0:08just packed to the absolute brim. I mean, you have
- 0:10victims' families who have been waiting literally decades for this
- 0:14exact moment.
- 0:14Speaker 2: Yeah, decades of waiting exactly.
- 0:16Speaker 1: You have law enforcement officials who spent their entire careers
- 0:19chasing a ghost. You've got media from around the globe,
- 0:23and even the defendant's ex wife is sitting right there
- 0:26in the gallery.
- 0:27Speaker 2: Wow.
- 0:28Speaker 1: But despite the sheer mass of humanity in this room,
- 0:30it is deathly silent. Standing before judge, Timothy Pimaze is
- 0:35a sixty two year old man. He's wearing a dark suit,
- 0:38a crisp white shirt, and a blue pattern tie.
- 0:41Speaker 2: He looks like a business van.
- 0:42Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks exactly like what it used to be.
- 0:44An architect. Just a guy who commuted on the Long
- 0:47Island Railroad into midtown Manhattan every single morning, A guy
- 0:51from the suburbs.
- 0:52Speaker 2: Completely unremarkable. I mean, a man basically designed to blend
- 0:55into the background of a morning train commute. You know,
- 0:58is reading the paper, holding a brief case.
- 1:00Speaker 1: Right, But then District Attorney Raymond A. Tyranny stands up
- 1:04and the silence breaks as he begins to read names,
- 1:07eight names, eight women.
- 1:09Speaker 2: It's chilling, and.
- 1:11Speaker 1: For every single name, the sixty two year old former
- 1:13architect is asked a simple, horrifying question, how did you
- 1:17cause her death? And eight separate times, his answer is
- 1:20just this cold, flat, one word response, this one word yeah. Strangulation. Strangulation, strangulation. Unbelievable.
- 1:28So how does a seemingly ordinary suburban dad, you know,
- 1:32a guy who measures square footage and files permits for
- 1:34a living, commit decades of calculated, horrific murders today? Our
- 1:40mission for this deep dive is to unpack the sprawling,
- 1:43complex and just incredibly dark thirty year history of the
- 1:46Gilgo Beach serial killer case.
- 1:48Speaker 2: It's such a massive case, it really is.
- 1:50Speaker 1: So Welcome to the deep dive. We're glad you're here
- 1:51with us. We're going to examine how a monster hid
- 1:54behind this mask of mundane normalcy and how the system
- 1:57eventually caught up to him.
- 1:59Speaker 2: That is the central paradox of this entire case. Really,
- 2:02to understand the sheer brutality of the crimes he confessed to.
- 2:05We first have to examine that perfectly constructed mask. We
- 2:08have to look at how his day to day life
- 2:11wasn't just a cover. It was an active training ground
- 2:15for what he was doing in the dark.
- 2:16Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this, because I want to start right there.
- 2:19At the time of his arrest back in July twenty
- 2:21twenty three, Rex Heyerman was running a firm called RH
- 2:25Consultants and Associates. His office was right near the Empire
- 2:28State Building in Manhattan, and he was a licensed architect.
- 2:32But from what I understand looking at the sources, he
- 2:34wasn't exactly like designing sweeping skyscraper, no, none at all.
- 2:38His specific job was essentially navigating New York City building codes.
- 2:44Can you explain what that actually means in the context
- 2:46of his personality?
- 2:47Speaker 2: Absolutely, And it is a crucial distinction. In New York
- 2:50City real estate, there's this specialized role often called an
- 2:53expedite or a code compliance architect. Okay, and New York
- 2:56City has arguably the most dense, byzantine and contradictory set
- 3:01of building codes and zoning laws on the planet. I
- 3:03can only imagine, Oh, it's a labyrinth of red tape.
- 3:06So Huerman's entire professional existence was based on understanding that
- 3:11labyrinth better than anyone else. His clients hired him to
- 3:14figure out exactly how to navigate these really rigid rules.
- 3:18Speaker 1: Right, So he's looking for loopholes exactly.
- 3:20Speaker 2: He had to look for structural workarounds, obsess over microscopic details,
- 3:25and find ways to make his client's demands fit within
- 3:28a rigid, unforgiving system.
- 3:30Speaker 1: I have this analogy rolling around in my head about this.
- 3:33In New York City real estate, knowing the building code
- 3:36loopholes is how you win, Right. You find the gray
- 3:39areas on you find the blind spots that the city
- 3:42inspectors aren't looking at, Like if you change a window,
- 3:44the plumbing inspector doesn't care because information is siloed.
- 3:47Speaker 2: Right.
- 3:48Speaker 1: I just can't help but compare his knowledge of architectural
- 3:51loopholes to his ability to find loopholes in law enforcements radar,
- 3:56Like did his literal profession actively train him to be
- 3:59a better press editor.
- 4:00Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how perfectly your analogy aligns with
- 4:04the psychological profile of an organized serial killer. Yeah, so
- 4:08when criminologists and the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit look at
- 4:11serial predators, they generally divide them into disorganized and organized typologies. Okay,
- 4:17disorganized killers often act on impulse. Their crimes are crimes
- 4:23of sudden passion or opportunity. Their crime scenes are chaotic,
- 4:27They leave massive amounts of physical evidence behind.
- 4:30Speaker 1: Because they're panicking or just not thinking.
- 4:31Speaker 2: Ahead exactly, And they often struggle to maintain steady employment
- 4:35or relationships because their internal world is just as chaotic
- 4:38as their crimes.
- 4:39Speaker 1: So they are the ones who get caught relatively quickly
- 4:41because they are leaving a trail of obvious mistakes precisely.
- 4:45Speaker 2: But organized killers are the opposite. They exhibit above average intelligence,
- 4:50They hold down stable, often highly demanding jobs, are.
