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The Study of the Book of Colossians Part 11 - Simply Christ Podcast · Simply Christ Podcast

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the Simply Christ podcast hosted by Leon Martin, along with Aaron
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Keaton, Melvin Martin, Andrew Schrock and Dan Blatz.
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Let's get right to it. All righty, I guess we're ready
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for another Monday night Bible study.
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So welcome fellow lovers of Christ and we are going to look
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at Colossians chapter 3 and excited to see what what it has
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to offer here for us. Just wanted to mention before we
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get started for anybody that's listening on any of the
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comment sharing content from this would be we would love to
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see that helps everybody see some of the truths that are
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written in the Bible here. And also from our family camp
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meetings that we had couple weeks ago.
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All the recordings of that are are on our website there or on
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our YouTube channel as well. If you would, if you're
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interested in listening to some really good preaching by Aaron
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Keaton and that Ben Sergeant from Virginia.
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There were the weekend. There's six full sermons on
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there that are really good. But so anyway before.
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We got any? Going any further, I'll ask Dan
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to kick us off with the word of prayer here.
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All right, Father, we come to you this evening, bowing before
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you in the name of Jesus, knowing that it's only in his
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name that we can come, but in his name we can come boldly.
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And so we ask this evening, God, that you would help us help our
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minds and hearts to understand and not only to just comprehend
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with our minds, but to allow it to sink deep in our hearts and
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to cause us to live according to the truth of the gospel that we
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would, as he has already told us in this book to as we received
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him. So walk in him of this book and
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the words that we read and study tonight to transform our
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thinking so that we can better honor you in our day-to-day and
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bring more souls under your Kingdom.
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We prayed in Jesus name, Amen. Amen.
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Thank you. Yeah.
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So that is exactly what we're going to do is learn how to
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walk. How was it with Ben Sargent?
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I've never heard him speak. Oh yeah, yeah, he's a a kind old
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soul. Very.
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He's something he got converted maybe 40 or so years ago, I
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think as a very sinful. He was a Army person, I think or
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Navy or I can't remember for sure.
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And God delivered him from all kinds of riff raff and he just
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loves Jesus. And so, yeah, really enjoyed his
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teaching. He lives in Virginia and he is
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very, very involved with that. Joshua Steele, I don't know if
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you've heard him, but he does that.
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He's over in Ukraine, him and his family.
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And they have. Man, I wish I could, I should
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maybe find a link and see if I get posted on here.
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It's it's really a blessing to hear it.
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Like he's like, they'll hear bombs and stuff and then and you
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know, in this war that's going on over there.
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But anyway, so he has they, they, they have some kind of a
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ministry and I don't even know what it all is really.
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Maybe one of you guys knows more, but I I know they they
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teach and they have and a program or or something they
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use. I interviewed him on my podcast,
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Joshua Steele. Oh.
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Sure. And that was a couple years ago
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when the war in Ukraine was just kind of getting started.
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So we talked a bit about his ministry and how he got started
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there as a single man that eventually came back and found
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his wife and moved back there and has been there ever since.
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And then then we talked about the war a little bit too,
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because there's so much confusion over what's going on
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there, right? What, what is his curriculum or
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whatever that he has a curriculum or something that
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they hand out, don't they? Yeah, it's like a homeschool
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curriculum, just kind of studying the Bible.
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I've never actually looked into it, and so I don't know.
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I've heard it's very thorough and good from the Pearls, but I
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don't know what it's really all about.
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Yeah. Do you know, Andrew, what the
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Joshua Steele's thing? I think it's, yeah.
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I think it's some kind of a Bible study program, but I can't
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even think what it's called a little bit.
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Yeah, Hannah, do you remember what that's called the Joshua
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Steele, though? Is it Bible first?
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Bible First sounds right. Yep, Yep.
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I think that is what it is. But anyway, so, yeah, he's, he's
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very involved. He's been over there several
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times with Joshua. Ben has.
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And so, yeah, really, really enjoyed his teaching.
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And, and we had a just a kind of a impromptu brothers meeting
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where a bunch of us guys kind of sat together, a couple guys had
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questions and really, really fun to listen to an older
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gentleman's council regarding some of this stuff that comes
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up. It's just, it's, I mean, I know
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why, why, you know, the Bible you read and yet talks about
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elders among us and stuff and that, you know, that we should
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honor them. And I think I know why they they
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have an element that us younger, well, 44 years old, but us
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younger people just don't have. I don't know what in the wisdom
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or whether you know. Yeah.
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So. Yeah.
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I think often, I think often older people have went through
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things that have kind of levelled themselves out a little
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better and maybe matured a little more.
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For some of us get pretty cocky about an opinion that we have
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all of a sudden, or get be a little radical and insensitive
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and all of a sudden we get kind of humbled.
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Yeah. Yeah, a really good example
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actually of that was one of the guys was talking about how that
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that verse about that says that it by by his stripes we were
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healed. We are healed and Ben was like,
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well, that's not talking about physical healing, that's talking
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about Jesus coming, you know, and taking our stripes for the
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sin that we have and and very carefully walk through it.
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But if it would have been me, then, you know, I would have
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said, and that's the way it is, you know, and he he dialogue
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with the guy and never shot him down at all.
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Just told him the truth and and engaged in conversation in such
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a such a gentleman better better appreciated.
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The thing is is you can't. You can't have insight or wisdom
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in something until you've actually been through it and
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experience it, right? I mean, and that an older person
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like that has been through a lot, right?
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That so that's where they get their ways and.
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Understanding and they they learn the value of actually
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hearing the other person. That's where I often struggle
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myself is I know what I think and it's hard for me to hear the
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other argument even, or consider it the other guys you know,
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because I know he's wrong already.
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It was. Well, the more you go through
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things, the more people you deal with, right?
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And so you learn that too. Well, the older and the smarter
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you get, the quicker you know when someone is wrong so it's we
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don't waste our time. See.
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Sounds like we get humbler along the way too.
