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Legally Brunette: Sherri Papini · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be your host Emily Simpson and my co host Shane.
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  Speaker 1: You're supposed to say, just Shane, Shane, just Shane. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Our last episode we did we went through a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of the Karen Reid trial, but we also got
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  Speaker 1: to the closing arguments and the verdict. However, I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was important at the top of this episode just
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  Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the Alberts and mccabes
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  Speaker 1: because they decided to give interviews right after the verdict
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  Speaker 1: came out. So let's talk about who was interviewed now.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Albert, who was the one who owned the home
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  Speaker 1: and he was a Boston police officer where John O'Keeffe
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  Speaker 1: was found dead outside of his home, His wife Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: his brother Chris, as well as his sister in law,
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  Speaker 1: who we all know is Jen McCabe, the one who
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  Speaker 1: testified in court, and her husband Matt All spoke to
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  Speaker 1: ABC News in an interview which was released on Friday,
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  Speaker 1: June twentieth. This was two days after Karen Reid was acquitted.
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  Speaker 1: All five were witnesses at Reed's first trial. However, when
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  Speaker 1: they did the reach trial. Jennifer McCabe was the only
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  Speaker 1: one who testified at the retrial. Now, I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: about this, and I assume the prosecution puts on their
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  Speaker 1: on their case and they were like, Okay, we don't
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  Speaker 1: need any of you to testify again because that did
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  Speaker 1: not work the first time around. So Jen McCabe was
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  Speaker 1: the only one who actually testified for the prosecution.
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  Speaker 2: You mean you think that they had her testify and
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  Speaker 2: then after it was a bad testimony for them, then
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  Speaker 2: they decided not to have anyone else.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think all of these people that were all
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  Speaker 1: within the house all testified in the first trial, and
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  Speaker 1: then when the retrial came along.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so even before the second trial, they realized like,
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  Speaker 2: this is not a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: I think they were like, none of they're not credible,
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  Speaker 1: and we're just not going to put them on. So
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  Speaker 1: Jen McCabe, who is the who is the sister in
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  Speaker 1: law of Brian Albert who owns the home, is the
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  Speaker 1: only one who testified at the retrial. All right, So
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  Speaker 1: let's just go over a little bit of what they did.
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  Speaker 1: The families have been accused by Reid and her defense
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  Speaker 1: lawyers to be the ones who were responsible for John
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  Speaker 1: O'Keeffe's death. That was the That was their defense was
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  Speaker 1: that there was a conspiracy and that these police officers
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  Speaker 1: all conspired together that something happened to John within the home,
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  Speaker 1: and then that they put the body out on the lawn.
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  Speaker 1: They blame Karen Read for it. But in the interview,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Albert describes the theory as quote preposterous and silly.
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  Speaker 1: You do realize for this conspiracy to be true, it
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  Speaker 1: would take thirty to fifty people to be in on it.
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  Speaker 1: This is what Albert told Matt Gutman, who is the interviewer.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand how people buy this.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna price speak to it, but I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I agree with it takes thirty to whatever people
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  Speaker 2: to be in on it.
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  Speaker 1: So I had the same question. I remember when this
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  Speaker 1: trial was going on, initially thinking if this is a
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy and that's the defense's play, it really is astonishing
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  Speaker 1: to me that someone has not come forward or spoken
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  Speaker 1: out or broke this pack that they have.
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  Speaker 2: It's not surprising to me. It happens a lot. If
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  Speaker 2: there's like a drug party and someone dies, there's all
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  Speaker 2: these people at the party house and people are like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm staying out of it, walking away.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it makes me not like.
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  Speaker 2: Their hands are dirty per se, they're just staying away
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  Speaker 2: from it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it makes me also think about pity. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: and his freak offs. I mean, these have been going on.
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  Speaker 2: For years, years, and those are people that don't even
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  Speaker 2: benefit from the freak cops. They're just like security guard, janitors,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pairman, Yeah, others delivering the baby celebrities.
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  Speaker 1: So the fact that no one was talking about these
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  Speaker 1: freak offs and there were so many people involved and
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  Speaker 1: it went on for years and years and years, goes to.
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  Speaker 2: Show you that you can have It's like you see
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  Speaker 2: an accident, does everyone pull over and try to say,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a waitness, I can help out. No, A lot
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  Speaker 2: of people just think I gotta go to work and
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  Speaker 2: these drive.
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  Speaker 1: Off, all right. So, Brian Albert also addressed one of
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  Speaker 1: the major criticisms Reid's defense had on his conduct of
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  Speaker 1: the morning of January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two. Despite
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  Speaker 1: being a fellow Boston Police officer and a trained first responder,
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  Speaker 1: Albert never left his home, which is one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that we talked about when we did earlier episodes,
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  Speaker 1: was how bizarre it is that he is a police officer.
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  Speaker 1: He's inside this home, there's a body found dead on
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  Speaker 1: his lawn. He's a first responder. It's a fellow police officer,
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  Speaker 1: and he never leaves his home to find out what happened,
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  Speaker 1: to ask to inquire, and police never went inside his I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Sure when he pulls someone over for a moving violation,
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  Speaker 2: he's very detail oriented, takes notes, yeah, checks all the paperwork,
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  Speaker 2: completes the form for the ticket. But then with this
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  Speaker 2: dead body on his lawn, and he's.
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  Speaker 1: Like, he doesn't want it, he's not interested.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's got to get his floor as repaired.
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  Speaker 1: So during this interview, Brian Albert says, what am I
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  Speaker 1: supposed to do? Run out front in my underwear and
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  Speaker 1: start running yellow tape around the fire hydrant. Yes, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a Canton police officer. I'm a Boston police officer.
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  Speaker 1: I was just woken up out of a cold sleep
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  Speaker 1: from hanging out the night before. By the time I
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  Speaker 1: came downstairs, the police were already in my house. John
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  Speaker 1: was already gone, and there was nobody to save. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, he says in the interview, the police were
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  Speaker 1: already in my house.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's police. No, but please live in that house.
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  Speaker 2: He is the police, isn't he.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's referring to the police that we're investigating,
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  Speaker 1: and that's not true. I feel like this is just.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if it is true, then it's what information did
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  Speaker 2: they gather by being inside the house?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's confirmed that there were no No
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  Speaker 1: one went in the house.
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  Speaker 2: Is saying that because he's.
