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#342: Carrie (2002) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello. What's your least favorite scary
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  movie? If they do something in a
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  Freddie Prince junior movie, we shouldn't do it in real life.
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  Absolutely. Well, they don't.
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  movie rightfully has its fanbase.
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  Even if we don't always get it. My name's Travis, my name's
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  Jesse, and welcome back to promo Woo woo.
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  So today we are doing our Patreon voted episode.
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  We are covering Kerry 2002 by way of announcements.
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  We have to be or not to be this weekend.
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  Yeah, it's coming up this weekend, so.
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  Be able to. Look after that my pick.
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  Gotta see where I can find prom wise on to be.
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  We've already got one saved on the list.
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  We we kept it there. Remember?
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  Like we're going to save this for to be prom month.
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  It better still be. There, yeah.
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  I I don't think that one's going anywhere, OK.
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  It's one of those movies that lives there.
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  All right, so other than that, hopefully we've done our
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  announcement for next week's episode.
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  And if we haven't, then I guess you're just going to find out
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  the franchise next week. Yeah, and you'll.
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  Just see then. But it also means we'll have a
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  wrap up coming up soon of our Final Destination franchise, so
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  be on lookout for that. Time set on the schedule.
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  Yeah, that'll probably be to be weekend, right.
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  So this weekend, yeah, be on lookout for that.
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  That'll. Be that all right?
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  Anything from you? I don't have anything.
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  OK, well then let's get into Carrie 2002.
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  Carrie released or premiered, whichever you prefer to say, on
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  November 4th, 2002. As of May 16th, you can watch it
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  on YouTube, Pluto, TVMGM plus Vicks.
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  Not Vaporub. That's via, Oh yeah, Fubo TV,
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  Sling TV, Prime, YouTube TV, Philo.
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  All of those subscriptions require an add on because this
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  is an MGM movie. So basically you need The MGM
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  plus add on. You can also rent it from
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  Fandango at home, Apple TV or Google TV.
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  We watched it on Tubi Tubi. And that's not even showing up
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  on this list. Wow, cool Internet.
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  OK Written by Bryan Fuller, Based on the novel by Stephen
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  King, directed by David Carson, Music by Laura Cartman, special
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  effects makeup by Rachel Griffin.
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  Starring Angela Bettis as Carrietta.
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  Carrie White Patricia Clarkson is Margaret White.
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  Rena Sofer is Miss Desjardins. Candace McClure is Sue Snell.
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  Emily de Raven is Chris Hargenson.
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  Tobias Miller is Tommy Ross. Travis.
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  Time for our favorite game on the show budget.
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  Or Bud, I say bugdad. Yeah, I don't have any
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  information for it 'cause it was made for TV movie.
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  Yeah, that's the tell for me. But also just look at this
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  thing. And I, I don't, I don't have box
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  office information either, but I can tell you that 12.21 million
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  viewers watched it. Oh, that's cool.
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  I like that for our TV movies where we have like that right
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  there, that's their. Right, eyes on screen.
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  Yeah, yeah. INDB score 5.4 out of 10. 5.4
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  Wow, OK. I pulled 3 movies from 2002
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  trying to look at a similar theme and I decided to go with
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  Vengeance with a supernatural twist.
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  Oh fun so. Cool.
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  And there were actually quite a few of those.
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  Pick from two of them are movies we have covered.
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  Well, all three of them are movies we have covered
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  previously, but two of them are 2B movies.
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  Oh, perfect. All right, cool.
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  Let's hear it. The.
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  First one's witchcraft. Yeah, witchcraft.
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  Oh I fucking love that movie, man.
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  Witchcraft released September 25th, 2002.
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  A budget of 5 million worldwide gross of 329,000.
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  If I remember, sorry I don't mean to interrupt, but isn't
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  isn't the whole crux of that thing they find like a magic
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  penis? Yep.
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  OK, and if you're if you're unsure, if you don't want to
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  take the time to listen to the episode, just go read our the
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  auto generated chapter titles. Oh yeah, that's right.
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  I forgot. Yeah.
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  IMDb score 5.2 out of 10. Yes, second movie has multiple
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  names. Could be Survivor Survival
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  Island or it could be Demon Island.
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  Oh yeah, Demon Island. That movie was actually OK.
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  It was pretty fun it. Was pretty fun that released
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  June 14th 2002. I also don't have a budget or a
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  gross for it. It does have a 2.6 out of 10 on
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  IMDb. Oh yeah.
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  I mean, it's not like a great movie.
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  It's a fun movie. It's a fun movie.
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  It's not. It's not here for a good time.
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  It's here for a fun time. My favorite part about that
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  movie is the poster where they took like a shredded dude and
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  put like Xander's actor's face on the head.
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  I. Mean, Nicholas, Brendan.
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  He's shredded a little bit, but he wasn't.
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  It was not him. It's so obvious that it's a
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  Photoshop. 3rd movie almost feels kind of unfair in terms of
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  what they were working with to put it with these.
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  But we're looking at themes, right?
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  So the Ring. That released.
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  Yeah that released October 18th, 2002.
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  A budget of 48 million and a worldwide gross of 249,000,000.
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  IMDb 7.1 out of 10. Love it, also fits in a remake.
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  It does, yeah. OK, I have a few tag lines.
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  OK. Make a date with terror and have
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  a bloody good time. It's kind of rude to carry.
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  It is, yeah. If you've got a taste for
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  terror, take Carrie to the prom. Again.
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  If people just weren't Dicks to carry, she was a lovely.
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  Prom. Date.
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  Yeah, it would have just been like a fine prom.
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  Yeah, that's all. Everybody was.
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  Like to not go through the effort of setting up an
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  elaborate pig blood trap. Everybody was cool until that
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  one person wasn't. Yeah, and then it just too far.
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  For a night you won't forget, join Kerry at the prom.
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  I don't know why I'm saying I'm like that but.
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  I don't know. It does have like a sinister
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  tone to it. But you know, that could go
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  either way though. Like you're going to have a
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  great. Time like I think he's having a
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  pretty. Good time with her.
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  I think he was, yeah. He, he felt threatened by the
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  teacher. So he like, he kind of had to
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  have a good time with her or else.
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  Yeah, there was that. Yeah, Carrie.
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  Good girl, evil powers. Her powers aren't evil.
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  Yeah, it's really kind of how you use them.
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  Yeah, if only they knew she had the power.
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  I mean, she was kind of showing it to them here.
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  And yeah, like, they just had to pay more attention.
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  Like really, a lot of this could just be addressed.
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  Felt like don't be assholes. Yeah, really.
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  But I mean, she was making it so clear.
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  She's like, I like broke my desk in half.
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  Like I I've thrown shit around. This That's how little they pay
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  attention to. Her.
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  I know it's telling. OK, so this was.
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  I've got some fun facts. Yeah.
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  So this was ATV movie requested by NBC.
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  It was an international Co production by Canada and the US,
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  produced by Trilogy Entertainment Group and MGM
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  Television. So it's a joint effort.
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  It was commissioned as a standalone movie, but it was
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  truthfully intended as kind of a Packdoor pilot for ATV series.
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  And that's why they changed the ending for Carrie to live.
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  OK now. Brian Fuller played around with
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  a few different ending ideas. One of them was to give Zeus
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  Nelson powers and the other was to create a new carry.
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  But in the end, they felt that it was really cruel to kill off
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  a girl who had been victimized her entire life, which I think
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  is, you know, that's part of the tragedy of the novel.
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  Yeah. So I mean, yeah, it's, I don't
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  like either tragic. I don't, I don't like any of
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  these endings here. Like, I didn't, I hated that
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  ending where they're like on the land together, you know?
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  Like, yeah, that makes sense that it's a backdoor pilot,
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  though. Yeah.
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  And like, so they, they really thought Angela Bettis like, they
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  did a much different kind of portrayal.
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  Whereas Sissy Spacek, like really embodied the victim role.
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  Angela Bettis had a little bit of a like nicer edge to her is
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  what they said. Like a nicer and edgier tone to
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  her. OK.
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  So that's kind of how they felt about her portrayal.
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  King was not involved in this. He was very disappointed by the
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  rage Carrie too and he often not to be involved in this
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  adaptation. I'm sorry, King I I blamed you
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  for this in the first place. The only other fun fact I have
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  is that this was, you know, it was considered a reimagining of
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  the 70s movies. They had to update a lot of the
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  school stuff from the 70s. They had to modernize it some,
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  but they were also very careful into taking into account the
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  Columbine shootings 'cause it was still very much on people's
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  mind and he didn't want to lean into heavily to the whole
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  teenage vigilante thing. Yeah, yeah.
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  I guess I can't remember. I mean, that was fairly fresh.
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  So yeah, that makes sense. That's.
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  Why her rampage was a little bit different.
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  I mean, it was still more of the same.
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  I mean, yeah, but that's, that's what I had.
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  OK? That's the information from the
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  Internet. What's the information for my
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  brains? What's the good, bad, ugly and
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  absurd? OK, the good, I'm going to be up
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  front with this right here. The good is going to be on the
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  shorter side for me, OK. But the one thing I can say
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  about it is that it's I think it benefits from being like an
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  already well told story because at the heart of it, it's a
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  really good revenge story. And that is that part still
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  shines through in this movie. But the execution is a little
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  bit to be desired for me. Man, I don't know, like I I
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  don't have a whole lot good to say about this movie myself and
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  I'm really struggling to think of anything else.
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  So like add to this. So if you got anything you want
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  to jump in with here, feel free. OK, well I did like the
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  performances from most of the cast members.
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  OK. I thought Angela Bettis
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  especially, like she had some some really good moments where
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  she was being the more ballsy Carrie.
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  And I appreciated us seeing those, like when Sue Snell was
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  talking to her in the drugstore and helping her with the makeup.
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  And she goes, you act like you think you're superior to me, but
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  it's OK because you're not like little ones like that.
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  I kind of like, I don't. And I'll get into.
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  I don't think her performance is all around stellar.
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  I'm saying these vulnerable. No, I got you.
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  I got you. I get what you're saying.
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  I thought they did the fake nice mean girl thing really well.
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  There are just a lot of really subtle moments throughout that
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  if you've been a teenage girl, you recognize as teenage girl
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  warfare. And so I thought that was really
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  well done. Yeah, you probably caught that
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  stuff more than I did, for sure. And then there were also just
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  some things, I don't know if these are intentional or if it
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  was a budgetary issue, but things that added a sense of
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  realism to the movie, like all of the girls in the locker room
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  having different kinds of towels.
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  Because I feel like when you see it, like when you see a movie,
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  generally they all have like white towels like this, all from
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  a hotel or something. Yeah.
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  This really truly feels like a brought your towel from home
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  situation, which is what it would be like in most schools.
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  Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah.
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  And also carries dress fabric, like the dress that she makes
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  herself, the dress being so wrinkly and kind of stiff.
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  It just felt so true to life. OK, so these are a lot of things
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  that you can definitely notice that went over my head for.
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  Sure. I pay attention to Yeah, like
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  her dress definitely looked like when I don't get the exact right
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  material for a project and I don't wanna deal with ironing or
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  steaming it. That's what she got with the
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  dress, and I really appreciated that.
