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Reali-TEA Crime Stories: The Sex Tape That Won’t Climax! Ray J & Kim K · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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Speaker 1: scripted as well. Rain drives. On today's episode, Reality Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: My co host Cotney Parker and I are back along
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Speaker 1: with our guests Josh Tyranny. Where tonight's topic is We
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Speaker 1: are ditting into the fact that ray J is suing
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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian in addition to her mother, Chris jenn Her.
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Speaker 1: This is a counter suit because Chris and Kim filed
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Speaker 1: a lawsuit against ray J for defamation because ray J
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Speaker 1: made the allegations that they were being investigated. So look,
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Speaker 1: we want to dive right into the story. How's it
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Speaker 1: going Courtney and just Tearney?
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Speaker 2: Hey, Carlos, is that a wife beater.
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Speaker 3: Allowed to say that anymore?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I can always tell how our episodes are going
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Speaker 2: to go. Based on your wardrobe.
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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like it's gonna go the way always go,
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Speaker 1: which is fun and informative. Right, you got I it's.
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Speaker 2: Given very adult tape.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's definitely giving ray J. W Wait a minute, wait.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, ain't that Brandy's brother? Yes, one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite songs by ray J featuring the iconic, legendary
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Speaker 1: Little Kim. So, look, we have to dive into this
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Speaker 1: because Cortney and judge Tyranny. I mean, where do we begin? So,
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Speaker 1: as we all know, look, ray J and Kim's pass
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Speaker 1: dates back to when they were dating before the reality
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Speaker 1: show Keeping Up with the Kardashians. At this time, I
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Speaker 1: believe she was not only just known as Paris Hilton's friend,
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Speaker 1: but she also was known as Brandy's closet organizer. This
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Speaker 1: is this is like the early days of Kimberly Noel.
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Speaker 1: We all know about the infamous sex tape that got released.
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Speaker 1: It propelled Kim to unforeseen hight. It made ray J
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Speaker 1: so of infamous. A lot of people saw what he's
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Speaker 1: taplele love.
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Speaker 3: Every day, and.
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Speaker 1: They were famous in other ways. And then I felt
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Speaker 1: like we all said, Okay, the jig is up. We
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Speaker 1: know what happened, and I think we all moved on
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Speaker 1: and forgot about it, courtesy of the Kardashians being this
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Speaker 1: billion dollar empire. But recently all this has come to
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Speaker 1: a hit because on the Kardashians Hulu series What Happened
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Speaker 1: was in the premiere episode, Kim Kardashian, who at the
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Speaker 1: time was still married to Kanye West. She talked about
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Speaker 1: how they were allegedly allegedly more footage of his sex
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Speaker 1: tape and how people were threatening to re release it.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, Kanye came to the rescue filmed an
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Speaker 1: episode saying he confiscated the footage and she had nothing
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Speaker 1: to worry about. Ray J then decided to go on
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Speaker 1: Instagram Live and say, look, all of this is lies.
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Speaker 1: This was a deal set up, not a scheme that
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Speaker 1: Tas set up, honey, And he's saying this was a
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Speaker 1: scheme that Chris Jenner set up, that they were all
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Speaker 1: in on the gig. They all got something out of it.
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Speaker 1: And as a married man who is awesome uncle and
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Speaker 1: a father of two that he's he doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: be seen as like this awful guy, which we were like, okay, understood,
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Speaker 1: But then ray J recently suggested that the Kardashians were
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Speaker 1: going to be charged or are being charged allegedly with
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Speaker 1: racketeering charges, and that's when the Kardashians filed a lawsuit.
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Speaker 1: The sue claims that no such federal investigation exist and
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Speaker 1: that Brady's comments are part of a long running campaign
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Speaker 1: to exploit their fame, and now ray J com against
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Speaker 1: the Kardashians. He is saying that the defamation suit was
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Speaker 1: fouled for a publicity power and punishment, and that the
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Speaker 1: pair violated an earlier six million dollar settlement agreement where
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Speaker 1: ray J is alleging that in that scene where Kanye
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Speaker 1: West alleged that he confiscated the tapes, ray J at
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Speaker 1: the lawsuit and they settled for six million dollars and
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Speaker 1: sent never to bring it up again. So this is
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Speaker 1: where we are. So, Courtney, where you going to begin
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Speaker 1: with this story?
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Speaker 3: Listen? I will give a really brief disclaimer.
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Speaker 4: I know ray J personally, I was around met him
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Speaker 4: in two thousand and five. Friends, we are friends, I
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Speaker 4: can honestly say that. And what I will say is
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Speaker 4: I don't know the ins and outs of this current settlement,
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Speaker 4: this current lawsuit, but I will say ray J has
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Speaker 4: been saying the exact same story since I met him
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Speaker 4: in two thousand and five. I know firsthand that the
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Speaker 4: truth never changes. And RAYJ, with respect to this incident,
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Speaker 4: the negotiation.
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Speaker 1: Of this.
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Speaker 4: Not being released without anyone's knowledge, everyone knew.
