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- 0:00So there are a number of different skill sets that actually count equally
- 0:05or almost equally as AI skill sets.
- 0:07And you need to reward people that are delivering value to the business, and
- 0:11that's what it really comes down to.
- 0:13Employees experience inflation personally, and we acknowledge that.
- 0:19But companies have to price labor competitively.
- 0:24Diana, your team has recently published this new study called US
- 0:29Salary Increase Budgets 2026-2027.
- 0:35Title that just rolls off the tongue, Diana.
- 0:38Yes.
- 0:38Welcome to the show.
- 0:39Thank you for having me.
- 0:41Yeah.
- 0:41So where can our listeners find your new study here?
- 0:46They can find the study online.
- 0:48The headline for this study really is that, Salary Increase Budgets,
- 0:52which is, yes, a very exciting headline and a very exciting title.
- 0:57But they can find it at tcb.org?
- 1:00Tcb.org, absolutely.
- 1:01If you look under Centers, it's the Human Capital Center, and it
- 1:04should be right at the top there.
- 1:05It should be right at the top.
- 1:06And we've been doing this report for 41 years, which is why we keep this title
- 1:11the same because it is a classic title for anybody in compensation in the HR field.
- 1:17And for everybody in finance who are trying to figure out
- 1:20how to plan for the coming year.
- 1:23So 3.5%.
- 1:24Talk about how the study was done.
- 1:25These are hundreds of companies and a lot of input goes into this.
- 1:29It's not just a number that comes out of thin air.
- 1:31No.
- 1:32We've done this for 41 years, like I said.
- 1:34We typically have between 300 and 400 respondents.
- 1:38It's a rather long survey, very detailed.
- 1:41Participation is high every year.
- 1:44Compensation experts and professionals are very eager to participate
- 1:49because they want the data from this.
- 1:51Yeah.
- 1:51It's Really a great study, and we're going to get into some more detail on it.
- 1:55But let's do talk about the top line.
- 1:56So what does 3.5% mean?
- 1:58There's a big range around that, isn't there?
- 2:01There is.
- 2:023.5% means it's pretty stable.
- 2:04It's been 3.5% for a couple years right now.
- 2:08So if you look at 3.5% you might say, "Okay, what does that really mean?"
- 2:14It's pretty consistent.
- 2:16And I think you have to say there's got to be some cost
- 2:19discipline across the organization.
- 2:22But 3.5% doesn't mean that things are static.
- 2:28I think it means that it's a time for differentiation, too,
- 2:32and that's the difference there.
- 2:34It doesn't mean that everything is the same.
- 2:36An interesting point here is that the range in the study to whatever 95th
- 2:41percent confidence level is three to four.
- 2:44So it means that there is some differentiation across different
- 2:48function skill sets people, right?
- 2:50So it's not just everybody peanut butters it at one number.
- 2:54Absolutely.
- 2:55There is a range and also typically when you look at that 3.5%, the
- 3:01merit is actually projected at 3.1%.
- 3:04And then there's this other category, which is about half a percent.
- 3:09But you're right, the average is 3 - 4%.
- 3:11So there is differentiation and it is not a 3% or 4% increase for everybody.
- 3:19In fact, you're going to see a lot of people are going to be
- 3:23thinking very carefully about how do I actually spend those 3-4% of
- 3:29dollars on my employees this year.
- 3:32Yeah.
- 3:32You talk in the study about skill set recognition too, and
- 3:36one of the hottest topics is AI.
- 3:37And we'll talk more about it, but there seems to be some degree of added
- 3:42reward for people who are adept at AI.
- 3:46They're really important skills in a company right now.
- 3:49There is added reward for people with AI skills.
- 3:53And in fact, in our research there was a whole section where we asked
- 3:58specifically where is there a premium paid for additional skills?
- 4:04Where would you pay for additional skill sets?
- 4:07And there's a compensation premium paid for AI skills at 37.8%,
- 4:13and that's what people cited.
- 4:14But I think you shouldn't look at that and say, "Okay, that's exactly
- 4:18what we're going to pay for AI only," because right behind that is
- 4:23a premium paid for leadership skill sets and management skill sets at
- 4:2830.7%, and beyond that, data science.
- 4:32So there are a number of different skill sets that actually count equally
- 4:37or almost equally as AI skill sets.
- 4:39So skill sets are very important, but it's not just AI skill sets that count now.
- 4:44And you're talking in the aggregate anyway.