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  OK, so what's some of your bad? OK, hold on.
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  I will give them one other point here.
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  I think that they actually did a pretty good job of updating the
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  time. Yes, again, they made it work
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  like she does, like the Internet research for telekinesis and
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  stuff like that. That makes sense.
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  I did think it was kind of funny though in the librarian who's
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  like an older little lady with one head to show her.
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  Head yeah. Can you show me how to Internet?
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  Like I guess that would kind of be how it is in 2002.
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  Like, yeah, in 2002 I was, I think I was pretty good with the
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  computer at that point. Yeah.
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  But no, I don't know. OK, so bad.
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  Unfortunately, this movie just had a very cheap feel to me.
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  I I just don't think that like it's Scream TV movie, but it
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  didn't just Scream TV movie to me.
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  It screams like classic Hallmark movie to me.
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  Oh, I can see that, yeah. It's just all of these things
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  that add up. The cinematography, like I don't
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  understand what this person was doing, but this fucking person,
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  the DP loved Dutch angles like the little like it's like
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  tilted. Oh, OK.
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  Where it's like a little bit like diagonal, like the framing
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  of The thing is, and it's just like too much.
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  Like know your time and place for those right there.
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  It was just a little bit. Yeah, it was a little bit too
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  much for me. I thought the acting was pretty
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  lackluster. The worst one was the evil
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  boyfriend. Oh yeah, no, Billy Nolan.
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  What the fuck? Terrible fucking acting.
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  I'm sorry man. Like I don't want to be harsh on
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  this person but. He doesn't even have a picture
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  on IMDb. He doesn't know this is probably
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  his own. He they need.
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  They were desperate for people. I think that guy.
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  Which is weird because you also have people like Catherine
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  Isabel and Patricia Clarkson that are involved in this.
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  Yeah, you got some like. Stellar.
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  Yeah. Actors in this, it's kind of
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  surprising to me, even like I can't remember her name, but the
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  person that played Carrie. Angela Bettis, yeah, Also.
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  She's been in like some pretty notable stuff too.
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  She was in another horror movie this year too that I almost used
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  in my yeah. Yeah, I recognize her from that.
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  I've not even seen that movie, but I know that poster so well.
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  And I also just, you know, there's just other things like
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  music too. Like the music choices were
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  really, really questionable for me sometimes.
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  Like it's just like they went with very of that era music,
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  which I thought was weird for that type of story.
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  And I think that's one of those things you're going to like go
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  back and listen to like some of the scenes, like the placement.
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  But it was something that was so out of place for me and jarring
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  that I just. Stuff like that always kind of
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  screams TV movie to me. Yeah, same.
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  And it just kind of killed the tone for me.
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  Like any immersion was broken whenever I would hear this
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  stupid song that was playing. And one thing that like, OK, I
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  don't want to just like constantly be like, I like the
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  original better. Therefore this movie is just
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  inferior because of that. It's just.
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  Hard not. To it's really hard not to, but
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  here's one thing that I liked that the the original did that I
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  wish they would have done in this one is how Tommy in the
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  original 1, it's like more ambiguous like is he in on the
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  prank? Is he like, I felt like they
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  did, they played a little bit more ambiguous, like the entire
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  time I was questioning like if he actually wanted to be around
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  with her, they made him actually enjoy being with her in that
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  one. And this one right here, he's
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  very much like being. Forced by Sue.
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  He's being forced by Miss Deja. And like, he doesn't seem like
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  he wants to be a part of it. And I've got something about
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  that that I'll talk about in my ugly.
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  OK, but I I like the way I like Tommy's portrayal in the
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  original, the original a lot better just because like, I
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  mean, there was a long time I was thinking like this guy is
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  totally going to fuck her over because he like they made him an
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  asshole in this movie. Like when we get Tommy
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  immediately he's like defending Carrie being picked on, you
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  know, because he like throws a book at the guy and I don't
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  know, like I just I thought that that made for a better, more
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  interesting movie in the in that one.
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  OK, that's it for my bad. But what do you have?
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  This movie didn't need to be over 2 hours long.
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  Oh my God, it's so fucking long but it's a Stephen King TV movie
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  and they always. You're thinking of the
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  miniseries, which are always 2 parters.
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  That's what you're thinking of. This is not a miniseries.
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  So this is all like just one night.
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  Everybody watch this. And I didn't talk about this in
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  my fun facts because I didn't want it to like color our
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  discussion of this. But this movie was it received a
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  lot of awards, mainly for like the performances, but it was
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  panned partly because of atmosphere, partly because of
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  length. OK, so critically, this was not
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  a super well received movie. And that's one of the reasons
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  why. And I, I, I get it.
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  It feels very, it drags on. If you're going to use that
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  flashback motif, you cannot do it for longer than two hours.
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  Like you can't do it for longer than about an hour because at
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  some point the past has to meet the present.
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  And we don't ever get that in this.
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  So there's never like a resolution to that.
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  And also, I can't tell what kind of tone they were trying to have
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  because it was all over the place a little bit.
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  It was also, I think, unnecessary to add like the
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  police station questioning scenes like this is just a way
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  to frame like the story we're watching unfold in the 1st.
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  It's like we didn't need that. And I'm going to be very
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  transparent here. I've read the book, but I last
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  read it in high school, so that was 16 years ago.
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  So I don't remember how I remember that.
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  There were a lot of like newspaper clippings and stuff
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  framing the story, but I don't remember if there was like
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  excessive police station stuff or not.
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  Gotcha. See, I've never, I've never read
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  the story. Yeah, it's a short 1 and I
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  really should go back and reread it, but every time I think about
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  it, it's too close to prom month and I don't want to.
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  I I get so negatively impacted when I watch a movie after
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  reading the book versus the other way around 'cause I I as
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  much of a hard time as we were just talking about having
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  comparing this to the to the 1970s one, the the De Palmas
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  theory. I have a very, very hard time
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  separating book and movie, especially when it comes to
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  Stephen King adaptations. And I've discovered I just need
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  to watch the movie before I read the book.
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  That's pretty much the only way that I can actually enjoy the
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  movie. Yep, I I get that.
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  But yeah, those that that wasn't my main thing like it just I
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  when it started the way it started, I was like, oh, cool,
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  we're settled in for an easy hour and a half because you
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  can't the way that what I did not know how long it was.
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  We paused that 45 minutes into the movie and we had an hour and
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  a half left and you're like what the fuck?
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  Yeah, 'cause it just that story doesn't need that runtime.
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  No it doesn't. OK, ugly.
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  Ugly, I just wrote. Do I really have to say?
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  I mean, it's, I mean, it's the whole point of the movie, like
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  the excessive bullying of this character.
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  These people are just like, they're not even cartoonishly.
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  You mean it's just like it's to like a whole another level.
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  Like I, I don't think that this type of like cruelty in school
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  is realistic. You know what I mean?
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  Like I I know people can be super, super mean in school, but
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  like the the links that they go. I can tell you that that's going
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  to be more accurate to the book, just knowing how Stephen King
• 18:58
  writes, even without having reread this in a long time.
• 19:01
  He loves an over the top, cartoonishly evil bully.
• 19:04
  Does he? Yeah.
• 19:05
  But I mean, part of that's because he's telling a scary
• 19:07
  story. And what's more evil than a
• 19:09
  teenager? I guess that's true.
• 19:10
  That's a great point. Yeah.
• 19:12
  But I mean, yeah, I mean that that's pretty much it.
• 19:14
  Also the mom. Oh yeah, religious abuse and
• 19:18
  abuse. Abuse.
• 19:21
  So we've got, it's so funny that Patricia Clarkson, she plays one
• 19:25
  of my least favorite movie moms in Margaret White, but she also
• 19:31
  plays Emma Stone's mom in Easy A and that is like, I love her
• 19:36
  parents in that movie, The way they're written and portrayed.
• 19:39
  And you said she's also Tammy one?
• 19:41
  And she's Tammy one. She's got, she's got range, is
• 19:45
  what we're saying. Yeah, although Tammy 1 is very
• 19:48
  close to Margaret. Wyatt Oh, yeah, no, definitely
• 19:50
  more on that that end of the spectrum.
• 19:52
  Also, and this is what I was going to say before about the
• 19:55
  way Tommy treats Carrie in this. The way he talks to her is the
• 19:58
  way you would talk to a dog. Like he doesn't talk to her like
• 20:01
  she's human. The most human he gets with her
• 20:04
  is when he's like, it's not like your ceiling claps.
• 20:06
  She goes. Yeah, my ceiling class, he goes,
• 20:08
  can I see it? That's something that was like
• 20:10
  human. He plays with the rest of the
• 20:12
  time he's like, you want dance? You want some punch?
• 20:14
  So imagine like when he you look real pretty goes like gets in a
• 20:16
  punch, brings it back in a bowl. Like you go just like look it
• 20:20
  up, you know, like that's how you guys drink, right?
• 20:22
  You scoop it with your tongue. Like, and I think we're even
• 20:24
  less pandering to Talia than he is.
• 20:26
  Weird Talia lives a better life than us.
• 20:29
  In his house, yeah. She's got a higher budget.
• 20:32
  OK, What's your answer? So back to like the bullying,
• 20:36
  but I thought it was like very much high school PSA levels of
• 20:40
  unoriginal type bullying. Oh yeah, it just.
• 20:43
  They took away the plug it up, they put it on the locker, but
• 20:46
  they took away them chanting plug it up and instead they just
• 20:49
  shout period at her. That's a downgrade.
• 20:52
  Yeah, it's just like, yeah, like I just.
• 21:00
  I can't. We're going to get into a lot of
• 21:02
  this stupid shit in a little bit.
• 21:05
  But I also thought it was really fucking weird that her mom says
• 21:08
  that only bad girls get big boobs.
• 21:11
  What? Because they're dirty pillows.
• 21:14
  But like they're. Beacons of sin, Travis.
• 21:16
  I like how that one girl calls her and she's like whoa her
• 21:19
  mom's a hypocrite because she's got C coughs.
• 21:21
  And Carrie's like, no, my mom said that she, she's a Sinner.
• 21:25
  She is a bad girl. That's how she had me.
• 21:27
  That's true. Yeah.
• 21:29
  That's so weird to me, though. Like she's like a very, very
• 21:33
  like, it's not even like actually following the religion
• 21:35
  at that point. She thinks like procreating is a
• 21:37
  sin. Well, that's funny because you
• 21:40
  want to hear my absurd. Yeah, my absurd is during one of
• 21:44
  Margaret's monologues to carry where she says Jesus can't help
• 21:49
  you with your sin. Oh yeah, we talked about it for
• 21:53
  like 5 minutes here and then we were like, that's kind of like
• 21:56
  that's his thing, That's his main thing.
• 21:58
  That and carpentry, like those are the big things that Jesus
• 22:03
  does, helps with sin. Very forgiving.
• 22:06
  Yes, it's. God, that is not very.
• 22:08
  Forgiving. Yes.
