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Willson Contreras v. Brewers BEEF, Dodgers haunt Toronto, Woah quotes from Craig Breslow & Tony Vitello · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hey, look who's here. Trepor May with us. Good to
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  Speaker 1: see it, Trepper may Day, may Day, bron Kratz and
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  Speaker 1: May with you. Okay, before we dive into the nitty gritty, Kratz,
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  Speaker 1: I just mentioned this to you before the show and
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to get your quick thoughts. And then Trevor
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  Speaker 1: can follow since he's pitched in Philly. Mike Bassett has
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  Speaker 1: been on the show before. A former big leaguer. It
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  Speaker 1: does a really nice job Rangers, broadcast radio, the whole deal.
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  Speaker 1: He just randomly throw darts at Philly fans for leaving
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  Speaker 1: games early.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't quite understand that. It was kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the hoop Lob opening day, we got all
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  Speaker 2: these people, wasn't quite sold out like it was in Philly.
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  Speaker 2: But they said he said something about they leave early.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest. They blue collar Philly fans. They leave
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  Speaker 2: it early. They rarely even show up late either like
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  Speaker 2: they're there for all nine innings because they want a
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  Speaker 2: reason to get on their team, good or bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not been my experience having been I was
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  Speaker 3: drafted by him. That was not what I was told
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  Speaker 3: to expect. You know, they love tailgating. There too. You're right,
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  Speaker 3: they're there way early before the game. Man, they're there
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  Speaker 3: early for day games. They're beating the team, like the
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  Speaker 3: way team to the park. I don't know where they
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  Speaker 3: came from. Hey, but I will say one thing. If
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  Speaker 3: you want to light a fire on her fan base,
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  Speaker 3: all you gotta do is, especially the Phillies fan base,
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  Speaker 3: you just say you guys leave early.
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  Speaker 4: And they heard him.
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  Speaker 3: Ears pair carup all across the city, So maybe there
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  Speaker 3: was maybe he's just playing five D chests and we're
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  Speaker 3: just we're I are playing checkers.
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  Speaker 1: We're all talking about him. That is true. You just
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  Speaker 1: took a shot through a dart and it was from
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  Speaker 1: the weekend, and I've still seen it carrying, so I
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  Speaker 1: figured we'd bring it up for a moment. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: give it much thought over the weekend because I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't even make sense. It's just not a fan
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  Speaker 1: base that you would ever put that towards. And same here.
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  Speaker 1: I've covered the many Phillies games, been there a ton.
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  Speaker 1: I never got the vibe that the place was the
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  Speaker 1: classic La crowd where you'd be like, hey, they're late
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  Speaker 1: from the traffic, they're leaving early from the traffic, right,
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  Speaker 1: you want to make that case cool. Philly doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: the traffic level either of some of the cities that
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about. There's traffic, but it's not crazy. It's
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  Speaker 1: relative here, I mean, Kratz, you would probably agree.
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  Speaker 2: Marlins fans they leave her well, I guess they just
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  Speaker 2: don't show up. So I guess they're like they leave
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  Speaker 2: early for warm ups. How about that?
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  Speaker 1: Not your words, Sandy ol Countra's words, but now your
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  Speaker 1: words too.
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  Speaker 2: Sandy's thrown today, so I forgot how to bring it up.
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  Speaker 1: That is a good call, all right. Now, let's get
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  Speaker 1: to the big series of the week's charge that well,
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Miguel Rojas can do it all, as he pitched
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  Speaker 1: in a fourteen to two beat down for the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: over the Toronto Blue Jays, a rematch of last year's
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  Speaker 1: World Series, doing it regular season style, and the Blue
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  Speaker 1: Jays have now lost five games in a row. But
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  Speaker 1: it has to bite and hurt even more when you've
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  Speaker 1: got Biggy Rowe pitching at the end of the game.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, he was the one who saved the season
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  Speaker 1: there for the Dodgers in Game seven in the ninth inning,
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  Speaker 1: and as far as offense. I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 1: historic run right now for the Dodgers on this road
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  Speaker 1: trip too. You had two homers and four hits for
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  Speaker 1: Dalton rushing, Kim contributed a couple knocks. You had Otani
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  Speaker 1: going along in a very Otani way to center field.
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  Speaker 1: What else? We had Tasker Hernandez against his old team,
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  Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman with a long bomb. This was essentially a nightmare,
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  Speaker 1: right If I said to you, Trevor as a Blue
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  Speaker 1: Jays you know, if I said to a Blue Jays Van, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what would be your worst case scenario for the first
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers Blue Jays matchup after the World Series, They'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: we get clobbered. Our pitching staff is in shambles. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: homers that we don't want a homer, and Miguel Rojas
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  Speaker 1: pitched in the game too.
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  Speaker 4: You're forgetting one big element too.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, if we could really quickly just get swept
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  Speaker 3: by the White Sox the series before that, would that
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  Speaker 3: would really put the salt on top.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's slow going for the team.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit of a World Series hangover, a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of concern around what I considered ten days ago
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  Speaker 3: one of the deeper pitching staffs going into the season.
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  Speaker 3: They've had a couple Cody Ponstin was just kind of
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  Speaker 3: a freak injury. And then we had the comments from
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  Speaker 3: Scherzer after the Ponds injuries like, hey, let's not do
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  Speaker 3: anything crazy. Let's all be smart here. No one, no
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  Speaker 3: one go out on the boat anywhere or do anything weird.
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  Speaker 3: We gotta try to stay healthy here. And then you know,
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  Speaker 3: he comes up with a Barkin for arm yesterday. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: not a great start. Everything that can go wrong has
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  Speaker 3: gone wrong for the Blue Jays. But it's funny, even
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  Speaker 3: after all of this, there's still a pretty complete team,
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  Speaker 3: even with the losing Alejandra Kirk to thumb surgery, Like
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  Speaker 3: it's it's not how you want to start. Long, long
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  Speaker 3: way to go though, and still a very talented team
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  Speaker 3: with a lot of really good players that haven't gotten going.
