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Bob Dunkle airs out Vermont · Aired Out

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  Speaker 2: Roderick Cook, Josh Hardy, Christine Murphy, Colleen Cheney, Eric Beach,
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  Speaker 2: and Lori Goyet. Bob Duncle is running for a Republican
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  Speaker 2: seat Republican candidate for the Vermont House in the Windsor
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  Speaker 2: Orange District, which includes what Bob Royalton and Tonbridge. I
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  Speaker 2: think right, Good morning, my friend, welcome.
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  Speaker 3: How are you? Thank you? It's nice to be here
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  Speaker 3: on this famous couch. Dude.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so, I'm so, I'm honored that you're here. We
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  Speaker 2: have a lot to talk about. But first, just a
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  Speaker 2: big giant welcome. You've seen Vinnie in here. I mean
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  Speaker 2: everything that that he's saying that he's doing. Uh. You
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  Speaker 2: just referred to him a minute ago as off the
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  Speaker 2: air as a mover and shaker.
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  Speaker 4: He is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a person who's taken a tragic situation and
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  Speaker 3: turn it into a positive momentum towards resolution.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we have, and we're gonna be talking about that.
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  Speaker 2: Uh this morning, we're gonna talk about fentanyl, and we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk about the proposal to change some laws, maybe
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  Speaker 2: rewrite some some things, and maybe create some some fresh
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  Speaker 2: ink on some fresh paper when it comes to that specifically. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's start. Uh, let's let's start with you. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, There we go, there you go. All right, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: let's start with you. You you and I've done a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of reading up on you. You're proud to be
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  Speaker 2: an American. You're absolutely you're a Republicans. How Uh you
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  Speaker 2: don't you don't walk around with the big R on
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  Speaker 2: your forehead or your T shirt.
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  Speaker 3: No, my initials are are yeah N D. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm an American. I don't care. We were
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  Speaker 3: just talking about Gabe Lodgeness, who's been here several times.
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  Speaker 3: I never knew he was a Democrat. But we're great friends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gabe's an incredible guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, I'm very proud to be an American.
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  Speaker 3: My dad was a he graduated from Annapolis in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: sixty one. He was part of the Cuban Blockade. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: so I should be a year older. But he was
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  Speaker 3: out at sea, so wow. And then I served, or
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  Speaker 3: my dad served in Europe. So we lived all over
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  Speaker 3: the place and I got to see firsthand what a
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  Speaker 3: non American lifestyle is like. And you know, we got
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  Speaker 3: it good here.
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  Speaker 2: We really do interesting. Yeah, Gabe must have taken particular
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  Speaker 2: interest to to that that heritage. Yes, that's cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you say that we need to be more of
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  Speaker 2: a bipartisan state. There's plenty of us that are out
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  Speaker 2: there saying, yeah, good luck.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it starts with the person. I mean I
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  Speaker 3: I I remember when I first met Gabe. We go
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  Speaker 3: to the same church. I didn't ask him well before
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  Speaker 3: we before we can be friends, I need to fill
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  Speaker 3: out this questionnaire. Yeah, you know, it's who cares? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: really for the most part, most people don't care you.
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  Speaker 2: I was reading a little bit on your Facebook page.
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  Speaker 2: You say we need people who will work together for
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  Speaker 2: from it, not personal interests. We cannot afford partisan politics
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  Speaker 2: in the state. We are literally fighting to survive as
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  Speaker 2: a state and people who are clinging on to staying here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was out to drive this whole a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I've been out knocking on doors in Tunbridge, in Royalton,
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  Speaker 3: meeting people, which I'm really grateful for the opportunity to
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  Speaker 3: do that. I don't think if I was running. If
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  Speaker 3: I was not running, I would have taken that opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: But I met a family in Tunbridge as I was
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  Speaker 3: literally as I walked up to their door, they were
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  Speaker 3: packing to move to Tennessee. It's very sad to see
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  Speaker 3: that young kids, young family can't afford Vermont. So they
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  Speaker 3: were literally on their way out. Their friends were there
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  Speaker 3: saying goodbye, and that night they were on the road.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we really need to put aside all these
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  Speaker 3: differences that require us to vote, act and think in
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  Speaker 3: a certain way sure, and start thinking about what wasn't
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  Speaker 3: the best interest of Vermont, what's going to bring people
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  Speaker 3: here and keep people here?
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing to hear rob Leclair, who's running for
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  Speaker 2: from Mont Senate, and Gabe both in here on the couch,
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  Speaker 2: who are pretty much saying the same thing. There's just
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  Speaker 2: so many of us that are looking out for our
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  Speaker 2: personal interests. We're invested in in lobbying groups, and we
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  Speaker 2: just some of us that are walking around and let's
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  Speaker 2: be honest, pop pretty well disguised. Sure, this state's got
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  Speaker 2: a lot of work to do.
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  Speaker 3: Man, it does, but like I said, it starts with
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  Speaker 3: the individual. I mean, lobbyists are only as powerful as
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  Speaker 3: people give them the power to be powerful. You know,
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  Speaker 3: stop listening to them, Start thinking about your neighbor. Start
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  Speaker 3: thinking about that family down the street that doesn't drive
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  Speaker 3: anywhere because they can't afford the car, or they can't
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  Speaker 3: afford to inspect the car or even put gas in
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  Speaker 3: the car, and so they have to catch rides. I
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  Speaker 3: volunteer with a group in Tunbridge that helps people, and
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  Speaker 3: they there are people who need rides to go get
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  Speaker 3: their haircut, need rides to go to the grocery store.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we need to help them those people by
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  Speaker 3: by thinking more about them than about our own pockets
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  Speaker 3: and about the guy that's trying to get us to
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  Speaker 3: vote in a certain way because that's the national agenda.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much division going on right now. There's
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  Speaker 2: there's so many of us that are walking around with
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  Speaker 2: a chip on our shoulder. It's what we're it's what
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  Speaker 2: we're seeing, it's what we're hearing, it's what's showing up
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  Speaker 2: in our algorithms on our phones, and it's creating neurological
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  Speaker 2: connections in our minds. And I think so many of
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  Speaker 2: us walking around in a fog. We're in our We're
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  Speaker 2: in our own echo chamber. We're only listening to folks
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  Speaker 2: who agree with us and are banging our are the
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  Speaker 2: same drum. You got to start thinking outside of the box.
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  Speaker 2: What's just good for people?
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  Speaker 3: You do? Yes, I think of all these experiences I've
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  Speaker 3: had in my life that relate to what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't want to get too wordy with stories,
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  Speaker 3: but when I was sixteen, my dad came home one
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  Speaker 3: day and said, guess what, We're being transferred to Germany.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not going to Germany. The only
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  Speaker 3: thing I knew about Germany at the time was the
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  Speaker 3: war movies that I watched on TV, and I had
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  Speaker 3: a German teacher at school who was part of the
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  Speaker 3: part of the Nuremberg trials, so I knew her stories.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't a positive Rosie feeling about Germany. I only
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  Speaker 3: knew what I had been fed from whatever it was.