• 22:09
  God's like fuck yeah God. Old Testament, No having a child
• 22:14
  really softened. Jesus.
• 22:15
  Jesus is the mediator. He's like, hold on, hold on.
• 22:17
  I know him. I can talk.
• 22:19
  To him, Dad, Dad, this is my friend.
• 22:21
  But they sin but but. They know not.
• 22:26
  What they have done, we're going to hell.
• 22:31
  And God's like, oh, oh, OK, my bad.
• 22:39
  OK, this is going on all right. Also the Freddie Prince junior
• 22:43
  argument sound. It's it's not an incorrect.
• 22:47
  Argument very, very accurate. Yeah.
• 22:50
  But I I didn't expect that. And that was another incident of
• 22:54
  it being like a modernized version, like Freddie Prinze
• 22:57
  Junior is like a very big influence on this movie, which
• 23:01
  is insane to me. And I, I even said it.
• 23:04
  I pointed out that like, sometimes he smiles and he's got
• 23:06
  like almost a Freddie Prinze? Junior asks.
• 23:09
  He's trying to channel. It and it feels, yeah, it
• 23:10
  definitely feels like he's trying to channel it.
• 23:12
  And the final thing? Meteors I read OK that is the
• 23:17
  thing in the book apparently Apparently it is but what the
• 23:20
  fuck? I was just like OK watching
• 23:23
  Carrie I know how this story goes.
• 23:25
  Immediately title card meteors falling through the Carrie sign.
• 23:28
  Like what the. Fuck, was that from the book?
• 23:31
  I know I was like honestly, I couldn't tell you.
• 23:32
  I well at. First I was like, OK, this is
• 23:34
  stylized 2000s, all right? We're getting a little extreme
• 23:38
  with an X here, you know, like. 2.
• 23:42
  X's Exactly. Yeah.
• 23:43
  But like, then whenever the moment happens, like Carrie gets
• 23:47
  in an argument with her mom and all of a sudden meteors start
• 23:49
  falling from the sky. I'm like, oh, so this is, like,
• 23:51
  actually a thing? We're not just being stylized.
• 23:54
  Like, it's just like a part of the story.
• 23:55
  And then never again. Well, yeah, twice.
• 24:00
  Twice in the movie. Meteors.
• 24:03
  Yeah, the beginning of the movie.
• 24:04
  And then when Margaret beats the ever loving shit out of Carrie
• 24:09
  when she's talking to us still about her boobs.
• 24:11
  Yeah, it's just, it's crazy to me.
• 24:13
  So. OK, where are your absurds?
• 24:15
  That was it. Oh, that was your absurd.
• 24:17
  OK, OK. I thought you had more.
• 24:18
  OK. Not that Jesus is absurd, but
• 24:21
  the the argument that Jesus can't help you with your sins.
• 24:23
  I know, man, Jesus has got your back.
• 24:27
  Yeah, that's what they need to start saying in church.
• 24:30
  Jesus has your back. I'd wear that on AT shirt.
• 24:34
  On the back. On the back.
• 24:35
  Yeah, that's where he's got me. Oh.
• 24:38
  My God, don't steal that idea. God damn Jesse, we can grip.
• 24:42
  We can grip so hard now. What are you rating it?
• 24:46
  I didn't like this like I, I, I really didn't like it.
• 24:50
  Just it's a four. 4 I'm giving it A5 OK?
• 24:55
  Like it's right there. Like it's not the worst, but I
• 24:58
  don't know that it's one that I'd come back to again.
• 25:00
  I would never. Watch I would watch the De
• 25:02
  Palmas on. I'm interested to see next year
• 25:04
  how we feel about the the 2013. Yeah, 'cause we have watched
• 25:09
  that one before, but it's been so long I can't remember
• 25:12
  anything. We saw that one in theater.
• 25:14
  We did. OK, time to talk.
• 25:16
  All right, what's the average? 04.54.5 OK sorry I thought you
• 25:20
  knew that you're an accountant. Well, I did, but you gotta say
• 25:23
  it for the other people, the non accountants out there, sure.
• 25:25
  OK, I'm sorry non accountants. Yeah, OK, let's go.
• 25:30
  We start off with the baby crying and asteroids meteors.
• 25:33
  Yeah, buddy, birth, followed by the comments.
• 25:35
  Yeah. That's that's the Bible forge.
• 25:39
  Yeah. Let me get to.
• 25:42
  OK. Good detective interviewing Sue
• 25:44
  Snell. He talks a lot about drugs and
• 25:46
  doughnuts, which seems like it would be a good time, except he
• 25:49
  knows she's kind of being questioned for murder, so.
• 25:53
  Yeah. Carrie is being made fun of a
• 25:57
  lot. The first thing we see here is
• 25:58
  being teased because she's excused from class because her
• 26:02
  mom, you know, wrote for her to be excused from this class.
• 26:05
  And everybody was like, really just being.
• 26:08
  That like why? Well, what's the basis for being
• 26:11
  made fun of here? This is what I'm talking about,
• 26:14
  Yeah. It's just so we get like another
• 26:18
  guy. It's like another day in school.
• 26:19
  She's over there doodling. She's in the.
• 26:21
  Library. That's where she went went to
• 26:23
  when she was excused from class. Oh OK, well she's doodling like
• 26:27
  a picture of her and Tommy. She's crushing hard on Tommy
• 26:29
  right here and a couple of other boys noticed that she's kind of
• 26:33
  like looking at him so they start making like little kissy
• 26:35
  sounds at her. They start no, it turns into
• 26:38
  full blown sexual harassment. Actually, you're right.
• 26:40
  He's he's starts moaning. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
• 26:42
  I forgot about that. Yeah, he's.
• 26:43
  Doing like a full on orgasm and then Tommy throws a book at his
• 26:46
  face. In PE.
• 26:47
  They're playing softball and Carrie strikes out and everybody
• 26:50
  takes it way too seriously because again, it's PE.
• 26:53
  It's just gym class. Like why are they?
• 26:56
  Stakes are they could not be lower you.
• 26:58
  Fucking suck Carrie. Like what?
• 27:00
  Nobody is that invested in PE softball?
• 27:03
  I'm sorry, it's just not a thing.
• 27:07
  I OK, no. So in Jim Coston High school we
• 27:10
  did play like flag football or something one time and there
• 27:14
  were these girls that were taking it way too seriously, but
• 27:16
  it probably one of them yelled at me cuz hello me football.
• 27:20
  No yeah. And I was just like, what
• 27:24
  happens if we lose and they didn't have a response?
• 27:28
  And the gym teacher was like, you, you diffuse that really
• 27:30
  well. I was like, yeah, thank you.
• 27:31
  Like, but also, I don't care. Like no offense to you and your
• 27:34
  job, but I don't care about football.
• 27:36
  Like, yeah. I don't.
• 27:39
  I don't feel any sense of like myself has disappeared with not
• 27:44
  being good at flag football. Which is weird because you're a
• 27:46
  super competitive person. I am super competitive, but you
• 27:49
  know, I have to channel that entertain into the things I
• 27:52
  know. I.
• 27:52
  That you actually care. About.
• 27:53
  Yeah, yeah. OK.
• 27:56
  So they go, they have to shower after gym class.
• 27:59
  And I appreciate that the stalls actually were stalls and not
• 28:02
  just open like every shower or whatever.
• 28:05
  Yeah, and Carrie gets her period and instead of cause like in the
• 28:10
  book and obviously in the original, the tampon machines
• 28:13
  broken. So they busted open to steal a
• 28:16
  bunch of tampons and they're pelting them at her and shouting
• 28:19
  plug it up, plug it up, just surrounding her and shouting
• 28:22
  period. Yes, traumatic, definitely still
• 28:26
  a bad time. But how do you take a formula
• 28:28
  like that and make it worse? I feel bad for her because she
• 28:32
  doesn't even know what a period is so in her mind they're just
• 28:34
  like yelling punctuation at her. Like what are you talking about?
• 28:38
  What did I get wrong? Did I forget a period?
• 28:40
  Even when you know what a period is, there is still like a slight
• 28:45
  moment of existential dread the first time it happened.
• 28:48
  I'm sure. What the fuck.
• 28:49
  Like, you know, mentally, intellectually what it is, but
• 28:53
  actually experiencing it is still terrifying the first time.
• 28:57
  I I can only imagine it would be terrifying.
• 29:00
  Yeah, the coach helps, kind of. She, Mr. Jardin, I like, she
• 29:08
  constantly pulls me to her side and then pushes me away.
• 29:12
  I never know how to feel about the way she treats Carrie
• 29:15
  because she's like helping Carrie.
• 29:17
  And then Carrie is like hysterical and so she slaps her
• 29:20
  and I'm just like. I think that they they saw the
• 29:25
  slapping in the original movie and like we got to have her slap
• 29:28
  somebody, but they made it the wrong person because she needed
• 29:30
  to slap. Chris yeah.
• 29:34
  But all she does is like pin Chris up against like the Walker
• 29:36
  or something later. She still gets physical.
• 29:39
  She still crosses the boundary. Yeah.
• 29:41
  But yeah, like slap and carry here.
• 29:44
  I don't, I don't, I don't agree with it.
• 29:46
  Well, and in the book, there's one thing I do remember is that
• 29:48
  Mister Jardin has like weird feelings about Carrie.
• 29:52
  So like she's mostly like, I don't like the way she's
• 29:54
  treated, but she's also like she I don't want her grabbing me
• 29:57
  like she was like getting period blood all over her.
• 29:59
  I mean, I think that that's kind of like fair.
• 30:01
  Yeah, I've been like, no, don't touch me.
• 30:03
  Yeah, All right, so they're in the principal's office.
• 30:06
  They're talking about everything.
• 30:07
  The principal keeps calling Carrie Cassie, which is starting
• 30:10
  to piss Carrie off. And like, so Mr. Jardin is like,
• 30:13
  she didn't even know what was happening to her own body is not
• 30:16
  OK. And the Prince is like, listen,
• 30:17
  we can't educate her against her mom's like, wishes.
• 30:20
  And I would argue that that's the whole fucking point of
• 30:23
  public school. Yeah, that's why I thought too.
• 30:25
  Yeah. You're supposed to learn about
• 30:26
  the things, especially the things that parents aren't
• 30:28
  teaching their kids. Yeah, in in today's life, she
• 30:32
  would just be homeschooled. I get, yeah, well, I guess it's
• 30:35
  probably like a touchy because of the religious exemption
• 30:38
  should like that they could do, you know, they could get in a
• 30:41
  lot of trouble if they really tried to do that.
• 30:43
  But they do excuse her from gym for a week and he keeps calling
• 30:46
  her Cassie like you said and she doesn't like it.
• 30:49
  Gets so mad she throws the desk like she just like rows it up
• 30:53
  against the wall over there and they all are like, just all
• 30:56
  right, we're going to pretend like that didn't happen, right?
• 30:58
  Well, because, I mean, she didn't actually physically do
• 31:00
  it. Yeah, but they can't be like
• 31:02
  Cassie. Don't be throwing desks.
• 31:04
  That's not what I'm saying. Nobody's reacting like holy
• 31:06
  shit, that desk just moved on its own.