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  Speaker 4: Yet at all.
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  Speaker 3: So if you can just tread water, I mean, I've
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  Speaker 3: been on a team that started oh to nine.
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  Speaker 4: It can be.
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  Speaker 3: It can be a mindset that sticks with you if
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  Speaker 3: you don't if you don't change it and change it
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  Speaker 3: quickly somehow. So I know later on the show we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna talk about another team trying to get themselves going
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  Speaker 3: and trying some new stuff. So they're they're due, They're
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  Speaker 3: due for some good luck. Uh, and I'm paying attention
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  Speaker 3: to it. But lat having the Dodgers come in on
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  Speaker 3: a historic heater, at least in the box after a tough,
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  Speaker 3: tough road series against the team you're supposed to beat
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  Speaker 3: every day, it's.
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  Speaker 4: Tough to swallow.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 3: There's it's an inflection point. They gotta they gotta figure
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  Speaker 3: something out. They got to get get the fires lit
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  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is how we're supposed to speak
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  Speaker 2: in the Blue Jays locker room as fans. You watch
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  Speaker 2: it and you go, well, maybe the Blue Jays are
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four Blue Jays and the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: five blue Jays are just a just a figment of
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  Speaker 2: our imagination now, like, oh, they just had a great
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  Speaker 2: year and now the you know, the real Blue Jays,
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four Blue Jays are the team that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna show up this year.
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  Speaker 4: No, that's not what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: Look, this team has doubled down on the fact that
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  Speaker 2: it puts together really good at bats by continuing to
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  Speaker 2: keep this lineup together, continuing to make sure they're in
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  Speaker 2: a good spot that say, you know what, when we're
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  Speaker 2: putting good at bats together, when we're scoring runs as
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  Speaker 2: a team, we're gonna have a pitching staff that was
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  Speaker 2: looking like it was going to start like going out
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  Speaker 2: the door, Bassett soon, Gosman, Barrios. We didn't know what
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  Speaker 2: was going to happen. Bieber at the end of the season,
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  Speaker 2: didn't know he was going to accept his player option.
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  Speaker 2: Now you look at it and you go, it's good
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  Speaker 2: they have this depth because this team has been made
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  Speaker 2: on pitching in defense, and the lineup just showed up
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  Speaker 2: last year. They showed up in ways that it was
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  Speaker 2: a really team lineup. So they have to get back
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  Speaker 2: to that. They have to get back to team at
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  Speaker 2: bats and clean defense because right now they're starting pitching
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  Speaker 2: is going to need to be picked up by their bullpen,
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  Speaker 2: which had a pretty big road to hoe when they
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  Speaker 2: When you lose Sureser that early in a game, you
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  Speaker 2: expect him, you know, expect him to go nine, but
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  Speaker 2: you expect him to at least give you five. It's
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  Speaker 2: a tough way to start a series against a team
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  Speaker 2: that was swinging really well, but The biggest issue is
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  Speaker 2: now they're into that bullpen. Anytime you get into the
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  Speaker 2: bullpen for six plus innings in a three game series,
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  Speaker 2: advantage Dodgers in this case, and they were already hot.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's another big advantage to them. So they're going
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  Speaker 1: for Cody Ponce chersiers back. You had to leave the
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  Speaker 1: game early, but it sounds like he'll be okay and
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  Speaker 1: not miss his next start. Trey Savage, good example of
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  Speaker 1: someone who was super super extended. It was worth it.
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  Speaker 1: You almost won the World Series, but it's not surprising
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  Speaker 1: that he gets hurt. So where are you at with
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  Speaker 1: how teams deal with that? And do you agree with
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  Speaker 1: me that part of the reason why the Dodgers didn't
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  Speaker 1: suffer from the World Series hangover like other teams is
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  Speaker 1: that they essentially shuffled out their rotation from twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: four to twenty twenty five. A lot of the guys
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  Speaker 1: that were the big names pitching for them in twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: aside from maybe Yamamoto and the rotation, were not the
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  Speaker 1: guys that were contributing in twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: I mean they do that every year in some way,
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  Speaker 3: shape or form. A lot of times it's like they
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  Speaker 3: shuffle out the rotation from the regular season to the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: like they're hurt all the time. That's like their mo
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  Speaker 3: They always have so much depth, but guys don't throw
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  Speaker 3: full seasons and then suddenly they're ready for the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Same thing with the bullpen, where they're covering these diamonds
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  Speaker 3: of the rough too, to kind of take leverage innings
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the end of games as well
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  Speaker 3: towards the end of the year, and like leaning on
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  Speaker 3: somebody really hard, and it's it's a it's like an expectation,
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  Speaker 3: and it's what it does is that I think what
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  Speaker 3: they do better than anything is like this is built
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  Speaker 3: in and so they don't panic when guys get hurt
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  Speaker 3: because they know, like what how this thing works for
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  Speaker 3: them generally, and they have lots of depth and guys
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  Speaker 3: to step.
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  Speaker 4: In and to fill the role. They're just really smart.
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  Speaker 4: They know how to do that.