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  Speaker 3: At that time, it was movies, but now it's Facebook,
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  Speaker 3: it's you know. So I moved to Germany with a
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  Speaker 3: chip on my shoulder. You know, these people are not
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  Speaker 3: worthy of, you know, our protection. Whatever it was as
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  Speaker 3: a sixteen year old kid. I'll tell you what. The
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  Speaker 3: first time I got a in Germany was at a McDonald's.
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  Speaker 3: Ironically enough, that was off base, and the kids that
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  Speaker 3: I worked with were German kids. Best friends in my
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  Speaker 3: still my best friends really over, you know when I
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  Speaker 3: heard their stories and their family stories and how they
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  Speaker 3: coped with the same experience that everybody else had to
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  Speaker 3: cope with. But from their point of view, we're all
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  Speaker 3: the same. Yeah, you know, we all have to be
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  Speaker 3: to understand that we breathe the same air, we live
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  Speaker 3: under the same sky. We love our kids, we love
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  Speaker 3: our families. We want to be able to eat every day,
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  Speaker 3: we want to be able to take care of our responsibilities,
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  Speaker 3: and so having the people that make that possible for
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  Speaker 3: us by providing good legislature is very important.
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  Speaker 2: You ended up graduating from high school in Germany.
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  Speaker 3: I did Patch American High School, So a shout out
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  Speaker 3: the class of nineteen eighty one.
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  Speaker 2: You've lived in a couple of different states I have.
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  Speaker 2: You've got some You've you've experienced some culture. I have.
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  Speaker 2: What's it like here in small town Vermont? I mean, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm still here, like you're you're in Tunbridge.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still here. I've loved just about every place
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  Speaker 3: I've ever lived. Uh, just really fine friends for great people.
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  Speaker 3: But Tunbridge it's like a big family. When when I
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  Speaker 3: first I don't know if I can tell this story
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  Speaker 3: without getting a little bit emotional, but when I moved
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  Speaker 3: to Tunbridge with my family back in two thousand and seven,
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  Speaker 3: my wife and I thought that she had just overcome
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  Speaker 3: her cancer. We had just buried a son a few
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  Speaker 3: years before that, and uh, and so it's been a
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  Speaker 3: tough time. We our family song was when you're going
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  Speaker 3: through hell, keep on going. Yeah, you know. It was tough.
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  Speaker 3: And then within six months of being there, we found
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  Speaker 3: out that her cancer had come back and she was gone.
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  Speaker 3: Within six months. That wrapped itself around us. Fed us,
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  Speaker 3: cared for us, took care of the kids for me
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  Speaker 3: so I could cope with funerals and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean it was we hardly knew anybody. And
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  Speaker 3: I can tell you tons of stories about those experiences
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  Speaker 3: for other people that I've been blessed to be a
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  Speaker 3: part of. That That makes it so I want to
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  Speaker 3: stay in Tunbridge. Yeah, I want to fight for Tunbridge.
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  Speaker 3: I want to stand up for Tunbridge. I've been on
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  Speaker 3: the fire department there and the ambulance for twenty or
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  Speaker 3: twenty years home really, and it's been a great experience
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  Speaker 3: to be able to serve back to the community a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of what they've provided for me.
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  Speaker 2: You went to the fire department and wrote a note,
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  Speaker 2: had just stuck it on. What did the notes say, Oh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I can't remember exactly, something to the effect of,
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  Speaker 3: I'm new in town and would love to be a
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  Speaker 3: part of the fire department if you're interested, call me. Really,
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  Speaker 3: And they called me, And it's been great that some
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  Speaker 3: of the greatest people you'll ever meet on the fire department.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, twenty years ago, that's a long time.
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  Speaker 3: It hasn't changed that much. Well, really, twenty years went
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  Speaker 3: by like a dream.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think of Act one six two? Now
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  Speaker 2: that we're talking about the fire department and the fire chief.
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  Speaker 3: Well, so I'm going to give a shout out to
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  Speaker 3: the fire chief. This is the most selfless person I've
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  Speaker 3: ever met in my life, bar none. He will get
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  Speaker 3: up in the middle of the night to help you.
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  Speaker 3: I remember coming home from the college one night at
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  Speaker 3: ten o'clock or eleven o'clock at night and going up
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  Speaker 3: Tunbridge Mountain Road and getting stuck in the mud. I
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  Speaker 3: mean so bad there was no helping it. I called
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  Speaker 3: him up. I said, Simon, I'm sorry to boom. He
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  Speaker 3: was there.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what time was this about?
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  Speaker 3: Eleven o'clock at night? He got up, got in his truck,
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  Speaker 3: came and pulled me out. You know, I hope I'm
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  Speaker 3: that way for somebody. But I can tell you that
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  Speaker 3: he gives everything he is he is, He just gives
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  Speaker 3: everything to people. And so when the state came to
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  Speaker 3: him and said you are now required to be the
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  Speaker 3: Fire War Award, you know, no request, no ask you.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that was a little bit too much, and
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  Speaker 3: I was mad, you know, how arrogant it is of
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  Speaker 3: the state not only to tell him that he had
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  Speaker 3: to fulfill this responsibility, which was already being well taken
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  Speaker 3: care of by our former fire chief John Durky and
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  Speaker 3: Brenda Field, for you know, she's been doing it for
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  Speaker 3: fifty years, but he's required to do this. And so
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  Speaker 3: when he asked questions, but how does this work? They
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  Speaker 3: don't know the answers because they rolled us out so
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  Speaker 3: fast and gave him less than a week's warning to
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  Speaker 3: take over this responsibility. They didn't have the answers to
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  Speaker 3: his questions. And I'm thinking to myself, how can you
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  Speaker 3: pass rules and regulations without basic answers to questions They're
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  Speaker 3: to come up, like where do I fill out the paperwork?
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  Speaker 3: How do I get you know, the reports turned in?
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  Speaker 3: How do I get the training that I need? That
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  Speaker 3: None of that had been thought of before by these guys,
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  Speaker 3: and so we I suggested. Tolm Eden had said, we're
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  Speaker 3: not doing fire permits anymore, burned permits. We're gonna turn
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  Speaker 3: you over to the state and let the state handle that.
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  Speaker 3: I said, Simon, do the same thing. You haven't got
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  Speaker 3: the time for this, and and nobody else now can
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  Speaker 3: do it except for you. So just turned over the state.
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  Speaker 3: So we did. We put on I'm the president of
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  Speaker 3: the fire department. So we we counseled together quite a bit.
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  Speaker 3: He's the chief, he's the he's the guy in charge,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm I'm the president that helps out with things.
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  Speaker 3: And so so we did. And so now the states
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  Speaker 3: come back and said, okay, now the ledge of the
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  Speaker 3: town select Board can choose a fireward instead of requiring
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  Speaker 3: it to be the fire chief. So that there's so
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  Speaker 3: that's a change. He just got that letter. So we celebrated.
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  Speaker 3: We're very pleased with that.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Man, you can't make this stuff up. No, you can't.
