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Credlin | 6 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James Morrow,
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Speaker 2: filling in tonight for Peter Kredlin. Coming up on the show,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi fires the starter's pistol on the unofficial election campaign,
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Speaker 2: heading north to splash the cash as he tries to
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Speaker 2: win over voters. Plus another anti semitic attack rock Sydney's
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Speaker 2: eastern suburbs as the mere presence of an Israeli team
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Speaker 2: prompts the cancelation of a major sporting event. Tell you what,
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Speaker 2: how's our social cohesion going? And for all Labour's cost
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Speaker 2: of living relief measures, a meaningful recovery in Australia's living
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Speaker 2: standards remains at least five years away. More on that
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Speaker 2: later on in the program. But first new year, new
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Speaker 2: election season, Anthony Albanesi has not yet gone to Yarra
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Speaker 2: Lamola to ask the Governor General to issue she writs
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Speaker 2: for an election, but boy, I'll tell you what it
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Speaker 2: sure feels like. The campaign season is already underway now.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was in Queensland earlier today, splashing the
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Speaker 2: cash and leaving us in no doubt that he was
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Speaker 2: more than willing to put another term for labor on
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Speaker 2: the national credit card.
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Speaker 3: The two thousand and twenty five election will be a
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Speaker 3: clear choice labor building Australia's future, or a coalition determined
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Speaker 3: to return Australia backwards and costing more under Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 3: And that's the choice that Australians will have where a
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Speaker 3: government that wants to invest to assist all Australians. Today's
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Speaker 3: announcement of seven point two billion dollars of additional funding
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Speaker 3: for the Bruce Highway will save lives. It brings the
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Speaker 3: Australian government contribution up to seventeen billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: Well, I suppose that's great for people who use that
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Speaker 2: very important highway. And I also have to wonder how
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Speaker 2: many of those infrastructure projects Labor acted back in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three, which include plenty of other very necessary highway
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Speaker 2: upgrades to carriage ways like the Wakers Parkway in Sydney,
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Speaker 2: might also be quietly reannounced or reworked. Stay tuned. But
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, though, that little bit we just
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Speaker 2: saw that wasn't my favorite part of the press conference.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no no.
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Speaker 2: I think the much more interesting and indeed telling bit
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Speaker 2: was this when Anthony Albinizi, who has a glass jaw
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Speaker 2: made of the most extravagantly cut crystal, got snippy with
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Speaker 2: the reporter who asked a fairly simple question.
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Speaker 1: I mean, see, you think the slag can build back
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Speaker 1: the debt?
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Speaker 2: Did you pinched that from present Jiba?
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Speaker 1: We're not.
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Speaker 3: That's not as slogan.
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Speaker 1: Good try, is there?
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Speaker 4: One was slogan one sentence slogan we would use.
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Speaker 3: I mean we're using We've done this with backdrops, We've
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Speaker 3: done this with media releases.
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Speaker 1: I did this today again.
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Speaker 3: It is building Australia's future is our slogan.
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Speaker 1: If you like, it's been there.
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Speaker 3: We've done a launch in Adelaide and then another launch
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Speaker 3: here in Brisbane where we launched our child care policy.
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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure which LMP member has sent you
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Speaker 3: that question to ask, but they should pay attention and
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Speaker 3: you should be cautious about just reading out things that
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Speaker 3: are sent from the LMP.
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Speaker 2: Well, he just seemed really happy there, and there was
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Speaker 2: a lot to unpack in that little answer.
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Speaker 1: First of all, let's do what they love to call
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Speaker 1: a fact.
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Speaker 2: Check on the Prime minister and Prime Minister I'm sorry
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Speaker 2: to tell you, but your government does use the phrase
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Speaker 2: build back better. Here's the press release your own Minister
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Speaker 2: Catherine King, who is there today out about this spending
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Speaker 2: or sorry sorry sorry sorry investment announcement, And here's what
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Speaker 2: it says.
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Speaker 1: Quote.
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Speaker 2: There will also be a focus on resealing and rehabilitating
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Speaker 2: road services for resilience to quote build back better their quotes,
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Speaker 2: thereby mitigating damage from increasing weather events unquote. So there
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Speaker 2: you have it. But more to the point, we are
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Speaker 2: also very very very early in this campaign. Again, it
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Speaker 2: hasn't yet even been called, and yet already Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 2: is getting snippy with journalists. Now, this is a recurring
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Speaker 2: theme with this Prime Minister, and in fact he's even
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Speaker 2: called me personally out on the floor of Parliament for
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Speaker 2: asking questions he doesn't like. And it's a habit that
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Speaker 2: I think personally bespeaks a relentless paranoia that everyone is
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Speaker 2: out to get him and that if a he gets
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Speaker 2: a tough question, well, no journalists, no honest journalists, would
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Speaker 2: come up with one.
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Speaker 1: No no, no, no no.
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Speaker 2: The tough questions only come because they were planted there
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Speaker 2: by those dastardly liberals. Texting them whatsapping they're friendlies in
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Speaker 2: the press pack. Now, at that same press conference, Albanese
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Speaker 2: he was careful not to be drawn on when the
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Speaker 2: nation would go to an election.
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Speaker 3: And are you planning, Ibro, I'm planning a twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: five election. And during the twenty twenty five election, I'll
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Speaker 3: continue from I'll give you the big tip. I'm not
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Speaker 3: going to the Governor General this Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Well fine, but if you ask me Anthony Albanese he
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Speaker 2: is going to call an election sooner rather than later.
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Speaker 1: Why?
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Speaker 2: Well, the answer is really simple. There is just no
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Speaker 2: good news on the horizon for this government to run
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Speaker 2: off of. And if you look at a trend of
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Speaker 2: the polls, the story is one of a slow but
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Speaker 2: steady loss of altitude. This aggregate of polls, put together
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Speaker 2: by the pole Blodger website, tells you what's going on.
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Speaker 2: A slow and steady loss of support for Anthony Albanesi
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Speaker 2: and Labor and a slow but steady building of support
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Speaker 2: for Peter Dutton and the coalition. Now pressures around cost
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Speaker 2: of living, social cohesion, a general feeling that the country
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Speaker 2: is drifting rudderless under Anthony ALBANIZI have all contributed to
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Speaker 2: this per capita GDP, as you will know, has been
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Speaker 2: sliding backwards for quarter after quarter. The overall economy is
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Speaker 2: only propped up by immigration. Pretty much all the growth
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Speaker 2: and employment these days has been through the public sector
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Speaker 2: and through the NDIS. Interest rates remain stubbornly high, and
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Speaker 2: the Aussie dollar is in the toilet now. In recent weeks,
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Speaker 2: it's been conventional wisdom to say that, well, labor will
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Speaker 2: win the election, but the hold of minority government. So
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Speaker 2: labor win, but minority they've got to do some deals.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Every week that goes by here,
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Speaker 2: I'm less and less convinced. And a little later in
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Speaker 2: the show, a pollster is going to join me to
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Speaker 2: tell us how the coalition might actually wind up doing
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Speaker 2: better than expected. Yes, even in states like the Socialist
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Speaker 2: Republic of Victoria. And the fact of the matter is
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Speaker 2: that the longer this government goes on, the more voters,
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Speaker 2: the more Australians are going to drift further and further
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Speaker 2: away from labor. That means one thing. All the incentives
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Speaker 2: are there for Anthony Albanezi to go early and certainly
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Speaker 2: to avoid a week of Senate budget estimates in February,
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Speaker 2: to say nothing of having to deal with another grim
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalbernomic's budget. Now my money is the polls we
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Speaker 2: called for April twelve. But for the moment only the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister knows for sure. I'm going to bring in
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Speaker 2: my panel in a moment. But before we get to that,
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Speaker 2: I also want to take a moment to look at
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Speaker 2: what's happening overseas and specifically in the United States, where
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Speaker 2: the clock is ticking down on the Biden Harris administration
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Speaker 2: in all its gaff prone and self destructive glory.
