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Are Past Lives Real with Jim Kepner · Energy Medicine with Diane Goldner

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Energy Medicine with Diane Goldner. Everything is made
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of scintillating energy, even you. I'm Diane Goldner, an internationally
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known healer, intuitive, and author. Join me as we explore
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the energy and consciousness that creates your reality. I'm here
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to help you heal and awaken with Energy Medicine. Welcome
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to Energy Medicine. I'm your host, Diane Goldner, and today
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we have Jim Kempner back with us again. Jim Kempner
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is a psychologist, an author, and a healer. He's a
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Gestalt therapist with an expertise in trauma recovery, and he's
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also been an energy healer for more than four decades.
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He's the author of Body Process and Healing Tasks, and
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also a the founder of Pathways for Healing and Nervous
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System Energy Work. And there's one more thing I want
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to mention because we're going to be talking about that today,
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and that is he's the author of some amazing memoirs
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about upon a time in France, including About Time. And so, Jim,
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let's just dive right back in. I think it's really
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wonderful that you're open about all these esoteric things.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm out of the closet and all this stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Did that take a while? That's an interesting term,
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out of the closet, because I had literally that experience
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where I finished my book, and I was like, okay,
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I'm going to go back and get a job as
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a magazine person. But I was promoting my book, and
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I was on the radio, and I'd been on one
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show a few times before. And the host knew that
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I was able to do healings. And he was like, Diane,
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when are you going to say, when are you going
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to admit that? And he was a wonderful guy. And
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he was gay. And he outed me.
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Speaker 2: He outed you. That's great. Literally outed you.
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Speaker 1: He literally outed me as a healer on the radio show.
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Speaker 2: Well, I have to say that in terms of energy
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work in general, I had been out. I had been
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using energy work in teaching in the gestalt realm, you know, working.
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That was just part of how I worked. And Carol
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and I have been teaching workshops and trainings and energy
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work for years. So I was certainly out in that way.
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People could go to that website, which was a little
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different than my gestalt website. And I was kind of,
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you know, I had a foot in both worlds. I
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think what I had to really come out with, or
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my wife said, yeah, finally you've come out, was when
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I published About Time and this whole thing about remembering
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this past life. That was like, okay, this may totally
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blow a lot of people's image of me as, okay,
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he's really respectable person. Gestalt therapist, and he's written two
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kind of classic books in the field. He's okay, even
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though he does energy work, kind of. And now it's like, whoa,
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what happened to Jim Kepner?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So how were you able to have the courage?
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It does take courage, right, to come out with your
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truth sometimes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it helps that I'm older. Okay. And
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I've met my kind of mainstream career ambitions and been there,
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done that. So in that sense, I'm not going to
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like ruin my reputation.
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Speaker 1: You don't feel like you have a lot to lose
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on one hand.
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Speaker 2: But I think, but it's, you know, it's certainly there's
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a feeling of vulnerability to kind of go, I'm putting
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out stuff that is very dear to me, important. And also,
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I mean, as a writer... I hadn't written books like
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this before I'd done professional books. It's a very different
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thing than writing a prose narrative memoir.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It reads like a novel.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's very powerful too.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm really glad it impacted you that way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I had to teach myself that. And then,
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you know, it's at some point you just, you have
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to kind of step into that light and say, you know,
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I wasn't given this really detailed set of memories for
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no reason. It's not like some spiritual attainment to have
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past life memories. I don't think. Yeah. I think, you know,
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if I had all this detail and I was compelled
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to write this, it had to be so that it
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could affect others in some way.
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Speaker 1: It was very powerful. Let's talk about it for a
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minute because people don't, you know, unless they've read the book,
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they won't know. So I'm going to give a little description,
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but I'd like you to add to it because, so
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it's about a boy, I forget what period of time,
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what is the year?
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Speaker 2: In the mid-1400s.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so he's been orphaned by the plague. And ends
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up in a chateau with— he was a master, not just
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the master of a chateau, right, but the master of
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the psychic arts.
