Latest / Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast / The Murder of Colleen Ritzer

Transcript

The Murder of Colleen Ritzer · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Nicole, and your listen.
• 0:08
  Speaker 2: You screwed it up. You're supposed you're supposed to let
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: me introduce myself to So I'm bad. I'm Nicol and
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: this is Wicked and Graham.
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: True.
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: I'm conci.
• 0:30
  Speaker 3: Your audience. I just wishing that.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: Int Okay, our intro is just getting better and better.
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: No man crying?
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I just like almost like, what are we doing?
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: You are crying. There's actual tears coming out of your things.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: Oh I needed that. I needed a laugh. Oh my gosh. Okay, welcome,
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Wicked and Crib. Bring a drink, gob your drinks.
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, our podcast, this is our podcast. We're kind of
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: a shit show, but we love it that well.
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: I normally don't drink while I'm presenting, but like I'm
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: fucking doing it today because I need this.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: It's been a week and a time.
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So if I need to like pause for a
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: minute to take a drink, I think we're gonna just
• 1:39
  Speaker 1: be okay with that.
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: That's totally cool.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, We're gonna just do it.
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because we've been while trying to sell our house,
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: and I mean by trying, we've had accepted offers but
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: there's long story short, there's just a lot of stupid
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: things going on with it, and we'll leave it at that.
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: So it's been a stressful.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: It's been a very stressful week. Yes, But it's almost
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: sure and the lot for the tiny home is almost ready.
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, So it's hopefully getting parked on its leveled out
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: spot this weekend and then we can.
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: Start moving in, decide what we want to keep and
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: stuff we can.
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: Decide we want to keep first, we got to. We'll
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: be moving in once the offer on our current house
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: actually is solidified, because there's still like some subjects to remove.
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: It's basically done, but as soon as it's done on
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: paper is when we can start moving.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All I can think about right now is I'm like,
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: next week we should try to have a normal intro.
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's literally.
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: All that's going. We can promise anything, I know, we
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: literally can't, like right, and we just we just can't.
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: We just get well, Okay, we have been promising one
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: thing very well, and that is we show up every Tuesday.
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. We've kept to that since February.
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: I don't even know.
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: I think I think it was like the last week
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: of February was our first episode and we haven't missed
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: Tuesday yet. Yeah, despite work schedules, being sick, selling a house,
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: buying a tiny home, vacations. Yeah, we've stuck through it
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: all and.
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: Here we are so and it's paying off.
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: And the best part about it is that you guys
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: are still here listening to us through it all and
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: our whole shit shows.
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we absolutely, like, just so appreciate you so much.
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have no idea the messages we get to
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: your website, email, Instagram, Facebook, It's incredible. You guys make
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: this so worth it.
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh. Yeah, because if it wasn't for that, really,
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: like we probably wouldn't be doing this.
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: Why would we be doing this? And I just want
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: to point out one thing, okay, because we've had a
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: lot of people recently who do message us and when
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: we reply, they like, oh my god, you're replying. Yeah,
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: well of course we're replying, Like I do know, we
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: miss it some sometimes, I'm sure something.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: It's pretty rare. I feel like that we miss a
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: message or comment.
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: But I mean, like, of course we're going to reply
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: to you guys. We're not famous. We're just a couple
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: with a podcast at this point.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: Really, that literally just uses an excuse to have a beverage.
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, on a Monday night, we're not in a studio.
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: We're in our spare bedroom right now, in our house,
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: where you're not anyone special with a network or anything, not.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: Yet, not yet. Hey, but I think I'm pretty special.
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you're pretty special.
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: Like in a good way. Pretty special.
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: You're pretty special, pretty special.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: Everyone's pretty special, definitely in their own way.
• 4:27
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying we're just we're just like you, guys.
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: Just the only difference is we're researching these cases and
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: talking about it to you.
• 4:34
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: That's the only difference. We're just like you.
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think honestly, will I will like always try
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: to respond. I mean sometimes it's like harder than other
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: weeks or whatever, but like I think it's important respond.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: Like that's sweet. Definitely we love hearing from you guys
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: to the yes, Yeah, we're ready, I'm ready, We're ready,
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: I'm ready, And we gave I gave zero hints for
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: this case. That's how I decided to win this week
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: by just not giving you a hint. So this is
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: the story of Colleen Ritzer, and I think it's like
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: a pretty well known story. I feel like we've done
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: some that aren't as well known, but I think this
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: is pretty well known. So Colleen is a teacher at
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: Danvers High School. She's a math teacher. To be exact.
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: It had always been Colleen's dream to be a teacher,
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: and she excelled at math, so that is how she
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: decided that she would teach that subject. Being just twenty
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: four and a new teacher, Colleen lived at home in Andover, Massachusetts, Massachusetts, Massachusetts,
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: with her parents, Peg and Tom, which was about half
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: an hour away from where she worked in Danvers. She
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: was the oldest child. She had a brother who was
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: away at college, and a sister who was a senior
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: in high school. And I don't think she was a
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: senior in the same high school that Colleen worked, but
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: I couldn't necessarily find that out. I think she probably
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: was a senior at Andover High School. Okay, and Colleen
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: worked at Divers Okay, okay, fair enough. And she was
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: a family gal. She loved her family. They sounded like
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: they were like a close family.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, like I just love that. Love
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: your family, Yes, well, if they're I mean, some people
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: are crazy, but they're not crazy. You love your family,
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: love them anyway.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, love those who would love you.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: How's that that's true? Yeah, that's true?
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: And fun fact, I think I might have told you
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: this before, but you know that saying blood is thicker
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: than water?
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: Do you know the full saying is actually the blood
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: of the coven is thicker than the water of the womb.
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I've heard that too.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the relationships you bond with those in your coven,
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: your friends, even your family, those who you are close
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: with and you bond these relationships with through trials, tribunes
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: and through your life are greater than those that you're
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: just born into. So just because you're born into this
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: family doesn't mean you have to be close, be close
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: with the ones who appreciate you and love you and
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: are in your your coven. That's what I'm saying.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe she's born with it. Yeah, it's all that went
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: through my mind when you're saying that, Which is.
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: What's Maybe it's Maybeline?
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: Is it Maybeline?
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's Maybeling.
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I always say like your friends are your
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: chosen family, right, because I say that often.
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: So there's nothing against family, but I'm just saying you
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: don't have any obligation, is my only point.
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if they are assholes to you, then yeah,
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: you know that's that. I think that's what we're saying.
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: So anyway, Colleen liked her family and they were close.
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: Though, so they weren't assholes.
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: So that was quite a dangent there, That's funny. At
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: the time of Colleen's story, it was the Fall of
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, and she loved Fall and she loved Halloween.