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  Speaker 3: You can't.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, you know I have to ask you about
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  Speaker 2: uh Act one eighty one. Everybody's got an opinion on it.
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  Speaker 2: But there is a group out there, Carl, called Rural
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  Speaker 2: Vermont Rising. Are you familiar with them.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very familiar with them, and I have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of respect for that.
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  Speaker 2: Group farmers, and I'm right on their Facebook page right here,
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  Speaker 2: Farmers Families, Democrats, Republicans United by our Love for our Land.
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  Speaker 2: Act one eight one threatens rural landowners across Vermont. We're
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  Speaker 2: nonpartisan unaffiliated and focused on one thing, making sure rural
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  Speaker 2: vermontors have a voice. This is uh, this is a
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  Speaker 2: funky bill. And John Rogers was in here talking about it,
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  Speaker 2: so was was Gabe and and Rob Leclair. What say you? Well,
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  Speaker 2: I echo that, don't don't hold back.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Ready you can.
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  Speaker 3: Want Well, no, I don't swear unless I'm really uptight,
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  Speaker 3: then I might drop a bomb or two. But anyway, Ah,
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  Speaker 3: so let's go back to the constitution. Right, we're guaranteed life,
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  Speaker 3: liberty to pursuit of happiness, and included in that is
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  Speaker 3: property ownership. We're guaranteed it. That's that's sovereign. That's that's
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  Speaker 3: my piece of land. I should be able to do
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  Speaker 3: what I want with it unless I buy it knowing
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  Speaker 3: that there's certain restrictions already on it. Right, then I'm
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  Speaker 3: accepting that.
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  Speaker 2: Before you buy it.
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  Speaker 3: Right. But you've got the other side of the fence
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  Speaker 3: where one eighty one comes in and says, well, you
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  Speaker 3: don't really know what you're doing and taking care of
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  Speaker 3: the land, so we're going to help you with that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's a very paternalistic, very Yeah, it's an
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  Speaker 3: attitude that I don't know how it came out of
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  Speaker 3: Vermont in the first place, because Vermont's a lot more
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  Speaker 3: independent than that and a lot more freethinking and so,
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  Speaker 3: and then our representative puts it on Facebook. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have a chance to read the whole thing
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  Speaker 3: because it's two hundred and twenty pages, so I held
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  Speaker 3: my nose and voted for it. Well, why he didn't
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  Speaker 3: get run out of town just for saying that when
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: there's so many people negatively impacted by it. I don't know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: but I do know that that can't stand. And really,
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  Speaker 3: you know, this dovetails into the ADEQUICCI that TRR tro
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  Speaker 3: O r C, which is a land management type. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they help you the guide towns into how to manage
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  Speaker 3: the land and manage the building and all that stuff. Again,
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  Speaker 3: I went to that meeting in Bethel last week, very paternalistic,
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  Speaker 3: very condescending. Yes, we understand you owned the land, but
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  Speaker 3: you really don't know how to own the land, so
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna help you manage that process. You know, It's
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  Speaker 3: like I just bought my new car. My dad's gonna
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  Speaker 3: help me learn how to drive it properly. And if
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  Speaker 3: I don't do it the way he likes it. He's
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  Speaker 3: going to keep the keys. Very same attitude. Yeah, people
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  Speaker 3: were objecting. People were saying, well, what about this language
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  Speaker 3: you're putting in there? They don't care. So they've changed
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  Speaker 3: it from an advisory organization to thou shalt thou shalt
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  Speaker 3: not with your land. Well, who gave them the right
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: to do that?
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: The legislature? Why? Who knows? Maybe it's an agenda that
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: they have. I don't know why. I know that there's
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: an overall plan I feel like in Vermont to build
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: larger communities and then empty the rest of it out
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: and just make it a wilderness. That's not realistic.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: You know, I have a a friend born and raised
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: right here in Vermont who says that a lot of
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: this type of stuff, this mentality, and these types of
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: folks are from out of state who are moving up
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: here and slowly integrating into our population and changing our
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: culture with the mindset of we know better or we
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: know best, right, and we're here to help you.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It kind of reminds me.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Verners don't like the New Englanders don't really like that,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: but especially Vermnits.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: No, but Vermonors seem to be taking it and that's
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: what really surprises me. You know, it's kind of like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: you know, there's several comparisons to that, the guy that
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: moves in next to the airport and buys a house
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: and then starts trying to shut the airport down because
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: it's too noisy.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I live in a small town out west for a
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: number of years, beautiful farming community. The mistake they made
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: was building a highway through that area, and then people
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: started moving in and telling them how to run the town.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: The farmers are gone, you know, everything's gone. It's now
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: a bedroom community to Salt Lake City. So you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: you've got And when I moved here and I was
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: on the select board, I said, you've got to prepare
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: for this time where that's going to happen. You will
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: have people coming in from out of state. A lot
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: of Texas truck cars now are license plates, a lot
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: of California plates, and you know, there's not a great
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: lot of love. And I'm going to get in trouble
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: for this, for people from California from where I just
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: moved from. The Governor of Utah's actually said we got
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: to stop this. We got to stop these people from
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: moving in here because they've taken away the culture, they've
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: taken what they run away from and try to implement
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: it to where they're going. And they're going to do
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: the same thing here. It's not necessarily Californias, but New
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Yorkers or Connecticut people. Uh. You know, if you want
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: to come to Vermont, come to Vermont and live in
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Vermont because you love it the way it is, not
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: because you think I can make it a better place
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: by changing it. Yeah, it won't be long before people
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: are gonna say, I don't like driving on dirt roads.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, let's pave them. Wait a second, we need
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: all season tires up here? Of course, don't do we
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: have to have snow tires? Yeah? I know, I know
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: what you're saying. Man, you know what you're say.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: They're gonna say, wait a minute, why do we have
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: to put up with mud season? Yeah, we can pave
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: this and not have to worry about it anymore, exactly,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: you know, And they don't care what the cost is
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: because they can absorb the tax increase. But it's the
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: person who's living next door who can't afford the tax increase.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The guy that I was just talking about is
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: on the line with a newdy. Are you there, man,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I'm here.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: How are you?