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Speaker 1: Let's check it in on Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: Shall we, who somehow forgot the other day the words
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Speaker 2: of the Pledge of Allegiance when she was at a
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Speaker 2: Senate swearing in ceremony a few days ago, have a
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Speaker 2: look at this.
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Speaker 5: Join me in pledging allegiance to our flag.
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Speaker 1: Pledge allegiance.
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Speaker 5: In the United States of America.
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Speaker 1: Play ball.
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Speaker 2: Look, I'll be honest with you, and to be fair,
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Speaker 2: I said the Pledge of Allegiance every day when I
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Speaker 2: was a kid in school in New York, and honestly,
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Speaker 2: as an adult, I'd also like Kamala, I have trouble
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Speaker 2: remembering the words if I was also for Dole Bourbons deep. Meanwhile, meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: here's Joe Biden, who yesterday called a kid up on
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Speaker 2: the stage to sing him Happy Birthday, but then couldn't
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Speaker 2: remember or pronounce his name.
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Speaker 6: Happy Birthday too, Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday, Birthday.
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Speaker 2: There it's not all fun and games either though, for
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Speaker 2: old Joe. Joe is in no mood to play like
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albinezi with the press. Here he was just hours ago, though,
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Speaker 2: losing it about his age and defending his contacts in
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Speaker 2: something else.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Check this one out.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the oldest president.
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Speaker 7: I know more world leaders than any one of you
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Speaker 7: ever met in your home.
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Speaker 1: Goddamn wife. Yeah, well he knows them, but can he
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Speaker 1: remember their names? I don't know. But I do know this.
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Speaker 2: In the waiting days of the administration of the Biden,
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Speaker 2: or rather his hand who are really running the country,
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Speaker 2: are doing everything they can to stick the middle finger
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Speaker 2: up at Donald Trump and the American people. This has
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Speaker 2: included everything from giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom to
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Speaker 2: the billionaire George Soros, who, as you may know, has
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Speaker 2: poured much of his fortune into electing soft on crime
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Speaker 2: prosecutors and bringing chaos to America's cities to attempting to
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Speaker 2: discover the Trump administration's plan to make America an energy
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Speaker 2: superpower again by signing orders blocking offshore drilling. Well, what
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Speaker 2: can be repealed, or what can be signed can also
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Speaker 2: be repealed.
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Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you.
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Speaker 2: There's going to be a little part of me as
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Speaker 2: they fade off into the sunset that's going to miss
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Speaker 2: the bonker's behavior of these people. But I think that, honestly,
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Speaker 2: I and the free world will be so glad to
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Speaker 2: see Joe and Kamala and the rest of them all
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Speaker 2: right off into the sunset. All right, Well, let's bring
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Speaker 2: in my panel tonight. A dining media is Lisa Goddard,
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Speaker 2: a News Corps senior writer and columnist. Patrick Carlyon. Welcome
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Speaker 2: very much to welcome both to me to the panel here. Lisa,
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Speaker 2: first to you, it's been a real stunning versaonal fortunes
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Speaker 2: for labor over the past weeks and months. What do
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Speaker 2: you think, do they honestly have anything good, any good
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Speaker 2: news out there that they're going to be able to
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Speaker 2: hang their hat on besides just a bunch of spending
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Speaker 2: heading into the.
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Speaker 4: Selection give me a bunch of spending and a whole
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Speaker 4: lot of slogans, James, I think after today, look, I
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Speaker 4: think it's very telling that you found the Prime Minister
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Speaker 4: in Queensland now targeting regional Queensland because they know it's
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Speaker 4: going to be particularly tough for them to try to
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Speaker 4: win those seats when you look at the regional Queensland track,
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Speaker 4: especially when you look at the mining towns, and I
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Speaker 4: know you'll get to that shortly, but.
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Speaker 7: I want to hone in.
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Speaker 1: I know you picked out a certain.
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Speaker 4: Part of that press conference where he challenged the journalist.
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Speaker 4: What I saw in that was there was no sign
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Speaker 4: at all of the Queensland LMP. So David Christoph Fooley
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Speaker 4: is putting out a release today say look we've done
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Speaker 4: what the Labor government here in Queensland couldn't do, which
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Speaker 4: is push the fence to return funding to an eighty
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Speaker 4: twenty split. So nowhere out there did we see the
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Speaker 4: LMP today being given a chance to talk about the
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Speaker 4: Bruce Highway. It was all Albanesi. It was clearly like
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Speaker 4: you said, get ready people, we are now fully in
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Speaker 4: election mode. And if he was Infrastructure Minister and he
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Speaker 4: knew how bad the Bruce Highway was why wasn't he
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Speaker 4: making this announcement at the start of his position as
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister of this country. Forty one people lost their
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Speaker 4: lives on that stretch of road last year. He wasn't
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Speaker 4: making that announcement then, was he?
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Speaker 1: No, that's exactly that's an excellent point too.
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Speaker 2: Now, Patrick, I want to bring you in one of
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Speaker 2: this year too, because we've had a real gearshift following
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Speaker 2: years of the net zero green ideology out of this government.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, I thought this was interesting, is also
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Speaker 2: starting the year touring mining areas. It feels a little
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Speaker 2: bit like you know, Bill Shortened saying one thing in
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Speaker 2: Queens another thing in Victoria back in twenty nineteen. Do
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Speaker 2: you feel a bit of hypocrisy coming on here?
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Speaker 8: Look, it's an easy conclusion, James, isn't it. I went
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Speaker 8: up to the Hunter Valley just before Christmas talk to
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Speaker 8: a lot of mining people there, and the realities on
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Speaker 8: the ground and the attitudes on the ground are so
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Speaker 8: foreign to what you hear from the Labor government. They're miners,
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Speaker 8: they're proud of being miners. They make Australia rich with
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Speaker 8: their coal. It goes overseas and They've been doing it
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Speaker 8: for a long time and they will continue to do
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Speaker 8: it for a long time now. At the same time,
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Speaker 8: they're paying higher power bills, they're not sure about the
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Speaker 8: reliability of power going forward in the under renewables, and
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Speaker 8: they're sick of being demonized by the Labor government. So
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Speaker 8: I'm really interested to see how Albanezy goes on the ground,
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Speaker 8: because you might get a bit of back and forth
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Speaker 8: from punters saying why are you here, You don't represent
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Speaker 8: our interests whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, now, Liza go on to a sort of grimmer
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Speaker 2: topic here. There has been yet another instance of anti
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Speaker 2: Semitic graffiti being found in Sydney in the Eastern Suburbs,
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Speaker 2: this time a car spray painted with an anti Jewish slogan.