• 31:08
  Everybody's like, OK, this is totally normal.
• 31:10
  Let's not even acknowledge this. She goes to her locker and plug
• 31:15
  it up, his graffiti on it and hundreds of tampons are just
• 31:20
  stacked up in there. That's everybody in the hallway
• 31:24
  is laughing at her. They're laughing.
• 31:27
  They're. Laughing.
• 31:28
  They're Detroiters. They're laughing.
• 31:32
  So she's walking home and there's this kid on a bike and
• 31:35
  he is like, he passes her and he's like, hold, hold on, I'm
• 31:38
  going to turn around and hold her.
• 31:42
  Like he doesn't even go to the high school, he's like 6th grade
• 31:46
  at best. He's like, oh, this person looks
• 31:48
  like they need this right now. Hold on, let me do my civil
• 31:51
  duty. And that honestly, he's lucky he
• 31:56
  didn't get a Roundhouse kick to the face, which is what somebody
• 31:59
  can sneak up. I'm like, that would be
• 32:00
  completely entitled to do. But instead she just mind throws
• 32:04
  him. Mind freak, she's.
• 32:08
  Criss Angel. Mind freak but it's so so bad
• 32:13
  when he gets tossed from the bike though.
• 32:15
  Like they didn't slow motion but it's like they shot it real time
• 32:19
  so it's like dangling on the wires just so slowly through the
• 32:22
  air. He probably couldn't.
• 32:24
  Have a kid that young do like a stunt where he just eats himself
• 32:28
  off the bike. Surely not.
• 32:29
  No, you can't mind. Freak that kid.
• 32:31
  Like, come on. So she gets home and she sees
• 32:36
  like a holes in her roof and wearing like a hole on the
• 32:40
  railing of her stairs. And for a minute I thought this
• 32:43
  was just demonstrating that they take such poor care of their
• 32:46
  house that like erosion, like I was like, oh, the gutter has a
• 32:51
  hole. The rain wore away the the stair
• 32:54
  rail. That's what I thought was
• 32:56
  happening. But then we see her flashback
• 32:58
  and this is the same actress who is in Twilight Eclipse and
• 33:04
  Silent Hill. The Little Carrie.
• 33:06
  Yeah, young, Carrie, Josh, Jordelle, something like that.
• 33:11
  Yeah, I know you're talking about.
• 33:12
  Yeah, that she is talking to the neighbor Estelle about booze and
• 33:18
  saying she wants in 7th day. Yeah.
• 33:19
  She's just out there like she's sunbathing topless and like, she
• 33:22
  rolls over. She's like, what's up, kid?
• 33:24
  And she's like, what are those? Like these are called breasts.
• 33:28
  How do you not know this? You're like 12.
• 33:33
  But yeah, so that that obviously upsets Margaret, who comes out
• 33:38
  and is like, stop talking about dirty pillows.
• 33:41
  Margaret drags her inside. And the whole neighborhood is
• 33:43
  starting to gather it because Margaret and Estella's mom and
• 33:47
  dad are shouting at each other. And so the whole neighborhood
• 33:49
  gets attracted. Margaret brings Carrie inside,
• 33:52
  and you just hear screaming and walloping.
• 33:56
  And you can see some of them are like, should we be calling the
• 34:00
  police? Yeah, 'cause it sounds like
• 34:03
  Carrie might die today. Yep.
• 34:06
  Except then the meteors start. Yep, it's just meteors.
• 34:13
  Like what the fuck? Even in the book I'm going to
• 34:17
  say this feels so weird. It's it is like I I don't think
• 34:21
  that that even needs to be a thing.
• 34:22
  It's just crazy. So, Carrie, not in present time,
• 34:28
  exactly, because that was a flashback within a flashback.
• 34:30
  We're still technically a flashback, man.
• 34:32
  She asked her mom I shouldn't warn her about her period.
• 34:35
  And she was like, well, I just didn't think you'd be such a
• 34:37
  goddamn Sinner. It's like I hoped you wouldn't
• 34:40
  catch the curse. Yeah, it's a curse.
• 34:42
  She's like, you're a woman now. You're cursed.
• 34:45
  That's that's an accurate way to look at it though.
• 34:48
  So it is a curse. She locks her in the closet to
• 34:53
  pray she's gotta admit that she's being bad.
• 34:56
  Yep. So now we're back to present
• 34:58
  day. Cop is still questioning Sue.
• 35:01
  Curious fucking diary. I know.
• 35:03
  Rude. Well, I mean, come on.
• 35:05
  She did kill a lot of people. I think that's kind of standard
• 35:07
  procedure for somebody that killed a lot of people.
• 35:09
  Yes, Yeah. Engages in a religious debate
• 35:12
  with Sue. Sue says that she couldn't tell
• 35:16
  you much about the The Last Supper, but she can tell you a
• 35:21
  lot more details from dogs playing poker.
• 35:23
  What a fun metaphor. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:26
  And the cops, like, respect. You're right, Carrie.
• 35:30
  Carrie's sneaking some pop culture magazines into the
• 35:33
  closet. Board in the closet where she
• 35:35
  hides her magazines. Kutch Desjardins is incredibly
• 35:41
  aggro with her class and like it from a non professional
• 35:46
  standpoint. I applaud her just telling these
• 35:49
  girls that they're shitheads. But you can't do that when
• 35:52
  you're a teacher. You're in a position of power
• 35:55
  over these girls. Like, yeah.
• 35:56
  She's crossing the line here because I mean, I'm not going to
• 35:58
  lie, it didn't. It was nice to see these kids
• 36:00
  get it. I think the thing that was
• 36:02
  really ridiculous, so like, out of all of this, the thing that
• 36:04
  hurt all of them the most is whenever she was like, you call
• 36:07
  her ugly, you're ugly. They're ugly.
• 36:10
  She's just like, that was the thing that really got them.
• 36:13
  And she's pelting them with tampons.
• 36:16
  She said she wanted them all to have three day suspension and
• 36:18
  have their prom tickets revoked, but the school board out voted
• 36:22
  her. They said that those punishments
• 36:25
  will happen if they don't attend the five days of detention.
• 36:29
  They're all being assigned. But to give give Mr. Desjardins
• 36:34
  some to give her her or no? She is in charge of their
• 36:41
  detention. Their detention is happening in
• 36:43
  gym class for the rest of the week while Carrie is in the
• 36:45
  library. Yep.
• 36:46
  And she's going to run them ragged.
• 36:48
  Yeah. And Carrie, meanwhile, in the
• 36:50
  library, is searching telekinesis.
• 36:53
  Yeah. Can you she goes to the library
• 36:54
  and can you teach me to Internet?
• 36:56
  Yeah, the detector talks to Sue about Chris Harkinson, says that
• 37:01
  Chris Harrison wrote a letter to Donna Kellogg about getting
• 37:05
  kicked out of the prom and how she's gonna get her revenge.
• 37:07
  And I thought this name was gonna be a lot more important.
• 37:10
  I made a point of writing down Donna Kellogg.
• 37:11
  I was like, cool, we're gonna see this come back.
• 37:14
  Never again. Not a single person we see.
• 37:17
  Also, we didn't talk about the fact that this detective, the
• 37:19
  actor's name is David Keith, which just feels like it's such,
• 37:25
  so close. I feel like he's.
• 37:28
  So far away. This guy probably in.
• 37:32
  It's a stage name. Yes, he changed his name to
• 37:36
  that. That way he could, like, get
• 37:37
  called back. Like we got Keith David
• 37:39
  interested in this project. He's like, no, you know, last
• 37:42
  name first, then my first name, you know, like it's very formal.
• 37:46
  Yeah. No, it's Keith Comma David.
• 37:48
  Yeah, exactly. So it's four days, so prom we
• 37:54
  get some kids passing notes in class and.
• 37:57
  They're really mad that Chris is suspended and was kicked out of
• 38:01
  the prom. See, this is like a Carrie's
• 38:03
  fault. I hate this is so stupid because
• 38:06
  it's I can't remember her name. Tina, who is.
• 38:10
  Yeah, I think, Tina. She's like, yeah, thanks for
• 38:12
  getting her suspended. Like she didn't do shit.
• 38:15
  You guys made fun of her. You got in trouble for it.
• 38:18
  Add this to my list of bad because Catherine Isabel is
• 38:21
  criminally underused and she was such a good like spiritual
• 38:24
  successor to PJ Souls for this role.
• 38:27
  I agree. Yeah.
• 38:28
  Was that the same character? Yeah.
• 38:30
  I think she would have been better if she was used a little
• 38:33
  bit better. You're right.
• 38:34
  Because I love Catherine Isabel. She's a great actor.
• 38:38
  So they are passing the note and Carrie's getting, you know, she
• 38:41
  knows it's about her. So she starts to have like this
• 38:43
  episode and she completely blacks out for the entire class
• 38:48
  and breaks her desk in. Half she's having like a 45
• 38:51
  minute. Seizure or like breaks her desk
• 38:53
  in half. Yeah, like bends her metal
• 38:55
  ruler. Yeah, everything is just like
• 38:58
  fucked up on her desk and nobody knows and the.
• 39:00
  Teacher's like Carrie, you're going to be late.
• 39:05
  That's that's it. And then I think this is
• 39:08
  probably my favorite scene in the movie because Chris's dad,
• 39:11
  who's a lawyer, is meeting with the principal and he's you know,
• 39:15
  they're like throwing cases in precedence back and forth
• 39:20
  against each other. And the principal basically
• 39:23
  plays in universe. He's like, OK, fine.
• 39:25
  If that is harassment and assault then I will be
• 39:29
  countersuing Chris for the same because she did XY and Z to
• 39:32
  carry. Not only that, but like he like
• 39:35
  starts off, he's like, all right, well, let me pull up a
• 39:37
  record here. Here are her grades.
• 39:39
  She's AC average student. She has 27 different violations
• 39:43
  against several other students. It's just like damn, this guy
• 39:46
  brought the fucking receipts. Yeah, he was ready for it and I
• 39:50
  loved it. My dad gets all huffy and just
• 39:53
  leaves. Yeah, it was cool.
• 39:55
  I thought he was going to cake. I thought he was going to bend
• 39:57
  because that's how it like, seemed that first He's like, all
• 39:59
  right, so you're going to sue us then?
• 40:00
  And he's like, all right. Chris and Sue are at a bowling
• 40:06
  alley that night and they talk to each other, which we don't
• 40:08
  see their friendship falling out in this movie either.
• 40:11
  It doesn't seem like they're ever actually even friends.
• 40:13
  No it doesn't. Which kind of takes away from
• 40:15
  any kind of impact of this scene, for example, because
• 40:18
  Chris is like, why didn't you stand up with me at the gym
• 40:20
  class? Like, maybe I wouldn't have been
• 40:22
  suspended if we'd all done it and shown him how stupid it was.
• 40:24
  And she was like, we shouldn't be such assholes.
• 40:27
  Have you ever considered that point?