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: What do you think of Act one eighty one and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: everything that's going on in the state.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Oh, I think I think you probably could guess how
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: I feel about that. I mean, I think, I mean,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: I haven't read the whole bill, but from what I've
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: heard from the news, you know, this is a lot
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: of it is exactly like you're saying, it's about people
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: who are moving here and trying to say, well, now
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: that I'm here, I want to control everything. And and yeah,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: I'm with you. I think I think people who move
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: here need to, you know, need to assimilate, you know
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: what I mean, Like if you're coming from another state
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: where you're used to paved roads, don't come here and
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: try to tell us we can't have them, you know.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's so many there's so many little things
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: you know in this that that you know, it just
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: reads of like people not appreciating Vermont for what Vermont
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: has always been, and and and people. You know, the
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: worst thing, man, I remember listening to the interview with
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: the Lieutenant governor and he was saying that, you know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: he had a kind conversation with a legislator down in
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: down in Montpellier. Uh, you know who was you know
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: who was for this one eighty one stuff. And he
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: was for the tax increases. And he said, well, you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: I know it's a lot of money in taxes, but
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: I can afford it. And that is the problem. We
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: have elected legislators who can afford one thousand dollars a
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: year in property tax increases. Yeah, and I don't know
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: about you, but I can't. So, you know, and I
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: think we are with the majority of Vermonters, at least
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: those who are working Vermonters. I realized there's a lot
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: of folks who have moved here who are wealthy and
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: and sure they can afford to run for office and
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: they can afford to pay that those taxes, but the
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: majority of us can't.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Speaking of taxes, new tell Bob what your taxes are,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: and what's your what's your about your about your income
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: and the check that you write to the state of Vermont.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Which is so interesting. Bob's laughing already, he has even
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: heard he has even heard the story. But go ahead.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: We're not going to get deep into my income, of course,
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: but but you know, the taxes that I pay on
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: my property. I you know, I've got a anchors with
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: two thousand square feet of house, well eighteen hundred actually,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: I you know, we round up but and uh and
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: and a couple of garages. But like you know, these
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: are unheated shed type garages and uh and you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: fourteen brand a year, you know, and it's it's been
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: going up every year by about that much, like we
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: were saying one thousand dollars. And it's it's it's just unsustainable.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I have really close friends who farm in Tunbridge. They
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: were paying twenty thousand dollars a year on their acreage
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: and they were forced to go into the land use
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: program just so they could afford to keep the farm,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: which puts all of its own different restrictions on what
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: they can do with their land and what they can't
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: do with their land. But you know, I I'll tell
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you what. If you want to preserve your land in Vermont,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: if you want to have open space, if you want
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: to have Vermont have you know, everybody loves the cows
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: on the hillside and all that stuff, then protect your farmers.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Stop driving them out of business with these ludicrous boundaries,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: these rules and regulations and these mandates that they have.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: There are twenty three no, I'm sorry, eighty three thousand,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty two at last count shells and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: shell nots on farmers and small businesses in Vermont. You
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: can google it. It's unbelievable. We are, for the size
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: of our state, the most restricted and the most mandated
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: state of any state in the country. My son moved
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: to Texas. His farmland that he farms is tax free
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: because they want farms in Texas, they want that rural
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: agriculture they want to And he's twenty eight. He's yeah,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: he's twenty nine now. But he bought his house because
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: he could afford it in Texas and he could afford
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: the taxes, and he can afford the farm down there
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: as a part time farmer. He works for a larger company.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: But the point is that in Vermont we penalize the
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: people who are doing what we say we want to
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: have done in the long run, and so stop it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Just stop it. Give the incentive that I know lots
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: of kids who want the farm, but they look at
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: what's happening to their parents or to the people they know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: and they're saying, not worth the hassle. I agree.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: And you know, farming is tax has earned income just
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: like any other business, because absolutely farms are their businesses.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: And and you know, in Vermont you're paying earned income
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: rate to the federal government wherever your tax bracket happens
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: to fall, and then you're paying another twenty eight percent
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: of what you paid to the Feds to the state
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: in personal income tax, right, and it's all based on
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: earned income. So you know, you know, I run a
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: couple of really small businesses. One of them has a
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: few part time employees, the other one doesn't. And what
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: I'm doing right now is cleaning a rental house because
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: you know, somebody's got to do it, and that's all
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: part of like running a small business. But man, do
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I pay a fat tax bill for the privilege of
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: running small businesses?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I gotta tell you what, what is what percentage is
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: that new like of what percentage of your income are you?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Are you given to.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Vermont nine point eight percent of my income because it's
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: twenty eight percent of audity of the so you know,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: nine point eight on top of whatever you pay to
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: the Feds. It's it's it's nuts, I mean, and I understand,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: like what's going on here is we have a state
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: that's physically the size of New Hampshire and has half
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: as many residents, and we're losing people constantly, you know
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: we are now, I mean we were gaining people, although
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: many of those were people from out of state who
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: you know, wanted to come here and change the state.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: What we need is to keep Vermonters here when they
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: graduate from high school and college.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Well let's talk about that for a minute. Yeah, holy smokes, yeah,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: you you nailed that. I mean, what, what did the
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: pole come out? Sixty percent of kids that they're living
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: in Vermont want to leave? Why forty percent?
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: I think forty percent of people. It may have been
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: sixty percent of young people.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think it's sixty six percent
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: of young People's what I saw. The University of New
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Hampshire did a poll or a study on that. You know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: what's driving them out of the state? Uh, you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I get it. Growing up in a small town you
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: want to go out and see the world. I get that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I got to see the world. So I can't fault
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: anybody for that. But what makes it so they can't
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: come back here?
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: M hm?
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Part of that is the cost of buying a house here.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: And part of that is is the high cost of
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: living here, which is a lot of driven driven by taxes,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: you know, And part of that problem is.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: We have.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: You know, we have a lot of people who have
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: bought we are we are high, we have a high
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: number of I think I think I've read somewhere that
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: we have the highest number of second homes per capita
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: in this state. And you know, part of that that
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: that's a huge issue. And I'm a firm believer that
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: we should we should tax anyone who buys a house
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: here who is not a resident or who grew up here.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: You know, if you're just coming from Connecticut or New
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: York or whatever and you want to drop a half
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: million or a million or whatever on a house, you
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: particularly those like half million dollars in under houses, we
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: should be taxing you, you know, two hundred percent on
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: that sale. Because you know, we've got to preserve housing,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: the availability of affordable houses for our residents so that
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: young people and young couples can afford to buy and
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: live in this state when they come back here from
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: college or when they graduate from college here in Vermont,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: preferably and.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Not getting not getting priced out by by by folks
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: who've got a lot of.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Dolltre correct, they should not have to compete with second
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: home buyers four houses, and we need to stop that.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: We need to do something about that in our legislature
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: here in Vermont.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, i'd I don't disagree with that. I think
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of moving parts to sustainability in Vermont.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: You know art we have in Vermont. And I my lifetime,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I did work with universities around the United States, so
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: I was a consultant. I did marketing and advertising, so
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I worked with a lot of different schools. What are
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: the schools that I really admires The University of Wyoming.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: They are If you haven't seen it, just google It's
