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- 0:01Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll
- 0:04Speaker 1: be your host Emily Simpson and my co host Shane.
- 0:07Speaker 1: You're supposed to say, just Shane, Shane, just Shane. All right.
- 0:12Speaker 1: Our last episode we did we went through a little
- 0:14Speaker 1: bit of the Karen Reid trial, but we also got
- 0:16Speaker 1: to the closing arguments and the verdict. However, I thought
- 0:19Speaker 1: it was important at the top of this episode just
- 0:21Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the Alberts and mccabes
- 0:24Speaker 1: because they decided to give interviews right after the verdict
- 0:27Speaker 1: came out. So let's talk about who was interviewed now.
- 0:30Speaker 1: Brian Albert, who was the one who owned the home
- 0:33Speaker 1: and he was a Boston police officer where John O'Keeffe
- 0:36Speaker 1: was found dead outside of his home, His wife Nicole,
- 0:39Speaker 1: his brother Chris, as well as his sister in law,
- 0:42Speaker 1: who we all know is Jen McCabe, the one who
- 0:44Speaker 1: testified in court, and her husband Matt All spoke to
- 0:47Speaker 1: ABC News in an interview which was released on Friday,
- 0:50Speaker 1: June twentieth. This was two days after Karen Reid was acquitted.
- 0:54Speaker 1: All five were witnesses at Reed's first trial. However, when
- 0:59Speaker 1: they did the reach trial. Jennifer McCabe was the only
- 1:01Speaker 1: one who testified at the retrial. Now, I was thinking
- 1:04Speaker 1: about this, and I assume the prosecution puts on their
- 1:07Speaker 1: on their case and they were like, Okay, we don't
- 1:09Speaker 1: need any of you to testify again because that did
- 1:12Speaker 1: not work the first time around. So Jen McCabe was
- 1:15Speaker 1: the only one who actually testified for the prosecution.
- 1:18Speaker 2: You mean you think that they had her testify and
- 1:21Speaker 2: then after it was a bad testimony for them, then
- 1:25Speaker 2: they decided not to have anyone else.
- 1:27Speaker 1: No, I think all of these people that were all
- 1:29Speaker 1: within the house all testified in the first trial, and
- 1:33Speaker 1: then when the retrial came along.
- 1:34Speaker 2: Okay, so even before the second trial, they realized like,
- 1:37Speaker 2: this is not a good idea.
- 1:38Speaker 1: I think they were like, none of they're not credible,
- 1:40Speaker 1: and we're just not going to put them on. So
- 1:42Speaker 1: Jen McCabe, who is the who is the sister in
- 1:46Speaker 1: law of Brian Albert who owns the home, is the
- 1:48Speaker 1: only one who testified at the retrial. All right, So
- 1:51Speaker 1: let's just go over a little bit of what they did.
- 1:53Speaker 1: The families have been accused by Reid and her defense
- 1:56Speaker 1: lawyers to be the ones who were responsible for John
- 1:58Speaker 1: O'Keeffe's death. That was the That was their defense was
- 2:01Speaker 1: that there was a conspiracy and that these police officers
- 2:06Speaker 1: all conspired together that something happened to John within the home,
- 2:09Speaker 1: and then that they put the body out on the lawn.
- 2:11Speaker 1: They blame Karen Read for it. But in the interview,
- 2:13Speaker 1: Brian Albert describes the theory as quote preposterous and silly.
- 2:18Speaker 1: You do realize for this conspiracy to be true, it
- 2:21Speaker 1: would take thirty to fifty people to be in on it.
- 2:23Speaker 1: This is what Albert told Matt Gutman, who is the interviewer.
- 2:27Speaker 1: I don't understand how people buy this.
- 2:29Speaker 2: You're gonna price speak to it, but I don't know
- 2:31Speaker 2: if I agree with it takes thirty to whatever people
- 2:33Speaker 2: to be in on it.
- 2:34Speaker 1: So I had the same question. I remember when this
- 2:38Speaker 1: trial was going on, initially thinking if this is a
- 2:41Speaker 1: conspiracy and that's the defense's play, it really is astonishing
- 2:46Speaker 1: to me that someone has not come forward or spoken
- 2:49Speaker 1: out or broke this pack that they have.
- 2:52Speaker 2: It's not surprising to me. It happens a lot. If
- 2:54Speaker 2: there's like a drug party and someone dies, there's all
- 2:56Speaker 2: these people at the party house and people are like,
- 2:58Speaker 2: I'm staying out of it, walking away.
- 3:00Speaker 1: Well, it makes me not like.
- 3:01Speaker 2: Their hands are dirty per se, they're just staying away
- 3:04Speaker 2: from it.
- 3:05Speaker 1: Yeah, And it makes me also think about pity. Yeah
- 3:09Speaker 1: and his freak offs. I mean, these have been going on.
- 3:12Speaker 2: For years, years, and those are people that don't even
- 3:15Speaker 2: benefit from the freak cops. They're just like security guard, janitors,
- 3:19Speaker 2: you know, pairman, Yeah, others delivering the baby celebrities.
- 3:26Speaker 1: So the fact that no one was talking about these
- 3:28Speaker 1: freak offs and there were so many people involved and
- 3:30Speaker 1: it went on for years and years and years, goes to.
- 3:33Speaker 2: Show you that you can have It's like you see
- 3:35Speaker 2: an accident, does everyone pull over and try to say,
- 3:38Speaker 2: I'm a waitness, I can help out. No, A lot
- 3:40Speaker 2: of people just think I gotta go to work and
- 3:41Speaker 2: these drive.
- 3:42Speaker 1: Off, all right. So, Brian Albert also addressed one of
- 3:45Speaker 1: the major criticisms Reid's defense had on his conduct of
- 3:49Speaker 1: the morning of January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two. Despite
- 3:52Speaker 1: being a fellow Boston Police officer and a trained first responder,
- 3:57Speaker 1: Albert never left his home, which is one of the
- 3:59Speaker 1: things that we talked about when we did earlier episodes,
- 4:02Speaker 1: was how bizarre it is that he is a police officer.
- 4:05Speaker 1: He's inside this home, there's a body found dead on
- 4:09Speaker 1: his lawn. He's a first responder. It's a fellow police officer,
- 4:12Speaker 1: and he never leaves his home to find out what happened,
- 4:15Speaker 1: to ask to inquire, and police never went inside his I'm.
- 4:20Speaker 2: Sure when he pulls someone over for a moving violation,
- 4:22Speaker 2: he's very detail oriented, takes notes, yeah, checks all the paperwork,
- 4:27Speaker 2: completes the form for the ticket. But then with this
- 4:30Speaker 2: dead body on his lawn, and he's.
- 4:32Speaker 1: Like, he doesn't want it, he's not interested.
- 4:34Speaker 2: No, he's got to get his floor as repaired.
- 4:36Speaker 1: So during this interview, Brian Albert says, what am I
- 4:38Speaker 1: supposed to do? Run out front in my underwear and
- 4:41Speaker 1: start running yellow tape around the fire hydrant. Yes, I'm
- 4:45Speaker 1: not a Canton police officer. I'm a Boston police officer.
- 4:48Speaker 1: I was just woken up out of a cold sleep
- 4:51Speaker 1: from hanging out the night before. By the time I
- 4:53Speaker 1: came downstairs, the police were already in my house. John
- 4:57Speaker 1: was already gone, and there was nobody to save. First
- 5:00Speaker 1: of all, he says in the interview, the police were
- 5:02Speaker 1: already in my house.
- 5:03Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's police. No, but please live in that house.
- 5:07Speaker 2: He is the police, isn't he.
- 5:08Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's referring to the police that we're investigating,
- 5:10Speaker 1: and that's not true. I feel like this is just.
- 5:13Speaker 2: Well, if it is true, then it's what information did
- 5:15Speaker 2: they gather by being inside the house?
- 5:17Speaker 1: Well, I think it's confirmed that there were no No
- 5:19Speaker 1: one went in the house.
- 5:20Speaker 2: Is saying that because he's.
- 5:22Speaker 1: A liar, because I don't, because I think he's making
- 5:27Speaker 1: up what happened that day, because there's in my opinion,
- 5:30Speaker 1: allegedly there was something nefarious that went on in that house,
- 5:34Speaker 1: and that there's a cover up.
- 5:35Speaker 2: Everyone's opinion this right, So now that.
- 5:38Speaker 1: He's giving first of all, it probably wasn't a great
- 5:40Speaker 1: idea for them to give an interview.
- 5:41Speaker 2: They probably would you give an interview, I think.
- 5:44Speaker 1: Because people think they're going to change people's minds that
- 5:47Speaker 1: they're if they speak to it, and they and they
- 5:50Speaker 1: and they're convincing enough in their own head that they're
- 5:52Speaker 1: going to convince other people. I think all it did
- 5:55Speaker 1: was make them look more guilty. He says, I would
- 5:58Speaker 1: have taken a bullet for John O'Keeffe because he was
- 6:01Speaker 1: a fellow cop.
- 6:02Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not going to go out there. But
- 6:04Speaker 2: I'm not going to go out there my body and
- 6:06Speaker 2: see if he's alive or dead.
- 6:07Speaker 1: Or I'll take a bullet. But I'm not going to
- 6:10Speaker 1: go out there with manderwear and run yellow tail.
- 6:13Speaker 2: And I won't testify and I won't admit for any wrongdoing,
- 6:16Speaker 2: but I'll take a bullet.
