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Jared Jones is back, Pirates split series with Cubs · Bucco Territory: A Pittsburgh Pirates Podcast

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Buco Territory,
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Speaker 1: presented to you by the Foul Territory Network on Noahiles.
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Speaker 1: Joining me as always are my co host Josh Harrison
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Speaker 1: and Platinum Key aka Mark. The Pirates win two and
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Speaker 1: then lose two in their four game series against the
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Speaker 1: Chicago Cubs. They lose the back end of their four
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Speaker 1: game set. We're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk
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Speaker 1: about the guy who's on the bump Friday, Jared Jones
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Speaker 1: making his first start for the Pirates since twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 1: Mark's excited about it. We're gonna dive into that, and
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Speaker 1: as always, we will round out our Friday show with
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Speaker 1: our weekly segment Jay Hay Now, where our own Josh
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Speaker 1: Harrison highlights something that he noticed this week and Buco Land.
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Speaker 1: But guys, we'll start off with the series split. The
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Speaker 1: Pirates take the first two games, they lose the back
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Speaker 1: end to the last one being a Paul Skien start.
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Speaker 1: Skins looked a little better today. I think he finished
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Speaker 1: with five and a third three earned runs or two
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Speaker 1: three runs three runs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, they made two scoring changes.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say they absolutely should have It should
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Speaker 1: have only been one run, so three five and a
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Speaker 1: third three runs earned or three runs allowed one earned.
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Speaker 1: He struck out ten. I believe he walked three yep,
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Speaker 1: So I mean he was he was fine. He wasn't
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Speaker 1: Paul Skin's level good, but he was good enough to
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Speaker 1: keep them in the game. The defense was a bad,
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Speaker 1: bad footnote of this series. The offense looked really good
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Speaker 1: in the first couple of games of the series, kind
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Speaker 1: of faded away in the back half. I'll start with
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Speaker 1: Mark here. I mean, what's your takeaway. Are you feeling
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Speaker 1: better or worse after these four games?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it was. It was disappointing the way
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Speaker 2: it ended because there was so much momentum. It felt
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Speaker 2: like after the first two games it felt like this
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Speaker 2: team was really rolling and with a skien start in
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Speaker 2: one of the next two games, you felt like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: we can pick up one of these next two win
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Speaker 2: the series, take a big step forward in the division,
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Speaker 2: and instead it just felt like two steps forward, two
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Speaker 2: steps back. So I'm kind of left just numb with
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Speaker 2: this series. It feels like a missed opportunity, especially with
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Speaker 2: it being at PNC. You had Paul Skins up against
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Speaker 2: the Cubs. You got a solid start out of him.
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Speaker 2: It may not have been a you know, classic Paul
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Speaker 2: Skins just gem, but if any other picture gave what
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Speaker 2: he threw tonight, we'd be saying, wow, that was fantastic.
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Speaker 2: So good stuff for Paul Skins tonight. But yeah, just overall,
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Speaker 2: it just really felt like there was a lot of
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Speaker 2: meat left on the bone. And just I don't feel
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Speaker 2: like as optimistic as I did coming into the series necessarily, Josh, I.
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Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, how do you think? How do you think?
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Speaker 1: And they're feeling after winning to losing two.
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Speaker 3: I think they're okay.
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Speaker 4: Obviously with Paul going tonight, you you I don't want
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Speaker 4: to say you look at those is for sure wins,
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Speaker 4: but you obviously like your probability to say, you know,
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Speaker 4: we got a likely a very high chance of winning.
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Speaker 4: Unfortunately that didn't happen to night. But also some you know,
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Speaker 4: some defensive blunders which defense can cost you games. But
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Speaker 4: that also shows why one hundred sixty two is tough. Man,
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Speaker 4: It is a ride. But you know, four game series
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Speaker 4: or series that don't happen often, and one you look
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Speaker 4: at it, they want the first two Typically when you're
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Speaker 4: playing a three games set. You know, you're like, oh,
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Speaker 4: we want the first two, let's go for sweep. To
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Speaker 4: to play a four game set to win three out
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Speaker 4: of four is it just shows you how tough it is,
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Speaker 4: even when you got you know, the best picture in
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Speaker 4: the game. So you look at it to say, yes,
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Speaker 4: in your words, Mark, yes, a lot of meat may
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Speaker 4: have been left on the bone. But you also look
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Speaker 4: to say, you know, the start that we would consider,
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Speaker 4: you know, like a high likely chance to win. We
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Speaker 4: didn't win, but you know what, we still salvaged a
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Speaker 4: series split. Yes we would have liked to win, but
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Speaker 4: you know, you gotta look at things to say, yes,
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Speaker 4: we had a chance, and yes it sucks, but at
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Speaker 4: the end of the day, you didn't lose the series,
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Speaker 4: and that that's better than you know, you know, splitting
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Speaker 4: the series better than losing the series. And you move
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Speaker 4: on to the next one to say, you know, I
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Speaker 4: don't think the next one is a four game set.
