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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Decades Long Sealed Docket (9/28/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: Back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going
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Speaker 1: to take a look at the indictment of Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: from 2019. And if you recall, he was indicted by
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Speaker 1: a grand jury and then the indictment was sealed. So
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Speaker 1: let's take a dive into that sealed indictment and let's
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Speaker 1: see what it contains. Sealed indictment, United States of America
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Speaker 1: versus Jeffrey Epstein. Count one, Sex Trafficking Conspiracy The Grand
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Speaker 1: Jury Charges Overview 1. As set forth herein, over the
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Speaker 1: course of many years, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, sexually exploited
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Speaker 1: and abused dozens of minor girls at his homes in Manhattan,
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Speaker 1: New York, and Palm Beach, Florida, among other locations. 2.
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Speaker 1: In particular, from at least in or about 2002 up
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Speaker 1: to and including at least in or about 2005, Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: the defendant, enticed and recruited and caused to be enticed
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Speaker 1: and recruited minor girls to visit his mansion in Manhattan,
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Speaker 1: New York, the New York residence, and his estate in
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach, Florida, the Palm Beach residence, to engage in
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Speaker 1: sex acts with him, after which he would give the
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Speaker 1: victims hundreds of dollars in cash. Moreover, And in order
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Speaker 1: to maintain and increase his supply of victims, Epstein also
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Speaker 1: paid certain of his victims to recruit additional girls to
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Speaker 1: be abused in a similar manner by Epstein. In this way,
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Speaker 1: Epstein created a vast network of underage victims for him
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Speaker 1: to sexually exploit in locations including New York and Palm Beach. 3.
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Speaker 1: The victims described herein were as young as 14 years
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Speaker 1: old at the time they were abused by Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: the defendant, and were for various reasons often, particularly, vulnerable
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Speaker 1: to exploitation. Epstein intentionally sought out minors and knew that
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Speaker 1: many of his victims were in fact under the age
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Speaker 1: of 18, including because, in some instances, minor victims expressly
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Speaker 1: told him their age. And all this stuff that they're
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Speaker 1: saying in the indictment here is all the stuff that
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Speaker 1: we talk about on a regular basis. So, like usual...
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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that we're providing some
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Speaker 1: receipts on the podcast so that you have something to
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Speaker 1: base your opinion on because anyone can make allegations. It's
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Speaker 1: not what we know. It's what we can prove. And
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Speaker 1: for me, that's always been the standard. If we can
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Speaker 1: prove something or at the very least, we have court
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Speaker 1: documents saying that something occurred, then that's something that I
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Speaker 1: find valid. But there is so much speculation, so much
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Speaker 1: rampant rumor that that once you start diving into that stuff,
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Speaker 1: it's an absolute black hole. So the blueprint for me
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Speaker 1: has always been, focus on the stuff that is out
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Speaker 1: here in the front, what I like to call the
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Speaker 1: hard facts, and then work back from there. Number four,
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Speaker 1: in creating and maintaining this network of minor victims in
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Speaker 1: multiple states to sexually abuse and exploit, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant,
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Speaker 1: worked and conspired with others, where are these others, including
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Speaker 1: employees and associates, who facilitated his conduct by, among other things,
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Speaker 1: contacting victims and scheduling their sexual encounters with Epstein at
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Speaker 1: the New York residence and at the Palm Beach residence.
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Speaker 1: So where are these others that they're talking about right
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Speaker 1: here in the sealed indictment? Sure seems to me that
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Speaker 1: the only person that got arrested was Epstein. They had
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Speaker 1: all this information, all this evidence, and he's the only
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Speaker 1: one that gets arrested, and then they let him die? Boy,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't look bad. And you wonder why there's conspiracy
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Speaker 1: theories that pop up. Factual background. 5. During all time
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Speaker 1: periods charged in this indictment, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, was
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Speaker 1: a financier with multiple residences in the continental United States,
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Speaker 1: including the New York residence and the Palm Beach residence. 6.
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Speaker 1: Beginning in at least 2002, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, enticed
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Speaker 1: and recruited and caused to be enticed and recruited dozens
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Speaker 1: of minor girls, to engage in sex acts with him,
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Speaker 1: after which Epstein paid the victims hundreds of dollars in
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Speaker 1: cash at the New York residence and the Palm Beach residence. 7.
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Speaker 1: In both New York and Florida, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant,
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Speaker 1: perpetuated this abuse in similar ways. Victims were initially recruited
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Speaker 1: to provide massages to Epstein, which would be performed nude
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Speaker 1: or partially nude. would become increasingly sexual in nature and
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Speaker 1: would typically include one or more sex acts. Epstein paid
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Speaker 1: his victims hundreds of dollars in cash for each encounter. Moreover,
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Speaker 1: Epstein actively encouraged certain of his victims to recruit additional
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Speaker 1: girls to be abused in a similar manner. Epstein incentivized
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Speaker 1: his victims to become recruiters by paying these victim recruiters
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Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars for each girl that they brought to Epstein.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. In so doing, Epstein maintained a steady supply
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Speaker 1: of new victims to exploit, and we know it was
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Speaker 1: three to seven a day. So you guys do the
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Speaker 1: math out there. Seems to me that there is quite
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Speaker 1: a number of victims that we've never even heard of.
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Speaker 1: The New York residents. Number eight. At all times relevant
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Speaker 1: to this indictment, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, possessed and controlled
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Speaker 1: a multi-story private residence on the Upper East Side of Manhattan,
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Speaker 1: New York, i.e. the New York residents. Between at least
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Speaker 1: in or about 2002 and in or about 2005, Epstein
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Speaker 1: abused numerous minor victims at the New York residence by
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Speaker 1: causing these victims to be recruited to engage in paid
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Speaker 1: sex acts with him. 9. When a victim arrived at
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Speaker 1: the New York residence, she typically would be escorted to
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Speaker 1: a room with a massage table where she would perform
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Speaker 1: a massage on Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant. The victims, who
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Speaker 1: were as young as 14 years of age, were told
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Speaker 1: by Epstein or other individuals to partially or fully undress
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Speaker 1: before beginning the massage. During the encounter, Epstein would escalate
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Speaker 1: the nature and the scope of the physical contact with
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Speaker 1: his victims to include, among other things, sex acts such
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Speaker 1: as groping, indirect and indirect contact with the victim's genitals.