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Speaker 2: Of the alchemy, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Of the alchemy and the spiritual. And he brings you along, right? Yeah.
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That's the essence of the book. And Rosalind is in
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there because she's the abbess. But there's also an amazing— considering
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your work as a trauma therapist— This is especially, I
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was just like, wow, it was so powerful in the
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book because you describe a very traumatic incident where this
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boy is brutally abused, not for his own sake, but
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to send a message to the master. So the dark
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forces have, you know, descended on this boy and physically
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brutalize him, sexually brutalize him. And because he's in this
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group with really amazingly adept spiritual people, the Abbas, who's
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a healer, and he doesn't really even understand how all
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the shame is lifted from him, but he's restored.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she, in the book, my life as Etienne,
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and this was still probably early on when I was
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adopted by Edouard, Yeah. Maestro, I called him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: We all called him. One of the things that Duarte
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was part of an order, as was the abbess, that
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was kind of combating the dark sorcerers of that time.
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There was a lot of dark magic going on.
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Speaker 1: Just darkness in general, right?
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Speaker 2: Darkness in general. And a lot of darkness in the
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church and so on. So in some of the, one
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of the dark sorcerers that Edward was kind of helping
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to combat through the order, decided to send him a
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message by brutalizing me. Yeah. But one of the things
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that happened was the abbess came to me in dreams.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: So I was attended by her and by two of
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the nuns who were healers that she had done. But
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where the healing came was she would enter into my
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dreams and things would happen in the dreams, which I
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described in one of the scenes in the book, and
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kind of led me out of the trauma in the dreams. Yes.
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And gradually kind of brought me back into reclaiming something
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of my lost life. soul, as it were.
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Speaker 1: So in my experience, those kinds of dreams are really
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not just dreams. They're another dimension of, I'm just going
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to go there for everybody because I've had, I've experienced
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those dreams and occasionally client tells me that I've been
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to see them, but it's another dimension of reality, a
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soul dimension. And it's very real. And what happens in
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that is even more real than what happens in the physical,
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in a sense, right? I imagine in the case with Rosalind,
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she was praying and doing other work, not just when
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she was with you, but at other times. And then
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you would experience it as that dream where she was,
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because you should.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and it's those kind of dreams when someone is
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deliberately entering into your dream for healing. It's like, you know,
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You have your dreaming in what seems like normal dreams,
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and then it's like it shifts. It's like there's a
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segue into something that is very specific and very different
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in nature.
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Speaker 1: And meaningful.
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Speaker 2: And I know Rosalind.
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Speaker 1: You know it's meaningful.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you know there's something else going on. So it's
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interesting that you remembered that whole part of it. Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: It really struck me deeply.
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Speaker 2: And so there was a lot of that kind of...
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I'd say, magical forms of healing in that life, particularly
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from the abbess and then later from two of the
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nuns that there's a big ceremony that they did before I,
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as Etienne, was going off to study elsewhere. So a
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lot of ceremonial kinds of... healing forms. That, you know,
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it was a very different time and the whole kind
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of orientation towards healing was also very different.
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Speaker 1: Do you think?
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Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 1: How do you think that is? I mean, on the
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face of it, I don't know if I agree.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think there was a whole range, certainly. There
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was a whole range, you know, everything from herbalists and
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herbal healing and people who had hands-on work or people
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who scribed, you know, the auric field or that kind
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of thing.
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 2: Some of the experiences that I recalled and wrote about,
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that really were more ceremonial in nature, but much closer
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to what we might know about from contact with, say,
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indigenous healers here. I think of some of the Navajo
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healings I've read about. And that really tapped some very
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big kind of forces, more kind of fundamental forces, deific forces,
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if you will. And I think that's not your day-to-day healing. Certainly,
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I pray. Certainly, I'm opening myself to the divine as
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much as I can.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes.
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Speaker 2: But things that happen in a really whomped-up, big field...