• 40:29
  She's. Like also, we wanted to go to
• 40:30
  prom. Yeah, it's really stupid to do
• 40:32
  that if you wanted to go to. And you think they can't take
• 40:35
  away all of our prom tickets? They absolutely can't.
• 40:38
  They're already paid for. Exactly.
• 40:40
  Yeah. So yeah, she's just really mad
• 40:42
  and stews over it. Carrie is at home practicing
• 40:47
  moving her hair brush. Just little bits in here, much
• 40:50
  like my cousin and I used to do when we would watch Matilda
• 40:53
  while our kids we'd be like, all right, surely we can cultivate
• 40:57
  telekinetic power. And then her mom starts knocking
• 41:02
  on the door, and that, much like little Gohan, it's when her.
• 41:06
  Her emotions. Are heightened that her powers
• 41:09
  are at their strongest. Meanwhile, we have Tommy who is
• 41:13
  trying to convince Sue not to do this whole plan that she has of
• 41:17
  having Tommy take Carey to the prom by using Freddie Prince
• 41:20
  Junior logic, which was he uses that movie.
• 41:25
  I I don't know what movie is. I think it's the movie with him
• 41:27
  and Paul. Walker Yeah, yeah.
• 41:30
  Where that's what he's yeah, that's what he's saying.
• 41:32
  About yeah, trying to take her to the prom or something like
• 41:33
  that. Turn the nerd girl into like the
• 41:35
  cool girl. And he's like, and she's
• 41:37
  supposed to not be very hot, but really, she's just wearing
• 41:39
  glasses. I do like that he calls out
• 41:41
  that, like, that's literally the only thing.
• 41:43
  Yeah, some people think glasses are hot.
• 41:46
  I do. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't going to
• 41:48
  name anybody in this room, but. What's up?
• 41:53
  But now she's like no, like seriously, you got to take her
• 41:55
  or else like. And I do generally like that.
• 41:59
  Like if this is the part of a movie, it's not something that
• 42:01
  we should be doing in real life. Yeah.
• 42:04
  I I don't want to generalize it to Freddie Prince Junior,
• 42:06
  though, because, well. Yeah, I guess I kind of worked
• 42:12
  out for him in that movie, but in like other movies such as I
• 42:15
  Know What You Did Last Summer, he's usually a dumb ass.
• 42:17
  That's true. Oh man, at some point we're
• 42:19
  going to have to cover the 20251.
• 42:21
  I know you don't really want to revisit it, so we're gonna have
• 42:24
  to cover it, and we're gonna have to talk about one of the
• 42:27
  most confusing plot lines in a series of movies that I think
• 42:30
  I've ever seen. I don't.
• 42:32
  Wanna. Well, we're gonna have.
• 42:34
  To I know we've talked about two bad movies in a row now.
• 42:37
  At this point I wanna go back to good movies.
• 42:39
  We will next week. We will next week, my friend.
• 42:43
  You're right. You're right.
• 42:44
  Just you wait. Carrie, wait.
• 42:47
  OK, now. So now we get like Tommy at
• 42:51
  school the next day asking carried a prom and she's
• 42:53
  rightfully suspicious. Yeah.
• 42:56
  She's like, this is totally a prank.
• 42:58
  And it's because I trust you. The the group of Mean Girls are
• 43:01
  over there too, like being Mean Girls.
• 43:03
  So like, of course they're going to wait for a like a laugh.
• 43:05
  And Tom's like, no, like, look, if anybody laughs or is mean, I
• 43:09
  will hit them. And you know what?
• 43:10
  He is probably true. He threw a book at somebody
• 43:13
  already. So she knows.
• 43:14
  She knows that he will. Yeah.
• 43:18
  So. She agrees.
• 43:18
  Yeah, after he keeps pressing her about.
• 43:20
  It yeah. And he's like, I think it would
• 43:21
  be nice. I think you're different.
• 43:23
  And she's like OK, cool. He goes no, no.
• 43:25
  OK, interesting. Mysterious.
• 43:27
  Mysterious, the detective thinks Sue, Chris and Tommy basically
• 43:32
  all plotted to humiliate Carrie, which is what Carrie was kind of
• 43:37
  thinking at first. Carrie tells her mom about the
• 43:40
  problem and Margaret is like, no, and Carrie's like no.
• 43:43
  I'm going and things are going to start changing around here.
• 43:46
  Mother. Got to try and start fitting in
• 43:49
  like people think I'm weird. I like how the mom didn't even
• 43:52
  dispute that. Yeah, you are.
• 43:54
  Yeah, you're weird, creep. Like, I don't even really like
• 43:58
  being around you all that much. I do think I keep locking you in
• 44:03
  the closet. And she tries to leave, but
• 44:06
  Carrie closes the door on her and she's like, no, like.
• 44:09
  And she tosses the table too. And I'm like, Mama, what are you
• 44:11
  going to talk about this right? Now, here's the thing.
• 44:14
  There are things that I do remember from the book, right?
• 44:16
  And I remember her practicing moving stuff around.
• 44:20
  Yeah. So I thought we were going to at
• 44:22
  least get some of that, considering how fucking long
• 44:25
  this movie is. But we see one scene of her
• 44:27
  practicing with the hair brush and then all of a sudden she can
• 44:29
  use her powers to control. Super Well, yeah.
• 44:31
  Like there was no development. The pacing is all over.
• 44:35
  Yeah, yeah. You know, the weird thing is
• 44:38
  like the guy that made like wrote this, Bryan Ford, he's
• 44:40
  like responsible for a lot of successful TV adaptations like
• 44:43
  he did Hannibal. I think he's working on the new
• 44:47
  Friday the 13th show that's coming out.
• 44:49
  Yeah, he's not. Like it's not.
• 44:51
  This just wasn't his best. No, I mean he was also like.
• 44:54
  This is probably one of his first ones too.
• 44:56
  Yeah. So detective is interviewing
• 44:59
  Norma. She's the class president and
• 45:03
  asking if he thought this, if she thought this was a plain
• 45:06
  friend. Oh my God this fucking girl is
• 45:08
  so irritating. This is where, like, the
• 45:10
  interviews start becoming gratuitous, because they're not
• 45:14
  really. Adding anything?
• 45:16
  Yeah, yeah. This person, this character, I
• 45:19
  feel is just like inserted into this story for no reason
• 45:21
  whatsoever, just so I have this energy.
• 45:24
  Like, because he's going to make this big reveal about the real
• 45:27
  ballots being tossed out. But like, that's not a reveal.
• 45:31
  Like we know this was a prank. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:34
  It's just, Oh my God, I can't stand this.
• 45:37
  Chris overhears Carrie on the phone talking to basically,
• 45:40
  like, I don't know, like a spiritual counselor or somebody
• 45:43
  about her, her abilities. And she comes in and she was
• 45:46
  like, no, like we just tease you because like, we like you, like
• 45:50
  you're fun. But you do need to worry.
• 45:53
  You do need to like be careful with Sue.
• 45:55
  Like I know that you guys are like piling around now and like
• 45:57
  that's great, but Sue likes to have her little projects and
• 46:00
  it's kind of her MO. So, you know, just kind of be
• 46:03
  aware of how she talks to you. She's like, Sue won't be a bitch
• 46:07
  upfront. I will.
• 46:08
  That's true, but. Chris is not being a bitch
• 46:11
  upfront, she's doing secret girl bitch.
• 46:13
  Yeah, yeah. So we now see Carrie is at a
• 46:17
  store, she's trying on some makeup.
• 46:19
  Sue sponsor and approaches and tries to give her some pointers
• 46:22
  on it. And she asks her why she cares.
• 46:25
  And Sue's like, well, I just, you know, I just want to help
• 46:29
  out. And she's like you, No, you
• 46:31
  just, you feel sorry for me and you feel superior to me.
• 46:34
  But it's OK because that's not true.
• 46:36
  Thanks for your help. Bye.
• 46:38
  And I wish I could have seen more of this, like I wanted more
• 46:41
  nuance in this. And with with, I'm sorry I have
• 46:44
  to keep parking on it with a two hour and 15 minute runtime.
• 46:48
  There's time for those types of things and we just don't get it
• 46:51
  in this. No, we need more detective and
• 46:54
  girl who did the ballots eating food.
• 46:57
  I could live without Keith Comma David.
• 47:01
  Yeah, I don't need his character.
• 47:04
  Two days before prom, Sue and her crew are Sue and the Sue
• 47:09
  ads, if you will. They are painting banners and
• 47:13
  Tina sees Chris come in and she shows her new ballots with
• 47:17
  Carrie's name as one of the candidates for prom queen and
• 47:23
  Chris gets an idea and calls Billy.
• 47:26
  Kerry tries to talk about prom with her mom again.
• 47:28
  Yeah, she shows her the dress she's going to make and she does
• 47:31
  not like the dress pic. Yeah, she says that it's not,
• 47:36
  it's not very modest. And she's just not having fun.
• 47:40
  And she was like, it's. Also red can't do.
• 47:42
  Red, she's like mom, it's pink. She's like, why are you so like
• 47:47
  sinful? You're a Sinner.
• 47:48
  Those dresses, it's a sin dress. Well, I mean, you're already
• 47:52
  cursed, so like it, if everything you do is cursed in
• 47:55
  like a sin, then just fucking go with it then.
• 47:57
  Like, if you're not gonna be able to live a perfect life,
• 47:59
  then I guess you're just gonna like, live one of those lives.
• 48:03
  You know when people nowadays are like talking about an
• 48:06
  adorable character they love and they call them the cinnamon bun?
• 48:09
  Yeah. Margaret White is a Cinnabon.
• 48:13
  Cinnabon. Yeah, Cinnabyte.
• 48:15
  Yeah, Cinnabyte better good punch up.
• 48:19
  I'm gonna leave all of this in because that was a good punch
• 48:21
  back here. So we're back to the cops.
• 48:25
  He is questioning Jackie now. Yeah, we still haven't even
• 48:28
  gotten. I know, but don't worry, we're
• 48:31
  getting there now. So Jackie, like we got busted on
• 48:35
  the fucking like CCVTCCV. Yeah, camera footage, crystal
• 48:43
  clear circuit. Television.
• 48:45
  Exactly. Yeah, thank you.
• 48:46
  The crystal clear picture though that he that whoever this farmer
• 48:49
  was got top of the line ship for 2002.
• 48:52
  Yeah, apparently his his fence wasn't doing the job.
• 48:56
  Yeah. And yeah, like, OK, So what the
• 48:59
  fuck were you guys doing there? Obviously Sue was there with
• 49:02
  you. And he's like, well, no, Sue
• 49:05
  wasn't there. And then we go back in time to
• 49:07
  the pig farm. Yep, and Chris, Billy, Jackie
• 49:11
  and another person that I think they said the name briefly and I
• 49:14
  didn't write it down. He reminded me of why of the guy
• 49:18
  that plays Lou, the boy in prom night.
• 49:21
  Just the way he looked, just not as big.
• 49:24
  Less unibrow also. They kill a pig.
• 49:27
  That's sad. And The thing is, the guy that
• 49:29
  plays like Billy here does such, he does this fucking stupid like
• 49:34
  little like dance before he swings.