- 6:17Speaker 1: And I would take a bullet Matt McCabe.
- 6:20Speaker 2: Because it's sorry. That's because it's easy to say that.
- 6:22Speaker 2: People say that all the time that they'll they'll do anything.
- 6:26Speaker 2: I mean, it's easy to say that or say I'll
- 6:28Speaker 2: lay down my life or I'll give my life. But
- 6:31Speaker 2: but when you're actually in the position, will he take
- 6:33Speaker 2: a bullet?
- 6:33Speaker 1: No, doubt it, No, absolutely not.
- 6:36Speaker 2: I wouldn't I take a bullet from my friends?
- 6:40Speaker 1: Yeah no, probably not. No, you probably would take a
- 6:43Speaker 1: bullet for me. Like what are you talking about?
- 6:45Speaker 2: Son, who's firing? And what you did.
- 6:50Speaker 1: Matt McCabe said the group stayed silent because they wanted
- 6:52Speaker 1: to let the court do its job. We took what
- 6:55Speaker 1: we thought was the high road, he said. Brian Albert
- 6:58Speaker 1: adds the criminal justice system has led us down at
- 7:00Speaker 1: every turn. Yesterday when Karen was acquitted, was the final letdown.
- 7:04Speaker 1: No one protects you, and it's very very sad. Think
- 7:07Speaker 1: long and hard before you're a witness in a case,
- 7:09Speaker 1: added his wife Nicole. She said she was just sad
- 7:12Speaker 1: for John's family. Yeah, and I mean we've talked about that.
- 7:15Speaker 1: We're all sad for John O'Keefe's family. The real travesty
- 7:19Speaker 1: is that there's no closure in this case, and they
- 7:22Speaker 1: still have the civil lawsuit going on. But yep, we'll
- 7:24Speaker 1: see what happens with that. The Oke family has not issued.
- 7:27Speaker 2: A public A civil lawsuit might reveal more information, right,
- 7:30Speaker 2: because some things might be more admissible in a civil case.
- 7:33Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to dive into that. I have heard
- 7:35Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is true, but it
- 7:37Speaker 1: has to do also with Karen's behavior that night in
- 7:41Speaker 1: the house when she couldn't find John because his daughter
- 7:45Speaker 1: was in the house and she was fourteen, and there's
- 7:47Speaker 1: something about her possibly being traumatized by the way Karen
- 7:49Speaker 1: acted or so I think I.
- 7:51Speaker 2: Think they'll be more to learn. Yeah, maybe still some
- 7:54Speaker 2: more questions to be answered, but there'll be more to
- 7:56Speaker 2: learn as a result of the civil case.
- 7:58Speaker 1: So the Okey family has not issued to public statements
- 8:00Speaker 1: since the verdict and did not speak to the press
- 8:03Speaker 1: outside the courthouse. They are still suing read for John
- 8:05Speaker 1: O'Keefe's death in a civil lawsuit. All right, let's move
- 8:09Speaker 1: on to Sherry Peppini. I'm so excited to do this
- 8:12Speaker 1: case because it is nuts and I love talking about
- 8:16Speaker 1: nutty women because I like there's I am always intrigued
- 8:23Speaker 1: by Shane's reaction.
- 8:25Speaker 2: I don't know much about this case.
- 8:27Speaker 1: I know you don't Cherry Peppini. First of all, there
- 8:31Speaker 1: was a documentary I'm going to tell you if you
- 8:33Speaker 1: guys drink, I would like sh First of all, let
- 8:41Speaker 1: me tell you the order you need to go about
- 8:42Speaker 1: watching this, because I feel like too many people who
- 8:47Speaker 1: are now interested in the Sherry Peppini case are only
- 8:50Speaker 1: watching the four part documentary that came out on Identity
- 8:54Speaker 1: What is It ID Identification Discovery, which is the the
- 8:58Speaker 1: most newly released interview that she did after serving time
- 9:02Speaker 1: in prison. If you only watch that, I feel like
- 9:06Speaker 1: you might be a little biased and a little jaded.
- 9:09Speaker 1: So I would suggest that if you're interested in a
- 9:11Speaker 1: full account of what happened, go and watch the Hulu
- 9:15Speaker 1: documentary It's called a Perfect Wife, that is about what
- 9:19Speaker 1: happened with this kidnapping and everything. It gives you a
- 9:21Speaker 1: very deep background into her life and her husband and
- 9:24Speaker 1: her kids and this whole kidnapping. Then watch the new
- 9:28Speaker 1: four part interview that she does recently, because I feel
- 9:31Speaker 1: like you have to put those two together to really
- 9:33Speaker 1: have a full concept of everything.
- 9:36Speaker 2: Perfect Wife, Well, I mean, I get why is it
- 9:40Speaker 2: called perfect Wife?
- 9:41Speaker 1: I think because that's the way she portrayed herself as
- 9:44Speaker 1: like this perfect wife and mom and really in reality,
- 9:46Speaker 1: she's insane. All right, Let's get into Sherry. Let's get
- 9:52Speaker 1: into Sherry pep Beanie.
- 9:54Speaker 2: So.
- 9:54Speaker 1: Sharry is a California mother of two who's twenty sixteen
- 9:58Speaker 1: disappearance and dramatic or sparked national attention, only to unravel
- 10:03Speaker 1: years later as one of the most notorious kidnapping hoaxes
- 10:07Speaker 1: in modern times. So this happened back in November two
- 10:10Speaker 1: of twoenty and sixteen. Peppini is believed to have been
- 10:14Speaker 1: kidnapped during an eleven AM jog. Her husband, Keith Peppini,
- 10:20Speaker 1: says he last received a text from Sherry at ten
- 10:22Speaker 1: thirty seven am asking if he planned to return home
- 10:24Speaker 1: for lunch, but he claims he didn't see the text
- 10:27Speaker 1: right away and responded back around one thirty pm. Keith
- 10:30Speaker 1: reports her missing that evening after he comes home to
- 10:33Speaker 1: find she isn't there and had not picked up the
- 10:34Speaker 1: kids from daycare. He does find my iPhone and that
- 10:38Speaker 1: led Keith to Sherry's phone and earbuds, which were found
- 10:41Speaker 1: on the ground with strands of hair appearing as though
- 10:43Speaker 1: there had been some type of struggle. Authorities and family
- 10:47Speaker 1: members launch an intensive search and public awareness campaign. Now
- 10:51Speaker 1: he starts doing a lot of interviews. Of course, what
- 10:53Speaker 1: does everyone say when a wife disappears? They clearly please.
- 10:57Speaker 2: Come home, please go.
- 11:00Speaker 1: And when I watched his interviews, it kind of it
- 11:03Speaker 1: reminded me of Scott Peterson when Lacey was missing and
- 11:07Speaker 1: he did all the interviews about you know, like Marie,
- 11:11Speaker 1: come back, please come back, bring my wife back. Although
- 11:14Speaker 1: Scott Peterson is dead in the face, at least Keith
- 11:16Speaker 1: Peppinie has I find him somewhat more believable. When I
- 11:20Speaker 1: was watching his interviews, I felt as if I didn't think, like, Okay,
- 11:24Speaker 1: he's the one.
- 11:24Speaker 2: What state is this in?
- 11:26Speaker 1: This is in northern California and reading. So Sherry Peppini
- 11:30Speaker 1: disappears from November third to November twenty third, She's gone
- 11:33Speaker 1: around twenty two days. Local, state, and federal law enforcement
- 11:36Speaker 1: are involved in the missing person's case. I do know
- 11:39Speaker 1: that Keith also requested that the FBI be involved. Someone
- 11:42Speaker 1: told him that he should do that, and there is
- 11:44Speaker 1: video of him during his interviews asking for the FBI
- 11:47Speaker 1: to be involved. Social media and go fund me campaigns
- 11:50Speaker 1: draw national attention. There was a GoFundMe that raised more
- 11:53Speaker 1: than forty two thousand towards search efforts, and the Peppini
- 11:56Speaker 1: family also offered a fifty thousand dollars reward for Sherry's
- 11:59Speaker 1: safe return. He also made. Keith also made many emotional
- 12:02Speaker 1: appearances on Good Morning America, ABC News, et cetera, describing
- 12:06Speaker 1: his wife as a supermom and pleading for her safe return.
- 12:11Speaker 2: That's that's sign of guilt right there.
- 12:12Speaker 1: What the supermom? Yeah, well, he's not guilty. November twenty
- 12:16Speaker 1: fourth is Thanksgiving Day. At four thirty am, Sherry is
- 12:19Speaker 1: found in the middle of country Road seventeen and I
- 12:22Speaker 1: five in Yolo County, Yolo. You only live once.
- 12:26Speaker 2: It's not the last one in apathetic order, though it's
- 12:29Speaker 2: not Yuma County, Yuma, it's a close one. It's a
- 12:32Speaker 2: close second.
- 12:33Speaker 1: It was near the Woodland area, about one hundred and
- 12:35Speaker 1: fifty miles south of where she first disappeared. She has
- 12:38Speaker 1: found bruised and emaciated, with bindings and a brand on
- 12:42Speaker 1: her shoulder that says Exodus. Her hair has also been cut.
- 12:47Speaker 1: Was Exodus, Well, it's a Bible.
- 12:50Speaker 2: Verse, I know, but like I don't know, Yeah, what
- 12:53Speaker 2: was the significance of that?