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  Speaker 3: So the reason I think, I don't want to say
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  Speaker 3: they've they've been resistant, not immune, but but resistant to
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  Speaker 3: it is they can handle these blows when they lose
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  Speaker 3: guys early in the season and then they just they're
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  Speaker 3: good enough to hang around and stay in first place
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  Speaker 3: in the division and then at a little space at
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  Speaker 3: the end and then get going for the playoffs. I
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  Speaker 3: believe Joe Kelly has said this very publicly. A lot
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  Speaker 3: is just about it's it's it's not even an unspoken secret,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's an open secret, and we're just talking about
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  Speaker 3: openly that you'll be back for October. Like, So, they
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  Speaker 3: operate that way. It's a luxury to be able to
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  Speaker 3: operate that way. But it seems like they've built their
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  Speaker 3: team that way for the last half decade or so.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not like you just decide to do that
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  Speaker 3: one day and then it works. You have to have
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  Speaker 3: it built in, and they've they've invested in their team
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  Speaker 3: in a way that is going to allow them to
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  Speaker 3: do it. So, but but swapping guys out like that
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  Speaker 3: weren't didn't go all the way in. It's just a
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  Speaker 3: unique thing that that's why it's so hard to win
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  Speaker 3: back to back. It's like when you get it's already
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  Speaker 3: the shortest offseason in professional sports. If you reduce it
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  Speaker 3: by a month, you get three months off and then
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  Speaker 3: you're playing for nine months. And that's not including you know,
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  Speaker 3: guys who play winter ball and stuff, which there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of them. So it's just an all year round
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  Speaker 3: sport and you got to manage it. That's why we
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  Speaker 3: don't see any Dodgers playing their full team until like
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  Speaker 3: March twentieth every year because they know that in order
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  Speaker 3: to go back, they're going to have to give their
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  Speaker 3: guys as much rest that they can give them.
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  Speaker 2: It takes a lot of trust in the player. It
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  Speaker 2: takes a lot of trust from the player from the
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  Speaker 2: team like so it's a two way street year for
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers' rotation, there was nine guys that started seven
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  Speaker 2: or more games. So an easy way to say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we don't have a World Series hangover is all these
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  Speaker 2: guys were spread out. It went Yamamoto and then very
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  Speaker 2: few people can guess, including me, who had the second
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  Speaker 2: most starts on the team. People would say, oh, Blake
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  Speaker 2: snow Tyler Glass. Now, no, it's it was Clayton Kershaw.
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  Speaker 2: So they are going to need guys in the rotation
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  Speaker 2: to step up to be able to keep the bullpen healthy.
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  Speaker 2: But oh yeah, that bullpen added Edwin Diaz at the back.
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  Speaker 2: They added more to that bullpen to say, Okay, we
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  Speaker 2: may not be able to get a ton of stretch
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  Speaker 2: out of our rotation because they had, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: nine guys all the way down to land in nac
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  Speaker 2: who made seven starts. You just need guys to come
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  Speaker 2: in and do this. And it shows the depth of
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  Speaker 2: the organization in the sense of that it's not just
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  Speaker 2: free agents that they brought in to it's well, it's
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  Speaker 2: guys from the guys from the minor leagues, guys from trades,
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  Speaker 2: guys from whatever it is. They're building a team that
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're averse, like they're definitely immune to
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  Speaker 2: World Series hangovers. It's just they understand the length of
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  Speaker 2: the season is not six months. Their season is seven
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  Speaker 2: months long, and everybody trusts and they're just they're a
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  Speaker 2: locomotive going downhill right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of them are living their best life
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  Speaker 1: with their best friends. Trevor did you see Otani and
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  Speaker 1: Yamamoto before the game hopping on the mound.
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  Speaker 4: I did not see that.
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  Speaker 1: But let's get a live reaction from Trevor.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's the best. I don't know what they're doing,
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  Speaker 3: maybe just trying to relive it. But that's what little
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  Speaker 3: kids do. You're always I mean dry runs, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Kratzy knows just like dry hacks.
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  Speaker 4: You swing.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's like, yeah, how many times you swing today? One
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  Speaker 3: hundred times with my bad and about five hundred times
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  Speaker 3: with my ghost bat.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we do. We just do.
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  Speaker 3: We just go through our motion constantly because it's the
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  Speaker 3: most natural thing in the world does And that takes
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  Speaker 3: me back to being ten years old in the backyard imagining,
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  Speaker 3: imagining game Game seven, World Series, kind of like last time,
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  Speaker 3: last last year pitching though fortunately you didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: be the picture in that situation last year. But it's
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  Speaker 3: what we do. It's what we do. They having fun
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  Speaker 3: love to see it.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that was like taking some little leaguers on
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  Speaker 1: the fields and you have like the pictures, and the
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  Speaker 1: pictures are like, oh yeah, let's run on the mound
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  Speaker 1: and simulate like we're in the World Series. Dodgers and
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  Speaker 1: Blue Jays, except it's Yamamoto and show Hey o Tani,
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  Speaker 1: very cool video. If you're listening to the podcast, I
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  Speaker 1: would encourage you to go fourteen minutes into the YouTube
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  Speaker 1: version of this show and check it out. Hey, we're back.
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  Speaker 1: What was your take, Trevor from the weekend for Matt Chapman. So,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, he had an uncharacteristic four errors or
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: he has four errors on the season. A couple errors
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: in that one game were charged against his account that
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: he felt were more Casey Schmidt's ball, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: he said he took accountability for. Also the base running mistake,
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: three run deficit ninth inning gets caught at second. Tony
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Bytello's manager said that there's actually been two other incidents
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  Speaker 1: behind closed doors like the one captured on camera between
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Chapman and Casey Schmidt. So if you'd also like to
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: comment on the manager really like living out the entire
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: reality show, Tony Bytello has dominated like these mini segments
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  Speaker 1: that we're doing with his soundbites.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting situation, an interesting situation that, to
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: be honest, I was pretty excited to see how this hall,
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  Speaker 3: this whole dynamic was going to come together because historically
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: to talk about Fotello at the out of the gate.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: He's been pretty candid, and I know that's refreshing in
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of ways for media because you know, you
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: get canned answers quite a bit, and you talk to
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: them constantly.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: I believe.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: AJ was brought up the other day and on the
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: show that you know, you're talking to the manager three
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: times a day, or the media is talking to the
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: managers talking to the media three times a day, so
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: you kind of like sometimes you're lelding some candid answers
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: or you're making stuff up just to be interesting. But
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: he's been pretty open about what's going on behind closed
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: doors already, which is something that is like, is not
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: a Major League Baseball thing. Usually it's like, let's sleep
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: coast to vest. We got to keep this door opaque,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: not a screen door. So it's interesting, but weird out
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: of chatman. It's not stuff we're used to seeing from him.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know what's going on.