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Speaker 2: We'll leave with that. In the Eastern Suburbs, a heavily
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Speaker 2: Jewish area. We've seen other reports of the Ice Hockey
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Speaker 2: Australia canceling the Sports World Championships due to take place
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Speaker 2: in Australia in April and May over fears the mere
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Speaker 2: presence of Israel's team will make it too dangerous for
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Speaker 2: players and fans. Liza, this is just appalling. I mean,
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Speaker 2: on the one hand Anthony Albani, it says, you know,
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Speaker 2: some of the right words condemning these attacks, and that's
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Speaker 2: all good as far as it goes. But it seems
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Speaker 2: like this is a government that also in its foreign
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Speaker 2: policy in particular, seems to do so much to give
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Speaker 2: succor and comfort to people who are not just anti
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Speaker 2: Israel's policies, but anti Israel's people.
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Speaker 4: My question on this one, James, is when police, and
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Speaker 4: you hope that they do find whoever is responsible for
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Speaker 4: this and for the long list of other endalism and
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Speaker 4: other crimes that have happened in the past in October seven,
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Speaker 4: what are they going to charge these people with? So
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Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to see whether it's a graffiti charge,
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Speaker 4: which is what a four hundred and forty dollars fine
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Speaker 4: I think it is, or whether it is racial vilification laws.
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Speaker 4: Are they going to actually step up and actually put
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Speaker 4: the charges in place that should be there where they're
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Speaker 4: facing penalties of up to eleven thousand dollars or potentially
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Speaker 4: up to three years in jail.
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Speaker 7: That's what we're not seeing.
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Speaker 4: There is no deterrent. You're not seeing strong words come
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Speaker 4: out from the government, and you certainly aren't seeing any
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Speaker 4: action being taken the synagogue fire, for example, no one
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Speaker 4: has been charged. What's happening with that investigation?
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Speaker 9: Hm?
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Speaker 1: No, that's just shocking.
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Speaker 2: And Patrick, how are we though at this point now
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Speaker 2: where Australia and the appearance of a nation and supposed
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Speaker 2: close friend Israel at an event in Australia can be
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Speaker 2: so much that it can cause it to be canceled.
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Speaker 2: What is going on with this phrase, which I think
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Speaker 2: is sort of double edged these days social cohesion in
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Speaker 2: this country.
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Speaker 8: I think we've sort of abandoned it, haven't we, James?
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Speaker 8: Ever since October seventh, twenty twenty three, you've seen the
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Speaker 8: Jewish community in Australia let down by the authorities who
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Speaker 8: have not enacted the laws. And I mean, as one
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Speaker 8: of the Jewish leaders said today, this is a pattern.
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Speaker 8: This is a campaign that basically is very hateful. It's
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Speaker 8: about menacing Jewish people in Australia and it's ultimately about
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Speaker 8: eradicating Israel from the Middle East. The lack of leadership
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Speaker 8: on this has actually fueled this campaign all the way through.
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Speaker 8: We saw a little bit last year late last year
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Speaker 8: the words getting a little bit tougher, but it really
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Speaker 8: is too little, too late. This is bad and it's
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Speaker 8: just going to keep getting worse. I fear, Yeah, no,
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Speaker 8: I'm afraid you're right here. Now, what do we want
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Speaker 8: to One of my favorite and possibly your favorite people's
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Speaker 8: here to Kevin Rudd, who certainly loves to have a good,
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Speaker 8: high old time. And it turns out that the former
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister turned Austria in abaster of the United States
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Speaker 8: does love a party at our expense. Apparently he's spent
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Speaker 8: fifteen thousand US dollars and having just come back for
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Speaker 8: the US, that's a lot of dollars in just one
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Speaker 8: day for formal dinners, breakfast and morning teas, and a
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Speaker 8: reception at his Washington, DC residents, bringing the total to
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Speaker 8: one hundred and seventy two thousand dollars for the last
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Speaker 8: financial year. Lisa, do you think this is value for money?
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Speaker 8: Do you think that these sorts of entertainment expenses can
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Speaker 8: actually be excused? Are we being a little unfair to
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Speaker 8: the ambassadent, because after all, he's trying to conduct business
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Speaker 8: for the nation.
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Speaker 4: I think the role of an ambassador is to go
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Speaker 4: out there and make those relationships so you can understand
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Speaker 4: that there is a budget there for entertaining. And look,
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Speaker 4: I was us correspondent for Channel ten for many years
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Speaker 4: and I went to various functions. I know that they
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Speaker 4: have to hold these functions and do that networking. However,
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Speaker 4: it's the type of events that are being held. Do
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Speaker 4: you remember, James back twenty twenty through, I had a
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Speaker 4: back of my head that there's been other news around this,
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Speaker 4: and we often look at the amount of money that's
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Speaker 4: being spent. Twenty twenty three, twenty three thousand dollars spent
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Speaker 4: on a pride party. Remember it was Kevin Rudd who
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Speaker 4: paid four thousand, six hundred dollars for a drag queen
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Speaker 4: to attend another four thousand dollars of balloons. I think
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Speaker 4: that should be greater scrutiny around the type of money
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Speaker 4: that is spent and on what activities. But hey, he's
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Speaker 4: not exactly going to get an invite to Mara Lago,
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Speaker 4: is he? So he has to create his own entertainment. Ah.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm interesting to see who does wind up getting
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Speaker 2: those invitations to mari A Lago?
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Speaker 1: Patrick, what are you reading again? He did? Well? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: And who does Patrick? What do you think are we
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Speaker 2: You know the thing that I found a little curious
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Speaker 2: about the story was that so much of it was
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Speaker 2: redacted in the FOI documents, So we actually don't know
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Speaker 2: a lot of what this money was going on. I
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Speaker 2: guess if it's you know, to deal with, you know,
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Speaker 2: captains of industry and government, that's one thing. But if
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Speaker 2: it is just sort of you know, hey, let's have
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Speaker 2: fun pride parties, I'm a little more skeptical.
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Speaker 8: And look at that money, obviously, isn't it we're entitled
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Speaker 8: to know, and those sorts of redactions. We're entitled to
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Speaker 8: know if it's a twenty dollars bottle of wine that
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Speaker 8: was or a grange hermitage, and we were entitled to
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Speaker 8: know the details and why it was spent.
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Speaker 1: I agree.
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Speaker 8: I don't think the amounts of money being spent are
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Speaker 8: off for charge, certainly in this case. But we are
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Speaker 8: entitled to know the details of how that money has
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Speaker 8: been spent. Yeah, and to see those redactions. The justifications
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Speaker 8: for them almost always nonsense, aren't they.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, they are.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I think we have a real problem
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Speaker 2: in this government. You know, all stropes, but bureaucrats not
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Speaker 2: telling us what they're up to. Patrick Lee is a
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time here on Kredline
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Speaker 2: this evening. Now, what do we want back to the election,
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Speaker 2: because all eyes are going to be on Anthony Albanizi
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Speaker 2: over the coming weeks, with speculation again mounting about when
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Speaker 2: we're going to wind up going to the polls now,
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Speaker 2: as I mentioned, I think sooner than later, but maybe
19:55
Speaker 2: he wants to milk this for as long as he can.
