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I Will Find You… After This Synopsis · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 120 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: So, I think we've had a number of words in our past episodes that we said we were going to get to, but we certainly will get to the one that we talked about in our last episode, which is synopsis.
• 0:46
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 0:46
  I Hate Talking: And probably the plural.
• 0:50
  I Hate Talking: Synopses.
• 0:51
  I Hate Talking: Is that what you're saying it's gonna be synopses?
• 0:55
  I Hate Talking: Thanks, synopses.
• 0:56
  I Hate Talking: Yes, like you have a thesis or you have thesess, right?
• 1:01
  I Hate Talking: It's probably the same root language, synopsis and thesis.
• 1:07
  I Hate Talking: Maybe be the same root word.
• 1:08
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 1:10
  I Hate Talking: Synopsis is going to be interesting because usually sin, S Y N is like with.
• 1:17
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 1:18
  I Hate Talking: And the Greek or Latin root, but I don't know if synopsis is going to be the same.
• 1:24
  I Hate Talking: Greek or Latin with word, might be the opposite.
• 1:28
  I Hate Talking: One of those might be Greek, one of those might be Latin.
• 1:31
  I Hate Talking: And sin means something different in each one.
• 1:35
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, sin means Uh, anything counter to God.
• 1:40
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I'm sure that's what the Greek and Latin people of the day were thinking.
• 1:46
  I Hate Talking: So Let's look up synopsis.
• 1:50
  I Hate Talking: We'll define it first.
• 1:52
  I Hate Talking: I I think it's sort of like a summary statement that describes the critical points of a particular thing.
• 2:02
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 2:02
  I Hate Talking: And this is because last week we read a bunch of synopsis, synopses, possibly, possibly synopsis.
• 2:12
  I Hate Talking: About AI creating, rewording the the synopsis of the movie and we could not figure out if it was synopsisis, synopsesis, what did you say synopsize?
• 2:28
  I Hate Talking: No, what was the one you said?
• 2:30
  I Hate Talking: I think it's gonna be synopses, synopses, OK.
• 2:34
  I Hate Talking: So, the singular synopsis, according to our favorite American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 5th edition.
• 2:43
  I Hate Talking: It is defined as a brief outline or general view as a subject or written work, an abstract or a summary.
• 2:51
  I Hate Talking: Or a general view or a collection of heads or parts so arranged as to exhibit a general view of the whole, an abstract or summary of a discourse, a syllabus, a Conspectus Or a brief summary of the major points of a written work either as prose or as a table, an abridgment or condensation of a work.
• 3:14
  I Hate Talking: Well, there's a lot of funky words in that.
• 3:17
  I Hate Talking: There are.
• 3:18
  I Hate Talking: It seems like synopsis is typically going to be.
• 3:22
  I Hate Talking: An outline or a summary of a written work.
• 3:26
  I Hate Talking: All of those definitions typically refer to some sort of writing that it is condensing.
• 3:33
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- I couldn't say when you're at the kitchen table, just give me a synopsis of your day.
• 3:38
  I Hate Talking: That would actually not be accurate.
• 3:41
  I Hate Talking: -- I -- mean, I guess if I wrote like a lengthy discourse about my day and then I just provided the synopsis of that particular written work, then that would be acceptable, but no, I think a more accurate statement would be like a summary or some other thing because this does seem to be referring generally in this definition.
• 4:04
  I Hate Talking: To a written work.
• 4:06
  I Hate Talking: OK, interesting.
• 4:07
  I Hate Talking: I didn't know that.
• 4:09
  I Hate Talking: So let's check on the etymology or the plural first, which one?
• 4:13
  I Hate Talking: Uh, plural.
• 4:16
  I Hate Talking: We've been waiting a week.
• 4:19
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 4:19
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so, Most commonly, according to grammardefinition.com, it will be synopses.
• 4:29
  I Hate Talking: So, whereas synopsis is spelled S Y N O P S I S.
• 4:36
  I Hate Talking: Synopses, a plural, will be spelled S Y N O P S E S.
• 4:41
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 4:42
  I Hate Talking: And that follows a general rule for words ending in IS where the IS is changed to ES.
• 4:48
  I Hate Talking: So, my thesis on theses being the plural of thesis.
• 4:54
  I Hate Talking: Similar to synopsis -- is -- correct.
• 4:57
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 4:58
  I Hate Talking: Good job, hon.