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Speaker 3: He's been saying the exact same thing.
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Speaker 4: And owning the exact same truth since two thousand and five.
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Speaker 4: So I will be biased in saying I believe ray J.
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Speaker 3: Out the gate.
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Speaker 4: I will believe I believe ray J, have always believed
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Speaker 4: ray J with respect to this. But that doesn't negate
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Speaker 4: the fact that there is two new lawsuits out here.
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Speaker 4: And Judge Tyranny is going to educate us on what
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Speaker 4: some of these terms mean, what some of the allegations
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Speaker 4: mean for people, and just give us a little history
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Speaker 4: on what these filings mean and how much of this
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Speaker 4: is actually something that we as audiences, that people that
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Speaker 4: love both of these people and these brands, what this
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Speaker 4: means for the state of what happens in the dark
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Speaker 4: coming to the really coming to the light. So, if
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Speaker 4: you don't mind, I love to kick it off with
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Speaker 4: my first question for Judge Tyranny. Okay, so if you can,
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Speaker 4: Judge Tyranny and we all know you're a famous disclaimer
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Speaker 4: about not being able to.
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Speaker 3: Talk about open cases. Both of these.
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Speaker 4: Are our charges that are claims that are open. But
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Speaker 4: you can give us a little bit of an education
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Speaker 4: on what we're looking at, what we're hearing.
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Speaker 3: So with this being.
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Speaker 4: A allegation of defamation, what is what is kind of
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Speaker 4: required to prove a a RICO probe.
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Speaker 3: That's being allocated, that's being.
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Speaker 4: Alleged, like, what's what's what's the proper showing to include falsity,
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Speaker 4: fault and or damages? And and what are we looking
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Speaker 4: at when we hear things like ray j countersteing for RICO.
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Speaker 4: So again, it's very nice for me not to be
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Speaker 4: the only person with a disclaimer this week, So rain Drops,
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Speaker 4: you can put your knife up when you're talking about me.
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Speaker 4: Courtney gave her disclaimer first, So.
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Speaker 3: I am glad that.
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Speaker 4: Partie is sharing some of the heat this week. But yes,
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Speaker 4: as she said, as I say every week, I cannot
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Speaker 4: comment on any ongone legal matter and I cannot give
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Speaker 4: any legal advice. But what I can do and hope
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Speaker 4: to do, is help for the public and the rain
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Speaker 4: Drops to understand better what is going on in different
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Speaker 4: legal lawsuits so that they have a better understanding of
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Speaker 4: the actual legal system. And when you speak of we'll
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Speaker 4: jump right into the defamation.
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Speaker 1: Let's start there because I know a lot of people
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Speaker 1: have questions about that I'm just.
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Speaker 4: Tyranny perfect, and so I think that it's very important
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Speaker 4: to understand that, you know, defamation isn't just about you
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Speaker 4: said something bad about someone, or they didn't lie, or
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Speaker 4: they lied, or you know you didn't like what they said.
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Speaker 2: There is four elements to defamation. First, you have to
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Speaker 2: actually make a statement that can be provable as false
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Speaker 2: or true.
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Speaker 4: Second, you have to actually then prove that the statement
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Speaker 4: was actually done in a public form, meaning outside of
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Speaker 4: the two people involved. Thirdly, you actually have to have
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Speaker 4: caused some harm. And then, lastly, especially when we're dealing
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Speaker 4: with public figures, and this is very important, you actually
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Speaker 4: also have to show that it was done with malicious
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Speaker 4: intent or reckless disregard. So let me ask this question
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Speaker 4: because I'll say the stuff that you cannot say, and
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Speaker 4: then Carlos, please chine in with what we know will
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Speaker 4: be your thoughts. So, in this regard, Ray j countersuing
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Speaker 4: means that whatever settlement was reached, originally the fact that
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Speaker 4: she keeps bringing it back up and he's saying there
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Speaker 4: is no defamation because I actually have proof that these
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Speaker 4: are lies courtesy of these text messages and all the
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Speaker 4: paper trail and paperwork that he alleges he has in
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Speaker 4: his possession, and because they keep doing it and bringing
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Speaker 4: it up on their reality shows, which is a huge
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Speaker 4: public platform. Arm doesn't matter where he is it that,
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Speaker 4: it doesn't matter where they were at that point in
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Speaker 4: their life. It's where he is or he may be
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Speaker 4: feeling like he is now being the father of two,
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Speaker 4: having his own businesses and just not wanting to.
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Speaker 3: Be brought back to that person that he.
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Speaker 4: Was when they were, you know, well in their twenties.
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Speaker 4: Is that where why he's seeking defamation? Is that what
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Speaker 4: he is considering defaming towards him?
