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Sharri | 23 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in tonight for Sharry Markson coming
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Speaker 3: up on the show. Business has warned work from home
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Speaker 3: rights could be used against them after a landmark court
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Speaker 3: ruling set a potentially dangerous precedent about employers' rights. Who
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Speaker 3: would want to go into business in this country right now?
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Speaker 3: Anti cole activists planned to protest in Sydney this weekend
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Speaker 3: for Palestine. Who would have thought climate change and gaza
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Speaker 3: are linked?
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Speaker 2: And King Charles and Queen Camilla.
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Speaker 3: Are set to make history this evening in Rome, while
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Speaker 3: Prince Andrew takes the record for the most royal scandals
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Speaker 3: in history. Find out about his latest indiscretion shortly, but
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Speaker 3: first tonight. It's been another great day in Victorian Premier.
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Speaker 3: Just into Allan's city. You know, this same city.
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Speaker 4: The CBD of Melbourne is safe and I wish to
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Speaker 4: reiterate that the Melbourne's CBD is safe.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the very safe city of Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: I mean, never mind the daily stabbing attacks, carjackings, violent
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Speaker 3: home invasions, a machete slashing here or there, No, no,
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Speaker 3: all very safe of course, must be thanks to the
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Speaker 3: machete amnesty bins. In fact, this is the same Jacinta
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Speaker 3: Allen who boasts of having the toughest bail laws in
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Speaker 3: the country. And of course these alleged tough bail laws
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Speaker 3: may as well be rendered useless because they only work
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Speaker 3: if the justice system obliges. So what does it take
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Speaker 3: in Victoria for justice? Now, it's a great question, because
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Speaker 3: now a teen charged over a machete attack outside Lunar
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Speaker 3: Park has been freed on bail, despite being suspected of
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Speaker 3: two other offenses involving machetes this month alone. The Herald's
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Speaker 3: son is reporting that nineteen year old Abbas Masrawi was
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Speaker 3: bailed last night, just three days after the incident. The
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Speaker 3: nineteen year olds co accused brothers, Muhammad and Abdurahman Khan,
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Speaker 3: were also granted bail.
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Speaker 2: And here is how the alleged incident unfolded.
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Speaker 5: A man armed with a machete slashed two teenagers during
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Speaker 5: a fight on Cavell Street. Both victims were eighteen year
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Speaker 5: old men. They weren't seriously injured and were treated at
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Speaker 5: the scene.
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Speaker 3: And here is a picture of the injuries sustained by
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Speaker 3: one of the alleged victims. Now make it make sense.
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Speaker 3: You have got teenagers allegedly running around with machetes in
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Speaker 3: broad daylight while families and children were sitting on the
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Speaker 3: lawn enjoying their day. And it happened in a busy
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Speaker 3: tourist area like Lunar Park and people were forced to
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Speaker 3: flee for their own lives. And now the alleged offenders
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Speaker 3: are out on bail. Police opposed their release. Detective Senior
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Speaker 3: Constable Damon Peterson told the court that mister Masari is
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Speaker 3: being invested gated over two other alleged offenses involving machetes.
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Speaker 2: This month.
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Speaker 3: He said, mister Masari put a machete to the face
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Speaker 3: of a woman and demanded she call her brother. As
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Speaker 3: recently as two weeks ago, when served with a personal
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Speaker 3: safety intervention order over the incident, which prohibited him from
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Speaker 3: going near the woman, he laughed and giggled. And that's
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Speaker 3: just the problem. It's all a laugh, isn't it. They
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Speaker 3: are laughing in our faces and getting off easy. Prosecutors
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Speaker 3: said mister Masrari was a danger to the community and
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Speaker 3: had a history of carrying weapons, which makes Magistrate Felicity
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Speaker 3: Brufton's decision.
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Speaker 2: All the more bizarre.
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Speaker 3: She told the court young men acting and behaving like
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Speaker 3: this is a high risk to the community.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's a good start. She's not wrong. But here
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Speaker 2: was the real pearler.
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Speaker 3: She told mister Masrari, you need to grow up fast
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Speaker 3: and you need to have a bit of insight. And so,
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Speaker 3: with all the in side in the world, Magistrate Broughton
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Speaker 3: sent him on his merry way released him immediately with conditions.
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Speaker 3: What happened to being a high risk to the community,
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Speaker 3: and she told him to grow up. The guy's nineteen.
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Speaker 3: It makes him a legal adult. It means we can
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Speaker 3: name him. He is an alleged repeat offender. And quite frankly,
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Speaker 3: I don't care what age he is. Where is the
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Speaker 3: protection for victorians? The magistrate, in all her wisdom, then
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Speaker 3: went on to state the obvious felicity. Broughton acknowledged that
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Speaker 3: their allegations were extremely serious. She said, quote it involved
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Speaker 3: the use of a machete. It's at Lunar Park. This
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Speaker 3: is a place where families and children come together to
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Speaker 3: enjoy themselves on.
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Speaker 2: Very special occasions.
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Speaker 3: Really, according to the Herald's son, she'd earlier given him
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Speaker 3: a lecture about how his family would be distressed seeing
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Speaker 3: him in the dock because his parents had hopes for
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Speaker 3: him to have a better life when they migrated from
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Speaker 3: war torn Iran when he was just five.
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Speaker 2: Woe is Me?
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Speaker 3: So a court session turned into a taping of an
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Speaker 3: emotional Oprah Winfrey reunion.
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Speaker 2: Show I Mean Give Me a Break.
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Speaker 3: The court also heard mister Masari was expected to be
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Speaker 3: charged over a machete brawl at broad Meadows shopping Center
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Speaker 3: on October tenth, and here is how that alleged incident
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Speaker 3: played out. Last year, he was given an infringement for
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Speaker 3: carrying a weapon without excuse after he was found with
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Speaker 3: a machete down his pants.
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Speaker 2: In March, he.
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Speaker 3: Was also cautioned by police for having a large knife
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Speaker 3: concealed in his waistband. Detective Patterson told the court it
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Speaker 3: is an increasing trend where public safety is not considered
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Speaker 3: by these offenders and it is only a matter of
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Speaker 3: time before an innocent bystander suffers a serious injury.
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Speaker 2: If not death.
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Speaker 3: But oh well, all he needs to do is grow up. Apparently,
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Speaker 3: if you ask Magistrate Broughton. She and her sister, Magistrate
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Speaker 3: Pauline Spencer, who granted the Khan brothers bail, cited their
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Speaker 3: young age, their first time in custody, and delays in
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Speaker 3: the case for granting bail.
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Speaker 2: Now, I would argue that does.
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Speaker 3: Not stack up with community expectations at a time when
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Speaker 3: crime is at record levels. Now just send to Alan
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Speaker 3: responded today, and judging by her response, you'd think it
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Speaker 3: was the first time she'd heard about a youth crime
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Speaker 3: crisis in her state.
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Speaker 4: It is violent offending, it is brazen offending occurring in
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Speaker 4: spaces in ways that we've not seen before, and it's
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Speaker 4: increasingly being done by children.
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Speaker 2: In ways we've not seen before.
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Speaker 3: Is this the first time she's heard of a machete
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Speaker 3: attack in Victoria? And then she says it's increasingly been
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Speaker 3: done by children. Where has this premiere been? This is
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Speaker 3: an insult to the overwhelming law abiding citizens of the state.
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Speaker 3: Offending by children in Victoria has soared to levels not
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Speaker 3: seen since record keeping began in the early nineties, and
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Speaker 3: she should know that. But this is apparently the first time,
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Speaker 3: just since Alan has heard of it.
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Speaker 2: She then said this, so we.