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Remind me to never go to Andrew Schrock for character give.
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Him some. Time.
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Yeah, I was kidding. Just in case.
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No, that's all good. All right, well, we'll get into
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the Word here. So chapter 3 of Colossians verse
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one. Yeah.
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Good evening, Cameron. Thanks for being on here.
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It says if he then be risen with Christ, seek those things which
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are above where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
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That's the verse that we're going to kick off.
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But we just got done talking about last week.
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And like I said, you'd go find previous episodes if you didn't
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hear that hear this what we went through where it says verse 21.
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Let's see where should I back up to let's I'm going to just read
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verse 20 on through real quick from chapter 2 what we went
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through last week a little bit to get a running start wherefore
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he's making the argument wherefore if you be dead with
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Christ from the rudiments of the world.
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Why, as though living world are you subject to ordinances, touch
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not taste, not handle, that which all are to perish with the
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using after the commandments and the doctrines of men, which
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things have indeed a show of wisdom in will, worship and
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humility and neglecting of the body, not in any honor to the
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satisfying of the flesh. So we were just instructed that,
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you know, doing all these right things, but for the wrong
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reasons is not what we need to do.
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We can do everything right, everything looks right, but if
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we are just doing them because we think that's the right way to
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do it, then that's an issue. But anyway, but so he says, if
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you then be risen with Christ, seek these things which are
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above where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
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So he's making the assumption that we are risen with Christ.
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An interesting position that he talk talks about here.
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Dan. Go ahead, Dad.
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Chapter chapters 2 and three describe the difference between
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someone that has quote UN quote, self-control through philosophy
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or religion and someone who is getting their victory through
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the gospel. And he's made our case very
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clear that we have the victory in Christ.
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That's where our source of victory and identity and purpose
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and position comes from is through his work for us.
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Chapter 1 made that abundantly clear.
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And he he doesn't want us to move on from that simplicity.
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Again, I think we've we've talked that again and again
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around in circles about that same topic and it never gets
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old. But he doesn't stop there.
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He continues on in that same vein here so many times.
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And I did this early on in my Christian life when I wanted to
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go come up with a devotional for somebody, I would turn to
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Colossians chapter 3 verse one. I remember the very first time I
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ever shared a devotional. I was only a Christian for a few
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months, perhaps, maybe a year. I doubt it.
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And my thought was, I'm going to encourage people to change their
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thinking. Set your mind on things above.
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So think about God, think about heaven, think about eternity,
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think about all the beautiful things that are to come.
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And don't think about cars and trucks and planes and and trips
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and, you know, stop thinking about earthly things and start
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thinking about heavenly things. But you do that if you start in
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chapter 3, you just RIP the whole thing right out of its
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meaning in context. And the the passage has been
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abundantly clear. The problem that the Colossians
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had was not that they were too worldly thinking in Mennonite
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terms. They weren't thinking too much
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about sports and technology like they were thinking about how to
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control their flesh with external forces.
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Touch, not taste, not handle, not.
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Their affections were set on earthly principles, earthly
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fundamentals, the earthly things that they could do to try to
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bring some kind of beauty and wisdom to their life.
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That's where their affection was.
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But he says don't set your affection on those things that
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are on the earth, like touch, not taste, not handle, not like
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religious practices, like trying diligently to be, you know, a
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very principled person. Rather set your affection on
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things above because that's where Christ is seated.
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That's where Christ is already risen.
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Seek those things which are above because we are with Christ
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in God. He's going to tell us set your
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affection. And he doesn't say affections
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where, you know, I've got an affection for pizza and I've got
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an affection for baseball and I've got like take all those
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affections and, you know, stop thinking about those things that
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you enjoy and try to put your affection somewhere else.
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He's actually discouraging religion and philosophy and man
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made traditions because that's where the Colossians affection
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had been turning and they were losing their vision of Christ
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and his work and setting their affection on earthly things like
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going to church at a certain time, wearing certain types of
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clothes, doing certain external practices, keeping feast days,
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holy days, Sabbath days, whatever it might be.
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Those were the things that they were now setting their affection
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of on. And he says if you're risen with
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Christ, why as though living in the world are you subject to
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ordinances? If he then be risen with Christ,
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seek those things which are above where Christ sitteth at
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the right hand of God. Set your affection on things
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above, not on things on the earth.
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So again, one more time, he's not trying to get us to stop
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being worldly in the Mennonite or Amish perspective.
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He's trying to get us to stop being Amish and Mennonite and
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start trusting in Christ. Yeah, Very well done, Melvin.
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Yeah, I was really been thinking about the last three verses that
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we went through last week, this past week.
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And I don't know, I just kind of he kind of resonated with me
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where just what you were saying, Dan, where he says there in
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verse 20 that we are dead with Christ from the rudiments of the
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world. So rudiments of the world.
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And ordinances and then commandments and doctrines of
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men. So all this is, is earthly
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things. And then he says in verse 23,
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But all these things are a show or a appearance of wisdom, and
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in will worship and humility and neglecting of the body, like
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trying to keep your refrain yourself from bodily things like
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whatever it may be, it could be various things.
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But then he says, and not in any honor to the satisfying of the
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flesh, those things are no value against fleshly indulgence.
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In other words, those things, all those external things do not
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keep you from lust and from having power.
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None of those things give you power over your flesh because
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he, he was saying, Oh, you are dead in with Christ, right?
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That's where you get your power, not these religious things that
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you're doing on the outside or trying to do external things.
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And that's where I was at before I got saved.
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I had this. The biggest thing that bothered
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me before I got saved was that I had no power over my flesh.
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I had no power over sin. I had zero power over sin.
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And that really kind of bothered me, although I would not have
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admitted it probably, but I was doing all those things.
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I was I was externally doing all those things that will worship,
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neglecting of the body and all those things.
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And it didn't work. It does not work.