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Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
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Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. So the thing is
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Speaker 1: this based on the history of it, Well, what I
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Speaker 1: feel like is going on is this, and I do
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Speaker 1: you want to understand the legalities of the situation from
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Speaker 1: a blanket standpoint of when a sex tape is involved
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Speaker 1: and what I stand a release of a sex tape
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Speaker 1: being legalized by both parties. So according to you answer
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Speaker 1: your question, ray J is saying, look, we made this
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Speaker 1: sex tape together. It was consent. I did not go
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Speaker 1: behind your back to release this. I wasn't this creepy
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Speaker 1: guy that submitted this to Vivid Entertainment right like, we
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Speaker 1: were both consenting adults having this relationship on camera. Ray
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Speaker 1: J has alleged that during this process of the sex
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Speaker 1: tape being released, ray J is alleging that, look, we
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Speaker 1: both got paid out of this. He is alleging that
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Speaker 1: Chris Jenner said I watched it. He's a legend she
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Speaker 1: watched it. He's alleging that Chris, in addition to I
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Speaker 1: believe other people said we need reshoots because allegedly they
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Speaker 1: didn't like how Kim looked in the in the in
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Speaker 1: the iteration of the first video, he's a last thing,
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Speaker 1: that they did reshoots, and that after the reshoots were
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Speaker 1: done and they tried to like sell that I sell that,
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Speaker 1: but package it. Rey J is alleging that they said,
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Speaker 1: let's go with the first one. Let's go with the
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Speaker 1: first one. Juste tyranny from my understanding, from a legal standpoint,
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Speaker 1: or any tape, whether it's sex tape, a tape of
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Speaker 1: me and my friends having brunch okay out a restaurant.
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Speaker 1: If a major corporation, a distribution entity called Vivid Entertainment, Okay,
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Speaker 1: is releasing it in exchange for pay. Right, the sex
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Speaker 1: tape was made available. It wasn't like things you see
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Speaker 1: on Twitter that you're not supposed to watch, but you
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Speaker 1: watch it anyway and you record it because it's going
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Speaker 1: to be taken down. No, this was distributed for release
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Speaker 1: in exchange for compensation from the consumer. In order for
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Speaker 1: that to happen. What we are realizing now that we're older,
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Speaker 1: is you can't release a sex tape of two people
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Speaker 1: without their release without their consent. Right that way, he's
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Speaker 1: a legend. He's like, are you guys crazy? This was
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Speaker 1: not in the legal situation because the company who distributed
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Speaker 1: the sexy could have went to jail. So, just from
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Speaker 1: a legal standpoint, is that true that in order for
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Speaker 1: something to be released of his magnitude for worldwide in perpetuity,
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Speaker 1: you need the consenting release of both parties.
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Speaker 4: So I will say that in general when anytime you
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Speaker 4: are dealing with let's just go with IP content in
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Speaker 4: any form. You both have worked on television reality or drama,
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Speaker 4: and you know that in each one of those situations,
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Speaker 4: even when you have guests who are.
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Speaker 2: Not recurring stars, you get a release.
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Speaker 4: And so those are things that companies generally are going
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Speaker 4: to always do to make sure that they are protected
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Speaker 4: and that.
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Speaker 2: They have no liability.
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Speaker 4: I think we also have to talk about contractual agreements. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: and so there would have had to have probably been
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Speaker 4: in place, not probably an agreement in place between.
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Speaker 2: Both parties, and then those parties and the distribution company
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Speaker 2: and so.
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Speaker 1: On.
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Speaker 4: You negotiate consenting adults, negotiate agreements and terms. Then that
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Speaker 4: is really what a court is going to review to
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Speaker 4: determine if there has been a breach of that contract, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: and so yes, we can take you know, anytime we're
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Speaker 4: dealing with reality TV and celebrities, there's a lot that
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Speaker 4: goes on in the public. There are a lot of
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Speaker 4: public statements, there's a lot of gossip and father that
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Speaker 4: goes on and on and on. But remember, in a court,
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Speaker 4: we're always going to look at the evidence. It's going
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Speaker 4: to start with the documents and it is going to
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Speaker 4: finish with any authenticated evidence, not just simply going over
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Speaker 4: text messages. Or screenshots or headlines, and so I think
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Speaker 4: that when the audience thinks about this, they need to
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Speaker 4: realize that the legal documents are really going to control
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Speaker 4: the narrative in a courtroom.
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Speaker 3: Got it.
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Speaker 4: So, one of the things that I've read from just
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Speaker 4: ray Ja's filing from November twenty twenty five, he's saying
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Speaker 4: that he is claiming breach of a contract based on
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Speaker 4: the alleged twenty twenty three settlement with a no discussion
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Speaker 4: provision and payment term. He cites references on the Hulu
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Speaker 4: show as a breach and he wants one hundred million
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Speaker 4: dollars settlement to remedy it. He's saying that there is
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Speaker 4: a breach of a settlement that was that came about.
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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three. So we do know that.