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that reach into big archetypal realms, that's not a common
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kind of form of healing. And those are some of
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the things that kind of, I think that may be
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why those workshops with Rosalind tapped into my memories of
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this in part. I'm just thinking of this now. Because
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in those big group fields, she tapped into some big forces.
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Speaker 1: I understand why you're saying that. I don't know. I
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have a slightly.
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Speaker 2: Say more about what you're thinking about.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I've experienced, not just with Rosen, but
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with other people. And I think, you know, when we
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pray a lot, we are invoking very big forces too,
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even if we don't always see them. Do you know
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what I mean? I think we're opening a... We can
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open a really big field. I'm interested... So was it
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shocking to start remembering your past incarnation?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you the thing that was most shocking
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because as I worked with Rosalyn and I'd always wanted
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past life memories and never, under no circumstances did they
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happen and I kind of gave up. And then as
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I was exposed more to her and energy work in particular,
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Then on the healing table, like with my friend working
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on me, I would occasionally kind of things like, oh,
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I could see myself as this really different person. Yeah.
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And the things, the area she was working on. Oh,
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I could see that I had a withered arm in
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that life and things like that. So I had these
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small experiences and they accumulated. Yeah. But, you know, I'm
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a psychologist and. good rational boy, a Jewish boy, you know, and,
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you know, it could be just my metaphor for the physical. Right.
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Or and at some point I just kind of said, oh,
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you know, I I take dreams seriously. These are no
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different than dreams. They're my experience. I don't have to
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prove them to anyone.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Right. It was a way of kind of holding it
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all a little at bay. Right. A little at bay
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without upsetting my intellect too much. When this incident happened
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where Rosalind did this big piece of work and I
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saw this figure kind of flash across, you know, and
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he had a very particular purple cloak and feather on
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his hat and no idea.
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Speaker 1: That was Eduardo?
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Speaker 2: That was Eduard.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And so... At the end of this big healing ceremony
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that she did for someone, I kind of said, Rosen,
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I don't know who this was, but I'm supposed to
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tell you. That's all I know. She kind of went, oh.
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And she did something, which I'd never seen her do
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spontaneously like this. Usually when she channeled, it was very formal.
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She closed her eyes. She clearly left her body and
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someone came in and started talking. And gave this, what
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people tell me, was a really interesting lecture about things.
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And I was, I heard nothing because I felt like
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I was rung like a bell.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And when she finished, or this person finished, and she,
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you know, and Rosalind came back into her body and said, well,
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that was interesting. And I'm sitting there with tears streaming
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down my face.
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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: And these memories cascading about this time in France with
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the maestro. That's all I knew at the time.
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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: But here's the thing that really got me. All right,
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this is pretty powerful and very emotional, but I'm in
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a room of 60 people, 70 people. And all around
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the room, there's people having their own memories of the
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same time period.
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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: Well, my brain went, when we all collected together and
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talked about this. Oh, my God. Oh, I can't just
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call this my fantasy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So that was.
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Speaker 1: That is mind blowing, right? But it is. I mean,
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we come back. You know, Rose and I had this
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conversation recently that there's no point in remembering a past
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life per se. And you said the same thing. And
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I would agree. It's really because it's information about your
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soul's purpose and your soul's journey, right? So what does
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that tell you about your soul's purpose and journey through time, right?
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It's not just this time, right?
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Speaker 2: Edouard uses the phrase, he actually said to me, you're
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not here to remember past lives. You're here to get
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a glimpse. Of the curious project of your soul.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Getting chills.
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Speaker 2: I have a lot of ideas about what that project is,
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but I really think that phrase operates, for me, as
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a kind of Zen koan. It's like the unanswerable thing. Yeah.
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How can I know what the curious project of my
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soul is? Well, in a way, I can't.
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Speaker 1: But in a way, memory gives you a clue, right?
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There's a flow through in the theme.
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Speaker 2: Right. There's themes. So we get a glimpse. And it's
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not always what we think it is, but we start
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to see outlines and themes. And I think we develop
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a sense of knowing. And that our soul has a
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trail here. And it's hard to say too much more
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about it than that.