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: it's amazing. I have state of the art everything. University
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: of Wyoming is the University of Wyoming. It's not the
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: University of Wyoming at Land or at the University of
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Wyoming at Cheyenne. The university it's at Laramie. If you
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: want to go to university in Wyoming, you're going to Laramie.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: And we have in this state, same similar population, not
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: nearly the land mass, six universities. And we had when
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I moved here I think nine, you know, and our
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: dorms are empty, not just the rooms, but whole buildings
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: are empty. We can't fill them. We can't. And it's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: so expensive to go to school here. And I coached
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: at Vermont State University for fifteen years. Sometimes they had
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: me pulling my hair out. You know. Well, we're gonna
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: we're gonna change the name of the university, or we're
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: going to consolidate Lyndon and Johnson into one university, but
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: we're going to keep both campuses. So we'll spend a
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: million dollars changing the name, but the expenses are going
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: to be the same. So what did we accomplish. We
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: didn't accomplish anything except for to spend an extra million
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: dollars changing the name of a university. You've got to
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: you've got to provide, of course, and then you've got
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: you've got us giving money to University of Vermont for
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: an indoor facility that was earmarked towards scholarships for Vermont students.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Who does that sixteen or twelve million dollars or whatever
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: it is that I mean, they don't need that from
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: us if they want to be a University of Vermont's school.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: They need to enroll a few more than twenty three
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: percent of their overall population from Vermont. And that's the
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: lowest of any university in the United States, by the way,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: by more than half.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: And so there's no there's no sense to what we're
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: doing in our higher education. Take that money and fill
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: the dorms in Las Vegas. The University of Nevada, Las
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Vegas offered in the University of Nevada, Arino offered free
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: tuition for anybody who would come to that school and
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: then stay in Nevada for five years. You know, that's
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: a great pology. I mean that changed that whole program
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: around free education, stay in Vermont economy, to stay in Vermont.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: You want to bring people to Vermont, give them a
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: reason to come here, not tell them, well, if you
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: want to move here, it's going to cost you more intuition,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: and it's going to cost you more to live here.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Well, give him a reason to come here, and give
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: him a affordability to stay.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Stay. But part of the problem is that we have
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: you know, we have a nine billion dollars a year budget.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Three billion of that comes from the FEDS, but we
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: cover the other six billion, And if you shrink the population,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: then my load of that six billion, because we don't
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: seem to know how to cut the expenses. When people leave,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: it gets gets bigger. So if you if you bring
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: in you know, gosh, if we could bring in ten
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: twenty thousand students into this state, then you're going to
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: lower that burden on everybody. Wow, And there's hope. Green
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Mountain College, I think, is the Green Mountain just sold
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: to an outfit that wants to bring a university here
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: and they won't be Vermontors. They'll be out of staters.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Which I'm not opposed to that either, because you need
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: to bring in fresh blood into Vermont. Keep what we have,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: but bring in fresh blood, fresh ideas, fresh, all of
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: it to integrate and not to change, but to integrate.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I think, boy, if you could put a stamp on
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: it and leave Vermont the way to overall we stand
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: out among states. I I do AIRB and B at
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: my house just so I can afford to stay here.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, if I do this, is anybody
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: even gonna come here? Tunbridge, Vermont. I'm full all the
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: time from people from every country in the world, and
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: they love it here. I just got a text message
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: from a couple guys in Germany who are coming back.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: They were here last year. They said, we loved Vermont
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: so much, and we loved your place so much. We're
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: coming back and we're staying at your place, and we
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: want to see more of Vermont. You know, we have great,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: great stuff here. We just have to market it, package it,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: and then make it affordable for the people who are
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: making it possible to stay here.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: New, thank you so much for joining us this morning.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Anything else you want to you want to close with,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: keep talking New, I mean it's.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Not really I think you know. One thing thing that
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: is good about the out of state students that we
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: serve is that they are paying full price, so they're
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: subsidizing the Vermont's students, which is really the way it
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: should be. So yeah, let's let's get as many of
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: them as we can.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: I can I add, can I say a little bit
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: of a caveat to that, we are also subsidizing New
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: York schools. We're the only state in the United States
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: that allows their students to take VSAC money or state
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: money for college right out of state. So we're supplementing
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: New Hampshire we're supplementing New York with our tax dollars
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: and we got to stop that.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: I absolutely agree with that.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Newt Thanks for hopping on, man.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man hey, thanks for the conversation and good luck.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that you you push,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Bob is the importance of taking the time And you've
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: already talked about this to reading and understanding a bill
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: before or you put your pen to it.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can you can you imagine? Can you imagine
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: some sales guy comes in the house and says, I'm
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: gonna sell you this and it's gonna have this effect
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: on your property? You can, and then you just signed
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: the paperwork without reading it. Would you ever do that?
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Would you ever sign a mortgage without reading understanding what
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: you're doing, what you're paying all that stuff? Then why
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: would you do that to your neighbor? Why would you
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: do that to the people in your community. I think
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: it ought to be a hard fast rule. You do
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: not vote on a bill unless you vote for or
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: you read it, unless you have a somewhat of an
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: understanding of what it says. Because it, you know, like
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: this fire thing, you know that was part of a
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: they'd slipped that in.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: One sixty two. Yeah, okay, yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. So like one sixty two, they slipped that in.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: They don't read all the details, and then all of
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: a sudden, everybody in the States in a panic because
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: they have responsibilities that they didn't have yesterday and they
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: have lesson a week to put it together.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: But when you're you're you're you're for the people. That's
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: your job. That's what you're being paid for to take. Yeah,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: but it's it's beyond of course, but it's beyond pay.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: That's no, that's what you That's what you vowed to do.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: I say that tongue in cheek, but it is what Yes,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: you vowed to do it. Not only do that, but
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: you have a fudiciary responsibility according to the uh Vermont
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: state Uh see uh? Where was that that? I read
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: that where you shall do no harm to to the
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: people of Vermont, to the to the your actions can't
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: give harm to the people in Vermont.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I quoted that in my writings because because it's very important.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: What you do as a legislature has ripple effects for
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: generations maybe sure and definitely short term. Make sure it counts.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Make sure it's important.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: You know, we're all busy, we're all distracted.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Right, But we can't be so busy and in such
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: a hurry to enact laws that we can't take time
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: to read what we're enacting.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: You say you want to meet with people in an
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: open form at least once per month. Yes, to talk
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: about what's happening under the Golden Dome and hear what
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: they have to say. Yes, it's what a concept.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Well, but I don't think it's an old concept. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: think it's just one we've lost track of.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: We've lost track of it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Who do I work for? If I go to
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: the legislature, who's my employee? It's the people of Tunbridge
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: and Royalton. They're the ones I have to answer to. Yeah,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you if I learned nothing else from being
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: raised in a military family. My dad commanded submarines. He
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: drove this home to me. He said, If I'm asleep
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: on my boat and it hits something, guess who's responsible
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: for it. Yeah, and I'm like the guy driving. No,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: it's the captain of the ship. If I'm sent to
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: the legislature to represent my people, I have to answer
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: to them for everything I do, not just in the legislature,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: but outside of the legislature, because I represent that community.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: You say on your your page here, my question is this,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: are we in such a hurry to pile on new mandates,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: new regulations, new laws that we cannot stop and look
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: at what we are doing and the effect it is
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: having on real people who carry the burdens of this
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: great state. Are the eighty three thousand regulations we already
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: have not enough? One of the uh, one of the