- 4:53Speaker 1: Running an architectural firm in Manhattan.
- 4:55Speaker 2: Right, and they maintain the facade of a completely normal
- 4:58family life. Above all, they're driven by an extreme need
- 5:02for control.
- 5:02Speaker 1: Wow.
- 5:03Speaker 2: Ohreman's profession required him to anticipate how systems work, and
- 5:07more importantly, how systems fail.
- 5:09Speaker 1: That is terrifying.
- 5:11Speaker 2: It is he knew how to compartmentalize. He knew how
- 5:14to keep a clean, fully compliant set of blueprints for
- 5:17the public eye, while the actual structure hidden behind the
- 5:20drywall was entirely different.
- 5:22Speaker 1: Oh man. That's exactly it.
- 5:24Speaker 2: He applied that exact same methodology to his double life.
- 5:28The Massapicko Park suburb, the commute, the wife and kids.
- 5:31That was the public blueprint right the front. But the
- 5:33burner phones, the hidden digital files, the dark web searches,
- 5:37that was the hidden reality.
- 5:38Speaker 1: And we really saw that public blueprint fracture over time
- 5:42because the contrast in his behavior from his arrest to
- 5:46his plea deal is just jarring.
- 5:47Speaker 2: It's a total one to eighty.
- 5:48Speaker 1: Yeah. When he was first arrested in July twenty twenty
- 5:51three outside his Midtown office, the reports say he was tearful,
- 5:55he looked shocked. He seemed like an overwhelmed suburban guy
- 5:59whose world had just ended. But fast forward to April
- 6:02twenty twenty six, and his demeanor in that Riverhead courtroom
- 6:05is completely different. Police Commissioner Kevin Catalina actually described his
- 6:09courtroom presence as serene, almost grandfatherly.
- 6:12Speaker 2: Yes, But Catalina immediately follow that up by calling it.
- 6:15Speaker 1: A lie, right exactly, He called it out immediately. He
- 6:18said that serene demeanor was just a mask, exposing him
- 6:21as a sadistic, soulless, murderous monster. But help me understand
- 6:26that psychological shift, Like, how do you go from crying
- 6:29on the sidewalk to calmly confessing to eight murders with
- 6:33a grandfatherly smile.
- 6:34Speaker 2: Well, that grandfatherly calmness is a display of ultimate control.
- 6:38When he was first arrested in Midtown, the loss of
- 6:41control was absolute and sudden.
- 6:43Speaker 1: It caught him off guard exactly.
- 6:45Speaker 2: The tears were likely not remorse for the victims. They
- 6:48were the shock of his meticulously built walls suddenly collapsing
- 6:51around him. It was self pity. But by the time
- 6:54of the plea deal nearly three years later, he had recalibrated.
- 6:57He was back in control of the narrative.
- 6:59Speaker 1: Ah, because he's the one making the choice to plead
- 7:01bulky right.
- 7:02Speaker 2: He was the one deciding to end the legal battle.
- 7:04He was the one calmly dispensing the word strangulation. He
- 7:08wasn't crying anymore because he had fundamentally accepted the situation
- 7:11and found a way to exert his dominance over the
- 7:13courtroom environment.
- 7:15Speaker 1: That level of calculation is just terrifying, And to fully
- 7:18understand the depth of that calculation, we have to look
- 7:21at the people he targeted. Horreman's meticulous nature allowed him
- 7:25to hide in plain sight, but it also directly informed
- 7:28how he selected and exploited his victims.
- 7:31Speaker 2: Yes, geography and methodology.
- 7:33Speaker 1: Right when I look at the geographic details and the sources,
- 7:37I realize we need to set the scene for you
- 7:39listening right now. If you aren't familiar with Long.
- 7:40Speaker 2: Island, geogracy is destiny. In this case, It's absolutely essential
- 7:44to understand the landscape.
- 7:45Speaker 1: So Long Island is essentially a giant sand bar stretching
- 7:49out from New York City into the Atlantic Ocean. You
- 7:52have the mainland, which is full of dense, crowded suburbs,
- 7:55places like Massapequa Park where Horrorman lived, very typical suburbia. Yeah.
- 8:00Then to the south you have these barrier islands. And
- 8:03running along those barrier islands is Ocean Parkway. It is
- 8:07a desolate, wind swept strip of road separated from the
- 8:11mainland by marshland in the Great South Bay. It's incredibly isolated.
- 8:16It's covered in dense, tangled brush and brambles. It's very
- 8:19unforgiving terrain, even though it's just miles from millions of people.
- 8:23You can pull over on the side of that road
- 8:25at three am and feel like you're at the end
- 8:27of the earth.
- 8:27Speaker 2: And that is exactly why he chose it. It was
- 8:30his personal, carefully scouted graveyard. But what is critical to
- 8:34note is that he didn't start there, or at least
- 8:37his methodology for disposal evolved over time, just as his
- 8:41methods for murder evolved.
- 8:42Speaker 1: Yeah. I was looking at the timeline of the victims
- 8:45and it is a massive, sprawling history. Let's walk through
- 8:49the early era first, because it feels very different from
- 8:51what came later.
- 8:51Speaker 2: It does.
- 8:52Speaker 1: The earliest confirmed victim is Sandra Costilla. She was twenty
- 8:56eight years old, originally from Trinidad and Tobago, living in
- 8:59New York City. She disappeared around November nineteen ninety.
- 9:02Speaker 2: Three, over thirty years ago.
- 9:03Speaker 1: Yeah, and her body was found by hunters the very
- 9:06next day in a wooded area in north Sea, which
- 9:09is out in the Hamptons. That's about sixty miles east
- 9:11of Gilgo Beach. And crucially, the source's note she suffered
- 9:15sharp force injuries.