• 4:59
  I Hate Talking: There also is occasionally, and somewhat acceptable, but highly Not the general rule.
• 5:10
  I Hate Talking: Synopsis synopsis.
• 5:14
  I Hate Talking: You just basically put an ES on the end of synopsis.
• 5:19
  I Hate Talking: But I think that's what we initially started calling it, and then we're like, that's not right.
• 5:24
  I Hate Talking: Synopsis.
• 5:25
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that just does, it doesn't sound very like educated.
• 5:30
  I Hate Talking: It's like, wait, right?
• 5:33
  I Hate Talking: It's like what somebody that doesn't know the plural of synopsis like we did last week would do just to like make it plural, so.
• 5:43
  I Hate Talking: Synopsis is the correct general rule that also says that that will have clarity and grammatical correctness according to this particular website.
• 5:55
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 5:56
  I Hate Talking: So now we can sound more educated, synopsis.
• 5:59
  I Hate Talking: Synopses.
• 6:01
  I Hate Talking: I was about to say the wrong one, synopses, yes.
• 6:05
  I Hate Talking: So, according to this same website, and maybe we'll check another source as well, but for the particular etymology, it comes from sin, meaning together or with, -- so I was -- right.
• 6:18
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, wow, -- you're on a roll -- tonight.
• 6:20
  I Hate Talking: And opsis, which means seeing or view.
• 6:24
  I Hate Talking: So, Literally Seeing together or?
• 6:29
  I Hate Talking: With the view synopsis.
• 6:33
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 6:34
  I Hate Talking: I, it's still sort of strange to me that sin.
• 6:37
  I Hate Talking: Together or with be would be used.
• 6:40
  I Hate Talking: But nonetheless, both come from Latin.
• 6:44
  I Hate Talking: And some.
• 6:47
  I Hate Talking: Theories here state that basically this was used.
• 6:52
  I Hate Talking: With the with type language because a synopsis would provide a view of a particular thing like we discussed a written work perhaps that could be understood together.
• 7:07
  I Hate Talking: So a synopsis would allow understanding of a larger group of people.
• 7:11
  I Hate Talking: Hm, wait, but it has to be a written work, right, so if you summarize a written work into a synopsis, it allows a greater people of that group to understand what you're talking about.
• 7:26
  I Hate Talking: So the whole group can understand.
• 7:28
  I Hate Talking: I thought you said like you were understanding the group.
• 7:32
  I Hate Talking: I was like that doesn't make sense.
• 7:33
  I Hate Talking: But no, -- the group is -- understand is understanding the written work through this summary called a synopsis.
• 7:38
  I Hate Talking: Got it.
• 7:40
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 7:41
  I Hate Talking: So, Synopsis and synopses are going to be the general rule, but according to that website that we quoted, Grammar definition.com, synopsis.
• 7:57
  I Hate Talking: I, like I said, the general rule, but synopsis is.
• 8:02
  I Hate Talking: is also slightly acceptable.
• 8:04
  I Hate Talking: But not preferred.
• 8:07
  I Hate Talking: All right.
• 8:09
  I Hate Talking: But if you get tongue tied, don't feel bad about it, cause it's still acceptable.
• 8:14
  I Hate Talking: Well, we did determine that definitely synopti is.
• 8:18
  I Hate Talking: I was rooting for that one cause I like cacti and all those.
• 8:23
  I Hate Talking: I think it sounds fun.
• 8:24
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 8:25
  I Hate Talking: Maybe we can get into next time the reason why some words end with an I in Pearl, octopi, cacti.
• 8:34
  I Hate Talking: There's probably more, but those are the two that come to mind.
• 8:37
  I Hate Talking: So, there you go.
• 8:40
  I Hate Talking: That is.
• 8:41
  I Hate Talking: The synopsis of synopsis, OK.
• 8:44
  I Hate Talking: So for the remainder of this episode, perhaps we will give some synopsis or just general insights into the Netflix series We Will Find You or I Will Find You.
• 8:57
  I Hate Talking: I will find you.
• 9:00
  I Hate Talking: Very.
• 9:00
  I Hate Talking: Interesting title.
• 9:02
  I Hate Talking: It's set an appropriate title.
• 9:04
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it is an appropriate title.
• 9:07
  I Hate Talking: So, I suppose spoiler alerts ahead.
• 9:10
  I Hate Talking: So, I don't, I guess before we dive into perhaps some of the details, we can let our listeners know whether this is worth watching or not.