- 12:54Speaker 1: I don't know, not really anything, I don't think.
- 12:57Speaker 2: Was it like a certain font or was it a
- 13:00Speaker 2: certain like style that means some type of cult?
- 13:07Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 13:08Speaker 2: We would have to ask Sherry that did tattoo. I'd
- 13:10Speaker 2: be like, okay, whatever, But you said branded, it's different.
- 13:13Speaker 1: It's branded. It was burned onto her.
- 13:14Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's Sherry's story.
- 13:17Speaker 1: She claims that she was captured by two Hispanic women
- 13:21Speaker 1: and a dark suv while on her run. They took
- 13:25Speaker 1: her to an unknown location, which she claims to have
- 13:27Speaker 1: been drugged during the car ride, so she didn't know
- 13:29Speaker 1: where she was. She said she was physically restrained, with
- 13:33Speaker 1: her wrists and ankles chained and a bag over her
- 13:36Speaker 1: head for the majority of the time. She said she
- 13:38Speaker 1: was beaten repeatedly, often just for fun, by one of
- 13:41Speaker 1: the women, who she referred to as the mean one.
- 13:45Speaker 1: She claims she was starved, losing a significant amount of weight,
- 13:49Speaker 1: reportedly fifteen to twenty pounds within a twenty two day
- 13:52Speaker 1: period that she was gone. She said her two captors
- 13:55Speaker 1: branded her on the right shoulder with a heated tool,
- 13:58Speaker 1: though she didn't know what the word act that is meant,
- 14:01Speaker 1: Apparently it is a reference to the Bible. She was
- 14:04Speaker 1: forced to use a small bucket as a latrine, and
- 14:06Speaker 1: she reported that one of the women appeared more sympathetic
- 14:10Speaker 1: and that her release was likely negotiated by her I
- 14:13Speaker 1: watched her interview when she was telling the police, and
- 14:16Speaker 1: she calls the two Hispanic women that she claims abducted her.
- 14:19Speaker 1: She says there was a big one and there was
- 14:21Speaker 1: a small one, and she said the big one was
- 14:24Speaker 1: the mean one, and the small one was more sympathetic
- 14:27Speaker 1: towards her recorded police interviews was Sherry Peppini, and the
- 14:30Speaker 1: hours after her return showed she was reluctant to speak
- 14:33Speaker 1: with investigators, claiming that her abductors told her she was
- 14:37Speaker 1: going to be trafficked to someone in law enforcement. Sheery
- 14:41Speaker 1: avoided doing media interviews after she had escaped. She even
- 14:44Speaker 1: avoided large.
- 14:45Speaker 2: Crad Did she escape or negotiate her release?
- 14:49Speaker 1: Well, what happened was they she was found dropped on
- 14:53Speaker 1: the side of the room.
- 14:54Speaker 2: I vaguely remember this in the news.
- 14:55Speaker 1: Now I'm starting, and someone picks her up and he
- 14:58Speaker 1: calls nine one one, and you can hear his nine
- 15:00Speaker 1: one one recording, and he calls her first, he calls
- 15:04Speaker 1: her Sherry Panini and then she says Peppini. So a
- 15:08Speaker 1: bystander on the highway finds her and calls police, and
- 15:13Speaker 1: she's like, has a chain wrapped around her waist and she.
- 15:16Speaker 2: Has She's not very good negotiator.
- 15:18Speaker 1: She has u ties. What are those zip ties?
- 15:22Speaker 2: Cable ties?
- 15:22Speaker 1: Cable ties? Right, So she avoids doing me to interviews
- 15:25Speaker 1: after she's caught. There are several interviews that I watch
- 15:28Speaker 1: in the documentary where the police are recording her. They're
- 15:30Speaker 1: asking her questions about what happened, and I find her
- 15:33Speaker 1: so disingenuine and so unlikable. She talks about things that
- 15:40Speaker 1: don't make sense, Like she talks about how she texts
- 15:42Speaker 1: her husband to come home for lunch, but lunch really
- 15:45Speaker 1: means come home to have sex. I thought that was
- 15:47Speaker 1: just odd that these are things that she's telling investigators
- 15:51Speaker 1: when supposedly she's, you know, been kidnapped for twenty two
- 15:54Speaker 1: days and has been beaten, and she's just making jokes
- 15:57Speaker 1: about like sexual references with her husband. She says that
- 16:00Speaker 1: she needs to close her eyes when she talks. She
- 16:03Speaker 1: can't remember a lot of things anyway. I find her
- 16:08Speaker 1: difficult to believe. There was also a skinheads dot com
- 16:20Speaker 1: article amidst all of this, it was discovered that Sherry
- 16:23Speaker 1: had written a racist post against the Hispanic community on
- 16:26Speaker 1: a skinhead website under her maiden name Sherry Graf.
- 16:29Speaker 2: Prior to or after.
- 16:30Speaker 1: Prior to, the blog entry claims Peppini was persecuted by
- 16:34Speaker 1: Latinos at her high school for being of German descent
- 16:36Speaker 1: and that she was white and proud of her blood
- 16:38Speaker 1: and heritage. The post read, I totally agree with skinheads
- 16:41Speaker 1: that girls should not fight, they should stand by their men.
- 16:44Speaker 1: Being white is my family, my roots, my way of life.
- 16:46Speaker 1: It's always there. There's no denying it. It's nobility, its strength,
- 16:50Speaker 1: it will be there. To lift me up when I
- 16:51Speaker 1: really need my pride, when I need to keep walking.
- 16:54Speaker 1: When asked about this post, Sherry denies writing it and
- 16:57Speaker 1: claims someone impersonated her.
- 16:59Speaker 2: Why would someone in personate her and go on a
- 17:01Speaker 2: skinhead website? That's so random?
- 17:03Speaker 1: It is random, But this is what happens when someone
- 17:06Speaker 1: is the type of person who repeatedly lies about everything.
- 17:12Speaker 1: On October twenty fifth, twenty seventeen.
- 17:15Speaker 2: So you find these cases that are very that just
- 17:17Speaker 2: leave lots of questions.
- 17:19Speaker 1: I don't think there's lots of questions. I think that.
- 17:23Speaker 2: It's not going to be confusing. In this case, it
- 17:24Speaker 2: sounds like it's going to be very confusing because you
- 17:26Speaker 2: just said she's a liar. She's a liar, so well
- 17:29Speaker 2: is Shelsey.
- 17:30Speaker 1: So Sherry Peppini asks the FBI, can you do a
- 17:35Speaker 1: sketch of the two women who abducted me? So she
- 17:38Speaker 1: describes them, and they do a sketch and they release
- 17:41Speaker 1: it to the media, and it's two Hispanic women, a
- 17:44Speaker 1: bigger one and a smaller one, and they both have
- 17:47Speaker 1: masks on because she claims that they covered their face
- 17:50Speaker 1: for the majority of the time.
- 17:51Speaker 2: She's just like so she asked for criminal sketch artists. Yes,
- 17:55Speaker 2: and then she's like, oh, they wore masks, Yes, I
- 17:58Speaker 2: could have drawn that.
- 17:59Speaker 1: So basically they do the sketches of these two Hispanic women.
- 18:02Speaker 1: They were basically just their eyes, their eyes and eyebrows.
- 18:05Speaker 1: They release it. The media releases it like this is
- 18:08Speaker 1: there's new developments in the Sherry Peppina case. The sketch
- 18:12Speaker 1: artist has, you know, made these sketches based upon, you know,
- 18:15Speaker 1: her detailed account of these two women that abducted her.
- 18:20Speaker 1: The day that the sketch artist releases the sketches to
- 18:24Speaker 1: the media is the same day that the FBI gets
- 18:30Speaker 1: back DNA testing from her clothing from when she was abducted,
- 18:34Speaker 1: and there's male DNA found in her underwear.
- 18:37Speaker 2: And is it has it been excluded that it's not
- 18:40Speaker 2: her husband's or boyfriends or whoever it is.
- 18:42Speaker 1: No, it's not it's not her that out Yeah, okay.
- 18:46Speaker 1: So in the years following Sherry's return, local investigators as
- 18:49Speaker 1: well as the FBI are very skeptical of her claims,
- 18:52Speaker 1: so they continue their search and investigation and to her
- 18:54Speaker 1: because if.
- 18:55Speaker 2: She got beaten, there'd be some female DNA, you'd assume.
- 18:58Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't find any female DNA. They only
- 19:01Speaker 1: find male DNA, not her husband, multiple males or no
- 19:06Speaker 1: one male?
- 19:07Speaker 2: Okay.
- 19:08Speaker 1: The DNA evidence did not match her story. Investigators found
- 19:11Speaker 1: male DNA on her clothing and belongings, despite her claim
- 19:14Speaker 1: that she was abducted by two women. The DNA did
- 19:17Speaker 1: not match her husband or any suspect until it was
- 19:19Speaker 1: later matched to her ex boyfriend James Rays.
- 19:23Speaker 2: Wait, how did they make that connection?
- 19:25Speaker 1: Though they did, I don't know. They ran it through
- 19:27Speaker 1: COTIS or whatever.
- 19:28Speaker 2: It took a while in the system.
- 19:30Speaker 1: Well no or no, Maybe it wasn't codis. I don't know,
- 19:32Speaker 1: it says Familia familial dale.
- 19:35Speaker 2: Maybe the voluntarily.
- 19:38Speaker 1: DNA. Well he, I'm sure he gave up his DNA, so.