- 4:46It's different by company, but AI technical skills are rising to the
- 4:49top, which isn't surprising since those are the huge growth areas.
- 4:53Yeah, and I think what companies need to do is they really need to step back as
- 4:58they're looking at their organizations, business leaders need to step back.
- 5:03They need to say, "What is my business strategy?
- 5:06Which capabilities are going to drive growth?
- 5:10Which are going to drive productivity, customer value, innovation, transformation
- 5:17over the next three years, five years?
- 5:19Which individuals are going to bring that, and how am I going
- 5:23to reward those individuals?"
- 5:26So that's really what we're looking at, and if there's skill sets associated
- 5:30with that, yes, reward those skill sets.
- 5:33But it's not particularly AI skill sets.
- 5:36It's do I have AI skill sets that are actually delivering value?
- 5:41It's not the AI skill sets in particular, it's what they're
- 5:44delivering, and that's what we really need to think about rewarding.
- 5:47And it, again, it depends on what industry.
- 5:49If you're in the AI industry, you're rewarding technical skills.
- 5:54Some of these comp packages for those folks are just out of this world.
- 5:58If you're in manufacturing, it could be people who are adept at deploying
- 6:02AI and robotics and so on and so forth.
- 6:04It's a different flavor depending on where you sit.
- 6:08Exactly.
- 6:08As a business leader, you have to keep coming back to where am I
- 6:12delivering value, and who are the people that are delivering value?
- 6:16And you need to reward people that are delivering value to the business, and
- 6:20that's what it really comes down to.
- 6:22Now, one of the key challenges that I think most companies
- 6:26are facing is how do you grow?
- 6:28And we're in a higher inflation-- 3.5% inflation-- era, while at the
- 6:33same time it's almost no growth or sub 1% growth for most people,
- 6:40that aren't in the AI industry.
- 6:42Correct.
- 6:42It's a huge challenge to make that equation work when you're
- 6:47growing your costs and you're not growing your top line.
- 6:52How are HR professionals dealing with that?
- 6:55You mean the inflation versus you have a 3.5% budget?
- 7:00As an HR individual, you really do have to acknowledge that your
- 7:05employees are dealing with inflation.
- 7:08You have to acknowledge that they have that lived experience certainly.
- 7:11Their costs are rising.
- 7:13At the same time you're right, the cost of labor is going up, and that
- 7:17really is the cost of labor, the cost of goods, everything has to be anchored
- 7:22to that from a business perspective.
- 7:24So you really have to just as a business person, you really have to
- 7:28anchor yourself to those expenses.
- 7:30Yeah, and you've been a huge advocate of CHROs and human capital professionals
- 7:36wearing the business hat and partnering with their finance for finance groups.
- 7:41Because you can't do this in a vacuum.
- 7:43So everybody wants to reward your people.
- 7:45You want to match inflation because that's what they're facing.
- 7:48But at the same time, you've got other constituents here, namely
- 7:51your owners or shareholders.
- 7:52You've got to produce the results.
- 7:53So it's a delicate balancing act.
- 7:55It is a balancing act, and I think you just have to remind yourself that, you
- 7:59know, employees experience inflation personally, and we acknowledge that.
- 8:07But companies have to price labor competitively.
- 8:12And this is what we're doing.
- 8:13We're going out and we're saying, "How do companies experience labor competitively?"
- 8:18That's what this research report really does.
- 8:20It anchors it to the competitive environment.
- 8:23And I will also remind everybody that when you say this range is
- 8:273.5% on average, 3-4%, the merit increase is really about merit.
- 8:31It's not about a CPI.
- 8:33It is not a cost of living increase.
- 8:36It is about merit.
- 8:38And organizations really need to think about the merit portion of this,
- 8:423.1% on average, as a merit increase.
- 8:46And it should be distributed from a merit perspective rewarding performance.
- 8:52And then that other category should be distributed to deal
- 8:56with things like promotions.
- 8:58Equity.
- 8:58Equity, other, you know-
- 9:00Yeah.
- 9:00You know, all the…
- 9:00Other adjustments
- 9:02… Need for skills and other things like that.
- 9:04Sure.
- 9:04So it is not cost of living.
- 9:07It's a sad reality, but it's the reality.
- 9:09As a business, you have to deal with the competitive environment.
- 9:13You also pay for promotions, and you want to make sure that-
- 9:16You have to because you have to.
- 9:17You exist in a competitive environment.