• 9:17
  I Hate Talking: And then they can make their decision if they're going to go watch it before they listen to this episode so that we don't spoil it for them.
• 9:24
  I Hate Talking: OK, yeah, so you don't have to turn it off yet.
• 9:27
  I Hate Talking: And decide if you want to watch it or not.
• 9:29
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, in my opinion, you don't have to turn off this episode because it's not worth watching.
• 9:33
  I Hate Talking: I love the movie.
• 9:34
  I Hate Talking: OK, first, well, it's not a movie, it's a show.
• 9:37
  I Hate Talking: A 4-part, right now, 8 part, 8, 8 part, yes, like where they had so much content that they couldn't fit into a movie, so they went to a TV show provider like Netflix and said, hey, let's make this movie, but AKA let's make it actually a TV show.
• 9:53
  I Hate Talking: OK, so first, it is not for children.
• 9:56
  I Hate Talking: It is an adult like content.
• 9:59
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it has mature themes of variety of things that Contain things, right.
• 10:04
  I Hate Talking: Language, violence, yes.
• 10:06
  I Hate Talking: All right, so obviously if you're not.
• 10:09
  I Hate Talking: Of that, then it's not for you anyways, but I watched it.
• 10:14
  I Hate Talking: I binged it.
• 10:15
  I Hate Talking: And was obsessed.
• 10:18
  I Hate Talking: I loved it so much.
• 10:19
  I Hate Talking: I was begging pretty much everyone I talked to to watch it.
• 10:23
  I Hate Talking: Because I desperately wanted to talk to someone about it.
• 10:26
  I Hate Talking: And so I finally got you to, it was a couple of weeks, and you finally agreed to watch it.
• 10:33
  I Hate Talking: And then you didn't even like it and that bums me out.
• 10:36
  I Hate Talking: So now this is my opportunity to talk about it.
• 10:39
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 10:40
  I Hate Talking: So you would recommend it to other people.
• 10:42
  I Hate Talking: Yes, -- I told everyone to watch -- you recommended it to many people.
• 10:45
  I Hate Talking: Did any of those other people actually watch it?
• 10:47
  I Hate Talking: I don't know yet, but they should.
• 10:49
  I Hate Talking: I don't know why people are so against watching it.
• 10:52
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 10:53
  I Hate Talking: It's OK.
• 10:56
  I Hate Talking: There are a lot of surprises in it, right?
• 10:58
  I Hate Talking: -- That's -- all, it's almost like Toy Story 4, where you get like this ending fatigue, like, oh, we're gonna end the show because we figured out this major cliffhanger, and it's like, oh no, actually just redirection, we're gonna have another cliffhanger.
• 11:15
  I Hate Talking: And it happened several times over.
• 11:17
  I Hate Talking: So I think that's part of the reason that perhaps I did not like it, is it like, this could have been wrapped up sooner.
• 11:25
  I Hate Talking: But it was surprising, right?
• 11:27
  I Hate Talking: I know you thought that you had figured it out pretty early on.
• 11:31
  I Hate Talking: And I was trying so hard.
• 11:34
  I Hate Talking: I have such a bad poker face, but I was trying so hard because you know I'd already watched it and I was watching it alone for the second time, watching it with you.
• 11:43
  I Hate Talking: And so when you thought you figured it out, I was trying really hard not to give it away.
• 11:49
  I Hate Talking: Uh, that you were wrong.
• 11:51
  I Hate Talking: So I think I'm convinced you you were right, even so.
• 11:56
  I Hate Talking: Do you agree with that?
• 11:57
  I Hate Talking: My reaction?
• 11:59
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps so, towards the end, maybe.
• 12:02
  I Hate Talking: Uh, that was also maybe part of the issue that I had with the show is Now reflecting on it, is it like made this particular thing, like, this is the person who did it, and this is the reason why, and this all makes sense, and you should think that this is the reason that all this happened in this particular narrative.
• 12:26
  I Hate Talking: And it's like so obvious and you're like on episode 2, like, well, obviously that cannot be the answer because you have 6 more episodes after this.
• 12:34
  I Hate Talking: So like, this can't be the solution because There's more things that are, there's not enough content.
• 12:41
  I Hate Talking: So I think maybe that frustrated me a little bit, like, the show is trying to make it so obvious that this is the quote unquote solution.
• 12:50
  I Hate Talking: And you know that it's not the solution.