- 19:42Speaker 2: Okay.
- 19:43Speaker 1: The lack of forensic evidence supporting the abduction. There were
- 19:46Speaker 1: no tire tracks, fingerprints of surveillance footage, or physical signs
- 19:49Speaker 1: of an abduction were found where she allegedly disappeared. And also,
- 19:54Speaker 1: I know the FBI investigator also made the claim that
- 19:57Speaker 1: they were very suspicious of her from the very beginning
- 19:59Speaker 1: because when they found the cell phone and the headphones
- 20:04Speaker 1: apparently like her ear plugs or whatever, they were were
- 20:07Speaker 1: wrapped up neatly and like laying on top of the
- 20:09Speaker 1: cell phone, and the cell phone was lying on the ground.
- 20:11Speaker 1: And then there were some blonde hairs that were kind
- 20:13Speaker 1: of stuck into the earbuds.
- 20:16Speaker 2: Like someone pulls up to kidnapp her, and she's like,
- 20:18Speaker 2: hold on one second, she rolls up her earbuds. Yes,
- 20:21Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying.
- 20:23Speaker 1: Yes, So he finds her phone. He actually before he
- 20:25Speaker 1: picked up her phone, he took a picture of it.
- 20:28Speaker 2: That's even weirder.
- 20:29Speaker 1: Why is that weirder?
- 20:30Speaker 2: Took a picture of your phone when I found it?
- 20:32Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess because it was evidence and
- 20:33Speaker 1: he didn't want to pick it up unless he took
- 20:35Speaker 1: a photo of how it was sitting there.
- 20:37Speaker 2: So he takes photos and he might be in it.
- 20:40Speaker 2: We'll find out he's gone.
- 20:41Speaker 1: He's not in it. Unusual branding. The forensic experts suggests
- 20:46Speaker 1: that exodus branding looked deliberate and controlled, not consistent with
- 20:50Speaker 1: the panicked act of violence. I guess, you know, I
- 20:54Speaker 1: understand that too. If they're trying to brand her and
- 20:57Speaker 1: she's like captive and all these things, wouldn't you be
- 21:02Speaker 1: moving around? I think it just was very neatly done.
- 21:05Speaker 2: It looked like she just I don't know, being wrapped up.
- 21:09Speaker 1: Yes, so they found on her penterress page that the
- 21:14Speaker 1: same wooden tools that were used to brand her back
- 21:18Speaker 1: were part of her pinteress page.
- 21:21Speaker 2: Did they check her Amazon account and she purchased like
- 21:23Speaker 2: a brand?
- 21:24Speaker 1: She didn't purchase them. James ray As purchased them. Oh
- 21:27Speaker 1: really yes, and he had the receipt for it.
- 21:33Speaker 2: Wait, so why are we bothered at? Okay, so she
- 21:35Speaker 2: wanted to go away and get branded by her ex
- 21:37Speaker 2: boyfriend or whatever. What's the what's the issue?
- 21:40Speaker 1: Because she said to she said to Hispanic women abducted her.
- 21:44Speaker 1: The theory is or what what it comes down to
- 21:47Speaker 1: is that ray As is her ex boyfriend and she
- 21:50Speaker 1: was having and she calls an emotional affair with him.
- 21:53Speaker 1: They got burner phones and they were communicating. Then he
- 21:56Speaker 1: comes from he lives in Coasta, Mesa. He drives from
- 21:59Speaker 1: Coasta Mesa to reading anything emotion. She's trying to say
- 22:03Speaker 1: she didn't have sex with them.
- 22:04Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so was it emotional DNA they found on
- 22:07Speaker 2: her underwear?
- 22:08Speaker 1: Yes, it was an emotional DNA on her underwear.
- 22:11Speaker 2: Very well, keep gone.
- 22:13Speaker 1: So they finally figure out because they don't believe her story.
- 22:16Speaker 1: The two masks, the getting picked up on Thanksgiving?
- 22:21Speaker 2: Where city they find her in the same city.
- 22:24Speaker 1: No, they found her one hundred and fifty miles away.
- 22:26Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, wasn't it down here in Coasta Mesa
- 22:28Speaker 2: or something.
- 22:28Speaker 1: No, she was James Ray's lived in Coasta Mesa and
- 22:31Speaker 1: that's where she spent the twenty two days in Coasta Mesa.
- 22:35Speaker 1: Then he drove her, I don't know, one hundred like
- 22:37Speaker 1: towards Redding and then dropped her off on the side.
- 22:41Speaker 2: Of the enough emotions for the weekend.
- 22:43Speaker 1: When they on and zip ties she gets out of
- 22:48Speaker 1: the car. I think there's actually surveillance of her running
- 22:51Speaker 1: without the zip ties. And then when they and then
- 22:54Speaker 1: when the police come then find her, she's zip tied,
- 22:57Speaker 1: cable ties whatever they're called. And so basically what happens
- 23:02Speaker 1: was what they didn't believe her story from the beginning.
- 23:04Speaker 1: So they're investigating her the whole time, even though they're
- 23:06Speaker 1: not telling her they're investigating her. They just keep interviewing
- 23:09Speaker 1: her and interviewing the husband.
- 23:11Speaker 2: And so she just divulges all this information while the.
- 23:15Speaker 1: Whole time the FBI is like, this is a bunch
- 23:17Speaker 1: of crap and they're investigating her without telling her. So
- 23:20Speaker 1: they find the DNA, they link it to James Ray
- 23:23Speaker 1: As the police go to Costa Mesa and they interview
- 23:26Speaker 1: him and you can see they don't show him on camera.
- 23:29Speaker 1: He clearly did not agree to show his imass or something. Yeah,
- 23:35Speaker 1: they show body cams and they show audio, I mean
- 23:38Speaker 1: not show, but you can hear audio, but they don't
- 23:40Speaker 1: show his face on camera.
- 23:41Speaker 2: Because he's just a witness at this point.
- 23:43Speaker 1: Well, and what he says is that she asked him
- 23:47Speaker 1: to come and pick her up because her husband's abusive
- 23:51Speaker 1: and she wants to get out of the marriage. So
- 23:53Speaker 1: in his eyes or the way he explains it is
- 23:55Speaker 1: he's just helping this girl out. So he comes and
- 23:59Speaker 1: he picks her Upie takes her to Coast to Mesa.
- 24:02Speaker 1: Then she stays for twenty two days in his house.
- 24:05Speaker 2: He probably can't stand her.
- 24:06Speaker 1: I don't know, but he claims that all the physical things,
- 24:11Speaker 1: all the harm, the bruises, everything, it was self inflicted,
- 24:16Speaker 1: that she did it to herself, or that she directed
- 24:19Speaker 1: him to do it. I guess he was a hockey
- 24:20Speaker 1: player and she told him to hit her with a
- 24:23Speaker 1: hockey puck and he broke her.
- 24:25Speaker 2: Notes like she liked it or like to set up her.
- 24:29Speaker 1: To set up her story. I guess that's how that's
- 24:32Speaker 1: how much.
- 24:33Speaker 2: Then he's a psycho too, because it's like, oh, let
- 24:35Speaker 2: me go help this woman. What do you need? Do
- 24:36Speaker 2: you need me to smack you in the face with
- 24:38Speaker 2: that hockey puck?
- 24:39Speaker 1: I agree. I don't understand for one second why this
- 24:41Speaker 1: James Rays guy goes along with this, Probably because.
- 24:45Speaker 2: He initially tried to save her and help her, and
- 24:50Speaker 2: then you know, get emotional with her, and then they
- 24:52Speaker 2: come down to coast to Mesa, and then he realized
- 24:54Speaker 2: she's psycho. And then she says, well, let me let
- 24:57Speaker 2: me like complete the story and you have I have
- 24:59Speaker 2: been a so hit me in the face. And he's
- 25:01Speaker 2: like gladly because she's psycho. And then he tied her
- 25:04Speaker 2: up and dumped her off and he wants nothing to
- 25:07Speaker 2: do with her anymore.
- 25:08Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would say that, I would say
- 25:11Speaker 1: that's pretty much in a nutshell.
- 25:13Speaker 2: Yeah, And if she was nice and pleasant, I don't
- 25:16Speaker 2: think he would hit her in the face with the
- 25:17Speaker 2: hockey puck.
- 25:18Speaker 1: One he goes along with this story two. When they
- 25:22Speaker 1: interview him, he does not seem to be highly intelligent
- 25:24Speaker 1: at all. He seems very like.
- 25:27Speaker 2: Wasn't there receipts for a hotel too? Did they stay
- 25:29Speaker 2: in a hotel or his place?
- 25:31Speaker 1: No, they stayed at his home. There was a receipt
- 25:34Speaker 1: for him buying the wood burning tools he had that.
- 25:37Speaker 1: He's like, look, here's a receipt told me to buy it.
- 25:40Speaker 1: And I think that they don't. The FBI doesn't give
- 25:43Speaker 1: you a lot of information in these interviews that they do.
- 25:45Speaker 1: They're very careful about their tools and tactics and behind
- 25:50Speaker 1: the scenes.
- 25:50Speaker 2: Well, that way, then she could say something that might
- 25:52Speaker 2: conflict with what they found, and then that would be
- 25:54Speaker 2: more suspicious.