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  Speaker 1: A liar, because I don't, because I think he's making
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  Speaker 1: up what happened that day, because there's in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: allegedly there was something nefarious that went on in that house,
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  Speaker 1: and that there's a cover up.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's opinion this right, So now that.
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  Speaker 1: He's giving first of all, it probably wasn't a great
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  Speaker 1: idea for them to give an interview.
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  Speaker 2: They probably would you give an interview, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Because people think they're going to change people's minds that
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  Speaker 1: they're if they speak to it, and they and they
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  Speaker 1: and they're convincing enough in their own head that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to convince other people. I think all it did
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  Speaker 1: was make them look more guilty. He says, I would
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  Speaker 1: have taken a bullet for John O'Keeffe because he was
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  Speaker 1: a fellow cop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not going to go out there. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go out there my body and
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  Speaker 2: see if he's alive or dead.
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  Speaker 1: Or I'll take a bullet. But I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: go out there with manderwear and run yellow tail.
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  Speaker 2: And I won't testify and I won't admit for any wrongdoing,
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  Speaker 2: but I'll take a bullet.
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  Speaker 1: And I would take a bullet Matt McCabe.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's sorry. That's because it's easy to say that.
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  Speaker 2: People say that all the time that they'll they'll do anything.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's easy to say that or say I'll
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  Speaker 2: lay down my life or I'll give my life. But
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  Speaker 2: but when you're actually in the position, will he take
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  Speaker 2: a bullet?
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  Speaker 1: No, doubt it, No, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't I take a bullet from my friends?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah no, probably not. No, you probably would take a
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  Speaker 1: bullet for me. Like what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Son, who's firing? And what you did.
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  Speaker 1: Matt McCabe said the group stayed silent because they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to let the court do its job. We took what
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  Speaker 1: we thought was the high road, he said. Brian Albert
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  Speaker 1: adds the criminal justice system has led us down at
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  Speaker 1: every turn. Yesterday when Karen was acquitted, was the final letdown.
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  Speaker 1: No one protects you, and it's very very sad. Think
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  Speaker 1: long and hard before you're a witness in a case,
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  Speaker 1: added his wife Nicole. She said she was just sad
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  Speaker 1: for John's family. Yeah, and I mean we've talked about that.
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  Speaker 1: We're all sad for John O'Keefe's family. The real travesty
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  Speaker 1: is that there's no closure in this case, and they
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  Speaker 1: still have the civil lawsuit going on. But yep, we'll
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  Speaker 1: see what happens with that. The Oke family has not issued.
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  Speaker 2: A public A civil lawsuit might reveal more information, right,
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  Speaker 2: because some things might be more admissible in a civil case.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to dive into that. I have heard
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is true, but it
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  Speaker 1: has to do also with Karen's behavior that night in
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  Speaker 1: the house when she couldn't find John because his daughter
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  Speaker 1: was in the house and she was fourteen, and there's
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  Speaker 1: something about her possibly being traumatized by the way Karen
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  Speaker 1: acted or so I think I.
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  Speaker 2: Think they'll be more to learn. Yeah, maybe still some
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  Speaker 2: more questions to be answered, but there'll be more to
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  Speaker 2: learn as a result of the civil case.
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  Speaker 1: So the Okey family has not issued to public statements
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  Speaker 1: since the verdict and did not speak to the press
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  Speaker 1: outside the courthouse. They are still suing read for John
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  Speaker 1: O'Keefe's death in a civil lawsuit. All right, let's move
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  Speaker 1: on to Sherry Peppini. I'm so excited to do this
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  Speaker 1: case because it is nuts and I love talking about
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  Speaker 1: nutty women because I like there's I am always intrigued
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  Speaker 1: by Shane's reaction.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know much about this case.
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  Speaker 1: I know you don't Cherry Peppini. First of all, there
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  Speaker 1: was a documentary I'm going to tell you if you
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  Speaker 1: guys drink, I would like sh First of all, let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you the order you need to go about
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  Speaker 1: watching this, because I feel like too many people who
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  Speaker 1: are now interested in the Sherry Peppini case are only
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  Speaker 1: watching the four part documentary that came out on Identity
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  Speaker 1: What is It ID Identification Discovery, which is the the
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  Speaker 1: most newly released interview that she did after serving time
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  Speaker 1: in prison. If you only watch that, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: you might be a little biased and a little jaded.
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  Speaker 1: So I would suggest that if you're interested in a
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  Speaker 1: full account of what happened, go and watch the Hulu
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  Speaker 1: documentary It's called a Perfect Wife, that is about what
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  Speaker 1: happened with this kidnapping and everything. It gives you a
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  Speaker 1: very deep background into her life and her husband and
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  Speaker 1: her kids and this whole kidnapping. Then watch the new
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  Speaker 1: four part interview that she does recently, because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you have to put those two together to really
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  Speaker 1: have a full concept of everything.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect Wife, Well, I mean, I get why is it
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  Speaker 2: called perfect Wife?
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  Speaker 1: I think because that's the way she portrayed herself as
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  Speaker 1: like this perfect wife and mom and really in reality,
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  Speaker 1: she's insane. All right, Let's get into Sherry. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: into Sherry pep Beanie.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: Sharry is a California mother of two who's twenty sixteen
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  Speaker 1: disappearance and dramatic or sparked national attention, only to unravel
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  Speaker 1: years later as one of the most notorious kidnapping hoaxes
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  Speaker 1: in modern times. So this happened back in November two
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  Speaker 1: of twoenty and sixteen. Peppini is believed to have been
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  Speaker 1: kidnapped during an eleven AM jog. Her husband, Keith Peppini,
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  Speaker 1: says he last received a text from Sherry at ten
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  Speaker 1: thirty seven am asking if he planned to return home
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  Speaker 1: for lunch, but he claims he didn't see the text
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  Speaker 1: right away and responded back around one thirty pm. Keith
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  Speaker 1: reports her missing that evening after he comes home to
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  Speaker 1: find she isn't there and had not picked up the
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  Speaker 1: kids from daycare. He does find my iPhone and that
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  Speaker 1: led Keith to Sherry's phone and earbuds, which were found
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  Speaker 1: on the ground with strands of hair appearing as though
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  Speaker 1: there had been some type of struggle. Authorities and family
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  Speaker 1: members launch an intensive search and public awareness campaign. Now
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  Speaker 1: he starts doing a lot of interviews. Of course, what
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  Speaker 1: does everyone say when a wife disappears? They clearly please.
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  Speaker 2: Come home, please go.