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: So that kind of the idea of deploying our players
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: in a way that maximizes positive outcomes by creating the
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: most favorable matchups that we can is a term, you
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: know that that I would call optimization, and I think
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: that's synthesizing analytical information. It's synthesizing the real time feedback
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: that we would be getting from our players and our
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: coaches who are interacting with each other every single day
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: to ensure that we're doing that and making sure that
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: we're not leaving wins on the table.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Craig Breslo, who is running the Red Sox, that's putting
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: everyone to sleep. And this is GMS, this is a
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: former player. Trevor's loving it. Okay, Trevor, so help me
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: bridge the gap here because this quote went viral. The
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Red Sox are up to a poor start. We're about
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: to talk about them and their beef with Contrares, but
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: also we'll expand that into the Red Sox at two
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and eight. When you hear that, do you feel like
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: that's what should be said from front offices or should
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: they be speaking to the fans a little bit more?
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: That is not a very digestible way of saying it. No,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: and that is, you know, it's a skill to be
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: able to communicate. It's not a very complicated thing. It's
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: like we're trying to make put guys some positions to
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: be successful as much as human I possible using numbers.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Everyone's doing it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: He just it's almost like he said it in the
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: in the most technical way possible.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: The only word that was left out of there in
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: terms of corporate speak is synergies. So I'm glad we
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: didn't hear that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I I don't I hear it.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I know what he means, and I that is the
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: That is a good way of approaching. There's a lot
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: of teams doing a lot of good things in that way,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: but the timing and the market and the fan base
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: that you have is not gonna want to hear that.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: And maybe there's other fan bases that would like.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: To hear that.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: That would be more you know, it's more exciting. I
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: found it sounds like something's happening for the teams that
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: really haven't changed a lot or maybe behind everybody else.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Boston Red Sox are not one of them.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Uh, and Bres really really he went for it. I mean,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I got to give credit where credits do. As a
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Nerd myself, I mean, if you going full nerd on TV,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: is even twenty twenty six still pretty at this point.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: It's two fans. That's the thing. The press conference is
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: for journalists to take notes for their story for fans,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and some fans do like to get into some really
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: in depth analytics talk. But for the most part, you
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: can even do that without sounding like you're doing the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: quarterly earnings report for your publicly traded company. That's what
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: it sounds like.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I wear my hat backwards. I don't know what they're
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: all gonna buy.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: All. Yeah, what's the beef is the segment. It is
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the perfect title for what we're about to discuss, and
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: it is Wilson Contreras against the Brewers. It's been going
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: on for a long time. He's been hit twenty four
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: times by pitches. So we're going to get Trevor's perspective
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and Kratz's perspective pitcher and catcher. Right, he will start
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: with Trevor, so Contreras didn't just get hit, and also
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: he gets hit a lot because he kind of crabs
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: a plate. I'll let you comment on that how you want.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: He also had some very pointed words. First of all,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: he said he predicted that this was going to happen
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: before the game, and he said they always say this
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: is the quote I'm not trying to hit you. That
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: gets old. So next time they hit me again, I'm
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: going to take one of them out. That's a message
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that to me sounds like a threat. Trevor, what did
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you take from that? And Brandon Woodriff hitting him to
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: load the bases didn't seem intentional, and then them verbally
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: jabbing at each other until Woodriff was like, wait, I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: recognize that he does this all the time and this
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: was going to fire his team up, so I stopped.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, here's the deal.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: You get hit one hundred and thirty one times in
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: your career, you do something that makes guys throw on
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: the inside.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Of the plate. To you, we have a lot of
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: hard throwers. We had a lot of.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Sinkers in the game now, and he is a I've
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: had this experience. I've only faced some a couple times
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: in my career, and I had the experience with him
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: as well. Like he'll come out, he'll swing real hard
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: the first pitch he sees to try to like maybe
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: basically establish a power dynamic.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: It's like part of what he does.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: This is a normal thing that there are hitters around
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the league that do, like a great example of a
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: pitcher who did this stuff was John Lackey. I went
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: head ahead with him as well. I had to head
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: against him. He did it to me, so I was like,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: this is just something that is part of guy's game.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Wilson Creris is one of those guys. So he gets over,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: he leans over the plate. Krats probably can speak to
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: this as well. You see a guy that leans over
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: the plate, you know the scouting port on him, you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: we got to bust him in, Like it's one of
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: those things like.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: We're gonna work him in. We're gonna workhim in, We're
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: gonna work him in.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: He gets hit a few times, he reacts the way
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: he does. He's a high emotion guy. Those guys hate
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: to be on there or hate to play against him,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: love to be on their team type of guys. This
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: is not new for him. This has been We've heard
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: about this his whole career, no matter what team he
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: was on. And and it's one of those things like
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: we're not trying to hit you, but if we do,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: we don't really feel that bad. And it's like you
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: get that reputation and then then it becomes your reputation
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: for a long time time. Carlos Gomez. We all remember
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: him and his antics and how he excited he was.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: He got a reputation. Some guys they throw him in
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: and if we get you, if you end up getting
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: in way of the ball, then I'm not gonna feel
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: a bad as maybe if we hit somebody else. So
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I think that's what the situation goes. The Brewers will
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: go Rodriffs hit him on his own six times, like
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: they know the situation. He's like, and I'm gonna throw
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: you in next time and hopefully you swing and I'm
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: hitting the edge the whole time and you get yourself out,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Like that's that's what we're working with. But that's how
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: it turns into it. I just think that with the
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: way that the Red Sox are playing right now, contros
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: like if they hit me, I'm gonna get mad, but
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: instead of just trying to calm myself down, I'm just