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Speaker 1: You know, I had some experiences before. In addition to
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the one where you were talking about it, and I
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realized I had been there too. Even though that wasn't
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the same time everyone else had that. I was like, oh, wow.
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But I have had other spontaneous memories when I've encountered
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certain people, I guess, where there was a particular... And
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I don't think I would be so shocked now, maybe.
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But at the time, it was very... It was kind
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of like, I'm just going to share this with people.
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For me, it was like a movie playing. At the
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same time you're in this space, you're seeing a movie.
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But it was also like the continuity is kind of
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almost the same as remembering when you were in high school.
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It's not like you're so different. You're a little different,
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at least. time has passed, no pun intended. But that
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essence of who you are really is very, in my experience,
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there's some, it's very continuous. I find that very comforting.
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And I'm sharing this because I feel a lot of
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people are so afraid of death. And I'm about that
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in other podcasts. But from my experience, I know the
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soul continues because I remember other times when I was
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in a different time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, I agree. I think the
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soul continues. The personality doesn't. And I think that's... You
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don't think so?
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Speaker 1: I feel like my personality isn't that different.
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Speaker 2: I think there are certainly qualities we carry. I would say,
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for example.
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Speaker 1: You think you're very different than Etienne?
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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of ways in which I'm
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very different than Etienne, yes. I'm very much an introvert.
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I mean, very introverted. Yeah. And Etienne was much more,
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I think, extroverted than... And much more adventurous rather than
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anxious than I am.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't Jewish in that life.
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Speaker 2: He was not Jewish in that life. That's right. But
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I also think, well, I'm here to write. Since I
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was in fifth grade, that was important to me to
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learn to be a writer. And I think these books are...
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than outcome of like, I'm supposed to be writing these,
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you know, not that people should remember their past life,
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but they, something should resonate for them, whether they've remembered
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anything or not. And so you don't become a writer by, uh,
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I mean, it takes a lot of time sitting alone.
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Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I do know.
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Speaker 2: You know, maybe you're more social than I, but boy.
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Speaker 1: What's that?
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Speaker 2: Maybe you're more social than I am, but boy, you know,
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you got to put up with being alone a lot
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and circling a lot of things for a long time.
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And this life, I'm suited for that.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Etienne was different in that way. And then there's other
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things that are very similar. So, you know, there's those.
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Speaker 1: But you're both, you know, adepts, right?
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Speaker 2: I think he was, I was more adept in that
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life than I am now.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know about that.
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Speaker 2: I joke in the book about time that sometimes I
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feel like I'm in the like remedial course for the soul.
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Like I remember lives in which I certainly seem more
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spiritually advanced than I've than I am now and so
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what did I did I fail a course or something.
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Speaker 1: Do you think it's more like you know you think
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back and you when you look back at something like
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even in this life you have everything has a rosy
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glow Do you know what I mean? Like, so you
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have this idea that Etienne is more advanced than you
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because it's sort of.
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Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
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Speaker 1: You know, you're not looking at all the little weeds
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anymore or the challenges.
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Speaker 2: That's true. For the distance. I mean, I certainly see
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a lot of the flaws that I had then as Etienne.
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I think really... It's the wrong way to look at it,
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like as if there's some linear kind of progress. That's
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a very modern notion. And I think we project that
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into our notion of things like karma and soul evolution.
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Speaker 1: I think it's more like a vine.
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Speaker 2: The soul's not concerned about progress.
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Speaker 1: It's more like a vine, isn't it? Where it's not
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as straight up or straight this way.
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Speaker 2: It's... Yeah, that's a vine or that the soul is
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working on its own things. And sometimes it looks from
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our personality like we went sideways or we went back.
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But the soul's path, there's the thread in it. It's
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working on something that maybe doesn't meet how I look
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at progress or something from this personality. you know, with
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all these modern notions of it. But it's there, and
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it pushes me to look deeper into what is this
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project of my soul. It's not like my modern notions
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of achievement. You know, I've got advanced degrees. That seemed
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like progress to me, but that's not what my soul's about.