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  Speaker 1: And when I watched his interviews, it kind of it
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  Speaker 1: reminded me of Scott Peterson when Lacey was missing and
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  Speaker 1: he did all the interviews about you know, like Marie,
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  Speaker 1: come back, please come back, bring my wife back. Although
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  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson is dead in the face, at least Keith
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  Speaker 1: Peppinie has I find him somewhat more believable. When I
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  Speaker 1: was watching his interviews, I felt as if I didn't think, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: he's the one.
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  Speaker 2: What state is this in?
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  Speaker 1: This is in northern California and reading. So Sherry Peppini
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  Speaker 1: disappears from November third to November twenty third, She's gone
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  Speaker 1: around twenty two days. Local, state, and federal law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: are involved in the missing person's case. I do know
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  Speaker 1: that Keith also requested that the FBI be involved. Someone
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  Speaker 1: told him that he should do that, and there is
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  Speaker 1: video of him during his interviews asking for the FBI
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  Speaker 1: to be involved. Social media and go fund me campaigns
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  Speaker 1: draw national attention. There was a GoFundMe that raised more
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  Speaker 1: than forty two thousand towards search efforts, and the Peppini
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  Speaker 1: family also offered a fifty thousand dollars reward for Sherry's
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  Speaker 1: safe return. He also made. Keith also made many emotional
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  Speaker 1: appearances on Good Morning America, ABC News, et cetera, describing
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  Speaker 1: his wife as a supermom and pleading for her safe return.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's sign of guilt right there.
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  Speaker 1: What the supermom? Yeah, well, he's not guilty. November twenty
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  Speaker 1: fourth is Thanksgiving Day. At four thirty am, Sherry is
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  Speaker 1: found in the middle of country Road seventeen and I
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  Speaker 1: five in Yolo County, Yolo. You only live once.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the last one in apathetic order, though it's
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  Speaker 2: not Yuma County, Yuma, it's a close one. It's a
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  Speaker 2: close second.
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  Speaker 1: It was near the Woodland area, about one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty miles south of where she first disappeared. She has
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  Speaker 1: found bruised and emaciated, with bindings and a brand on
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  Speaker 1: her shoulder that says Exodus. Her hair has also been cut.
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  Speaker 1: Was Exodus, Well, it's a Bible.
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  Speaker 2: Verse, I know, but like I don't know, Yeah, what
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  Speaker 2: was the significance of that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, not really anything, I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: Was it like a certain font or was it a
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  Speaker 2: certain like style that means some type of cult?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We would have to ask Sherry that did tattoo. I'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, okay, whatever, But you said branded, it's different.
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  Speaker 1: It's branded. It was burned onto her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's Sherry's story.
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  Speaker 1: She claims that she was captured by two Hispanic women
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  Speaker 1: and a dark suv while on her run. They took
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  Speaker 1: her to an unknown location, which she claims to have
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  Speaker 1: been drugged during the car ride, so she didn't know
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  Speaker 1: where she was. She said she was physically restrained, with
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  Speaker 1: her wrists and ankles chained and a bag over her
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  Speaker 1: head for the majority of the time. She said she
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  Speaker 1: was beaten repeatedly, often just for fun, by one of
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  Speaker 1: the women, who she referred to as the mean one.
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  Speaker 1: She claims she was starved, losing a significant amount of weight,
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  Speaker 1: reportedly fifteen to twenty pounds within a twenty two day
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  Speaker 1: period that she was gone. She said her two captors
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  Speaker 1: branded her on the right shoulder with a heated tool,
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  Speaker 1: though she didn't know what the word act that is meant,
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  Speaker 1: Apparently it is a reference to the Bible. She was
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  Speaker 1: forced to use a small bucket as a latrine, and
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  Speaker 1: she reported that one of the women appeared more sympathetic
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  Speaker 1: and that her release was likely negotiated by her I
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  Speaker 1: watched her interview when she was telling the police, and
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  Speaker 1: she calls the two Hispanic women that she claims abducted her.
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  Speaker 1: She says there was a big one and there was
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  Speaker 1: a small one, and she said the big one was
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  Speaker 1: the mean one, and the small one was more sympathetic
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  Speaker 1: towards her recorded police interviews was Sherry Peppini, and the
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  Speaker 1: hours after her return showed she was reluctant to speak
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  Speaker 1: with investigators, claiming that her abductors told her she was
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  Speaker 1: going to be trafficked to someone in law enforcement. Sheery
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  Speaker 1: avoided doing media interviews after she had escaped. She even
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  Speaker 1: avoided large.
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  Speaker 2: Crad Did she escape or negotiate her release?
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  Speaker 1: Well, what happened was they she was found dropped on
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  Speaker 1: the side of the room.
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  Speaker 2: I vaguely remember this in the news.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm starting, and someone picks her up and he
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  Speaker 1: calls nine one one, and you can hear his nine
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  Speaker 1: one one recording, and he calls her first, he calls
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  Speaker 1: her Sherry Panini and then she says Peppini. So a
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  Speaker 1: bystander on the highway finds her and calls police, and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, has a chain wrapped around her waist and she.
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  Speaker 2: Has She's not very good negotiator.
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  Speaker 1: She has u ties. What are those zip ties?
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  Speaker 2: Cable ties?
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  Speaker 1: Cable ties? Right, So she avoids doing me to interviews
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  Speaker 1: after she's caught. There are several interviews that I watch
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  Speaker 1: in the documentary where the police are recording her. They're
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  Speaker 1: asking her questions about what happened, and I find her
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  Speaker 1: so disingenuine and so unlikable. She talks about things that
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  Speaker 1: don't make sense, Like she talks about how she texts
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  Speaker 1: her husband to come home for lunch, but lunch really
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  Speaker 1: means come home to have sex. I thought that was
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  Speaker 1: just odd that these are things that she's telling investigators
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  Speaker 1: when supposedly she's, you know, been kidnapped for twenty two
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  Speaker 1: days and has been beaten, and she's just making jokes
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  Speaker 1: about like sexual references with her husband. She says that
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: she needs to close her eyes when she talks. She
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: can't remember a lot of things anyway. I find her
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: difficult to believe. There was also a skinheads dot com
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: article amidst all of this, it was discovered that Sherry
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: had written a racist post against the Hispanic community on
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: a skinhead website under her maiden name Sherry Graf.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Prior to or after.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Prior to, the blog entry claims Peppini was persecuted by
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Latinos at her high school for being of German descent
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: and that she was white and proud of her blood
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: and heritage. The post read, I totally agree with skinheads
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: that girls should not fight, they should stand by their men.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Being white is my family, my roots, my way of life.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: It's always there. There's no denying it. It's nobility, its strength,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: it will be there. To lift me up when I
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: really need my pride, when I need to keep walking.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: When asked about this post, Sherry denies writing it and
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: claims someone impersonated her.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Why would someone in personate her and go on a
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: skinhead website? That's so random?