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Speaker 4: Need to respond to this both with tougher penalties and
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Speaker 4: stronger consequences.
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Speaker 3: Well, the problem is She's not at all receptive to
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Speaker 3: tougher penalties and stronger consequences. She's refused to commit to
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Speaker 3: Jack's Law, which gives police the power to want anybody
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Speaker 3: without a warrant, and her only solution, as we know,
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Speaker 3: is a machete amnesty bin. Now, the biggest shue is
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Speaker 3: this is a premier who has refused to even acknowledge
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Speaker 3: that there is a serious problem in her state. And
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Speaker 3: the easiest way to get to this point is to
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Speaker 3: concede that there is a crime issue in the first
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Speaker 3: place and then put the measures in place quickly. Every
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Speaker 3: day it's the same old thoughts and prayers to the victims,
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Speaker 3: and so it's just another day in this city, isn't it.
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Speaker 4: The CBD of Melbourne is safe, and I wish to
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Speaker 4: reiterate that the Melbourne CBD is safe.
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Speaker 3: This is what Jacinta Allen's toughest bail laws in the
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Speaker 3: country looks like. Now you have to wonder why anyone
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Speaker 3: would want to go into business right now in this country.
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Speaker 3: From net zero fantasies that are pushing up electricity prices
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Speaker 3: and driving inflation, to oppressive regulatory policies, red tape, union influence,
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Speaker 3: right to disconnect laws. Ir, I mean the list goes on.
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Speaker 3: This is not a country for business right now. Labor
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Speaker 3: is making it impossible and no wonder. We have a
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Speaker 3: record number of insolvencies and now a court decision this
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Speaker 3: week has made it even harder for employers and we'll
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Speaker 3: set a worrying precedent. A mother has won a landmark
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Speaker 3: against Westpac after the bank refused.
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Speaker 2: To allow her to work from home.
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Speaker 3: Carline Chandler has worked for Westpac for twenty three years
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Speaker 3: and is currently a part time employee in the lenders
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Speaker 3: Mortgage Operation team.
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Speaker 2: Now back in January.
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Speaker 3: She asked the bank if she could work from home
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Speaker 3: to allow her to pick up and drop off her
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Speaker 3: two young daughters from school, but Westpac refused after implementing
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Speaker 3: a mandatory two day a week in the office policy.
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Speaker 3: And look, that is their right to do so, and
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Speaker 3: I think their reason was fair enough. A senior manager
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Speaker 3: told her working from home is no substitution for childcare.
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Speaker 3: Well exactly.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Look, you can sympathize with a family struggle to juggle
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Speaker 3: a work life balance, I understand it, but it is
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Speaker 3: an employer's prerogative to set its own work from home rules.
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Speaker 2: Now you have to do what's right for your own
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Speaker 2: business and if you.
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Speaker 3: As an employee don't like it, then it's up to
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Speaker 3: you to find a solution. But this is where the
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Speaker 3: CA has taken a turn and in my view, has
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Speaker 3: set a shocking precedent. The Fair Work Commission has ordered
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Speaker 3: Westpac to agree to carline Chandler's demands. The Commission's Deputy President,
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Speaker 3: Tom Roberts said, Whilst I accept that Westpac may obtain
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Speaker 3: some benefit from minimal levels of in office attendance in
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Speaker 3: Missus Chandler's case, I also think that the consequences of
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Speaker 3: not making an order are seriously prejudicial for the applicant
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Speaker 3: and her family. Now this is just crazy. When will
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Speaker 3: business catch or break? This woman has had a history
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Speaker 3: of working from home. From about mid twenty eighteen, she
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Speaker 3: worked remotely full time until she went on maternity leave.
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Speaker 3: She was allowed to continue working remotely until August twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty two, when she was required to attend Westpac's office
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Speaker 3: in Cogra in Sydney once a week. In twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 3: her and her husband moved about seventy kilometers away from
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Speaker 3: the office to live closer to a private school. For
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Speaker 3: her children in December last year. Her request to work
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Speaker 3: in the bank's branch closer to home was initially approved
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Speaker 3: as a short term olive branch, but it was reversed
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Speaker 3: by a senior manager a month later, and Westpac later
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Speaker 3: introduced a two day a week return to office policy.
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Speaker 3: But miss Chandler took the decision to court and has
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Speaker 3: subsequently won. So in effect, the Commission has ruled that
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Speaker 3: an employer can't set its own rules and cannot make
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Speaker 3: its own decisions. And now the bank is bearing responsibility
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Speaker 3: for the fact that this employee chose to move house.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how on earth does that stack up. The
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Speaker 3: Financial sector union, which took up her case, said the
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Speaker 3: decision demonstrated that working from home is a right, not
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Speaker 3: a privilege. Now once again I ask why anyone would
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Speaker 3: want to go into business when unions are literally destroying
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Speaker 3: business And here was their secretary on Sky News this morning.
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Speaker 6: In our view, this case is very important because what
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Speaker 6: this shows is that where an emplmployee has a real
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Speaker 6: specific need to work from home. In the case of
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Speaker 6: our member Calleen, it was because of her childcare responsibilities
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Speaker 6: and the fact that she had been successfully working from
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Speaker 6: home for a number.
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Speaker 2: Of years that was more important.
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Speaker 6: Than Westphaps general desire to have people working in the
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Speaker 6: office a couple of days a week.
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Speaker 3: Look, I think this is creating two classes of worker
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Speaker 3: and where does it go from here? Because it says
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Speaker 3: your personal needs are more important and the court has agreed.
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Speaker 3: The Finance Sector union has already said it would use
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Speaker 3: this ruling to push employers to reconsider their refusals of
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Speaker 3: work from home requests. We can certainly see what sort
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Speaker 3: of a precedent this sets now. Granted Westpac is a
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Speaker 3: major organization. Had this happened to a small business, it
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Speaker 3: would send them broke.
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Speaker 2: But who's to say More and more people will come out.
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Speaker 3: Now and take their employers to the Commission on a
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Speaker 3: work from home policy because a precedent's been set that
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Speaker 3: employers cannot make their decisions.
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Speaker 2: For what is best for their business.
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Speaker 3: The Australian Industry Group spokesperson Ferguson has told The Australian
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Speaker 3: Financial Review today the decision will undoubtedly make some employers
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Speaker 3: weary about informally permitting work from home arrangements given this
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Speaker 3: could later be used against them in a dispute. I
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Speaker 3: mean it's literally trapping employers. Work from home is not
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Speaker 3: a right, it's a privilege and it was once something
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Speaker 3: agreed upon by an employer and an employee, as.
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Speaker 2: It always should be.
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Speaker 3: It's not up to a court to decide. And now
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Speaker 3: you've got unions and new age workers who seem to
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Speaker 3: be calling the shots. Unions want a four day working
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Speaker 3: week as it is, the Victorian Premier just sin to
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Speaker 3: Allen wants to mandate working from home. I mean, these
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Speaker 3: people have clearly never been in business. Not only do
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Speaker 3: employers have to deal with excessive demands, they're copying labour's
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Speaker 3: punitive measures like energy bills under the net zero fantasy,
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Speaker 3: red tape regulation and IR laws. Will business ever get
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Speaker 3: a break.
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Speaker 2: For joining me?
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Speaker 7: Now?
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Speaker 3: Is my panel WA Opposition Leader Basil Zemplus and National
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Speaker 3: Senator Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 2: Hi to both of you.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining me on the show
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Speaker 3: this evening. I want to start with some news this
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Speaker 3: evening regarding the liberals position on net zero. Liberal MP
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Speaker 3: Melissa McIntosh has conducted a survey in her electorate of
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Speaker 3: Lindsay and found that sixty five percent of respondents there
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Speaker 3: said that they do not support net zero By twenty
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Speaker 3: fifty eighty seven percent do not support net zero at
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Speaker 3: any cost, and sixty eight percent oppose Labour's twenty thirty five.