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It's only in Christ and being dead in Christ that we have
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power over sin and over flesh and which talks about in Mormons
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a lot. But but yeah, it's just
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interesting that he goes on there and and in that thinking
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in that context, like you pointed out, then we'd go into
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three one, he says if you be then risen with Christ, seek
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those things which are above tonight's pointing out not only
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are we dead in Christ, but we are also risen with Christ.
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So in other words, we're a lie. We're seated with Christ in
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heavenly places the Bible says and and then he says where where
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Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
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That is so good truth right there where Christ sitteth on
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the right hand of God in Ephesians one I've found this 2
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verses. I'm just going to read these.
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It's so profound. It says and what is the
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exceeding greatness of His power to us?
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Word who believe according to the working of His mighty power.
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And people are always wanting more power right there, power
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over their flesh. Power.
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They're always looking for power, right?
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But it says, which He wrought in Christ when He raised him from
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the dead and set Him on His own right hand in heavenly places.
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So that is where we get our power over sin and over flesh,
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over indulgence, over temptation is in Christ, who is seated on
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the right hand of God in heaven and faces, and we're seated
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there with him actually right now.
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Yeah, who? They're good, Andrew.
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And it's good stuff. They covered it all.
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What am I supposed to say now? That's why I don't like being
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last. No, it's good.
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I can always go a little bit different angle.
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One thing that I was actually at the homeless shelter last
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Thursday night and I was so fired up about Colossians.
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I actually went started kind of in chapter 1 there, if we
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remember it said that the thing that Paul was praying for them
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non-stop was that they would grow in spiritual wisdom and
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spiritual understanding. So they don't fall for
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philosophy and deceit and all that stuff.
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And he said in the when you have that spiritual wisdom and
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understanding, then you will be strengthened with all might, not
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some might, all might. And now he's revealed to us
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where that all might comes from, believing that we're dead from
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the root of the world, believing that by Jesus Christ dying and
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rising again make me dead to the flesh.
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And if we believe that, if we have that spiritual wisdom and
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understanding, it's where all the might is at.
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It's where all the power is at. It's where all the strength is
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at, but the law was the strength of strength and sin, the cross
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overpowered it and now we are now we are stronger than sin
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through Christ Jesus, sin is defeated.
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And what I told them over there, the homeless shelter is like the
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Christian world is pretty much nowadays trying to get God to do
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a work in our heart, to do a work in our lives.
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Let's get God to move. If we could just get a good old
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moving of the Holy Ghost again, we would have some life changing
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power. And, and, and you know, big
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moment, you know, revival. And I just told him that I think
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what's lacking is we've, we're so focused on getting God to
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move now that we don't see that he moved and we don't understand
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of how he moved when he died. When he died is when he moved.
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God moved to change the human flesh down to our affections and
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emotions to where we can set them or whatever direction that
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we choose is we benefit. And he's telling us right now to
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set our affections on things above based on the fact that
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Jesus Christ did a work 2000 years ago that has changed us
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and given us a power and a strength that overcomes the
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things of this world, sin and flesh.
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And he's going to tell us a whole list of sins that we're
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free from based on setting our affections on things above in
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the cross. So yeah, stop getting asking God
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to move and start believing on the moving that he already did.
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Yeah, he doesn't need to be moved.
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We do. We need to be moved, but he's
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already where he already moved. But we're I wish people would
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understand that believing the gospel, believing this truth
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will do a work in your life right now.
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Stop waiting on God to move in your life.
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Look at what he did and believe it and it will change your life.
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And you can say God moved and changed you and now you're free
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from slave. However you want to put it.
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I know that the work has already been done and the moment you
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believe it, your life will be changed.
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You. Don't have to wait on God
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because God already died. You know, before he died, people
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were waiting for him to come and die.
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Now we're, we already know he died and we can already tap into
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that river that it's flowing with all might and power and
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strength and redemption and blood and all that is flowing.
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And it's up to us whether we're going to step into it and get
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our feet wet. Right.
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Yeah, our. Purpose, Our purpose in
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preaching and teaching ought to be to change people's affection,
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to turn their affection to what actually delivers, right.
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And so the only way to truly overcome an affection or a lust
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or a great desire that you have is not by saying no to the drive
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or saying no to the affection. The affection is there.
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You need to replace it with a greater affection.
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And so as long as you're just trying to replace your affection
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for worldly things with religious things, all you've
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done is turn your affection from one set of worldly things like
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cars, trucks, and technology onto some other set of worldly
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things like touch not, taste not handle not and trying to dress
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yourself up just right. I I believe it will be as much
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or more of a challenge for us as Christians to avoid religion as
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it will be to avoid sin. The the problem is that religion
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and philosophy will act won't actually make you free from sin,
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but it will dress you up with an appearance of humility and
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godliness. And so it's that much more
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tempting than outright sin. It's it's much more tempting
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than going to the bars and drinking or strip clubs.
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You know, like that's not tempting because that's the
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botched and it's ugly. It doesn't bring any glory to
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me, but that outward religion does and it and it has this
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appearance of will worship. And so you need to replace your
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affection. You need to get a better
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affection than the sin of this world or the religion of this
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world. That's so good.
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And. You know, that is just as filthy
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as going to the barge of the strip club, you know, so.
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Yeah, Yep, that's good. Thank you for that.
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Then. Appreciate that, Romans.
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Romans 69311 says knowing that Christ being raised from the
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dead dieth no more death, has no more dominion over him, but for
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in that he died, he died under sin once, but in that he liveth,
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he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also
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yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God
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through Jesus Christ our Lord. That's what we're talking about.
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Like like Andrew was already saying and then mentioned, you
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know, it's already been done. You know, just convinced, you
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know, be convinced of that truth, believe it and it says
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set your affection on things above not all things of the
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other. I know, Dan, a couple you kind
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of commented on on this verse already verse 2 there, but set
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your affection on things above, not all things of the earth.
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Dan, you mentioned that that it like as a preacher, a teacher,
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it's our job to maybe do that more, you know, like like set,
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get get the people to believe how or change their affection or
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whatever. I'd be interested in hearing
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like, what do, how do we do that?