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, she's my kind of girl.
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you already didn't think she was sweet,
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: now you don't.
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's cool now, definitely super cool. Halloween is the
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: best euro upsess.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like we already have Halloween shit in our stories
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: on Instagram or on our feed.
• 8:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah we do. It's just gonna get worse did weeks ago.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: It's just gonna get worse.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: So it was calling second year teaching at I'm gonna
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: call it DHS Danvers High School. DHS was grade nine
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: to twelve and had about one thousand students. She was
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: afe teacher and she tried to make herself relatable and
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: connect with her students. So this is super cool. She
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: had a Twitter account where she would engage with her
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: students with like jokes, tips, reminders kind of thing.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's still out there. So I was like kind
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: of scrolling, but I'm like that's super cool, Like good
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: for her.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: That's definitely a way to engage in. Like I don't
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: want to say get down on their level, because I'm
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: not saying like get down like they're a low level,
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: but like, you know, be with them it they're in
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: their atmosphere.
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: Totally, because yeah, she would or she would have like
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: or you're what were some of her posts like your
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: test marks are up? Or like little homework assignment things
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: like it was just and then like little like memes
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: of like math stuff.
• 9:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: See that's a great way to communicate with your kids.
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's awesome. So I'm like, you're sweet.
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: I wanted to I want a teacher who'd I want
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: to go back to high school just so I can
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: have a teacher who'd post memes. I know social media.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I think like not that all teachers don't, but
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: like some I think definitely care more about like their
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: students success. And I think that she really she was
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: one of those that, like, you know, really went above
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: and beyond.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's that's a teacher you want.
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: I know she's she was, She's terrific. So she normally
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: arrived at school early. This particular morning, the morning of
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: October twenty second, she would arrive just before seven am.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't like any other day for many reasons.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: But to start off with, it was dressed like your
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: friend day. Oh nice, which is like super cool.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: That's a good warm up to Halloween coming up too,
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: because it's twenty seconds. Yeah. Yeah.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: Like my favorite day of those themes or whatever was
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: Pajama Day. I was obsessed with pajamitay Jammy day was
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: pretty dope jamm Day or wacky hair Day.
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do a lot. My favorite, though, I
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: gotta say, Pirate Day was pretty sick.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: Did we have those kind of as in high school
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: or was that more elementary?
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: It was more elementary, though we did have someone in
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: high school.
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: Did we? I can hardly remember.
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: I remember Pirate Day specifically because there was one kid
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: who showed up dressed like a ninja on Pirate Day
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: and I thought it was hilarious.
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: That's why you remember it. Yes, Oh that's so awesome.
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, who shows up dressed like a pirate when
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: it's like an Asa, when it's Pirate day, it's a black.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: Person did, and they probably thought they were sweet. Probably
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: you were like I thought of that.
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: So carrying her black tope bag and lunch bag, Colleen
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: wore a purple shirt and black pants to match her
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: friend and fellow math teacher, Sarah Colle, went about her
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: day with nothing seeming to be outside of the ordinary.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: After formal classes were done, the school had a period
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: called Bubble Period between one fifty five and two to thirty.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: And this is like super cool. It's appeared in which
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: students could study or see teachers for extra help. Teachers
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: made themselves available between this time.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's sick.
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's genius. Yeah, that's a good way to actually
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: get that extra help you might need because rather than
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of times you're back and forth between classes
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: or trying to get there after school and still trying
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: to catch the bus or a four class and it's
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: just hectic. So having that open time designated to that
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: glorious Well.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were like a kid that had to take
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: the bus. I never had to take the bus, so
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: it's like if you have to catch your bus, like
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: there's absolutely no way you can step behind to talk
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: to a teacher exactly. Huh. So that it's like amazing.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: I think that's perfect. Sorry, I still have a little
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: bit of a cough.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe you should take a drink of your booze, my
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: booth of your booze.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes me cough more or less?
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe more maybe less.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: It's a peach rosemary. What would this be called?
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: Uh spread seltzer.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: There you go, super very delicious.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: It sounds disgusting, Okay.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: The first time I actually take a sip, I was like,
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: this is disgusting. Yes, but I I just ever since
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: that first sip, I've loved it.
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: Now after that first yeah, yeah, I crave it. Shout
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: out to our local brewery, Trench because they brew it.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's honestly amazing. I don't know if
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: I've ever had another, like a better can.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that combination though, it just doesn't sound right to me.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: Peach and rosemary. That's like saying you're gonna have a
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: nice peach pie with turkey dinner. And it's like those
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: combinations don't generally work.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they don't, but it's it's it's phenomenal. Yeah,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: tenada ten, ten out of.
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: Ten, not like eleven out of ten or ten and
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: a half.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when when did ten outa ten not become good enough?
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: Let's just talk about that.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: You know, you have a point because.
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nowadays it's like tenada ten isn't good enough. It's
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: got to be like twenty out of ten. Ten out
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: of ten is one hundred percent. It's a perfect score,
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: No, you got to go one hundred and ten percent.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: Oh my goness anything going on? Because that's like, no,
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: everyone doesn't get a ribbon here.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: But I want a ribbon? Can I have a rub?
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: That might be an unpopular opinion? I don't know. Sorry,
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: I apologize, No, I agree, Okay, moving on, So now
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: it comes to introducing introducing Philip Chisholm. So, Philip is
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: a fourteen year old. He was a freshman at d
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: h S.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: Can I interrupt for a second? Yeah, are you really
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: going to escape by the fact that his name is
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: Philip Chisholm?
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Why what's so funny?
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: It sounds like Philip chism Philip.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, yeah, if you're a fourteen year old boy,
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: I'm thirty three, thank you. No, I didn't catch that, Ben,
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: I was the first thing that popped in my head.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, there was actually something else in here
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: that was like kind of like fourteen year old boyish.
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: And I took out because I was like, Ben, just
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: gonna comment about that.
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: Sorry, it's okay.
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a store. It was called like it
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: was called BJ's or something DJ's something like, yeah, it
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: came out anyway though, whatever, in case you're wondering, Okay, continue, okay, Okay,
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: So where the frig was I? Okay? So he was fourteen.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: He was a freshman, and he had recently moved from Tennessee.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: He moved to Danvers with his mom, who and his
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: parents had recently separated. Kind of like, I don't think
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: it was the best separation of all times.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Well, no separation is really good?
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: Probably not. No. Well, I mean I've heard of some
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: that aren't too bad, I don't think, and there's some
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: that are particular bad, and I think this one was
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: probably more on their particular bad side. So, but he
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: was seeming to fit in all right. He made a
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: couple friends and excelled on the freshman soccer team. Okay,
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: right on, so Pamela Foss I think it's her last name.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Another teacher at DHS described Philip as a quiet, but
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: cordial student. Is that how you say that? Cordial?