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: It is random, But this is what happens when someone
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: is the type of person who repeatedly lies about everything.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: On October twenty fifth, twenty seventeen.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: So you find these cases that are very that just
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: leave lots of questions.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's lots of questions. I think that.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be confusing. In this case, it
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: sounds like it's going to be very confusing because you
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: just said she's a liar. She's a liar, so well
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: is Shelsey.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: So Sherry Peppini asks the FBI, can you do a
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: sketch of the two women who abducted me? So she
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: describes them, and they do a sketch and they release
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: it to the media, and it's two Hispanic women, a
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: bigger one and a smaller one, and they both have
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: masks on because she claims that they covered their face
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: for the majority of the time.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: She's just like so she asked for criminal sketch artists. Yes,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: and then she's like, oh, they wore masks, Yes, I
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: could have drawn that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: So basically they do the sketches of these two Hispanic women.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: They were basically just their eyes, their eyes and eyebrows.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: They release it. The media releases it like this is
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: there's new developments in the Sherry Peppina case. The sketch
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: artist has, you know, made these sketches based upon, you know,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: her detailed account of these two women that abducted her.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: The day that the sketch artist releases the sketches to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the media is the same day that the FBI gets
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: back DNA testing from her clothing from when she was abducted,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and there's male DNA found in her underwear.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: And is it has it been excluded that it's not
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: her husband's or boyfriends or whoever it is.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: No, it's not it's not her that out Yeah, okay.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So in the years following Sherry's return, local investigators as
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: well as the FBI are very skeptical of her claims,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: so they continue their search and investigation and to her
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: because if.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: She got beaten, there'd be some female DNA, you'd assume.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't find any female DNA. They only
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: find male DNA, not her husband, multiple males or no
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: one male?
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: The DNA evidence did not match her story. Investigators found
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: male DNA on her clothing and belongings, despite her claim
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: that she was abducted by two women. The DNA did
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: not match her husband or any suspect until it was
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: later matched to her ex boyfriend James Rays.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Wait, how did they make that connection?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Though they did, I don't know. They ran it through
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: COTIS or whatever.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: It took a while in the system.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Well no or no, Maybe it wasn't codis. I don't know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: it says Familia familial dale.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe the voluntarily.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: DNA. Well he, I'm sure he gave up his DNA, so.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: The lack of forensic evidence supporting the abduction. There were
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: no tire tracks, fingerprints of surveillance footage, or physical signs
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of an abduction were found where she allegedly disappeared. And also,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I know the FBI investigator also made the claim that
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: they were very suspicious of her from the very beginning
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: because when they found the cell phone and the headphones
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: apparently like her ear plugs or whatever, they were were
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: wrapped up neatly and like laying on top of the
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: cell phone, and the cell phone was lying on the ground.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And then there were some blonde hairs that were kind
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: of stuck into the earbuds.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Like someone pulls up to kidnapp her, and she's like,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: hold on one second, she rolls up her earbuds. Yes,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, So he finds her phone. He actually before he
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: picked up her phone, he took a picture of it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: That's even weirder.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Why is that weirder?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Took a picture of your phone when I found it?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess because it was evidence and
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: he didn't want to pick it up unless he took
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a photo of how it was sitting there.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: So he takes photos and he might be in it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: We'll find out he's gone.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: He's not in it. Unusual branding. The forensic experts suggests
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that exodus branding looked deliberate and controlled, not consistent with
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the panicked act of violence. I guess, you know, I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: understand that too. If they're trying to brand her and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: she's like captive and all these things, wouldn't you be
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: moving around? I think it just was very neatly done.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: It looked like she just I don't know, being wrapped up.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, so they found on her penterress page that the
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: same wooden tools that were used to brand her back
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: were part of her pinteress page.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Did they check her Amazon account and she purchased like
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a brand?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: She didn't purchase them. James ray As purchased them. Oh
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: really yes, and he had the receipt for it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Wait, so why are we bothered at? Okay, so she
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: wanted to go away and get branded by her ex
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: boyfriend or whatever. What's the what's the issue?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Because she said to she said to Hispanic women abducted her.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: The theory is or what what it comes down to
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: is that ray As is her ex boyfriend and she
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: was having and she calls an emotional affair with him.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: They got burner phones and they were communicating. Then he
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: comes from he lives in Coasta, Mesa. He drives from
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Coasta Mesa to reading anything emotion. She's trying to say
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: she didn't have sex with them.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so was it emotional DNA they found on
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: her underwear?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was an emotional DNA on her underwear.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Very well, keep gone.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: So they finally figure out because they don't believe her story.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: The two masks, the getting picked up on Thanksgiving?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Where city they find her in the same city.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: No, they found her one hundred and fifty miles away.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, wasn't it down here in Coasta Mesa
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: No, she was James Ray's lived in Coasta Mesa and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: that's where she spent the twenty two days in Coasta Mesa.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Then he drove her, I don't know, one hundred like
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: towards Redding and then dropped her off on the side.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Of the enough emotions for the weekend.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: When they on and zip ties she gets out of
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the car. I think there's actually surveillance of her running
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: without the zip ties. And then when they and then
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: when the police come then find her, she's zip tied,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: cable ties whatever they're called. And so basically what happens
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: was what they didn't believe her story from the beginning.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: So they're investigating her the whole time, even though they're
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: not telling her they're investigating her. They just keep interviewing
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: her and interviewing the husband.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And so she just divulges all this information while the.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Whole time the FBI is like, this is a bunch
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: of crap and they're investigating her without telling her. So
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they find the DNA, they link it to James Ray
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: As the police go to Costa Mesa and they interview
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: him and you can see they don't show him on camera.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: He clearly did not agree to show his imass or something. Yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: they show body cams and they show audio, I mean
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: not show, but you can hear audio, but they don't
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: show his face on camera.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Because he's just a witness at this point.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Well, and what he says is that she asked him
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to come and pick her up because her husband's abusive
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and she wants to get out of the marriage. So
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: in his eyes or the way he explains it is
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: he's just helping this girl out. So he comes and
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: he picks her Upie takes her to Coast to Mesa.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Then she stays for twenty two days in his house.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: He probably can't stand her.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but he claims that all the physical things,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: all the harm, the bruises, everything, it was self inflicted,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that she did it to herself, or that she directed
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: him to do it. I guess he was a hockey
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: player and she told him to hit her with a
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: hockey puck and he broke her.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Notes like she liked it or like to set up her.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: To set up her story. I guess that's how that's