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Speaker 4: There have been legal settlements that have been reached. So
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Speaker 4: I just wanted to make sure we saw this sound
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Speaker 4: and break it down for the audience.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 4: In two thousand and five, for the ip in question,
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Speaker 4: there was a negotiated contract, yep.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 4: Then we moved to twenty twenty three, and you are
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Speaker 4: saying that there is another new negotiated contract. Then we
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Speaker 4: moved to twenty twenty five, and you were saying one
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Speaker 4: of the parties has alleged a breach of that twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty three agreement. So I think it's very essential for
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Speaker 4: us to understand that the two thousand and five and
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Speaker 4: the twenty and twenty three agreements are separate, or they
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Speaker 4: could be an extension. But in order to revise any contract,
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Speaker 4: you do need the mutual agreement of both parties, and
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Speaker 4: in general, you're going to have to exchange something of
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Speaker 4: value again.
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Speaker 2: In order for the new contract to be valid.
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Speaker 4: Otherwise the terms of the original contract would still stand.
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Speaker 4: And again we don't know or I don't know especially
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Speaker 4: any of the terms from two thousand and five or
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three to know if it was two separate
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Speaker 4: contracts or simply an amendment.
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Speaker 2: Okay, because it is the same subject matter, right, This.
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Speaker 1: This is the thing that I do find interesting, And
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Speaker 1: this isn't a legal question, but obviously Judge hearing, if
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Speaker 1: you want to search yourself on the legalities of this,
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Speaker 1: please feel free. Well, it's fascinating about this because when
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Speaker 1: you when you sort of sit back, you know, I
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Speaker 1: am one of the biggest Kim Kardashian fans in the
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Speaker 1: world like I'm Carlos with a ka sometimes with that
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Speaker 1: being said, because my lafetime is king too. But with
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Speaker 1: that being said, one thing that I've always said is, look,
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Speaker 1: there's other celebrities who had a sex tape, even her
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Speaker 1: predecessor Paris hillt right the post Kim Kardashian arrows meet
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Speaker 1: me files from Love and Hip Hop Atlanta. One thing
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Speaker 1: about according not too much. One thing about that's my
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Speaker 1: friend and I love her.
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Speaker 2: Friend, and I love her as well.
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Speaker 4: Thank you to put that sex tape in the same
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Speaker 4: bracket this. Come on, talk about that, Orehanna, another flanger
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Speaker 4: I've seen neither.
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Speaker 3: I can't. I can't.
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Speaker 4: I've seen them all.
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Speaker 1: A legal term, we plead the fifth. Now what that
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Speaker 1: One thing that I do find fascinating is the fact that, look,
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Speaker 1: she has a mass, this billion dollar brand, and I
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Speaker 1: do believe she's a hard worker. I don't believe it's luck.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe in luck. I do believe in hard
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Speaker 1: work meets preparation plus obviously and foremost God's plan. I
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Speaker 1: think all of that equal success, right God first, a
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Speaker 1: great work, ethic and preparation, honey, with equal success in
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Speaker 1: any fields that you have and you can't deny that
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Speaker 1: this woman has achieved that, not only for herself, but
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Speaker 1: for her familyly. She is the she is the currency
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Speaker 1: that has provided this empire of wealth for her family,
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Speaker 1: right like she should be on the family crest, like
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Speaker 1: it should be her pictures saying because of this woman,
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Speaker 1: we are all able. Do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: With that being said for her? You said, what, Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's what I believe. Now with that being said, though,
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Speaker 1: this is the part that I will never understand. I
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Speaker 1: feel like all of us has forgotten about the sex
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Speaker 1: tape because she has done so much. Ray j has said.
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Speaker 1: This is what ray Je said. Ragjie said, Look, I'm
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Speaker 1: moved on with my life. Princess loves my wife. It's strange.
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Speaker 1: I'll be it my wife, I got two kids, I'm
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Speaker 1: a loving hip hop and every single reality show on
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Speaker 1: Zoos and in the world. He has a mass money
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Speaker 1: for himself, honey. And at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: my sister is Brandy. So Braggant writes brother in life, Well,
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Speaker 1: he is saying that a lot of people are like
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Speaker 1: ray J's points made. Chris Jenner was on The James
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Speaker 1: Cordon Show and she had a lie Detective Test segment
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Speaker 1: and they asked her in this lie detective test segment,
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Speaker 1: is it true that you were behind the release of
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Speaker 1: chem sex tape? She said no, The lo detective test
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Speaker 1: said she's telling the truth. Ray J was pissed about
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Speaker 1: that because once again he's like, I'm not a liar.
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Speaker 1: So that was that was sort of like strike what
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Speaker 1: And again you're sort of like why even ask the question? No,
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Speaker 1: we don't care. I feel like no one cares. Then
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Speaker 1: it was the Kardashian's premiere episode where Kanye came to
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Speaker 1: save the day. It was sort of like, I don't
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Speaker 1: need this as a storyline. I really see what happened
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Speaker 1: between you and Kanye in terms of the destruction of
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Speaker 1: your marriage. Ray J once again was like he acted
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Speaker 1: out because AJ then went as far as to do
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Speaker 1: an independent interview a legend racketeering. Do you guys and
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Speaker 1: again it's not a legal question, but do you guys see? Okay,
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Speaker 1: we now understand that ray J did not come out
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Speaker 1: of nowhere and proclaim this. But and when I say
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Speaker 1: proclaimed this meaning his innocence, but do we think ray
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Speaker 1: J went too far the racketeering charges? Because I think
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Speaker 1: and this while we'll bring you in judge. If they
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Speaker 1: were charged with racketeering charges, I'm assuming that'll be public record.