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: gonna lean into it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: And that's I think that's what we saw.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm pretty sure the video if you watch it,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: he has a handguard, he has a elbow guard, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: if you watch I went back and I watched all
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: six hip by pitches from Big Wu. I mean it
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: dates all the way back to I think twenty nineteen.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't see any from when I was catching Big
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Wu in eighteen, so I think it was nineteen on.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And a lot of those hit by pitches are really
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: just really just like inside pitches that he's not getting
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: out of the way of. Is he sick of getting hit?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: For sure, everybody's sick of it. But when you go
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: into a game, it's my theory of the whole Angel
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Hernandez was Angel Hernandez a bad umpire. Yeah, but when
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: you go into the game, the very first borderline call, oh, Angel,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: You're terrible. So now Wilson Contrerez goes into the game
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and he's like, they're gonna hit me the very first
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: pitch that's way inside with runners on second and third,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Like they want to put him on. If they're gonna
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: put him on, you can just Garrett Cole to Raffie
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Divers four put him on, like get a hit is
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: not new. What's new about this whole situation is the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: fact that he went in and he he went in
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: and did this. He said he went to get one
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: of them. I'm gonna get one of them, And he
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: went in and he put a cleat right in Hamilton's calf.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Now you catch somebody, you know, maybe you're sliding in
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: and as you slide in, your foot comes up. It
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: could look malicious, but it's not necessarily malicious. If you
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: go back and watch his replay, he is under complete control.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: He went in both hands up and his cleat was
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: about knee high. He was trying to do damage. And
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the only reason I can say that for certain is
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: because that was his exact quote. And if Major League
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Baseball does not come back and have some type of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: suspension for this, some type of fine for this, then
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: they're two faced. Because if a pitcher says, I'm just
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: trying to I'm just trying to hurt this hitter. I'm
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: just trying to. I remember when Cole Hamil's hit Bryce
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Harper back when Bryce was a rookie. He was like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I was just trying to welcome him to the league,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: like when I first got called up to the league.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: He got suspended for an intentional hit by pitch. You
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: should get suspended for an intentional cleap to the calf
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that ripped Hamilton's pants.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Trevor, what if in the next game coming up, Wilson
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Contreres goes to Carrot Krishane. He's like, we're hitting first batter,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: or we're targeting someone early and we're hitting him and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: it was you that he's talking to. What would you say, oof, go.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Drop that question on me. It would take more than
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: just Wilson, I'll be honest to lock that one in.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: It would take more than just Wilson. This would have
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to be a collective veteran leadership, like, hey, we're gonna
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: we're gonna play these guys hard like situation. And that's
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: you know, that's old school too, but like you know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: you don't go head hunting for one guy who has
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Of history with it. It's not like it's just random.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Or it was blatantly obvious, right, It's it's still not
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: blatantly obvious that you're being thrown at.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: It's just the way that you're pitched.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: And I think we've seen enough of these situations where
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: we're like, hey, man, like how about I throw everyone in?
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: How about I just be aggressive in on the plate
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: and be okay, if one gets away with me or
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Go or Gray somebody or whatever the same way they're
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: approaching you, I gotta I gotta compete, but I gotta
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: compete in the baseball way, especially when you're Gret Crochet.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: You're like, I could strike every single guy out in
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: the game potentially, Why would I give a free base
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: if I can avoid it. So it's one of those things.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: It's like it's an ongoing conversation. It wouldn't be that simple,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and it shouldn't be that simple, And honestly, you should
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: probably come out on the on the end of like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: we just got to beat him on the field. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: know that's boring for a lot of people, but it is.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: It is the way the game is played now, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: it is the best way to keep everyone on the
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: field too.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: It's kind of an inflection point. I mean, it's not
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: like Wilson Contreras has been on this team forever. His
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: teammates are still trying to learn him. They're still trying
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: to learn who he is. You know, is he the
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: real who he was in spring training? Is this who
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: he is? Do we like that fiery personality? If it's
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: a guy that's been there for like, let's turn the tables.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Christian Yelich has been with the Brewers forever. He's a
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: respected veteran on this team. People have seen him come
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to the ballpark day in and day out a certain
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: way for years, since twenty eighteen when he came over there.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: If he comes to somebody and says what he did
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: was messed up, I want you to put one in
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: his ribs. That's way different than Wilson Contreras, who if
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you sit back and you watch what happened, it's like, ah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: what I don't understand, Like why you're so mad, Like
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: he barely ticked you. If they're throwing at you, they're
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: putting one. They're putting one in your ribs. They're putting
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: one where you can't get out of the way of it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, we played the Cardinals forever, and the Cardinals
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: would routinely hit Yelly, whether they were trying to do
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: it or not. As a team, you are not allowed
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to let your best hitter, who is the MVP that year,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: get hit. You can't allow that as a team because
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: then they're just going to control the inner half of
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the zone if they have it. If they have the
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: inner half of the zone as a hitter, like you
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: just say, well, they're never going to throw in there
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: because they're afraid of hitting me. Then you just look
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: out over and if we have the heat map. I
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: sent the heat map. I'm not sure if we have
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: it yet or not, if we can bring it up.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: This is fastballs in from right handers. Okay, this is
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the red is power zone for Wilson Contreras. The blue
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and light green close to the hitter is where he
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: does not have much slug versus the fastball slash a sinker.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: So if you're a hit pitcher, where are you gonna
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: throw your fastball? Trevor up and in like all day long,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: all day long, like this is this is what you're
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: looking at. If you want success, you don't want him
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to do damage against you. This is where you have
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to throw your fastball. So I'm sorry, like, I'm not
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: throwing at somebody. I'm not throwing somebody on the other
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: team because they're throwing in a location that you can't hit.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: That's a good point.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: He makes good points, unassailable, I would say a couple
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: interesting also points to point out here guy getting getting
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: the cleat fired at him is David Hamilton, who was
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: these guys teammates last year on Boston, who by all
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: accounts very well liked and everyone was sad to see