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Speaker 2: Emissions reduction target.
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Speaker 3: Now, she said in her letter quote, I made a
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Speaker 3: commitment to my community that I wouldn't take a stand
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Speaker 3: on net zero until I heard directly from them.
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Speaker 2: Matt.
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Speaker 3: She's yet to come out and make her position on
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Speaker 3: net zero clear, but she said that she would take
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Speaker 3: a position in line with her electorate.
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Speaker 2: Her electorates made their views pretty clear. Do you think we.
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Speaker 3: Could possibly see another liberal come out soon against net zero?
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Speaker 8: Well, look to Nakro. I know I am Melissa. She's
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Speaker 8: a great local MP. That's why she's been re elected
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Speaker 8: a number of times. And she does represent a great
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Speaker 8: part of our country. It's a part of our country
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Speaker 8: that works very hard. They've often got to drive a
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Speaker 8: long lay or commute a long way to their jobs
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Speaker 8: out in western Sydney. I grew up in a similar
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Speaker 8: area in Logan, south of Brisbane, and I love those
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Speaker 8: people and I know Melissa does too, and like a
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Speaker 8: good representative, she is listening. And I think it's about
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Speaker 8: time the Albanesi government does the same, because they're clearly
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Speaker 8: not listening to the people that are struggling in this country.
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Speaker 8: They have no answers for how they're going to lower
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Speaker 8: their cost of living. They did promise they'd cut our
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Speaker 8: power bills by two dred and seventy five dollars, but
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Speaker 8: their net zero plans have instead increased electricity prices by
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Speaker 8: another forty percent since they've been in office. And so
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Speaker 8: I think Melissa's doing the right thing listening to her electorate,
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Speaker 8: and I encourage all members of Apartment to do the same.
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Speaker 8: I know my own area is dead set against this.
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Speaker 8: We saw a poll the other day which show that
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Speaker 8: of liberal and national voters, they're massively against net zero.
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Speaker 8: They massively want us to drop this policy, by the
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Speaker 8: tune of fifty four to twenty four. And even in
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Speaker 8: the broader electorate support for net zero was net zero.
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Speaker 8: It was a dead heat. And I think as more
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Speaker 8: and more people see that the net zero Emperor has
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Speaker 8: no clothes, we're going to see a lot more opposition
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Speaker 8: to it, a lot more results in line with what
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Speaker 8: Melissa's founded her electric in Western Sydney.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the results speak for themselves eighty seven percent,
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Speaker 3: so that they are dead set against net zero at
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Speaker 3: any costs. I mean, I'm curious to know what other
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Speaker 3: electorates would think. Let's talk about that fair Work Commission
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Speaker 3: decision on working from home, Basil. I know that over
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Speaker 3: in the West you've been really strong and really banging
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Speaker 3: the drum for people to get back into the CBD.
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Speaker 3: I mean, CBDs are dying because workers have not returned.
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Speaker 3: Does this ruling make it even harder now to rebuild
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Speaker 3: our cities?
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Speaker 9: Potentially it does, and we know some capital cities are
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Speaker 9: really struggling.
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Speaker 2: We think of Melbourne.
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Speaker 9: Obviously it's not the only problem and has Melbourne obviously
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Speaker 9: crime has been a huge impediment to progress in the
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Speaker 9: Victorian capital, but work from home is certainly of it.
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Speaker 9: As Lord Mayor, absolutely I advocated strongly for people to
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Speaker 9: return to the office, because after all, people are the
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Speaker 9: lifeblood of any city. We understand that people want some flexibility,
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Speaker 9: but there are some sectors that just don't lend themselves
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Speaker 9: to flexibility. I certainly don't think it's necessarily particularly good
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Speaker 9: for the culture of the workplace or the office, and
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Speaker 9: it can be difficult for those hoping to progress their
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Speaker 9: careers if they're not at work where the boss is
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Speaker 9: and can get a sense of what is required. So
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Speaker 9: whilst we understand some people do want flexibility and that is.
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Speaker 1: Important to build it in, not every.
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Speaker 9: Sector can work from home, and not everybody can choose
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Speaker 9: when they work from home that won't work.
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Speaker 2: No, I completely agree.
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Speaker 3: I mean I think it should be up to the
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Speaker 3: employee and the employer to make that decision.
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Speaker 2: It should not be up to a court to make it.
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Speaker 3: Butt it seems like this will make it even more
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Speaker 3: impossible for businesses to bring staff back to the office
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Speaker 3: without maybe risking a legal fight.
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Speaker 8: I'm going to take a different view on this. Tanika
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Speaker 8: up here in Townsville, a town a turndred thousand people,
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Speaker 8: I think this decision affected someone in Sydney, a town
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Speaker 8: of city of five and a half million people. It's
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Speaker 8: bad news for Westpac this decision, But what I suppose
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Speaker 8: oka news for them is that in the last few
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Speaker 8: months it's been revealed at Sydney median house prices is
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Speaker 8: at one point seven million dollars and that means they're
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Speaker 8: going to make a lot of money off the debt.
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Speaker 8: That's so many young Australians we have to take on
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Speaker 8: to get into the housing market. One way we could
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Speaker 8: solve that is by allowing people more, maybe making some
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Speaker 8: rules about it, making businesses basically, big businesses like Westpac
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Speaker 8: allow people to be flexible and live up in a
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Speaker 8: beautiful This is a wonderful place here where there's amazing
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Speaker 8: here tonight. But you've got to have a job. You've
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Speaker 8: got to have a job to move to a place
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Speaker 8: like this, So why don't we do that? And look,
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Speaker 8: I've got a lot of time for the Financial sector Union,
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Speaker 8: to be honest, I've worked closely with them, particularly on
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Speaker 8: the disgraceful behavior of the big banks closing country bank branches.
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Speaker 8: I haven't got a lot of sympathy for Westpac, so
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Speaker 8: I'm on the side of the worker on this one.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Look, I don't have a lot of sympathy for work
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Speaker 3: Westpac either, but I have a lot of sympathy for
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Speaker 3: employers around the country right now under very strict and
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Speaker 3: harsh rules.
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Speaker 2: But look, let's move on. Anthony ar but easy.
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Speaker 3: He's back in Australia from the US, and I've got
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Speaker 3: to say he can't even hide his humorous He's given
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Speaker 3: himself his own rock star welcome. He arrived at Sydney
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Speaker 3: airport this afternoon, donning a T shirt featuring English rock
19:21
Speaker 3: band Joy Division. It was on full display. There we go,
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Speaker 3: we can see on our screen.
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Speaker 2: Now.
19:26
Speaker 3: I just think that this particular comment by Donald Trump
19:29
Speaker 3: has really gone to his head.
19:30
Speaker 2: Let's have a look.
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Speaker 10: I think he's doing a really good job, and we've
19:34
Speaker 10: had a very good relationship.
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Speaker 11: I don't want to compare one with the other, but
19:37
Speaker 11: I'll tell you this one is they've got a great
19:39
Speaker 11: They really have a great Prime Minister.
19:42
Speaker 3: Oh, Basil, look the humorous it's on full display. I
19:45
Speaker 3: don't know what you think, but to me it was
19:47
Speaker 3: very obvious.