- 9:17Speaker 2: Right, the geography and the pathology there are completely distinct
- 9:21from his later crimes. North Sea is heavily wooded, but
- 9:24it isn't the desolate marchland of the Barrier Islands right right,
- 9:29and sharforce trauma indicates a highly physical, potentially chaotic encounter.
- 9:33Speaker 1: Okay, let me jump forward a few years. We have
- 9:36Karen Viergatta, thirty four years old from Manhattan. She vanished
- 9:40around Valentine's Day in nineteen ninety six, and her case
- 9:44is horrifying from a forensic standpoint. Yes, her remains were
- 9:48completely scattered. Her severed legs were found in a garbage
- 9:51bag on Fire Island in April nineteen ninety six, but
- 9:54her skull and teeth weren't found until twenty eleven miles
- 9:57away at to Bay Beach.
- 9:59Speaker 2: Virgatta's case really highlights the grim reality of the geography
- 10:03out there. When remains are deposited in those coastal environments,
- 10:06they're subjected to tidal shifts, storms and animal scavengers.
- 10:09Speaker 1: Just scatters everything.
- 10:11Speaker 2: Right. From a forensic anthropology perspective, this complicates the timeline exponentially.
- 10:15It forces investigators to piece together a map that the
- 10:18ocean is actively trying to erase, and.
- 10:20Speaker 1: We see that dismemberment pattern continue. Right.
- 10:22Speaker 2: Valerie Mack, who was twenty four and a mother of
- 10:25a young son, vanished in two thousand while living in Philadelphia.
- 10:29Her partial remains were found in Manerville, which is mainland
- 10:32Long Island in the Pine barrens in two thousand and then.
- 10:35Speaker 1: More parts were found near Gilgo Beach eleven years later.
- 10:38Then you have Jessica Taylor, twenty years old, vanished in
- 10:41July two thousand and three. Her torso was found in
- 10:44Manerville a top scrap wood.
- 10:46Speaker 2: And the detail about her tattoo is significant.
- 10:49Speaker 1: Yes, the killer had actually gone to the length of
- 10:52mutilating a specific tattoo on her body to hinder identification.
- 10:56Her skull and hands were later found at Gilgo in
- 10:59twenty eleven.
- 11:00Speaker 2: Notice the extreme effort he's putting into obscuring the identities
- 11:04and severing the connections between the crimes during this nineteen
- 11:07ninety six to two thousand and three era.
- 11:09Speaker 1: He's working so hard at it.
- 11:10Speaker 2: He's moving body parts across different jurisdictions, Fire Island, Manorville, Gilgo,
- 11:14He's mutilating identifying Marx. He is deeply paranoid about the
- 11:18remains leading back to him.
- 11:19Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because there is a very disturbing discrepancy.
- 11:22I noticed, how was that so Santra Costilla in nineteen
- 11:25ninety three suffered sharp force injuries. The victims from nineteen
- 11:29ninety six to two thousand and three were dismembered. But
- 11:31in that Riverhead courtroom, when he was asked how he
- 11:33killed the women, he repeated the word strangulation eight times
- 11:37if he was using sharp force injuries early on and
- 11:40then going through the massive effort of dismemberment. But his
- 11:43final answer was strangulation across the board. What does that
- 11:47tell us? Does a serial killer's methodology naturally evolve? Or
- 11:51is Castilla a horrific example of a predator's learning curve.
- 11:55Speaker 2: That is a vital observation, and it goes right to
- 11:57the heart of how an organized killer's psychology develops over.
- 12:01Speaker 1: Decades, So they do change their methods.
- 12:04Speaker 2: Yes, methodology evolves. The early crimes of a serial predator
- 12:08are often less refined. I use that word purely in
- 12:11the clinical forensic sense, right of course. In nineteen ninety three,
- 12:14with Castilla, sharp force injuries suggest a messier encounter. It
- 12:19leaves more biological evidence, it requires a different, more unpredictable
- 12:23type of physical engagement.
- 12:24Speaker 1: It's riskier.
- 12:25Speaker 2: Exactly by the time he gets to his later victims,
- 12:27he has transitioned exclusively to strangulation. Strangulation is an incredibly intimate,
- 12:32hands on and control oriented method of murder. It's quieter,
- 12:36it leaves a very different, often smaller, forensic footprint, and.
- 12:40Speaker 1: What about the shift away from dismemberment.
- 12:42Speaker 2: Dismemberment is incredibly labor intensive. It requires a secure location,
- 12:47time specific tools, and it generates a massive amount of
- 12:50physical evidence blood, tissue, tool marks, stuff the killer then
- 12:55has to clean up.
- 12:55Speaker 1: That makes sense. It's too much work, too much risk.
- 12:58Speaker 2: It is risky. As he aged and as he became
- 13:00more confident in his disposal site along Ocean Parkway, he
- 13:04streamlined his process, which.
- 13:05Speaker 1: Brings us to the era of what became known globally
- 13:08as the GILG four. These women went missing between twenty
- 13:12seven and twenty ten. Maureen Brainerd Barnes, twenty five years old.
- 13:16She was a mother of two who had received an
- 13:18eviction notice and was just trying to support her family.
- 13:21Speaker 2: So tragic.
- 13:22Speaker 1: Melissa Bartholemy twenty four years old, who vanished in July
- 13:25two thousand and nine. Megan Waterman, twenty two, a victim
- 13:28of sex trafficking with a young daughter, vanished in June
- 13:30twenty ten, and Amber Lynn Costello twenty seven, who vanished
- 13:34in September twenty ten. She was struggling with severe heroin
- 13:37addiction and had survived childhood sexual assault. She left her
- 13:41home after a client offered her twenty five hundred dollars.