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Speaker 1: Epstein typically would also masturbate during these sexualized encounters, ask
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Speaker 1: victims to touch him while he masturbated, and touch victims'
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Speaker 1: genitals with his hands or with sex toys. 10. In
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Speaker 1: connection with each sexual encounter, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, or
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Speaker 1: one of his employees or associates, paid the victim in cash.
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Speaker 1: Victims typically were paid hundreds of dollars in cash for
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Speaker 1: each encounter. Now if that was you or me... involved
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Speaker 1: in something like that, this would be a RICO case
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Speaker 1: and everybody would be caught up. When you have somebody
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Speaker 1: who is in your employ, who is paying people off,
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Speaker 1: who have been victimized, they're now part of the conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: So how is it that all of these people who
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Speaker 1: were writing checks and handing out money, making schedules, how
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Speaker 1: is it that all of them get off? But if
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Speaker 1: somebody's selling drugs and they live with their mom and
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Speaker 1: dad and the police come into that house, how is
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Speaker 1: it that the police can seize that house from their
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Speaker 1: parents because, you know, ill-gotten gains? But not Epstein, not
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Speaker 1: his boys. It's a joke. And there's no way in
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Speaker 1: the world that Epstein and his pals should have ever
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Speaker 1: been able to do what they did. Number 11. Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: the defendant, knew that many of his New York victims
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Speaker 1: were underage. including because certain victims told him their age. Further,
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Speaker 1: once these minor victims were recruited, many were abused by
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Speaker 1: Epstein on multiple subsequent occasions at the New York residence.
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Speaker 1: Epstein sometimes personally contacted victims to schedule appointments at the
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Speaker 1: New York residence. In other instances, Epstein directed employees and associates,
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Speaker 1: including a New York-based employee, to communicate with victims via phone,
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Speaker 1: to arrange for these victims to return to the New
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Speaker 1: York residence for additional sexual encounters with Epstein. So whoever
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Speaker 1: that is making those scheduling dates, that person should be
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Speaker 1: guilty of sex trafficking and abusing minors because that's what
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Speaker 1: was going on here. They were helping facilitate the crime
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Speaker 1: and they were part of the conspiracy to commit these
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Speaker 1: crimes and keep the criminal enterprise afloat and running. It's
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Speaker 1: clear as day. Anyone who knows anything about organized crime
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Speaker 1: should be able to take one look at this and say, look,
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Speaker 1: this is a RICO case and it's not even a discussion.
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Speaker 1: But that's not something you're hearing from the legacy media, right? Instead,
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Speaker 1: they want to tell you why Jeffrey Epstein killed himself
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Speaker 1: in that jail cell and they want to run cover
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Speaker 1: for the DOJ and the powers that be. Now ask
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Speaker 1: yourself why they would want to do that. Isn't it
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Speaker 1: the fourth estate's job to hold them to account, to
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Speaker 1: make sure they're being honest? and to make sure they're
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Speaker 1: shooting you straight? 12. Additionally, to further facilitate his ability
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Speaker 1: to abuse minor girls in New York, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant,
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Speaker 1: asked and enticed certain of his victims to recruit additional
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Speaker 1: girls to perform massages and similar engagements in sex acts
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Speaker 1: with Epstein. When a victim would recruit another girl for Epstein,
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Speaker 1: he paid both the victim and the recruiter and the
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Speaker 1: new victim hundreds of dollars in cash. Through these victim recruiters,
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Speaker 1: Epstein gained access to and was able to abuse dozens
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Speaker 1: of additional minor girls. 13. In particular, certain recruiters brought
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Speaker 1: dozens of additional minor girls to the New York residence
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Speaker 1: to give massages to and engage in sex acts with
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant. Epstein encouraged victims to recruit additional
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Speaker 1: girls by offering to pay these victim recruiters for every
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Speaker 1: additional girl they brought to Epstein. When a victim recruiter
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Speaker 1: accompanied a new minor victim to the New York residence,
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Speaker 1: both the victim recruiter and the new minor victim were
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Speaker 1: paid hundreds of dollars by Epstein for each encounter. In addition,
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Speaker 1: certain victim recruiters routinely scheduled these encounters through Employee 1,
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Speaker 1: who sometimes asked the recruiters to bring a specific minor
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Speaker 1: girl for Epstein. And we know that Recruiter 1, or
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Speaker 1: Employee 1 I should say, is more than likely Sarah
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Speaker 1: Kellen Vickers. the Palm Beach residents. 14. In addition to
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Speaker 1: recruiting and abusing minor girls in New York, Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: the defendant, created a similar network of minor girls to
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Speaker 1: victimize in Palm Beach, Florida, where Epstein owned, possessed, and
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Speaker 1: controlled another large residence, i.e., the Palm Beach residents. Epstein
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Speaker 1: frequently traveled from New York to Palm Beach by private
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Speaker 1: jet before which an employee or associate would ensure that
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Speaker 1: minor victims were available for encounters upon his arrival in Florida. 15.
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Speaker 1: At the Palm Beach residence, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, engaged
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Speaker 1: in a similar course of abusive conduct. When a victim
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Speaker 1: initially arrived at the Palm Beach residence, she would be
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Speaker 1: escorted to a room, sometimes by an employee of Epstein's,
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Speaker 1: including at times to assistants Employee 2 and Employee 3. who,
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Speaker 1: as described herein, were also responsible for scheduling sexual encounters
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Speaker 1: with minor victims. How is it that those people, employee
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Speaker 1: one and two, aren't arrested? How is it that they're
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Speaker 1: not being perp walked? And how is it that we
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Speaker 1: don't see them in cuffs and facing serious sentences? Okay,
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Speaker 1: Brown knew that certain of his victims were underage, including
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Speaker 1: because certain victims told him their age. In addition, as
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Speaker 1: with New York-based victims, Many Florida victims once recruited were
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Speaker 1: abused by Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, on multiple additional occasions. 18.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, who during the relevant time period
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Speaker 1: was frequently in New York, would arrange for Employee 2
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Speaker 1: or other employees to contact victims by phone in advance
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Speaker 1: of Epstein's travel to Florida to ensure appointments were scheduled
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Speaker 1: for when he arrived. In particular, in certain instances... Employee
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Speaker 1: 2 placed phone calls to a minor victim in Florida
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Speaker 1: to schedule encounters at the Palm Beach residence. At the
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Speaker 1: time of certain of those phone calls, Epstein and employee
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Speaker 1: number 2 were in New York, New York. Additionally, certain
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Speaker 1: of the individuals victimized at the Palm Beach residence were
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Speaker 1: contacted by phone by employee number 3 to schedule these encounters.