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Speaker 9: Look, just for one moment, divorce what you think about
19:52
Speaker 9: the respective personalities Donald Trump and Anthony Albertiz. I know
19:56
Speaker 9: that can be difficult for a whole range of people
19:57
Speaker 9: to have a clear line of thought on this, but
20:01
Speaker 9: whichever way you dress it up, it cannot have gone
20:04
Speaker 9: much better for Anthony Albanezi when he met with the
20:09
Speaker 9: President of the United States. I reckon even down to
20:12
Speaker 9: the fact that Kevin Rudd got a whack but then
20:15
Speaker 9: got let off as well. And I reckon even that
20:18
Speaker 9: if Anthony Albaniz he was writing what he would have
20:21
Speaker 9: liked to have happened to his ambassador, the former Prime minister,
20:24
Speaker 9: it would have been precisely that. So no wonder he's
20:27
Speaker 9: rocking the T shirt at the moment. He's feeling on
20:29
Speaker 9: very good terms with himself, that is for sure, but
20:32
Speaker 9: it doesn't last forever in politics.
20:34
Speaker 1: We know that no.
20:35
Speaker 2: And also, of course.
20:36
Speaker 3: Parliament resumes next week, so he's going to have to
20:39
Speaker 3: face the music eventually.
20:41
Speaker 1: Matt.
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Speaker 2: But what do you reckon? He's gone over there, he
20:44
Speaker 2: got the big pat on the back by the world's
20:47
Speaker 2: most important man.
20:49
Speaker 3: He has come back, he's got the rock and roll
20:51
Speaker 3: T shirt on Hubrius.
20:52
Speaker 2: What do you think?
20:55
Speaker 8: Well, look, I just think it's instructive and a little
20:58
Speaker 8: bit embarrassing for our country that the first time this
21:01
Speaker 8: Albanese administration has shown any bit of energy since the
21:05
Speaker 8: election is the day they went and spent a few
21:08
Speaker 8: hours with the Trump administration. I mean, finally we've got
21:10
Speaker 8: some action. There've been a government that's been low on
21:13
Speaker 8: energy since the election. I've been saying for all they
21:15
Speaker 8: need an injection of some red bulls to get going,
21:17
Speaker 8: and that seems to have happened, or some diet cokes
21:19
Speaker 8: like the President likes and suddenly they're doing things now
21:23
Speaker 8: in saying that the problem I've got, he's come back
21:25
Speaker 8: and it seems back to normal since he's left the US.
21:28
Speaker 8: The President's destroyed half the White House. I think he's
21:30
Speaker 8: getting old with it. Whether you like that or not.
21:32
Speaker 8: He's doing things.
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Speaker 1: What is this? What is that Prime minister doing? Get
21:35
Speaker 1: on with it?
21:36
Speaker 8: Because the best day of any agreement, any international agreement
21:40
Speaker 8: you do between two countries, the first day is the
21:43
Speaker 8: best day.
21:44
Speaker 1: It'll be the test. The test will be in a
21:45
Speaker 1: year's time.
21:47
Speaker 8: Whether he has actually got some rare earth projects going here,
21:49
Speaker 8: whether we still have ninety five percent of somewhere rarest
21:53
Speaker 8: controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.
21:54
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm a little bit more.
21:56
Speaker 8: Skeptical here, given this government's record, whether they can deliver
21:58
Speaker 8: on that.
21:59
Speaker 1: Focus a bit more on that before you show the Hubris.
22:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree.
22:03
Speaker 3: Well, Joy Division did sing love will tear us apart,
22:06
Speaker 3: So I mean, who knows what from here on in?
22:09
Speaker 1: Now?
22:10
Speaker 2: Look, I want to.
22:11
Speaker 1: He's a lot of love between the two.
22:12
Speaker 2: I don't think so either.
22:14
Speaker 3: I think is making it all up. Seriously, Now, look,
22:16
Speaker 3: let's talk defense. Senior military brass have been told to
22:19
Speaker 3: delay projects and ground aircraft to plug a massive budget hole.
22:23
Speaker 3: And all this comes as ORCUST cost saw and Labor
22:26
Speaker 3: insists is delivering a record boost defense spending Basil. Look,
22:31
Speaker 3: it doesn't really fill you with much hope, does it
22:33
Speaker 3: that Australia would be ready for war when you hear this.
22:37
Speaker 9: Huge project aucas We know that is certainly important here
22:40
Speaker 9: in Western Australia, just south of Perth. But no it doesn't,
22:45
Speaker 9: and we know what a huge hole that can leave
22:48
Speaker 9: in the budget. We're talking billions and billions of dollars,
22:52
Speaker 9: absolutely massive expenditure and our preparedness and our ability to
22:57
Speaker 9: defend ourselves. It always has to be questioned at a
23:01
Speaker 9: time like this, and they are it's right that those
23:03
Speaker 9: questions are asked. The concern is over the size of
23:08
Speaker 9: those numbers and how we get ourselves into a position
23:12
Speaker 9: to be able to give our defense capabilities everything they need.
23:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, look that's a fair call, Matt.
23:18
Speaker 3: What's your view should we be worried about this budget
23:21
Speaker 3: black hole?
23:23
Speaker 8: Well, looks like here we're robbing Peter to pay paula
23:26
Speaker 8: support the ORCUST agreement. But we have to recognize that
23:31
Speaker 8: most of the benefits of that agreement don't accrue to
23:34
Speaker 8: the twenty forties and beyond when we start getting some
23:37
Speaker 8: of these orcast submarines. Clearly we face threats between now
23:42
Speaker 8: and then, and we can't be scrimping on our response
23:47
Speaker 8: to those threats by just investing in the submarine. So
23:50
Speaker 8: we're going to be careful here that Orcust doesn't become
23:52
Speaker 8: a distraction from what are some of the detailed things
23:55
Speaker 8: we need to do. And in particularly I've said on
23:57
Speaker 8: the show before the Pete Hegseth wanted to work with
24:00
Speaker 8: us on guided missiles, we wanted to work with us
24:02
Speaker 8: on radar systems, and there's been zero response from the
24:05
Speaker 8: government about investing co investing with the United States on those.
24:09
Speaker 8: I thought we might get some details on that from
24:11
Speaker 8: this trip. But look, it's nice as we all focused
24:15
Speaker 8: on Kevin Rudd there, but again I want to see
24:18
Speaker 8: some real things being built.
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Speaker 3: No, I completely agree, fair point, Basil zemplus Matt Canavad.
24:23
Speaker 2: Good to see you both.
24:24
Speaker 3: Thanks very much for joining me on the show this evening.
24:26
Speaker 3: Really appreciate it. Well, let's move on more turbulence inside
24:30
Speaker 3: the coalition today and all over Kevin Rudd. I mean,
24:33
Speaker 3: who would have thought that our ambassador to the US
24:35
Speaker 3: would be causing so many headaches for Opposition leader Susan
24:39
Speaker 3: Lee after she called for his sacking following the Trump
24:42
Speaker 3: dressing down this week. Now, liberal Andrew Hasty has become
24:46
Speaker 3: the latest backbencher to disagree with her call.
24:48
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 12: We all make unwise comments, but he copped it on
24:52
Speaker 12: the chins of the country and we don't need to
24:54
Speaker 12: relive the humiliation. Trolling is trail Ambassador was good TV,
24:58
Speaker 12: but in the end, Kevin I copped it on the
25:00
Speaker 12: chin for the country and we move forward.
25:03
Speaker 2: Jodan now to discuss this and more.
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Speaker 3: Is liberal MP at Tony Pason, Tony, nice to see you,
25:08
Speaker 3: thanks for joining me. Was Susan Lee wrong to call
25:11
Speaker 3: for rud sacking or do you agree with her?