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: things that you say that you would love to draw
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: some special attention to is the penalties for distribution of fentanyl. Yeah,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: that is a big sigh.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: It's it's uh.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: You know, I we've we've met each other through Vinnie.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Right. I met VINNI because I knocked on his door
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: by the way, so you know. And one of the
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: things I want to say is, I'm really good at
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: building bridges, and you build bridges by going out and
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: meeting people, finding things that you have in common. Right,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Vinnie and I have something in common. We both have
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: children that passed away for different reasons. But that's a hurt,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: and that's a pain that you cannot share with anybody
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: else that hasn't gone through it. But also his desire
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: to do something about it, and my hopes to be
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: in a position to help him do something about it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: And so and that's that's why I'm sitting here because
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: he introduced me to you. So that's a big bridge.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Well, what we have right now is just it's it's
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: not enough. As you will say, this drug is so
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: lethal that possession of it to distribute should be attempted murder.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: End of story. Absolutely direct, Those are direct words from you.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. If I'm a bartender and I serve alcohol to
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: somebody who goes out and has an accident five miles
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: or ten miles away after he leaves my bar because
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: he was intoxicated, I'm going to be in trouble for it.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: If I'm If I'm distributing something that kills somebody, I'm
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: equally responsible. I you know, I cannot drive that. We
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: have tough laws. I looked it up. We have tough
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: laws on the books. We have some according to my
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: friend AI, we have some of the toughest rules on
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: the books in the country. We don't enforce them. We
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: don't take that stuff seriously. We let the people back
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: out on the street and they kill again, and they
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: kill again. And and you know, I don't care. You know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: we've had this conversation before. Some people say, well, he
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: was doing drugs, you know what, he deserved to die.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I mean no, you have hear that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: We hear that a lot.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not true. You know, you were driving
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: too fast? What so I deserve to get uh you
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: know whatever. I I mean, I deserve to get a ticket, yes,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: but not not dying necessarily. You know, I don't know.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: That's a tough one. You you bring harm to somebody else,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: you have to be held accountable for it. These guys
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: they know what they're doing, they know that what they've
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: got can kill. And regardless of that knowledge, they're still
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: giving it out right and and and in Vermont they're
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: giving out saying, well, if I get a rest, I'll
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: be out on the street again in a few days
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: and I'll be able to continue on my way.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You also, uh, we talk about how powerful this
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: this drug is in your training for the fire department, Yes,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: just being exposed.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a we've had to for fetanyl training.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: If I if I go on a call where a
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: guy's died of a suspected feanyl overdose and I touch
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: his skin, it can go into my skin and and
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: affect me in the same way, could kill me, could
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: make me very sick, send me to the hospital. So
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: we have special training on how to handle that, what towere,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: what to you know, what to use, and how to
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: protect ourselves. We I don't think I could say this.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: We cannot be tough enough on that stuff. We've got
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: to make it so punitive to be a part of
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: that that people are scared to come to Vermont, you know,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I you know, yeah, they're scared to come to Vermont
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: to bring that in because the consequences are going to
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: be so bad that it's not worth the hassle.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Listen, and I've discussed this with Joshua Lake, who's running
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: for sheriff. I've talked about this with Finny. There's a
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: market here in Vermont. There's a market for drugs, sure,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: and the word is everywhere that Vermont is go to
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: place if you want to sell drugs, that's where the
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: business is. And I always say this, but ninety one
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: North is a big problem. It's a big problem. Look
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: at the news just over the weekend, Hartford, Springfield, Albany,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: New Hampshire, even the word is out man. Vermont is
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the place to do business, and frankly, we really need
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: to I know that we have a lot of priorities.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I know that there's a lot of concern in Vermont,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: but where does where does our opioid crisis line? Is
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: it number three? Is it number one? Is it number five?
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Where?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: How? Yeah? How important is it?
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: How important are our kids? I mean, you got to
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: make that decision. What would I do to protect my child?
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: And what would I expect my representative to do to
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: protect my child? You got to ask that question. If
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: your children aren't that important at the future of Vermont
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: and their children aren't that important, It's going to be
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: reflected in our laws and in how we treat people
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: who jeopardize their existence.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: And the last time I had you on the air,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: we talked about how do we chip away at destroying
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the market right? And is it laws? Is it penalties?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that you said is we
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: just need more parents and grandparents to not just engage
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: with their kids more but more often.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give a shout out to my grandkids
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: because they're going to see this and tell them how
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: much I love them, and to remember the conversations that
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: we have about how you've promised me never to get
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: involved in this stuff so that we don't have to
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: have the conversation of where did we go wrong?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: How often do you have that conversation.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Every time I see them? Absolutely, it's you cannot you know.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: You can't assume that they're just going to take the
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: high road.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: The minute you stop talking about something that's important, it
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: stops becoming important. What's the most important asset that we
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: have in Vermond, It's our youth, It's our families. We've
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: got to treat our families like they are the most
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: important asset and do what we can to preserve the family,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: to make it easier to be part of a family,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: and to give the support to the families that they
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: need to raise their kids in a good way so
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: that they don't fall into this trap of you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: you can try these drugs one time and be hooked
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: for life. Some of the stuff. So I remember when
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I was in high school in Germany, LSD was the
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: deal and we talked about it all the time, how
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: one taste of LSD and you could be hooked for life.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: We actually had a prayer and I didn't bring it,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: but we had a prayer that we read as a
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: team about this so that we could keep each other
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: off of this stuff. I mean, you know, military life,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: it's very, very pervasive, and you can get trapped into
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: it very easily and quite innocently and then be judged
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: as being a bad person because of one bad choice.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: And that's not the case.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: And it hits all demographics.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: It hits all demographics, Republicans, Democrats, independence.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: White collar, blue collar.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we should all care and we should all do
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: what we can together to raise the threat, whatever it takes.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got an eleven year old. I worry about
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: it all the time. Sometimes that worry admittedly comes to
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: a level of I just I'd really rather not talk
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: about this. But after listening to you this morning, it's like,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: you can't be afraid of this shit. You've got to
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: talk about it.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: We teach our kids not to run across the road, right,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I mean why because if you do, you're gonna get
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: hit by a car. You know, look both ways. We're
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: very strict on that. We got to be strict on
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: everything that can threaten and jeopardize their future.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are judiciary, there's a lot going on here. Yes,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: we need tougher laws, as you've stated, right or or
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: enforce them. Enforce them. Our judicial system is in turmoil.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Why are we so permissive as a judiciary? Why why
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: are we so easy going on people who are threatened
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: to kill our kids? If we have the laws on
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: the books, I don't know what it takes. Maybe the
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: legislature needs to say, hey, no more, you need to
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: have mandatory sentences.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of talk about recovery and rehabilitation, right,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: which is important stuff. Absolutely, of course it's important, absolutely,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: But at some point we've got to We've got to
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: shift this thing because it's getting worse that this train
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: is going faster and faster and it's out of control
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: in our state. I mean, we've got people who, you know,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Vinnie's son was sober for several years, had one relapse,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: was given fentanyl, told that it was something else, took
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: that pill thirty minutes gone.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Where's the person that gave him that pill? I mean,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I'm just asking that as a rhetorical question, of course,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: but where's that person and why is that person?