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: how much.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Then he's a psycho too, because it's like, oh, let
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: me go help this woman. What do you need? Do
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: you need me to smack you in the face with
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: that hockey puck?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I agree. I don't understand for one second why this
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: James Rays guy goes along with this, Probably because.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: He initially tried to save her and help her, and
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: then you know, get emotional with her, and then they
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: come down to coast to Mesa, and then he realized
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: she's psycho. And then she says, well, let me let
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: me like complete the story and you have I have
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: been a so hit me in the face. And he's
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: like gladly because she's psycho. And then he tied her
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: up and dumped her off and he wants nothing to
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: do with her anymore.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would say that, I would say
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much in a nutshell.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And if she was nice and pleasant, I don't
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: think he would hit her in the face with the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: hockey puck.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: One he goes along with this story two. When they
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: interview him, he does not seem to be highly intelligent
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: at all. He seems very like.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Wasn't there receipts for a hotel too? Did they stay
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: in a hotel or his place?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: No, they stayed at his home. There was a receipt
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: for him buying the wood burning tools he had that.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: He's like, look, here's a receipt told me to buy it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And I think that they don't. The FBI doesn't give
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you a lot of information in these interviews that they do.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: They're very careful about their tools and tactics and behind
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the scenes.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Well, that way, then she could say something that might
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: conflict with what they found, and then that would be
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: more suspicious.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Right. But I'm just saying, even when they talk about
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: it after the fact, even giving interviews after the fact,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: they don't give away a lot of information about how
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they knew James was manipulated by her. I know he passed,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you know, a lie detector test, but we'll talk later
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: about her because she takes one later. But I just
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I don't I feel like he's almost so simple, like
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: he's not highly intelligent, that he just went along with
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: this crazy scheme, because who in their right mind, has
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: someone stayed with them for twenty two days when they
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: have a wife, when they have a husband and young children,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and then goes along with physically abusing them, and then
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: goes along with dumping them on the side of the road,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and doesn't think that that looks bad for them.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: It really makes my life feel very boring. Yeah, you're like, yeah,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: like you know, and he's probably less stressed than I
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: am in.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: His life, probably so. After they found James's DNA, this
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: was in August of twenty twenty, the FBI contacted and
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: questioned James Reyes at his home in Coasta, Mesa, And
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: let's just talk about what he told the investigators. He
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: says that Peppini had reached out to him. He confirmed
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that he and Peppini had previously dated in the early
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: two thousands. They were in constant communication via burner phones.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Months before her disappearance, she'd tell him she needed to
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: escape her abusive marriage and start over. He agreed to
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: help her and picked her up in Reading, driving her
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: six hundred miles south to his apartment in Costa Mesa.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: He claims she was never kidnapped. Rey said that Peppini
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: stayed willingly in his apartment for the entire twenty two
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: days that she was missing. He described her as staying
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: mostly inside doing household chores, watching TV, and exercising. He
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: claims she even watched the news coverage of her own disappearance.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Injuries were self inflicted or assisted by him. Reyes admitted
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to helping her create some of the injuries, including holding
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a hockey stick so she could run into it and
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: purposefully causing bruising. Branding her shoulder using a wood burning
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: tool was at her request, she says later in an interview,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to kind of to I don't know, get past the
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: wood burning thing, because you know, I told you this.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Wood burning tools were on her own pinterant page. The
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: way she explains it after the fact is she says, oh, well,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: when he kidnapped me, we were having a conversation and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I was telling him about how I was making these
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: handcrafted Christmas cards with wood burning tools, and he was
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: so interested in it that he went out and bought
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: someone branded my you know, my shoulder. I mean, do
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you really think she's in Costa Mesa with James Ray's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: talking about how she makes Christmas cards for her kids.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: No, she's watching the coverage of her own.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Right. Security cameras show Peppini running through an empty parking
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: lot towards the highway on Thanksgiving morning. In the footage,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: her hands are not tied together. She is running normally. However,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: when a driver found her on the side of the road,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: they were zip tied and she was wearing a chain
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: around her waist. She's like, don't forget to bring the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: zip ties and chain. I'll just put him in a
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I'll just I'll hang on to him and then right
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: before the police come, I'll just put them on myself.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I've always said ziptized. Are they not ziptized?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Sable?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, reyas cooperated fully with the FBI. He consented to
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: DNA collection, provided text messages, and allowed investigators to search
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: his apartment. He passed the polygraph test, and authorities confirmed
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: no chargers were filed against him as he had no
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: criminal intent and was considered a cooperating witness. All right,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: so his account directly contradicted everything Peppini had told law
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: enforcement and investigators now had a motive, a means, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the evidence, which was the DNA, the phone records, and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the injury creation and that she'd faked her own abduction.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: The DOJ said Rey's cooperation was truthful, consistent, and corroborated
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: by physical evidence. So the FBI is slowly building their case.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: From twenty twenty to twenty twenty two, investigators kept the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: case quiet for nearly two years. We talked about that.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: How they continue to talk to Pappinie, have interviews with her,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: but obviously they don't give away any information that they're
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: investigating this as they kidnapping hoax.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: No let her say anything she wants.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Right, They confirm and consistency in her interviews. They track
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: how she spent one hundred thousand plus dollars of victim funds,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: disability payments, and go fundme donations.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Some of those gounfund me things are people are way
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: too quick to just set them up and give people money,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: and it's like there's probably a lot of scammers on there.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Well, she got disability because so she's taking disability. She
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: also received money from like a California victims fund. And
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: then also clearly the state or the city or whoever
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: pays for it, taxpayers pay for her for the search efforts.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: So they build a case against her for mail fraud
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: which are the benefits that she received, and false statement,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: which is lying to federal agents. On March third of
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Sherry Peppini is arrested while tending her
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: children's music lessons. The charges against her are mail fraud
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and making false statements to federal officers. The FBI released
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: a forty four page data outlining all her planning with
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: ray As, her false statements about the two Hispanic women,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and her misuse of victim compensation funds. On April eighteenth
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, Sherry Peppini pleaded guilty to one
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: count of mail fraud and one count of making false statements.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Now I know they do an interview with her attorney
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and she makes it like and when she talks about
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the allegations against her, and when they arrest her, she
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: does this very woe is me. I don't even understand
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: what's going on. I don't even understand why I'm in jail.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I don't understand anything against me. And she talks about
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: how like someone else and jail with her had to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: explain the charges to her because she didn't even understand