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Speaker 1: What is your soul about?
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Speaker 2: Oh, boy. The bigger project of healing. And I think,
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which kind of moves me to think of it that way,
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you know, I'm very, I have a small project of
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healing in this life, doing hands-on work, and I love
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energy work, and I love all of that. But if
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I look at my time with Etienne and what I
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know about other times, there was a bigger project of
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healing societies in some of that. There was the project
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of healing on magical dimensions or other dimensions of energy
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that were very, very important in some of those other
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lives that are not as much of where I'm focused now.
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But it's like....
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Speaker 1: But each soul that you heal, each soul that you
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help is moving the collective forward.
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Speaker 2: I certainly... Have faith that that's true. And so I
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think I could say my soul seems to have participated
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in a bunch of different levels and dimensions of healing
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in all sorts of different forms. So that seems to
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be a big theme.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I think so. That's the flow through I see
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for you. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad to have it seen. I mean, because... We're
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always reaching for it, right?
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that you said, I think there's
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more parallels between that time and this time than I
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think you see. Maybe. Because when you talk about that
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time and the dark forces, honestly, I feel there's still
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a lot of darkness in the world. Oh, yeah. I mean,
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everyone who's had a traumatic experience with some intention behind it,
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has experienced some kind of darkness, right? Just on that
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personal level. And then we see the brutality of some
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of the regimes out there.
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Speaker 2: Including, don't mean to be, you know, political, but including
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the current one, because what's, you know, has promoted a
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lot of brutality.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, you can argue about things like what you know,
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our immigration policies and all that, but the treatment of
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people has been brutal.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I would agree with that. It's brutal. I would agree.
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Speaker 2: So that's, you know, as you say, it's still there.
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Speaker 1: And brutality isn't required for enforcement.
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Speaker 2: Right, but there it is.
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Speaker 1: I agree.
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Speaker 2: Right, so we're still, you know, we're still struggling as
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a species to kind of deal with ourselves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like that's a never-ending story. Maybe that's
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your third book. Maybe you're still going to go back
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to working on the societal level. You never know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know, the other thing that I did want to
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bring up is you had mentioned that you've struggled with
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chronic fatigue. And I don't know if you'd like to share...
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I have my own ideas about it, but I'm not
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living that. I've done healing.
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Speaker 2: I don't have any great solutions. I think it's a
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problem that I call it, by the way, now, it's
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long something. We have long COVID.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Well, chronic fatigue is long something, meaning some unidentified virus.
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We know that because... the symptoms are almost identical with
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some variations. So, you know, that's the only reason there's
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now any research in chronic fatigue is because of long
28:57
COVID money. For years, it's been neglected. So I have
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to say, I don't have any great energy, you know,
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cures for it. One of the reasons that the work
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with Rosalind was so important to me was it was
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crucial in giving me something that pulled me out of
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some of the worst of the chronic fatigue and gave
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me a platform to work from. It didn't cure it, though. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know, the limited experience I've had working with people
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with chronic fatigue, two things. One is it's exhausting. You know,
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you put your hands on somebody who's really in the
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throes of chronic fatigue and you just want to take
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a nap while you're doing the healing. Because I'm feeling,
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I'm very, you know, clairsentient.
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Speaker 2: Especially if you're an empath. Yeah. It can be hard.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But the other thing that I've noticed, and again,
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this is a very limited experience, experience, but underneath the exhaustion,
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the system is working too hard. It's in a very,
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do you know what I'm talking about?
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Speaker 2: I absolutely know what you're talking about. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And that's where I think the fatigue comes from.
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Speaker 2: Well, we know this more. We have enough accumulated research
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that on a whole bunch of levels, including the immune system,
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on the cellular level, I mean, there's scientific data now
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that We know this about the dilemmas of poor exercise recovery,
30:29
that the system is really working hard in a whole
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bunch of dimensions that aren't working well, but the system
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like redoubles its efforts.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's working so, so hard. It's like exhausted from it.