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: This is one, Bob one story of so many that
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: have taken place here. From ut Tyler Matthews another one.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, the list goes on and on. Yeah, it's
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: all the time. No, it's it's a tragedy.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: It's one that we're not taking seriously where it's one
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: of those things where, well, it happened to somebody else
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: that will never happen to me, and then when it does,
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: you get the same response from people that you gave response.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: And we've got to stop that. We've got to say,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: this threatens all of us. Uh, We've got people wake
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: up because you could wake up tomorrow and find out
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: that your son or your grandchild just passed away because
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: they they'll put this stuff in food that you don't
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: even know you're eating it, right, you know, we talked
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: about it. Coca Cola had cocaine in it, all the
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: all these companies puts tobacco. How long did they say
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: that wasn't addictive before they finally said, okay, well maybe
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: it is, you know, and maybe they're really putting stuff
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: in there to keep you hooked on it forever. I mean,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: you know, let's wake up and see what it is
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: for what it is and say we got to stop it. Yeah,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: you know, we got to stop being so we're kind
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: of the we are the kindest people, right, We're very
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: kind as of people. We're very generous, we're very giving,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: we're very forgiving. But there's some things that you've got
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: to allow the consequences to be the consequences. Death is real.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Death isn't Death isn't like, oh, yeah, you're right, you know,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you feel bad. We'll bring them back. Yeah,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: it doesn't change. So the person to cause that death
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: has got to suffer an irrevocable consequence so that they
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: know not so the next person knows, I'm not doing that.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: The consequences are too bad. I'm not doing that.
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: Are.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Josh Lake reached out to me this morning, wants to
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: come on the air. I look forward to having them on.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: One of the conversations that we've had is that there's
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: a lot going on here. There's stuff in the legislature, obviously,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: but like like I was alluding to earlier, law enforcement,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: there's just not a million people that are lined up
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: waiting to be in a police officer, sir.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Can you blame them? And I can't, you know, But
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: there's the most important people.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I know, And now we've got Mont Pillier who's just
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: lost four to Northfield. You know, I mean, what a
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: cluster that is over there. I would do they have eleven?
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: I think, or I have a good friend who serves
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: on the mont Pilier. Yeah, I know, maybe it's bery,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: but but you know, the frustrations real.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: If you're going to hire cops and have laws, you've
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: got to allow them to enforce them. You can't say, well,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: you know, we don't like the way you have a
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: tough life. Yeah yeah, uh, and then you've got to
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: stop cutting the corners, letting them back out on. I
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: can't think of anything more frustrating. I've talked. I have
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: known state troopers. I know state troopers. You know, we
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: all do because it's a small state. We all know
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: people that serve and their frustration is we do what
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: we're supposed to do, and then they're back and we
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: see them on the street again two or three days
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: later doing the same thing. And that's because the consequences
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: aren't forced. You get what you get what you you
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: get what you put into it. So if you have
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: a drug problem in the state, you got to find
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: out why do we have a drug problem in the state.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: What are we not doing right. Well, we're not arresting
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: these people and then keeping throw away the damn key. Sorry,
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: but but you know, if you bring something in the
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: States that's gonna hurt my child. You know, in Texas,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: if I go into a house with the intent to
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: hurt somebody's child, I'm done. They'll shoot me and they'll
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: be they'll be applauding, applauded for it, right, and from
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: all we're like, oh, I understand you've had a rough
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: life or or you've you've whatever, and you need to
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: make money and so you got to deal this stuff.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you killed you know, a bunch of kids,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: but you know what, don't do it again, please and go.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: You know they're gonna do it again. We've got to say,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: you come into my state with the intent to hurt
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: my children, you're done. And that's and the reputation needs
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: to go out. Yeah, you go mess with Vermont. You're
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: done right in Texas. Don't mess with Texas and Vermont,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: don't mess with Vermont.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: We just got a comment, Bob, We got a lot
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: of comments here.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: You got to go back and read. You've got some
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: homework to do tonight. One of them says, I know
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: cops that are thinking about leaving Vermont because they're sick
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: of putting their life on the line just for the
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: courts to release them with a slap on the wrist.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I hope the courts are hearing this. I hope
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: other legislatures, other people who I don't know if I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to get elected, but whoever gets elected needs to
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  Speaker 3: take this message to the legislature and say, our number
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  Speaker 3: one priority is our future, and that's our kids, that's
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  Speaker 3: our families. Yeah, if we don't spend every effort we
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  Speaker 3: have to defend our kids, we're wasting our time with
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  Speaker 3: all these other laws and regulations that we want to
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  Speaker 3: impose on the farmers because we're not going to have
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  Speaker 3: them anymore.
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  Speaker 2: You've got over thirty years of creating coalitions and partnerships
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  Speaker 2: with so many different people.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even I can't even grasp at it.
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  Speaker 3: I've had some of the best experiences of my life.
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  Speaker 3: We got invited to go to the White House because
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  Speaker 3: of kind you know, some friends. We just be kind
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  Speaker 3: of people, serve people, help people, don't expect anything back,
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  Speaker 3: and you'd be surprised what happens in your life, be willing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I, Like I said, I'm here because I
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: knocked on a door. Yeah, one can You can't know
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: one door. You can't stay at home and stay on
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Facebook and read all the garbages on there and get
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: a true taste of what the world's like. Sure, but yes,
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  Speaker 3: I have a lot of experience building coalitions in all
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  Speaker 3: different fields, with the universities, with athletic programs that I've
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  Speaker 3: been in, with other political programs I've been involved in,
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  Speaker 3: and it's been fun. It's been a really rewarding experience.
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  Speaker 3: But it's important to be able to call on those
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  Speaker 3: people and say, hey, I need some advice in this.
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  Speaker 3: I need some ideas in this. I have a really
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  Speaker 3: good friend who I'll give him a shot out. His
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  Speaker 3: name's Craig Pool, coach BYU for thirty years head coach
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: track and field cross country. Then he went after he
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: retired and he became an Olympic coach down in Chula Vista, California.
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  Speaker 3: I have a question. An athlete comes and says, hey, coach,
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  Speaker 3: what about this? I don't know all the answers. If
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  Speaker 3: I say I know all the answers, I'm lying to
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  Speaker 3: you and that's the same with this. I'm lying to
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  Speaker 3: you because I don't know all the answers, but I
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  Speaker 3: know how to make a phone call, and I know
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  Speaker 3: how to say, hey, Craig, I have a question, and
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: he always answers the phone, and he always answers my
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  Speaker 3: question or even talks to my athlete. And I'm willing
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  Speaker 3: to do that with anything in life. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: all the answers, but I also know that there are
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  Speaker 3: other people who do, and if I'm friends with them,
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  Speaker 3: if I trust them, if I'm willing to reach out
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  Speaker 3: to them, they're more than happy to give me the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: advice that I'm looking for.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you the
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  Speaker 2: Facebook question of the day? Which which have you already
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  Speaker 2: seen it?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I just every day I drop a question of the
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  Speaker 2: day on Facebook. Sometimes it hits a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a beast nest and listen. If you don't want to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: answer this one, that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Bring it.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go. This is the literally the Facebook question
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  Speaker 2: of the day, and then we'll close out this morning.