19:58
Speaker 2: For more on this, I'm joined by red Bridge Group
20:00
Speaker 2: Director Cos Samarus Costs. Thank you so much for coming
20:04
Speaker 2: on Credline this evening. Really appreciate it. We've seen Anthony
20:08
Speaker 2: Albanisi and Jim Chalmers in Gimpy today kicking off a
20:11
Speaker 2: tour of Queensland and Wa and talking up the tagline
20:15
Speaker 2: building Australia's Future. What does this tell you about their
20:19
Speaker 2: campaign strategy, costs and what to the point do you
20:22
Speaker 2: think that they are hitting the concerns where Australians are
20:25
Speaker 2: actually worried about things and the things that are going
20:28
Speaker 2: to drive their decision when it comes to polling day.
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Speaker 7: You could see they've done their research so building a
20:35
Speaker 7: better future for Australia, it's effectively what we see right
20:38
Speaker 7: across the country and we talk to voters from in
20:41
Speaker 7: every state and that is that there's a significant hunger
20:45
Speaker 7: out there within the electric to say our political leaders
20:48
Speaker 7: actually embrace policy that he's going to build the country
20:52
Speaker 7: and future proof against what a lot of those think
20:56
Speaker 7: are some pretty serious headwinds. The problem for the government
21:01
Speaker 7: they've spent two and a half years not doing that.
21:04
Speaker 7: So the pitch is right, but they're carrying a lot
21:08
Speaker 7: of baggage, and that baggage might actually make it very
21:10
Speaker 7: hard for him to sell successively in the next say,
21:13
Speaker 7: fourteen weeks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
21:15
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, John Howard always had the friends
21:17
Speaker 2: you can't fatten a pig on market day about these things, and.
21:21
Speaker 1: You know, does that apply here?
21:22
Speaker 2: Did they waste a year with the voice before getting
21:25
Speaker 2: on to the business of the Australian people?
21:27
Speaker 1: Is are we seeing some of that factor in here?
21:29
Speaker 7: There's no doubt about that. I think that referendum when
21:32
Speaker 7: we look back at the first term of this government,
21:37
Speaker 7: whether they are relected or not, that referendu has definitely
21:40
Speaker 7: inflicted some pretty severe political wounds to this government. It
21:46
Speaker 7: was run during a time where I would say that
21:48
Speaker 7: the inflationary crisis was that it's peak in terms of
21:51
Speaker 7: wreaking its damage on our suburban regional voters. And as
21:56
Speaker 7: a result, it's given off for a very strong impression
21:59
Speaker 7: that the Albanesi government's priorities are in the wrong places.
22:05
Speaker 7: That's a very hard brain to shake.
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Speaker 2: And you've done some fascinating research just about where voters
22:10
Speaker 2: are sitting in various seats here and their alignment with
22:13
Speaker 2: their incumbent parties. Tell us what you found in New
22:16
Speaker 2: South Wales and I've some of this particularly surprising in Victoria.
22:21
Speaker 2: There's some surprising good news for the coalition in some
22:23
Speaker 2: of these places.
22:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Look, the I would say theological heartbeat of the country
22:28
Speaker 7: is center right. So we asked voters, you know, from
22:32
Speaker 7: zero to ten, zero being very left wing, ten being
22:36
Speaker 7: very right wing, where do you sit in terms of
22:38
Speaker 7: your beliefs? And most Australians see somewhere in the center
22:42
Speaker 7: to the center right. There are people on the left side,
22:46
Speaker 7: but the majority of seats that Labor holds are center
22:50
Speaker 7: to center right, and the majority of voters perceived the
22:54
Speaker 7: Labor Party as the party that neatly sits in that space.
23:00
Speaker 7: But it's not translating to it's not transferring to support
23:05
Speaker 7: for them on the ground. So of the seventy six
23:09
Speaker 7: seats which neatly fall into that basket, forty four for example,
23:14
Speaker 7: are center to center right that are currently held by
23:15
Speaker 7: Blaby Party. So it's it's perhaps a warning for them
23:20
Speaker 7: that they probably need to really be careful about what
23:23
Speaker 7: they do on the what we will define as socially
23:25
Speaker 7: progressive side of things going forward, because that's not where
23:28
Speaker 7: the country is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:29
Speaker 2: But then at the same time, you know, how would
23:31
Speaker 2: you rate how Peter Dunton is going meeting the market.
23:35
Speaker 2: We haven't in a huge number of policies out of that.
23:36
Speaker 2: We've got nuclear obviously, but Peter dunn is running a
23:40
Speaker 2: very sort of deliberate, I think campaign on this. But
23:43
Speaker 2: do voters have they are they starting to feel like
23:46
Speaker 2: they've got a case to switch their leaders if they've
23:49
Speaker 2: voted for labor the last time? You know, is that
23:52
Speaker 2: change that global change mandate that seems to be sweeping
23:55
Speaker 2: through certainly the English speaking democratic world in Europe as well,
24:00
Speaker 2: is that still active here in what you were seeing
24:03
Speaker 2: in Australia.
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Speaker 7: The last MRP that we did, which was breaking down
24:08
Speaker 7: every federal lecturer in the country in terms of where
24:11
Speaker 7: we think that that federal electoral will land. For the
24:15
Speaker 7: first time, we started to see evidence that out of
24:18
Speaker 7: suburban voters to historically been voting for labor are moving
24:22
Speaker 7: directly over to the coalition. Not huge numbers, but enough
24:25
Speaker 7: to put seats like where Er and MacArthur out of
24:28
Speaker 7: Western City on the block, seats like Hawk and Holt
24:33
Speaker 7: and Isaac's and the Cure in Victoria on the block.
24:38
Speaker 1: These sort of seats that we're talking.
24:39
Speaker 7: About, like Holt for example, I mean, it was historically
24:42
Speaker 7: always been considered a safe labour seat. So there is
24:44
Speaker 7: evidence that this is this is this phenomenon is occurring.
24:48
Speaker 7: Now the question is can he transfer it to actually
24:51
Speaker 7: moving these seats over to his bile because there's so
24:53
Speaker 7: many seats now in these two big states of Missipus
24:56
Speaker 7: and Sorrow that are just up for grabs, but it's
24:59
Speaker 7: unclear who's going to grab them.
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Speaker 2: Finally, because I want to ask you about gender, because
25:03
Speaker 2: this is something that played out very heavily in the recent.
25:06
Speaker 1: Election in the United States.
25:08
Speaker 2: How much are you seeing I know there were some
25:10
Speaker 2: analysis from JWUS recently on this certainly, but what are
25:14
Speaker 2: you seeing in your numbers in your focus groups about
25:18
Speaker 2: the gender issue. Have women moved further to the left
25:22
Speaker 2: in Australia than men? Have men moved to the right
25:25
Speaker 2: like we saw in the United States? Certainly, is this
25:29
Speaker 2: a phenomenon that both parties have to grapple with this
25:32
Speaker 2: gender divide? And how do you wind up pitching a
25:34
Speaker 2: message that can get both genders on board if you know,
25:38
Speaker 2: if they aren't even talking to each other politically.