- 25:55Speaker 1: Right. But I'm just saying, even when they talk about
- 25:56Speaker 1: it after the fact, even giving interviews after the fact,
- 26:00Speaker 1: they don't give away a lot of information about how
- 26:04Speaker 1: they knew James was manipulated by her. I know he passed,
- 26:09Speaker 1: you know, a lie detector test, but we'll talk later
- 26:12Speaker 1: about her because she takes one later. But I just
- 26:16Speaker 1: I don't I feel like he's almost so simple, like
- 26:21Speaker 1: he's not highly intelligent, that he just went along with
- 26:24Speaker 1: this crazy scheme, because who in their right mind, has
- 26:28Speaker 1: someone stayed with them for twenty two days when they
- 26:30Speaker 1: have a wife, when they have a husband and young children,
- 26:33Speaker 1: and then goes along with physically abusing them, and then
- 26:35Speaker 1: goes along with dumping them on the side of the road,
- 26:38Speaker 1: and doesn't think that that looks bad for them.
- 26:41Speaker 2: It really makes my life feel very boring. Yeah, you're like, yeah,
- 26:45Speaker 2: like you know, and he's probably less stressed than I
- 26:48Speaker 2: am in.
- 26:49Speaker 1: His life, probably so. After they found James's DNA, this
- 26:52Speaker 1: was in August of twenty twenty, the FBI contacted and
- 26:55Speaker 1: questioned James Reyes at his home in Coasta, Mesa, And
- 26:58Speaker 1: let's just talk about what he told the investigators. He
- 27:01Speaker 1: says that Peppini had reached out to him. He confirmed
- 27:04Speaker 1: that he and Peppini had previously dated in the early
- 27:09Speaker 1: two thousands. They were in constant communication via burner phones.
- 27:13Speaker 1: Months before her disappearance, she'd tell him she needed to
- 27:17Speaker 1: escape her abusive marriage and start over. He agreed to
- 27:19Speaker 1: help her and picked her up in Reading, driving her
- 27:21Speaker 1: six hundred miles south to his apartment in Costa Mesa.
- 27:24Speaker 1: He claims she was never kidnapped. Rey said that Peppini
- 27:27Speaker 1: stayed willingly in his apartment for the entire twenty two
- 27:30Speaker 1: days that she was missing. He described her as staying
- 27:32Speaker 1: mostly inside doing household chores, watching TV, and exercising. He
- 27:37Speaker 1: claims she even watched the news coverage of her own disappearance.
- 27:41Speaker 1: Injuries were self inflicted or assisted by him. Reyes admitted
- 27:46Speaker 1: to helping her create some of the injuries, including holding
- 27:49Speaker 1: a hockey stick so she could run into it and
- 27:51Speaker 1: purposefully causing bruising. Branding her shoulder using a wood burning
- 27:55Speaker 1: tool was at her request, she says later in an interview,
- 27:59Speaker 1: to kind of to I don't know, get past the
- 28:04Speaker 1: wood burning thing, because you know, I told you this.
- 28:06Speaker 1: Wood burning tools were on her own pinterant page. The
- 28:09Speaker 1: way she explains it after the fact is she says, oh, well,
- 28:13Speaker 1: when he kidnapped me, we were having a conversation and
- 28:15Speaker 1: I was telling him about how I was making these
- 28:19Speaker 1: handcrafted Christmas cards with wood burning tools, and he was
- 28:23Speaker 1: so interested in it that he went out and bought
- 28:25Speaker 1: someone branded my you know, my shoulder. I mean, do
- 28:28Speaker 1: you really think she's in Costa Mesa with James Ray's
- 28:31Speaker 1: talking about how she makes Christmas cards for her kids.
- 28:33Speaker 2: No, she's watching the coverage of her own.
- 28:35Speaker 1: Right. Security cameras show Peppini running through an empty parking
- 28:39Speaker 1: lot towards the highway on Thanksgiving morning. In the footage,
- 28:42Speaker 1: her hands are not tied together. She is running normally. However,
- 28:45Speaker 1: when a driver found her on the side of the road,
- 28:47Speaker 1: they were zip tied and she was wearing a chain
- 28:49Speaker 1: around her waist. She's like, don't forget to bring the
- 28:52Speaker 1: zip ties and chain. I'll just put him in a
- 28:54Speaker 1: I'll just I'll hang on to him and then right
- 28:56Speaker 1: before the police come, I'll just put them on myself.
- 29:02Speaker 1: I've always said ziptized. Are they not ziptized?
- 29:04Speaker 2: Sable?
- 29:05Speaker 1: Okay, reyas cooperated fully with the FBI. He consented to
- 29:08Speaker 1: DNA collection, provided text messages, and allowed investigators to search
- 29:12Speaker 1: his apartment. He passed the polygraph test, and authorities confirmed
- 29:15Speaker 1: no chargers were filed against him as he had no
- 29:18Speaker 1: criminal intent and was considered a cooperating witness. All right,
- 29:23Speaker 1: so his account directly contradicted everything Peppini had told law
- 29:26Speaker 1: enforcement and investigators now had a motive, a means, and
- 29:31Speaker 1: the evidence, which was the DNA, the phone records, and
- 29:33Speaker 1: the injury creation and that she'd faked her own abduction.
- 29:37Speaker 1: The DOJ said Rey's cooperation was truthful, consistent, and corroborated
- 29:42Speaker 1: by physical evidence. So the FBI is slowly building their case.
- 29:46Speaker 1: From twenty twenty to twenty twenty two, investigators kept the
- 29:49Speaker 1: case quiet for nearly two years. We talked about that.
- 29:52Speaker 1: How they continue to talk to Pappinie, have interviews with her,
- 29:55Speaker 1: but obviously they don't give away any information that they're
- 29:58Speaker 1: investigating this as they kidnapping hoax.
- 30:01Speaker 2: No let her say anything she wants.
- 30:05Speaker 1: Right, They confirm and consistency in her interviews. They track
- 30:08Speaker 1: how she spent one hundred thousand plus dollars of victim funds,
- 30:12Speaker 1: disability payments, and go fundme donations.
- 30:14Speaker 2: Some of those gounfund me things are people are way
- 30:16Speaker 2: too quick to just set them up and give people money,
- 30:19Speaker 2: and it's like there's probably a lot of scammers on there.
- 30:22Speaker 1: Well, she got disability because so she's taking disability. She
- 30:26Speaker 1: also received money from like a California victims fund. And
- 30:31Speaker 1: then also clearly the state or the city or whoever
- 30:35Speaker 1: pays for it, taxpayers pay for her for the search efforts.
- 30:39Speaker 1: So they build a case against her for mail fraud
- 30:42Speaker 1: which are the benefits that she received, and false statement,
- 30:45Speaker 1: which is lying to federal agents. On March third of
- 30:48Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Sherry Peppini is arrested while tending her
- 30:51Speaker 1: children's music lessons. The charges against her are mail fraud
- 30:55Speaker 1: and making false statements to federal officers. The FBI released
- 30:58Speaker 1: a forty four page data outlining all her planning with
- 31:02Speaker 1: ray As, her false statements about the two Hispanic women,
- 31:05Speaker 1: and her misuse of victim compensation funds. On April eighteenth
- 31:10Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, Sherry Peppini pleaded guilty to one
- 31:13Speaker 1: count of mail fraud and one count of making false statements.
- 31:16Speaker 1: Now I know they do an interview with her attorney
- 31:19Speaker 1: and she makes it like and when she talks about
- 31:21Speaker 1: the allegations against her, and when they arrest her, she
- 31:25Speaker 1: does this very woe is me. I don't even understand
- 31:28Speaker 1: what's going on. I don't even understand why I'm in jail.
- 31:31Speaker 1: I don't understand anything against me. And she talks about
- 31:35Speaker 1: how like someone else and jail with her had to
- 31:38Speaker 1: explain the charges to her because she didn't even understand
- 31:41Speaker 1: what was going on. I just felt like when she talks,
- 31:44Speaker 1: she does a very good job of doing this like
- 31:46Speaker 1: victim role. She's very good at that. Here's just something
- 31:58Speaker 1: else I want to talk about, because if you watch
- 32:00Speaker 1: a Perfect Wife or maybe even in the in her
- 32:03Speaker 1: recent interview, after she was married to Keith, I'm not
- 32:08Speaker 1: sure how long after, but she got caught texting other
- 32:12Speaker 1: men and she has a little history, well, she has
- 32:15Speaker 1: a history of what she calls always having these emotional affairs.
- 32:18Speaker 1: And I like how she calls them emotional affairs so
- 32:20Speaker 1: that she's never actually admitting that she has sex with
- 32:22Speaker 1: any of these other men. It's basically like Keith was
- 32:25Speaker 1: so terrible to her, and he was so awful, and
- 32:27Speaker 1: he wouldn't even talk to her, and he was controlling
- 32:30Speaker 1: and abusive and all these things that she claims that
- 32:32Speaker 1: she always had to have these emotional affairs with other men,
- 32:35Speaker 1: and she would save you know, these other guy's numbers
- 32:38Speaker 1: with like a female name, so she probably had like
- 32:40Speaker 1: Jane and you know, Laurie and all these people that
- 32:43Speaker 1: she was texting with, but they were men. Anyway, Keith
- 32:46Speaker 1: finds out that she's been having these you know, emotional
- 32:49Speaker 1: affairs as she calls them, with other men, and he
- 32:51Speaker 1: makes her sign a post nuptial agreement after they've been
- 32:55Speaker 1: married for a while.
- 32:56Speaker 2: This is prior pre kidnapping.