• 12:52
  I Hate Talking: So it's like almost trying too hard to say, That there's gonna be a twist.
• 12:58
  I Hate Talking: Like, obviously there's gonna be a twist because you're making this particular point that XYZ is going to be the solution, that it's so obvious that obviously it's not.
• 13:09
  I Hate Talking: But they do that a couple times, I guess, to your point about this, this, uh, the fatigue, they put like all their eggs in one basket, and you're like, this is what it is, and then it's like, oh no, it's not, oh, it's this.
• 13:23
  I Hate Talking: Oh wait, no, it's not.
• 13:25
  I Hate Talking: And so that's why at the very end, I was like, what?
• 13:28
  I Hate Talking: Like my mind was blown, like I didn't, all of a sudden, I felt like that meme is a Julia Roberts when she's trying to think and all the numbers around her and she's trying to solve a problem.
• 13:39
  I Hate Talking: Like all of it came together, like, oh yeah, duh, blah blah blah blah blah.
• 13:46
  I Hate Talking: So I absolutely loved that.
• 13:48
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess that's true.
• 13:51
  I Hate Talking: The last two episodes were good.
• 13:53
  I Hate Talking: Like if you can sort of grind out the first, like the first episode is like manually introduction, that's fine.
• 14:01
  I Hate Talking: So if, if this is an 8-part episode, right, then like episodes 23456.
• 14:07
  I Hate Talking: are sort of a grind, in my opinion, and then 7 and 8 are good.
• 14:12
  I Hate Talking: So like if you could just watch, maybe that would be a good thing to do.
• 14:15
  I Hate Talking: If you have not watched this and are willing to try this experiment, just watch episodes 1 and then the last the last 2 episodes.
• 14:23
  I Hate Talking: And see if it makes sense.
• 14:26
  I Hate Talking: And it like cuts out all the stuff that is like fluff.
• 14:30
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I think it could make sense, but you're not gonna get the whoa, aha moments, right?
• 14:36
  I Hate Talking: But then it's almost like a movie instead of like a binge watching a show, it'd be like a movie, and you will save at least like 5 hours of time.
• 14:46
  I Hate Talking: Maybe we'll, we will do this experiment and watch episode 1.
• 14:51
  I Hate Talking: -- I'll watch -- it again.
• 14:52
  I Hate Talking: I'll watch it a 3rd time.
• 14:53
  I Hate Talking: We watch episode 1 and then the last 2 episodes.
• 14:57
  I Hate Talking: Where like you find out that the main antagonist is the antagonist, not all these like fake antagonists that they prop up in the beginning.
• 15:06
  I Hate Talking: I'm trying to think of when.
• 15:09
  I Hate Talking: Certain people come in though.
• 15:11
  I Hate Talking: Is it one or is it 2, episode 2, I guess we'll have to watch it and find out.
• 15:15
  I Hate Talking: -- I think it's episode 2 though when -- people come in.
• 15:17
  I Hate Talking: I think the picnic scene is in an episode 1.
• 15:19
  I Hate Talking: So you have like a Reference to the person, but yeah, you don't really have any character development.
• 15:26
  I Hate Talking: -- You're not -- gonna have any.
• 15:28
  I Hate Talking: I'm not opposed to doing it your way, but you're not gonna have any buy-in at that point if you do it that way.
• 15:35
  I Hate Talking: You're not gonna be invested in the characters.
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: I'm sort of not really still invested in the characters.
• 15:41
  I Hate Talking: Like it took so long to go through this process that like, yeah, -- I don't -- know.
• 15:47
  I Hate Talking: So you regret watching it.
• 15:49
  I Hate Talking: Mm, not, -- not like -- firmly back, not firmly, not firmly against it, not firmly regretting it, but yeah, I think they're, like I would have rather rewatched like something else that I know is good.
• 16:06
  I Hate Talking: Like John Wick, I would have rather watched John Wick.
• 16:09
  I Hate Talking: That, that's on my list to do is like rewatch the, the all of the John Wick movies, yes.
• 16:16
  I Hate Talking: Or you're just gonna watch one and how many does he have?
• 16:20
  I Hate Talking: He probably has like 8, -- I -- think there's 5.
• 16:22
  I Hate Talking: And then there's also like the side universe.
• 16:26
  I Hate Talking: Like, I don't know if it's necessarily like a show.
• 16:28
  I Hate Talking: It's more like a soundtrack.
• 16:29
  I Hate Talking: It's like the John Wick music experience.