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: him go. Uh, Caleb Gurban came over in that trade,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't just some like you know, it wasn't
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: like a guy who's been a brewer for a long
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: time is like he's like, hey man, I was one
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: of you, Like I know you guys like why me
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: just because I'm I'm here. So there is a little
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: bit of that going on where you know you're conflicted
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: when you know a guy who's on the other side
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: of the receiving end of something that he doesn't deserve
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: because he wasn't involved in the thing. And then and
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I also want to say this, you make a great
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: point about Yelly and and like, say what you want
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: about Wilson Turrets great hit or great player. He has
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: a history of some highly charged uh like getting angry
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: about about guys and being hit and not being too
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: happy about it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: He'll say what he thinks.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Like if I as a younger guy with the twins
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: and Joe Mauer.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Came up to me and said, hey, we got to
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: go and get this guy.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, Joe, when it tell me, when tell me exactly
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: which pitch you got it? Because you're Joe Mauer and
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I would never think you would ever have. It must
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: be really serious if if Papa Joe's asking so like
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: it's one of those situations. Uh, same with Yelich. Like
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: some guys that's not their mo or they're not they
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: don't get upset and they're upset and they need something.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: You pay attention. You're much more willing to to to
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: figure out a solution to that problem quickly. Then maybe
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: somebody who From time to time it's hard to tell
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: whether or not it's a then thing or there's really
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: a big deal going on there.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was David Hamilton on the Red Sox,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: but Wilson Contrera's on the Cardinals, so they weren't teammates.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: But I still see what you're saying. And also, wait,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I'll add to that for you. William contraras Wilson's brother
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: is on the Brewers, So if this does escalate, are
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: they going to fight to each other? The one thing
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: that I want to finish my thought with, you know,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I let you guys handle most of like the actual
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Hey is this appropriate? Where is he standing on the plate?
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: How to get him out? The one thing that I like,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Krats is the Red Sox look terrible right now they're
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: two to eight on the season. They look bad right
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: on basically all fronts. They are slumping and you can
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: lose your season really quickly. Ask the Orioles from last year,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: especially in the American League East. I'm not saying you
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: should do this all the time, but this is part
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: of what you sign up for. Wilson Contreres has done
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: this for years. He's had the same reputation for years.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: He's going to be a top three hitter for the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Red Sox and sometimes they're going to get this and
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: for me, at least, it's entertaining, and I think from
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the fan perspective, sometimes they're like, damn, they need a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: freaking shock. They need to get electrocuted right now, because
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: if they go down a bad hill for the next
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: few weeks, they might not be able to climb out
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Next few weeks. They're they're putting themselves behind the eight
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: ball because of the fact that the East is a gauntlet.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: We just had the Orioles on. We were talking Orioles
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: yesterday and what they've gone through. They haven't hit the
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: East yet. Like, if this team is two to eight
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and they're playing the Padres, they're playing the astros. They're
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: playing the Brewers, they're playing the Reds and they've played
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the Twins. Oh I'm sorry, No, yeah, no, the Twins.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: That was spring training Red's astros. Like you need to
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: be if you're going to compete in the East, you
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: need to win the games outside of the East and
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: maybe tread water and be five hundred in the East.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: So they have an uphill battle already. Sorry, like it's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: ten games in. You don't win the season in the
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: first ten, but you can lose it.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Hey, one more thing from this Red Sox loss yesterday, Trevor.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: We brought it up a couple of days ago, Alex
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Cork kind of called Roman Anthony out for his defense,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and they've been sitting the more often. Of course, his
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: arm from left field comes up big in the wrong way,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: comes up in a big moment in the wrong way.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Yesterday a couple runs score late in the game that
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: ends up being the difference. I mean, he's flat footing
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: throws from left fields. The core called out the footwork
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: being off. So did you see the throw and what
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Roman Anthony kind of seeing life
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: coming at him really fast right now. I think he's
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: about twenty one years old, he got super paid. I
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: think he's being asked to be the superstar on the team.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And Anthony himself, of course, was very accountable. He said,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: terrible throw again, bad baseball. It's on me. Got to
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: be at least competitive, and it wasn't so terrible. And
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: he's right, it was like dozens of feet off the mark.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when it.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Comes to it always actually has blown me away with
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: the wide variation between outfield arms and because the outfield
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: is such a and it has been this way since
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: we were in Little league. Like, you know, if if
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: a guy can hit, but maybe it isn't the best defensively,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: or I didn't have the strongest arm, we find somewhere
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: out there to put him and and it remains that way.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: So coming up Anthony, it's not like Anthony was a
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: high he has been a very highly talented prospect. But
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: the arm wasn't part of it defensively, you know, good
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: instincts was was the was the name of the game,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: but not necessarily the best arm tool. That said, I
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: think there is another element here with the footwork and
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: just playing. Basically, it's about playing the balls that you
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: can get to if you don't have a lot of range.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: You can just kind of make sure you're really tight
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: with the things that are within your ability to do.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Mark Canna, a teammate of mine on with the Mets,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: was a guy who kind of preaches.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: He's like, dude, I know not the fastest guy.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I know I don't have the best arm, and I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: know i'm the most range, but I want to make
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: sure that I'm playing within whatever my sphere is influences
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: out here. I need to be as good as I
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: can be within those parameters. And I don't think we're
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: seeing that from Roman Anthletic, Like it's okay if you
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: don't throw the guy out, but we you got to
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: put yourself in a best position to get them out
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: if you can, if it's within your ability with your
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: talent to do so. And it doesn't seem like that
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: is what's happening. It seems like it's a lack of
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: care and focus on mechanics with it. Now, I guess
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: twenty one years old, but he is a superstar. It
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: is something that we are counting on him.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: From him, Yeah, now it's becoming a story early on
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: here too.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: You can go in defensive slumps too, so maybe you
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: can work himself out.