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Speaker 5: Right, yeah, yeah, so you're gonna you're looking at that
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Speaker 5: to say, you, as you said, two steps forward, two
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Speaker 5: steps backwards.
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Speaker 4: You didn't really gain, right, you didn't lose ground, granted,
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Speaker 4: depending what happened above, you know, behind you you split
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Speaker 4: two out of four, It's hard to be a major
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Speaker 4: league team three out of four times, you know, let
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Speaker 4: alone you in tune row. Momentum is big, but you know,
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Speaker 4: also things happen. As you know, we'll get into a
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Speaker 4: little bit more for the down segment.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the way I see it right now,
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Speaker 1: they're just treading water. They're not they're not gaining any ground,
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Speaker 1: but they're not losing any ground. I mean, they were
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Speaker 1: a last place team in this division by being a
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Speaker 1: game over five hundred after getting swept by the Phillies.
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Speaker 1: And that's still what they are. They're five and five
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Speaker 1: since getting swept by the Phillies. So I mean, and
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Speaker 1: I believe Sunday was when o'hearne went on the IL, Right,
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Speaker 1: that sounds right, That sounds right. Yeah, so yeah, so
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Speaker 1: I mean, if he might have went on Saturday, it
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Speaker 1: was it was during one of those six nothing losses
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Speaker 1: where he was on the IL. But nonetheless, like if
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Speaker 1: you if you used that Phillies sweep as like a
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Speaker 1: marking point, they played five hundred baseball without Ryan O'Hearn
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Speaker 1: in in a stretch where they got two less than optimal. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: starts from Paul Skiings.
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Speaker 2: Really stand point. That's encouraging, but it's fine. Look at
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Speaker 2: the whole year too. The Pirates are also five hundred.
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Speaker 2: In Paul Skis starts, they're six and six, they're five hundred.
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Speaker 1: In general, they're one game above five hundred. Like they're
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Speaker 1: just playing to what they are. They look good sometimes,
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Speaker 1: they look bad sometimes, And I think that that's like
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Speaker 1: I think I said earlier on this show, like weeks ago,
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Speaker 1: that like when Memorial Day comes around, you kind of
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Speaker 1: have an idea of what your team is. Not to
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Speaker 1: say that, like you know, you're completely bought in one
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Speaker 1: way or another, but like that's kind of what this
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Speaker 1: team is right now. It's it's a five hundred ball club,
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Speaker 1: which isn't good enough. I mean, it's better than last year.
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Speaker 1: It's a dramatic improvement from where they were at this
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Speaker 1: time last year, but it still not good enough. So
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Speaker 1: you look at the schedule. You've got three games coming
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Speaker 1: up at home against the fighting Derek Shelton's and you've
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Speaker 1: got to win two of those, go up another game
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Speaker 1: and five, you know, go another game above five hundred.
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Speaker 1: Because you look at the calendar, that's what's coming up. Man,
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Speaker 1: you're going to Houston, you're going to Atlanta, you're going home,
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Speaker 1: and you're playing the Los Angeles Dodgers. So I mean,
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Speaker 1: June does not start off. It gets a lot easier.
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Speaker 1: You get the Marlins, you get the Rockies. But I
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Speaker 1: mean again, you're you're playing the Mariners. You're playing the
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Speaker 1: Phillies in uh, July as well or June as well.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, June's probably their toughest month on the schedule
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Speaker 1: to date. So they got to get going.
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Speaker 2: They got to get it round with a really good competition.