- 13:44And with these four, the methodology completely changed. They weren't dismembered.
- 13:47They were found intact, bound with leather belts and wrapped
- 13:50in burlap.
- 13:51Speaker 2: Exactly. He had optimized his ability to kill and dispose
- 13:54of bodies with minimal risk to himself. Burlap is a
- 13:58common landscaping material an architect or suburban homeowner would have easy,
- 14:03unquestioned access to.
- 14:04Speaker 1: Right, you wouldn't look twice at a guy buying burlap exactly.
- 14:08Speaker 2: Plus, it breathes, which affects decomposition differently than plastic, and
- 14:11it blends perfectly into the brush. He was no longer
- 14:14scattering parts across the island. He was depositing them in
- 14:17a centralized, remote location. He had heavily scouted and trusted.
- 14:21Speaker 1: When you look at the connecting tissue between all eight
- 14:24of these victims, a very stark, very tragic picture emerges.
- 14:28We know six of the eight women were working as escorts. Yes,
- 14:31in the late two thousands with the Gilgo four. They
- 14:34were utilizing platforms like Craigslist and Backpage, and physically many
- 14:38of them were very petite. The sources note we're talking
- 14:41about women who were around four feet ten inches or
- 14:43four feet eleven inches tall, weighing around ninety five to
- 14:46one hundred and five pounds.
- 14:48Speaker 2: He selected victims he knew he could physically dominate, that
- 14:52physical vulnerability was a prerequisite for his control. But more importantly,
- 14:57he selected victims who were socially in economic vulnerable.
- 15:01Speaker 1: Right.
- 15:01Speaker 2: This is where we have to discuss the systemic issues
- 15:04that allowed him to operate for so long. Victim's advocate
- 15:08Gloria Alred, who represented several of the families, stated it perfectly.
- 15:12She said they had no meaningful alternatives, right.
- 15:16Speaker 1: I mean, Maureene Brandard Barnes was literally facing a viction.
- 15:19Amberlin Costello was trapped in the cycle of heroin addiction.
- 15:22Speaker 2: They were forced into vulnerable positions by economic desperation, and
- 15:27the killer understood the grim sociology of early internet sex work.
- 15:32Speaker 1: He knew nobody would look for them right away.
- 15:34Speaker 2: Yes, he knew that the systemic bias and societal indifference
- 15:37towards sex workers meant that their disappearances wouldn't trigger the massive, immediate,
- 15:42multi jurisdictional outcry that a missing college student from a
- 15:45wealthy suburb would. He relied on institutional apathy as a shield.
- 15:49Speaker 1: That apathy is just infuriating, But what is even more
- 15:53terrifying is the psychological torture he inflicted on the families
- 15:56who were crying out for help.
- 15:57Speaker 2: The phone call.
- 15:58Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't just the murders. I want to highlight
- 16:01Melissa Bartholemew's case for a second, because this detail stopped
- 16:04me in my tracks. She goes missing in two thousand
- 16:06and nine, and for five weeks after she vanishes, her
- 16:09fifteen year old sister is receiving phone calls, cruel, vulgar
- 16:14phone calls from Melissa's own phone. The caller is mocking
- 16:17the family, and eventually he tells his fifteen year old
- 16:20girl that your sister is dead. And these calls were
- 16:23traced to midtown Manhattan in areas near Hureman's home.
- 16:26Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of his pathology,
- 16:30that detail is a profound indicator of his sadism. The
- 16:34murder itself wasn't enough to satisfy his need for dominance.
- 16:37He needed to extend his control and his power over
- 16:40the victim's family.
- 16:41Speaker 1: It's just evil it is.
- 16:43Speaker 2: To repeatedly dial a teenager's number and verbally torture her
- 16:46requires a level of compartmentalized cruelty that is difficult for
- 16:49a normal human mind to even fathom and consider the arrogance.
- 16:53He felt entirely safe doing it right from midtax He
- 16:55thought he was untouchable, standing in the middle of midtown Manhattan,
- 16:58surrounded by millions of making these calls from a disposable
- 17:02burner phone.
- 17:03Speaker 1: And the tragic reality is that for a very long
- 17:05time he was right. He was untouchable. The systematic silencing
- 17:09of these women went largely unchecked. The families were screaming
- 17:12for help, going to the media, trying to get local
- 17:15police to care. But the gears of justice were basically
- 17:18rusted shit.
- 17:19Speaker 2: They really were.
- 17:20Speaker 1: It wasn't until a completely separate, desperate plea for help
- 17:25accidentally blew the case wide open. I want to shift
- 17:28gears and talk about the catalyst for this entire discovery.
- 17:33The search for Shenan Gilbert.
- 17:35Speaker 2: Shanan Gilbert is the tragic fulcrum on which this entire
- 17:38multi decade investigation rests. Without her, the secrets of Ocean
- 17:42Parkway might have stayed buried forever.
- 17:45Speaker 1: Let's set the timeline. It's December twenty ten. Shenan Gilbert,
- 17:48a twenty three year old escort, had vanished back in
- 17:51May of that year. She had made a frantic twenty
- 17:53three minute nine to one to one call from a
- 17:55client's home in Oak Beach, which is a small, isolated
- 17:58gated community right near Gars Beach. So the police are
- 18:02finally out there in the freezing brush along Ocean Parkway
- 18:06doing a training exercise with a canine unit looking for Shanan,
- 18:10and they don't find her right away. Instead, the dog
- 18:13picks up a cent and they stumble upon the remains
- 18:16of the Gilgo four. It's astounding, all wrapped in burlap,
- 18:19all dumped just a short distance from one another, and
- 18:22as they searching the brush into twenty eleven, they find
- 18:26more remains, ten or eleven sets in total, including the
- 18:29scattered remains from his earlier dismemberment era.