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: what was going on. I just felt like when she talks,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: she does a very good job of doing this like
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: victim role. She's very good at that. Here's just something
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: else I want to talk about, because if you watch
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: a Perfect Wife or maybe even in the in her
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: recent interview, after she was married to Keith, I'm not
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: sure how long after, but she got caught texting other
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: men and she has a little history, well, she has
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: a history of what she calls always having these emotional affairs.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And I like how she calls them emotional affairs so
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: that she's never actually admitting that she has sex with
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: any of these other men. It's basically like Keith was
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: so terrible to her, and he was so awful, and
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't even talk to her, and he was controlling
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and abusive and all these things that she claims that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: she always had to have these emotional affairs with other men,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and she would save you know, these other guy's numbers
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: with like a female name, so she probably had like
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Jane and you know, Laurie and all these people that
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: she was texting with, but they were men. Anyway, Keith
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: finds out that she's been having these you know, emotional
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: affairs as she calls them, with other men, and he
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: makes her sign a post nuptial agreement after they've been
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: married for a while.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: This is prior pre kidnapping.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: This is pre kidnapping. So I didn't read. I tried
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: to find the post nuptial agreement. They actually show it
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit on the four part series where she
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: does an interview.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: But do you have money or something?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think they have a lot of money. They
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: seem just very middle class to me. He's like an
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: audio visual specialist for Best Buy and she's a stay
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: at home mom. So basically, after he finds out that
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: she's having, you know, these emotional affairs and she's texting
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: other men, he makes her sign a post nuptial agreement.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Why does he just make her agree not to have
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: these emotional affairs like.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: A post non emotional affair agreement, So she signs this
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: post nuptial agreement. It's completely one sided. It's basically says
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: if she's caught, well.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: It's probably not even valid. I bet he just drafted
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: himself and said, here's sign this right, which you can't do.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Both sides need to have an attorney. Even if she
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: says I don't want an attorney, she kind of has
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: to have an attorney to make it valid.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I actually read in a pre nuptial agreement both
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: people have to have representation, but for some reason, in
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a post nuptial it doesn't say that you have to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: have representation. It says that it can't be one sided
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: and it can't be unconscionable, but it recommends that you.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he should have made sure she had an
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: attorney so she can't later say what, I didn't know
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: what was going on.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing that is interesting to me is that
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: they make a big deal about this post nuptial agreement,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: about how one sided it was, and in my mind,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking it wouldn't even be enforceable. Everybody's making it
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: like he forced her to sign it.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Whole scheme of things anyway.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Well, to me, I think the post nuptial agreement is
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: very important because I feel as if she wanted to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: have an affair with James ray As, but the only
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: way she could have an affair is to make it
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: look like a kidnapping hoax so that the post nuptial
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: agreement wouldn't come into effect because basically he made her
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: sign a very one did.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: The post agreement steps then they do.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: With an affair, Yes, he made her sign it.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Basically, you can't do that stuff anyway. Sorry, you can't
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: do that stuff anyway. You can't be like, if you
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: cheat on me, you don't get this money.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying this nuptial agreement that he made
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: her sign was basically, if you cheat on me, if
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: you talk to other men, if you have affairs, you
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: get nothing, you get no money, you.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Leave, or if you stage a kidnapping.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he forgot to add that part to.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: The emotional affairs. If there's any male DNA found on you.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: In your underwear, yes, so to me, I feel as
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: if the post nuptial agreement is very interesting because I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: feel as if she created this whole kidnapping hoax in
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: order to have an affair with her ex boyfriend, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: if she did get caught, then she just blames it
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: on a kidnapping hoax so that she's not actually having
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: an affair with her ex boyfriend, so that the post
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: nuptial agreement doesn't come into effect and he gets to
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: take the kids and all the money and everything, even though,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: let's be honest, this post nuptial agreement wouldn't be valid anyway, passable.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: It's one sided her it's valid.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Right, but she clearly thinks it's valid.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: But you're just guessing all this.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just putting.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I'm just putting your theory.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: My theory is that she she.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Signed the agreement and then she tried to abide.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: By it, and then she tried to abide by it
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: by thinking, I want to have an affair with my
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: ex emotion my boyfriend, an emotional affair, and I'm going
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to do it. However, I can't get caught having an affair,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: so I have to make it look like a kidnapping.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: So there you go. That's just my my thoughts on.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: That her commitment to having affairs is right.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is right.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I remember when they do the four part interview where
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: she speaks up and she now claims that it was
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: a kidnapping. So that's where we're at now, current like
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: present day.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Well, so she still admits it's that or she still
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: sticks to the story that's a kidnapping.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: No, So she was arrested and for the kidnapping, she
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: signs a plea agreement with very specific language basically saying
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: that she planned a hoax, that it was a fake kidnapping.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: She signs it, and then she's sentenced to I believe,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: two years in prison. She's released from prison. Now that
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: she's released from prison, here we are in present day
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and now she's doing interviews and she's saying, you know what,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a kidnapping hoax. I was abducted. So that's
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: where we're at today. She's now recanting, well, what's the matter.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: You already served your time, lady. I don't know, but
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: she claims she's married to this guy.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Still.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: No, he filed for divorce after she was the I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: don't know. They don't they They do an interview with
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: her family law attorney, which is entertaining. She's very entertaining.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Does she have access to those kids? I wouldn't want
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: her to have accesses?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: No, currently she does.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Without supervised visitation.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: So she's fighting for that's a saying because that's where
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: we're at currently is she's now recanting the kidnapping hoax
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: and saying that she was abducted by James. She's claiming
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: that she lied about it because I guess because she
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: was scared of him, or she didn't want her husband
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to know she was having an affair so she made
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: up the two Hispanic women. She doesn't want her husband
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: or anyone to know that she was with James, so
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: she claims she was abducted by two Hispanic women. Then
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: when they found when the FBI says we know it
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: was James because his DNA is in your underwear and
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: we've interviewed him, then she says, oh, well, I said
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: it was James's mom, and I described James's mom, so
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: it would lead you to James without me actually saying
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: it was James. And now that she's out of prison,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: she's saying it wasn't a kidnapping hoax, it really was James.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: But then I found the FBI investigator said, which I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: found funny. He goes, he said, well, James Ray's his
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: mom was Irish or something like that, Like she wasn't
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Hispanic anyway. Yeah, she wasn't Hispanic anyway. And she wasn't
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: and she wasn't Hispanic.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Why are they even entertaining whatever she has is saying anyway?