• 16:31
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- our kids haven't watched it.
• 16:33
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I hope they haven't watched John Wick yet.
• 16:36
  I Hate Talking: I make them listen to the soundtrack though.
• 16:38
  I Hate Talking: Oh, maybe that's how I was about to say -- how do they know who -- he is.
• 16:42
  I Hate Talking: They know who he is.
• 16:43
  I Hate Talking: They'll reference him and stuff like if someone's being like really cool or whatever, like, um, crazy cool and powerful, they're like, well, John Wick cracks me up.
• 16:55
  I Hate Talking: -- Is that like a term -- now?
• 16:56
  I Hate Talking: I guess.
• 16:58
  I Hate Talking: -- I don't -- know.
• 16:59
  I Hate Talking: -- I can't keep up with the -- terms.
• 17:00
  I Hate Talking: Yep, I'm behind in all the terminology.
• 17:02
  I Hate Talking: I use a like millennial term at work the other day and my younger cohort was like, good word.
• 17:10
  I Hate Talking: I don't remember what it was.
• 17:12
  I Hate Talking: I remember, I hope you remember it was a good word.
• 17:15
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I have no idea.
• 17:17
  I Hate Talking: Uh, we'll think about it and probably not remember.
• 17:20
  I Hate Talking: Was it a good word or did you?
• 17:22
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, no, it was a very, very appropriate use of, um, whatever it's called, millennial term, right?
• 17:28
  I Hate Talking: Are they millennials?
• 17:30
  I Hate Talking: Gen A, -- we're -- millennials.
• 17:32
  I Hate Talking: What's the gen -- below -- us alphas are kids.
• 17:37
  I Hate Talking: No, uh, Jen.
• 17:40
  I Hate Talking: Gen Z, yes, there you go.
• 17:43
  I Hate Talking: That's uh Ones that are entering like the workforce right now or in high school and stuff.
• 17:48
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 17:49
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 17:51
  I Hate Talking: It's all sort of a blur with all these terminology things that Or use, but I guess that makes me old.
• 17:58
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 17:59
  I Hate Talking: So yeah, I don't regret watching, I Will Find You.
• 18:04
  I Hate Talking: Per se, but.
• 18:07
  I Hate Talking: Like if I was going to devote my time to watching a show or movie, I think I would have rather watched something that I knew was good and rewatch something that I knew was good.
• 18:20
  I Hate Talking: OK, so this is a spoiler.
• 18:21
  I Hate Talking: Did it give it away that it was a good ending?
• 18:24
  I Hate Talking: Because I liked it, right?
• 18:26
  I Hate Talking: I feel like I wouldn't like something.
• 18:28
  I Hate Talking: Unless it's a good ending, right?
• 18:31
  I Hate Talking: So we've given minor spoilers.
• 18:35
  I Hate Talking: He's here so far.
• 18:36
  I Hate Talking: Now we're gonna have major spoilers.
• 18:38
  I Hate Talking: Is that what you're saying?
• 18:39
  I Hate Talking: So, yes, that's probably true.
• 18:43
  I Hate Talking: It has a quote unquote happy ending.
• 18:45
  I Hate Talking: It leaves a little bit to the imagination with like, whether the main character and sort of the supporting actress are like together as a relationship or something like that.
• 18:54
  I Hate Talking: But It's generally.
• 18:58
  I Hate Talking: A happy ending.
• 18:59
  I Hate Talking: But did you, I feel like, cause I kept talking about how good it was, and to everybody, and I was like, oh, they're gonna know it ends good though, because -- I don't like movies that end -- sad.
• 19:12
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, but it also sort of Ends in a positive light just because that's what you, the viewer, are focused on based on the narrative.
• 19:19
  I Hate Talking: Because there's still an orphan at the end of the movie that does not have any resolution.
• 19:24
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that is sad.
• 19:26
  I Hate Talking: But you're focused based on the way the story is written, to not even really think about that.
• 19:33
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 19:34
  I Hate Talking: See, I think that's my problem.
• 19:36
  I Hate Talking: Like, I like open-ended movies and shows where like, the narrative will actually encourage you to think about a variety of things instead of being like forced into their particular narrative, like, you will think that this person is the bad person.
• 19:53
  I Hate Talking: And then we'll trick you, and they're actually a really good person, or they're just like a person that was part of the story.
• 20:01
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that's why I don't like that.