- 18:33Speaker 2: The profound tragic irony is that Shnan Gilbert's disappearance forced
- 18:38law enforcement to physically scour a landscape that Horrorman believed
- 18:42was his perfect, permanent secret.
- 18:44Speaker 1: Otherwise they never would have looked there exactly.
- 18:46Speaker 2: The albums would have continued to degrade the evidence. The
- 18:49brush is so thick there you could walk ten feet
- 18:51away from a set of remains and never see them.
- 18:53Speaker 1: Wow.
- 18:53Speaker 2: I should note Gilbert's death was later ruled in accidental
- 18:56drowning by Suffolk County authorities. They theorize she ran into
- 18:59the marsh and state of panic and succumb to.
- 19:01Speaker 1: The elements, but the family disputes that right heavily.
- 19:05Speaker 2: Her family and independent medical examiners strongly dispute that finding
- 19:09to this day. But regardless of how she died, her
- 19:12presence in that specific geographic location was the catalyst that
- 19:16exposed a serial killer's graveyard.
- 19:18Speaker 1: So they find the bodies, the news explodes, National media
- 19:22descends on Long Island. Suddenly everyone is talking about the
- 19:25Long Island serial Killer or LISK. They have early theories.
- 19:30They suspect a single killer targeting esports using burner phones,
- 19:33probably commuting between Long Island and Manhattan based on early
- 19:36cell tower data. They have the outline of the ghost.
- 19:39They do, but then nothing. The case just stalls for years.
- 19:44I'm looking at the sources, and they point to Suffolk
- 19:47County police dysfunction, corruption scandals, and constant leadership changes. How
- 19:51does a case with national attention and eleven sets of
- 19:53remains just stop?
- 19:55Speaker 2: It is a testbook example of how institutional failures compound
- 19:58a human tragedy. When you look at the mechanics of
- 20:01law enforcement, jurisdiction is everything. You have local Suffolk County police,
- 20:05you have New York State Police because Ocean Parkway is
- 20:08a state road, and you have the FBI offering behavioral
- 20:12analysis and technical support. When interagency rivalries flare up, when
- 20:17local police refuse to share files or communicate effectively with
- 20:20state or federal authorities, information gets siloed.
- 20:24Speaker 1: Oh, it goes back to that building code analogy. If
- 20:27the plumbing inspector doesn't talk to the electrical inspector, a
- 20:30fire hazard goes unnoticed.
- 20:31Speaker 2: Exactly. Add to that the backdrop of severe corruption scandals
- 20:36rocking Suffolk County law enforcement during the twenty tens without
- 20:40getting bogged down in the legal nuances of other individuals.
- 20:43The department's leadership at the time was actively pushing away
- 20:46federal oversight.
- 20:48Speaker 1: Why would they push away help on a serial killer case.
- 20:51Speaker 2: When a department is insular and defensive, a complex, resource
- 20:54heavy investigation simply cannot thrive. But we also have to
- 20:58confront the underlying bias that dated resource allocation.
- 21:01Speaker 1: You mean the bias against the victims because of their profession.
- 21:04Speaker 2: Yes, in the critical early days when these women first
- 21:08went missing, before they are found together in Burlap, the
- 21:11urgency just wasn't there from the top down. It's so
- 21:14sad when a marginalized woman, particularly one struggling with addiction
- 21:17or engaged in sex work, goes missing. Too often, the
- 21:21institutional assumption is that she simply moved on, or she's transient,
- 21:25or she's running from a warrant. The lack of immediate,
- 21:28aggressive follow through in the early two thousands gave Hoyerman
- 21:32the runway he needed to keep killing.
- 21:34Speaker 1: It's infuriating to think about the families are essentially being told,
- 21:38we found your daughters, your sisters, but we can't find
- 21:41who did this, and we aren't going to accept help
- 21:43from the FBI to do it exactly. It was really
- 21:46the persistent advocacy of the families and the pressure from
- 21:49the media that kept this alive. I think about projects
- 21:52like the Netflix documentary Lost girls, or the countless investigative
- 21:56journalists who refused to let the public look away that.
- 21:58Speaker 2: Public pressure was essential. When the institutional mechanics fail, public
- 22:03accountability is the only lever left to pull. The families
- 22:07of Maureen, Melissa, Meghan and Amberlyn, along with the other victims,
- 22:11essentially had to become their own advocates.
- 22:14Speaker 1: They were fighting the system and the killer.
- 22:16Speaker 2: Yes, they formed coalitions, They spoke to the press. They
- 22:19forced the system to eventually reform, bring in new leadership,
- 22:23and look at the evidence with fresh eyes.
- 22:24Speaker 1: And it took over a decade for that to happen.
- 22:27A complete overhaul of the investigation team was required to
- 22:30finally pick up the digital and biological breadcrumbs that Hoyerman
- 22:34thought he had so cleverly hidden. That brings us to
- 22:37twenty twenty two and the formation of a new multi
- 22:40agency task force. This is where the puzzle finally gets unlocked, and.
- 22:45Speaker 2: This phase of the investigation is a masterclass in the
- 22:48marriage of traditional old school detective work and cutting edge
- 22:51modern technology. The new task force decided to wipe the
- 22:54slate clean and go back to the very beginning.
- 22:57Speaker 1: They start looking at the witness statements again, and they
- 22:59find a witness to description from Amber Lynn Costella's disappearance
- 23:02September twenty ten, her roommate had actually interacted with the killer.
- 23:07He described the client who came to the house and
- 23:09crucially described his vehicle a first generation Chevrolet Avalanche.