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what you're reading.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Sure, I don't know an average student cordial?
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's like polite.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't quite right this average student.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: I can't say that. I know what words you aren't
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: trying to say. Now, I can't say it because I'm
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: like thinking about it, you know, when that happens.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do that all the time.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Because I can remember cordially cordial court.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Is there ever gonna be an episode where we're all
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: sounding out words?
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Probably not?
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, So recently asking to move Philip recently asked to
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: move from the regular history class into the honors history
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: class because he wanted more of a challenge. But he
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: was also just an average student who missed some homework assignments.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: So I think, like, I don't know, maybe he.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Just liked history, you know, Yeah, maybe, but.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I put that in there. But I also didn't want
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: it to make him sound like a superstar, because wow,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: he's not so. That particular day, Otober twenty second, there
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: was a quiz in Pamela's history class, and Philip did
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: very well on the quiz. She noticed nothing unusual about
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: his appearance or his behavior in class. Philip's last class
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: of the day before the bubble period was Colleen's math class.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Philip arrived to math class lightly after one, wearing a
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: red sweatshirt, a black and yellow backpack on his back,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: and carrying a red draw string backpack. I just had
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: a thong when I said that, which is really weird.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: When the bubble period started at one with my brain
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: is just all over the place today. Philip and another
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: student named Autumn stayed behind in Calling's class, like to
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: get help or whatever. Colling wasn't after math help, however,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: but she rather just really liked Colleen as a teacher.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: She was like her favorite teacher okay, and wanted to
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: just stay behind and visit with her.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Gotcha some chill time.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: That's really cool. So Colling like, yeah, that she's liked.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Audamn drew on the board as Philip and Colleen spoke.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: She said they spoke of Philip being from Tennessee and
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: how he really missed it there. Autumn said, Colleen was
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: super nice about it, but Philip was coming across kind
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: of annoyed with Colleen's questions and answered in like low
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: mumblely tones, appearing so he kind of like was appearing
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: to not want to talk about Tennessee. I suppose.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: So at one point, Colleen stepped out to talk to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: her friend Sarah, the one that she had been she
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: was twinning with right.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: The purple shirt twin Yeah, gotcha.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: And Philip then went to the board to draw with Autumn.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: They talked about drawing, and Philip had told Autumn that
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: she was a good jar. Philip would write his name
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: on the board in Chinese, which Autumn thought was super cool.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Autumn said, Philip came across the fine did not mumble
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to her at all, and they just had like a
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: relatively normal conversation. Okay, So meanwhile, Colleen and Sarah we're
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: out in his building.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm just like, did you st even know much
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: about I know a very little bit. I know who
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: the victim and who the perpetrator is. That's about it. Okay.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: So meanwhile Colleen and Sarah were out in the hallway,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: chatting about a meeting that Sarah just had. At one point,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Sarah asked Colleen if she needed to get back into
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: her classroom to help her students. Colleen said Autumn was
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: just in there drawing on the whiteboard, and she honestly
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: didn't know why Philip was there. They continued their conversation,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: speaking about shampoo and a teacher or a student having headlace.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Sarah was also having car issues, so Colleen asked if
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: she needed a ride home, which she unfortunately did not,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: so Colle went back into her classroom.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I bet you her friends feels terrible about that, though.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Hey, well, terrible for not needing a ride home, okay,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: because I honestly don't know. I don't know if that
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: would have changed the outcome.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well was it? Sorry, was it Colleen needing the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: ride home?
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: No, this is a friend, Colleena.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I thought you meant that, maybe, Colleen.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, that would have probably changed the outcome.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got it backwards.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know either way, wouldn't change the outcome,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: but still like shit might have got figured out of
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: it sooner. So when Colleen returned to her classroom, she
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: told Autumn and Philip that she would be leaving soon.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Autumn packed up to leave first. As she was leaving,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: she told Colleen that she was like the best teacher
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: ever and such a great person and she really liked her.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, the fields.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, you know, you're doing a good job when
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you can impact a student like that, And that might have.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Been the last conversation she had, so just dropping that
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: bomb right there. Fuck. Autumn said this, however, seemed to
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: annoy Philip and make him angry. Autumn that she was
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: like liking Colleen.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, given that praise, Autumn.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Left the classroom, leaving Philip and Colleen alone. At this
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: point in the date, there weren't many students left in
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that particular area of the school. But before leaving for
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the day, Calling left her classroom to head to the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: nearest girl's bathroom. And this is where shit goes.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: So my friends, buckle up, ladies and gentlemen, take a
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: swig of that.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Drink, and let's let's do it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: So Philip, still in the classroom, initially starts following Calling
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to the bathroom shortly after she left, like why the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: fuck is he following her to the bathroom, Like, don't
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: fall her to the bathroom. Yeah, And like as I'm
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: researching this, I'm like calling, look the fuck behind you, please.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Please no, But she didn't.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: She didn't. So basically, like our lesson for the fucking
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: day is like, if you're going to the bathroom, just
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: look behind you.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: If you're gonna go number two, then make sure you
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: look behind.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: You, even number one.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Man, all of the above, Okay, if you go into
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the bathroom, look behind you, behind you.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Keep it. Then she's like in a place where she's comfortable, right,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and her guard, her guard is who?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: But that that reminds me of that movie. Was it
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Zombie Land? I don't know, you don't know. I don't
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: remember the there's a movie Zombie Land. I'm trying to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: remember the actors. I can picture them in everything. Anyways,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: through the movie, it's a zombie apocalypse movie, but it's
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: like kind of comedy as well.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I heart zombies or no, did I make that out?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: That's a different one. I heart something else. Anyways, it's
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: got Woody Harrelson in it. Anyways, throughout the movie there's
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: like Rules of the Apocalypse's one character made up, and
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: one of the rules is like, when you're in your vehicle,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: always check the backseat. Okay, that kind of reminded me
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of that when one of the bathroom, always look behind you.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: But I just envision myself like walking to the bathroom
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and like checking behind me. You would almost look suspicious
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: doing that, not you personally saying me, like I look
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and I said that, but like if I'm like look
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: in the bathroom and then I look around, people are like,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: what the fuck's she going to do in the bathroom.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if you're in a high school, Yeah, go
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: to the bathroom.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, But who cares if people think you suspicious?