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Speaker 2: So far, I don't know if they're still like one
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Speaker 2: of the toughest strength of schedules thus far, but I.
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Speaker 1: Mean that's yeah. But in June, I mean you look
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Speaker 1: at it. They're for three of their first five series
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Speaker 1: against first place teams right now.
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Speaker 4: So that list of teams you just ran off, that's
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Speaker 4: some some prettyesthetic competition.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, you can keep floating, but eventually,
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Speaker 1: like you know, that's why this weekend series against Minnesota
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Speaker 1: is really important, and they've got a really important guy
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Speaker 1: on the bump for game one of that series. Jared
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Speaker 1: Jones makes his return on Friday Today. When you're listening
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Speaker 1: to this. We're gonna talk about it after this break.
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Speaker 1: All right, Jared Jones he's back, folks, and guess what
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Speaker 1: he's in the starting rotation. Finally, not in the We
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Speaker 1: don't say that, we don't say the B word. He's
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Speaker 1: not in the B word. Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Uh me.
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Speaker 4: He threw one though, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah he did. He threw one, but he wasn't a
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Speaker 1: part of it and that's the difference. Yeah, he'll be
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Speaker 1: starting on Friday against the Minnesota Twins.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Mark again, I'll start with you. I can see the
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Speaker 1: smile on your face. I mean, this is a this
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Speaker 1: is a big time guy, someone a lot of a
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Speaker 1: lot of the fans really love. How excited are you
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Speaker 1: to watch number thirty seven to take the bump again? Oh?
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Speaker 2: I've missed watching Jared Jones pitch so so much. Just
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Speaker 2: the fire, the energy, like he just gets it going.
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Speaker 2: You watch him on the mountain and it's electric. And
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Speaker 2: that's just his emotions. It's also his stuff. I mean,
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Speaker 2: his fastball average less Or in twenty twenty four was
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Speaker 2: ninety seven point three miles per hour. He gets a
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Speaker 2: ton of swing and misses. He's only really like a
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Speaker 2: two pitch kind of guy, fastball slider. He'll mix him
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Speaker 2: the change up more against lefties, but basically just two
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Speaker 2: pitches and really really pairs them together well, like he
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Speaker 2: can tunnel them really well keep guys off balance. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to get Jones back in the rotation,
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Speaker 2: but I may be even more excited about the fact
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Speaker 2: that it pushes Carmen Macinski into the bullpen, just because
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Speaker 2: this bullpen needs so much help, and that is such
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Speaker 2: an improvement. You can go high leverage multiple innings with him.
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Speaker 2: He's been there before and he's shown that he you
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Speaker 2: can just trust him. So I really really appreciate that
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Speaker 2: aspect of the Jones move, not just getting back. Uh
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Speaker 2: so where are you guys thoughts?
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Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to ask Josh, like, what what do
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Speaker 1: you expecting to see from him? What are you looking?
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Speaker 1: Say you're Jared Jones's manager or just someone who's you know,
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Speaker 1: setting expectations. What do you expect to see from a
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Speaker 1: guy who's making his first outing post? Uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: a surgery. It wasn't Tommy John, but it was what's
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Speaker 1: it called the something brace that they had inserted. But
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Speaker 1: what What are you looking to see from him in
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Speaker 1: his first start?
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Speaker 4: Josh uh, You definitely want to see how low stress
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Speaker 4: you can keep it as far as clean innings. You know,
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Speaker 4: obviously there's gonna be some excitement. You know, a guy
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Speaker 4: that you said hasn't touched the mound in PNC since
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Speaker 4: twenty four You know, there's gonna be you know, some excitement.
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Speaker 4: He's gonna be ready to take the ball and throw
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Speaker 4: a million miles an hour, which that's all adrenaline. You
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Speaker 4: expect that, you expect to be out there and being
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Speaker 4: a bulldog that you expect him to be. But you
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Speaker 4: want him to be clean as far as you know,
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Speaker 4: mechanically coming off an injury. But you also want him
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Speaker 4: to attack the zone and you want him to have
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Speaker 4: a feel for the zone right away because obviously it's
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Speaker 4: been you know, two years, and this is gonna be
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Speaker 4: his first test in the big leagues, not only with
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Speaker 4: you know, coming off of injury like that, but new
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Speaker 4: rules with the abs and everything. You know, there's so
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Speaker 4: many more things that are gonna be you know, thrown
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Speaker 4: to him the first time in it, in this real situation.