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I mean, there's no rest for the weary.
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Speaker 2: So that's true on a whole bunch of dimensions. And
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I think Yeah. While I haven't seen energy work be
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really curative, I think it is of an enormous value
31:00
for people. Yeah. Because the energy work can help directly
31:06
calm some of those overworking systems.
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Speaker 1: Yes, of course, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Having a supply from outside of clean, beautiful energy can
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really fill out some of the deep depletion that takes place.
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I think it really can make a difference in people
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being able to function better and suffer less. I'm sure it.
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Speaker 1: Has for you. I'm sure it has for you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I'm so grateful. That was one of the things,
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the first time Rosalind worked on me in a workshop,
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and she shifted something physical, and I realized, wow, I
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haven't had open channels to energy. I mean... It didn't
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matter how much Qigong I did. The channels were so
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jammed up.
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Speaker 1: She opened all the channels.
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Speaker 2: It was pretty big, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, until you have a healing,
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it's really unfathomable how it feels. I mean, you know,
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I've been doing it for, I don't even want to
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count how many years, more than 25. Yeah, it's been
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about 30. You know, so I forget that, you know.
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It's just a different dimension.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. So I want to thank you. This
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has been so amazing. And I want to encourage everyone
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to read your wonderful books. So name them all for us, please.
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Speaker 2: Well, going back to my first question. Yeah, every one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay. So my first kind of well-known book in Gestalt
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therapy is called Body Process, Working with the Body in Psychotherapy.
32:49
which was followed by a book called Healing Tasks, which
32:54
is working with childhood trauma in adults. Then my big segue,
33:01
kind of very different books. Thank you for the compliment
33:04
that they read like a novel because that was my
33:08
best wish.
33:09
Speaker 1: I thought they were published as novels. No? No. They're
33:11
published as memoirs? Okay.
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Speaker 2: You know, as far as I'm concerned, they are verbatim memoirs.
33:18
Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, but, you know, they're written with some drama, I
33:22
have to say, because, you know, they're interpreted through a writer.
33:27
And the first one was called About Time. That's the
33:31
one we talked about, yeah. And the second one is
33:34
called Past the Past.
33:36
Speaker 1: Past the Past?
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Speaker 2: Past the Past, which is a phrase from Eduard, actually.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: And they're from a series of, This memoir, which is
33:47
called Upon a Time in France.
33:49
Speaker 1: And then there's a third one coming then.
33:52
Speaker 2: Oh, we'll see. Yeah.
33:53
Speaker 1: We'll see.
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Speaker 2: I hate to promise because you know how difficult that is.
33:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I thought I was writing a trilogy.
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I've only written one.
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Speaker 2: And if I could just say one thing about, you know,
34:08
different than writing, say, a professional book or even a
34:11
novel where you can plot it out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I have to remember.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I have some of the outlines of the rest
34:19
of that life. But one of the things that Spirit
34:23
made clear to me is the things I'm remembering, which
34:27
I remember some of the tragedies that happened next. I said,
34:32
you can't write it from that energy. You have to
34:36
get yourself.
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Speaker 1: Write it from the place of healing. Right.
34:39
Speaker 2: You have to get yourself to a bigger sense.
34:42
Speaker 1: So....
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Speaker 2: I can't just go kind of outline the book. I've
34:47
got to get myself to a different state. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Okay. That's amazing. I understand. I really do.
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Speaker 2: I thought you would.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, this has been really wonderful. I hope
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everyone will read your books and, you know, maybe see
35:08
you for help with trauma, right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's been great to talk to you, and I
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just love hearing the things that you're working with and understanding,
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and it's a pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, same here. So where can people reach you, Jim?
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Speaker 2: They can reach me through my website, which is jimkeppner.com,
35:30
and there's a contact form and all that stuff.
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Speaker 1: Fantastic. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Great.
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Speaker 1: All right. Thanks again, and we'll be in touch, and
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it's really great to have you here today.
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Speaker 2: Super. Thanks.
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