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Ask Greg Cosell on Patreon: Who's The Best, Athletic Day 2 OL For The Eagles? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The following is a shortened version of our Ask Greg
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  Speaker 2: Hey Frank, how are you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing well, my friends. So I had a question
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  Speaker 3: for you as about It's about Edge Rusher, and I
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  Speaker 3: just wanted your takes on like these three players and
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  Speaker 3: if you could tell me what you think on these
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  Speaker 3: guys like Romelo Height, I know he's really undersized, Joshua
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  Speaker 3: Joseph's and Keyran Crawford.
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  Speaker 2: Well, to me, the most interesting because he didn't play
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  Speaker 2: football until a senior season in high school and he's
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  Speaker 2: bigger than the other guys is Keyron Crawford from Auburn.
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  Speaker 2: He's over sixty four, he's two fifty three, so you'd
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  Speaker 2: have to assume you could probably get him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: closer to two sixty. I think his tape was was
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  Speaker 2: pretty good. I mean, I think at times he looks
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  Speaker 2: sudden and explosive. The question is do they see him?
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  Speaker 2: You know, obviously their base front is a five to two,
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  Speaker 2: but you can certainly rush the quarterback off the edge
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  Speaker 2: if you're two fifty five to two sixty. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think that this guy to me, And again, the
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  Speaker 2: main thing about the draft, and I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people lose sight of this, is it's not just
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  Speaker 2: what a player is now, particularly as you get later
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  Speaker 2: in the draft. You know, if you're drafting guy in
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  Speaker 2: the third round, you know, look would be wonderful if
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  Speaker 2: if he you know, contributes as a rookie.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you love him to do.
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  Speaker 2: So it's third round, it's not fifth or sixth round.
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  Speaker 2: But you also and I've had this guy. I had
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  Speaker 2: this conversation with a former GM this week about the
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  Speaker 2: balance between what a player is now and what you
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  Speaker 2: think he can become. And I think that's an important conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And because fans, particularly on either bad teams or teams
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  Speaker 2: that have a defined weakness like the Eagles. Franket at
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  Speaker 2: edge pass rusher. You know fans want them to draft
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  Speaker 2: a guy who can step right in and be a
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  Speaker 2: great pass rusher. Well, that's not likely to happen. But
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  Speaker 2: to me, of the three you mentioned, I like what
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  Speaker 2: Crawford can become the most of those three guys.
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  Speaker 5: Quick quick question the offensive guard. I know that's not
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  Speaker 5: normally your first round pick, but your thoughts on someone
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  Speaker 5: in the second that we're third round, someone named Eagles
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  Speaker 5: might be might be good for the Eagles, someone athletic.
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  Speaker 2: Look, Jurgens is supposedly healthy. Now they sign him to
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  Speaker 2: a contract, He's not going anywhere. He's going to be
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  Speaker 2: the center. Dickerson is an interesting chase because you know,
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  Speaker 2: his body is just unfortunately kind of falling apart, and
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  Speaker 2: and with his injuries, he's not likely to ever be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in a sense, perfectly normal. So left guard,
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  Speaker 2: you know, could be a position I you know, again,
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea where guys are going to get drafted.
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  Speaker 2: I don't make up mock drafts like everybody else does.
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  Speaker 2: There's a there's a couple of left guards that I
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  Speaker 2: think are really good prospects. Whether they're there when the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles draft either you know, whether they see them as
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  Speaker 2: first round players or whether they're in the second round.
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  Speaker 2: There's a kid I really like from Georgia Tech, nic
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  Speaker 2: Keelan Rutledge, who you know, again could well be there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. There's Chase Basantis
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  Speaker 2: from Texas A and M. Because I think the Penn
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  Speaker 2: State guard will probably be gone, and you know, he
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  Speaker 2: seems to be the one that everybody is focused on
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  Speaker 2: as being, you know, a relatively high pick for a guard.
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  Speaker 2: But Reutlaive was a guy. The more I watched him,
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  Speaker 2: the more I really really liked him.
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  Speaker 4: When you're evaluating players, you have to or I shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: say it that, like, how do you if you do
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  Speaker 4: evaluate the player based on the talent level their facing.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously you would much prefer to see players against really
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  Speaker 2: good opponents. You know, when you're watching let's say an
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  Speaker 2: offensive tackle, you'd love to see them against you know,
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  Speaker 2: quality pass rushers as opposed to nothing against McNee State.
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  Speaker 2: But you brought it up. You know you'd rather see that.