- 32:58Speaker 1: This is pre kidnapping. So I didn't read. I tried
- 33:02Speaker 1: to find the post nuptial agreement. They actually show it
- 33:05Speaker 1: a little bit on the four part series where she
- 33:07Speaker 1: does an interview.
- 33:08Speaker 2: But do you have money or something?
- 33:10Speaker 1: I don't think they have a lot of money. They
- 33:12Speaker 1: seem just very middle class to me. He's like an
- 33:14Speaker 1: audio visual specialist for Best Buy and she's a stay
- 33:17Speaker 1: at home mom. So basically, after he finds out that
- 33:20Speaker 1: she's having, you know, these emotional affairs and she's texting
- 33:23Speaker 1: other men, he makes her sign a post nuptial agreement.
- 33:25Speaker 2: Why does he just make her agree not to have
- 33:27Speaker 2: these emotional affairs like.
- 33:29Speaker 1: A post non emotional affair agreement, So she signs this
- 33:34Speaker 1: post nuptial agreement. It's completely one sided. It's basically says
- 33:39Speaker 1: if she's caught, well.
- 33:40Speaker 2: It's probably not even valid. I bet he just drafted
- 33:42Speaker 2: himself and said, here's sign this right, which you can't do.
- 33:45Speaker 2: Both sides need to have an attorney. Even if she
- 33:47Speaker 2: says I don't want an attorney, she kind of has
- 33:50Speaker 2: to have an attorney to make it valid.
- 33:52Speaker 1: Well, I actually read in a pre nuptial agreement both
- 33:55Speaker 1: people have to have representation, but for some reason, in
- 33:58Speaker 1: a post nuptial it doesn't say that you have to
- 33:59Speaker 1: have representation. It says that it can't be one sided
- 34:03Speaker 1: and it can't be unconscionable, but it recommends that you.
- 34:08Speaker 2: Yeah, so he should have made sure she had an
- 34:13Speaker 2: attorney so she can't later say what, I didn't know
- 34:16Speaker 2: what was going on.
- 34:16Speaker 1: Well, the thing that is interesting to me is that
- 34:18Speaker 1: they make a big deal about this post nuptial agreement,
- 34:21Speaker 1: about how one sided it was, and in my mind,
- 34:24Speaker 1: I'm thinking it wouldn't even be enforceable. Everybody's making it
- 34:28Speaker 1: like he forced her to sign it.
- 34:31Speaker 2: Whole scheme of things anyway.
- 34:33Speaker 1: Well, to me, I think the post nuptial agreement is
- 34:36Speaker 1: very important because I feel as if she wanted to
- 34:40Speaker 1: have an affair with James ray As, but the only
- 34:42Speaker 1: way she could have an affair is to make it
- 34:45Speaker 1: look like a kidnapping hoax so that the post nuptial
- 34:49Speaker 1: agreement wouldn't come into effect because basically he made her
- 34:52Speaker 1: sign a very one did.
- 34:54Speaker 2: The post agreement steps then they do.
- 34:56Speaker 1: With an affair, Yes, he made her sign it.
- 34:58Speaker 2: Basically, you can't do that stuff anyway. Sorry, you can't
- 35:00Speaker 2: do that stuff anyway. You can't be like, if you
- 35:02Speaker 2: cheat on me, you don't get this money.
- 35:05Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying this nuptial agreement that he made
- 35:08Speaker 1: her sign was basically, if you cheat on me, if
- 35:11Speaker 1: you talk to other men, if you have affairs, you
- 35:13Speaker 1: get nothing, you get no money, you.
- 35:16Speaker 2: Leave, or if you stage a kidnapping.
- 35:19Speaker 1: Yeah, he forgot to add that part to.
- 35:20Speaker 2: The emotional affairs. If there's any male DNA found on you.
- 35:24Speaker 1: In your underwear, yes, so to me, I feel as
- 35:28Speaker 1: if the post nuptial agreement is very interesting because I
- 35:36Speaker 1: feel as if she created this whole kidnapping hoax in
- 35:40Speaker 1: order to have an affair with her ex boyfriend, and
- 35:42Speaker 1: if she did get caught, then she just blames it
- 35:45Speaker 1: on a kidnapping hoax so that she's not actually having
- 35:49Speaker 1: an affair with her ex boyfriend, so that the post
- 35:51Speaker 1: nuptial agreement doesn't come into effect and he gets to
- 35:53Speaker 1: take the kids and all the money and everything, even though,
- 35:56Speaker 1: let's be honest, this post nuptial agreement wouldn't be valid anyway, passable.
- 36:00Speaker 2: It's one sided her it's valid.
- 36:02Speaker 1: Right, but she clearly thinks it's valid.
- 36:04Speaker 2: But you're just guessing all this.
- 36:06Speaker 1: I'm just putting.
- 36:07Speaker 2: I'm just putting your theory.
- 36:10Speaker 1: My theory is that she she.
- 36:13Speaker 2: Signed the agreement and then she tried to abide.
- 36:16Speaker 1: By it, and then she tried to abide by it
- 36:18Speaker 1: by thinking, I want to have an affair with my
- 36:20Speaker 1: ex emotion my boyfriend, an emotional affair, and I'm going
- 36:25Speaker 1: to do it. However, I can't get caught having an affair,
- 36:28Speaker 1: so I have to make it look like a kidnapping.
- 36:31Speaker 1: So there you go. That's just my my thoughts on.
- 36:36Speaker 2: That her commitment to having affairs is right.
- 36:39Speaker 1: Yes, it is right.
- 36:41Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 36:42Speaker 1: I remember when they do the four part interview where
- 36:45Speaker 1: she speaks up and she now claims that it was
- 36:48Speaker 1: a kidnapping. So that's where we're at now, current like
- 36:51Speaker 1: present day.
- 36:51Speaker 2: Well, so she still admits it's that or she still
- 36:53Speaker 2: sticks to the story that's a kidnapping.
- 36:55Speaker 1: No, So she was arrested and for the kidnapping, she
- 37:01Speaker 1: signs a plea agreement with very specific language basically saying
- 37:05Speaker 1: that she planned a hoax, that it was a fake kidnapping.
- 37:09Speaker 1: She signs it, and then she's sentenced to I believe,
- 37:12Speaker 1: two years in prison. She's released from prison. Now that
- 37:16Speaker 1: she's released from prison, here we are in present day
- 37:19Speaker 1: and now she's doing interviews and she's saying, you know what,
- 37:23Speaker 1: it wasn't a kidnapping hoax. I was abducted. So that's
- 37:27Speaker 1: where we're at today. She's now recanting, well, what's the matter.
- 37:31Speaker 1: You already served your time, lady. I don't know, but
- 37:36Speaker 1: she claims she's married to this guy.
- 37:37Speaker 2: Still.
- 37:38Speaker 1: No, he filed for divorce after she was the I
- 37:43Speaker 1: don't know. They don't they They do an interview with
- 37:46Speaker 1: her family law attorney, which is entertaining. She's very entertaining.
- 37:52Speaker 2: Does she have access to those kids? I wouldn't want
- 37:54Speaker 2: her to have accesses?
- 37:55Speaker 1: No, currently she does.
- 37:56Speaker 2: Without supervised visitation.
- 37:57Speaker 1: So she's fighting for that's a saying because that's where
- 38:00Speaker 1: we're at currently is she's now recanting the kidnapping hoax
- 38:04Speaker 1: and saying that she was abducted by James. She's claiming
- 38:08Speaker 1: that she lied about it because I guess because she
- 38:11Speaker 1: was scared of him, or she didn't want her husband
- 38:12Speaker 1: to know she was having an affair so she made
- 38:14Speaker 1: up the two Hispanic women. She doesn't want her husband
- 38:18Speaker 1: or anyone to know that she was with James, so
- 38:21Speaker 1: she claims she was abducted by two Hispanic women. Then
- 38:24Speaker 1: when they found when the FBI says we know it
- 38:26Speaker 1: was James because his DNA is in your underwear and
- 38:29Speaker 1: we've interviewed him, then she says, oh, well, I said
- 38:32Speaker 1: it was James's mom, and I described James's mom, so
- 38:35Speaker 1: it would lead you to James without me actually saying
- 38:37Speaker 1: it was James. And now that she's out of prison,
- 38:40Speaker 1: she's saying it wasn't a kidnapping hoax, it really was James.
- 38:44Speaker 1: But then I found the FBI investigator said, which I
- 38:47Speaker 1: found funny. He goes, he said, well, James Ray's his
- 38:50Speaker 1: mom was Irish or something like that, Like she wasn't
- 38:53Speaker 1: Hispanic anyway. Yeah, she wasn't Hispanic anyway. And she wasn't
- 38:58Speaker 1: and she wasn't Hispanic.
- 39:00Speaker 2: Why are they even entertaining whatever she has is saying anyway?
- 39:03Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you know that's maybe.
- 39:05Speaker 2: The public because she's speaking about it and it's interesting,
- 39:08Speaker 2: but like, why is law enforcement bothering with her? They
- 39:11Speaker 2: shouldn't be, Well, they're not.
- 39:12Speaker 1: Now she's been released from prison and they're not. But
- 39:18Speaker 1: here's the thing. Now she's doing all these interviews. So
- 39:20Speaker 1: now she did this interview with Investigation Discovery. They made
- 39:23Speaker 1: a four part series about her. She went on Nick Vile,
- 39:27Speaker 1: the Vile Files, and she's doubling down on them. Believe
- 39:30Speaker 1: her story that it was a real abduction.