- 9:19And you have to think about, how do I retain and engage and acquire the
- 9:25kind of talent that I need to be competitive in this current environment?
- 9:28Which also means that maybe the balancing act is you do need to
- 9:33take action or act differently for those people who are not performing.
- 9:39It's not just a numbers game, but it's a productivity gain.
- 9:42And make sure the organization is as effective as it needs to be.
- 9:45Exactly.
- 9:46Because that is going to be the best for the business going forward and
- 9:50also for your employees who are in the business and are productive and are
- 9:56delivering what they need to deliver, and that's going to be the healthiest
- 9:59for your business going forward.
- 10:00Now, another thing organizations can do and have done in the
- 10:04past is to take head count out.
- 10:06Let's just address it straight on.
- 10:07But we're sitting here at nearly full employment.
- 10:10I don't know if people remember this, but the number that we used
- 10:12to use economically was that 5% was full employment, you could
- 10:16never get better than that.
- 10:17And here we are today near 4%.
- 10:20It means that the labor market is tight despite the inflationary environment, so
- 10:24you want to be careful to retain talent.
- 10:29This is a COVID learning, right?
- 10:30We got rid of a lot of talent, and then we had to go recruit
- 10:32it back at higher prices.
- 10:34And that's fresh in our memory.
- 10:35So that's the other flip side of it.
- 10:38It is.
- 10:38What's really interesting though, we discovered in this report that the
- 10:43findings said that only 31% expect headcount growth and 9% expect reductions.
- 10:51But if you look at that top line, what it really misses is the movement underneath,
- 10:58because companies are restructuring.
- 11:01They're automating, they're upskilling, they're talking about selectively
- 11:05hiring for critical skills, they're talking about reducing work in
- 11:10other areas at the same time.
- 11:12What we're seeing is that even though things may look static and the workforce
- 11:18may look like it's not getting bigger or smaller, it is becoming very different.
- 11:26And so I think there's a lot of movement underneath the surface
- 11:30that may be missed, which is making this a very interesting story.
- 11:35So to your point, you have to be very careful about rewarding the people who
- 11:41are developing the skill sets or have the skill sets that are really adding
- 11:45the value that you need as you make these changes underneath the surface in your
- 11:52workforce that we're seeing and that are indicated by some of the other findings
- 11:57in this particular research report.
- 12:00So yeah, on the surface, it looks really like there's not a lot happening.
- 12:04It looks pretty calm, pretty static.
- 12:07But then you start to dig into some of these numbers and you say, "Wow, there
- 12:12is a little bit of undercurrent that when you dig into it, there's a lot
- 12:17more happening here than meets the eye."
- 12:19A lot of stuff going on.
- 12:20For a while you couldn't pick up a newspaper without reading
- 12:23that AI was going to kill jobs.
- 12:24Everybody was afraid that they were going to be gone.
- 12:27In fact, that isn't happening.
- 12:29There are some AI job displacements but there are a lot of AI job gains.
- 12:34So this underscores your point that even within the narrow slice
- 12:37of the AI subject world, it looks steady, there's dynamic change.
- 12:42Exactly.
- 12:43An organization could start the year and end the year with basically
- 12:47the same headcount, but they could have materially a very different
- 13:00mix of work within their organization, different roles and different
- 13:00capabilities that they need within that organization, which to your point,
- 13:04could be driven by how they're using technology, potentially even AI, to change
- 13:09workflows, to change how work gets done, which in essence is really exciting.
- 13:15I think the message to employees and to managers is as you leverage
- 13:20these technologies as an employee, it should serve you very well
- 13:25if you begin to get fluent with some of these new technologies.
- 13:28Take advantage of what your employer is offering you.
- 13:31Upskill yourself, reskill yourself.
- 13:33Be open to this, because it will open up opportunities for you.
- 13:37Yeah, and it's interesting that you get to the concept of change, and the majority
- 13:41of people will say, "I love change."
- 13:42It's not true.
- 13:44They don't.
- 13:44They do as long as it's somebody else that has to suffer it.
- 13:47Because it's hard.
- 13:47It's stressful.
- 13:48Change is stressful particularly when there's unknown, changes
- 13:51that could impact somebody.
- 13:53But, you and I were there in the era when PCs were dropped into the
- 13:58workplace for the very first time.
- 14:00Before that, it was 100% manual.
- 14:02I was?
- 14:02I was.
- 14:03I don't know about you.
- 14:04Are you revealing my age?
- 14:05I didn't do that, no.