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  Speaker 2: But then you also do have to look at at
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  Speaker 2: their traits and attributes, and then you do have to
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  Speaker 2: make a subjective call. And that's where it's no matter
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  Speaker 2: what metrics people use, it still comes down to human beings.
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  Speaker 2: Evaluating human beings. You have to make a subjective call
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  Speaker 2: as to whether you you think those traits are translatable
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  Speaker 2: to the next level. You know, then it becomes a
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  Speaker 2: projection and a transition, because that's ultimately what we're doing.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 2: That's why when people immediately start out, you know, so
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  Speaker 2: called draft gurus, and they tell you what a guy's
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  Speaker 2: stats are in college, that immediately tells me they're probably
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  Speaker 2: not studying tape in great detail. Because stats, it's not
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  Speaker 2: that they're meaningless mark, but they're not. That's not ultimately
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  Speaker 2: what you're what you're evaluating.
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  Speaker 6: Earlier this week, some guys I follow on Twitter brought
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  Speaker 6: up a name of quarterback Haines King. But I was wondering,
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  Speaker 6: what what did his tape look like when you when
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  Speaker 6: you watched it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's well, he's a fun player to watch because
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  Speaker 2: he's he's he's a dual threat guy all the way
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  Speaker 2: and you can just see the competitiveness and toughness. I
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  Speaker 2: know people who know him well, and he is all football.
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  Speaker 2: He just lives it and breathes it. People say the
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  Speaker 2: work ethic, just the the competitiveness, and the guy is
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  Speaker 2: just off the charts. So the main thing with King,
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, while he can run and is
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  Speaker 2: and is definitely dual threat, he's not a guy that
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  Speaker 2: it looks to just run out of the pocket. Most
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  Speaker 2: of his runs, the high percentage of his runs or
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  Speaker 2: design runs. He only had about twenty scrambles this year.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't just look to leave the pocket. The main
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  Speaker 2: thing with him is can you get him to be
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  Speaker 2: a better thrower. He's he's definitely got limitations from an
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  Speaker 2: arm strength perspective, and again, arm strength isn't to be
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  Speaker 2: all end all. You don't have to have a gun,
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  Speaker 2: but there are certain things you have to be able
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  Speaker 2: to do. You know. But the more you watch him,
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  Speaker 2: he's one of those guys, well, the more you watch him,
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  Speaker 2: the more you like him.
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  Speaker 5: I asked the question simply about we'll say, like the
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  Speaker 5: Jelix Hunt rounds of potential players.
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  Speaker 4: Specifically, I'm looking at one guy, Jason Thomas. He's probably
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  Speaker 4: third rounder.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's probably accurate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, now see here's a perfect example getting back
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  Speaker 2: to edge rushers, which is what he is. But he's
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  Speaker 2: six to two and a quarter and he's two forty one.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's got juice. I mean, you know, but you
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  Speaker 2: have to keep in mind guys like that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be trying to win against guys that
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  Speaker 2: weigh seventy eighty pounds. More So, the question with someone
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  Speaker 2: like Thomas, because he does have juice off the edge
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  Speaker 2: without question, but can he win with power as part
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  Speaker 2: of his edge rush toolbox? You know, that's the question.
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  Speaker 2: So guys like that have to be really effective with
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  Speaker 2: their hand usage because they have to work through contact
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  Speaker 2: at the NFL level. They're not just going to run
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  Speaker 2: around left tackles or right to whatever wherever we line.
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  Speaker 2: I'm up, he lines up on both sides. But you
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  Speaker 2: know he's he's definitely a good player. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: thought he did even though his arm length isn't great.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he used his arm extension effectively. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he knew how to use his arms just like Ruben
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  Speaker 2: Bain does. He's not Ruben Bain, but I mean he
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  Speaker 2: knows how to use his arm length even though it's
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  Speaker 2: not long. So there's something there with him. And because
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  Speaker 2: he does have juice and explosive burst off the ball,
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  Speaker 2: he'll be an interesting guy.
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  Speaker 8: So I kind of had a question about like critical
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  Speaker 8: factors when you're evaluating players. When did you like learn
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  Speaker 8: like what specific critical factors are like, like, for you're
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  Speaker 8: a quarterback guy, so when it comes to quarterbacks, I'm
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  Speaker 8: assuming like plam is a critical factor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah no, No, that was an overtime kind of thing, Eddie,
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  Speaker 2: Like I didn't just you know there, you could go
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  Speaker 2: online and look that stuff up and there'd be lists
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  Speaker 2: of critical factors. I mean that's the way a lot
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  Speaker 2: of scouts, Like if you go back to the old
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  Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys when they had you know, Gil Brand tech Shram,
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  Speaker 2: they came up with this list of critical factors for
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  Speaker 2: every position, and a lot of coaches rely on that.