25:14
Speaker 10: I agree with the comments made by Andrew. We all
25:18
Speaker 10: make in temperate comments from time to time, and things
25:22
Speaker 10: have moved on, and I think it would be taking
25:25
Speaker 10: the relationship somewhat backwards to move in any other direction.
25:30
Speaker 10: And I think, to be honest, I'm comfortable with where
25:35
Speaker 10: it's sitting right now.
25:36
Speaker 3: Right So is it now really awkward for Susan lamb
25:39
Speaker 3: And there's one backbencher after another coming out disagreeing.
25:42
Speaker 2: I mean, what position does it put the leader in.
25:45
Speaker 10: Well, that's a question that you'll need to ask her, Janika,
25:49
Speaker 10: But as you saw today, I think she was a
25:51
Speaker 10: little uncomfortable with that line of questioning. But I'd like
25:56
Speaker 10: us to be focused on the not the personalities. And
26:02
Speaker 10: we heard from Matt Canavan just then the kind of
26:05
Speaker 10: discussions we need to be having with America in terms
26:07
Speaker 10: of our national security, and we need to push those communications,
26:12
Speaker 10: those discussions forward, and I don't think you know internal
26:17
Speaker 10: naval gazing about where where, position and comments that have
26:20
Speaker 10: been made in these things. Let's move forward and continue
26:23
Speaker 10: with the relationship. And as Matt and you and others
26:27
Speaker 10: have been saying, the Prime Minister had a very good
26:30
Speaker 10: trip to the US. I'm pleased because that means the
26:33
Speaker 10: relationship between Australia and the US is in good order,
26:38
Speaker 10: and it needs to be in good order economically for
26:41
Speaker 10: our national security. These are very important relationships and we
26:46
Speaker 10: need to maintain them as best we can well.
26:48
Speaker 3: Look absolutely, especially after such a period of uncertainty as
26:51
Speaker 3: to where the relationship was at.
26:53
Speaker 2: Now look Tony.
26:54
Speaker 3: Parliament of course, resumes next week a lot of drama,
26:57
Speaker 3: particularly the Nationals over Barnaby Joyce as possible defection to
27:00
Speaker 3: one nation, but a big one next week for the
27:03
Speaker 3: coalition will be Net zero, with meetings for all MPs
27:06
Speaker 3: on Monday and Friday to discuss the policy. How would
27:09
Speaker 3: you like to see Susan Lee navigate this? And there's
27:12
Speaker 3: clearly a split and it's very obvious in the party
27:15
Speaker 3: on whether to ditch the twenty fifty target or not.
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Speaker 10: Well, if I'm being frank at denek Or, I would
27:22
Speaker 10: like to party to meet as the joint party Room,
27:25
Speaker 10: both the Liberal Party and National Parties and discuss in
27:29
Speaker 10: detail our respective positions and adopt a policy. And we
27:34
Speaker 10: come as no surprise to you or your viewership that
27:38
Speaker 10: I would like to see us dump net zero where
27:42
Speaker 10: it's a policy that's driving up electricity costs, it's costing jobs.
27:47
Speaker 10: I'm speaking this week on Barnaby's bill. I've indicated previously
27:53
Speaker 10: an intention.
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Speaker 13: To vote for it.
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Speaker 10: We've got a briefing on Monday from the Center for
27:58
Speaker 10: Independent Studies which is going to put mbly talk to
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Speaker 10: us around the costs of pursuing net zero and the
28:04
Speaker 10: report and the work they've done and then there is
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Speaker 10: a meeting on Friday of MPs with Dante. And now
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Speaker 10: the disappointing thing about that, Daneka, is that that meeting
28:15
Speaker 10: has come about because of the leadership coming from the
28:17
Speaker 10: backbench shaying that we should meet to discuss our respective positions.
28:22
Speaker 10: Let's share this information, let's talk about how we're positioned,
28:26
Speaker 10: let's talk about our electorates. I congratulate Melissa Macintosh for
28:30
Speaker 10: the work she's done listening to her election. I'll be
28:33
Speaker 10: interested in her view now that she's done that exercise.
28:37
Speaker 10: But it shouldn't be for the backbench to be deriving
28:40
Speaker 10: those discussions. This should happen in the joint party room.
28:44
Speaker 13: Now.
28:44
Speaker 10: The difficulty with Friday, Janika, is that the National Party
28:48
Speaker 10: aren't available because they've got their own commitments, and many
28:52
Speaker 10: of my colleagues aren't available on Friday for that discussion.
28:58
Speaker 10: That's why we have a party room meeting on a
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Speaker 10: Tuesday every sitting week, and that's the place to have
29:03
Speaker 10: these policy discussions and debates. And I'm disappointed we haven't
29:05
Speaker 10: done that.
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Speaker 3: Look, I completely agree with you, and I just want
29:08
Speaker 3: to bring up Melissa Macintosh, as I mentioned earlier in
29:11
Speaker 3: the show, the letter that she wrote to her constituents
29:14
Speaker 3: the results of polling found that sixty five percent so
29:17
Speaker 3: that they do not support net zero, eighty seven percent
29:20
Speaker 3: so that they do not support net zero at any cost. Now, Tony,
29:23
Speaker 3: she's yet to actually come out on a formal position
29:25
Speaker 3: on this, but she's always said that she would go
29:27
Speaker 3: with the view of her electorate.
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Speaker 2: That's what she said in this letter.
29:32
Speaker 3: I mean, I just wonder is it going to get
29:33
Speaker 3: harder and harder now for Susan Lee from here on
29:36
Speaker 3: in to actually make a decision.
29:39
Speaker 10: Well, I've said previously to Aker, I can't see the
29:41
Speaker 10: Liberal Party going to the next election with a position
29:44
Speaker 10: other than one which is opposed to net zero. And
29:47
Speaker 10: the dial is moving in community. You know, spring in
29:51
Speaker 10: my electorate is show season, shows and field days every weekend.
29:56
Speaker 10: There's nothing more organic than standing at your mobile office
30:03
Speaker 10: with people coming up to speak to you. And I'm
30:06
Speaker 10: yet to have one person come up to me and say,
30:09
Speaker 10: you know what keeps me up at night the fact
30:11
Speaker 10: that we need to make sure we commit to net zero.
30:15
Speaker 10: I do have people coming up and saying I can't
30:17
Speaker 10: afford my power bills. I do have people coming up
30:19
Speaker 10: and saying my employer is very worried about the cost
30:22
Speaker 10: of production and that might mean something for my job.
30:24
Speaker 10: And I do have people saying, look, we just can't
30:27
Speaker 10: afford basics anymore and we're having to go to food
30:30
Speaker 10: back now. I don't know how against that background, any
30:35
Speaker 10: member of Parliament, any member of Parliament, least of which
30:38
Speaker 10: members of the Liberal Party, could maintain such an illiberal
30:41
Speaker 10: position as to support net zero by twenty fifty or
30:44
Speaker 10: in fact.
30:44
Speaker 3: Ever, No, absolutely, I mean our power bills are meant
30:48
Speaker 3: to come down by two hundred and seventy five dollars,
30:50
Speaker 3: they've gone in the opposite direction.
30:51
Speaker 2: Tony.
30:52
Speaker 3: It keeps getting worse and we have no plans to
30:54
Speaker 3: keep the lights on in this country, and it's such
30:57
Speaker 3: a big problem. Tony Payson, nice to catch up. Thanks
31:00
Speaker 3: very much for joining me on the show this evening.
31:01
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. We're coming up after the break. The Royals
31:04
Speaker 3: make history with a landmark visit to the Vatican while
31:07
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew languishes in another self made scandal at home.