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Speaker 2: So we talked about this before, but just again for
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Speaker 2: a moment.
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Speaker 4: Of clarity, that's understanding with reco charges there are phases.
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Speaker 4: So during a rego charge, there's an investigative phase. There
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Speaker 4: is a phase where you actually decide if you're going
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Speaker 4: to present to the grand jury, and then there is
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Speaker 4: a phase where you're going to actually indict and charge.
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Speaker 4: And so throughout this journey you could start off as
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Speaker 4: a person of interest and by the time they get
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Speaker 4: to the grand jury, you are a targeted person, meaning
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Speaker 4: we are looking to see if there are criminal charges
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Speaker 4: that may be filed against you. Again, without knowing any
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Speaker 4: of the facts or being in ray J's brain, there's
26:07
Speaker 4: no way for the public to know what he may
26:11
Speaker 4: or may not know, which is again, I'm assuming why
26:18
Speaker 4: the plain of file they lawsuit to begin with. And
26:23
Speaker 4: ray J answered and said his response, but that's why
26:31
Speaker 4: you cannot use public relations or PR strategies to discuss cases.
26:39
Speaker 4: You have to follow the facts and let these things
26:42
Speaker 4: unfold in court.
26:44
Speaker 2: And I understand that people love hypotheticals because they play well,
26:48
Speaker 2: what in the media.
26:51
Speaker 4: But I will say that social media is very, very loud,
26:55
Speaker 4: but the courtroom is much quieter.
26:59
Speaker 1: Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
27:04
Speaker 1: hold on. This is what Oprah Winfrey calls not a
27:10
Speaker 1: drop mic but a light bulb moment.
27:16
Speaker 3: Yes, I love that.
27:19
Speaker 2: One more time.
27:21
Speaker 4: Social media is very loud, but the courtroom is very quiet. H.
27:29
Speaker 4: The courtroom is going to follow the evidence, and each
27:35
Speaker 4: party is going to be able to do so. I
27:39
Speaker 4: do think to be able to present the facts of
27:42
Speaker 4: their case in a courtroom, I do think that it's
27:45
Speaker 4: worth mentioning mentioning the anti slap laws, yes, which are
27:50
Speaker 4: in place to make sure early on for a judge
27:55
Speaker 4: in any lawsuit.
27:56
Speaker 2: And I've said this before. Anybody can file a.
27:59
Speaker 4: Lawsuit, but when we're talking about a defamation lawsuit, the
28:03
Speaker 4: anti slap laws and statutes were put in place to
28:07
Speaker 4: make sure that people are not filing lawsuits to silence others.
28:16
Speaker 4: And so there may be a motion presented in court
28:21
Speaker 4: where a judge is going to have to review early
28:24
Speaker 4: on the merits of the case to say, is this case.
28:30
Speaker 2: Factually meyrit with factual.
28:35
Speaker 4: Accusations that can move forward on the merits or is
28:38
Speaker 4: this an attempt to silence someone?
28:43
Speaker 2: So it's not a.
28:44
Speaker 4: Determination of who's right or who's wrong, or who did
28:47
Speaker 4: this or who did that, And especially when you're dealing
28:50
Speaker 4: with public figures, it's just to say, Okay, let's make
28:55
Speaker 4: sure everyone is playing by the rules. Can you elaborate
29:00
Speaker 4: a little bit more on what the anti slap law
29:04
Speaker 4: actually is for some of us as when I read
29:09
Speaker 4: that yesterday and while doing the research on this, I
29:13
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, what does that really mean and how
29:17
Speaker 4: does it protect?
29:18
Speaker 3: Who does it protect?
29:20
Speaker 2: Per se?
29:22
Speaker 4: It protects the public because again, is to make sure
29:27
Speaker 4: that people do not file frivolous lawsuits. And if a
29:32
Speaker 4: judge determines that you file this lawsuit based on the
29:38
Speaker 4: merits or the elements of the anti slap then they
29:43
Speaker 4: can award the other party attorneys feats.
29:47
Speaker 3: Okay.
29:48
Speaker 2: So but the whole, the whole.
29:51
Speaker 4: Goal is to make sure that I am not trying
29:55
Speaker 4: to use a lawsuit to intimidate you to silence you.
30:02
Speaker 4: And I think it's also clear to know that this
30:08
Speaker 4: is a state by state law. Okay, So this is
30:11
Speaker 4: that there's no federal anti slap law. God that is
30:16
Speaker 4: a state law, but depending on the state, some federal
30:22
Speaker 4: curtains will allow.
30:25
Speaker 2: You to present that argument.