• 20:02
  I Hate Talking: I would rather have it more open-ended where like you, the viewer, can decide whether they're good or bad.
• 20:10
  I Hate Talking: No, because I was just like, oh, this person's good, this person's bad, like the whole way through.
• 20:16
  I Hate Talking: And then at the end I was like, whoa, I was wrong.
• 20:20
  I Hate Talking: Everyone.
• 20:21
  I Hate Talking: Not everyone, but a lot of the people I thought were good or bad, and so forth.
• 20:26
  I Hate Talking: And also there is an argument in there.
• 20:30
  I Hate Talking: The bad guy makes an argument for the orphan.
• 20:33
  I Hate Talking: Being better off.
• 20:35
  I Hate Talking: So it depends.
• 20:36
  I Hate Talking: I don't agree, but it depends on your philosophy.
• 20:38
  I Hate Talking: Maybe the orphan was good after all.
• 20:42
  I Hate Talking: -- I suppose it depends on -- yours.
• 20:45
  I Hate Talking: I don't agree either.
• 20:46
  I Hate Talking: I can't even when I'm saying, I have a hard time with that, but That was his justification.
• 20:51
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 20:52
  I Hate Talking: I mean, at least he had a justification, but.
• 20:54
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 20:56
  I Hate Talking: So, I mean, my theory early on was like, this guy in prison was just having a hallucination and like this is all in his head.
• 21:05
  I Hate Talking: And I sort of actually wish that was the ending.
• 21:08
  I Hate Talking: Like that just by the end of the final episode, like he woke up, he's like still in prison and like it was all just some fever dream.
• 21:18
  I Hate Talking: No, see, I wouldn't have liked it then.
• 21:22
  I Hate Talking: I would have been so sad.
• 21:24
  I Hate Talking: I guess.
• 21:25
  I Hate Talking: I also don't feel like I was vested in The child in which he was seeking.
• 21:31
  I Hate Talking: And I don't know why that is.
• 21:34
  I Hate Talking: Maybe because there's like so few.
• 21:37
  I Hate Talking: Depictions of that particular child and it's more like just flashbacks.
• 21:41
  I Hate Talking: And things like that, but It didn't seem like there was actually established as part of the story, like a very real.
• 21:50
  I Hate Talking: Connection in terms of a relationship.
• 21:54
  I Hate Talking: Between the father and the son, so you weren't really rooting for the kid.
• 21:59
  I Hate Talking: It's just, it was like another kid.
• 22:01
  I Hate Talking: It is like as much of a character as the orphan.
• 22:05
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 22:05
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's true.
• 22:07
  I Hate Talking: Very little was actually said about him, right.
• 22:10
  I Hate Talking: The only one thing I had a problem with in the show, and I have a problem with this in a lot of shows, is obviously they have like.
• 22:19
  I Hate Talking: The protagonist, right?
• 22:22
  I Hate Talking: Or the um.
• 22:23
  I Hate Talking: Main characters And so you're rooting for them.
• 22:27
  I Hate Talking: And Lots of people get hurt along the way, protecting them or trying to stop them, and so I always feel bad about that, cause there's like a lot of casualties.
• 22:41
  I Hate Talking: That, you know, OK, this one family is happy.
• 22:47
  I Hate Talking: But there are a lot of other families that are hurt along the way.
• 22:50
  I Hate Talking: I think it's a very common, even like Indiana Jones and movies like that, that that happened.
• 22:56
  I Hate Talking: It's just how movies are made, I guess.
• 22:59
  I Hate Talking: It's hard to not think like, well, that character, even if he didn't have a name in the script.
• 23:04
  I Hate Talking: If he's just I don't know, guy with hat #2.
• 23:09
  I Hate Talking: He still had a family.
• 23:11
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 23:13
  I Hate Talking: I mean, it's different in Indiana Jones and like some of the perhaps older movies where there was like a good guy side and a bad guy side, and like, if a bad guy from the bad guy side was a casualty, you don't necessarily care as much, whereas like, I will find you will be more Just ambivalent about whether they're quote unquote good people or bad people, which is sort of the whole theme, right?
• 23:41
  I Hate Talking: You don't know from the entire characters whether they're good people or bad people, quote unquote.
• 23:47
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 23:48
  I Hate Talking: Well, each person had reasoning to do what they did all these years.
• 23:53
  I Hate Talking: This is a, what, like a five-year time frame that narrows down to just like a week.