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you know that's maybe.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: The public because she's speaking about it and it's interesting,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: but like, why is law enforcement bothering with her? They
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be, Well, they're not.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Now she's been released from prison and they're not. But
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. Now she's doing all these interviews. So
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: now she did this interview with Investigation Discovery. They made
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: a four part series about her. She went on Nick Vile,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the Vile Files, and she's doubling down on them. Believe
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: her story that it was a real abduction.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: So let's we get her on here and we call
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: her out.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: You want to get Sherry Pepina. Can we make that happen.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Let's make Scherry call her out. I would love for
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: you to do an interview with Shane Simpson.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Oh so many holes in her story. It's ridiculous.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: So Sherry pleaded guilty to one count of mail fraud,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: one count of making false statements, and she was sentenced
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to eighteen okay, it was eighteen months in prison and
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: agreed to pay three hundred and nine thousand, six hundred
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and eighty six dollars and thirty three cents in a restitution.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: This was the breakdown. She took thirty thousand, six hundred
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: ninety four dollars from the California Victim Compensation Board. She
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: took one hundred and twenty seven thousand, seven hundred and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: eighty three dollars from the Social Security Administration for benefits,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty eight thousand to the Shasta County
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's office for the cost of investigating the case, and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: twenty five hundred and fifty eight dollars to the FBI
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: for the government sentencing or to the FBI for their
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: role in it doesn't seem like a lot. Twenty five
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars to the FBI, I don't know, but anyway,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: that's where they got the breakdown of what her restitution was,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: which was a total.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Sharyot money like that without I mean, she was able
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: to bamboozle them and get all that money. Well, she got.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Money from the California Victim Compensation, then she got money
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: from the Social Security Administration offices for benefits because she
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: said she.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Was disabled, just to hand out six figures like that.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: So Sherry Peppini is released from prison after serving about
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: eleven months in a federal facility. She was released to
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a residential re entry center then placed on supervised probation.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: So what has she been doing from twenty twenty three
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: to currently? She lost custody of her two children and
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: who now live with her ex husband Keith. She began
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: telling a revised version of the story, claiming Reya psychologically
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: manipulated her and that she was trapped in twenty twenty
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: four to twenty twenty five. Her new claims were featured
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: in Perfect Wife, which I told you guys to watch,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and Caught in the Lie which is the new one
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: on HBO, which is her most recent interview. And then
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I guess she has a self published memoir Sherry Peppini
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist. And then she did the Vile Files podcast,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: so that's where she's out speaking now. Also, this was
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: another thing that was in this new documentary is she
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: takes a polygraph and I thought for sure that she
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: was going to fail this polygraph.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Because clearly asked her.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: So Sharry and James both took polygraphs and both passed,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: despite their stories contradicting one another.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Enough for me, what did they ask or know?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I do? I do know the questions that she passed.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you first of all, she failed some of
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the questions, and she passed some of the questions. The
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: ones that she passed, though, were the ones that were
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the most important because they go to the heart of
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: this story that she's now telling. So among the questions
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: she was asked while at james house in twenty sixteen,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: were you free to leave at any time without fear
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: of violence? And did you ask James to brand you?
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: She answered no to both of those questions and she
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: passed them. Also, I don't know, maybe that's a too
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: too much compound in sent Yeah, that's.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying. It matters what they asked.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Were you free to leave at any time without fear
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: of violence? I don't know, I mean maybe that's just
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: too convoluted instead of just asking were you free to leave? Right?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: You know, Like, I think they made the questions too complicated. Also,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I was also thinking that maybe she passed because there's
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: been a long period of time since the kidnapping to
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: when she took this lie detector test.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: And who administered light test? Like who who was it
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: that set it up? Did she just do it on
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: her own?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: She did it through this new interview, this interview that
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: she did, so I don't know because she did it
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: on camera.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: What was the second question you referenced, did you ask.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: James to brand you? Which is very straightforward? She said
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: no and she passed that maybe she didn't ask him,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe she just gave him the branding tools.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I'm saying how they asked her, there should be follow
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: up questions. There may very well have been.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there were other questions that she was asked that
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: she did not pass.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Do polygraph questions are they only? Are they mostly yes?
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: No?
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Questions? Well I don't or like factual like a date
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: or something, or can it be how did you get
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the branding?
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I think you're supposed to make the questions as simplistic
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: as possible with with yes no answers, because what the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: what what it's reading is a physical response. But my
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: thought was this kidnapping happened in twenty sixteen. Here she
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: is in twenty twenty five taking a lie detector test.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Does the passage of time make a difference on a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: physical response? Maybe she's told this story so many times
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: at this point.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: But you know what, even if she's even those questions
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: are accurately answered, it doesn't It doesn't help with anything.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: It's a mess. Was she wasn't she under what her?
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't make any sense. Right, It's still
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: a mess. Right, doesn't solve the case.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any solving it. I think what
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: it comes down to is I think she's a known
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: liar and narcissist and sociopath. I think that she she
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: The fact that they had burner phones and they were
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: communicating she and James, Well, it's.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Anyone that says they're having any emotional fair right there,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: they're lying.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: And the fact that she's returned on Thanksgiving Day, she
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: didn't pick her kids up from daycare that day. I mean,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, it just seems like it
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: was concocted by her. It was her way of having
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: an affair without her husband knowing that she was having
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: an affair. It was an elaborate scheme. I think she
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: lies a lot. I think she's a master at lying.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Her interview, there were several parts of her interview that
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: really bothered me. In this newest interview that she did,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: there was one part where she looks directly at the
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: camera when she's talking to the producer, because the producer
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: says something like why did you lie? And she looks
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: right at the camera and she goes, haven't you lied?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Haven't you lied? Have you ever in your life lied?