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Speaker 4: So it's gonna be about clean innings. You know, attacking
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Speaker 4: the zone and just trying to keep it as you know,
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Speaker 4: low stress as possible, especially in a time where you
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Speaker 4: know this team needs a little pick me up and
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Speaker 4: not saying that you want him to go out there
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Speaker 4: and say, hey, we need you to give us eight shutty,
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Speaker 4: go out there, throw some clean innings, you know, get
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Speaker 4: the fans you know, excited to see you. But uh,
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Speaker 4: you know, keep your composure. And it's it's easier said
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Speaker 4: than done, because you know, coming from a guy that
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Speaker 4: spent you know, more than one time on the injured list,
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Speaker 4: I know what it's like, you know, to have to
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Speaker 4: spend you know, an extend amount of time on an
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Speaker 4: injured list, and you know you're eager to get back
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Speaker 4: and play, and uh, you know that the guys are
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Speaker 4: ready for you to get back. So it's just about say, hey, man,
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Speaker 4: stay with you yourself.
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Speaker 5: You don't have to go out.
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Speaker 4: There and throw a complete game, have fun, and you know,
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Speaker 4: be as clean as possible.
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Speaker 1: Before we wrap this segment up, I just want to
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Carbon Macgensky. I agree with
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Speaker 1: what Mark said. The Pirates Bullpen is in a much
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Speaker 1: much better place with Carmen Magenski to the point where
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Speaker 1: it's like, if they have a lead after six innings,
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Speaker 1: I'd just give him the ball for the seventh and
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Speaker 1: the eighth. Even after five, I would be comfortable giving
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Speaker 1: him the ball for the sixth and the seventh and
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Speaker 1: maybe the eighth, depending on what the lineup looks like
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Speaker 1: and if they're unless they're like stacking lefties against them.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he is a really, really good relief pitcher,
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Speaker 1: someone who can has proven to be able to throw
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Speaker 1: multiple scoreless innings of relief, and he will make this
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Speaker 1: team better. All that said, I feel for him for
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Speaker 1: this move because it's not necessarily fair. He has not
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Speaker 1: been their worst starting pitcher this year, but not even close.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the Pirates are two and nine and Bubba
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Speaker 1: Chandler starts this year. He leads the National League in walks.
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Speaker 1: He's got an urn around average over five. Now, Bubba
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Speaker 1: obviously a friend of the show. He has way higher
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Speaker 1: of a ceiling. He's younger, and he has the potential
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Speaker 1: to eat innings because he will have less workload restrictions
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Speaker 1: you would assume than Carmen, who's been in the bullpen
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Speaker 1: primarily his whole Major League career and the rest of
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Speaker 1: this rotation who has a lot of injury concerns or whatever.
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Speaker 1: But right now, Bubba's not getting it done. He would
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Speaker 1: even admit that. And I don't think that moving Bubba
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Speaker 1: to the bullpen makes the team better. I think he
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Speaker 1: would be more of of what they already have going correctly.
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Speaker 1: Them is a guy who is kind of overthrowing right
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Speaker 1: now and might be in his head a little bit,
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Speaker 1: and they don't need more of that, So I get why.
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Speaker 1: And you're not gonna option by the chandler right now,
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Speaker 1: so I understand why it is. But this is this
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Speaker 1: is an unfair spot for Carmen. It just is what
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Speaker 1: it is. And for sure that needs to be mentioned.
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Speaker 2: Being demoted, Oh yeah, I done well.
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Speaker 4: And I don't even want to say demoted because he
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Speaker 4: hasn't been demoted. But it's just one of those unfortunate
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Speaker 4: situations that for their team to be better right now,
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Speaker 4: it makes sense for him to be in a pen.
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Speaker 4: And that's not him being demoted. That's just unfortunate that
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Speaker 4: you are the guy that is able to do this,
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Speaker 4: and you know, especially for a guy you know coming
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Speaker 4: into the season where he really made it a point
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Speaker 4: he wanted to be in a rotation and as you said,
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Speaker 4: has not been the worst starter. But when situations like
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Speaker 4: this arise, who is the guy that is most comfortable
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Speaker 4: going back to that role and who makes our team better? Especially,
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Speaker 4: I think it's different if the bullpen is you know,
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Speaker 4: lights out or pitching, well, they may be reevaluate, you know,
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Speaker 4: but knowing that that is an area of need, this
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Speaker 4: is a guy that really feels that area of need.