• 49:37
  The this guy stinks. He is not a good actor.
• 49:42
  It's so bad. Why did they give this guy such
• 49:44
  a crucial character? I yeah, I and like, listen,
• 49:49
  Billy is supposed to be a psychopath and there are
• 49:51
  different ways to play a psychopath, but.
• 49:54
  John Travolta, he did it. He's got the RIZ, yeah.
• 49:58
  He does that's. Part of the thing with the
• 50:00
  psychopath is that a lot of times they are really charming
• 50:03
  to an extent. Yeah, but this guy is, like,
• 50:05
  cartoonish. Yeah.
• 50:07
  He does the thing where he just, like, stares off in a distance.
• 50:09
  And later, like, whenever he's like, let's go into town, Let's
• 50:11
  watch the fires. So it's just like, this is so
• 50:14
  stupid. It's so fucking dumb.
• 50:17
  OK, so yeah, they killed the pig.
• 50:21
  Now we get the cop combing. Through the White House.
• 50:26
  Yes, and he finds Carrie's empty yearbook.
• 50:30
  Nobody signed it. So sad.
• 50:33
  Is anybody shocked? No.
• 50:35
  No, I thought that there was going to be 1 signature, it was
• 50:37
  going to be Sue or something like that.
• 50:39
  But we don't even get a signature from Sue.
• 50:41
  Like it is just literally just her name.
• 50:43
  Sue, Sue Sue S. It's not even spelled right.
• 50:46
  Yeah. S 00.
• 50:49
  Sue, Sue. So mom sees the final dress and
• 50:56
  once again she's like, I can see your nipples.
• 50:58
  She's like, I can see your dirty pillows and we don't even get a
• 51:01
  like, they're all going to laugh at you.
• 51:04
  No, that moment is so iconic. I know.
• 51:06
  I don't know why you wouldn't want to pay kind of homage to
• 51:09
  it, which I guess they do. Like later when Carrie was like,
• 51:12
  they're laughing at me, They're all laughing at me.
• 51:14
  But yeah, it's too late. So mom tries to stop her, but
• 51:18
  Carrie Tella kicks her out. Yeah.
• 51:21
  And she like, walks her up or something.
• 51:22
  I don't fucking know. It's prom night, baby.
• 51:25
  Who cares because we got Carrie with stronger powers.
• 51:29
  Now she's just walking through the house doing all kinds of
• 51:32
  telekinetic shit. Well, she's stressed because
• 51:34
  Tommy is late. Oh, is that what it is?
• 51:36
  Yeah. Well, don't worry.
• 51:37
  Tommy arrives. He's there to pick her up.
• 51:39
  He's got a limo. Big shot Seal and fell down.
• 51:44
  Tommy wants to see. Carrie says no.
• 51:47
  I. Carrie's got to go to prom.
• 51:48
  Like I said, this is the most human he is in his interactions
• 51:52
  with her and I kind of am slightly endeared to him being
• 51:54
  like can I see? I know and like.
• 51:58
  Like I want to know what it looks like when the ceiling
• 52:00
  caves in. And like, why are you so casual
• 52:02
  about it? Why don't you have any plaster
• 52:04
  on you? Yeah.
• 52:06
  And they get into the the limo, but we see Missus White is off
• 52:11
  the side of the building just watching her.
• 52:14
  We head back to the detective, and he's telling Sue that
• 52:16
  basically the story from Jackie checks out.
• 52:20
  So she's cleared from any suspicion of what happened with
• 52:22
  Carrie. But he's like, I don't
• 52:25
  understand why you're not like more traumatized.
• 52:27
  And she's like, what am I supposed to be mourning forever?
• 52:31
  He's like, yeah, but it's been 2 weeks so you know, maybe a a
• 52:36
  little a little longer A. Little bit of emotion.
• 52:41
  So we see the arrival of Prom and everybody's complimenting
• 52:45
  Carrie. She's got a nice ass,
• 52:47
  apparently. Yeah, that's why.
• 52:48
  What's her face tells her? Helen, I think.
• 52:51
  Yeah, I don't know, but everybody's like giving her a
• 52:53
  looks because like, wow, she actually put herself together.
• 52:55
  Yeah, it's. Kind of nice her bang still
• 52:57
  looks shitty as hell, but. Well, it's the 2000s.
• 53:00
  Yeah, that is true. Yeah, they're probably popping
• 53:02
  back then I. Wonder if we're going to see a
• 53:05
  bunch of side bangs when I watch the 20131.
• 53:07
  I'm surprised at the lack of frosted tips in this one, right?
• 53:11
  You know, where are the crunchy curls and fried bangs?
• 53:15
  I guess that's more late 2000. Gelled up spiked air.
• 53:17
  I was part of that crowd. That was me.
• 53:21
  I'm just picturing the Dino nuggie boy from Wife Swap whose
• 53:24
  mom like spikes. His hair up.
• 53:27
  Yeah, dude, I had so much gel in my hair.
• 53:31
  There were times where I was like, there's like, a solid
• 53:33
  piece of gel still just, like, up there.
• 53:36
  Yeah. Not good.
• 53:38
  So they're, like, having a good time at prom, you know, She's
• 53:43
  still feeling a little bit uneasy.
• 53:44
  But like, the Tommy and his pal and his pals, they all are
• 53:49
  pretty accepting of Carrie. So they all sit at the table and
• 53:52
  they're having a good time. Yeah.
• 53:54
  He goes over to get her some punch.
• 53:55
  And while he is away, the teacher comes over to have a
• 53:58
  word with Carrie. And she tries to give her this
• 54:03
  serious talk. Like, I like what she said here.
• 54:05
  She's like, look, high school doesn't fucking matter.
• 54:07
  Like everything up until this point, like it's not going to
• 54:10
  matter for your life. Here's the thing.
• 54:14
  Good pep talk, wrong time. Because of prom.
• 54:17
  Yes. No, it's not even just because
• 54:19
  of prom, because like, Carrie's there and she's having a good
• 54:22
  time. It's like Mrs. Jordan is saying,
• 54:23
  like it's OK to have a good time, but like, this isn't
• 54:26
  actually important. Like this won't matter.
• 54:29
  No. I like Carrie, just enjoy her
• 54:31
  night and no. She was, but she's talking about
• 54:32
  how she hates high school and she's like, you know what?
• 54:34
  I hate high school too. But you know what?
• 54:36
  No, Mr. Jordan starts that conversation.
• 54:39
  I know, but Carrie's. Like, I know I'm not supposed to
• 54:41
  say it, but I kind of hate high school too.
• 54:43
  Like I. Wanted to be over just that's
• 54:45
  what I mean. Like Mr. Jardin is such a weird
• 54:47
  character to me because she's got moments where I'm like, this
• 54:50
  is a good pep talk, but like, also this is not the right thing
• 54:54
  to be saying. I guess yeah, like went.
• 54:57
  Back to the diplomas one where she is saying like, you know,
• 55:00
  like prom is a really special night for me.
• 55:02
  I had a lot of good times, but I had even better times after high
• 55:05
  school. I guess like that's the better
• 55:07
  version of this pep talk. Yeah, I suppose that's true.
• 55:10
  That's a better way to handle it.
• 55:13
  We also see Chris and Billy getting the bucket set up and
• 55:16
  Billy's telling Chris like once they announce it, pull the rope.
• 55:20
  Don't stay behind to see what happens.
• 55:21
  Just get out of there and if anybody catches you, my name
• 55:25
  stays out of your mouth bro. I'll kill you.
• 55:28
  We cut to some dancing. Also, but while away, the
• 55:33
  teacher went over to time and he's like, look, you better give
• 55:36
  her a fucking great time tonight or you're I'm going to kill you.
• 55:40
  Basically. Yeah.
• 55:41
  Yeah, Like your wife will be over with.
• 55:44
  And he he believes her. So he's like, all right, she's
• 55:47
  going to like, he feels forced to make her to go dance, even
• 55:51
  though Kerry doesn't really want to dance.
• 55:52
  He's like, look, we got to get up there.
• 55:54
  I'm going to, like die. So come on, let's go.
• 55:57
  And then it's time for voting for the prom king and queen, and
• 56:01
  Kerry's surprised to see their names on it.
• 56:03
  And then people at the table are encouraging her and they're
• 56:05
  saying yeah, the hell with false modesty.
• 56:08
  You know, I like, yeah, I, I don't know.
• 56:11
  It's back to the cop the cop is talking to.
• 56:14
  Norma. Norma like about the ballots and
• 56:18
  he's like, well, you know, actually the real winners were
• 56:20
  Frank and Jessica and she's like, that can't be.
• 56:23
  I counted the ballots and he's like you were given fake
• 56:26
  ballots. Whoa, nobody knew that was the
• 56:30
  thing. So what do you know?
• 56:33
  Carrie and Tommy win and they go up there.
• 56:37
  It's a big hole shebang. Yep, we we do.
• 56:43
  Cut briefly to Margaret sitting alone in the chaotically
• 56:47
  redecorated house that Carrie did while she thought Chris or
• 56:52
  not Chris. What's his name, Tommy.
• 56:56
  Tommy was standing her up. So they're up there.
• 56:59
  They're being asked to do their first stance.
• 57:02
  They take hands. Chris is holding on to the rope
• 57:05
  and it seems like she's choking. Tommy and Carrie dance and they
• 57:08
  kiss. Except that didn't actually
• 57:10
  happen. Twas a dream.
• 57:11
  Twas Twas her, imagining what would happen.
• 57:15
  Instead, as they take hands to go dance, she gets the blood all
• 57:21
  over her. And then the bucket falls and
• 57:23
  hits Tommy in the ad. And here's The thing is that at
• 57:26
  first, nobody's reacting, and Tommy looks like he's actually
• 57:29
  ready to kick some asses like you promised her.
• 57:31
  Yeah. It's a book.
• 57:32
  I need a book right now. Yeah, he's like, I'm going to
• 57:34
  actually kick some asses. Except Chris drops the rope and
• 57:38
  starts to run like she was told to.
• 57:39
  The bucket falls and knocks him out.
• 57:42
  And The thing is I don't understand.
• 57:43
  But like they go over to check on him and like he's not
• 57:45
  breathing. Like would that kill him?
• 57:46
  Like a bucket falling on his head.
• 57:48
  I mean, severe brain trauma can kill you.
• 57:50
  But that bucket isn't even that. It's metal and it fell from a
• 57:53
  great height. Don't overthink this right now.
• 57:55
  Yeah, fine. But The thing is, once they're
• 57:59
  like he's not breathing, then everybody starts laughing.
• 58:02
  It's like they're like, OK, we don't have to worry about Tommy.
• 58:03
  And also, we kind of hate that guy, right?
• 58:05
  Yeah. Kind of sucks now.
• 58:07
  Yeah, let's all laugh. Yeah, and Carrie snaps.
• 58:11
  This is her moment right here. She says fuck everyone, locks
• 58:15
  all the doors, nobody can escape.