31:10
Speaker 2: Brendan O'Neil will have the details later.
31:13
Speaker 3: And it's Groundhog Day in Sydney this Sunday, with another
31:16
Speaker 3: pro Palestine protest targeting the Sydney Opera Bridge Sydney Harbor
31:20
Speaker 3: Bridge rather, but this time they're kayaking under it and
31:23
Speaker 3: it involves anti coal protesters.
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Speaker 2: Alex Ripchin is next. Welcome back.
31:31
Speaker 3: Well, here we go again, another protest targeting one of
31:33
Speaker 3: Australia's most iconic landmarks. This time it's the anti coal
31:38
Speaker 3: group Rising Tide, who plan to paddle across Sydney Harbor
31:41
Speaker 3: in kayaks to the Opera House before.
31:44
Speaker 2: Joining a pro Palestine rally.
31:47
Speaker 3: Joining me now to discuss this and more is Executive
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Speaker 3: Council of Australian Jury co CEO Alex Ripton.
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Speaker 2: Alex, thank you very much for joining me.
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Speaker 3: Can you think of any link between climate change and
31:58
Speaker 3: the war between Israel and Tomorrow?
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Speaker 14: No, I mean you're talking about two completely disconnected and
32:06
Speaker 14: unrelated issues. I mean the only common link I can
32:08
Speaker 14: find is Greta Thumberg, who was obviously the champion of
32:11
Speaker 14: one cause, seems to have gotten tired of it and
32:13
Speaker 14: has latched on to the new popular cause of the left,
32:17
Speaker 14: which is Palestine. But they have nothing in common. There's
32:20
Speaker 14: no connection there. But it shows that these people, they
32:23
Speaker 14: just want to protest. It doesn't matter how disconnected the
32:25
Speaker 14: causes are, how tenuous the link between climate and Israel is.
32:30
Speaker 14: They want to go out there and protest. They tried
32:32
Speaker 14: to take the Harbor Bridge and the Opera House by land,
32:35
Speaker 14: they failed, and now they want to do it by sea.
32:37
Speaker 14: But it's extraordinary because they've been exposed so wholly for
32:41
Speaker 14: the frauds that they are, particularly since the ceasefire has
32:44
Speaker 14: come into effect and the war has really ended between
32:47
Speaker 14: Hummas and Israel. If these people cared a shred for Palestinians,
32:52
Speaker 14: they would be protesting in the streets now when Hummus
32:56
Speaker 14: is literally rounding up hunting Palestinians and summarily executing them,
33:01
Speaker 14: shooting them in the back of the head in the
33:03
Speaker 14: streets of Gaza. But they don't talk about that because
33:05
Speaker 14: it doesn't fit in with the ideology. If they truly
33:08
Speaker 14: cared about climate, they would be going to Israel to
33:11
Speaker 14: learn how we can import their technology. Israel as a
33:15
Speaker 14: world lead and renewables in solar energy, in drip irrigation.
33:19
Speaker 14: It is the only country that finished the last century
33:22
Speaker 14: with more trees than it started.
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Speaker 13: But they don't care about climate.
33:25
Speaker 14: They care about their ideology, which is anti Western it's
33:28
Speaker 14: anti Australian and it's anti Israel.
33:31
Speaker 13: That's all they care about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. Where are the protests a protest is now.
33:35
Speaker 3: They've been particularly silent in the last fortnite because they
33:38
Speaker 3: have nothing else to say.
33:40
Speaker 2: Now, look, let's talk about Pennywong.
33:42
Speaker 3: She's refused to say whether Jerusalem, including the Western Wall
33:45
Speaker 3: and the Jewish Quarter lies within Israel or the newly
33:49
Speaker 3: recognized state of Palestine. The Foreign Minister insists it's a
33:52
Speaker 3: final status issue to be settled in negotiations. I'll find
33:56
Speaker 3: this extraordinary, Alex. What do you make of Pennywong's confusion
34:00
Speaker 3: on this?
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Speaker 14: Well, recognition of a Palestin state was supposed to be
34:04
Speaker 14: final status issue as well. That was the position, bipartisan
34:08
Speaker 14: position in Australia for about eighty years and that's been
34:11
Speaker 14: upended by this government. But it shows how poorly thought
34:15
Speaker 14: through this notion of recognition is. And we saw also
34:18
Speaker 14: in Senate Estimates Senator Claire Chandler asking some very pointed
34:22
Speaker 14: questions of senior bureaucrats. We've now recognized the state of Palestine,
34:27
Speaker 14: what are its borders, what is its territory?
34:29
Speaker 13: What is its capital?
34:30
Speaker 14: And no one seems to be able to answer those
34:32
Speaker 14: questions and the five minutes to kind of answer them either.
34:34
Speaker 14: Because the reality is is that there is no actual,
34:38
Speaker 14: factual Palestinian state. And that's the fast that's been exposed here.
34:43
Speaker 14: But the only source I think we can take from
34:45
Speaker 14: all this is that the whole notion of recognition of
34:47
Speaker 14: a Palestinian state, this collusion between Australia, Canada, the French
34:51
Speaker 14: and the British, it's been relegated almost to insignificance by
34:55
Speaker 14: actual peace delivered by the United States together with Israel.
35:00
Speaker 14: Now we see what that looks like. It actually changes
35:02
Speaker 14: lives on the ground. It delivers the prospect of prosperity
35:06
Speaker 14: in a different way, in a different pathway for the
35:08
Speaker 14: peoples of the region.
35:10
Speaker 13: And they're not finished.
35:10
Speaker 14: They're now looking at wider engagement, broadening the Abraham Accords.
35:14
Speaker 14: There's talk of peace with the Saudi Arabians, with Indonesia
35:18
Speaker 14: and a true regional integration.
35:21
Speaker 13: That is the real show.
35:22
Speaker 14: That's what's really happening, And all this talk about symbolic recognition,
35:25
Speaker 14: it's been exposed for the folly that we all knew.
35:28
Speaker 13: It was from the beginning.
35:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it has been a real folly from the beginning.
35:33
Speaker 2: Now, the US Vice President JD.
35:35
Speaker 3: Vance has been in Israel over the past few days
35:37
Speaker 3: and he's given this update on the ceasefire.
35:40
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
35:41
Speaker 13: Even in the past twenty four hours, it's had a
35:44
Speaker 13: lot of.
35:44
Speaker 9: Good conversations with our friends in the Israeli government, but
35:46
Speaker 9: also frankly, with our friends in the Arab worlds.
35:48
Speaker 5: We were stepping up and volunteering to play a very
35:51
Speaker 5: past form.
35:53
Speaker 2: So he's saying it's been positive so far.
35:55
Speaker 3: How important is this visit do you think, Alex, particularly
35:58
Speaker 3: a week after this year steal that set the hostages free.
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Speaker 13: I think it's really critical.
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Speaker 14: It just shows that the US has not finished its
36:08
Speaker 14: business here, that it's in no way turning its attention
36:11
Speaker 14: to other matters. It's still laser focused on the disarmament
36:15
Speaker 14: of Hummas and its final defeat and proper regional peace
36:19
Speaker 14: and regional engagement. That's what it's looking at. And sending
36:22
Speaker 14: the Vice President there to convey that message, I think
36:25
Speaker 14: is of critical importance.
36:27
Speaker 13: There's still a great deal of work to be done.