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know, you do feel
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Speaker 4: for the guy you know that wanted to be a
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Speaker 4: starting picture, that has deserved that right. But you know,
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Speaker 4: in the grand scheme of things, you know, that's just
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Speaker 4: the nature of the game. Sometimes guys are dealt unfortunate
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Speaker 4: situations and you know, it's how you make the most
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Speaker 4: of it. And you know, I expect Carman to go
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Speaker 4: out there and you know, as you said, take the
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Speaker 4: ball sometimes sixth, seventh and eighth, and you know it's
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Speaker 4: could be an opportunity that you know, you don't want
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Speaker 4: to speak on it, but who knows what the future
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Speaker 4: holds for him. He's really you know, forcing their hands
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Speaker 4: for you know, future roles. But definitely a situation where
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Speaker 4: you know what you're just a guy that feels this
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Speaker 4: need for us and it's not a demotion, but it
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Speaker 4: can feel like that just because you know, he doesn't
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Speaker 4: know when he's taking the ball.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think all of us can relate, or everyone
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Speaker 1: watching this can relate to a situation where you get
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Speaker 1: asked to do extra stuff at work, things that you
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Speaker 1: no longer should have to do, but because you're competent
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Speaker 1: at your job, your bosses are like, look, we know
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Speaker 1: it's not fair. Yep, we know this is you're it's
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Speaker 1: beneath your pay grade, but you can do it better
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Speaker 1: than anyone else. We need you to do it. And
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Speaker 1: I think there is a lot to be said about
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Speaker 1: people who just you know, they don't have to be
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Speaker 1: happy about it, but they roll up their sleeves and
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Speaker 1: they get it done.
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Speaker 8: YEA.
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Speaker 1: What people can't relate to is being asked to do
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Speaker 1: this right before they're heading into arbitration. But that's where
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Speaker 1: we'll leave it then. So, yeah, that's unfortunate for him,
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Speaker 1: and I hope to see Carmon get another opportunity to
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Speaker 1: get back in this starting rotation because candidly, yeah, he's
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Speaker 1: proven to be one of their best five starters. Right,
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Speaker 1: right now, not long term, but right now he is
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Speaker 1: one of their best starts.
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Speaker 2: In twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty twenty six through May twenty ninth, he
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Speaker 1: is one of their best five starting pitchers. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take another break. Then when we
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Speaker 1: come back, we close off the show with Josh's weekly segment.
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Speaker 1: Jay hay Now.
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Speaker 3: What do you say, Oh yeah, j Hay, Now word
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Speaker 4: Man, that's a nice little promo video. But on another note,
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Speaker 4: on it's Jay Now we're gonna get a little serious,
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Speaker 4: nothing too sappy, but some have noticed that just happened.
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Speaker 4: Obviously want to highlight KG kind of griffin with you know,
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Speaker 4: the day to day you know, precautions been taken out
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Speaker 4: more anything, and yes, this is just more highlighting that.
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Speaker 4: But also on a bigger note, a little bit of
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Speaker 4: the injury bug. We spoke a little bit on it
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Speaker 4: with O her and being down. Some guys have stepped
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Speaker 4: up and then obviously the news of KG today and
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Speaker 4: then I think during the game, Nick Gonzales might have
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Speaker 4: filed a ball off his foot one of those things.