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Speaker 1: Number 19. Moreover, as in New York, to ensure a
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Speaker 1: steady stream of minor victims, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, asked
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Speaker 1: and enticed certain victims in Florida to recruit other girls
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Speaker 1: to engage in sex acts. Epstein paid hundreds of dollars
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Speaker 1: to victim recruiters for additional girls they brought to the
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach residence. Statutory Allegations, 20. From at least in
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Speaker 1: or about 2002 up to and including in or about 2005,
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Speaker 1: in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: the defendant, and other known and unknown, willfully and knowingly
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Speaker 1: did combine, conspire, confederate, and agree together, and with each other,
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Speaker 1: to commit an offense against the United States government, to wit,
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking of minors, in violation of Title 18, United
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Speaker 1: States Code Section 1591, A and B. 21. It was
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Speaker 1: part and object of the conspiracy, that Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant,
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Speaker 1: and others known and unknown, would and did, in and
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Speaker 1: affecting interstate and foreign commerce, recruit, entice, harbor, transport, provide,
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Speaker 1: and obtain, by any means, a person, and to benefit financially,
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Speaker 1: and by receiving anything of value from participation in a
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Speaker 1: venture which has engaged in any such act, knowing that
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Speaker 1: the person had not attained the age of eighteen years,
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Speaker 1: and would be caused to engage in a commercial sex act,
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Speaker 1: in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1591A
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Speaker 1: and B and 2. Overt Acts 22. In furtherance of
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Speaker 1: the conspiracy, and to effect the illegal object thereof, the
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Speaker 1: following overt acts, among others, were committed in the Southern
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Speaker 1: District of New York and elsewhere. A. In or about 2004,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, enticed and recruited multiple minor victims,
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Speaker 1: including minor victims identified herein as Minor Victim 1, Minor
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Speaker 1: Victim 2, and Minor Victim 3, to engage in sex
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Speaker 1: acts with Epstein at his residence in Manhattan, New York,
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Speaker 1: and Palm Beach, Florida, after which he provided them with
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Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars in cash for each encounter. B. In
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Speaker 1: or about 2002, Minor Victim 1 was recruited to engage
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Speaker 1: in sex acts with Epstein and was repeatedly sexually abused
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Speaker 1: by Epstein at the New York residence over a period
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Speaker 1: of years and was paid hundreds of dollars for each encounter.
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Speaker 1: Epstein also encouraged and enticed Minor Victim 1 to recruit
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Speaker 1: other girls to engage in paid sex acts, which she did.
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Speaker 1: Epstein asked Minor Victim 1 how old she was and
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Speaker 1: Minor Victim 1 answered truthfully, C. In or about 2004,
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Speaker 1: Employee 1, located in the Southern District of New York
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Speaker 1: and on behalf of Epstein, placed a telephone call to
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Speaker 1: Minor Victim 1 in order to schedule an appointment for
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Speaker 1: Minor Victim 1 to engage in paid sex acts with Epstein. D.
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Speaker 1: In or about 2004, Minor Victim 2 was recruited to
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Speaker 1: engage in sex acts with Epstein and was repeatedly sexually abused.
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Speaker 1: by Epstein at the Palm Beach residence over a period
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Speaker 1: of years and was paid hundreds of dollars after each encounter.
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Speaker 1: Epstein also encouraged and enticed minor, victim 2, to recruit
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Speaker 1: other girls to engage in paid sex acts, which she did. E.
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Speaker 1: In or about 2005, employee 2, located in the Southern
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Speaker 1: District of New York, and on behalf of Epstein, placed
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Speaker 1: a telephone call to minor victim 2, in order to
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Speaker 1: schedule an appointment for Minor Victim 2 to engage in
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Speaker 1: paid sex acts with Epstein. F. In or about 2005,
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Speaker 1: Minor Victim 3 was recruited to engage in sex acts
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Speaker 1: with Epstein and was repeatedly sexually abused by Epstein at
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Speaker 1: the Palm Beach residence over a period of years and
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Speaker 1: was paid hundreds of dollars for each encounter. Epstein also
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Speaker 1: encouraged and enticed Minor 3 to recruit other girls to
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Speaker 1: engage in in paid sex acts, which they did. Epstein
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Speaker 1: asked Minor 3 how old she was, and Minor 3
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Speaker 1: victim answered truthfully. 9. In or about 2005, Employee 2,
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Speaker 1: located in the Southern District of New York, and on
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Speaker 1: behalf of Epstein, placed the telephone call to Minor Victim
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Speaker 1: 3 in Florida in order to schedule an appointment for
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Speaker 1: Minor Victim 3 to engage in paid sex acts with Epstein. 8.
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Speaker 1: In or about 2004, Employee 3 placed a telephone call
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Speaker 1: to Minor Victim 3 in order to schedule an appointment
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Speaker 1: for Minor Victim 3 to engage in paid sex acts
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Speaker 1: with Epstein. Title 18, United States Code, Section 371. Count
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Speaker 1: Number 2, Sex Trafficking. The Grand Jury further charges 23.
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Speaker 1: The allegations contained in Paragraph 1 through 19 and 22
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Speaker 1: of this indictment are repeated and re-alleged as fully set
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Speaker 1: forth within. 24. From at least in or about 2002,
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Speaker 1: up to and including in or about 2005, in the
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Speaker 1: Southern District of New York, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, willfully
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Speaker 1: and knowingly, in and affecting interests and foreign commerce, did recruit, entice, harbor, transport, provide,
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Speaker 1: and obtain by any means a person, knowing that the
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Speaker 1: person had not attained the age of 18 years and
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Speaker 1: would be caused to engage in a commercial sex act,
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Speaker 1: and did aid and abet the same, to wit, Epstein recruited, enticed, harbored, transported, provided,
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Speaker 1: and obtained numerous individuals who were less than 18 years old,
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Speaker 1: including but not limited to minor victim one, as described above,
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Speaker 1: and who were then caused to engage in at least
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Speaker 1: one commercial sex act in Manhattan, New York. Title 18,
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Speaker 1: United States Code, Sections 1591, A, B, 2, and 2.