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Like what is, how do we, how do we get somebody to change their
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affection? You know, comment on the verse
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however you want, but, but that in the back of your mind, like,
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what do we do? What do we have to offer that
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would cause people to change their affection?
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Because I, I know one thing. If I have a a piece of candy in
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my hand, you know as a 5 year old kid, it's going to be hard
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for you to wrench that thing out of my hand unless I see
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something that is better, right? Yeah, I, I think it's a
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combination of both seeing the ugliness of sin and the result
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of it, but then the glories of Christ.
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I'm starting my way through first Peter right now on my
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WhatsApp and YouTube. And he knew and before he
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started writing the letter that the people he was writing to,
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the stranger's scattered throat, Pontus and Galatia and so on and
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so forth, that they were going through a real tough time, that
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they were in great heaviness through manifold temptations.
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He knew that before He started the letter, but his first 456
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verses are just these flowery, beautiful, poetic words about
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the glories of Christ and what He's done and how He's reserved
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an inheritance for us that's incorruptible and undefiled that
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doesn't fade away. And we are kept by the power of
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God unto salvation like He. He lifts up the great work of
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Christ and makes us see how beautiful and complete and whole
25:05
it is. And then he says, yeah, and I
25:07
know you're going through heaviness, but he first set
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their affection in the correct place so that he could talk to
25:14
them about their heaviness. Because if he started off the
25:17
conversation with his deep heaviness that you get sunk into
25:20
that, that's where your tension goes.
25:22
That's where your mind goes. And so I this is where I believe
25:26
a sermon is incomplete without a presentation of the gospel,
25:30
without some reference to the glories of Christ.
25:33
I know when you're teaching through a book, there's sections
25:36
where you're it's not the focus is not Christ.
25:38
But you know, the great Charles Spurgeon had said, you know, no,
25:43
no Christ in your sermon, Sir, go home and never preach again
25:46
until you see, I forget exactly the rest of the quote, but that
25:49
was kind of where he's like, don't ever preach again unless
25:52
you're finding Christ in the text.
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I mean, you might want to air on the side of putting Christ in a
25:57
text that he doesn't belong to rather than preaching a whole
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text and there being no attention on Christ.
26:04
And so I think emphasizing Christ and his work repeatedly
26:08
and constantly reminding people again and again of the great
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work of Christ and and making it beautiful, letting people see
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the glories of it. That's, that's, that's
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beautiful, Melvin. Yeah, I think one of the things
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I see maybe is the word affection.
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Set your affection on things above.
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If you look up that word, it actually means to exercise the
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mind or to have a sediment or opinion.
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So it gives kind of an idea that you're setting your mind, but
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you're changing your mind. And because of the previous
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verse, he said seek those things which are above.
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And now he's saying set your affection on those things which
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are above. I guess that's kind of what I
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see. And like, if you're going to set
26:57
your mind on something, you are going to set your mind on
27:01
something, let's put it that way, right?
27:02
You're going to set your mind on either lust or fulfilling your
27:08
flesh, whatever that looks like, alcohol, women, whatever, or
27:14
you're going to turn into religion instead, right?
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And, and you're going to try and set your mind on those things.
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And that's what he's saying that they were trying to do.
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But we need to set our minds or our affection on Christ and
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Christ, what he has done and what he did is enough and it is
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complete and we are who we are in him.
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I I That's just my thought, but. That's good, Andrew.
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Yeah, verse it says seek those things which are above.
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So it's changing. He wants us to change to the
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direction of our affection. It says seek those things which
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are above where Christ sitters on the right hand of God.
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Then he says set your affection on things above, not on things
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in the on the earth. So if you're earthly minded, you
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can just tell where someone's affections are.
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You can tell whether someone affections are on things above
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and just by talking to him for a little while, you can have also
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bad affection like in verse 5 it says in one of the sins it says
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inordinate affection. So you can, you might be very
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compassionate and affectionate about something, but it's
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inordinate. It's not it's not good.
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So I'm not saying that every affection we have is good and it
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just needs to be directed in the right direction.
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There's also an inordinate affection evidence for your
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affection about something that good.
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So yeah, I would say he's again just bringing us back to keep
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notice words seek in verse one that tells you that there's a
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lot of stuff hidden in the finished work of Jesus Christ
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that gets revealed as you seek. You see it you you learn it and
29:18
hear a question about how do you get someone to change the
29:21
direction of their affection is the only way that I know so far
29:25
is kind of how Paul does is he he is to prove how short their
29:32
way is falling like you had peace.
29:38
Why are you doing sacrifices? Why are you doing what you're
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doing? Like I'm, I know a guy that he
29:47
doesn't believe that we're sanctified in an instant.
29:52
He doesn't believe that we're justified in an instant, that we
29:57
gradually get justified or we gradually get become godly.
30:01
And the only question I have is at what point do you become
30:05
godly? Do you ever reach a point of
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godliness and you know they have all their ways to go around to
30:13
try to make it make sense more than just faith and that we're
30:16
already godly through Christ Jesus.
30:18
So disaffections are in something that falls short.
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The best thing I know we can do is just show how short it falls.
30:27
And so like, well, you have peace and joy and where would
30:30
you go if you died tonight? And and then he then if he says,
30:35
well, I would go to heaven because of such and such and
30:36
such and such, Well, just always point to how that in your own
30:44
body, God says, you know, his standard is way higher.
30:47
So how do you measure up with that?
30:49
And then like you were saying, you got to show something
30:53
better. That's how you get a kit to drop
30:55
a piece of candy is to roll in a brand new bicycle and they go,
30:59
all of a sudden they're not hungry.
31:01
They want to try that bike. And so you have to first show
31:06
them the weight of sin, how ungodly we are.
31:09
So it kind of dismantles their hope that they have in that
31:13
thing that is actually not a hope and draw them to something
31:18
that is sure. Yeah, Well, I was, I was
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interested in hearing what you have to say about it.