- 14:06But it reminds me of that era when everybody was afraid, "What's going
- 14:10to happen?" And you remember you got these little beige boxes and..
- 14:13I remember when email was, became a thing.
- 14:16Yeah, and
- 14:16We were all like, "What is this email thing?"
- 14:19And you're always afraid of what the latest and greatest either
- 14:22digital evolution or workplace evolution will do to your jobs.
- 14:25But in fact, it has made workforces, people more productive.
- 14:30Just think about automation of assembly lines.
- 14:33People used to sit there and screw in a taillight all day every day, and in
- 14:37fact it's all automated now, freeing people up to do higher order work.
- 14:41So at a certain level, you understand the fear but we all need
- 14:44to kind of take a deep breath on these things and get through it.
- 14:47But it does, it puts some pressure on the human capital organization
- 14:50to help marshal all this.
- 14:52It does.
- 14:52It gives the human capital organization a huge opportunity.
- 14:57But they too need to see it as an opportunity, and they too need to upskill
- 15:02and reskill themselves to be able to drive that change through the organization.
- 15:07I think CHROs have a huge opportunity to really step in and help drive that
- 15:13change through the organizations.
- 15:15And if they partner with CFOs and the CEO, they can really be a very powerful
- 15:23force to help the organization really rethink their whole ways of working.
- 15:30When people talk about the future of work and the opportunity to really
- 15:34change their whole operating model, the way they actually structure themselves,
- 15:38the process of working, the ways of working, CHROs can play a fundamentally
- 15:44enormous role in helping the organization through that and helping them in the
- 15:51managing that change in the organization.
- 15:54The final thing I would say around that is the leadership required to push that
- 16:00kind of change through the organization is huge, and thinking through the kind
- 16:05of leadership that you need and how to develop that kind of leadership, recognize
- 16:10it, and then develop it is huge, which is probably why you see the skill sets that
- 16:16are valued and being rewarded through this, in this compensation report.
- 16:21Yes, 37% goes to AI, but that 30% going to leadership and management skills, that's
- 16:30a recognition that is just as important, and you need to reward those skills,
- 16:34Because those are going to be equally as important as all this change and
- 16:38disruption happens within organizations.
- 16:41And speaking of leadership, one of the things you and I have
- 16:43learned over and over again in our careers is that the communication
- 16:46piece of this is so important.
- 16:48The natural tendency is to keep all this quiet, confidential,
- 16:51don't explain anything, whether you're talking compensation, merit
- 16:54increases, whatever the number is, because, it's a kind of a secret.
- 16:58It's tense.
- 16:59But in fact, these are adults.
- 17:01People understand if you can explain to them the reality.
- 17:04So if you're in a situation where your business isn't doing well
- 17:07and you can't hit the average, or whatever your situation is.
- 17:13You've said over and over again, it's better off just explain it, share with
- 17:16your people what's going on, lay it all out for them, and there will be better
- 17:21acceptance and enrollment in the concept.
- 17:23You are absolutely correct.
- 17:25That is always the case.
- 17:26Authenticity, transparency wins every time.
- 17:31Every leader that approaches a situation like that with authenticity
- 17:36and transparency earns the trust and respect of their employees.
- 17:41And trust is fundamental in any situation, especially situations
- 17:46that are difficult ones.
- 17:48And if you can earn the trust of your employees, then they will then feel
- 17:55the-- I would call it-- the psychological safety to then really believe you.
- 17:59If they feel you're authentic and they can trust you, then they will believe
- 18:03what you say the next time and the next time, and that goes a long way then.
- 18:09Yeah.
- 18:09People probably listening to this going, "What does this have to
- 18:11do with salary increase budgets?" These are emotional kinds of
- 18:14subjects that need some explanation.
- 18:17I think what we're saying is that the leadership needs to start, obviously
- 18:21in the C-Suite, the CHRO, the CFO, but it needs to be cascaded down
- 18:25so that managers can communicate the reasons why, share with their
- 18:30people, and gain acceptance of this.
- 18:33You don't just lay it on them.
- 18:34You have to work it and build that confidence.
- 18:37I think rewards have everything to do with communication and frankly, emotions
- 18:46and honesty and trust, and you have to be absolutely transparent about that as well.
- 18:52And people get very emotional about their compensation, and if you
- 18:55can put the rewards in context and help people understand how it is
- 19:00connected to their performance and that they are really being rewarded,
- 19:05that this is a reward for what their contribution is, and you can demonstrate
- 19:11that and they see that is really happening within their organization.