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Speaker 1: Forfeiture Allegations 25. As a result of committing the offenses
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Speaker 1: alleged in Count 2 of this indictment, Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant,
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Speaker 1: shall forfeit to the United States Government pursuant to Title 18,
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Speaker 1: United States Code, Section 1594, C1, any property, real and personal,
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Speaker 1: constituting or derived from any proceeds obtained directly or indirectly
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Speaker 1: as a result of of the offense alleged in count two,
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Speaker 1: or any property traceable to such property and the following
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Speaker 1: specific property. And right here is the most compelling reason
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Speaker 1: for why Epstein would kill himself. If he killed himself,
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Speaker 1: this would end up going to an estate and getting
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Speaker 1: pieced off the way it did. If not, and he
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Speaker 1: was found guilty, the government was going to seize these properties.
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Speaker 1: And all of that would have fell right here under
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Speaker 1: this jurisdiction, under Title 18. So it's interesting to take
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Speaker 1: a look at it from that perspective. And as far
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Speaker 1: as an argument that is logical and an argument that
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Speaker 1: holds a little weight about why Epstein would kill himself,
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Speaker 1: That's certainly one of them. A. The lot or parcel
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Speaker 1: of land together with its buildings, improvements, fixtures, attachments, and
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Speaker 1: easements located at 9th East 71st Street, New York, New
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Speaker 1: York with block number 1386 and lot number 10 owned
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Speaker 1: by Maple Incorporated. Substitute Asset Provision 26. If any of
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Speaker 1: the above described forfeitable property as a result of any
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Speaker 1: act or omission Of the defendant. A. Cannot be located
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Speaker 1: upon the exercise. Of due diligence. B. Has been transferred
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Speaker 1: or sold to. Or deposited with. A third person. C.
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Speaker 1: Has been placed beyond the jurisdiction of the court. D.
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Speaker 1: Has been substantially diminished in value. Or E. Has been
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Speaker 1: commingled with other property. Which cannot be subdivided. Without difficulty.
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Speaker 1: It is the intent of the United States. Pursuant to
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Speaker 1: 21 U.S.C. Section 853 and 28 USC 2461 Section C
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Speaker 1: to seek forfeiture of any other property of the defendant
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Speaker 1: up to the value of the above forfeitable property. And
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Speaker 1: of course, he was able to avoid all of that
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Speaker 1: because he died. And you know what? In that new
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Speaker 1: information that came out from the AP, if you want
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Speaker 1: to call it new, they didn't even mention anything like that. Instead,
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Speaker 1: they just talked about how this really settles things and
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Speaker 1: it gives us more information when really it just rehashed
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Speaker 1: stuff that we already knew. Either way, I thought it
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Speaker 1: was about time that we had the actual sealed indictment
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Speaker 1: added to the catalog and that we could all get
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Speaker 1: a good look at it for ourselves. All right, folks,
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Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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Speaker 1: the information that goes with the episode can be found
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Speaker 1: in the description box. Okay, round two. Name something... This
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Speaker 1: article is from The Politico. The headline, Judge unseals more
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Speaker 1: details in Jeffrey Epstein underage sex lawsuit. Authored by Josh Gerstein.
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Speaker 1: And this article was published on 7-7 of 2015. So remember,
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Speaker 1: we're jumping back in the DeLorean, right? We're taking a
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Speaker 1: trip back in time for this article. This isn't something
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Speaker 1: that just came out. This is to add some more context.
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Speaker 1: A federal judge in Florida has released new details about
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Speaker 1: high-powered lawyers for billionaire investment manager, pedophile, child abuser, sex offender,
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Speaker 1: investment manager Jeffrey Epstein, who managed to delay and water
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Speaker 1: down victim notifications that federal prosecutors sent to more than
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Speaker 1: 30 underage girls with whom Epstein allegedly had sex. And again,
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Speaker 1: I've been very clear how I feel about Epstein's team
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Speaker 1: of lawyers from back then. And don't get me wrong,
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Speaker 1: it's not for defending their client. That's their job. It's
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Speaker 1: for the way they went about it, right? It's for
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Speaker 1: the way that they achieved their goals with a helping
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Speaker 1: hand from the prosecution. This was a stacked deck against
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Speaker 1: these survivors from the jump. From the time Jeffrey Epstein
23:51
Speaker 1: abused them to the time they walked into the courtroom
23:54
Speaker 1: in Palm Beach. From the grand jury only hearing evidence
23:59
Speaker 1: from one girl to the prosecutors using their MySpace profiles
24:05
Speaker 1: and social media profiles against them. All of these people
24:09
Speaker 1: that were involved in the prosecution in Florida in an
24:13
Speaker 1: official capacity must be investigated. Attorneys for Epstein fought for
24:21
Speaker 1: years to keep the substance of the negotiations leading to
24:24
Speaker 1: the unusual plea deal secret from lawyers for the alleged
24:28
Speaker 1: survivors and from the public. However, a federal appeals court
24:33
Speaker 1: ruled last year that the discussions were not legally privileged.
24:37
Speaker 1: And we've seen this a lot in the Jeffrey Epstein case.
24:40
Speaker 1: It takes some time, years in some cases, but a
24:43
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff is starting to come out and
24:45
Speaker 1: come into light. A lot of it is starting to
24:48
Speaker 1: be unsealed. And it looks like it's happening in like
24:51
Speaker 1: five-year intervals, right? But as we have seen in Judge
24:55
Speaker 1: Preska's courtroom, she plans on getting this stuff released as
25:00
Speaker 1: fast as possible with going through the protocols that she
25:03
Speaker 1: has put in place. But back in 2015, remember, there
25:08
Speaker 1: wasn't all this hubbub around Jeffrey Epstein. People weren't really
25:12
Speaker 1: focused on what was going on. So a lot of
25:16
Speaker 1: this stuff went under the radar. Of course, there were
25:18
Speaker 1: some outlets that were covering it and it is news.
25:21
Speaker 1: So there was, you know, some coverage of it, but
25:23
Speaker 1: there certainly wasn't a microscope on the situation like there
25:27
Speaker 1: is now. So when we go back and we look
25:31
Speaker 1: at this in hindsight, like we're doing tonight, and we
25:34
Speaker 1: get to see what was actually occurring back then and
25:37
Speaker 1: how it relates to the story now, it's pretty interesting
25:42
Speaker 1: to see how the pieces start to fit together. Newly
25:47
Speaker 1: disclosed excerpts of emails and letters exchanged by prosecutors in
25:51
Speaker 1: Epstein's defense and posted here. There's a hyperlink in the article.