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And I remember sitting there looking at her and thinking, yeah,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sure all of us a little bit, like I'll
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: tell Annabel that, you know, we don't have any cookies left.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I remember telling the boys that McDonald's was closed, Like.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: You come home and I say where were you? And
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I was kidnapped. This guy was having
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: the emotional affair with right.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I just I thought, Wow, the nerve of this woman
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: to look directly in the camera at us out here,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: at the audience and say, haven't you ever lied?
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: The answer is yes, she did. That's what she's saying.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly, Well she's saying she lied about the kidnapping.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know, so, you know, of all things, what
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: gets to me is I wake up worried, stressed about
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: my day. Bill's getting paid this net and these people
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: live just one day at a time.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: They live one one kidnapping hopes at a time. Yeah,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: one whe detector test.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: That got, I know, yeah, she got. She probably has
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: way less stress than I do.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Probably. Scherry claims that James passed the lie detector test
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: because he's a sociopath, not her.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not her.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: She's not the sociopath. It's James. He's a sociopath. Keith
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Peppini claims that his daughter Violet and said Sherry would
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: force her children to inhale cotton swabs drenched and rubbing
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: alcohol when they were sick to make them even more sick.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Sherry denies this, claiming she gave her children essential oils
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: when they were sick because they were allergic to vis
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: That was one of the things he said in the documentary.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: If you watch The Perfect Wife, at the very end,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: he talks about how his children said that she would
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: so like cotton balls and alcohol and then tie it
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: around their neck. I don't know if there's any truth
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: to that. I have no idea. It doesn't make any
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: sense that you would tie anything around a child's neck.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I don't care if it's essential oils or if it's alcohol.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: It all seems very odd to me. Sherry's therapist, family lawyer,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: and sister in law whose name is Suzanne, that's Key's
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: biological sister, all believe her story. First of all, when
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: you talk about let me just say this, if you
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: guys watch the four part documentary of her recent interview,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: they do interview her therapist. Her therapist annoys me. He
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: believes everything this woman says.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: He it's a male and you're willing. No, I don't
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: like him. Why did you just call him entertaining?
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: No, I don't like him. I don't like him at all,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: because this is what I think. I think so many
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: people find a therapist that they yes therapist, someone that
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: they can manipulate, that they can just tell all their
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: their side of the story, and then the therapist is like,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: those people are wrong, They shouldn't treat you like that.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: You're right. Do you really get anything out of therapy
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: if you just find someone that just goes along with
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: everything that you're saying and they can't discern between delusion
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and fact and lies. And I don't know, I just
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: didn't like the therapist. I felt that like the therapist
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: just enabled her by saying that, you know, he believes
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: everything she said. And the reason she lies is because
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: she has trauma. And when you have a lot of trauma,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: you just lie about things because you can't really remember
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: what happened anyway, because there was trauma. I don't know.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: In Sheery's HBO docuseries, this is the most recent one,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: her mother, who was supposedly on her side, explicitly said
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the incident was not a kidnapping. Sherry writes this off
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: as her mother being confused, and also the editing twisting
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: things around. I love when people blame the editing. That
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: happens on Housewives too. Everyone for their bad behavior always
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: likes to blame the editing. I like when people like
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: after an episode comes out and everyone's liked, it was me,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: it was that iting. Keith Peppini still retains custody of
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: their two children. Sherry has allowed one supervised visit per month,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: lasting about one hour. She's allowed weekly calls with the
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: children at Keith's discretion. However, Sherry claims she's only seen
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: her children three times since being out of prison. Also,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: there's another thing in her this most recent docuseries, she
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: records herself having a phone call with her children. I
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: guess she gets to talk to them on Sundays. So
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: she sets up the camera and she records herself having
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: a conversation with her kids. She's so dramatic. She she's
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: overly like, oh baby, tell me more. Oh my gosh,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I tell me so much. Yes. Then she hangs up
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: with her children, and then she screams and is like
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: grabbing her head and she's all dramatic, and she's sobbing
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: and sobbing well right that she gets the one weekly
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: phone call with them, And I'm just so I am
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: so turned off by people who set up a phone
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: to record themselves and then record themselves having this over
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the top, dramatic, ridiculous, you know response. And then they
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: give it to the producers and they're like, here, here, here,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: here's what happens here, Please show this. This is what happens.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: You know when I only get a weekly call with
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: my children, you know, I cry and scream and I
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: act dramatic.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I know there's people to do that. It's ridiculous.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: And then there's also another scene where I guess Keith
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: comes over to where she's living and he wants her
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to sign custody of the children over, and she secretly
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: records him. So she has the phone, she like puts
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: it under the bed, she records him, and then they
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: play this audio and I'm thinking, if you're trying to
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: make this guy look bad, I actually agree with him.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: He goes over and he's like, let's just do this
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: the easy way without having to pay attorneys and things
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: like why don't you just sign the kids over to me,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: this is when she's going to prison. She signed a
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: plea deal. She's going to prison, and she records it
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: as if she's catching him, you know, being mean and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: being abusive to her. But let's be honest, she knows
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: that she's recording the conversation, so she's very calm and
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: she says everything correctly, and all it does is catch
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: him saying that that she can do this the easy
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: way or the hard way. She can either sign over
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: custody of the kids or they can fight for custody,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: and she's going to federal prison. So again, I felt
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: like that was a manipulation tactic of her trying to
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: make this guy look bad and controlling and abusive and
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: all these things. But anyway, I just found her behavior
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to be the manipulative behavior. But anyway, all right, are
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: we gonna talk about her more?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Is she like, well, I don't.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. It depends on if she
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: has any she has more docuseries explain in trying to
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: say that she it now was a kidnapping hoax. I
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, who knows. This woman's all over
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the place. I don't trust anything that she says, and
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I do believe the kids are safer with their father.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: At least I feel like they have some stability with him.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: And I do know that she has a current family
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: law case where she is trying to get more custody.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can see what happens with that.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: But she'll get some visitation and then they'll be aged
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: out and then they'll be into that.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Anyway, we did our best to try to fit that
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: story into an hour. It's very complex. There's a lot
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: of other things that happen. I would suggest if you
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: find Cherry Peppini's case interesting, to go back and watch
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: A Perfect Wife on Hulu and then watch her four
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: part recent series it's on Max. So thank you for
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: listening to our Sherry Peppini case.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Sherry Peppinia to get for giving us
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: something to talk about. And you are a nut. Just
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: good luck with your life like it is, Shane.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Thanks guys,