• 58:17
  Here's the thing. Earlier in my notes when I first
• 58:19
  get to the prom, I wrote that these decorations violate all
• 58:22
  kinds of Fire Marshall codes, and this moment proves me
• 58:26
  correct things. Things catch on fire very
• 58:29
  quickly in this auditorium. Were there like a lot of like
• 58:31
  open flames around or something? No, just like decorations.
• 58:35
  Way too close to like the ceilings and sprinklers and just
• 58:38
  overwhelming the space and everything.
• 58:40
  Yeah, so she starts using her telekinesis and she starts a
• 58:43
  fire and people are trying to escape.
• 58:47
  We have a moment here where we have Tina who's trying to run
• 58:50
  out but Carrie says no fuck you in particular and takes a
• 58:53
  basketball goal and like swings it down Final Destination style
• 58:57
  to whack her to. Death.
• 58:58
  That could be a really cool death, but we didn't get enough.
• 59:01
  Catherine, Isabel. I know.
• 59:03
  Like we don't get emotional payoff from this moment.
• 59:05
  Yeah, I mean, it still feels kind of nice because she was
• 59:08
  mean enough, but like, it could have been so much more.
• 59:10
  Yeah, I just, I don't understand how you have such a long movie
• 59:15
  and develop the character so. Little I know.
• 59:18
  So then we also get a scoreboard that is starting to, like, fall
• 59:23
  down. There's water all over the
• 59:24
  floor. The teacher, yeah, she has
• 59:27
  opened up one of the vents and is getting students to crawl
• 59:30
  through. And then right as the scoreboard
• 59:33
  falls and starts to electrocute all of the kids on the gym
• 59:36
  floor. The sprinklers have gone off so
• 59:38
  the gym is like has a few inches needing water so basically
• 59:41
  everybody gets electrocuted by the scoreboard.
• 59:45
  So Carrie exits the building. We see Sue, who is at her house.
• 59:51
  She hears the sirens in the distance.
• 59:53
  So she's like, I got to go check that out.
• 59:54
  I guess she stays outside and sees the glow.
• 59:57
  And so she drives out. She makes it as far as the gas
• 59:59
  station. And there are some people there
• 1:00:01
  and they're like, oh, yeah, I know the gym went up in flames.
• 1:00:04
  And she's like, I got to go. And they're like, Nope, you're
• 1:00:06
  not going to be able to get anywhere near there.
• 1:00:08
  And then the gas pump starts shaking.
• 1:00:11
  Power lines start going down. And so we've got a power like a
• 1:00:16
  street light that falls down and it creates an explosion with all
• 1:00:19
  of the, like, gas that has come out of the pumps.
• 1:00:23
  And basically, Carrie is walking through town and Destruction is
• 1:00:26
  walking with her. Billy and Chris are driving out
• 1:00:30
  to watch the fires. I don't know where they're at,
• 1:00:34
  but like, they've had just had sex and they're sitting in the
• 1:00:37
  bed. They look mad and Jackie runs
• 1:00:39
  out and he's like, school's on fire, everybody's dead.
• 1:00:42
  Where are they at? The Jackie was just like there.
• 1:00:46
  Just downstairs. Yeah, I know.
• 1:00:48
  I don't fucking know, man. Like I'm confused.
• 1:00:52
  I think that he like keeps Jackie downstairs in the kennel
• 1:00:55
  or something. How'd you get out?
• 1:00:59
  Go on, get. So yeah, they decided.
• 1:01:02
  To go out and. Watch the fire, yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Let's go watch him. Yeah.
• 1:01:05
  OK, cool. OK, Edge edgy, so let's see.
• 1:01:10
  They, they're driving out and they see Kerry in the middle of
• 1:01:12
  the road and Billy's like excellent.
• 1:01:15
  And so he slams on the gas pedal.
• 1:01:17
  He's going to run her over and it just like crumples around
• 1:01:21
  her. It doesn't hurt her at all.
• 1:01:23
  And then she goes. Wraps him around.
• 1:01:26
  Yeah, just like a fucking tornado.
• 1:01:29
  So now she's home. She gets to the bathtub and
• 1:01:32
  draws herself a bath and gets in and she's just enjoying some
• 1:01:36
  bath time. And then Mama approaches.
• 1:01:38
  She tells mom and they all laughed at her, all sad.
• 1:01:42
  She said what did I do? She doesn't even understand.
• 1:01:44
  Like she knows something bad happened at the prom, but she
• 1:01:46
  can't remember anything that went down.
• 1:01:48
  Yeah, she's like, I'm covered in blood and I'm in the bathtub
• 1:01:51
  now. What happened?
• 1:01:54
  I don't remember what happened. Mama says you die.
• 1:01:58
  Yeah, she starts to drown her. And Harry pictures her heart.
• 1:02:03
  Here's the thing again, I don't remember exactly how it goes in
• 1:02:07
  the book, but I do feel like this is probably more accurate
• 1:02:11
  to how she killed Margaret. Is imagining, yes, imagining
• 1:02:14
  squeezing her heart the. Thing that really surprises me
• 1:02:17
  here is that like, she's able to hold her under long enough to
• 1:02:20
  actually like, successfully drown her.
• 1:02:22
  Like why I couldn't carry, just throw her telekinetically, you
• 1:02:26
  know? Why did Sue drive out to
• 1:02:28
  Carrie's house? That's another great.
• 1:02:30
  Question like we don't see enough development between the
• 1:02:34
  two of them. Like she feels bad.
• 1:02:36
  She shouldn't. Be this invested.
• 1:02:38
  Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, like, like she made
• 1:02:41
  fun of her. Feel like an asshole.
• 1:02:43
  I'm going to give her a date. That's the extent of it.
• 1:02:45
  You feel like she probably could have washed her hands of
• 1:02:47
  everything at that point, but like, I did my job.
• 1:02:49
  Yeah, like, this is, it's weird because what she's about to do,
• 1:02:52
  the detective, you know, is like, did you see to Gary Carrie
• 1:02:57
  at the gas station or not? And she's like, I don't know, I
• 1:02:59
  saw a person in a dress as well. And she's like, besides, what do
• 1:03:02
  you care? Carrie and her mom are dead.
• 1:03:05
  They've been buried. And he's like, well, the body
• 1:03:06
  hasn't been identified yet. Don't, don't, don't.
• 1:03:10
  So yeah, yeah, she's at the house now.
• 1:03:12
  She goes in there and finds Carrie underwater, pulls her
• 1:03:15
  out, gives her not good CPR. Really bad CPR she just like you
• 1:03:19
  don't do a chest pump and go. She didn't even do a chest pump,
• 1:03:24
  she just pulled her out, pulled open her like lips and just like
• 1:03:27
  blew in her ear 2 times. Not even like well spaced apart
• 1:03:31
  like once. 10 seconds later, one more time.
• 1:03:34
  Successfully performed CPR carries back to life now.
• 1:03:37
  That's not how that works. Yeah, it's as is bad.
• 1:03:40
  They Yeah, She her life flashes before her eyes.
• 1:03:45
  Carries it is. And Sue's like we've got to go.
• 1:03:49
  So we now get the cop who is questioning the teacher and the
• 1:03:53
  teacher doesn't have any answers but.
• 1:03:55
  She says that it's unnatural. Whatever happened was something
• 1:03:59
  unnatural. She's like, she believes it was
• 1:04:01
  Carrie, but she can't really explain how.
• 1:04:05
  And it's like, I don't know, man, if you would have paid
• 1:04:07
  attention in the fucking principal's office when she
• 1:04:09
  moved in desk that one time, maybe you would be able to like,
• 1:04:14
  no, But no. We see Sue and Carrie sometime
• 1:04:19
  later are at mama's grave. She's wearing this really bad
• 1:04:24
  wig. Margaret White and Carrietta
• 1:04:26
  White, which was the reveal that her name is Carrietta, not
• 1:04:29
  Carrie. Carrietta really surprised me.
• 1:04:32
  You you were shocked. Carrietta.
• 1:04:33
  Is that in the book too? I don't remember.
• 1:04:35
  Carrietta is a weird name. I'm sorry for anybody out there
• 1:04:38
  named Carrietta. I've never heard it.
• 1:04:40
  I have not either. The closest I've got is
• 1:04:42
  Marietta, GA. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:04:45
  So Carrie's like, like they get in the car and we'll know
• 1:04:49
  whatever she's like. Look, you need to get out of
• 1:04:51
  town so. It's like I can drive you as far
• 1:04:52
  as Florida. What?
• 1:04:54
  Where are they from? Probably Maine, right?
• 1:04:55
  I don't know. Surely it's Maine.
• 1:04:58
  It's got to be Maine. That's a long way to drive from
• 1:05:00
  Maine. Yeah, I can drive you as far as
• 1:05:01
  Florida, OK, from the north of the country to the South of the
• 1:05:05
  country, that's pretty far. So you can probably take me to
• 1:05:07
  like California too then, right? Like we can go to like 1.
• 1:05:10
  Little further. Maybe.
• 1:05:11
  But like, we're going to the edge of the country either way,
• 1:05:14
  let's just fucking go there. And yeah, I mean, that's pretty.
• 1:05:19
  Much we get a dream within a dream within a dream because.
• 1:05:21
  Oh, right, because we have to have the jump scare.
• 1:05:24
  Yeah, because we think that Kerry's attacked by Margaret
• 1:05:26
  from the grave, but she's not really.
• 1:05:28
  But then she wakes up in the car and then she's being tired
• 1:05:30
  again, but she's not really. And they just drive to Florida.
• 1:05:35
  That's it. And that's where the TV show is
• 1:05:36
  going to pick up, I guess. I'm so glad that they didn't get
• 1:05:39
  picked up. Yeah, would have been so bad.
• 1:05:41
  How long would the episodes be you think?
• 1:05:43
  They said I read something that said Movie of the week and I
• 1:05:47
  don't. Movie.
• 1:05:48
  So there would be several movies, I guess.
• 1:05:50
  Oh, Lord, have mercy. No, OK, I'm not changing my
• 1:05:55
  score, man. This is a four for me.
• 1:05:56
  It's just not good. I yeah, I the more we talk about
• 1:06:00
  it, the more it's like it's. Boring do.
• 1:06:04
  Something, yes, make it shorter or do something more with your
• 1:06:08
  time. But you can't have a really long
• 1:06:10
  movie in two-dimensional characters.
• 1:06:13
  That just doesn't work. Like and The thing is, I know
• 1:06:15
  this is a good story, like it's so good, but it's just didn't
• 1:06:20
  execute it well at all. All.
• 1:06:22
  Right. I think I'm going to actually
• 1:06:24
  put mine down to a 4.5. OK, so new average 4.25.
• 1:06:28
  OK. Talia was pretty playful during
• 1:06:32
  the movie though, which is really impressive with how long
• 1:06:34
  the movie was. Well, she had to find ways to
• 1:06:36
  have fun. That's true.
• 1:06:38
  That's true. Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  So I guess. I don't know where she's leaning
• 1:06:44
  with this one, I think maybe like 5?
• 1:06:48
  Yeah, I think she like, it's right there in between for her.
• 1:06:50
  She was like, I would be prom queen, but I would be nice and
• 1:06:54
  everybody would be nice to me. And she would use her
• 1:06:57
  telekinesis for good. Good girl, good powers.