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Just look out for yourself? Really, yeah, okay, watch you six.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So Philip had also changed from the wet the red
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: sweatshirt he had been wearing all day into a light
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: blue hooded sweatshirt, and he had the hood up concealing
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: his face. So as he has he followed Colleen, he
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: briefly scanned the hallway and checked his pockets while looking
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Colleen's direction, and he was also in the process of
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: putting white gloves on as he walked, Like is this
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: not like like nightmare material? Or what really?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I I'm pretty sure you're gonna answer this
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: later on, but I'm just if Colleen didn't see this,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: then how do we know that this is what he
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: was doing?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Uh? Cameras okay in the hallway?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Gotcha? Okay?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically, like you're heading into the bathroom in
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a place that you think is safe, but no one
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: is around, and you have some dude following you who's
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: changed his outfoot, has his hood up, and is pulling
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: on some fucking gloves.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: So whatever he's about to do is clearly premeditated.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, like do you just carry well, I
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: don't know, do you just carry the.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Shit in your well? He's carrying a spare hoodie to
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: put on the first and then Latex or whatever nitrol gloves,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and he's putting them on, whether he just so happened
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: to have them or he carried them in expecting to
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: do this, regardless of that situation, he's putting them on
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: in preparation of what he's about to do.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Get totally premeditated, like he and he had box cutters
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: in his pocket.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: There we go.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure if you're following with some of the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: bathroom like that, you're not up, You're up to no good.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: So Colleen enters the bathroom. I imagine she's doing her business.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Philip is outside the bathroom door, listening briefly before he
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: also enters the bathroom. As I said, he has a
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: box cutter in hand. And they were in this bathroom
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: for eleven minutes.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Shit, I can only imagine, like, I'm I'm wondering if
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: that bathroom locks the inside or something.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't, no, Like I'm about just to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: say it, like so the next sentence shows that it doesn't,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but it's like it could have, but he didn't lock it,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: which I thought was really weird.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because my imagination immediately went like, you're in the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: bathroom and you hear someone come in and then you
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: just hear the lock just click.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would literally die. Oh great, now
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be listening for that. That's just too much. Okay,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it's just too much, Okay, deepress. Okay, So after eleven minutes,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: a female student named Danielle entered the bathroom. She only
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: briefly walked in and then out, saying she saw a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: person's butt with skin of a skin tone darker than
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: her own. The person the butt was leaning towards the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: sink and do there was like a half wall that
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: blot blocked most of her view. She could not see
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the person's upper body, and she could not see Colleen.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: She couldnt see it. She didn't see any blood or
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: anything out of the ordinary other than the butt, and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: simply thought that she walked in on like a student
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: changing or something, and left and found another bathroom. Shit. Yeah,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: so at this point though, that was the dude, like
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: cleaning up is what it was.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Sure, So at this point, sure, Philip thinks that he's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: been caught, right, Like, he wasn't finished at this point,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: so caught doing exactly what you're probably wondering. But for now,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let your imaginations go. So Philip exits
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the bathroom and the process of him hiding his crime start,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and it's like, honestly enough to make you ill, Like
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a lots of times when I'm researching, I just feel ill.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's normal, but I'm like.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: We're researching some dark stuff. I know, like it's it's
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: pretty good.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I love true crime and stuff. But then just like
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: getting down deep into it, well, and.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Even sometimes a lot, Yeah, it is, But even sometimes,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: like you, we're reading up on how these things were done,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: and we're not trying to copy articles word for word
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: or anything, so we are trying to describe it in
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: our own ways. So we're trying to picture it, reimagine it,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and then put it into words, which makes it like
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that much more heavy when we're researching.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're reading something and then you digest it
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and then you spill it out in your own words
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. So yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Before I finished just researching this today and I had
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: to go have a hot shower before it was like,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, did.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: You look behind you before you went in the bathroom?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Well, no, shit, I didn't.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: What if Kiwi was following you?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I know. Okay, So he exits the bathroom still wearing
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the blue sweatshirt he entered the bathroom wearing, and was
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: now carrying Colleen's black pants over his arm. He also
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: had her underwear in his possession, so there's a big
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: old hint of what might have went down in there.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The button shit, Yeah, now, I'm certain to I
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: kind of thought of that, but I was really hoping not.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he did it. He had blood on his
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: right hand, but no obvious blood was seen on him
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: other than that. He was quick to walk down the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: hallway and stairs and exit the building. A student's mother
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: waiting in her car saw Philip crouched down in the bushes.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: She said he was changing or pulling up his pants
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: or something and looking around as if to check to
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: see if anyone was watching him. He then walked up
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the sidewalk back to the and back to the school.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: He had removed his hoodie and was now wearing a
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: white T shirt and no longer carrying Colleen's pants. So
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of like coughing still, So I do take a.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Drink a drinking game. Every time Nicole coughs, you take.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: A drunk, well, like this is the longest cold in history. Hey,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: but the cough usually hangs on. Yeah, yeah, it's a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: little bit annoying. Kicking his ass though, you don't get baby, Yeah,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I am okay. So, as he entered the school once again,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: he ran back up to Colling's second floor classroom, and
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: we so we know this. This is where I was
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: going to say it because of like the camera's filming
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: in the hallways and such, right, mm hmmm, so they
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: had a security system. Basically, he was quick to emerge
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: from the classroom now with his his red sweatshirt over
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: his head and carrying collings, black tote bag and lunch
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: bag and his own backpack. So he went and grabbed
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: her shit, which I for as long as when I
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: read that, I was like, that's so fucked. But I guess,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I guess you would. I don't know.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's not going to be able to hide, Like,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: what's he going to do. It's an active school. He's
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: not gonna be able to drag the body out and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: hide it somewhere.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Oh he does?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Really did he not get seen other than the cameras?