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I, I think you're right. I, I like those points.
31:27
There's there's something that we in the advertising world know
31:31
too, is that if we want an ad to work, we when we put a Facebook
31:37
ad or whatever out on on the Internet, we set our ad dollars
31:43
to show the same person the same ad five to seven times.
31:49
That is the amount of times that a person needs to see an ad
31:52
before he is either fully convinced that he won't click or
31:56
he already did. Number five to seven
32:00
impressions, they call it and and so there's there's something
32:05
scientific about the fact that if you look at something and I
32:09
just I just saw this, you guys commented on it saying that
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first it says seek this, those, those things which are above and
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then set your affections on them.
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That is actually a natural process.
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If you whatever you behold and look at your, your heart turns
32:24
toward it. You think, Have you ever
32:26
considered why a Ford dealership would spend hundreds, if not
32:30
thousands of dollars every single month in a light bill to
32:34
put lights in their yard so that everybody that drives by there
32:37
could see those shiny new vehicles?
32:39
It's not because they wanted to look good.
32:41
And they could. They could find cameras,
32:43
security cameras at work just fine in the dark.
32:46
No, it's for that impression. It's for you to see that thing
32:49
and build that, that one, build that one, build that one till
32:53
you go by. And so if you use that same
32:56
strategy, I know that God is always drawing us.
32:58
And there's other other points in this, in this spiritual
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aspect of it, but the I mean, it works the same way for this
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impressions, impressions like, and that's an encouragement to
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me. Sometimes you you preach the
33:11
gospel message and nothing happened.
33:13
You're like, what was that in vain?
33:14
No, it wasn't. It was one of those impressions.
33:16
It was one of those impressions from.
33:19
The in the book of James, he tells us that every man is
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tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust and enticed so that
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it could be said this way. You only ever sin because you
33:32
want to. Nobody sins because they don't
33:36
want to. What drew you away?
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Well, I had this desire. Well, yeah, there you go.
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You drew away after your own lust, your own affection.
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It was you that wanted what you got, and then you regretted it
33:48
because there was another part of you that didn't want it.
33:50
I get that. But the only way to avoid that
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want for lust, for sin, for some other corrupted, as he, as
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Andrew already pointed out, inordinate affection is to have
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a greater and deeper and better appreciation.
34:06
You know, I was going to point out what religion will not
34:11
dampen the desire. It will only condemn you when
34:16
you make a fault in not overcoming or it will give you a
34:20
false sense of security when you do partially overcome.
34:23
So it it never actually helps you, it'll only condemn you or
34:27
it will make you feel a little proud that you did OK.
34:31
Yeah, there's wait, I'm going to point out something that might
34:36
really help us kind of understand this whole in order
34:40
or affection, like affection things.
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The I remember feeling like, you know, when I would be Amish and
34:49
I'm looking at other people that say they're Christians, but then
34:52
I look at the way they're dressed and picturing myself to
34:57
be like that was just like, you know, I would, I would feel like
35:02
I'm losing all my dignity and honor by getting rid of my
35:07
clothing and wearing something to like just common like that,
35:12
you know, just there's nothing that makes him stick out like I
35:17
I'm, I'm it was the my clothing and lifestyle was very it meant
35:24
a lot to me, evidently. Like it was where my honor and
35:28
dignity lied. It was where it it seemed
35:32
special and and worth there was worth there.
35:35
It's like if I just drop all my clothing and I wear like English
35:41
clothing, It's like I lost my honor, I lost my identity, I
35:46
lost my dignity and man, that's in order to affection like it it
35:50
the reason I'm saying it, it was a kind of a big deal to me.
35:53
It was hard to breakthrough that until I saw what it was that it
35:58
was a will worship and it was it was God was not impressed.
36:05
And now I'm like on the other side.
36:07
I want to be as common. I've tell people that I'll I'll
36:10
dress on purpose to make people think I'm not a Christian based
36:14
on the way I look. I don't want anybody to think
36:16
that I'm a believer based on the clothing I'm wearing.
36:22
I like that, Andrew. That is good because in all
36:24
reality, people seeing Christ in US should not be by our
36:29
clothing, right? They should be able to see the
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Bible says where it says that out of your belly will flow
36:37
rivers of living water right and things nurses like that's what I
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think about is what people see in you this in the see Christ in
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you like they see the spirit in you, not whether you're wearing
36:49
the right clothing. No, that doesn't mean I don't
36:52
try to be respectful. Like I was wearing a sleeveless
36:55
shirt today out mowing hay and I came in and Hannah's like, hey,
36:59
do you want to change? Because they might think you're
37:01
not non resistant because you're bearing arms.
37:06
I was getting worried a bit. You might show up with Mohawk
37:10
and tattoos and who knows what. Bear arm, bear arms, bear arms.
37:17
I thought that was pretty funny. That is funny.
37:21
Well, I know, I know. You try to be respectful because
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I've seen you go step aside and change your shirt quick.
37:30
All right, you jumped me for it. Yeah, of course we did all.
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Right Mercury, for ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ
37:40
in God. Dad I'll let you go on this but
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if anyone doesn't understand what this is talking about read
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read through Romans. That really takes this down
37:53
right to the right to the last hair of breath on how that all
37:57
works and how that looks like. Yeah, I clicked on a link today
38:03
of a local young man who was hanging around where my
38:07
daughters were for a little while today.
38:09
And he, he tries to be very spiritual.
38:11
He wants to be very sober and, and diligent and, and it there's
38:14
some respectable things about him.
38:16
He's trying very much to be like that, that hard working
38:20
discipline, no nonsense, kind of a Christian, right.