25:42
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a bit of a nuance heat. So if
25:43
Speaker 7: we're talking about women in the outer suburbs and regions,
25:46
Speaker 7: the most pressing priority right now is the cost of
25:49
Speaker 7: leading crisis, and we find those women not really transfixed
25:55
Speaker 7: on the sort of social issues that I would say
25:57
Speaker 7: that left these preoccupied with professional women in the inner
26:01
Speaker 7: parts of our art cities, particularly in those sort of
26:03
Speaker 7: electrics which the till is one.
26:05
Speaker 1: Yep.
26:05
Speaker 7: Absolutely, they are moving to the left and they are
26:09
Speaker 7: going to be a significant problem for the coalition going forward.
26:13
Speaker 7: But again, so it's about that geographic nuances important.
26:17
Speaker 1: The same applot men.
26:18
Speaker 7: You know, if we go to young men in the
26:20
Speaker 7: inner parts of our dart cities, progressive young men in
26:23
Speaker 7: the outer suburbs and regions, they're more likely to work
26:27
Speaker 7: for someone like Trump, but they just don't have someone
26:28
Speaker 7: like Trump it's available for them to choose from. So
26:31
Speaker 7: they're kind of like floating out there in the ether,
26:33
Speaker 7: not knowing what to do with their boat. So there's
26:36
Speaker 7: a lot of fragmentation going on within amongst the genders.
26:41
Speaker 1: Fascinating, fascinating stuff. Of course.
26:43
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the other week I put on a
26:44
Speaker 2: maga hat war to an inner city shopping center as
26:47
Speaker 2: an experiment. It was the young men who gave you
26:48
Speaker 2: the most thumbs up, So that was an interesting sort
26:50
Speaker 2: of pretty much that gender divide their customers. Thank you
26:54
Speaker 2: so much for your time, I really appreciate it. Now
26:56
Speaker 2: after the break, new data that shows Australia's cost of
27:00
Speaker 2: crisis is not going away. And guess what is going
27:03
Speaker 2: away for a long time despite labors so called relief
27:06
Speaker 2: measures plus claims increased temperatures caused by you guessed it,
27:12
Speaker 2: crime It change will trigger a crime wave across the nation.
27:17
Speaker 2: Shadow Environment Mister Jonathan Dunham joins me after the break.
27:24
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. James Borrow here filling in
27:27
Speaker 2: for Peter Kredlin. Now, if you feel like you're getting poorer,
27:30
Speaker 2: if you feel like you're going backwards economically, You're not alone.
27:34
Speaker 2: New analysis from the Coalition release this week has found
27:37
Speaker 2: that despite Labour's relief measures on the cost of living,
27:41
Speaker 2: Australian living standards won't return to pre pandemic levels until
27:47
Speaker 2: at least the twenty twenty nine twenty thirty financial year.
27:51
Speaker 2: That's five years away at least. Joining me now to
27:54
Speaker 2: discuss this and more is Shadow Environment mister Jonathan Dunham. Jonathan,
27:58
Speaker 2: thanks so much for coming on the program this evening.
28:01
Speaker 2: This is some really grim analysis from the Coalition's point
28:06
Speaker 2: of view. What needs to be done to turn Australia's
28:10
Speaker 2: failing living standards around and how do we wind up
28:14
Speaker 2: not falling behind you know, the rest of the.
28:16
Speaker 10: World, which is sadly what's happening, James, and happy New
28:22
Speaker 10: Year to you and your happy new years. Well look,
28:25
Speaker 10: I think yes, although these numbers don't really bear out
28:28
Speaker 10: a happy new year for many Australians. What needs to happen,
28:32
Speaker 10: frankly is there does need to be a change of government.
28:34
Speaker 10: Firstly and foremostly I mean it is this government's policies
28:37
Speaker 10: and lack of policy direction and solutions to the problems
28:42
Speaker 10: Australians are facing that is putting households and small businesses
28:46
Speaker 10: too in.
28:47
Speaker 1: The situation they're in.
28:48
Speaker 10: I mean, we didn't need to produce this report to
28:50
Speaker 10: remind people of how tough they're doing. Is Labor themselves
28:53
Speaker 10: say they understand that households are doing it tough, but
28:57
Speaker 10: where are the policy responses We continue to blindly blunder
29:01
Speaker 10: on with this green energy transition which is driving up
29:04
Speaker 10: power prices. Industrial relations laws are making it more costly
29:08
Speaker 10: to do business. They're out of control. Government spending is
29:12
Speaker 10: driving up inflation. There has been no change to any
29:15
Speaker 10: of these issues. And to have another three years of labor,
29:20
Speaker 10: which would further bake in these terrible things which are
29:24
Speaker 10: driving up the cost of living, that is what we
29:26
Speaker 10: don't need. So that's why between now and the election
29:28
Speaker 10: there'll be a great offering of policies that will give
29:31
Speaker 10: Australians a choice about whether they want a future where
29:33
Speaker 10: they can afford to leave or one under labor where
29:35
Speaker 10: things get worse.
29:37
Speaker 2: Well, we're looking forward to seeing some of those policies
29:39
Speaker 2: come out, and hopefully some of them will be around
29:41
Speaker 2: net zero. But I want to go on now to
29:44
Speaker 2: speaking of net zero and climate I just love this.
29:48
Speaker 2: A new study has claimed that rising temperatures driven by
29:51
Speaker 2: su guest climate change will lead to an additional seventy
29:56
Speaker 2: two thousand crimes.
29:58
Speaker 1: Per year in Australia.
30:00
Speaker 6: Yeah.
30:00
Speaker 2: The paper is titled Crime, Weather and Climate Change in
30:03
Speaker 2: Australia and found that an increase in the number of
30:06
Speaker 2: days over thirty degrees was linked to a higher crime rate. Jonathan,
30:13
Speaker 2: this seems like a bit of a long bow here.
30:16
Speaker 1: I don't know.
30:16
Speaker 2: I sort of feel like when it's sort of thirty degrees,
30:18
Speaker 2: I don't really feel like doing much, much less going
30:20
Speaker 2: out in committing crimes.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of this report? Oh, I make it.
30:26
Speaker 10: It's nonsense, James, I mean, this is ridiculous. The last
30:30
Speaker 10: person who blamed anything on the weather was Milli Vanilli,
30:32
Speaker 10: who blamed it on the rain. But we have to
30:35
Speaker 10: see more personal responsibility. Yet, to have people producing reports
30:40
Speaker 10: that if you're going to commit a crime, it's probably
30:44
Speaker 10: because of the weather, I mean, that's a nonsense argument
30:47
Speaker 10: to suggest that we now must act on climate change
30:50
Speaker 10: because it's going to cause a surge in occurrences of crime.
30:54
Speaker 10: I think he's an absolute ridiculous argument to make I'd
30:57
Speaker 10: love to meet the scientists to scientists to for pin
31:01
Speaker 10: this report, but it is just something I wouldn't probably
31:05
Speaker 10: advise many people to waste their time on rating because
31:08
Speaker 10: as like a lot of the other sciens that's out
31:10
Speaker 10: there behind some of these claims, it just might up.
31:14
Speaker 8: No.
31:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just looking forward to the day when
31:16
Speaker 2: somebody goes to a judge and says, oh, look, the
31:19
Speaker 2: lawyer says, you know it was climate change. What done it,
31:22
Speaker 2: your honor? But anyway, another fascinating story here today. Indigenous
31:27
Speaker 2: leader Gerhard Pearson has accused the former Queensland Labor government
31:31
Speaker 2: of get this rushing to nominate Cape York for a
31:35
Speaker 2: World Heritage listing ahead of last year's election. Now, the
31:38
Speaker 2: state LMP Environment Minister has now ordered a review of
31:41
Speaker 2: the nomination after Indigenous groups claimed there has been a
31:45
Speaker 2: lack of consultation, and mister Pearson told The Week in
31:48
Speaker 2: Australian quote, this was a scurrilous exercise by ministers and
31:52
Speaker 2: their conservation champions to use the state election to run
31:56
Speaker 2: over the top of the people of Cape York. Well,
32:01
Speaker 2: for Proisterian Miles, there's been fifteen years of consultation.
32:05
Speaker 10: Is he wrong, is absolutely wrong, and you only have
32:10
Speaker 10: to talk to the people on the ground that point
32:12
Speaker 10: out that there was no such consultation at all. This
32:16
Speaker 10: is a typical play by the Labor Party and they
32:20
Speaker 10: did it in Canberra with the Blainey gold mine. They
32:22
Speaker 10: just rode rough shot over the top of the local
32:24
Speaker 10: indigenous community there to stop a billion dollar gold mine.
32:27
Speaker 10: And it appears Stephen Miles has gone and written rough
32:30
Speaker 10: shot over the local traditional owners in kpe Orc to
32:33
Speaker 10: put forward this listing.
32:35
Speaker 1: It's the Capital City's knows best approach.
32:37
Speaker 10: And what is the oddest part about this, James, is
32:40
Speaker 10: these people who are doing this the same people who
32:43
Speaker 10: proposed a voice so that these people could be listened
32:46
Speaker 10: to and they could have a say. Well, I question
32:49
Speaker 10: how serious that proposition was. When you've got those proponents
32:52
Speaker 10: of the voice out there telling those indigenous communities what
32:57
Speaker 10: they think is best for them, it's a little bit
33:00
Speaker 10: ridiculous to say that you're all about empowering indigenous communities,
33:04
Speaker 10: but on the other hand going and doing what you
33:06
Speaker 10: think is best and what they need on their behalf.
33:09
Speaker 2: Well, this is becoming a bit of a trend here.
33:11
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad you mentioned the Bleni gold mine,
33:13
Speaker 2: but there's also been a story now that local councils
33:16
Speaker 2: here in New South Wales have been accused of weaponizing
33:18
Speaker 2: heritage laws to black housing projects after twelve hundred and
33:22
Speaker 2: fifteen sites were added to heritage registers in just five years.
33:25
Speaker 2: What about just using general heritage listing processes? Where does
33:30
Speaker 2: you know you've got a housing crisis here? How does
33:33
Speaker 2: I know? The larger sort of state stuff? But clearly
33:36
Speaker 2: this is going to be a federal issue as well
33:38
Speaker 2: come the election. Does all of this stuff need to
33:40
Speaker 2: be reviewed? No, absolutely it does.
33:45
Speaker 10: I mean we're talking about spending billions and billions of
33:49
Speaker 10: dollars to build houses and todate. In this term of government,
33:52
Speaker 10: none have been built and the best thing we could
33:55
Speaker 10: do is change the laws to have a quick review,
33:58
Speaker 10: figure out what the problems are and change the law.
34:00
Speaker 10: I mean, Federally, you've got tens of thousands of homes
34:04
Speaker 10: held up under the EPBC Act because of federal environmental
34:07
Speaker 10: approvals delaying the ability for these projects to go ahead.
34:11
Speaker 10: You've got state laws doing the same, and now you've
34:13
Speaker 10: got local government at putting there or in the water
34:16
Speaker 10: to do what that can to hold things up too,
34:18
Speaker 10: and seriously, we should all be putting in the same direction.
34:20
Speaker 1: People are doing it tough.
34:21
Speaker 10: You've got new home buyers who want to be able
34:23
Speaker 10: to get into the market. Nothing is helping them get in.
34:26
Speaker 10: And this waste of taxpayer's money to try and build
34:29
Speaker 10: homes when your laws are stopping them from being built
34:33
Speaker 10: just points to the need for reform, regulatory and legal reform.
34:36
Speaker 10: That's all that needs to happen here.
34:38
Speaker 2: Get it out, get to go round of the way
34:39
Speaker 2: and let things happen. Jonathan Dunham very well said, thank
34:42
Speaker 2: you so much for your time here on Credlin. Now
34:44
Speaker 2: don't go anywhere, because after the break we're going to
34:46
Speaker 2: talk about the lessons Australia can learn from Argentina's unconventional
34:50
Speaker 2: president as he turns that ailing nation around. Plus why
34:55
Speaker 2: Climate Minister Chris Bowen quit x war with Pruba Sween.
35:00
Speaker 2: After the break, welcome back to the program. James Brow
35:06
Speaker 2: here filling in for Peter Kretlin. You know, earlier I
35:08
Speaker 2: spoke about Anthony Albanese's glass jaw, but it turns out
35:11
Speaker 2: he's not the only one in this government. Climate Change
35:14
Speaker 2: and Energy Minister Chris Bowen. He's the one who loves
35:18
Speaker 2: to talk up his wind farm plans and the net
35:20
Speaker 2: zero agenda, but he's not doing it on Elon Musk's
35:24
Speaker 2: social platform X anymore. He's quit X, saying it is
35:29
Speaker 2: quote no longer the place for informed and respectful conversation.
35:34
Speaker 2: Instead he's opted for rival newcomer Blue Sky. Well, let's
35:39
Speaker 2: talk about that now. To discuss this is verb communications.
35:43
Speaker 2: Proue McSween pro Great to have you on the program.
35:47
Speaker 2: Do you think Chris Bowen was just tired of being schooled?
35:51
Speaker 2: Because they have those wonderful community notes on Twitter. If
35:55
Speaker 2: you'll post something that's wrong, you get called out. Do
35:58
Speaker 2: you think he was just tired of that?
36:00
Speaker 5: I think he's been spreading misinformation for so long on
36:03
Speaker 5: Twitter and everywhere. But I have a theory that the
36:07
Speaker 5: guy was pushed. I actually believe that the party faithful,
36:12
Speaker 5: the party leaders looked at him and know that he
36:15
Speaker 5: is so savory to the voters, and so I think
36:20
Speaker 5: that maybe they've disappeared him. Maybe they said, make get
36:24
Speaker 5: out of the way. We don't want to hear from you. So,
36:27
Speaker 5: I mean, whether he's in Blue Sky or anywhere, I mean,
36:29
Speaker 5: they have got what a very small percentage of followers.
36:32
Speaker 5: I know that they picked up a bit after the
36:34
Speaker 5: Trump election, but in terms of X and what have you,
36:37
Speaker 5: there really diminished. So I mean the guy's full of misinformation.
36:42
Speaker 5: I mean if he's worried about truth and what have
36:44
Speaker 5: you and respect, well, he's never shown the public any
36:48
Speaker 5: respect for the lies and the policies is inflicted on us.
36:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, which includes you know, where's our two hundred
36:53
Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars off our power building crew.
36:55
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting. I'm still waiting.