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: But how did he not have someone see it?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Just you wait, just you wait.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Because my thought, my thought process was there's no way
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: he can drag a body out of the bathroom. So
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: if you can't drag a body out of the bathroom,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: what's the point of dragging the possessions out because she's
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: going to be found.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, she leaves the bathroom. She leaves the bathroom. Okay,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the next sentence has a very big hint. So he
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: walked down the stairway well carrying her items and headed
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: towards the school's recycling bins where this recycling bins are
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: stored and ditch the items that he was holding and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: put on his red T shirt and a black bella
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: clava face mask. He was headed back. I like, what's
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the point in disguising yourself, especially at this point too,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: But he is still he's still doing that. So he
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: had a backupstairs to the bathroom calling was in when
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: he came across his friend. He was looking for him.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: So his friend's name is Ramsey, I think, and Ramsey
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: was waiting for him because they were supposed to meet
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: before soccer practice started at four, just to like pre practice,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I guess. Okay, So Ramsey had been waiting for him
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: in the soccer fields, but when he didn't arrive, he
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: went looking for him. So like Phillips grew up there,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like kidding and as if to lead Ramsey
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: away from the bathroom, Philip sort of like walking backwards
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: facing Ramsey, but leading him away from the crime scene.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: And just like, no, I'm not even gonna say that,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: that might give away too much. So Ramsey noticed Philip
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: was sweating and kind of like looking scared and asked, well,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like, what are you doing? Man? Like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: what's going on? So Philip saying he had just lost
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: something and couldn't find it. He told his friend not
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: to worry about it and to go back to the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: soccer field and he would be there shortly. But Ramsey
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: was a good friend and he asked what he lost
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and can he help him. Philip said it was nothing
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and again told Ramsey to head to the soccer field.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: He then began to jog away from Ramsey, so like
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: run away from him, but Ramsey followed him downstairs, saw
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Philip grab a recycling bin and head towards the elevator,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: asking him what he was doing. But again same response,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: So he listened to Philip this time and headed to
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the soccer field.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: None of that seems suspicious as fuck to him, like
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a gonna do. Your friend's wearing a bella clava after
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: school hours, sweating, walking backwards or making eye contact with you,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: say oh, don't worry, I just lost something. Go back
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to the soccer field and you're like, oh, I'll help
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: you find it. No, it's nothing, I got it.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But what would you do. What would you do?
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know, tell a fucking teacher.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I guess, I mean, I guess that's one thing you
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: could do.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Someone's acting real suspicious in the hallway, wearing a Bella Clova,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: sweating and trying.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And grabbing a recycling bit like I don't know, cause yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: he grabs his fucking recycling bin and goes into the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: elevator to like bring it upstairs.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: So he's gonna he's gonna go dismember her and shove
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: her in a garbage can and wheel her out.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Hey, I don't think he needed to dismember, No, he doesn't.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Just she just fits in there. Oh really okay, Like
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it's like our garbage bin outside. I think a body
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: would fit in there, Not that I've ever thought about that,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: it would.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Wow. If you guys ever, just I'm gone, I'm missing
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: one day. Please check our garbage can.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I don't even know if you can
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: get away with that. Well, anyway, he was in the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: bathroom for or where am I here? Okay, there am
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: So He's in the bathroom for several minutes before rolling
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the bin outside of the of the bathroom into the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: elevator and out of the school, appearing calm and undisturbed.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: At this point, he was seen by many people rolling
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: this bin wear is mel Haveva outside the school and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: attempting to take it up a rocky steep incline into
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the woods behind the school. Like a lot of people
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: saw him doing this. But I think, I don't know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Kids are kind of weird, right, so
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: maybe you're just like, I don't know, I.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Can understand, like, Okay, people are seeing it, and it's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: like they're gonna think nothing of it. But they're gonna
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: think something of it when a body's found a couple
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: days later.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then they're gonna definitely be like, okay, yeah
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that was actually really fucked up.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you don't want people seeing that ship because
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: they're going to connect the dots, like, my man, what
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: are you doing?
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Because so he couldn't get it up the hill, Like
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, like her body's in there, like it weighs
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a lot. It's weighs more like she's not like it
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't weighs a lot, but like it it's.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: A full grown adult and a child is trying to
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: move this up a hill through rocks.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're trying to say basically, oh yeah.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: So then he ends up taking it to like another
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: section of the woods, so like yeah, people are like
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that is just like I don't know what I I
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: just let that go. But then like what then you're
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: think you're a crazy person, Like you're gonna call this school,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: like I just saw this this kid, Like I.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Don't know, I would think it's probably just some kids
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: stealing a bin.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: But then it's like, Okay, a body's found. Well actually
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: it's a kid.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: But then then you'd probably be like kind of like shit,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I should have said something anyway.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Anyway, then you say something.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah at that point, but it's too late. So he
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: was in the woods for twenty five minutes. And here's
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: where I'll start to share what kind of went down,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: because I made you steal on it long enough. Okay,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So from the autopsy performed, so yes, Colling does die,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and the forensic evidence and crime scene photographs, here's what happened.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Can I can I ask a quick question?
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Of course?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: How is she found? How is your body found?
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Oh we'll get there, man, Oh okay, we'll get there. Okay,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you don't get to know that yet well, sorry, just
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: calm yourself.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I'm calm, I'm calm.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Okay. So Philip, he's an athlete and physically larger actually
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: than Colleen. Colleen I think was like five six or something,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: but like at fourteen, like this dude, I guess he
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: had grown and he was like tall.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I was just expecting some little shrimp like an adult.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, now he was tall, so he quickly overwhelmed her
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: in the bathroom. The autopsy revealed pinpoint hemorrhaging on Colleen's
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: face okay, and around her eyes and mouth, showing that
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Philip had initially strangled Colleen while presumably raping her, as
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: his sperm cells were found inside her body. Philip also
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: repeatedly stabbed and sliced Colleen's necks neck with the box
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: cutter he had. And when I say like stabbed and sliced,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: like he went to town, which is unfortunate.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Like multiple times and deep or like one like over.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Repeatedly over areas and stuff. It was also so it
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: was impossible to determine definitively how many times Philip applied
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the box cutter blade to her neck because portions of
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the neck were penetrated or slashed again and again and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: again and again in so many overlapping locations basically, but
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: there were sixteen distinct neck wounds, many of them would
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: have caused death. So I'm like, no medical expert. I
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: feel like it'd be helpful being a medical excerpt, but
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not, so I don't know a lot about like
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the different areas of the neck. But he cut through
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: colleens cart how do you say that one carartid artery
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: carotid carartid artery? So am I saying that right now?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Carotid arate?
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Oh man, we should be making light of this. Her
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: trache yet and nicked her vertebrae, So like some serious
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: force would have had to been like used because it's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: not like he was just cutting through like skin and muscle,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: like he was gotten through shit, and like the blood
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: right for cutting through the artery would be like intensive, I imagine.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Definitely well, and like your artery connects directly to your
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: heart and so when your heart pumps, yeah, you get
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: a pump of blood through your artery, so it's.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I was gonna I was gonna say this later,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: but I'll just say it now. So like I don't
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: because there there's a gray area if she was like
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: dead before she got into taken to the woods. Okay,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: but like for that that student to have come in
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and not have like seen much blood or like for Philip,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: he had left the bathroom and on camera like only
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: had a little bit of blood on his hand. It
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: almost makes you seem like she was only really strangled
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe you know, maybe a bit of.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Cutting, but not a lot, I don't think, and she
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: could have still been alive.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Well do you go into the crime scene at all?
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: How much blood was in the bathroom?