36:29
Speaker 14: We're glad, we're ecstatic that the living hostages are back,
36:32
Speaker 14: but the deceased ones a dozen or more of them
36:36
Speaker 14: are still kept by Hummas. Hummas is being very ambivalent
36:41
Speaker 14: about the notion of disarmament, and there's grave doubts about
36:44
Speaker 14: whether it's willing to do so, particularly now that it's
36:46
Speaker 14: turning its guns on its own people. There's talk about
36:50
Speaker 14: peacekeeping operations involving Arab and Islam and countries, and we
36:54
Speaker 14: know from the history of the region that historically that
36:57
Speaker 14: hasn't worked well. Peacekeepers have little skin in the game
37:00
Speaker 14: and they haven't kept the peace. They've put their weapons
37:02
Speaker 14: down at the first sign of trouble. So there are
37:05
Speaker 14: things that needs to be worked through. The peace plan
37:07
Speaker 14: needs to be implemented in full, the full twenty points.
37:10
Speaker 14: But again, the fact that JD. Vans is there on
37:12
Speaker 14: the ground, it's a very good sign.
37:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, And obviously also, you know, indicates how seriously the
37:18
Speaker 3: US is taking this so soon after that deal came
37:21
Speaker 3: through that they're already on the ground. Alex Ripton, good
37:24
Speaker 3: to see you, Thanks very much for joining me on
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Speaker 3: the show this evening, well still to come. King Charles
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Speaker 3: is making history by becoming the first king in five
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Speaker 3: hundred years to pray with the Pope, but his younger
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Speaker 3: brother Andrew is praying he can keep his rent free
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Speaker 3: mansion will go live to London shortly. Plus the critical
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Speaker 3: minerals deal everyone's talking about, but what.
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Speaker 2: Does it actually mean? That's next.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back. Well, let's talk now about the critical minerals
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Speaker 3: deal that's got everyone, especially China talking, Australia's rare earths
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Speaker 3: deal struck with the United States this week. Now, both
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Speaker 3: countries will invest one point five billion dollars into a
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Speaker 3: pipeline of projects in an effort to reduce China's monopoly
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Speaker 3: of the market. For more on this, I'm now joined
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Speaker 3: by MBA Director and senior lecturer in Trade and Geopolitics,
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Speaker 3: doctor Nisha McDonough. Thanks very much for joining me, Welcome
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Speaker 3: to the program. Let's break down this agreement. Why has
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Speaker 3: it happened now?
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Speaker 11: So essentially a bit of context is important here, Danika,
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Speaker 11: and thank you, and good evening from Pert. By the way,
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Speaker 11: so basically, the US and China have been involved in
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Speaker 11: strategic economic competition since Trump one point all carry true
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Speaker 11: tol Biden carried true to Trump two point doll and
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Speaker 11: it's escalated at every step along the way. Each side
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Speaker 11: is trying to ensure the other side can't get strategic leverage,
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Speaker 11: and in the US's case, they've been cutting China off
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Speaker 11: from semiconductor technology, really important high tech, advanced AI chips, etc.
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Speaker 11: China is very unhappy about that, and it's also unhappy
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Speaker 11: about the tariffs that have been leveraged against its economy.
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Speaker 11: The US is essentially trying to decouple its industry. China's responded,
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Speaker 11: has played its biggest ace card, to put it in
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Speaker 11: Trump terms, and this is China's control over rare earths.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, China's been watching this deal very closely
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Speaker 3: and not wrong. It's interesting because Donald Trump said the
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Speaker 3: other day that this has taken several months. So I
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Speaker 3: feel like the deal's obviously been a long time coming.
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Speaker 3: But the question is will the agreement actually work?
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Speaker 11: Do you think, Well, the deal has been a long
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Speaker 11: time becoming because China has been using this card previously
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Speaker 11: and has been developing its domestic regulations in terms of
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Speaker 11: enhancing export controls. So everybody knows this has been coming
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Speaker 11: actually since twenty ten was the first time China used
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Speaker 11: this card against the Japanese at that time, so we've
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Speaker 11: had time to do something. We've admired the problem far
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Speaker 11: too much and I think finally countries are starting to
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Speaker 11: get on top of this. So the groundwork has been
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Speaker 11: put in throughout the year, and then China actually dropped
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Speaker 11: its biggest bomb in October by strengthening these rare earth
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Speaker 11: controls so tightly that, for example, Danika, if you're using
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Speaker 11: zero point one percent of Chinese rare arts in you're manufacturing,
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Speaker 11: and you're a private firm anywhere in the world, you
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Speaker 11: must now apply for a license. You must tell China
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Speaker 11: what you're doing with those rare arts, and if you're
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Speaker 11: giving them to a military end user, you won't get
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Speaker 11: them right. So that's kind of what we're up against,
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Speaker 11: and that's why this deal has been set.
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Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 11: The question you asked, will it work right? This is
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Speaker 11: a really difficult challenging industry. China's decades ahead of everybody.
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Speaker 11: It's highly technical. Mining these rare earths is hard. Turning
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Speaker 11: them into actual metals that you can use in industry
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Speaker 11: defense products in particular, they're very important. That's even harder again,
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Speaker 11: and at the moment, the rest of the world doesn't
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Speaker 11: really have a lot of the know how or the
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Speaker 11: capital to do that. Aside from a very honorable exception
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Speaker 11: being Linus Resources here Australian firm based in Western Australia
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Speaker 11: and they were actually supported by Japan in the early
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Speaker 11: twenty tens and are the only kind of significant supply
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Speaker 11: of rare arts currently. So will it work Time will tell.
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Speaker 11: But it's a really good deal to begin with. There's
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Speaker 11: quite a bit of money on the table to start
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Speaker 11: a lot of exploration and pre feasibility studies. Australia is
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Speaker 11: quite a number of projects ready to go, and so
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Speaker 11: this is the kind of effort we now need from government.
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Speaker 3: Is it a good deal for Australia and for taxpayers
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Speaker 3: or what's actually involved?
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Speaker 2: Do you think and ensuring that this is good and
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Speaker 2: works for us?
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Speaker 11: Look, honestly, this is a high risk endeavor, right. So
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Speaker 11: there's the supply side, which Australia is really well placed
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Speaker 11: to support a lot of minds. That has the resources here,
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Speaker 11: that have the rare arts, and it's a mining nation, right,
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Speaker 11: it has the experience, just not it still needs to
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Speaker 11: build up in rare arts in particular. Right, so Australia
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Speaker 11: can play a really key role. The government can foresee
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Speaker 11: that if the rest of the world, or at least
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Speaker 11: key countries in industrial sectors the EU stock create Japan.
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Speaker 11: If they get on board and are willing to pay
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Speaker 11: for the price of security of supply, then they're actually
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Speaker 11: there's a viable, profitable industry for Australia. If they don't
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Speaker 11: get on board, then there's a high risk that taxpayer
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Speaker 11: money doesn't go to good use. Now there's also another
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Speaker 11: element to this. We can't measure rare earth security of
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Speaker 11: supply solely on profit because we need it for a
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Speaker 11: defense industry. If you want to have Archie submarines, Australia does.
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Speaker 11: If you want to have thirty five jets, Australia already
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Speaker 11: has those, and you want to keep producing those, you
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Speaker 11: have to have those rare earth inputs otherwise your defense
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Speaker 11: sector doesn't work. So there's a cost of this that's
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Speaker 11: beyond standard economics.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot involved in it, that's for sure.
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Speaker 3: NASA McDonald, good to catch up. Thanks very much for
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Speaker 3: joining me on the show. I appreciate it. We don't
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Speaker 3: go anywhere. Our man in the UK, Brendan O'Neil, will
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Speaker 3: have all the details of the latest royal scandal.