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Speaker 4: And just obviously going off of what we've talked about
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Speaker 4: with the serious split tread and water that and kind
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Speaker 4: of you know, hanging in there. This this is another
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Speaker 4: testament of you know, one hundred and sixty two and
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Speaker 4: really going to test their death. So this j now
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Speaker 4: segment is you know, testing that depth obviously with the
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Speaker 4: wave of you know injuries and you know aches and
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Speaker 4: things that are going on that you know they gotta
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Speaker 4: make some adjustments with obviously Callahan being brought up and
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Speaker 4: being put right into the lineup or finding his way
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Speaker 4: into the lineup. That right there, you know, just you know,
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Speaker 4: set off a little bit of radar saying, you know,
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Speaker 4: the depth is being tested a lot earlier and a
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Speaker 4: lot more than they probably anticipated. But just knowing that,
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Speaker 4: as I say, you gotta have guys to step up
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Speaker 4: and Callahan I think today had a double. But there's
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Speaker 4: gonna be you know, obviously with this day to day
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Speaker 4: with KG until they really get it figured out or
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Speaker 4: whatever the case may be, you gotta have some guys
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Speaker 4: step up. And it's one sixty two, next man up,
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Speaker 4: But hold the line and get our guys back. So
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Speaker 4: that was something I've notice to me is that said
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Speaker 4: Baseball's gonna happen, and you know you don't want to
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Speaker 4: speak on it, but at some point injuries you don't
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Speaker 4: want to say they are gonna pile up, but you're
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Speaker 4: gonna have guys coming in and out and you know
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Speaker 4: you're gonna be tested and they're being tested.
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Speaker 1: And I'll just say this, I mean, Connor Griffin is
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Speaker 1: just not a player they can afford to lose right now.
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Speaker 4: Oh no, I mean and I did forget to add
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Speaker 4: on like with him and Oharn, like key players, not just.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be my point exactly. The injury bug
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Speaker 2: is the positions that they can't lose, where yeah, you're
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Speaker 2: talking about shortstop. Coming into this year, they couldn't last
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Speaker 2: five games or six games without Connor Griffin before they
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Speaker 2: had to call him up because they realized how much
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Speaker 2: this team needs Connor Griffin on it. And same thing
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Speaker 2: with Ryan o'hearna. I mean, he is just such an
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Speaker 2: impact and so you can see like this offense hasn't
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Speaker 2: been as much in like in tune with him gone,
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Speaker 2: and even to start the year with Jared Triello where
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Speaker 2: we're like third base is the biggest hole on this roster,
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Speaker 2: and of course the first guy that gets injured is
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Speaker 2: the primary third base, so it has been tough from that,
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Speaker 2: I mean, at least we haven't had any pitching injuries.
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Speaker 2: Knock on wood.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I cannot believe he just said, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, and those are gonna happen regardless if
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Speaker 2: I say it, you know, but uh yeah. It's the
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Speaker 2: biggest takeaway has just been how tough the injuries have been.
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Speaker 2: Luckily they haven't been too seas. It seems like ohearen's
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Speaker 2: trending back. He's going to come back quicker than the
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Speaker 2: four weeks they anticipated he might be out, and doesn't
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Speaker 2: seem like Connor's too long day to day, it seems like,
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Speaker 2: and same with Nick Zales day to day, so bad
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Speaker 2: day to record and discuss injuries. It seems like we
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Speaker 2: might have just caught a little gap here. But Noah,
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Speaker 2: the guy who shared the news that of Connor's injury
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Speaker 2: with all this Pirates fans were your thoughts on this?
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Speaker 1: Not much? I mean, right now, it's from my understanding,
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Speaker 1: it seemed like things are more cautionary than anything, which
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Speaker 1: is a good sign. But I mean, you know the
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Speaker 1: fact that they have to run tests, the fact that
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Speaker 1: he's not playing is a concern, Like you want your
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Speaker 1: guy out there, and like I said, I mean, this
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Speaker 1: guy was trending to be like a four win player. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you need those, You need those that You need
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Speaker 1: those in the infield. You need that guy at shortstop.
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Speaker 1: You need a guy who's gonna steal you know, bases
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Speaker 1: when he gets on. You need someone who is starting
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Speaker 1: to get more at bats in the top third of
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Speaker 1: the lineup. That's that's a player that's not just a
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Speaker 1: player the Pirates can't afford to lose. No one can
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Speaker 1: afford to lose a Yeah, like that's you take away
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Speaker 1: any team starting shortstop, they're a worse team. That's just
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Speaker 1: how it goes. So I mean, in the fact that
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Speaker 1: this team really only has one shortstop. I know, we
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Speaker 1: talk about how good of a defender Jared Triolo is.
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Speaker 1: He's not that good of a defender at short He
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Speaker 1: just isn't. I mean, he's better than what they have
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Speaker 1: to work with. And if Gonzalez is down too, then
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Speaker 1: they really just don't have anyone else who can even
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Speaker 1: play that position right now. So yeah, it's a concern.