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: There's not really ever said like anywhere where there's a
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: shit ton of blood really, yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Because like that's gonna.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Be a lot of work, like a lot and like
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Philip never had very much time to clean anything up.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But then and there was one report, like there's different
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: there's always like different reports, right, And there was one
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: where it did say the janitor he there was miscommunication
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: because he was foreign or something. He ended up cleaning
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: up the crime scene. But I'm like, dude, if this
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: janitor goes into the into a bathroom that's there's blood everywhere,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think he's going to just clean it up.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's gonna be like, yeah, okay,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: like I'm going to clean the ship.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I I just don't think that he would,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: like even if there was like a miscommunication, I just don't.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I can see if it's like maybe oh, there's a
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: little bit of blood student had a nose bleed and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: he mops that up or something, but like if there's
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: arterial spray in puddles, no.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean Philip could have had some time
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to clean it up. But so yeah, I don't think.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think it all was in the bathroom. It's
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: just my opinion, my guess.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Because I'm going to say that she was strangled enough
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: that she was unconscious, relocated to the woods, and then
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: she was out there, discovered, he discovered she was still alive,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: cut her throat out there, and I'm assuming that she
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: was left for at least long enough for blood to
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: soak in the ground, rain to wash it away, maybe
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: animals to get to it.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess technically you may not even find
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of blood out there something.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: So again, as a hunter, it doesn't take much for
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: blood to soak in the ground and for rain to
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: wash blood away.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: But then say, if he killed her like by strangulation, yeah,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and then did all this cutting in the woods, but
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: she was already dead, would it bleed much? It would Yeah,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: it's still would bleed, Yeah, you would.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: You'd have some coagulation in the blood. There would be
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: some lumps and chunkiness basically, but yeah, there there would
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: be liquid blood for quite something, yeah something.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: So I think like if he really was cutting her
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: neck a lot in those areas in the bathroom, like
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: you would have known about it. Like, I don't think
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: you would have gotten that cleaned up. Were so anyway, anyway,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: let's just carry on with the story.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: We're really getting technical.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Colleen ultimately died of sharp force injuries to
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the neck and strangulation. The two causes of death were
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: basically determined because the sharp force injuries and this the
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: like afphixiation were each lethal, and there was no way
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: to precisely like sequence.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: The events, Yeah, which one occurred first or anything.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: However, it was said that one could draw the conclusion
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that strangulation was inflicted first because the difficulty one may
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: have strangling a neck that was in the condition of colleens.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, that's a visual one and a half,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: thank you, no kidding. And here is where I was
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: going to say, It's unclear if Calling would have still
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: been alive when she was put into the recycling bin.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So this is where oh my goodness, Okay, So Philip
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: has brought her into the woods and positioned Collin's body
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: on the ground, on her back in the frame of
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: a fallen section of fence. He had her purple shirt
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: an undershirt pushed up and her broad down so her
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: breasts were exposed. She was also like had no pants on, right,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and her legs were spread open, and he had a
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: stick a twig inside her. So he also, this motherfucker
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: raped her with an inanimate object.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Fuck fucking Fillip, Like.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Isn't that Like he's fourteen, Like that's just disgusting discuss anyone,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: for anyone, let alone a child. But it's just like,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I just think back to what was I doing when
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I was fourteen, and I like, I just don't think
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I could even have imagined something like that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I was scooting around on my skateboard, playing Pokemon on
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: my game Boy, Like that's what I was doing at fourtune.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Oh my word, Okay, So the recyclingment was discarded, along
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: with his black backpack, to white gloves, to black socks,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: and a fold of note reading I hate you all.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: It's believed Philip inflicted some of the injuries to colling
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: neck in the bathroom, given how many wounds there is,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: but the depth of them, some of them were done outside.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: So sorry, I actually think we already kind of talked
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: about this. I sort of skipped ahead here.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean he did, like go ahead and rape
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: her with.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: A stick, so he were in there twenty five.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Minutes, but I mean like in the woods. Oh sorry, yeah,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: twenty five minutes in the woods. So if he's going
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: to go ahead and position her, spend the time to
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: do that and do ridiculously gross things with inanimate objects,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he went to town with a knife again too, probably,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Like it's.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Just so disrespectful, Like, I mean, it's just disgusting.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: It's horrifically disgusting.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: So before leaving Colleen's body, like, yeah, he's gross.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: He's not even recycled being worthy, he's trash worthy.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's it's gross. It's just gross. So he
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: then covered her body up with like leaves and forest
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: debris and left her there. So when he emerged from
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the woods, he was barefoot with the front of his
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: jeans soaked with blood. So that's why I think a
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: lot more shit happened in there. He returned to school,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: collected some additional belongings from his locker, changed out of
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: his bloody pants into shorts, and briefly re entered the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: second girls the second floor girls bathroom, or like the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: crime scene happened. He then exited the school and re
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: entered the woods for an additional twelve minutes. Fucker in
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and out, I know. Oh, he's even more so. So
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: then he returns to the school once again, travels around
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: various places on the scroll grounds, and then runs into
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: like another friend named Kevin, who he knew from church activities.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Kevin said they had a normal conversation and Philip seemed
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: his normal self, which is like, seriously, he just like
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: killed his fucking teacher. Apparently Kevin had texted Philip earlier,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: but Philip didn't answer, and he just said it was
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: because he ran out of minutes, not because he just
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: murdered his fucking teacher. Philip had a snack and left
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the school grounds around five four thirty five.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: So is he just chilling, just hanging around just because
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: just like.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Constantly wandering all over the place, like he was just.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: All over the fucking So he wasn't doing anything particular,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: he was just wandering chilling.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Well, like I'm sure he had a mission. Like he
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: like he went back to the bathroom, He went to
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: his locker, he changed, He went back to his friend,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: he had a snack.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, he went to the locker to get his
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: fucking fruit roll up and walk around.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: And change his fucking soaked ass jeans. Jeez, later, kid, Oh,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: he's making you angry.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: He made me really angry.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Later that evening, when he didn't return home, Philip's mum
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: reported him missing. She was in touch with his soccer coach,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: who said he didn't show up to practice, so a
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: search began for him. Colleen's parents were also worried at
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: this time because Colleen was like a real creature of
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: habit and would arrive home pretty much every day at
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: relatively the same time around three point thirty. She would
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: always go find her mom, who worked from home, and like,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: ask her mom how her day went, and tell her
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: how her day went. And I was just like, oh,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: my heart, that's so kind. Then she'd sit on the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: coach and plan her lesson for the next day, and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: then the dinner, and then the family would have dinner together.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: So Colleen's family headed to the school. You know she
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't home, saw that her car was there, still parked
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: in the parking lot, and her sweater was in her
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: classroom chair, but nothing else of hers was there. And
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: her disappearing like this, like without giving them a phone
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: call or something, was just not like we can already
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: tell it's it's not on her character.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, not like her.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: So they had two people missing for ten you're a
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: boy and a twenty four year old teacher, and investigator's
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: minds are probably just like, what the fuck happened here?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: M hm?