- 39:35Speaker 2: So let's we get her on here and we call
- 39:37Speaker 2: her out.
- 39:38Speaker 1: You want to get Sherry Pepina. Can we make that happen.
- 39:40Speaker 1: Let's make Scherry call her out. I would love for
- 39:42Speaker 1: you to do an interview with Shane Simpson.
- 39:44Speaker 2: Oh so many holes in her story. It's ridiculous.
- 39:48Speaker 1: So Sherry pleaded guilty to one count of mail fraud,
- 39:51Speaker 1: one count of making false statements, and she was sentenced
- 39:53Speaker 1: to eighteen okay, it was eighteen months in prison and
- 39:56Speaker 1: agreed to pay three hundred and nine thousand, six hundred
- 39:59Speaker 1: and eighty six dollars and thirty three cents in a restitution.
- 40:02Speaker 1: This was the breakdown. She took thirty thousand, six hundred
- 40:05Speaker 1: ninety four dollars from the California Victim Compensation Board. She
- 40:09Speaker 1: took one hundred and twenty seven thousand, seven hundred and
- 40:12Speaker 1: eighty three dollars from the Social Security Administration for benefits,
- 40:16Speaker 1: one hundred and forty eight thousand to the Shasta County
- 40:18Speaker 1: Sheriff's office for the cost of investigating the case, and
- 40:21Speaker 1: twenty five hundred and fifty eight dollars to the FBI
- 40:24Speaker 1: for the government sentencing or to the FBI for their
- 40:28Speaker 1: role in it doesn't seem like a lot. Twenty five
- 40:30Speaker 1: hundred dollars to the FBI, I don't know, but anyway,
- 40:33Speaker 1: that's where they got the breakdown of what her restitution was,
- 40:36Speaker 1: which was a total.
- 40:38Speaker 2: Sharyot money like that without I mean, she was able
- 40:40Speaker 2: to bamboozle them and get all that money. Well, she got.
- 40:44Speaker 1: Money from the California Victim Compensation, then she got money
- 40:47Speaker 1: from the Social Security Administration offices for benefits because she
- 40:50Speaker 1: said she.
- 40:51Speaker 2: Was disabled, just to hand out six figures like that.
- 40:54Speaker 1: So Sherry Peppini is released from prison after serving about
- 40:56Speaker 1: eleven months in a federal facility. She was released to
- 40:59Speaker 1: a residential re entry center then placed on supervised probation.
- 41:11Speaker 1: So what has she been doing from twenty twenty three
- 41:14Speaker 1: to currently? She lost custody of her two children and
- 41:17Speaker 1: who now live with her ex husband Keith. She began
- 41:20Speaker 1: telling a revised version of the story, claiming Reya psychologically
- 41:23Speaker 1: manipulated her and that she was trapped in twenty twenty
- 41:27Speaker 1: four to twenty twenty five. Her new claims were featured
- 41:29Speaker 1: in Perfect Wife, which I told you guys to watch,
- 41:33Speaker 1: and Caught in the Lie which is the new one
- 41:35Speaker 1: on HBO, which is her most recent interview. And then
- 41:38Speaker 1: I guess she has a self published memoir Sherry Peppini
- 41:42Speaker 1: doesn't exist. And then she did the Vile Files podcast,
- 41:45Speaker 1: so that's where she's out speaking now. Also, this was
- 41:52Speaker 1: another thing that was in this new documentary is she
- 41:55Speaker 1: takes a polygraph and I thought for sure that she
- 41:59Speaker 1: was going to fail this polygraph.
- 42:01Speaker 2: Because clearly asked her.
- 42:03Speaker 1: So Sharry and James both took polygraphs and both passed,
- 42:07Speaker 1: despite their stories contradicting one another.
- 42:10Speaker 2: Enough for me, what did they ask or know?
- 42:14Speaker 1: I do? I do know the questions that she passed.
- 42:16Speaker 1: I'll tell you first of all, she failed some of
- 42:18Speaker 1: the questions, and she passed some of the questions. The
- 42:21Speaker 1: ones that she passed, though, were the ones that were
- 42:23Speaker 1: the most important because they go to the heart of
- 42:26Speaker 1: this story that she's now telling. So among the questions
- 42:29Speaker 1: she was asked while at james house in twenty sixteen,
- 42:33Speaker 1: were you free to leave at any time without fear
- 42:36Speaker 1: of violence? And did you ask James to brand you?
- 42:40Speaker 1: She answered no to both of those questions and she
- 42:43Speaker 1: passed them. Also, I don't know, maybe that's a too
- 42:48Speaker 1: too much compound in sent Yeah, that's.
- 42:50Speaker 2: What I'm saying. It matters what they asked.
- 42:53Speaker 1: Were you free to leave at any time without fear
- 42:56Speaker 1: of violence? I don't know, I mean maybe that's just
- 42:59Speaker 1: too convoluted instead of just asking were you free to leave? Right?
- 43:03Speaker 1: You know, Like, I think they made the questions too complicated. Also,
- 43:07Speaker 1: I was also thinking that maybe she passed because there's
- 43:09Speaker 1: been a long period of time since the kidnapping to
- 43:12Speaker 1: when she took this lie detector test.
- 43:14Speaker 2: And who administered light test? Like who who was it
- 43:17Speaker 2: that set it up? Did she just do it on
- 43:18Speaker 2: her own?
- 43:19Speaker 1: She did it through this new interview, this interview that
- 43:22Speaker 1: she did, so I don't know because she did it
- 43:24Speaker 1: on camera.
- 43:25Speaker 2: What was the second question you referenced, did you ask.
- 43:27Speaker 1: James to brand you? Which is very straightforward? She said
- 43:30Speaker 1: no and she passed that maybe she didn't ask him,
- 43:34Speaker 1: Maybe she just gave him the branding tools.
- 43:36Speaker 2: I'm saying how they asked her, there should be follow
- 43:39Speaker 2: up questions. There may very well have been.
- 43:41Speaker 1: Yeah, there were other questions that she was asked that
- 43:43Speaker 1: she did not pass.
- 43:44Speaker 2: Do polygraph questions are they only? Are they mostly yes?
- 43:47Speaker 1: No?
- 43:48Speaker 2: Questions? Well I don't or like factual like a date
- 43:51Speaker 2: or something, or can it be how did you get
- 43:55Speaker 2: the branding?
- 43:56Speaker 1: I think you're supposed to make the questions as simplistic
- 43:58Speaker 1: as possible with with yes no answers, because what the
- 44:02Speaker 1: what what it's reading is a physical response. But my
- 44:05Speaker 1: thought was this kidnapping happened in twenty sixteen. Here she
- 44:08Speaker 1: is in twenty twenty five taking a lie detector test.
- 44:11Speaker 1: Does the passage of time make a difference on a
- 44:14Speaker 1: physical response? Maybe she's told this story so many times
- 44:18Speaker 1: at this point.
- 44:19Speaker 2: But you know what, even if she's even those questions
- 44:21Speaker 2: are accurately answered, it doesn't It doesn't help with anything.
- 44:25Speaker 2: It's a mess. Was she wasn't she under what her?
- 44:29Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't make any sense. Right, It's still
- 44:31Speaker 2: a mess. Right, doesn't solve the case.
- 44:35Speaker 1: I don't think there's any solving it. I think what
- 44:37Speaker 1: it comes down to is I think she's a known
- 44:41Speaker 1: liar and narcissist and sociopath. I think that she she
- 44:46Speaker 1: The fact that they had burner phones and they were
- 44:48Speaker 1: communicating she and James, Well, it's.
- 44:52Speaker 2: Anyone that says they're having any emotional fair right there,
- 44:54Speaker 2: they're lying.
- 44:55Speaker 1: And the fact that she's returned on Thanksgiving Day, she
- 44:59Speaker 1: didn't pick her kids up from daycare that day. I mean,
- 45:02Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, it just seems like it
- 45:04Speaker 1: was concocted by her. It was her way of having
- 45:07Speaker 1: an affair without her husband knowing that she was having
- 45:10Speaker 1: an affair. It was an elaborate scheme. I think she
- 45:13Speaker 1: lies a lot. I think she's a master at lying.
- 45:17Speaker 1: Her interview, there were several parts of her interview that
- 45:20Speaker 1: really bothered me. In this newest interview that she did,
- 45:23Speaker 1: there was one part where she looks directly at the
- 45:25Speaker 1: camera when she's talking to the producer, because the producer
- 45:28Speaker 1: says something like why did you lie? And she looks
- 45:30Speaker 1: right at the camera and she goes, haven't you lied?
- 45:34Speaker 1: Haven't you lied? Have you ever in your life lied?
- 45:36Speaker 1: And I remember sitting there looking at her and thinking, yeah,
- 45:39Speaker 1: I'm sure all of us a little bit, like I'll
- 45:42Speaker 1: tell Annabel that, you know, we don't have any cookies left.
- 45:45Speaker 1: I remember telling the boys that McDonald's was closed, Like.
- 45:49Speaker 2: You come home and I say where were you? And
- 45:50Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I was kidnapped. This guy was having
- 45:52Speaker 2: the emotional affair with right.
- 45:54Speaker 1: I just I thought, Wow, the nerve of this woman
- 45:57Speaker 1: to look directly in the camera at us out here,
- 46:00Speaker 1: at the audience and say, haven't you ever lied?