25:56
Speaker 1: You can obviously go and check that out and read
25:58
Speaker 1: these emails and see for yourself what was said. Appear
26:04
Speaker 1: to indicate that federal authorities and Epstein's lawyers work to
26:09
Speaker 1: limit information judges might receive about aspects of the deal,
26:13
Speaker 1: which involved Epstein pleading guilty to a state charge of
26:16
Speaker 1: In exchange for a guarantee not to prosecute him in
26:20
Speaker 1: federal court. So again, it goes to what I was
26:24
Speaker 1: talking about, what we've been talking about, what we all
26:27
Speaker 1: have known. Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers were able to finagle things
26:36
Speaker 1: to such an extent that they kept the information that
26:42
Speaker 1: the judges received to a limited capacity. Epstein and his
26:48
Speaker 1: lawyers were able to finesse this situation and they were
26:55
Speaker 1: able to get a plea deal that I've I mean
26:58
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to find another plea deal like
27:00
Speaker 1: this known and unknown co-conspirators are you kidding me right
27:06
Speaker 1: now Andy who wasn't further identified in the filing recommended
27:15
Speaker 1: that some of the time issues be addressed only in
27:17
Speaker 1: the state agreement so that it isn't obvious to the
27:20
Speaker 1: judge that we are trying to create federal jurisdiction for
27:25
Speaker 1: prison purposes. Assistant U.S. Attorney Marie Villafana wrote to Epstein
27:30
Speaker 1: lawyer Jay Lefkowitz in a September 19, 2007 email. So
27:35
Speaker 1: why is Marie Villafana writing to Epstein's lawyer, Jay Lefkowitz,
27:44
Speaker 1: about standard language regarding resolving all criminal liability and mentioned co-conspirators,
27:51
Speaker 1: but she'd prefer not to highlight other crimes. And she
27:54
Speaker 1: wants to, she wants to make sure that, um, that the, uh,
27:59
Speaker 1: time issues are addressed and it's only a state agreement.
28:02
Speaker 1: And why is she even conducting these sorts of conversations
28:08
Speaker 1: with the people she's supposed to be prosecuting? What is
28:11
Speaker 1: she part of the defense team? I will include our
28:16
Speaker 1: standard language regarding resolving all criminal liability, and I will
28:20
Speaker 1: mention co-conspirators. But I would prefer not to highlight for
28:23
Speaker 1: the judge all of the other crimes and all of
28:27
Speaker 1: the other persons that we could charge. Maybe we could
28:30
Speaker 1: set a time to meet. If you want to meet
28:32
Speaker 1: off campus somewhere, that is fine. I will make sure
28:35
Speaker 1: that I have all of the necessary decision makers present
28:39
Speaker 1: or on call as well. Now, let me ask you
28:42
Speaker 1: folks a question, okay? You think you'd get this treatment?
28:45
Speaker 1: You think that you or your family or your loved
28:48
Speaker 1: ones would have Marie Villafana? On the phone with your
28:51
Speaker 1: lawyer talking about let's meet off campus and figure out
28:56
Speaker 1: a way how we can finesse this by the judge
28:58
Speaker 1: without naming other co-conspirators and other people we could have charged?
29:03
Speaker 1: Why didn't you charge them, Marie Villafana? I really hope
29:08
Speaker 1: that this public corruptions unit kicks in Marie Villafana's door
29:13
Speaker 1: while she's sleeping in the middle of the night and
29:16
Speaker 1: arrests her. That's what I hope. Another email a few
29:21
Speaker 1: days later discusses the large number of individuals the FBI
29:24
Speaker 1: considered victims and continuing uncertainty about whether some of the
29:29
Speaker 1: young women were under the age of consent. I wanted
29:32
Speaker 1: to tell you that I have compiled a list of
29:34
Speaker 1: 34 confirmed minors. Villafana, the prosecutor, wrote to Lefkoe. Epstein's lawyer.
29:42
Speaker 1: So why is she telling him that she has a
29:44
Speaker 1: list of 34 confirmed minors? Why is she showing her hand?
29:48
Speaker 1: Why is she telling the defense about any sort of
29:51
Speaker 1: information they may have? What are they doing behind the scenes?
29:54
Speaker 1: What sort of deal are they working on? And why?
30:01
Speaker 1: There are six others whose names we already have who
30:04
Speaker 1: need to be interviewed by the FBI to confirm whether
30:07
Speaker 1: they were 17 or 18 at the time of their
30:09
Speaker 1: activity with Mr. Epstein. And again, I don't really care
30:14
Speaker 1: if they were 18, all right? If they were coerced
30:18
Speaker 1: into this and they were trafficked in this trafficking ring
30:21
Speaker 1: and passed around to other people and all of this
30:24
Speaker 1: shit occurred, I don't care if they're 18. They're human beings.
30:27
Speaker 1: That shouldn't even matter. Of course, crimes against minors are
30:32
Speaker 1: always the bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low.
30:35
Speaker 1: But what, are we just going to ignore if somebody
30:38
Speaker 1: was 18 or above if they were trafficked by this guy?
30:41
Speaker 1: All these claims that are made need to be looked at.
30:44
Speaker 1: All of them need to be investigated. That is what
30:47
Speaker 1: I have always called for here on this podcast. Equal
30:50
Speaker 1: justice under the law. Equal for us, equal for them.
30:55
Speaker 1: Everybody gets their day in court. In a December 2007 letter,
31:02
Speaker 1: the prosecutor acknowledges some notifications of alleged victims, but says
31:06
Speaker 1: they were sent after the U.S. Attorney's Office signed the
31:10
Speaker 1: plea deal and halted for most of the women at
31:13
Speaker 1: the request of Epstein's lawyers. Must be nice. Must be nice.
31:17
Speaker 1: So they sign this draconian-ass plea deal agreement, right? They
31:21
Speaker 1: get this non-prosecution agreement on paper. After it's on paper,
31:27
Speaker 1: they get notifications... From more victims. After they've already signed
31:34
Speaker 1: the plea deal. And they get them halted for Epstein's lawyers.
31:40
Speaker 1: Do you think anybody else is getting that sort of treatment?