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: So meanwhile, Philip was at the movies. Oh.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: One of the biggest things about this is how little
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of fucks this I know, fucking TOWRP gives.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like he gives two fucks.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: No, he's in an out of it's just way wandering,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: eating a fucking I don't know, oreos, fruit roll up,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: whatever the fuck, and he's going to the theater.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: You ready for this?
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: What So in addition to stealing colleens underwear, he also
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: stole her iPhone and wallet, and he used her credit
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: card to buy himself Wendy's.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Of course he fucking did. And that movie ticket, of
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: course he fucking it. What's the point of even trying
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: to hide the crime if you're gonna do that?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I mean, like he's also
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: like fourteen, I don't know. Then maybe in his brain
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: he thinks this is that he's doing a good job.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: So the investigators, upon their search of the school, did
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: not or they did find an alarmingly clean bathroom. There
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: was one very faint, missed, bloody handprint, though, and this
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: led them to watch the video recording of the hallways,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and this is when they got like a better picture
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: of the fucking shit show. Yeah, for like example, Colling
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: went to the bathroom but never came out, and she
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't in there, and like a bin, a recycling bin,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: came out of there.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of shit. And then anyone see a
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: kid with a bella clava wheeling a recycling bin around? Oh,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: you mean the one that fucking millions of people saw
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: going to the backwoods over there.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my gosh, it's just it just like makes
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: your stomach up. So now emong eating Wendy's and being
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: at the movies. Philip was captured like on numerous cameras
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: basically around town and other businesses including shoplift, shoplift a
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: hunting knife. So he's not he's just not a good kid.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: And like, I didn't even put this in there, but
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: like there was apparently like no warning signs of this.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: That's weird, you know, And so that seems weird. I mean,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe just turning a blind eye,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: but like, this kid's a bad motherfucker.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I think clearly there's something that snapped in him. Like
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: he left the note I hate you all, leaving a note.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: He knows he's gonna get caught. He knows he's gonna
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: get fast. Yeah, so maybe he's just like, fuck it,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do what I want. I want this knife,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take this cart, go
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: get Wendy's and movies. I'm gonna get caught. I'm just
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: gonna live my fucking best life until it happens.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Until Yeah, he was eventually found by some police officers
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: around midnight. He was walking along a tree line in
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: a very narrow area of Route one, which I'm assuming
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: is like a highway and it's generally an unsafe spot
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: for pedestrians to be walking. So the police officers stopped,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: but didn't realize who they were stopping to chat with.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: They were just like thinking, oh my god, like, this
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: person needs to get the fuck up here, it's not safe.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Philip wouldn't make eye contact with the officers. They asked
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: him where are we going to, which he responded nowhere,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: and where he was coming from, which he replied Tennessee,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting. He did not have any
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: identification on him and wouldn't give them his home address.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: They then patted him down, which revealed a rock in
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: one of his pockets, and then the other cards belonged
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: to Colleen, like her driver's license and credit card, but
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: the name unfortunately didn't mean anything. These were top tops
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Field officers, which is like a neighboring town, so I
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: don't know if they were just like out of their
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: jurisdiction or if if Philip had like wandered quite far
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: or what right.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Well, either way, it may not have been communicated to
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the neighboring exactly. Yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: So they asked him how he obtained the cards, and
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: he said he got them at the stop and shop,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: which I'm assuming is a convenience store, which makes like
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: so much sense that you could get that there. Since
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: that made okay, my next line, since that made no sense,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: they asked him again and he said from his car
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: or from her car, just from her car. So he's
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: really like not being freaking healthful at all to these people, which.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: I mean is kind of playing in his own favor.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: The less you talk, the better.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, And it's interesting because he kind of
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: seemed like he acted that way in Colleen's class, lightly
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: too right when she was asking him questions, he kind
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: of mumbles, So it almost makes you think he has
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: issues with authority, is my personal That's very possible. That's
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: kind of like when I was reading, hmm, this guy
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: has issues with authority. They also asked what was in
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: his back pop in his back his backpack, and he
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: said survival gear. Philip did eventually give the officers his name,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and this is when they realized they were dealing with
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the missile boy and they had recovered the missing teenager.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: They're like, whoo wait, So they put him in like
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: unrestrained in their cruiser and to keep them warm. Confirmed
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: with dispatch that they had the missing teen and transported
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: him to the Topsfield police station. Once at the police station,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: they asked Philip if there was anything dangerous inside his
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: backpack and he answered yes. So they opened the bag
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: to discover receipts from Wendy's and the movie theater. There
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: was also a shirt, two rolls of tape, water bottles,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: a white towel, a flashlight, kind of foot powder spray,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: and the hunting knife he had stole earlier in the night.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Also in the bag were some of Colleen's belongings, keys,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: a wallet, her like makeup bag thing and her underwear
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and the box cutter. Oh go ahead, sorry, putting my
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: hand up.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: This kid's running away, is what he's doing. He's walking
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: along a highway. Was survival gear. That's why he stole
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: the knife, because he's running away. He's just going to
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: go sleep in the bush and just run away.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: And oh you think.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: He has survival gear. He's not going home. He's running away.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: He went and killed something.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: That actually makes sense. Nowhere ever, did anyone come up
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: with anything like that. But that makes so much sense.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what he Why is he walking along the
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: highway and shit.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had no intention of going home. He's just
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: booking her wo and the police caught him on the way.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Shit, that makes sense.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: I'm smart detectives.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: So the blade of the box cutter was still protruding
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: and it was covered in blood. They of course asked
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: who the fuck is this like blood on there? Right,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: maybe not that exact wording, and he said it's the girls.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: He was then read his rights as they were starting
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: to get the full picture of what happened here. The
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: officer then asked whether he knew where the girl was,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: and he said she was buried in the woods, to
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: which they're like, holy shit, and asked if they could
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: potentially help her if they got to her, and he
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: said no.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: His sweatshirt and sneakers, which had bought on them were
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: taken from him and he was transported to the Danvers
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: police station and ultimately arrested for Colleens murder. Meanwhile, there
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: was a search happening for Colleen. Many of Colleen's colleagues
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: and friends were part of the search and the canine
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: unit was also called in. So at about three am,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Colleen's body was found in the woods. When ache with
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: pink nail polish was spotted out from the leaves, a
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: paramedic was called into the woods. He uncovered Colleen's head
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and torso she had dartened debris in her eyes and airway.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: He checked her heartbeat, but of course it was not
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: beating and she was pronounced dead. So Philip was put
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: on trial. There were many evaluations to see if Philip
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: was of sound mind basically when committing this like gruesome
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: act okay, and so his lawyers definitely argued that he