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Speaker 2: Next, welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Let's turn to the UK now, where a Channel migrant
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Speaker 3: who had already been deported somehow managed to sneak back
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Speaker 3: into Britain. The Iranian man arrived on a ding on
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Speaker 3: August six and was deported six weeks later, but by
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Speaker 3: Saturday he was already back in Britain. Joining me now
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Speaker 3: is Spiked online chief political reporter at Brendan O'Neil Brendan. Look,
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Speaker 3: this just proves that Keir Starmer's one in, one out
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Speaker 3: policy is a complete joke.
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Speaker 7: It's a shambles. It's more like one out, one back in.
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Speaker 7: It's ridiculous and in fact, you know, I think we
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Speaker 7: have deported twenty or so migrants over the past few
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Speaker 7: weeks or past couple of months. In that time, thousands
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Speaker 7: of new illegal immigrants have rocked up on Britain shores.
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Speaker 7: We're talking around seven hundred or eight hundred men every
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Speaker 7: single day in these small boats sailing across the English
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Speaker 7: Channel and being put up in hotels in Britain, being
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Speaker 7: given three meals a day, being given dental appointments, doctor's appointments.
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Speaker 7: We're creating incentives for these people to cross the English Channel.
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Speaker 7: That's the truth of the matter. And it's not surprising
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Speaker 7: to me that even people who are deported are trying
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Speaker 7: to come back because Britain has become insanely a really
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Speaker 7: soft touch for ille immigrants.
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Speaker 3: Yeah well, I mean when illegal immigrants have been given
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Speaker 3: the royal treatment, of course they keep coming back. It's
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Speaker 3: such a shame on ordinary Brits. Now, look, Keir Starmer's
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Speaker 3: inquiry into grooming gangs is going as well as his
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Speaker 3: immigration policy. Labor can't actually find anyone to chair it,
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Speaker 3: with its last remaining candidate, former Deputy Chief Constable Jim Gamble,
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Speaker 3: pulling out due to political opportunism and a.
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Speaker 2: Lack of trust.
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Speaker 3: Brendan, How unfair is this to the survivors. I mean,
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Speaker 3: Labor can't even get a proper inquiry up and running.
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Speaker 7: It's horrifically unfair. It's another shambles, But this is a
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Speaker 7: far more serious one because people will be familiar with
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Speaker 7: the grooming gang crisis. These were white working class girls who,
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Speaker 7: over a period of years were groomed and raped across
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Speaker 7: the country by gangs of mostly Pakistani Muslim men, and
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Speaker 7: official then turned the other way. It looked the other
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Speaker 7: way and it let the abuse carry on in certain situations.
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Speaker 7: It's one of the biggest scandals of post war Britain,
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Speaker 7: and these women are still not being treated seriously, They're
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Speaker 7: still not being believed. And I find it's so interesting.
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Speaker 7: You know, the women were supposed to believe, and the
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Speaker 7: women were not supposed to believe. So you'll remember that
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Speaker 7: when Hollywood actresses said that they were assaulted or abused
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Speaker 7: by producers, we were told believe all women. But when
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Speaker 7: Israeli said that their women were abused and raped on
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Speaker 7: seventh of October, suddenly we were told not to believe it.
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Speaker 7: It might be made up, it might not be true.
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Speaker 7: When middle class journalists in Britain said that a Tory
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Speaker 7: MP put his hand on their knee, that was all
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Speaker 7: over the papers.
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Speaker 13: You had to believe it.
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Speaker 7: But when these working class girls said that they were
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Speaker 7: being abused by gangs of Pakistani Muslim men, it was
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Speaker 7: brushed under the carpit. You know, feminism has created this
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Speaker 7: hierarchy of victims. Women we should trust and women we
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Speaker 7: shouldn't trust. I think that's incredibly dangerous, incredibly divisive.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree with you, and I just yeah,
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Speaker 3: I really my heart goes out to all the survivors.
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Speaker 3: Let's turn to rhyme, King Charles and Queen Camilla arrived
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Speaker 3: earlier today to begin their historic state visit. As we speak,
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Speaker 3: the royals and the Pope on their way to a
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Speaker 3: special service in the sustained Chapel Brendan.
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Speaker 2: How historic is this moment?
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Speaker 7: Hugely historic. This is going to be the first time
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Speaker 7: that a British monarch has prayed with the Pope since
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Speaker 7: the Protestant Reformation five hundred years ago. I mean, really
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Speaker 7: extraordinary stuff. I think this is really positive for the
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Speaker 7: Catholics in Britain. You know, the Catholic community here, which
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Speaker 7: includes the community I come from. It's a minority community,
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Speaker 7: but it's they're good people and it will be very
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Speaker 7: good for them to see the King of this country
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Speaker 7: praying with the Pope, the head of their own church,
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Speaker 7: the head of their religion. I think it's really positive,
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Speaker 7: it's really historic. I just hope the Prince Andrew scandal
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Speaker 7: doesn't overshadow it. I also hope that King Charles doesn't
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Speaker 7: make any kind of you know, relativistic, soft political, politically
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Speaker 7: correct statements. I hope he embraces the historic Christian nature
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Speaker 7: of this moment and appreciates how important it is.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely we've got some live pictures of the Sustaine Chapel
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Speaker 3: on our screen now as Rome awaits the arrival of
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Speaker 3: the King and Queen, and we will keep our viewers
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Speaker 3: up to date with that throughout the evening.
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Speaker 2: Brendan.
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Speaker 3: They're in Rome, but look, they can't escape the saga
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Speaker 3: that's Prince Andrew. Even the UK Prime Minister is supporting
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Speaker 3: an investigation into his living arrangements after it was revealed
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Speaker 3: the Prince hasn't paid rent for his thirty room mansion
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Speaker 3: in twenty years, and now his royal biographer claims that
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Speaker 3: the Prince allegedly urged staff and friends to find women
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Speaker 3: for him, with a preference for ballerinas and blondes.
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Speaker 2: It just seems to get worse and worse.
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Speaker 13: It's awful.
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Speaker 7: You know. I'm not a died in the Wall monarchist.
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Speaker 7: In fact, I was a huge fan of Queen Elizabeth
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Speaker 7: II like most people, but I do think Britain should
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Speaker 7: probably become a republic at some point in the future,
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Speaker 7: and Prince Andrew is really propelling me forward in that
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Speaker 7: view because he's bringing shame on the royal family. He's
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Speaker 7: bringing shame on Britain. In fact, this is a man
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Speaker 7: who is in line to the throne. Still he's still
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Speaker 7: called prince, and yet he is behaving in a way
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Speaker 7: that is incredibly unbecoming of an institution that was led
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Speaker 7: by his mother so well for so long. It's embarrassing,
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Speaker 7: and I do think King Charles is going to have
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Speaker 7: to do something about his brother or he'll just cast
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Speaker 7: a shadow over this family for the next few years.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm just going to continue following them around no
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Speaker 3: matter what.
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Speaker 2: Like a bad smell, but it is.
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Speaker 3: I think it's quite frankly embarrassing your spot on, Brendan O'Neill.
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Speaker 3: Nice to catch up with you as always, Thanks very.
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Speaker 2: Much for joining me on the show.
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Speaker 3: And as we mentioned, the King and Queen are in
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Speaker 3: Rome for what will be and historic visiting the Sistine
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Speaker 3: Chapel this evening.
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Speaker 2: To pray with the Pope.
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Speaker 3: It's never been done before by the British monarch, so
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Speaker 3: we will be keeping you up to date with that
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Speaker 3: throughout the evening.
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Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for. Thanks very much for
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Speaker 2: your company.
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Speaker 3: I'll be back tomorrow night at five pm for my show,
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Speaker 3: but stay tuned. Coming up right now, it's Paul Murray.
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Speaker 2: Good night,