31:42
Speaker 1: You think El Chapo's lawyers got that treatment? I mean,
31:45
Speaker 1: El Chapo's people got that treatment? How about John Gotti?
31:48
Speaker 1: How about Gas Pipe Casso? Why would Jeffrey Epstein and
31:57
Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell get such treatment? preferential treatment. Now that's a
32:02
Speaker 1: rhetorical question, by the way, folks. Three victims were notified
32:12
Speaker 1: shortly after the signing of the non-prosecution agreement of the
32:15
Speaker 1: general terms of that agreement, Villafana wrote again to Lefkowitz.
32:19
Speaker 1: You raised objections to any victim notifications and no further
32:23
Speaker 1: notifications were done. She's admitting right here in this article
32:28
Speaker 1: that they broke... The Victims Crimes Act. They didn't follow through.
32:36
Speaker 1: On their end of the bargain. Of letting the survivors know.
32:39
Speaker 1: What they were up to. They had to let every
32:41
Speaker 1: single one know. And they didn't do that. And instead.
32:46
Speaker 1: Since Lefkowitz. And Epstein's lawyers. Raised objections. They decided not
32:53
Speaker 1: to go further. With any more notifications. All because they
32:58
Speaker 1: were asked. By Epstein. and his team of scummy-ass, smarmy,
33:02
Speaker 1: involved lawyers. After Epstein pleaded guilty in June 2008 to
33:09
Speaker 1: two state felony charges relating to prostitution, two women who
33:13
Speaker 1: claim to have been victims of the money mogul filed
33:16
Speaker 1: suit against the federal government claiming that prosecutors violated the
33:20
Speaker 1: Crime Rights Act by failing to consult with them about
33:24
Speaker 1: the plea deal, failing to disclose its terms, and failing
33:27
Speaker 1: to keep victims informed about important developments in the case.
33:32
Speaker 1: The suit asks that the non-prosecution deal be rescinded. And now, remember,
33:37
Speaker 1: this is the deal. This is what we've been talking
33:39
Speaker 1: about that's in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. This
33:44
Speaker 1: is what they're looking at right now. And again, I
33:47
Speaker 1: think that there is a lot of trouble on the
33:52
Speaker 1: horizon for the prosecutor's office and those who were involved
33:56
Speaker 1: in getting Jeffrey Epstein this deal. I mean, just from
33:59
Speaker 1: the emails alone, folks, it's damning for Villafana. and Krischer,
34:03
Speaker 1: and the whole entire prosecutor's office in the state of Florida,
34:07
Speaker 1: never mind the federal prosecutors that were involved. In the
34:13
Speaker 1: court filing Unsealed Monday, the alleged survivor's lawyer, Bradley Edwards
34:18
Speaker 1: and Paul Cassell, contend that the correspondence backs up their
34:22
Speaker 1: view that the prosecution and Epstein's defense worked together to
34:25
Speaker 1: frustrate the legal rights the survivors should have been accorded.
34:30
Speaker 1: It's obvious what they were doing. Especially now when we
34:33
Speaker 1: look back in hindsight, we've had all this time for
34:36
Speaker 1: things to settle in. We've had all this time for
34:38
Speaker 1: new information to appear. And we've had all this time
34:41
Speaker 1: to put the pieces together. The exchanges demonstrate that the
34:49
Speaker 1: survivors' allegations of a conspiracy between the government and Epstein's
34:53
Speaker 1: attorneys to conceal the existence of a broad, non-prosecution agreement
34:58
Speaker 1: are not mere speculation, but appear to be well-supported. Edwards
35:02
Speaker 1: and Cassell wrote, they added that one email shows the
35:05
Speaker 1: parties negotiating to keep the judge in the dark about
35:08
Speaker 1: the full nature of the plea arrangement, as well as
35:11
Speaker 1: keeping the survivors, i.e. the girls, in the dark about
35:15
Speaker 1: the plea agreement until after Epstein's plea. It also shows
35:20
Speaker 1: the prosecutors setting up a meeting with the defense attorneys
35:23
Speaker 1: that would be off campus, i.e. outside the ordinary course
35:27
Speaker 1: of business. So why would they want to meet off campus?
35:31
Speaker 1: Why couldn't they just meet at the prosecutor's office? Why
35:34
Speaker 1: can't they sign and do whatever sort of deal they
35:37
Speaker 1: need to be that needs to be done there? Why
35:39
Speaker 1: do you have to meet somewhere else, somewhere where there's
35:42
Speaker 1: no surveillance, where nobody has a record of you coming
35:45
Speaker 1: and going? It looks shady as hell. And when you
35:48
Speaker 1: add it into what we've been dealing with with these scumbags,
35:51
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I don't believe that
35:53
Speaker 1: they were just meeting off campus for a nice cup
35:56
Speaker 1: of coffee. Give me a break. Epstein's lawyers, who included
36:04
Speaker 1: at various times such heavyweights as former independent counsel Kenneth
36:08
Speaker 1: Starr and Harvard law professor Alan, I kept my underpants on, Dershowitz,
36:14
Speaker 1: argue that the law did not require federal prosecutors to
36:17
Speaker 1: make any notifications because the women were not victims of
36:21
Speaker 1: any crime being charged in a federal court. Again, this
36:25
Speaker 1: is what I talk about and why I get so
36:27
Speaker 1: fired up. The loopholes, the loopholes have to go. These
36:31
Speaker 1: guys never get off because they're innocent. They get off
36:35
Speaker 1: because there are loopholes for them to navigate. And these
36:38
Speaker 1: same very loopholes are the ones that are put into
36:41
Speaker 1: place and onto the books by their buddies that they're
36:44
Speaker 1: rubbing elbows with at the golf club. See the problem
36:49
Speaker 1: here yet, folks? And you see why it's so crucial
36:52
Speaker 1: that in your local elections, you send people to Washington, D.C.,
37:00
Speaker 1: that are not scummy? Epstein was ultimately sentenced to 18
37:07
Speaker 1: months in jail on the state charges. He served 13
37:11
Speaker 1: before being released. While Judge Kenneth Mara made more information
37:15
Speaker 1: about the episode public Monday, he also dealt the setback
37:19
Speaker 1: to the women and attorneys pursuing the victim's rights suit.
37:22
Speaker 1: Mara turned down the bulk of their requests for the U.S.