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: was mentally ill at the time, but the jury ultimately
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: rejected this and Philip was sentenced good. So he was
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: sentenced to life in prison with parole eligibility after twenty
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: five years for the murder of Colleen. But then he
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: was also sentenced to life in prison with parole eligibility
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: after twenty years for raping Colleen, and this was to
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: be served after the sentence for her murder.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: So he's was he tried as an adult.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Then, See, that was one thing that was confusing to
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: me and I couldn't get the exact answer, because I
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: think what happened is some he was tried, some he wasn't,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: and then like he was in state, he did go
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: into juvenile jail ye until a certain age or something,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: and then I think he was transferred to like adult jail.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, adult jail and not what we're in now just
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: regular life is adult jails like that.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: He was also sentenced for the armed robbery of like
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Colleen's belongings, I guess, okay, but that was to be
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: served at the same time as the above, So his
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: original sentenced to a minimum fifty years. See, a lot
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: of it was fuzzy, but every report that I found
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: after that was saying that he was eligible for parole
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: forty years. But I was like, ah, it's fifty, but
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I think the defense attorney asked for it to be forty,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: citing scientific studies that said a juvenile brain is not
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: fully developed blah blah blah. So I think that he
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: got it like she got it down to forty years.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: So he'll basically be out eligible for parole in his fifties.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: So one more thing to mention, because I'm like, Okay,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: this is like his first defense, you.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Know, well, there's there's clearly something in his head that
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: that went, which is not cool. It's not cool for
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: the result of I mean, colleagees.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: And I think he had a lot of rage too,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: potentially his parents like divorce maybe and like having to
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: make all these new friends and stuff.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Definitely, so there's something snapped. Yeah, whether it's something snapped
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: that I don't know is controllable or not, that's who
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: knows if it is. I mean, I hope he gets
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: the help that he needs, clearly, because.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: There was also like reports and stuff saying that like
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: he had heard voices, but I didn't know if I
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: really like believed that. Like I think they're just literally
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: evaluating him for everything, and which probably a good thing
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: that his maybe the defense his lawyers were doing that
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: because probably better to maybe go to like the mental
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: facility hospital or whatever than jail.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: The thing though, like if you hear voices or if
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: there's any mental issues, generally there's some odd behavior that happens.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: And remorse too afterwards.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like because you're disconnected, Like I didn't do that,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Like what I don't remember that.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, He's just it seemed like he was ever.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like I hate you all. I'm living my
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: best life and now running away.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is this is something else that I
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: wanted to bring up too, so to like really solidify
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: how bad news this Philip dude is. So while he
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: was awaiting trial, so like the next year, like he
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: did all the shit to Colleen in twenty thirteen, this
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: is twenty fourteen, he committed a very similar act attack
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: to a twenty nine year old female staff member in
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: the youth facility he was staying in. Really, he apparently
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: made sure he wasn't being watched by anyone, as he
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: kind of did with Colleen. He removed his shoes so
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: that his steps wouldn't make noise, and as this female
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: walked into a locker room, Philip grabbed her and slammed
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: her against the wall. He was choking her, punching her,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: stabbing her numerous times with a pencil until thankfully, like
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: all the commotion was heard by another staff member who
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: rushed in and saved the woman.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Holy fuck.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So like the next year he basically like did
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: like the same fucking thing. Yeah, so he did get
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: tried for this. I couldn't find how much longer whatever
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: was added to his sentence, but so like right there,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, like he did it again,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Like you did it again? Yeah, like what the fuck?
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: So wow. See, when it comes to stuff like this,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: like I've gotten flack in comments before from people being like, oh,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: like you shouldn't like wish ill on the victims and stuff,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: and I totally get that. You're right. I don't wish
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: ill on anybody. But what I do wish is that
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: karma is a real thing, and that I do wish
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: that these people who have done bad things intentionally understand
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: the things they've done.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I was actually just thinking about this, and
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it's like us wishing ill upon people.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: It's literally us like wishing that what they did to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: people gets done to them. Like and I don't know
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: if that's necessarily a wrong thing.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like I don't wish like something Philip murdered someone.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I don't want Philip to get murdered. I don't want
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: someone to feel pain or lose their life. That's just
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: not cool. Even if a murderer gets murdered, it's still murder, right.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: But I do want the family to have closure, and
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I do want there to be justice, and I hope
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: within that justice that the person who's serving the sentence
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: learns what it's like what they did.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully they end up somehow learning and one way,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: not necessarily and even just like a negative way. I
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: guess like there could be. It could be really they
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: change as a person or develop as a person. He
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: has time to develop he is young, or rehabilitation when
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: he's in his thirties. He realized what the fuck he
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: did and there is more, yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Or maybe if they're not remorseful, then maybe karma.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Turns around on well, or they don't get out of
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: jail when they're in their fifties.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, karma has a way of serving itself.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: So I just people are fucking trash at this point
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: when they do this sort of stuff.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Like like Colleen was a freaking angel for God's sakes.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Philip deserves a fucking rot as far as I'm concerned. Yeah,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: but I hope he understands what the fuck.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: He did exactly, Like he took a life of a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: beautiful person that literally spent her day trying to like
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: really make the world a better place by like changing
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: these young students' lives.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: And specifically his life better because he stayed after class
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: in this little bubble anything.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: She made it that place safe for him to be there.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: So she literally spent her time to make his life
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: better and he turned around and took her life.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the most gruesome of ways.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: So I think Philip deserves rot and I really hope
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: that there's there's some justice and karma behind that.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it'd be interesting. I mean, we'll be so well,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know, will we be so old. Maybe we'll
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: still be around when he gets out of jail, but.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I would like to think so.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: So, Yeah, thanks for listening. I will There's always posts
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: about all of our cases on Instagram, and lots same
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: super are commenting and there's a little discussion. So if
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: you want to be part of that, just follow over us,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: head over on to our instagram.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: A Wicked and Grim. It's just like that, just that easy. Yeah,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: and we will message you back.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: It is us, Yes, I know. Lots of times people
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I think they're surprised if it's us, Yeah, and then
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's me.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Although sometimes we're going to tell you now. Sometimes it's
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: me talking to you, sometimes Nicole talking to you. Sometimes
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: it's both.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Of us, maybe it's even Mika. Sometimes you never fucking know.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Kiwi, he's he's sketched that way. I'm pretty sure he's
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: the puppet master of this house. He runs stuff totally.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, sweet, thank you until then.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Makes you guys stay wicked.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Bo oh oh b mm hm