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  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed my time with you.
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  Speaker 3: I have too, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Vermont has increased its legal cannabis possession limits. This all
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: went down July first. Adults twenty one and older can
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  Speaker 2: now legally possess up to two ounces of marijuana, increased
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  Speaker 2: from one ounce, and up to ten grams of hashish
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: increased from five grams. So things have been doubled. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: do you support And this is the question I've asked
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  Speaker 2: my followers and my listeners this morning. Do you support
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  Speaker 2: fromont increasing the legal cannabis possession limits or do you
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  Speaker 2: think the previous limits were enough?
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  Speaker 3: Short answer? I hate people to give long winded answers. No,
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  Speaker 3: absolutely not. Why would we experiment with drugs if we're
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: trying to keep our kids off of drugs? What message
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: are we sending? And the question is why why are
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: we increasing that? What's the purpose? To become more popular,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: to become better liked. I mean, Colorado's suffering consequences they
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: never dreamed of. Why would we want to follow that road?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: It's to me, it's yeah, we're opposed to our kids
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  Speaker 3: taking drugs, but we're okay if you're over twenty one
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  Speaker 3: taking some What kind of an example is that? That's
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  Speaker 3: like my grandfather, they're telling me not to smoke while
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: he's smoking away. You know, of course I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: try it because he's trying it interesting. It's a gateway drug.
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  Speaker 3: And we can argue this all day. The answer is no,
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  Speaker 3: I would oppose it if that's going to cost me votes.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie for votes. That's the way it is.
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  Speaker 2: You say, if you win, watch me closely, hold me accountable.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: I will represent with passion. I will bring a pair
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  Speaker 2: of scissors, and I will look for ways to ease
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  Speaker 2: the burdens that we all struggle to to carry here
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  Speaker 2: in Vermont.
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  Speaker 3: Well set man, thanks, Yeah, I mean it. I I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: was raised with accountabile. It was driven through me my brother.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: I want to give a shout out to my brother
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  Speaker 3: who served in the military in Iraq and in Panama.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I love my brother. I admire his example.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm accountable to the people who send me
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: to Every month, we'll have a meeting at the Tunbridge
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  Speaker 3: Town Hall or someplace like that. You come, you talk
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: to me, you say why did you do this? Or
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: I'll say, hey, this is on the table. You know,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: if it had been me, I would have been this
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: is one eighty one, this is what it says, this
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: is I don't know for sure what the impacts are.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: What say you like I said, I don't know everything.
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  Speaker 3: If I go up there thinking I know all the answers,
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  Speaker 3: I'm lying to myself, and I'm lying. I'm not. I'm
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: not I'm not treating my the people that I represent honestly,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: you say.
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  Speaker 2: The bottom line is we the people, choose who we
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: want to lead us and represent us. If you're happy
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: with how things are going in the direction that we're headed,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: then by all means, send the same people back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you get what you vote for. I mean, that's it.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: You can't. You can't complain about what's happening in Montpelier
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  Speaker 3: and then vote for the same people that are there.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: You just can't.
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  Speaker 2: Should there be term limits, Bob.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I don't want to. If I go in there,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be there more than two terms.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: I don't have the capacity or the patience maybe to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: do it for more than one term, but definitely no
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: more than two because I'll get burned out.
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  Speaker 2: Would you like to see a president of the United
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  Speaker 2: States at some point in your life who's I don't know,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: maybe in their forties or fifties, sixties tops.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I also think we need to create
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: an environment where people want to run for president of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: You know, these old people that are running, they got
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: nothing else to lose, and that might get me into
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: trouble too. But you know, yeah, absolutely, But we got
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: to make we got to stop being so mean to everybody.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: You know, the Republicans tearing but Joe Biden and Obama
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: and the Democrats tearing Trump. It's not conducive to a
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: happy society, you know, to harmony, to peace. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Man, you're spot on. Brother. Really have enjoyed having you
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: in here. You got a lot of comments to read here.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I appreciate it. I I love this state. This
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: is my home. You know. I have ancestors that lived
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: here and then you know, for whatever reason, my grandfather
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: was in the military and all that stuff. But I
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: love being here. It felt like coming home when we
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: moved back here. We we just came here. You know.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I offered in Utah to join the fire department. I
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: was on search and rescue. I did mountain rescue up there,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: avalanche stuff. But but yeah, but what but I wanted
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: to join our local fire department, and they said, well,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: we kind of like to have people whose ancestors came
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: across the plains on the fire department. That's okay. So
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: I was a little bit nervous when I put my
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: name on the door at Tunbridge. Yeah, and really surprised
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: that right away they called me up, said yeah, and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: and they paid for my I went through all the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: training that you needed, you know, the It was very exhausted,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: very hard training.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: But you still do it.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: I still do it. I do it because I love
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: the camaraderie. Yeah. I love the camaraderie there and I
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: love my community.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So I'll you know. And here's the other thing we
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: joke about. We get a fire call and we have
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: to go into a house to see if we're saving
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: somebody's life or if somebody's in there. We don't have
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: a question here before we go in. Wow, always say
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: is a Democrat? You know, I can't go in there? Wow?
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  Speaker 2: Is he?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Is he gay? Is he?
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  Speaker 4: This?
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  Speaker 3: Is he that? No, we go in there because that's
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: a human beings who needs to be helped. And that's
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: the way I think Tunbridge is. We're all human beings,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: we all live under the same sky. We all need
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: to build each other up and help each other today.
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  Speaker 2: More of us should be thinking that way everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in.
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  Speaker 3: Here, man, Thanks for having me uncover.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: We unpacked a lot, but.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: There is so much surface.
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  Speaker 2: Man. Welcome back in here anytime.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: I wish you luck on August eleventh. Yes, and I
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: hope that something is going to something is going to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: appear on paper that's going to help folks like Finnie.
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  Speaker 3: I hope so I I you know, and I'll fight
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: for it. I mean, I'm I'm obnoxious, I'm very passionate,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: I'm very outspoken. I'm going to be like, hey, wait
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: a minute, what about this? What about Why aren't we
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: doing this? Why are we going down this road when
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: we need to be going down this road? That should
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: be our top priority. How do we protect our kids
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: more than anything else. Yeah, and regardless, if I can
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: give a message, regardless of who you vote for, vote,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: it's a right that you have that many countries don't have,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: and it counts. It makes a difference. Go out and vote,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: be a part of the process, and then complain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly, Thanks Bob, Thank you all right, man,
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  Speaker 2: have a great rest of your day. Don't forget Sweethearts
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: and Heroes tomorrow. It's going to be an interesting show
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: as of as was this one, but Grandy Rayner from
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: the from An Agency is gonna be my guest. I'm
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: looking forward to it g on Thursday. It's gonna be
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: a great rest of the week. Here on the aired
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: out podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Ye attatatatatas
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