37:25
Speaker 1: Attorney's Office's internal files and memos about the case. In
37:29
Speaker 1: his new ruling posted here, there's a hyperlink for you
37:32
Speaker 1: to follow. The judge said most of that material included
37:35
Speaker 1: draft federal indictments should remain confidential as attorneys work to produce,
37:42
Speaker 1: excuse me, work product or secret grand jury material. However,
37:47
Speaker 1: Mara said the alleged survivors were entitled to a few
37:50
Speaker 1: documents that appeared to have been shared with Epstein's defense
37:53
Speaker 1: team or were largely factual in nature. Now, remember, This
37:58
Speaker 1: stuff has all been sent to the 11th Circuit Court.
38:03
Speaker 1: So the 11th Circuit will take a look at all
38:05
Speaker 1: of it. They'll figure out what's going to occur, what's
38:10
Speaker 1: going to be released, if anything's going to be released,
38:13
Speaker 1: if this plea agreement's going to be tossed. So That's
38:17
Speaker 1: definitely a big one. That's one we definitely have to
38:19
Speaker 1: keep our eyes on and we have to keep digging
38:22
Speaker 1: into that and make sure we don't get backtracked there
38:25
Speaker 1: because it's very important going forward in this case. A
38:33
Speaker 1: spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in southern Florida declined
38:36
Speaker 1: to comment on the ruling and the newly unsealed plea details.
38:40
Speaker 1: Federal prosecutors have previously said they agreed to the deal
38:43
Speaker 1: to spare survivors the need to testify and to ease
38:47
Speaker 1: their ability to get financial compensation from Epstein. You know,
38:51
Speaker 1: they might want to run that by the survivors, might
38:55
Speaker 1: want to ask the girls if it was okay with them, because,
38:59
Speaker 1: you know, according to the law, that's what they had
39:01
Speaker 1: to do. And honestly, it's just the morally correct thing
39:05
Speaker 1: to do. If I was prosecuting a case like this,
39:09
Speaker 1: There's zero chance I wouldn't be in contact with the
39:13
Speaker 1: people who were abused by this man to be on
39:17
Speaker 1: the same wavelength with their lawyers. And if I think
39:20
Speaker 1: that I could get a prosecution and go for the
39:22
Speaker 1: gusto and put this son of a bitch away for
39:24
Speaker 1: the rest of his life, you better damn well believe
39:27
Speaker 1: that is where I'd be going. Not this little shit.
39:30
Speaker 1: shitty-ass 18-month, 13-month-served state sentence. What a bunch of garbage.
39:37
Speaker 1: A lawyer for Epstein, Roy Black, did not respond to
39:40
Speaker 1: a message seeking comment. Epstein's prosecution and the legal morass
39:45
Speaker 1: in which he is still enmeshed have attracted unusual notoriety
39:50
Speaker 1: because of his wealth as well as his ties to
39:53
Speaker 1: well-known politicians, professors, and celebrities. Earlier this year, a woman
39:58
Speaker 1: seeking to join the victim's right suit and identified as
40:02
Speaker 1: Jane Doe 3, we know who that is now, alleged
40:06
Speaker 1: in court papers that she was kept as a sex
40:08
Speaker 1: slave by Epstein and and forced to have sex with
40:11
Speaker 1: prominent men including Dershowitz and Britain's Prince Andrew. Both men
40:16
Speaker 1: flatly denied the allegations. In April, Mara struck the lurid
40:21
Speaker 1: claims from the court record and denied Jane Doe No.
40:24
Speaker 1: 3's request to join the lawsuit. Republicans and conservatives have
40:31
Speaker 1: also taken a keen interest in President Bill Clinton's connections
40:34
Speaker 1: to Epstein, hoping to make trouble for former Secretary of
40:38
Speaker 1: State Hillary Clinton's presidential bid. Press reports have noted that
40:44
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, as well as actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker,
40:48
Speaker 1: used Epstein's private 727 to travel to Africa in 2002
40:53
Speaker 1: for a Clinton Foundation tour of AIDS fighting and developmental work.
40:58
Speaker 1: Flight logs filed in connection with another lawsuit show at
41:01
Speaker 1: least 10 journeys by Clinton on Epstein's planes. And now remember,
41:06
Speaker 1: Clinton said he was only on the plane four times.
41:09
Speaker 1: I only been on it four times. What are you
41:11
Speaker 1: talking about? Blah, blah, blah. And even all the way
41:14
Speaker 1: back here in 2015. In Politico, they're talking about at
41:18
Speaker 1: least 10 journeys. And the author is not wrong here.
41:24
Speaker 1: There has always been a political... edge to this both
41:29
Speaker 1: sides trying to use it as a hatchet job to
41:32
Speaker 1: try and score political points for their side when in
41:36
Speaker 1: reality as i've been saying for quite some time now
41:40
Speaker 1: there are no sides to this folks all we have
41:44
Speaker 1: here are a bunch of scumbag elites who don't care
41:47
Speaker 1: about any of us never mind these girls and other
41:53
Speaker 1: girls who are exposed to their nonsense I'd like to
42:01
Speaker 1: know what he was doing with Jeffrey Epstein. How many
42:04
Speaker 1: trips did he take? Where he was going? What did
42:06
Speaker 1: he do when he was with this guy? Republican National
42:09
Speaker 1: Committee Chairman Reince Priebus told Bloomberg in March, When you
42:14
Speaker 1: hang out with a guy who has a reputation like
42:16
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, multiple times on private jets, on weekends, on trips,
42:20
Speaker 1: on places at least where it's been reported not very
42:23
Speaker 1: good things happen, it would be good to know what
42:26
Speaker 1: our former president was doing. especially because it appears he's
42:30
Speaker 1: going to be part of a campaign ticket on the
42:32
Speaker 1: other side of the aisle. And while I think Rance
42:37
Speaker 1: Priebus is an absolute moron, a water-carrying neocon, even a
42:44
Speaker 1: broken clock is right two times a day, the American
42:48
Speaker 1: people have the right to know what Bill Clinton was
42:53
Speaker 1: doing with Jeffrey Epstein. We have plenty of circumstantial evidence, folks.