36:57
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's move on here, which is a fantastic couch
37:01
Speaker 2: that I'm hoping to visit one day. Just over a
37:04
Speaker 2: year ago now, the eccentric Javier Malay called a stir
37:08
Speaker 2: when he was elected Argentinian president. At the time, the
37:11
Speaker 2: country had inflation more than one hundred and twenty percent
37:13
Speaker 2: per adam at interest rates of one hundred and eleven
37:17
Speaker 2: percent per adum. But since he's come to power and
37:20
Speaker 2: he's taken his chainsaw to government, inflation and interest rates
37:25
Speaker 2: have fallen dramatically. Government job's been slash whoo, and Malay
37:29
Speaker 2: and did his first year more trusted than his previous
37:34
Speaker 2: three predecessors. Now with Trump op to take off to
37:37
Speaker 2: the US and the UK's left leading Labor party languishing,
37:41
Speaker 2: are we seeing a global shift? Does this guy in
37:43
Speaker 2: Malay they all said he was far right, but does
37:45
Speaker 2: he really where politics is heading out?
37:48
Speaker 5: Totally? James? I think, I mean, we look at the
37:50
Speaker 5: six EU countries that are now far right. We're looking
37:54
Speaker 5: at the Netherlands. We need I think that people have
37:58
Speaker 5: woken up that these wokes socialist governments who really have
38:02
Speaker 5: no ability to manage economies. All they can do is
38:06
Speaker 5: spend have had enough. People have really had enough. COVID
38:10
Speaker 5: was a really damaging impact on every economy we had.
38:14
Speaker 5: Then the net zero fantasy, the energy policies that are
38:18
Speaker 5: crippling people, and we need strong, realistic leadership. And this
38:23
Speaker 5: is what Dutton's going to face. Of course, it's going
38:25
Speaker 5: to inherit this basket case that we have here. And
38:30
Speaker 5: you know, Leak One, you once said that we were
38:32
Speaker 5: what the basket case of Asia, and I think that's
38:35
Speaker 5: what we are. And it's going to be a huge
38:37
Speaker 5: challenge for Dutton to fix the joint But.
38:41
Speaker 2: I want to ask you, you know, on this question
38:43
Speaker 2: of the democracy in the center where people are moving.
38:46
Speaker 1: One of the things we.
38:47
Speaker 2: Keep hearing is from the people who are defending the
38:50
Speaker 2: old consensus, is that somehow this is anti democratic if
38:53
Speaker 2: people want different things and what they're offering. But it
38:56
Speaker 2: seems to me like the old consensus, sort of the
38:59
Speaker 2: one that we had almost from World War two to today,
39:01
Speaker 2: you know, that stopped providing people with what they wanted.
39:04
Speaker 2: You know, you cannot blame people for wanting something different
39:07
Speaker 2: when their living standards going backwards, when they have, you know,
39:11
Speaker 2: to compete with migrants for housing and all sorts of
39:13
Speaker 2: other things. It seems like the compact is broken and
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Speaker 2: we need a new compact.
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Speaker 5: Of course we do. And I think the people have
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Speaker 5: had enough. There is an uprising against the wok, the
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Speaker 5: identity politics. We are feeling and experiencing, you know, what
39:28
Speaker 5: our parents did during the depression almost you know, we're
39:31
Speaker 5: getting that way where everybody is doing it so hard
39:34
Speaker 5: that you have to let ideology go and you have
39:36
Speaker 5: to think about practicalities. And I think there's a strong
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Speaker 5: movement of publics now just wanting leaders who are strong,
39:43
Speaker 5: who are decisive, who are not going to capitulate to
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Speaker 5: minority loud minority groups.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we need, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: And I mean, you know, obviously the guy who led
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Speaker 2: all this is Donald Trump, and just in the in
39:56
Speaker 2: terms of the efforts to take him down by this
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Speaker 2: consensus people, the swamp whatever. A judges ruled in his
40:02
Speaker 2: New York case that he will be sentence on January
40:04
Speaker 2: tenth on thirty four counts of false five business records
40:07
Speaker 2: that we all know. We're completely trumped up, so to speak.
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Speaker 2: There's ten days before the inauguration. Now right now it
40:15
Speaker 2: looks like they're going to give an unconditional discharge, meaning
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Speaker 2: no custody, fines, anything like that, but he still gets
40:22
Speaker 2: the record. How shameless are these people?
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Speaker 5: Well, they're so vindictive.
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Speaker 1: They couldn't get him vindictive, that's the word out.
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Speaker 5: No, they couldn't actually get him during in the polls,
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Speaker 5: in the actual election result. So they were prepared to
40:37
Speaker 5: do anything at any cost to get at him. When
40:39
Speaker 5: you look at what Hunter Biden got away with, and
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Speaker 5: you look at what they've got against Trump, it's just
40:45
Speaker 5: a joke, isn't It's a face And you know, I
40:48
Speaker 5: just find that any legitimacy that was left with the
40:52
Speaker 5: Democrats has totally gone. Now I can't believe that any
40:56
Speaker 5: thinking person would believe that this is the right thing
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Speaker 5: to do. It's a fos.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see what happens on the tenth, ten days
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Speaker 2: before the inauguration. Hows that for bitterness? Pro vaccine? Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for jing, Thank you so much for
41:10
Speaker 2: joining us. After the break, we're going to talk about
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Speaker 2: the grim reality of Australia's prolonged inflation crisis and the
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Speaker 2: warnings our living standards aren't going to recover for kill
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Speaker 2: the least next decade. It's your Public Affairs Sinclaire Davidson,
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Speaker 2: Saxon Davidson. Sorry, after the break, Welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 2: James Mara here filling in for Credil and now let's
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Speaker 2: return to the coalition's analysis of Labour's mediyear Economic and
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Speaker 2: Financial Outlook my EFO, which predicts living standards aren't coming
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Speaker 2: back to pre pandemic levels until the next decade. This
41:44
Speaker 2: has led economist Chris Richardson to call for bipartisanship when
41:48
Speaker 2: it comes to boosting the nation's productivity, saying, quote, we
41:51
Speaker 2: need to become more productive. That's what we'll return our
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Speaker 2: living standards. But that's easier said than done and joining
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Speaker 2: me now to discuss this and how we do it
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Speaker 2: is Institute of Public Affairs Research fellow Saxon Davidson Saxon,
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining me today. What do you make of
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Speaker 2: this latest analysis and is productivity a productivity boost our
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Speaker 2: only way out of this mess?
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Speaker 9: What this analysis shows is that our economy is currently
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Speaker 9: suffering under economic long COVID and Chris Richardson is absolutely correct.
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Speaker 9: What we need to do is improve economic productivity and
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Speaker 9: the only way to sustainably do that is to remove
42:30
Speaker 9: red tape and increase the economic prosperity and economic conditions
42:34
Speaker 9: for our private sector. We currently have a record amount
42:37
Speaker 9: of red tape burdening the private sector and the only
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Speaker 9: way to increase living stent is to remove that red
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Speaker 9: tape and allow the private sector to do what it
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Speaker 9: does best and lived living standards for everyday Australians.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not just you know, the red tape,
42:50
Speaker 2: and I totally agree with you that things like the
42:52
Speaker 2: ir legislation and all of that creates massive burdens.
42:55
Speaker 1: But you've also written a.