30:31
Speaker 4: In this respect, the more power that a person like
30:36
Speaker 4: a Kim Kardashian has, it could potentially it could potentially
30:42
Speaker 4: work against her, especially if ray J is claiming that
30:47
Speaker 4: she keeps doing all of this as a publicity ploy,
30:53
Speaker 4: as a ploy for publicity, and it's it's interesting the
30:57
Speaker 4: timing of all of this. And again I'm not alleging
31:01
Speaker 4: that she is at fault for doing this, but I
31:07
Speaker 4: can say just given the track record and history of
31:12
Speaker 4: just her, like I provided for us, even in our research,
31:17
Speaker 4: there was a timeline of events surrounding Kim and this
31:23
Speaker 4: you know, this sex tape and it there have been
31:27
Speaker 4: lots of allegations of and claims that are conveniently positioned.
31:35
Speaker 3: On both sides.
31:36
Speaker 4: Actually, so my question is, as she's gained more power,
31:42
Speaker 4: more notoriety, and ray J has been very steady in
31:49
Speaker 4: his statements of, hey, we agree to do this thing
31:54
Speaker 4: way back when we have both.
31:57
Speaker 3: Evolved in our own set on our own.
32:00
Speaker 4: Separate paths, but we also agreed to just not talk
32:05
Speaker 4: about it anymore.
32:07
Speaker 3: Like we've all moved on. We should have moved on.
32:11
Speaker 4: The more popular you become one party becomes, the more antagonizing.
32:17
Speaker 4: It also becomes for somebody such as Ray J. So
32:22
Speaker 4: I like that these this anti slap is in place
32:26
Speaker 4: to at least help us as the public and the
32:30
Speaker 4: consumers of all of these stories, understand that you cannot
32:36
Speaker 4: You should not file these claims for hype and then
32:43
Speaker 4: settle quietly. You're loud with the accusations. You should be
32:47
Speaker 4: equally loud.
32:49
Speaker 3: And accountable for what you put out there.
32:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that.
32:58
Speaker 4: What you're saying focuses on the timing in the sense
33:03
Speaker 4: of the courtroom and the legal system.
33:09
Speaker 1: So again.
33:11
Speaker 4: You have to focus on the timeline of when all
33:17
Speaker 4: of this happened, when the alleged breach happened, and the courts.
33:23
Speaker 2: Are also going to consider.
33:27
Speaker 4: Who actually had the authority to release.
33:35
Speaker 2: Old footage new footage, stop.
33:38
Speaker 4: It from entering into the marketplace, continuing to let it
33:45
Speaker 4: move forward. Is it new in the sense of its
33:49
Speaker 4: newly released but it's still old footage, or is it
33:54
Speaker 4: new something.
33:55
Speaker 2: That was said recently?
33:57
Speaker 4: So when you speak of timing, I understand what you're saying,
34:00
Speaker 4: but every time I hear you say it, I think
34:03
Speaker 4: about the timing of the facts of the case, and
34:06
Speaker 4: that is what's going to play out in a courtroom
34:09
Speaker 4: to decide if there is actually a breach in this
34:14
Speaker 4: case to begin with, if there's actually a defamation, and
34:18
Speaker 4: if there's actually a privacy of some expectation of any
34:24
Speaker 4: part of this saga.
34:28
Speaker 3: Carlos, I have.
34:29
Speaker 4: A question for you, because I don't know if you've
34:34
Speaker 4: watched All's Fair to Kardashian's new show that fighting viciously
34:44
Speaker 4: and ferociously for all things women, these kinds of scenarios
34:50
Speaker 4: play out on those on the show, similar situations have
34:56
Speaker 4: been playing out.
34:58
Speaker 3: Do you think and I know the rain drops.
35:00
Speaker 4: I love asking questions for the rain drops because that
35:04
Speaker 4: in that sense we think alike like the the messy
35:09
Speaker 4: middle questions. I'm gonna ask you, Carlos, do you think
35:14
Speaker 4: that the timing the terrible ratings that this has that
35:20
Speaker 4: they've been getting, They've been getting a lot of I
35:22
Speaker 4: like the show personally, I'm in I'm in for All's
35:26
Speaker 4: Fair and the fashion of it all. But because it
35:30
Speaker 4: has been getting a lot of negative, negative, negative reviews,
35:36
Speaker 4: do you think that them filing this lawsuit, the Kardashian's
35:40
Speaker 4: filing this lawsuit. Now Kim filing the lawsuit now has
35:45
Speaker 4: any bearing.