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  Speaker 2: Nick Saban relied on that, you know, through much of
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  Speaker 2: his career. There are certain critical factors at every position.
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  Speaker 2: So I've sort of learned that just over time. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's I didn't. I don't have a list you know
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  Speaker 2: that that I look at and go, oh, quarterback, Well,
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  Speaker 2: he's got to throw it accurate. I mean, I've been
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  Speaker 2: doing this a long time now, so a lot of
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  Speaker 2: that stuff's just ingrained in my head when I watch
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  Speaker 2: you know, players like you know, you're just talking about
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  Speaker 2: a pass rusher. And I've been fortunate enough to go
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  Speaker 2: to an event called a Line Masterminds and you talk
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  Speaker 2: to offensive linemen and they tell you, you know, what
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  Speaker 2: gives them trouble. They tell you what guys have to
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  Speaker 2: do to be able to win as pass rushers. So
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  Speaker 2: then you learn, okay, well, if guys can't do what
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  Speaker 2: they're telling me, then they're not going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to rest the quarterback really well. So it's just accumulated
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  Speaker 2: over time. So when I watch I don't have to
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  Speaker 2: sit here and say, oh, I'm looking at this guy,
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  Speaker 2: gee can he do that? It just it's just in
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  Speaker 2: my head, you know, Just like sometimes people ask me
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  Speaker 2: when I watch the NFL. They'll say, well, like, what
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  Speaker 2: do you look at first when you watch a play?
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  Speaker 2: And I can't answer that. I just see things, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's just I just see it now. I go back
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  Speaker 2: and see each play, you know, more than one time,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but I just you know, it's not like
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  Speaker 2: I say, Okay, i'm looking at this play, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to look at the coverage first, or I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: look at this first. It just I just see it.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, Greg, you know, I just wanted to ask you
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  Speaker 5: to get your thoughts on a dermad McCoy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I do. I'm so happy I did him last
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  Speaker 2: summer in detail, because then I didn't have to do
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  Speaker 2: him again because he didn't play this year. Now, he
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  Speaker 2: played a lot of press last year. Now it's not
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  Speaker 2: it's not that he can only play press. I thought
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  Speaker 2: he played zone well in addition to playing press. But
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was really good in what we call
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  Speaker 2: mirror match press, where you just sort of get in
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  Speaker 2: the hip pocket of the receiver based on his release.
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  Speaker 2: He was also physical. I mean he's long, he's six'.
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  Speaker 2: One you, KNOW i like the. PLAYER i, MEAN i
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  Speaker 2: think he's an easy. MOVER i happen to. Like you,
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  Speaker 2: know maybe it's just sort of more recency, biased BUT
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  Speaker 2: i like delaying a little. More but McCoy is certainly
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  Speaker 2: a really good, prospect AND i think he can play.
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  Speaker 2: MAN i think he can play. ZONE i, mean, yeah
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  Speaker 2: in many, ways he's a Good he's a good fit
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  Speaker 2: in almost any system because he can do.
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  Speaker 7: BOTH i, know sometimes you have certain players you like to.
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  Speaker 7: Like for, Example Ed rusher spin. Move if you were
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  Speaker 7: to bring out some, tape you'd probably Show, freeenye, Right
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  Speaker 7: Dwight freeney one of the best.
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  Speaker 2: Spin greatest spin move, guy which and that's a counter
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  Speaker 2: a spin moves a counter, right?
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  Speaker 7: Right is there someone that you think has always had
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  Speaker 7: elite hand usage that you were just talking out as
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  Speaker 7: an edge.
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  Speaker 2: RUSHER i Think Nick bosa has really good hand. Usages
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  Speaker 2: Nick bosa is a master at initiating and then playing
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  Speaker 2: off contact with his. Hands and there's different ways to
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  Speaker 2: use your. Hands not everybody does the same. Thing you,
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  Speaker 2: know there's all kinds of. Moves there's there's, rips there's,
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  Speaker 2: swipes there's you, know there's there's multiple different ways to do.
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  Speaker 2: It and but you, KNOW i think someone Like Nick
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  Speaker 2: bosa is really really good at. That he'd be one
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  Speaker 2: of the first guys that comes to my. Mind Miles
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  Speaker 2: garrett's a little different cat because he's just so big
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  Speaker 2: and so. Strong you, know he's two hundred and seventy,
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  Speaker 2: five two hundred eighty. POUNDS i, mean he's just a
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  Speaker 2: big dude who's so. Powerful