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Speaker 2: Great piece for the Daily Telegraph arguing that US friends
42:59
Speaker 2: can blame Labour's reckless spending spree. For the fact pay
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Speaker 2: packets aren't going as far as they used to tell
43:07
Speaker 2: us more about how exactly this spending by the government
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Speaker 2: is crowding out the private sector and where is all
43:13
Speaker 2: that money going?
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Speaker 1: Is the NDIS where is it?
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Speaker 9: So current government spending is currently contributing almost as much
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Speaker 9: to total economic growth as it did during the pandemic,
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Speaker 9: which is an unprecedented level of government spending. And what
43:29
Speaker 9: we thought was an unprecedented time but unfortunately that unprecedented
43:33
Speaker 9: level of government spending is no longer unprecedented. It has
43:36
Speaker 9: continued ever since the premiership of Anthony Albinizi has begun.
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Speaker 9: Now this spending is being spent on things like the NDIS,
43:44
Speaker 9: but also a needless things such as the current net
43:46
Speaker 9: zero Kraz's agenda and as well as other pet government
43:50
Speaker 9: projects that are slated such as the ones in the
43:52
Speaker 9: future made in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but also though politically, you know, what you say
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Speaker 2: about the spending is correct economic, but politically, how does
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Speaker 2: a government you know, or in opposition that's trying to
44:03
Speaker 2: take power make the case to people that well, look,
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Speaker 2: we're going to cut some of this spending and you
44:09
Speaker 2: individual as individuals might not get the support that you
44:12
Speaker 2: might have had. Is the climate now such that we
44:15
Speaker 2: are so addicted to support for anything bad that happens
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Speaker 2: that real reform is impossible.
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Speaker 9: Well, the opposition just needs to make the case that
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Speaker 9: this government spending only addresses the symptoms of our inflationary
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Speaker 9: issues and doesn't address the root cause. We know now
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Speaker 9: that the current levels of government spending is fueling underlying inflation,
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Speaker 9: which is keeping interest rates up. And as long as
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Speaker 9: they can make that case, I'm sure mainstream Australians will
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Speaker 9: come around and understand that unless we tackle the root
44:44
Speaker 9: cause of this underlying inflation, the living standings are going
44:47
Speaker 9: to remain low.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, like that of the whole keeting, you know,
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Speaker 2: reform era, whether there was you know, difficult choices that
44:55
Speaker 2: had to be made and there were winners and losers.
44:57
Speaker 2: How do you have that political conversation with people just
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Speaker 2: the sort of the broad sort of talking about productivity.
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Speaker 2: Because the concern I'm hearing from people who follow this
45:05
Speaker 2: is that if we're not careful, we wind up like
45:07
Speaker 2: Argentina before Haave and Malay.
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Speaker 9: Well, in my opinion, this is why the bipartisanship that
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Speaker 9: Chris Richardson was talking about is so important. We need
45:19
Speaker 9: our political class to stand together and realize that without
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Speaker 9: systemic change to how the government has run over the
45:25
Speaker 9: past decade, that this will be highly unlikely and almost impossible.
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Speaker 9: We need a complete realignment of the political class to
45:31
Speaker 9: realize what is the problems facing Australians.
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Speaker 2: But you know when we see things like we had
45:36
Speaker 2: a tweet from the Treasure the other night comparing Labour's
45:39
Speaker 2: economic record to the coalitions, and I think this is
45:41
Speaker 2: the exact opposite of the bipartisanship that you and Chris
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Speaker 2: Richardson are talking about. He's claiming inflation's lower under labor,
45:48
Speaker 2: that real wages are growing again, unemployment is historically low,
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Speaker 2: and it seems to me like this is really shading
45:55
Speaker 2: the case to make things look good for them, when
45:57
Speaker 2: in fact, you know, things that matter, like the living
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Speaker 2: standards per capita GDP are all sliding backwards.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of this?
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Speaker 9: Well, if Jim Chalmers thinks that he can spin a
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Speaker 9: positive economic record in ten bullet points, then he thinks
46:14
Speaker 9: Australians are mugs. The living standards of Australians are low.
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Speaker 9: We've had seven consecutive quarters of GDP per capita decline.
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Speaker 9: Australians are four three hundred dollars worse off per annum
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Speaker 9: now than they were than before the twenty twenty two election.
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Speaker 9: The lived experience of Australians has gotten worse and there's
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Speaker 9: no way you can spin that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And finally, you know, one of the things the
46:38
Speaker 2: criticism we hear an awful lot about this governor's chriss
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Speaker 2: I make all the time is that the economy is
46:44
Speaker 2: pretty much being propped up by migration. But they've introduced
46:48
Speaker 2: a number of migration changes, including crackdowns on temporary stays
46:52
Speaker 2: and things like that. But the mid year budget update
46:55
Speaker 2: also revealed this year's take is likely to be eighty
46:58
Speaker 2: thousand people for the government's expectations. Look, whatever your thoughts
47:04
Speaker 2: about immigration, does more need to be done to start
47:08
Speaker 2: this being the sole thing that keeps our economy growing.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely more can be done.
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Speaker 9: We've always been a welcoming country and we have had
47:18
Speaker 9: many successful immigration programs in the past, but they have
47:22
Speaker 9: all made those successful programs have all met three key metrics.
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Speaker 9: That it increases the economic prosperity of Australians, that it
47:29
Speaker 9: is planned for, and that it has the consent of
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Speaker 9: the community. And currently the migration program that we've seen
47:34
Speaker 9: under Anthony Albanesi has failed on all three metrics. Sixty
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Speaker 9: percent of Australians would pause migration if they could. As
47:42
Speaker 9: I said, we've got seven quarters of GDB per capita
47:45
Speaker 9: decline and the current level of migration is fueling inflation
47:48
Speaker 9: in the housing and rental markets, is simply not working
47:51
Speaker 9: and is creating an economic and societal disaster.
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Speaker 2: And I mean, is it even doing anything to address
47:57
Speaker 2: worker shortages because I keep seeing these statistics to show
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Speaker 2: a lot of them who come in are actually low skilled.
48:04
Speaker 2: They're not filling the high skilled jobs that were supposedly
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Speaker 2: bringing people in for. It feels like, you know, our
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Speaker 2: migration program is simply mismatched.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct.
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Speaker 9: We still have over three hundred and thirty thousand job
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Speaker 9: vacancies in the economy, even though that we brought in
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Speaker 9: over a million migrants over the previous two years.
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Speaker 1: The match just doesn't add up.
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Speaker 9: We've still got a worker shortage crisis, and the migration program,
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Speaker 9: which was predicated on the fact that it was going
48:31
Speaker 9: to help solve our worker shortage crisis, is creating a
48:34
Speaker 9: litany of other issues in our society.
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Speaker 1: It's been a complete failure.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Zax and Davidson, thank you so much for your
48:41
Speaker 2: time joining us here from the Institute of Public Affairs,
48:43
Speaker 2: and thank you for your writing and the Daily Telegraph
48:45
Speaker 2: and elsewhere, and absolutely correct. The migration issue is going
48:49
Speaker 2: to be, I think a big one in this coming election. Now,
48:53
Speaker 2: don't go anywhere because guess what. The ball Report is
48:58
Speaker 2: up next with Dnika to Georgia coming up just right now.
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Speaker 1: Thank you,