35:47
Speaker 1: Eye You don't, No, And I'll say why because, in
35:51
Speaker 1: the words of just Tyranny, it's the timing of the facts. Yes,
35:54
Speaker 1: Carlos King esquire. Yeah. The reason why I say that
36:02
Speaker 1: is because I look at the time he governed, right,
36:05
Speaker 1: So they the show All this fair came out October,
36:12
Speaker 1: No November, it was like two weeks ago. It came
36:15
Speaker 1: out two weeks ago. But yes, in October, though, is
36:18
Speaker 1: when Kim and Chris fault the defamation loss to against
36:22
Speaker 1: ray j. So that happened October, which yes, yes, yeah, yes,
36:26
Speaker 1: is a month before the premiere. But we also have
36:33
Speaker 1: to remember that what happened was in May of twenty
36:38
Speaker 1: twenty five, is when he made these allegations, right as
36:43
Speaker 1: he was featured in the TMZ documentary talking about the
36:48
Speaker 1: federal case against Sean Puppy Combs where he did stay
36:53
Speaker 1: and I quote, if you told me that the Kardashians
36:56
Speaker 1: was being charged for racketeering, I might believe it. And
37:00
Speaker 1: then you know, listen Courtney in May, quiet as a
37:03
Speaker 1: church mouse. Nobody said Nate that right. It was then
37:08
Speaker 1: escalated in September of twenty twenty five during a live
37:12
Speaker 1: stream where ray J alleged that he was working with
37:16
Speaker 1: federal authorities to build a racketeering case against Kim Kardashian
37:22
Speaker 1: and Chris Jenner that was, in his worst worse than ditties.
37:27
Speaker 1: At the time, he presented no evidence. So then on
37:30
Speaker 1: October first, right, so he doubled out on it in September.
37:36
Speaker 1: October first is when Kim Kardashian Chris Jenner filed the
37:40
Speaker 1: defamation lawsuit against ray J in Los Angeles Superior Los
37:45
Speaker 1: Angeles County Superior Course. So I don't think this has
37:49
Speaker 1: anything to do with with the promotion of All's Fair.
37:52
Speaker 1: All's Fair. The ratings so far have been great, the
37:56
Speaker 1: reviews have been terrible. But like you, I'm watching it.
37:59
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it.
38:00
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying it.
38:01
Speaker 1: I think I think if i'm if I'm Kim and Chris.
38:08
Speaker 1: In May, you told TMZ in the documentary that if
38:13
Speaker 1: we were charged with the racketeering, you would believe it. Okay,
38:18
Speaker 1: some might say, Okay, he tried it, let's move on, Like,
38:22
Speaker 1: let's move on it.
38:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:26
Speaker 1: Then June July August September, four months later, you go
38:30
Speaker 1: on live stream and you're saying you're working with federal authorities.
38:35
Speaker 1: Now it's like you could be messing up my Skimsdale brand.
38:40
Speaker 1: My children have to see, like, Mami, are you being
38:42
Speaker 1: charged with the racketeering? So I think they have to
38:47
Speaker 1: do something to stop this from brewing, and right, can
38:52
Speaker 1: I just.
38:52
Speaker 4: Put a footnote into the elementary please, dude, just.
38:57
Speaker 2: One more time. We talked about it when we started.
38:59
Speaker 2: But the one.
39:02
Speaker 4: You have to make a statement that can be proven
39:05
Speaker 4: true or false.
39:06
Speaker 2: It is not an opinion, okay, See, it has to
39:12
Speaker 2: be in the public form three.
39:16
Speaker 4: It actually has to be false. But remember there has
39:24
Speaker 4: to be harm. It can be financial or reputationally.
39:30
Speaker 2: But there is another element.
39:32
Speaker 3: When you are.
39:32
Speaker 4: Talking about a public figure. That person had to knowingly
39:40
Speaker 4: make a malicious statement with reckless disregard of the harmit
39:47
Speaker 4: with costs. Those are a lot of elements to prove, right.
39:54
Speaker 4: So again I want to restate that social media, the Internet,
40:02
Speaker 4: text messages, screenshots, SoundBite bites taken out of context is
40:07
Speaker 4: not evidence.
40:10
Speaker 2: And it may not even be admitted as evidence in
40:14
Speaker 2: a court.
40:15
Speaker 4: It has to be authenticated as evidence by a judge
40:20
Speaker 4: and allowed to be presented.
40:24
Speaker 1: How was a judge able to authenticate the validity of
40:28
Speaker 1: something like a text message.
40:30
Speaker 4: Well, it's not the judge that does that actually authenticates it.
40:36
Speaker 4: The judge makes the decision whether it is going to
40:39
Speaker 4: be admitted as authenticated evidence. The lawyers for each side
40:44
Speaker 4: is going to put forward an argument of why it
40:48
Speaker 4: should be admitted.
40:51
Speaker 1: Got it Okay?
40:53
Speaker 4: Well, listen, even though she didn't pass the bar, she
40:57
Speaker 4: is getting a lot of practice within her own personal
41:01
Speaker 4: life in dealing.
41:03
Speaker 2: With this madness. Courtney, shame.
41:10
Speaker 1: Judge, Judge is Courtney. Of course it was shade.
41:16
Speaker 2: Delayed response.