- 23:14Speaker 2: That is a massive detail.
- 23:15Speaker 1: Yeah, that specific detail was just sitting in the file
- 23:18for years. It's not a Honda Civic. An Avalanche is
- 23:21a very specific, somewhat bulky, unique looking truck. So they
- 23:26have the car. Then they start looking at burner phone
- 23:29records from twenty ten.
- 23:30Speaker 2: Right, And here's where we need to explain the mechanics
- 23:33of cell side analysis. Even with a disposable burner phone,
- 23:37every time that phone connects to a network to make
- 23:39a call or send a text, it pings the nearest
- 23:42cell tower. Okay, law enforcement can subpoena those records and
- 23:45see exactly which tower and which specific sector of that
- 23:48tower the phone connected to. When the task force mapped
- 23:52out the pings from the killer's burner phones, the ones
- 23:54used to contact the victims and taunt the families, they
- 23:57realized the phones are consistently pinging into very specific, overlapping
- 24:02geographic ven.
- 24:03Speaker 1: Diagrams Midtown Manhattan near the Empire State Building and Massapekwell
- 24:07Park on Long Island.
- 24:09Speaker 2: Right there, the geographic profile narrows dramatically. You cross reference
- 24:14a highly specific vehicle, a first generation Chevy Avalanche registered
- 24:18in Massapekwell Park, with a daily commuting pattern established by
- 24:22cell tower data that goes directly from that suburb to
- 24:25Midtown Manhattan.
- 24:26Speaker 1: So the suspect pool just plummets, it shrinks from those
- 24:35burner phones and those Internet searches. As an invisible leash.
- 24:38Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good way to put it, right.
- 24:40Speaker 1: Kuerman clearly thought that because he wasn't using his personal
- 24:43registered cell phone, he was a ghost. He bought into
- 24:46the nineteen nineties idea of a burner being completely untraceable.
- 24:50But in the modern digital age, those tower pings literally
- 24:53draw a line on a map.
- 24:54Speaker 2: They absolutely do.
- 24:55Speaker 1: They tied his desk at his Midtown architectural firm directly
- 24:59to the shallow graves at Gilgo Beach. It just proves that,
- 25:02no matter how meticulous you are with the physical evidence,
- 25:04in the modern era, you can never truly wash your
- 25:07hands of a crime. Your data will betray you.
- 25:09Speaker 2: That invisible leash is a perfect way to conceptualize it.
- 25:13He didn't account for the spatial and temporal analysis of
- 25:16secular data. If Phone A the burner is consistently in
- 25:20the exact same geographic radius as Phone BES be his
- 25:24personal registered phone, day in and day out, moving on
- 25:27the same train schedule, the firewall dissolves. The data proves
- 25:31they are in the same.
- 25:32Speaker 1: Pocket, and once they have him in their sights, the
- 25:34biological evidence just buries him. I want to make sure
- 25:37I understand this part correctly, because it's fascinating. They found
- 25:40hairs on the victims. Specifically, they found hairs consistent with
- 25:44his wife Asa elup on the leather belts used to
- 25:48bind Maureene Brainerd Barnes. Now the investigators confirm through travel
- 25:53records that his wife and kids were out of town
- 25:55during the murders. He was deliberately using their absence as
- 25:58his window of opportunity to bring these women to his
- 26:00home and commit the crimes. But somehow his wife's hair
- 26:04ends up on the victim.
- 26:05Speaker 2: This is the fundamental rule of forensic science low cards
- 26:08exchange principle. It states that every contact leaves a trace.
- 26:12Speaker 1: Every contact leaves a trace.
- 26:14Speaker 2: Right whenever two objects come into contact, there is a
- 26:17transfer of material. He could control the burner phones, he
- 26:20could wrap the bodies in burlap, he could commute across jurisdictions.
- 26:24But he lived in a house with his wife. Yeah,
- 26:26her hair was on the couch, on his clothes, on
- 26:29the floor when he brought the victims into that environment.
- 26:33Where when he used materials from his home, like tape
- 26:36or belts, that microscopic evidence transferred. He couldn't control a
- 26:40stray hair adhering to a leather belt.
- 26:42Speaker 1: But wait, I need to stop you there. How does
- 26:45a single hair from two thousand and seven turn into
- 26:47a definitive match in twenty twenty two? Most people think
- 26:51DNA is just a direct fingerprint you run through a
- 26:53police database. But his wife wasn't in a criminal database,
- 26:56So how did they connect it?
- 26:58Speaker 2: That is where the magic of modern getic genealogy comes in.
- 27:01This is entirely different from the traditional codis police database,
- 27:05which requires an exact match to a known offender.
- 27:07Speaker 1: Okay, so how does it work.
- 27:09Speaker 2: With genetic genealogy. Scientists take that single hair and extract
- 27:13the DNA. They sequence it to find specific genetic markers
- 27:17called SNPs. Then they upload that profile to public genealogy websites.
- 27:23The kind of database is every day people use to
- 27:25trace their ancestry or find distant cousins.
- 27:28Speaker 1: Oh, like the ones you get in the mail.
- 27:30Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, they aren't looking for Rex or his wife.
- 27:32They are looking for a third or fourth cousin.
- 27:35Speaker 1: Wow.
- 27:35Speaker 2: Once they find a distant relative, specialized genealogists build a
- 27:39family tree backward to a common ancestor and then trace
- 27:43the branches forward through time, looking through census records and
- 27:46marriage certificates until they find a single household that matches
- 27:50the geographic and demographic profile. Yeah, it led them right
- 27:53to Maspicico Park.