38:23
So he's taking some of that philosophy that's this world's
38:26
thing right now, like, you know, do hard things, wake up at 4:00
38:31
AM, work out hard, have cold showers that like that kind of
38:34
mentality. And he's trying to make it a
38:36
Christian thing. So he you know, he got down all
38:39
cool and casual like on his on his bed, had the video camera on
38:43
and he said something about he was going to be crucifying
38:46
himself and he was going to be having cold showers and he was
38:50
going to fast for so and so much of the of the month coming up
38:54
and he was going to avoid this and avoid that.
38:56
And I just thought like, that's as vain as it gets, especially
39:03
to publicize it. You know, like what, what are
39:06
you trying to gain from this? And, and how much deader are you
39:09
getting through a cold shower? You know that you're, you're,
39:12
you're just subjecting your body to another touch knot or a taste
39:17
knot or some kind of comfort or anything, when the text here is
39:20
so abundantly clear. And the reason why it's so hard
39:25
for most religious people to accept this concept of you are
39:29
dead is because the same reason it's hard to accept a free gift
39:34
of salvation. Like, no, no, no, no, I, I've
39:36
got to give you something. I've I've got to earn it some
39:38
way. No, no, you are you are saved by
39:42
great through faith. It's not of works, not of works
39:44
lest Amen should boast. So now they accept that.
39:47
But when it comes to freedom from sin and freedom from the
39:50
affection towards sin and religion, people just can't
39:54
accept it. They it's just too simple like
39:56
no, no, no, I've got to put something to death.
39:58
I've got to die to self. I've got to crucify the flesh.
40:01
I've got to do something. But but it says right here that
40:05
set your affection up there because.
40:09
You're dead because you're dead. Your body has been crucified
40:14
together with Christ. When Christ died, you died.
40:16
Yeah I know, but I still got all this drive.
40:19
Most just dry. Set your affection on things
40:22
above 4 because you are dead, not because you're trying to be
40:27
dead. You're not trying to put on a a
40:30
display of being dead. You are dead.
40:33
Therefore set your affection somewhere else.
40:35
Your life is hid with Christ in God.
40:38
You couldn't be more complete than being at the right hand of
40:43
the throne on high like being in Christ in God.
40:47
You know, it's, it's as complete as it gets, but the challenge is
40:52
to believe that, to accept it, to walk in it.
40:54
And that is a real challenge. But it's not about trying to
40:57
crucify yourself to become more dead or to become more in Christ
41:01
or try to get into God. The work was done when Christ
41:05
died. You died, you are dead and your
41:08
life is currently hid with Christ and God.
41:11
I am right now seated in the heaven places.
41:15
Call me crazy if you like. This is what the Bible says.
41:19
That's what I'm basing my my position on.
41:24
Yeah, and it's effective too. Melvin, I'm.
41:27
Going to let you. Go ahead, Andrew.
41:29
I got to go get a cough. Drop my throat.
41:32
Go ahead, Andrew. I'll be right back.
41:36
Oh man, now I now I'm not. I had.
41:43
All these ballots now. Now Melvin startled me.
41:48
Yeah. What?
41:49
What verse were we on again? Verse 3 for your life is hid
41:53
with oh you. Are dead, yeah.
41:55
So like you were saying that it's so hard for us to believe
42:00
that we're dead and it's in still a challenge for me.
42:04
So all of us would have to agree with the opposition when they
42:13
say, well, so you're saying your flesh is dead.
42:18
So you don't it doesn't hurt you or you're dead.
42:21
You're like, obviously in our life here, we're not dead.
42:26
This flesh is still here. We're not trying, we're not
42:32
trying to. How would I say this?
42:39
The way that I am debt to sin is by believing that I am dead.
42:43
And if I'm not completely free and debt to sin, it's my I have
42:50
a believing problem, not a deading problem like a dying
42:53
problem. I have a believing problem.
42:56
I'm So if you're not as dead to sin as you'd like to be, stop
43:01
trying to be more debtor and start believing in the promise
43:05
that you are dead. There's not a process of dying
43:08
going on here. You're circumcised with a
43:11
circumcision mate without hands. That is a one time cut.
43:15
Like Dan was saying, we don't do progressive dying here.
43:19
Like that would be like progressively cutting.
43:22
You're like, we'll do one scratch one night and then the
43:24
next night they like they say die daily, which is completely
43:28
out of context. If you look at that passage in
43:31
First Corinthians, or is it Second Corinthians where it says
43:34
I die daily? He was clearly talking about
43:36
persecution. He's not talking about dying to
43:38
the old man or sin. It's not what he's talking
43:41
about. So stop using that.
43:43
It's not what he's saying you are circumcised.
43:49
To go to try and die to yourself and die daily is to believe that
43:56
you are dead. He tell he's going to tell us a
43:58
little bit later because you are dead.
44:00
Mortify your members, which in their in their argument they say
44:06
see there he tells us to to put to death our members.
44:09
Well, it's based on the fact that we are dead, not so that we
44:12
become dead. See, don't jerk it out of
44:16
context there. So again, if you're trying to
44:18
die out of the flesh, believe it.
44:21
Believe that's the challenge is to believe that we are dead.
44:23
There's no process of dying going on here.
44:27
You believe? Well, there might be a process
44:29
in your experience in which is based on how much you believe
44:33
that you are dead. I'll give that progression
44:37
there. If there is a progression, it is
44:39
based on your faith. Yeah.
44:43
Yeah, Yeah, that's, that's good point, Andrew, that it does
44:46
because it does sometimes seem like you don't.
44:48
You don't realize it all at once.
44:49
You don't believe it all at once.
44:51
But as you see that truth to be evident, then you get more
44:55
confidence in it and act like it.
44:57
Because I don't act like I'm dead all the time at all.
45:00
Probably every day somebody could say he's not dead, and I
45:04
say yeah, and I'm working on it. Like I'm my, my one potential
45:09
rebuttal to that would be just to, to clarify, I don't think
45:13
this is what Andrew's saying, but some people might hear it
45:14
this way that OK, so I need to believe more to be dead more.
45:19
So then it still becomes this challenge of OK, I'm trying to
45:22
believe. The more I believe, the more
45:23
dead I am. I, I would say this statement is
45:26
true of you today, whether you believe it or not.