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Speaker 1: And again we're talking under the presumption that like this
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Speaker 1: is bad, there's a good chance that this isn't And
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Speaker 1: you know that the IL isn't an option right now.
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Speaker 1: So uh, it's day to day, and you know it
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Speaker 1: might be something simple where it's like maybe they d
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Speaker 1: h him for a couple of days, just because you know,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like throwing like the only issue here if
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Speaker 1: it's forearmed, Like I don't think a swing would be
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Speaker 1: impacted by that, So you know, maybe rest up and
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Speaker 1: if he's good to go, he's good to go. If
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Speaker 1: he's not, yeah, that's the problem. I don't I don't
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Speaker 1: know what you would do. I mean, like, as I said,
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Speaker 1: you really only have one shortstop right now if Gonzalez
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Speaker 1: is also injured because he was moved from the game
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Speaker 1: on Thursday. So it's scary for Pirates fans, it's no doubt.
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Speaker 1: And you know, just as someone who's again Connor friend
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Speaker 1: of the show, had a lot of good conversations with him.
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Speaker 1: He was really putting it together. He had a really
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Speaker 1: good month of May. I'd hate to see him sidelined
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Speaker 1: and you know, put on ice that sucks. So hopefully
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Speaker 1: he's okay. All right, guys. Before I issue any final thoughts,
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Speaker 1: any final thoughts before we wrap it up?
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Speaker 8: Ah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got one for sure. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you guys listening. Uh had a chance to read Noah's
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Speaker 2: column today. Uh, we're recording this Thursday night. Uh, but
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Speaker 2: make sure you get that one to read. He discusses
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Speaker 2: a diehard Buckos fan who's dealing with terminal cancer. Right now,
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Speaker 2: Mike's going to be thrown out the first pitch on Friday,
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Speaker 2: the night that this releases, So very cool for the
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Speaker 2: Pirates to you know, give him that opportunity. This is
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Speaker 2: a guy who proposed at P and C Park, had
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Speaker 2: his wedding at like the Renaissance Hotel right across the street.
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Speaker 2: A guy who uses the Pirates as an escape. You know,
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of us do, and just kind
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Speaker 2: of highlight that beauty of sports that it allows us,
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Speaker 2: you know, a reprieve from all the tough stuff going
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Speaker 2: on in life, even if it's a little tough when
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Speaker 2: we watch sometimes. So just make sure to give that
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Speaker 2: article a read. It you did a really phenomenal job
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Speaker 2: covering that. That's not an easy topic to write about.
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Speaker 2: But I'm really glad that you highlighted that for Mike
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Speaker 2: and his family. And so if you're listening to this
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Speaker 2: and the twenty eighth something minute, make sure you go
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Speaker 2: give that read. It's well worth your time. Any final thoughts, Josh, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: following that up.
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Speaker 4: No, No, I think you hit it, you know, hit
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Speaker 4: the nail on the head. Go give that a read.
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Speaker 4: I think everybody that does will definitely you know, be
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Speaker 4: grateful that they read it.
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Speaker 1: Yet, Yeah, I just want to think Mike and his
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Speaker 1: family that was that was a really empowering story to
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Speaker 1: tell just some context real quick. I mean, not only
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Speaker 1: does this guy have incurable cancer, he lost his mom
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Speaker 1: and two siblings to cancer due to a rare genetic disorder.
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Speaker 1: So his family's been through hell from this disease. But
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Speaker 1: baseball has been something he's leaned on during some incredibly
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Speaker 1: dark times and it kind of puts life in perspective
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Speaker 1: a little bit. And it also kind of explains why
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Speaker 1: we all love this game. I mean, some of us
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Speaker 1: get to play it longer than others, some of us
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Speaker 1: get to cover it, and some of us get to
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Speaker 1: just post a million Twitter clips about it. But at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, like we all love this
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Speaker 1: sport for something that's way bigger than all of us,
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Speaker 1: and it's because it's in a great game that connects
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Speaker 1: people and gives your reason to sit down on a
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Speaker 1: for nine months out of the year. You have an escape,
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Speaker 1: and that's why baseball is the best. So for Platinum
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