- 27:54Speaker 1: Wow. So they match the DNA from the victims to
- 27:57the specific genetic profile of his household, the circle is
- 28:00completely closed completely, And when they finally raid his house
- 28:03and his electronic devices in July twenty twenty three, the
- 28:07digital footprint they uncover is chilling. The sources mention a
- 28:11specific computer file. They found a file from the year
- 28:13two thousand, over two decades before his arrest. He had
- 28:16a document outlining plans for luring, imprisoning, and murdering women.
- 28:21Plus they found endless searches for sadistic porn, torture, and
- 28:25literal how to guides on body disposal.
- 28:28Speaker 2: That file from the year two thousand is the blueprint,
- 28:31is the architectural schematic of a serial killer. It proves
- 28:34the immense premeditation. It proves that the architect persona wasn't
- 28:38just his day job. He was architecting his crimes with
- 28:41the same obsessive attention.
- 28:42Speaker 1: To detail he was drafting plans.
- 28:44Speaker 2: He was drafting the plans for human destruction long before
- 28:46he executed some of them, and those searches for disposal
- 28:49methods indicate a constant, obsessive refinement of his methodology. He
- 28:53wasn't just committing crimes, he was studying his own dark
- 28:55craft to ensure he never got caught.
- 28:57Speaker 1: So they arrest him. He's tearful outside of office. He
- 29:00denies everything initially, and then we enter this incredible one
- 29:04thousand day period between his arrest in July twenty twenty
- 29:07three and is guilty plea in April twenty twenty six.
- 29:10Speaker 2: It was a long wait.
- 29:11Speaker 1: Yeah, the prosecutors just keep squeezing the vice. They start
- 29:14with three murder charges in twenty twenty three. Then as
- 29:18they test more evidence, they link him to Maureen Brainerd
- 29:21Barnes and it becomes four charges. Then in twenty twenty
- 29:24four they indict him for Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack.
- 29:27The walls are systematically closing in on him.
- 29:30Speaker 2: It is an avalanche of evidence. And for a man
- 29:32who defined his entire existence by his ability to maintain
- 29:36absolute control over his environment, the mounting indictments represented a total,
- 29:41terrifying loss of power.
- 29:42Speaker 1: He couldn't outsmart the DNA.
- 29:43Speaker 2: No, the procedural battles his defense team fought over those
- 29:47one thousand days, challenging warrants, demanding discovery. We're just holding
- 29:51back the tide. Eventually, the empirical way of the DNA,
- 29:54the cell site data, and the digital forensics left no
- 29:57meutivral space in the courtroom.
- 29:59Speaker 1: Faced with all of that instrumuntable evidence, this meticulous planner
- 30:02makes one final, controlling decision. He pleads guilty to all
- 30:05of it. And this brings us to the most complex,
- 30:08emotionally fraught part of the story, the why, the concept
- 30:12of imperfect justice, and the business that is still tragically
- 30:14unfinished on Long Island.
- 30:16Speaker 2: The aftermath of a serial killer's conviction is rarely as
- 30:19clean or as satisfying as we want.
- 30:21Speaker 1: It to be, No, it's not. After the plea deal,
- 30:23his defense attorney, Michael Brown came out and told reporters
- 30:26that pleading guilty was entirely Hohurerman's decision. Brown claimed Rex
- 30:31wanted to spare the victim's family's allurid trial and protect
- 30:34his own family from the public spectacle. When our reporter
- 30:37bluntly asked if Horrorman was actually sorry for what he did,
- 30:40Brown just said, I hope so. Meanwhile, Da Tyrney announced
- 30:45that as part of the deal, Horrorman agreed to sit
- 30:48down for extensive interviews with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit.
- 30:52Tierney called it an academic exercise to understand what created
- 30:56him and what drove him.
- 30:57Speaker 2: This raises an important question one that criminology, psychology, and
- 31:01the justice system constantly gravel with. What is the true
- 31:04value of these SBIBAU interviews On a macro institutional level,
- 31:09Analyzing an organized killer who successfully operated undetected for thirty
- 31:14years provides invaluable to data. The BAU religans on these
- 31:18interviews to refine their profiling models, identify subtle future warning
- 31:22signs and other predators, and understand exactly how killers exploit
- 31:26systemic loopholes in law enforcement.
- 31:28Speaker 1: So it's good for the FBI.
- 31:30Speaker 2: It is academically crucial for stopping the next lisk, But.
- 31:33Speaker 1: Does it actually help the families? Does it offer them
- 31:35anything real?
- 31:36Speaker 2: Exactly? On a micro emotional level, these interviews rarely offer
- 31:40a satisfying why to the grieving families. Knowing that a
- 31:43killer had a specific childhood trauma or analyzing the minutia
- 31:47of his violent sexual fantasies does not bring a daughter back.
- 31:50It doesn't heal the trauma and inflicted on a fifteen
- 31:52year old sister who received those phone calls for five weeks.
- 31:55It is an academic autopsy of a monster, but it's
- 31:58not emotional closure.
- 31:59Speaker 1: It's just I have to push back hard on his
- 32:01stated motives here too. The defense attorney says Horriman wanted
- 32:05to spare the family's allurid trial. Are we supposed to
- 32:09believe that a man who meticulously stalked, tortured, and murdered
- 32:13vulnerable women for thirty years is suddenly struck by empathy
- 32:17for the people he destroyed.
- 32:18Speaker 2: It's highly unlikely.
- 32:19Speaker 1: Or is this just the ultimate narcissist maintaining control over
- 32:22his narrative until the very end. By pleading guilty, he
- 32:26avoids the discovery process. He avoids being publicly cross examined
- 32:30and humiliated.
- 32:31Speaker 2: That's a huge factor.