45:29
You are dead and you are free from sin.
45:32
Well, how do I, how do I realize that?
45:34
How do I accept that? Or how do I actually see the
45:37
evidence of that, believe the truth of it?
45:40
But you're not becoming more dead by believing it more you're
45:44
dead already. That happened in Christ and now
45:47
you need to believe it to see the reality of it.
45:50
Yeah, I guess I was trying to kind of help someone understand
45:53
that it will become more in your experience.
45:59
If that's what bothers you so badly that your experience says
46:03
otherwise from the promise that you are dead, you are as dead as
46:07
you're ever going to get right now.
46:09
If you're a believer, you are dead like Dan's saying, but
46:15
don't stop believing it because your experience is not quite as
46:19
100% yet. That's what I was trying to say
46:23
is allow that progression, if you want to call a progression
46:27
of your experience to become, to come to pass, if that's what you
46:33
need. I guess I just don't want to
46:35
spend any time there myself because if God says I'm dead,
46:39
I'm dead, and my experience is not going to change my mind to
46:43
whether God is lying when he says I'm dead.
46:46
God said I'm dead, so I'm dead. And does it come out that I'm
46:52
dead all the time? No, it doesn't.
46:54
But that doesn't change the fact that I'm dead.
46:56
Yeah, Thank you. Damn that.
46:59
I got to. Verify that more.
47:01
Now are you going to believe what you see, or are you going
47:04
to believe what is written? Exactly.
47:07
Exactly. Yeah, I'm going to come out at
47:10
another angle. I'll just switch turn to Romans
47:13
611 where it says likewise reckon you also yourselves to be
47:17
dead on the sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our
47:21
Lord. So uses that word reckon, which
47:24
is a it's a term that you use to in your books, like in, in the
47:30
counting term where you're reconciling your checkbook or
47:34
reconciling your books to the bank.
47:37
So in other words, that's something that I do every month.
47:41
I don't always, but I should, right?
47:44
So we should be reconciling our checkbook every month to the
47:47
bank. And that's what he's pointing
47:49
out here that we are to reconcile.
47:52
In other words, look at what the truth is, what you guys just
47:56
said. It says in caution 3/3 for ye
47:59
are dead. It says you are dead.
48:01
It doesn't say you might be or you feel like you're dead or you
48:05
should be. You are.
48:07
And so according to Romans, we're to reckon ourselves to
48:11
that, reconcile. Look at that.
48:13
And yes, that is true. That is even though I might not
48:17
be living like that or feel like I am dead today or yesterday or
48:23
whatever. But that is the truth and.
48:27
Yeah, the hardest, the hardest day to believe this to be true
48:31
is the day when you really mess up and you live and you walk
48:34
after the flesh in some way. And then you need to go back to
48:38
immediately just saying, well, that's not me.
48:40
I, I not like you're pretending like you didn't do it, recognize
48:44
you sinned. But you don't have to go back
48:47
into that habit. That doesn't have to become who
48:49
you now are because that man was crucified.
48:53
Yeah, you messed up and and there's going to be, you know, a
48:56
loss of reward for something perhaps or judgment in some way.
48:59
But all sin has been washed away and we are dead to sin now.
49:04
Currently, even the days when I mess up, you're from from that
49:08
moment that you mess up going forward, you're still just as
49:10
dead as you were before. And so it is very difficult to
49:13
say. OK God, I'm going to accept what
49:16
you say over what I see feel here taste and touch.
49:19
Just like Abraham believed he was the father of great nation
49:23
when he was beyond childbearing years and he looked over his
49:26
wife and the deadness of her womb and he didn't see any
49:29
possibility of life coming from her.
49:32
He reckoned God to be true and God to be every man to be a liar
49:38
and even himself and his own reality to be alive versus what
49:41
God has said. And so that is the challenge on
49:45
good days and bad, to recognize that what God said is true of me
49:48
now, and it is now and it is now, right?
49:51
Like no matter where you are at, no matter what you have done or
49:54
how you've behaved, the truth is still what is true, right?
49:59
Yeah, I tell you what, we're, if we guys listen, we're spending a
50:03
lot of time on this, but this is the crux of the Christian walk.
50:07
If you don't understand this point about your being in
50:12
Christ, you're always going to struggle with sin.
50:14
Guaranteed. This is the only escape route
50:17
that is out there to not do the desires of the flesh.
50:20
My testimony personally is very much that way.
50:23
I've tried alternate means and to no avail.
50:26
And so mentally, I wrote in my checkbook Ledger to a line up,
50:31
you know, you go to the bank, you get the final number, you
50:33
align your checkbook with that. It's in there.
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Leon Martin is dead in Christ. And that is a mental note that I
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have. Whether I, whether I experienced
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that is beside the point. And I tell you what, the relief
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that that truth brings to your life is phenomenal.
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I highly recommend it. I, I don't, I don't know of any
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better way to manage or whatever.
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If you want to say so. It's actually not even managing.
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It's just Simply put aside, just.
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Yeah. Good stuff.
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All right. Verse four.
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Yeah. Quick, I guess 10 minutes.
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When Christ, who is our life shall appear, then shall ye also
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appear with him in glory? Yeah.
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Kind of wraps it up here. Damn.
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Yeah. Like if you want to know to what
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extent are we in Christ? Is it just theoretical?
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Is it just positional? Is it just some ethereal sense
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or just in theological terms? It says when Christ, who is our
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very life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in
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glory. When you see Christ come back,
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all the dead Saints, all people who believe in Christ are coming
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back with Him, and they will be because they're in Him.
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Our life is hid with Christ in God, and Christ is our life.
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So when he shall appear, we shall appear with Him.
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That's how complete we are in Him.
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We are dead with Him, we are buried with Him, we are raised
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with Him, we are seated with Him, we're coming back with Him.
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And if you can't quite reconcile that in your mind, then you have
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to change your thinking about this.