42:59
Speaker 1: Plenty of it. Last month, conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch
43:07
Speaker 1: filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit demanding all Secret
43:11
Speaker 1: Service records pertaining to the costs of any trips Bill
43:15
Speaker 1: Clinton made to Epstein's private island in the Caribbean. This
43:19
Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about. Do you really think Judicial
43:21
Speaker 1: Watch gives a damn about the survivors, cares about any
43:24
Speaker 1: of those girls, or do they want to use this
43:27
Speaker 1: as a political weapon to bash the Democrats over the
43:31
Speaker 1: head with? It's very apparent and very obvious to anyone
43:36
Speaker 1: who's not eating at the buffet of confirmation bias what's
43:39
Speaker 1: going on here. Spokespeople for Hillary Clinton's campaign, the Clinton Foundation,
43:46
Speaker 1: and Bill Clinton did not respond to requests for comment.
43:50
Speaker 1: A lot smarter than Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew should have
43:52
Speaker 1: taken a page out of Bill Clinton's book when it
43:54
Speaker 1: comes to Jeffrey Epstein. Keep your yap shut. Because all
44:00
Speaker 1: of these guys that were hanging out with him are
44:03
Speaker 1: in serious peril. At least one presidential hopeful who has
44:11
Speaker 1: since jumped in the ring on the Republican side was
44:13
Speaker 1: friendly with Epstein. Donald Trump. I've known Jeff for 15 years.
44:19
Speaker 1: Terrific guy, Trump told New York Magazine back in 2002.
44:23
Speaker 1: He's a lot of fun to be with. It is
44:25
Speaker 1: even said he likes beautiful women as much as I do.
44:28
Speaker 1: And many of them are on the younger side. No
44:31
Speaker 1: doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys his social life. Yeah, that's
44:34
Speaker 1: not the comment of a creeper. That's not the comment
44:37
Speaker 1: of another degenerate. Look, nobody should be under any, any
44:45
Speaker 1: delusions that Donald Trump is a moral person. He is not, okay?
44:53
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is not a moral person. He's not the
44:56
Speaker 1: hero of this story like some on the right are
44:58
Speaker 1: trying to make him out to be. He is another enabler.
45:02
Speaker 1: another person who was close to Jeffrey Epstein, and another
45:06
Speaker 1: person who helped Jeffrey Epstein's reputation and helped him get
45:12
Speaker 1: in to that part of society. These are just the facts, folks.
45:16
Speaker 1: I know it's uncomfortable for people who are still carrying
45:19
Speaker 1: water for one side or the other, but we have
45:22
Speaker 1: to get past that shit. Look what it's doing to
45:25
Speaker 1: our nation. Just today, I saw two people that have
45:30
Speaker 1: been friends since childhood going at it over stupid ass,
45:35
Speaker 1: dumb ass, nonsensical, divisive politics. And I will not be
45:40
Speaker 1: part of that shit. And I just won't do it.
45:42
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. For the past year, I've been
45:45
Speaker 1: seeing how things have turned. And it's disturbing to me.
45:50
Speaker 1: It's very disturbing that we can no longer have proper conversations.
45:56
Speaker 1: The whole point of politics, of detente, is to talk
46:01
Speaker 1: with people you don't agree with. And if we've gotten
46:03
Speaker 1: to a point where that's not going to happen, then
46:05
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. We're honestly, we're
46:09
Speaker 1: finished as a society if that's the case. And we're
46:11
Speaker 1: looking at a lot of pain coming down the pipe.
46:15
Speaker 1: I know for my part, I've taken a very clinical
46:19
Speaker 1: approach to this whole entire thing for the past year
46:22
Speaker 1: and been very, very neutral about what has been going
46:27
Speaker 1: on politically as I've been immersed in this Jeffrey Epstein case.
46:32
Speaker 1: But what I will say is the divisiveness has to stop.
46:38
Speaker 1: A Trump associate said Tuesday that Trump wasn't aware of
46:41
Speaker 1: any wrongdoing, that he and Epstein were not particularly close.
46:45
Speaker 1: And he was a member of Trump's clubs where he
46:47
Speaker 1: would visit with women and business associates. But there was
46:50
Speaker 1: no formal relationship, the source close to Trump said. And again, Trump,
46:54
Speaker 1: just like the rest of them, just like with Bill Clinton.
46:56
Speaker 1: It's bullshit, dude. Just own it. Own that you guys
47:00
Speaker 1: were homies. Come forward and talk about what you know. Now,
47:04
Speaker 1: I will say that Trump spoke to Bradley Edwards back
47:08
Speaker 1: in the day when Bradley Edwards was conducting his investigation. But,
47:14
Speaker 1: you know, okay, that's great. That's good. That's a good step,
47:17
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But wishing Ghislaine Maxwell well. And,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's just been one misstep after the other
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Speaker 1: when it comes to Epstein with Trump. So I don't
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Speaker 1: know how anyone on the right can try and use–
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein has a cudgel to beat people on the left.
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Speaker 1: And people on the left don't think I've forgotten about you.
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Speaker 1: Because guess what? You most certainly can't use this as
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Speaker 1: a weapon against Donald Trump and his people either. Because
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Speaker 1: guess what, folks? There's enough scumbaggery on both sides to
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Speaker 1: go around. And the sooner we accept that, the sooner
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Speaker 1: we'll be to getting to a point where we all
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Speaker 1: understand that these people who have chosen to become career politicians,
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Speaker 1: are the real problem behind the scenes. They're the ones
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Speaker 1: that write these laws. They're the ones that wrote all
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Speaker 1: of these laws with all of these loopholes that Dershowitz
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Speaker 1: and company used to get Jeffrey Epstein off. These people
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Speaker 1: that we elect, these are the people that are taking
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Speaker 1: money hand over fist from people just like Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: And you don't think that they're getting anything in return?
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Speaker 1: People like Epstein are just ponying up dough to these
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Speaker 1: politicians for their health? Of course not. We know it's symbiotic.
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Speaker 1: We have to make sure that the people who are
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Speaker 1: writing these laws understand that the people, the populace, the
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Speaker 1: citizens are no longer going to accept The brazen display
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Speaker 1: of this two-tier justice system that we have seen used
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Speaker 1: countless times against people who do not have means by
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Speaker 1: people who are so-called elite. It has to stop. One
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Speaker 1: justice system for everybody. That needs to be the goal.
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Speaker 1: And the only way we're ever going to get there
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Speaker 1: is if we have politicians that understand that the people
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Speaker 1: will not accept their bullshit any longer. And that goes
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Speaker 1: for both sides of the aisle. If you'd like to
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Speaker 1: contact me, you can do that at bobbycappucci at protonmail.com.
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