• 24:00
  I Hate Talking: But it starts off 5 years ago, and you just see people's lives and what they did in those 5 years and how they thought they were doing the right thing.
• 24:09
  I Hate Talking: And I mean, we can always argue like, oh, this person obviously did the wrong thing, or this one also obviously did the wrong thing, but in their head, they were doing the right thing still, even if we didn't agree with their philosophy.
• 24:22
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 24:25
  I Hate Talking: They had justifications for why they did it.
• 24:28
  I Hate Talking: The mom.
• 24:30
  I Hate Talking: had justifications for what she did for her son.
• 24:34
  I Hate Talking: The dads had justifications for what they did for their sons.
• 24:37
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess, right?
• 24:40
  I Hate Talking: The narrative sort of just portrays it as happening.
• 24:43
  I Hate Talking: There's not necessarily any like moral commentary.
• 24:46
  I Hate Talking: Like Indiana Jones will have like an underlying moral commentary that these are the bad people, these are the good people, and even if they're not necessarily.
• 24:56
  I Hate Talking: At least it's Presented very clearly, these are the good and these are the bad.
• 25:02
  I Hate Talking: Well, maybe the overall story in here.
• 25:05
  I Hate Talking: The moral story is that parents will do, even put themselves on the line for their children, because there's what, 1, there's 5, there are 5 parents and kids' stories in this.
• 25:18
  I Hate Talking: That run kind of simultaneous, the cop and his kid.
• 25:22
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that was also still not, yeah, that was also very confusing that they called each other brother and they had no relationship.
• 25:31
  I Hate Talking: No, because the two dads were police officers.
• 25:35
  I Hate Talking: I understand you explained it that like after the fact that these two dads had 2 kids, 2 sons, -- they raised -- them like -- they were -- cousins or brothers, yeah.
• 25:46
  I Hate Talking: And then there was like the current cop and his daughter and then a famous mom and her son.
• 25:53
  I Hate Talking: So they all, I mean, there's a ton of parents doing pretty sketchy stuff for the well-being of their child.
• 26:00
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I suppose so.
• 26:02
  I Hate Talking: I think that's the moral is parents will.
• 26:04
  I Hate Talking: Do whatever it takes for their child.
• 26:07
  I Hate Talking: I guess so.
• 26:09
  I Hate Talking: And they will find a 3rd kid.
• 26:12
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 26:12
  I Hate Talking: I guess I don't think it really has a moral.
• 26:16
  I Hate Talking: Watch it, guys.
• 26:17
  I Hate Talking: It's so good.
• 26:18
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I still maintain that.
• 26:21
  I Hate Talking: It is not good.
• 26:22
  I Hate Talking: The more I think about it, the more I actually dislike it.
• 26:25
  I Hate Talking: The more I've talked about it during this episode, you not even 17 and 8?
• 26:30
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 26:31
  I Hate Talking: Maybe we'll try.
• 26:32
  I Hate Talking: And see if that like is a better experience.
• 26:35
  I Hate Talking: If you watch them again, I'll watch the Matrix with you.
• 26:39
  I Hate Talking: Oh, you've watched The Matrix with me.
• 26:42
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's been -- Have -- you watched The Matrix Reloaded?
• 26:46
  I Hate Talking: I at one point you watched, showed them up to me, all of them to me.
• 26:52
  I Hate Talking: I, I watched it while you were sitting beside me.
• 26:54
  I Hate Talking: Matrix Revolutions.
• 26:57
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I mean, I mean, well, is that the one in the movie?
• 27:01
  I Hate Talking: I think the one that most recent in the movie theater, I haven't seen.
• 27:05
  I Hate Talking: I've watched it at least 3 times.
• 27:07
  I Hate Talking: Which is sort of sad because the other Matrix movies I've watched double digits.
• 27:11
  I Hate Talking: But That one's not quite as good.
• 27:14
  I Hate Talking: I don't think I've seen it, have I?
• 27:16
  I Hate Talking: You've seen it in the theater.
• 27:18
  I Hate Talking: I've seen it in the theaters, yeah, maybe you've not watched it.
• 27:20
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 27:21
  I Hate Talking: The Animatrix.
• 27:22
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and I like that one.
• 27:23
  I Hate Talking: I do remember watching that one.
• 27:25
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 27:26
  I Hate Talking: So, maybe we'll do our experiment or you, our listener can do the experiment.
• 27:30
  I Hate Talking: You can either watch all of them or Watch episode 1 and then the last 2.