- 32:32Speaker 1: He avoids having his every flaw, failure, and dark secret
- 32:36laid bare before a jury of his peers for months
- 32:38on end. He hats to walk into court in his
- 32:41nice tailored suit, say the word strangulation eight times on
- 32:44his own terms, and walk out.
- 32:45Speaker 2: You're absolutely right to be skeptical, and frankly, the psychological
- 32:49profile supports your skepticism. Serial predators of this specific, highly
- 32:53organized typology do not suddenly develop deep altruistic empathy. Their
- 32:58brains do not function that way. Guilty allows him to
- 33:01bypass the profound humiliation of a trial where his absolute
- 33:05powerlessness would be on public display every single day. It
- 33:09is an act of self preservation, not an act of mercy.
- 33:12By controlling the plea, he controls the final act of
- 33:15the play he wrote. He dictates the terms of his surrender.
- 33:18Speaker 1: Which leaves the families with a very bitter pill to swallow.
- 33:21It's what the sources call imperfect closure. Yes, yes, the
- 33:25plea means they get a definitive answer. They don't have
- 33:28to wonder who the monster in the dark was anymore.
- 33:31But they are denied the catharsis of a trial. They're
- 33:34denied the experience of a jury looking at the evidence,
- 33:37looking at him, and formally declaring him guilty of every
- 33:40specific horrific detail.
- 33:41Speaker 2: A heavy burden.
- 33:43Speaker 1: Melissa kNN, the sister of Maureen Brainerd Barnes, described herself
- 33:46as living in a space between heartbreak and hope for
- 33:49nearly two decades. Another relative summarized it so poignantly in
- 33:53the report, saying, we finally know who, but the pain
- 33:56never ends.
- 33:57Speaker 2: Imperfect closure is the harsh reality the criminal justice system.
- 34:01The system is designed to administer punishment, it is not
- 34:05designed to administer healing. And the trauma of the Gilgo
- 34:09Beach case is compounded by the terrifying reality that the
- 34:13geography of that shoreline still holds secrets that Horman has
- 34:17not answered for.
- 34:18Speaker 1: Da Tierney said it right at the news conference. It
- 34:21was a chilling reminder to everyone celebrating the conviction. He said,
- 34:25there are still bodies on that beach, There are still
- 34:27bodies in Suffolk County, horrifying. We know from the case
- 34:31files that there are still unsolved murders tied to the
- 34:33immediate area, including the remains of an unidentified person known
- 34:37as Asian Dough and tragically, the remains of a young.
- 34:40Speaker 2: Child, which means the shadow of Gilgo Beach has not
- 34:43fully lifted. Hoyerman admitted to eight murders spanning from nineteen
- 34:46ninety three to twenty ten, but the math of the
- 34:49eleven sets of remains found out there suggests two terrifying possibilities.
- 34:53Okay whatever, Either his timeline is longer and more prolific
- 34:56than he admits, or, perhaps even more disturbing, he was
- 34:59not the only p editor using that desolate stretch of
- 35:01Ocean Parkway as a dumping ground.
- 35:03Speaker 1: Oh wow, another killer.
- 35:05Speaker 2: It's possible. The Plea deal effectively closes rex Huerman's active
- 35:09threat to society, but it does not close every file
- 35:11on Long Island. The work of that task force is
- 35:14far from over.
- 35:16Speaker 1: As we look towards his sentencing on June seventeenth, twenty
- 35:18twenty six, where he faces multiple life sentences without the
- 35:22possibility of parole, we really have to grapple with the
- 35:25permanent scar this case leaves on Long Island and our
- 35:28broader society. Let's just recap the incredible heavy.
- 35:32Speaker 2: Arc of this story, It's been a long road.
- 35:34Speaker 1: It starts in nineteen ninety three with the murder of
- 35:36Sandra Costilla. It moves through decades of systemic failure, ignored leads,
- 35:41jurisdictional battles, and a profound societal indifference to vulnerable women.
- 35:45It hinges on the tragic accidental disappearance of Shenan Gilbert
- 35:48in twenty ten. It is finally broken open by a
- 35:51twenty twenty two task force that married old school witness
- 35:54statements with the absolute cutting edge science of genetic genealogy
- 35:58and cell side analysis, and ends in a sterile Riverhead
- 36:01courtroom with an architect in a blue tie repeating a
- 36:04single word.
- 36:05Speaker 2: But the true legacy of this case should not be
- 36:08the depravity or the cunning of Rix Harrman. We give
- 36:11him too much power, if that is the only takeaway.
- 36:13The legacy belongs to the resilience of the families. Absolutely,
- 36:17the sisters, the daughters, the mothers who refuse to let
- 36:20their loved ones be forgotten in the brush along Ocean Parkway.
- 36:24They endured the agonizing weight, they fought through the bureaucratic indifference,
- 36:28and they forced the system to work.
- 36:30Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for you listening to
- 36:33this right now, I want to leave you with a
- 36:35thought to mull over as we end this deep dive.
- 36:37Think about the mask. Nex Warreman wasn't a phantom hiding
- 36:40in the woods. He wasn't a boogeyman in a horror
- 36:42movie with claws and fangs.
- 36:44Speaker 2: No, he was completely ordinary.
- 36:46Speaker 1: He was a guy riding the morning commuter train into Manhattan,
- 36:49drinking coffee. He was meticulously checking building codes. He was
- 36:53waving to his neighbors in Mazapickwele Park. He bought groceries,
- 36:56he paid taxes. If a monster capable of such unimaginable
- 37:00cruelty can successfully hide behind the absolute mask of mundane
- 37:03suburban normalcy for thirty years, how well do we really
- 37:06know the people we brushed past every single day. Thank
- 37:09you for joining us on this heavy, but truly vital exploration.