- 46:03Speaker 2: The answer is yes, she did. That's what she's saying.
- 46:06Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly, Well she's saying she lied about the kidnapping.
- 46:11Speaker 2: I don't know, so, you know, of all things, what
- 46:15Speaker 2: gets to me is I wake up worried, stressed about
- 46:18Speaker 2: my day. Bill's getting paid this net and these people
- 46:22Speaker 2: live just one day at a time.
- 46:23Speaker 1: They live one one kidnapping hopes at a time. Yeah,
- 46:26Speaker 1: one whe detector test.
- 46:27Speaker 2: That got, I know, yeah, she got. She probably has
- 46:29Speaker 2: way less stress than I do.
- 46:31Speaker 1: Probably. Scherry claims that James passed the lie detector test
- 46:37Speaker 1: because he's a sociopath, not her.
- 46:40Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not her.
- 46:41Speaker 1: She's not the sociopath. It's James. He's a sociopath. Keith
- 46:46Speaker 1: Peppini claims that his daughter Violet and said Sherry would
- 46:49Speaker 1: force her children to inhale cotton swabs drenched and rubbing
- 46:52Speaker 1: alcohol when they were sick to make them even more sick.
- 46:55Speaker 1: Sherry denies this, claiming she gave her children essential oils
- 46:59Speaker 1: when they were sick because they were allergic to vis
- 47:01Speaker 1: That was one of the things he said in the documentary.
- 47:03Speaker 1: If you watch The Perfect Wife, at the very end,
- 47:05Speaker 1: he talks about how his children said that she would
- 47:07Speaker 1: so like cotton balls and alcohol and then tie it
- 47:11Speaker 1: around their neck. I don't know if there's any truth
- 47:14Speaker 1: to that. I have no idea. It doesn't make any
- 47:16Speaker 1: sense that you would tie anything around a child's neck.
- 47:18Speaker 1: I don't care if it's essential oils or if it's alcohol.
- 47:21Speaker 1: It all seems very odd to me. Sherry's therapist, family lawyer,
- 47:26Speaker 1: and sister in law whose name is Suzanne, that's Key's
- 47:29Speaker 1: biological sister, all believe her story. First of all, when
- 47:32Speaker 1: you talk about let me just say this, if you
- 47:34Speaker 1: guys watch the four part documentary of her recent interview,
- 47:38Speaker 1: they do interview her therapist. Her therapist annoys me. He
- 47:42Speaker 1: believes everything this woman says.
- 47:44Speaker 2: He it's a male and you're willing. No, I don't
- 47:47Speaker 2: like him. Why did you just call him entertaining?
- 47:49Speaker 1: No, I don't like him. I don't like him at all,
- 47:52Speaker 1: because this is what I think. I think so many
- 47:55Speaker 1: people find a therapist that they yes therapist, someone that
- 48:00Speaker 1: they can manipulate, that they can just tell all their
- 48:03Speaker 1: their side of the story, and then the therapist is like,
- 48:06Speaker 1: those people are wrong, They shouldn't treat you like that.
- 48:08Speaker 1: You're right. Do you really get anything out of therapy
- 48:10Speaker 1: if you just find someone that just goes along with
- 48:13Speaker 1: everything that you're saying and they can't discern between delusion
- 48:19Speaker 1: and fact and lies. And I don't know, I just
- 48:21Speaker 1: didn't like the therapist. I felt that like the therapist
- 48:23Speaker 1: just enabled her by saying that, you know, he believes
- 48:26Speaker 1: everything she said. And the reason she lies is because
- 48:28Speaker 1: she has trauma. And when you have a lot of trauma,
- 48:30Speaker 1: you just lie about things because you can't really remember
- 48:32Speaker 1: what happened anyway, because there was trauma. I don't know.
- 48:36Speaker 1: In Sheery's HBO docuseries, this is the most recent one,
- 48:39Speaker 1: her mother, who was supposedly on her side, explicitly said
- 48:42Speaker 1: the incident was not a kidnapping. Sherry writes this off
- 48:46Speaker 1: as her mother being confused, and also the editing twisting
- 48:49Speaker 1: things around. I love when people blame the editing. That
- 48:51Speaker 1: happens on Housewives too. Everyone for their bad behavior always
- 48:55Speaker 1: likes to blame the editing. I like when people like
- 48:57Speaker 1: after an episode comes out and everyone's liked, it was me,
- 49:00Speaker 1: it was that iting. Keith Peppini still retains custody of
- 49:04Speaker 1: their two children. Sherry has allowed one supervised visit per month,
- 49:08Speaker 1: lasting about one hour. She's allowed weekly calls with the
- 49:11Speaker 1: children at Keith's discretion. However, Sherry claims she's only seen
- 49:15Speaker 1: her children three times since being out of prison. Also,
- 49:18Speaker 1: there's another thing in her this most recent docuseries, she
- 49:22Speaker 1: records herself having a phone call with her children. I
- 49:26Speaker 1: guess she gets to talk to them on Sundays. So
- 49:28Speaker 1: she sets up the camera and she records herself having
- 49:31Speaker 1: a conversation with her kids. She's so dramatic. She she's
- 49:37Speaker 1: overly like, oh baby, tell me more. Oh my gosh,
- 49:40Speaker 1: I tell me so much. Yes. Then she hangs up
- 49:46Speaker 1: with her children, and then she screams and is like
- 49:51Speaker 1: grabbing her head and she's all dramatic, and she's sobbing
- 49:54Speaker 1: and sobbing well right that she gets the one weekly
- 49:58Speaker 1: phone call with them, And I'm just so I am
- 50:01Speaker 1: so turned off by people who set up a phone
- 50:05Speaker 1: to record themselves and then record themselves having this over
- 50:10Speaker 1: the top, dramatic, ridiculous, you know response. And then they
- 50:15Speaker 1: give it to the producers and they're like, here, here, here,
- 50:18Speaker 1: here's what happens here, Please show this. This is what happens.
- 50:21Speaker 1: You know when I only get a weekly call with
- 50:23Speaker 1: my children, you know, I cry and scream and I
- 50:25Speaker 1: act dramatic.
- 50:26Speaker 2: I know there's people to do that. It's ridiculous.
- 50:28Speaker 1: And then there's also another scene where I guess Keith
- 50:32Speaker 1: comes over to where she's living and he wants her
- 50:34Speaker 1: to sign custody of the children over, and she secretly
- 50:37Speaker 1: records him. So she has the phone, she like puts
- 50:40Speaker 1: it under the bed, she records him, and then they
- 50:43Speaker 1: play this audio and I'm thinking, if you're trying to
- 50:47Speaker 1: make this guy look bad, I actually agree with him.
- 50:50Speaker 1: He goes over and he's like, let's just do this
- 50:52Speaker 1: the easy way without having to pay attorneys and things
- 50:54Speaker 1: like why don't you just sign the kids over to me,
- 50:56Speaker 1: this is when she's going to prison. She signed a
- 50:58Speaker 1: plea deal. She's going to prison, and she records it
- 51:01Speaker 1: as if she's catching him, you know, being mean and
- 51:04Speaker 1: being abusive to her. But let's be honest, she knows
- 51:07Speaker 1: that she's recording the conversation, so she's very calm and
- 51:09Speaker 1: she says everything correctly, and all it does is catch
- 51:12Speaker 1: him saying that that she can do this the easy
- 51:14Speaker 1: way or the hard way. She can either sign over
- 51:16Speaker 1: custody of the kids or they can fight for custody,
- 51:18Speaker 1: and she's going to federal prison. So again, I felt
- 51:22Speaker 1: like that was a manipulation tactic of her trying to
- 51:24Speaker 1: make this guy look bad and controlling and abusive and
- 51:27Speaker 1: all these things. But anyway, I just found her behavior
- 51:31Speaker 1: to be the manipulative behavior. But anyway, all right, are
- 51:35Speaker 1: we gonna talk about her more?
- 51:36Speaker 2: Is she like, well, I don't.
- 51:38Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. It depends on if she
- 51:39Speaker 1: has any she has more docuseries explain in trying to
- 51:45Speaker 1: say that she it now was a kidnapping hoax. I
- 51:48Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, who knows. This woman's all over
- 51:50Speaker 1: the place. I don't trust anything that she says, and
- 51:53Speaker 1: I do believe the kids are safer with their father.
- 51:55Speaker 1: At least I feel like they have some stability with him.
- 51:59Speaker 1: And I do know that she has a current family
- 52:01Speaker 1: law case where she is trying to get more custody.
- 52:04Speaker 1: I mean, you can see what happens with that.
- 52:06Speaker 2: But she'll get some visitation and then they'll be aged
- 52:09Speaker 2: out and then they'll be into that.
- 52:10Speaker 1: Anyway, we did our best to try to fit that
- 52:13Speaker 1: story into an hour. It's very complex. There's a lot
- 52:16Speaker 1: of other things that happen. I would suggest if you
- 52:18Speaker 1: find Cherry Peppini's case interesting, to go back and watch
- 52:21Speaker 1: A Perfect Wife on Hulu and then watch her four
- 52:24Speaker 1: part recent series it's on Max. So thank you for
- 52:29Speaker 1: listening to our Sherry Peppini case.
- 52:32Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Sherry Peppinia to get for giving us
- 52:35Speaker 2: something to talk about. And you are a nut. Just
- 52:38Speaker 2: good luck with your life like it is, Shane.
- 52:41Speaker 1: Thanks guys,