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: Of it better than Bass Scoors.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Let's start with Jose Ramirez. He has played many games.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: In addition to being one of the most complete players
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: in the sport, he also plays He's durable, so he
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: passed the all time games played record for The Guardian's
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: enfranchise history. So since his debut in twenty thirteen, yesterday
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: was now his one thy, six hundred and twentieth game
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that passes Terry Turner for most enfranchise history. Who is
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Terry Turner? I don't know. Ask your friends that we're
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: following baseball from nineteen oh four to nineteen eighteen. Otherwise
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: we can just focus on the seven time All Star
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: now with another accolade, Kratz. I mean, he's just hard
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to not love. Of course, he is the guy, the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: icon in Cleveland, but there's just like nothing bad to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: say about him. And I think this just points out
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: one more component is the availability that he provides to Cleveland.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Imagine if he was a more injury prone player. I mean,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: when he's not in games, which is pretty rare for Cleveland,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: they're in trouble.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about there's very few players that
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: are I'm even sure the lynch pin more of a
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: linchpin of a lineup than Jose Ramirez. What do we
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: talk about the Cleveland Guardians all the time, terrible lineup, unbelievable,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: no power. Then they had a power serge and then
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh their outfielders can't hit. Oh now they
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: got it. Like the whole constant, the whole time, it's
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Jose Ramirez. Like the fact that this guy has played
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: this many games. I couldn't believe that sixteen hundred was
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the most by a Cleveland baseball player. That was surprising
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: to me. He just signed an extension. He's going to
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: be there for a little while. Like I feel like
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: a guy like Jose Ramirez will age differently. This is
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: talking about a guy who has been nine nine years.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: He has got his seven time All Star nine years
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: MVP votes six of those nine years top five MVP votes,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Like easily the most underrated player because of the fact
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: that he doesn't have an MVP and he's close to
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: he's close to like a sixty war for his career.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: So you're talking about a Hall of Fame type of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: player that Cleveland has gotten to watch his entire career.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: And Trevor, you've faced him probably too many times.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he's up there. I think he's top five
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: and guys have faced not a fun ab came up
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: against him too. We were same kind of class to
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: break in. It was, and I'll be honest, there was
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: a group of prospects over there in Cleveland and he
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: was probably third behind Francesco Lindor, who is the big
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: highly touted one, which I mean I think that's also warranted,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: very very good player in his own right, and Hazus
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Aguilar was the big bopper first base coming up with Cleveland,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: so you know, he was always with third base. He's
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: you know, he's kind of more of a second base type.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe didn't really have much that much power in the
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: minors and he just found this mode. It feels like
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: he can operate at ninety percent speed at all times
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: and still have still stay healthy and still be able
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: to steal bags. He's like that good of a player,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: but he always feels under control, and that is something
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I think that is more special than you can really
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: give credit because it's just not flash. He's hard to
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: pin down, but there's just like he's just there he's inevitable.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: He's just he's just a constant in that lineup, and
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: that team would be not not close to as good
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: of a team without him in that lineup. For as
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: long as he's been there, I think they've been searching
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: for that new group, those three guys that they're excited
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: about since he came up, and they're hoping these these
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: young these young guys and de laughter and sneaming and
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: and they can start to get some power around him
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: to keep the core going because he's going to be
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: there till the day he retires. So it's awesome to see.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: But you just don't see this as often that you're
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: not as touted, and you kind of develop into this
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: type of guy while you're in the big leagues.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: It is. It is impressive, and he is He's always
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: a guy.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: You're circling on every lineup, just automatic when you face
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: him in and I had to do that quite a bit.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: It was always like, okay, you got Lindor and Ramirez
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: and Santana every single day. So they were in my
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: top three face for quite a while in my career.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Craps looked it up. He said six for eighteen,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how mean he played appearances, but yes, I.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Don't think there's a homer in there, so I'll take
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: a no homer. And this is important.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Dang it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: The fact that I could remember is a good thing. Uh.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: But uh, I will say I only picked guys off
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: first base twice and I picked him off once, and
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: no one was more surprised than Jose Ramires because he
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: was like, I'm going this guy stinks.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I bet he has not been picked off very often.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: He is a super high Baseball IQ awareness guy and
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: one of the best base runners in baseball too, not
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: just talking about stolen bases. I'm talking about just everything
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: that he does, taking the extra base, having the awareness
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: at all times. When you watch him, it's like a clinic.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: So the Guardians lost the game. This is better than
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: box scores four to two. They walked Ramirez twice. By
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the way, Guardians are in first place. It's five seconds
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: into the season. Every Ale Central team basically has the
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: same record right now, which is interesting. Guardians are six
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and five, there's a five and five Royals, and the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: rest of the teams in the division are four and six.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: We'll swing over to the Nationals game real quick. I mean,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the Nats and Cardinals a
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: little bit more in the beginning of the season, Kratz,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: because then we probably aren't going to talk about them
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: much past the first month or two of the year.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: But both bullpens look really bad. I'm going to bet
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: on that game. Later we'll talk about it. James would
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: look really good, off to a nice start at the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: plate and defensively made a ridiculous catch.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the home run home run saving play, I don't
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: think people are I mean, we just had Joe Adele
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: on yesterday about his three home runs, like those are
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: that he that he robbed against the Mariners, Like it's
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: not easy to rob home runs. The issue with James
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Wood when he robbed the home run that he robbed
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: last night, like it didn't even look like he had
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: a jump. He is such a large human. He hits
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the ball so hard, and the fact that he hit
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a line drive to the center fielder in the eighth
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: inning that ended up going out of the ballpark really
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: showed like kind of a glimpse. Unfortunately, not many people
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: watched the Cardinals NAT's game last night of what this
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: guy can do. It was a two iron. It was
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: a stinger off the deck that went out and almost
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: broke the bullpen cart in Washington.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a few homers to start the year. Really,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the last couple of games is when he's been picking
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: up the pace seven twenty two ohps and I think
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: things can change. But you're going to get a high
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: swing and miss guy and probably thirty forty homers per
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: year in athletic outfielder out there for the Nationals who
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: are just in like total rebuild, let's have fun mode.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Same with the Cardinals this year. So just like play loose,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: have a good time, put up numbers, do your thing
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: in James Wood.