41:22
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. But no, listen, it's one
41:25
Speaker 1: of those things where this is ongoing. And again I
41:29
Speaker 1: just go back to it's so wild because you know,
41:35
Speaker 1: this all happened so many moons ago, and I just
41:42
Speaker 1: feel like we, as you know, the audience, we sort
41:48
Speaker 1: of I feel like, listen, it goes to show you,
41:52
Speaker 1: you know, beyond the work that she has done. And
41:56
Speaker 1: so it has right Jah, I'm not gonna say her
41:57
Speaker 1: by herself, Rank we we love he forgot about it
42:02
Speaker 1: because this all has happened Judge Terry in two thousand
42:07
Speaker 1: and seven, So to know that almost twenty years ago
42:12
Speaker 1: we are dealing with. This is wild to me, but
42:14
Speaker 1: you know, I want to make sure that I, you know,
42:17
Speaker 1: say this legal note. The judge will be proud of
42:19
Speaker 1: me for doing this. As of today, the legal battle
42:26
Speaker 1: is ongoing. A lawyer for Kardashian Jenner has dismissed ray
42:32
Speaker 1: J's counter suit as a frivolous and raveling distraction, and
42:38
Speaker 1: both sides are now formally engage in litigation. The court
42:45
Speaker 1: will need to determine the validity of both the defamation
42:50
Speaker 1: and breach of contract claims as the case proceeds.
42:56
Speaker 4: And again, I want to go back to the timeline
42:58
Speaker 4: because I know that you mentioned has happened so long ago, right,
43:03
Speaker 4: But Courtney mentioned that there was a new contract that
43:09
Speaker 4: was negotiated in twenty twenty three.
43:11
Speaker 2: That's not that long ago.
43:13
Speaker 1: Well, and just so I'm clear the contract that was
43:16
Speaker 1: allegedly negotiate, because this is ray J's plan, was it
43:20
Speaker 1: was a settlement for him saying he was the fame
43:27
Speaker 1: on the Kardashians. Because I want to make sure holds.
43:32
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I say exactly what he
43:37
Speaker 1: alleged that was said on the show. One second, because
43:42
Speaker 1: it was it was it was a word that they
43:44
Speaker 1: used on the show, and I want to make sure
43:48
Speaker 1: that I'd say exactly what he is saying he heard
43:54
Speaker 1: or what they said on the show.
43:56
Speaker 4: Which may would violate the no discussion provision. And based
44:00
Speaker 4: off of that settlement, what did they say?
44:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing my research now, okayfession.
44:10
Speaker 4: Has confidentiality clauses in contracts that prevents people from speaking
44:18
Speaker 4: about the matter. And again, generally, if you have a
44:23
Speaker 4: breach a contract, there's going to generally be some kind
44:27
Speaker 4: of monetary damages involved if you have been ruled.
44:32
Speaker 2: To actually breach that contract.
44:35
Speaker 4: Not often, but sometimes there can be punitive damages awarded.
44:40
Speaker 2: Again, but the conduct would have had to be a greecious.
44:44
Speaker 1: Yes, So this is what it was on the Kardashian
44:47
Speaker 1: episode that aired April twenty twenty two. On the show,
44:51
Speaker 1: it his complained. The complaint claims that Kardashian said ray
44:56
Speaker 1: J gave their leak sex tape which he knows he
44:59
Speaker 1: never present as to his former manager, and that he
45:04
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted her while she was asleep.
45:08
Speaker 3: Oh and there was a settlement.
45:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, so then, j Okay, So that states may involved
45:16
Speaker 4: civil and criminal allegations.
45:19
Speaker 1: Yes, so ray J and this is all in the
45:22
Speaker 1: this is all public record, ray J states that he
45:24
Speaker 1: messaged Kardashian on Instagram in April twenty twenty two to
45:29
Speaker 1: confront her about the remarks made about him on The
45:32
Speaker 1: Kardashians Kardashian This is, according to him, He's alleging that
45:36
Speaker 1: Kardashian begged him to go along with yet another false
45:39
Speaker 1: story that she wanted to run on the show, that
45:42
Speaker 1: they were working with Vivid to remove the sex tape
45:44
Speaker 1: from the Internet, and then when ray J subsequently sued
45:49
Speaker 1: Kardashian Jenna over the statements, the trio reached a settlement
45:53
Speaker 1: in April twenty twenty three. Per the following According to
45:57
Speaker 1: the cross complaint, kardashianer and their production company allegedly agreed
46:02
Speaker 1: to pay ray J six million dollars to ensure that
46:06
Speaker 1: no further mention or public reference to the sex tape
46:09
Speaker 1: is mentioned on The Kardashians, and any further disparagement entitles
46:14
Speaker 1: ray J two one million dollars in liquid ted damages.
46:20
Speaker 1: So this will be ongoing. Listen, this is this is
46:26
Speaker 1: like Courney said, this seems like an episode all fair
46:29
Speaker 1: which rain droft. You can catch on Hulu every Tuesday night.
46:35
Speaker 1: Just Tarranny Courtney Parker Corney Parker says she'll be watching.
46:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I will say it as we lead, just
46:43
Speaker 4: because you guys loved it so much. Just remember that
46:47
Speaker 4: the courtroom is quiet in social media because the courtroom
46:51
Speaker 4: is where the real decisions will be made.
46:53
Speaker 1: Amen, herey here we all right, rain drop. That's another
46:58
Speaker 1: episode Reality Crime Stories, and we'll see you next time
47:03
Speaker 1: with another one. Reality with the King is executive produced
47:10
Speaker 1: by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a
47:14
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