• 27:36
  I Hate Talking: I think there's 8, right?
• 27:37
  I Hate Talking: So 8.
• 27:38
  I Hate Talking: It's, I mean, it's definitely gonna spoil it.
• 27:40
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 27:42
  I Hate Talking: You can't go back.
• 27:43
  I Hate Talking: So if you do this experiment and watch 17, 8, and let me confirm, to make, just to make sure that there's 8 episodes.
• 27:50
  I Hate Talking: Or that if this experiment is correct.
• 27:53
  I Hate Talking: So there are 8 episodes, so that is correct.
• 27:58
  I Hate Talking: And I would say, You can watch episode one.
• 28:03
  I Hate Talking: And then, Might even be able to jump to 8.
• 28:11
  I Hate Talking: Where, uh, where's the guy?
• 28:14
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think it might be 8.
• 28:17
  I Hate Talking: I think you could watch 1 in 8.
• 28:20
  I Hate Talking: And it would work.
• 28:22
  I Hate Talking: But definitely 178, I think.
• 28:25
  I Hate Talking: Because episode 7 is where they like jump way back in history.
• 28:31
  I Hate Talking: I think it might work 18.
• 28:34
  I Hate Talking: These were also dropped on the same day, all 8 episodes.
• 28:38
  I Hate Talking: It was made to be binged.
• 28:40
  I Hate Talking: I also don't appreciate that.
• 28:42
  I Hate Talking: I would much rather have a TV experience like Silo, where you have to wait for each episode.
• 28:49
  I Hate Talking: You can actually like think and reflect and like theorize on what's gonna happen in the next episode.
• 28:56
  I Hate Talking: That's like old school TV shows, like that's how it used to be.
• 29:00
  I Hate Talking: Maybe it's just nostalgic.
• 29:01
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I don't know, I mean.
• 29:05
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we are in the middle of silo right now, but it's so frustrating when we watch it.
• 29:10
  I Hate Talking: OK, in disclosure, it takes us about 2 nights, sometimes 3, to watch one episode of Silo, right?
• 29:19
  I Hate Talking: That's true, we're not caught up on the current episode and we are on night 3 if we try to attempt that.
• 29:24
  I Hate Talking: Cause I, we just fall, I fall asleep.
• 29:27
  I Hate Talking: And then we have to stop it and rewatch it or start it later.
• 29:31
  I Hate Talking: But when we do watch it.
• 29:34
  I Hate Talking: Or if we start it early enough in the night that I can finish it before falling asleep.
• 29:40
  I Hate Talking: Then I get disappointed cause I wanna watch more, you have to wait an entire week.
• 29:45
  I Hate Talking: And I can't believe we used to have to wait an entire week to watch Boy Meets World or all those movies.
• 29:52
  I Hate Talking: It's crazy or TV shows, it's crazy.
• 29:54
  I Hate Talking: I don't like that.
• 29:56
  I Hate Talking: The only thing I do like about it is that it builds the anticipation.
• 30:00
  I Hate Talking: Like when Friday comes and silo drops, it's exciting, and I look forward to it now, which used to be Fridays, right?
• 30:08
  I Hate Talking: Like TGIF and stuff, uh.
• 30:10
  I Hate Talking: Thank God it was Friday and you'd have all the good TV shows.
• 30:15
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 30:15
  I Hate Talking: So, perhaps we will try our Test or experiment of I will find you episode 1, followed by, I think episode 8.
• 30:27
  I Hate Talking: I think that is the, the experiment.
• 30:29
  I Hate Talking: And then you, our listener, can let us know in a comment, email, or text message if you've watched this particular show, and if you're going to sign up to do the experiment and be spoiled because if you do this experiment, Straight from Watching it the initial time.
• 30:47
  I Hate Talking: It's pretty much gonna ruin episodes 2 through 7, right?
• 30:52
  I Hate Talking: I mean, yeah, you can obviously watch it, but everything's set up, you're gonna know, OK, this is a red herring or this is a whatever.
• 31:02
  I Hate Talking: But if you are not really interested in it and we're not planning on watching it, then just do episodes 1 through 8 or 1 and 1.
• 31:11
  I Hate Talking: That's right, 1 through 8, everyone, you heard it 1 and 8.
• 31:15
  I Hate Talking: It save you time and then you can say you watched it.
• 31:17
  I Hate Talking: It's less than an hour and a half of your time.
• 31:19
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 31:20
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.