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: So coming from the Miami Marlins. When I walk around Miami,
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: I never saw a Miami Marlins jersey. I never saw
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: in Miami Marlins hat. I saw nothing at the sort
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: of pope. When I'm walking around downtown Denver, they are
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: really excited about the Rockies. They want the Rockies to
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: be good. This is a sports town. We are trying
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: to put a good product on the field. I think
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: Paul's done a great job of that. I've never seen
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: so many supporters of one team that I've actually been
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: a part of and that I've been on. So this
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: city and this team wants to win, and we're going
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: to try to put the best product every night and
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: do our best to win.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: It's Rockies outfielder Troy Johnston talking about how he likes
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Stenver a little bit better now he's Patrick Saunders, who's
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: covered the team for years, saying that the announced crowd
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: on Monday Night was sixteen thousand and three oh one,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: lowest in franchise history, including the COVID seasons. That would
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: be a huge win almost any night in Miami. I
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: know we've been picking on their attendance lately, but the
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: guy does have a point, Trevor. I've been to Colorado
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: a number of times, Denver specifically, I lived in Miami.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: You do see Rockies jerseys everywhere, and this is actually
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: part of a dynamic with two teams that have been
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: towards the bottom for a while. The Marlins struggle even
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: when they're good. The Rockies do well attendance wise, even
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: when they're bad.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting adamic also very well, said Troy.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tell if you were the new GM of
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: the team or just a player on it, so that
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: was well done. I think that that'll be in the
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: archives for when you do want to become a GM someday.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: He makes a great point, do you know what, do
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: you know what jerseys and hats? You do see a
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: lot in Miami Yankees. So, uh, they do like baseball.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: They just happen to like the Yankees more. It's it's
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a different situation than the weather is different.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I understand there is an element.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Of that, right, It's you get the beaches and it's Miami,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: and it's it's a different type of town that is
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: built around other entertainment.
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: And Denver no offense to Denver. That's not the case
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: to Denver. Denver is a different style. But that said,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: the discrepancy in terms of attendance should not be what
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: it is. And if you're gonna be on a team
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: that isn't really that competitive usually year on year out,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: and you you want to at least feel like the
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: fans are behind you. I mean, well, unless you're a pitcher,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Denver is not a great place or Denver's a great
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: place to choose, right, So, and guys have made that
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: calculus before.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: I've I've heard that directly like that. I would make that.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Decision because it's just seems like a more fun place
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: to play that doesn't feel so it's not fun to
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: play where it feels like it's empty or in an
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: empty warehouse all the time, and it's super hot outside
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: So I mean, he said what he thought. I love it.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: You candid, say what you're thinking.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Say it with the jest.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: A few minutes to go here slappands a great day
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: with Trevor May. Trevor, I wanted to ask you about
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the Mariners since you're in the Seattle area. What is
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: the buzz on the team so far in the first
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: week and a half of the season. Cal Roley at
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: its first home run in a great a b against
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Jacob de gram although in a losing effort to unlass
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: for them, but thoughts on the Mariners as a whole
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: in the first week and a half and also just
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the vibes I think, who is it? Ryan Divish said
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: that the excitement level and anticipation up in Seattle for
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the Mariners for this season is the highest since he
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: can remember it since he's been covering the team, so
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: probably fifteen years or so, since early two thousands.
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well classic a little bit of excitement out of
• 47:15
  Speaker 9: the gate and then a little bit of the tempered
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: excitement out of the gate with the slow start to
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: the middle of the lineup.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of there was a lot of
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: like this stat thrown out that they had the third
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: most homers in the league last year, and half their
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: runs were scored were off homers. And this is, you know,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: a notoriously fairly finicky middle of the offense, even with
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: the talent that's there. The two guys that are anchoring
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: in and cal Ralely and Julio Rodriguez are two of
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: the most streaky hitters on the planet and both notorious
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: slow starters as well.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: They've come out of the gate slow. Cal also has
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: run into bad luck with being.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: One of the robbed homers by Joe Odell, so he
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: would have to and he probably could feel little bit
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: better about it. But yeah, I think that people are like, oh,
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: are we actually as good as we thought? I've heard
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: of had a couple of times like yes, just the
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: pitching is exactly as advertised, that it's going to be
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of close games. It was always going to
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: be this way. I think that when they get into
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: groove though. Having got Josh Naylor and Brendan Donovan flanking
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: those two guys in the middle is going to make
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: all of the difference in the world. Putting together really
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: good abs. Even when they're not hitting, they're going to
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: put together good at bats. They're still going to walk.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: So this is what I testipate. But yes, I think
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: it's tempered more than it's ever been here, and there's
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: an expectation. There's an expectation to win the division and
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: go back to the playoffs and make a run again,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: and that is something that has never existed since I've
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: been alive here, So that is it's a good problem
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: to have, and I think that that is.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: The general sentiment here.
• 48:43
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