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You need to check your affection and check where you are seated
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based on Christ's word, not based on what you feel here.
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See, taste and touch. Your life is hid with Christ in
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God, and when He comes back, you're coming back with Him.
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And we can't fully wrap our minds around that because it
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kind of separates us from who we are in Christ.
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It separates us from our position in Christ.
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But that's the reality. Anything that argues against it
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is something we ought to check off as this is not true.
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The truth is I'm in Christ. The truth is I'm see it there.
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Truth is, when he comes back, I'm going to appear with him.
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That's the truth. Yep.
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That would. Well, here's the thing that I
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see. We don't.
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It's sometimes, like you said, it's hard to wrap our brains
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around this, and it is. But what happens, I think is we
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tend to because we can't fully wrap our heads around it.
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And it's something that maybe we can't fully grasp.
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Then we turn to what he just thought talking about is will
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worship and and trying to, you know, mortify your your body or
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your flesh with religious acts instead of the the fact or the
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truth that we just got this done saying that you are dead with
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Christ. And that's kind of I mean, it's
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but the fact is this is that it doesn't matter.
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We don't have to fully grasp it or fully understand it.
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It is the truth and we can believe it by faith and we can
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walk in it by faith, right? That's what God wants.
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He doesn't. He's not looking for some sort
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of external thing that we're trying to do or a physical
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thing. But unfortunately, that's what
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we want to turn to. We want to turn to something
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that we can see or we can actually do, instead of actually
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believing it by faith. Right, Andrew?
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Yeah, you want to go to glory, Get in the one that is going to
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glory. Jesus Christ came to take us
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from the first Adam who fell and put us into the second Adam.
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You came to translate us from the Kingdom of darkness into the
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Kingdom of His dear Son in light of darkness to light.
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From life to death from from death to life, from
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unrighteousness to righteous, from alive and the sin to debt
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to sin, from being affectionate and compassionate about this
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world to having our affections and focus on the next World, the
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world to come. And it's pretty much all of our
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Christian life has to do with believing something that we
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can't see yet. It's a, it's, it's, it all hangs
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on that the, the element of faith and the reason that we
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struggle so much. One of the reasons we, I think
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we struggle so much is because we've spiritualized the concept
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of faith. We think it's some kind of
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mystical thing out there that God is waiting to give us some
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of this supernatural faith somehow.
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But faith is not spiritual. If I may be so bold, it's not a
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spiritual thing. If I told all four of you that
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I'm going to come out there Groundhog hunting tomorrow and
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if you hear some gunshots, you know who it is.
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If you tomorrow would hear some gunshots, you would say, oh,
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that's Andrew because you judged me according to what I said.
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You judged me faithful that I didn't just make it up that I'm
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going to come out Groundhog hunt.
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You know, like Abraham judged God faithful that he who has
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promised, he's also able to perform.
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So if my wife says we're going to have meatloaf for supper and
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somebody asked me 10 minutes later that doesn't know my wife,
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what are you going to have for supper?
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I'm not going to get all spirits and go try to feel something,
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try to muster up some kind of faith or whatever.
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I'm going to say, well, she said we're having meatloaf.
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So we're having meatloaf. You know, does that sound
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spiritual? I don't think it's faith.
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Is that spiritual? I think it's looking at the
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evidence, looking at what God has promised.
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Even the sports players, the players like the NBA or football
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teams, they talk about faith. Sometimes it's a faith that is
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not necessarily a promise, but they're looking at their team.
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They're looking at all their training.
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They're looking at the plays that they have and judging based
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on all the things that they're able to do and all the guys that
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they have and all their gifts and all the things they can do
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is like, I believe we can win this.
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I have confidence that we're going to win this.
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Now that's a very flimsy faith because there's no promise
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saying that you're going to win, but they're judging according to
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their talent. If you know what, I have faith
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that we can win this, that we can.
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Well, we have something much better than that.
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We have a God who cannot lie that told us that if we believe
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and put our faith and trust in Jesus Christ, we're dead.
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We're seated in heavenly places, We're ready to be revealed.
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We're in glory. Where God goes, we go.
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We're in him. We're in him.
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So we can't get away from glory. We're not going to escape glory.
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We're going to have to go to glory, you know, because that's
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where Jesus Christ is going. Amen.
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Says, wait, Christ, who is our life?
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He really is. Like literally that is where our
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life is and we are in him. So yeah, that's good.
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That's good. Couple couple verses I wouldn't
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mind pointing to Philippians chapter 321 Who shall change our
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vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious
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body? Colossians 127 The Christ in
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you, the hope of glory. Titus chapter 213 Looking for
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that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great
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God and our Savior Jesus Christ. Looks like we got a couple
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minutes. I was going to read first Peter
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Dan mentioned a little bit and I was going to read it the first
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time when I forgot. But this should help us too.
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Verse 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
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which according to his abundant mercy has gotten us again unto a
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lively hope. You know like that verse was
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just talking about by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
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from the dead to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled,
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that fadeth not away reserved in heaven For you who are kept by
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the power of God through faith, faith unto salvation, ready to
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be revealed in the last time when you greatly rejoice, though
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now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through
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manifold temptations, but the trial of your faith again is a
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faith challenge, being much more precious than that of gold that
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perishes, though it be tried with fire might be found under
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the praise and glory and honor of appearing of Jesus Christ.
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Here's the verse I want to talk to.
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Whom, having not seen ye love, in whom though ye now you see
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him not yet be leading. He rejoiced with joy unspeakable
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and full of joy. Well, that's good, that's good.
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John. In first, John five, he makes it
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very clear. He says he that hath the Son
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hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
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So simple. Already simple.
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Oh, that's good. Well, I'm glad we had a couple
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extra minutes to read those verses that really kind of put
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the fork in it. I think we're done now.
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All right, yeah, Thanks, Andrew, for the cherry on the top there.
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So, all right, that is it for this week, folks.
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