• 1:07:00
  Exactly, yes. What?
• 1:07:03
  Who is always Ultimate Warrior? Norma.
• 1:07:08
  Why? Because Norma's eating a bunch
• 1:07:10
  of Donuts. During the thing, Yeah.
• 1:07:13
  Why? Because the doughnuts were
• 1:07:15
  there, OK, and they were clearly meant to be Krispy Kreme, but
• 1:07:19
  they never actually say that they're Krispy Kreme.
• 1:07:21
  Can't. Because he keeps saying that
• 1:07:22
  they're not hot and we go through this every time.
• 1:07:25
  Hot and ready Is Little Caesars fresh?
• 1:07:27
  Nope. Whatever they're the they're the
• 1:07:30
  Krispy Kreme logo or. Yeah, yeah, they're crispy and
• 1:07:34
  the creamy. Yeah, that that's, that's all
• 1:07:36
  you really need to know about it all.
• 1:07:38
  Right, this is a hooter, a holler for Cordelia.
• 1:07:40
  I think this is another holler. I think so too.
• 1:07:43
  She's just like she came and watched a little bit with us,
• 1:07:46
  but most of the time she was just in the kitchen and chasing
• 1:07:48
  her tail. Because in her mind, she's like,
• 1:07:51
  wow, like bullies get. Bullies get what they want.
• 1:07:55
  Yeah, like you telling me if I bully like, I'm going to like
• 1:07:57
  get telekinesis to death. Seems fake.
• 1:08:01
  Yeah, this is not a real story. She has a little boy in this
• 1:08:06
  house, though. She takes on all of the cats.
• 1:08:08
  Zoe was in the litter box the other day and Cordelia was
• 1:08:11
  antagonizing her and I was like, that's just such a Dick move.
• 1:08:14
  She's she's getting a little bit too big for her britches.
• 1:08:16
  She's been pouncing on me here lately like she's like going to
• 1:08:20
  take me down. She tried to eat my hair while I
• 1:08:23
  was doing yoga. She's a bully.
• 1:08:26
  She is So yeah, she didn't like this movie at all, no.
• 1:08:30
  All right, do we have a new tagline?
• 1:08:35
  What would Freddie Prinze Junior do?
• 1:08:37
  Love it. Speaking of, what would Dominic
• 1:08:41
  Credo do? What would Dom do?
• 1:08:43
  I'm going to try and think of this in like a moment of like
• 1:08:45
  Dom versus Carrie, where it's like with what's his face
• 1:08:50
  driving at Carrie. I was just about to say so.
• 1:08:52
  It's everything plays out the same.
• 1:08:54
  Dom is a bully in this movie. I'm sorry, but he is.
• 1:08:57
  He killed a pig. Yeah, like that's just the thing
• 1:08:59
  that. Happened.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah. If you kill a pig, you're a
• 1:09:01
  bully. Yeah, and he's driving like you.
• 1:09:03
  Know a farmer I guess. There's humane ways to do it.
• 1:09:07
  I mean, I'm a vegan, so I'm still kind of.
• 1:09:10
  Yeah, it's not I don't you're up on that.
• 1:09:12
  I don't like it. I'm not up on it either.
• 1:09:14
  As somebody that eats meat, OK, I don't like I don't like read
• 1:09:18
  magazines on like the latest developments.
• 1:09:21
  But like, I think that like he drives at her, but he catches
• 1:09:26
  her off guard and hits the Nos and she thinks that he's just
• 1:09:30
  like going to arrive slower, but he's faster.
• 1:09:32
  So she's slower than Nos basically.
• 1:09:34
  Yeah, and he successfully takes her out and saves the day by
• 1:09:38
  destroying the evil that is terrorizing the town.
• 1:09:40
  OK, yeah. OK Now Dream sequel.
• 1:09:45
  So say this. Actually, they go on and get
• 1:09:47
  picked up and they're running down to Florida together.
• 1:09:50
  Kerry in Florida. So what?
• 1:09:51
  Kind of like mess are they gonna get into down there?
• 1:09:56
  They're going to Jacksonville. I can just feel it.
• 1:10:02
  I want Carrie to, I want it to completely change tones.
• 1:10:09
  It's not horror. She just becomes like a
• 1:10:12
  Floridian. But first, she has like a spring
• 1:10:16
  break experience down there. Oh, so she gets to like, she
• 1:10:21
  takes the advice that the teacher says.
• 1:10:23
  She's like, yeah, she could. She's like, look, you can go and
• 1:10:27
  live on a whole new life after high school.
• 1:10:29
  Like, you can take the things that you like about yourself and
• 1:10:32
  leave the things that you don't like.
• 1:10:33
  So she's like, OK, I like that. I like to party.
• 1:10:36
  So she goes down there and, like, parties for spring break.
• 1:10:39
  And there's some Mean Girls at spring break down there,
• 1:10:42
  Shirley. And you know what?
• 1:10:44
  She's just going to have to teach them a lesson.
• 1:10:45
  Weird spring break tragedies that keep happening, yeah.
• 1:10:50
  OK, there we go. I like that all.
• 1:10:52
  Right, you said that you went to an alternate place to find a
• 1:10:56
  review because IMDb was also trying to make you make an
• 1:10:59
  account. It's a thing that we.
• 1:11:00
  Will not give in. I am not, no.
• 1:11:02
  If I have to pull reviews from other sources I will, so I did.
• 1:11:07
  I got a review from Reddit, the Stephen King subreddit.
• 1:11:12
  Somebody made a post saying Kerry 2002 doesn't get enough
• 1:11:15
  credit, so here's what they say. OK, so we all know how good
• 1:11:21
  Kerry 1976 is. It's a horror masterpiece and a
• 1:11:24
  terrific adaptation of King's book that retains just enough of
• 1:11:27
  the book to keep the story intact.
• 1:11:29
  But I have to say the 2002 TV version is the most faithful
• 1:11:32
  adaptation that gets overlooked too much.
• 1:11:36
  Despite it's a glaring made for TV quality, I still think it
• 1:11:39
  holds up as a decent movie. Some of the writing and acting
• 1:11:42
  is atrocious, but I do think Angela Bettis killed it as
• 1:11:46
  Carrie despite looking 30. I wonder how old she actually
• 1:11:49
  was in this. You looking it up?
• 1:11:51
  Yeah, I'll look it up. OK, it's the only version that
• 1:11:54
  shows the reign of stones and the town destruction, so that's
• 1:11:57
  where I got the confirmation that apparently it happens.
• 1:11:58
  And I guess you, well, I I think the other one showed the town
• 1:12:02
  destruction too. Maybe not.
• 1:12:05
  Which are such interesting parts of the story.
• 1:12:07
  And I like how it tries to follow the epist.
• 1:12:10
  Yeah. She was 29.
• 1:12:11
  Wow OK, pretty young looking for a 29.
• 1:12:16
  Year old. Yeah, actually.
• 1:12:19
  All right, And I like how it tries to follow the style of the
• 1:12:21
  book by including police interviews with the survivors.
• 1:12:24
  OK, I guess so was the thing. Yeah, like I said, I remember
• 1:12:27
  newspaper articles. I don't remember the police
• 1:12:29
  interviews. But boy, I'm going to look at
• 1:12:30
  it. It's been like. 16 years since I
• 1:12:31
  read it so. I've never read the book.
• 1:12:33
  I I didn't. I didn't care for that edition.
• 1:12:36
  There were things from the book I guess I just don't really care
• 1:12:38
  for because I don't like the meteors either.
• 1:12:41
  The only thing I don't like is how Carrie lives at the end.
• 1:12:43
  And thank God they didn't turn it into a Hulk style series with
• 1:12:46
  Carrie going around saving people like they had originally
• 1:12:49
  planned. We shall not talk about the 2013
• 1:12:52
  movie. So was that the plan that they
• 1:12:56
  were going to like just have her like save the day by like going
• 1:12:59
  Carrie Rage and just like? Maybe, I guess cuz Bryan Fuller
• 1:13:04
  liked her as a character, he didn't want to kill her to make
• 1:13:07
  her the bad guy. That sounds terrible.
• 1:13:10
  I'm so glad that that didn't happen.
• 1:13:11
  No, like I would have watched it.
• 1:13:13
  I don't know if anybody would have wanted that.
• 1:13:14
  I guess you could have had that, but I would have not watched
• 1:13:17
  that. I don't like look, I like I I
• 1:13:20
  get it. Like it's probably like faithful
• 1:13:22
  to the book in some ways, you know, and that's cool.
• 1:13:26
  But like, I don't know, like I like, I can't really speak to
• 1:13:30
  that because I don't. Things that, like you can be
• 1:13:33
  faithful to the book without capturing everything that's in
• 1:13:36
  the book because we don't get a lot of the character development
• 1:13:39
  that we need to care about these interactions between characters.
• 1:13:42
  I felt, I think I like, I remember feeling it like more in
• 1:13:47
  the original movie whenever that shit happened to Carrie because
• 1:13:50
  of just the way that everything was developed and the portrayals
• 1:13:53
  and the acting. It was just, it's, it's so much
• 1:13:56
  better. The The Hunger Games
• 1:13:57
  adaptations, the very first movie adapts a lot of the events
• 1:14:01
  that happen, but you don't get enough of the character
• 1:14:06
  development that goes into it, to the point where you and I had
• 1:14:09
  different experiences watching the movie because I'd read the
• 1:14:12
  books. Yeah, they explained so many
• 1:14:13
  things like Peter to me. And I had to explain a ton of
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  things to you. And I think if you have to read
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  the book to understand the movie, it's just, I'm sorry,
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  it's just not a good movie. It needs to be able to stand on
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  its own. And it's one of those things.
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  And I know that I've said like, I have a hard time separating
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  the books from the movies. And that's not because I expect
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  the movie to be exactly like the book is.
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  Because I read a book, I imagine it one way in my head, and if
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  it's too fresh when I go to watch the movie I have a hard
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  time picturing like it's. Kind of what happened with
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  Christine. With me too, yeah.
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  You know, like I had just read that book and then we watched it
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  together after you had just read it too.
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  And then? We didn't even see the fucking
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  house get destroyed by the. Car and we're still upset about.
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  It days since we were. Thinking about this, we need to
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  actually have that on the the white board over there.
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  But ultimately there are different mediums for telling a
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  story and you have to do them in different ways.
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  And that's The thing is that with diplomas, he captures those
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  relationships so much better without including all of the
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  same exact events and beats of the story.
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  It's a tighter story, too. Yeah.
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  So I just. I appreciate it not having the
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  cop interviews. I don't.
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  I don't think the cop interviews add anything to the story at
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  all. Not the way they're done anyway.
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  And like. And that's The thing is that if
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  you've read the book and you want to see a faithful
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  adaptation, you can fill in those gaps for yourself and
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  that's what you want. That's good, that's great.
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  But it should be able to stand on its own as well.
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  Like you shouldn't need to do supplemental reading for it.
• 1:15:41
  I agree. OK, well then that does it for
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