- 19:16It has to be authentic, though.
- 19:18They have to see that happening within their organization.
- 19:22Then they will see that's connected to the business and their contribution.
- 19:26This is an important point, also on total rewards.
- 19:29So it's not just about salary increase budgets.
- 19:32It's not just about the merit.
- 19:33It's not, as you've said, it's not just what's happening in the external
- 19:38economy and inflation and all that.
- 19:40You've got to put all of this in the context of total rewards.
- 19:43So there's an opportunity here as part of this communication
- 19:46to present the whole package.
- 19:48Okay, this is one slice, which is your base salary, but look
- 19:51at all these other pieces.
- 19:52And the total rewards package is usually 30-35% higher than base and bonus.
- 19:59So you've got all of this going on and should be communicated in context.
- 20:05Exactly.
- 20:06And frankly, nowadays, total rewards should be all-encompassing because many
- 20:12employees, they look to compensation, especially base pay, as sort of the
- 20:18table stakes, and they're looking for a lot more from their organizations.
- 20:22They may look to development as part of their total rewards.
- 20:27Do I have opportunity within this organization?
- 20:30Am I going to be mentored and developed?
- 20:32Do I have a career path here?
- 20:34To them, that's part of total rewards.
- 20:37Things like even flexibility, that's a total reward to them.
- 20:40Sometimes they value that more than certain other things.
- 20:44Their total benefits, 401, that's part of total rewards.
- 20:48So as managers think about communicating that, they have to
- 20:53think about the total package.
- 20:55One of the things that came out in your study is that roughly two-thirds
- 20:58of the organizations just rely on salary-based or job-based salary ranges.
- 21:03And this goes back to the old Hay points or the bands and so forth.
- 21:07But as you look at this today, how should companies be thinking about
- 21:11modernizing their pay structures?
- 21:13Because again, it's not just about what the budget is, it's
- 21:16about the whole construct.
- 21:18Yeah, I think you can't abandon job-based pay because I think jobs
- 21:24still provide that architecture right now for the benchmarking and
- 21:29the governance and the equity, so we can't just walk away from it.
- 21:33Job descriptions definitely need to be updated right now so that they
- 21:37reflect some of the current work.
- 21:39You have to begin to layer in some of the new skills, and that will be happening,
- 21:45especially those skills that really are adding value, that are really contributing
- 21:51to productivity or the skills that are particularly scarce that you need,
- 21:56that you value and you're looking for.
- 21:59And maybe create new roles where those skills are at a premium.
- 22:04You might begin to create sort of hybrid roles, but I think you're still going to
- 22:09have a structure where in practice it's going to end up still being jobs, but it's
- 22:16going to be jobs plus skills supported by, you know, some kind of clear governance.
- 22:23I think you're still going to end up having basically job-based structures.
- 22:28Earlier you were talking about the various pools.
- 22:31You've got salary adjustments, but you were talking about
- 22:34other adjustments, so there's promotions, equity, critical skills.
- 22:38Let's call that a strategic adjustment pool.
- 22:40How do you recommend people put a strategic adjustment pool together
- 22:47and govern that and implement that?
- 22:50It sounds like a small pool when you think about merit being 3.1 out of the three
- 22:56and a half, and maybe a half a percent.
- 22:58I think we call it, 0.5% to 0.7% might be the other on average.
- 23:03But in actuality, it actually can be quite substantial
- 23:06depending on your organization.
- 23:08So most of it really needs to be thought of as a promotion pool because you really,
- 23:13as you said earlier, you really need to think about who are the folks in your
- 23:17organization that need to be promoted.
- 23:20You do need to put governance in place so that it doesn't become who has the
- 23:24manager who has the loudest voice.
- 23:26So you do need…
- 23:27There needs to be a fair process
- 23:28… There needs to be a fair process in place to think through that promotion process.
- 23:33Each organization has to figure out what that looks like depending on what
- 23:37their management structure looks like.
- 23:40Because you don't want it to be just, "Hey, I get to promote my
- 23:43friends because I'm whatever by fiat because I like this person."
- 23:48Or you shout the loudest, yeah.
- 23:49You shout the loudest.
- 23:50Yeah.
- 23:50That's gotta be different than that.
- 23:52Final area that you talked about with executive salaries, that's
- 23:56a whole different conversation.
- 23:57But in this case, it's governed by the board of directors
- 24:00through the compensation or talent committees directly.
- 24:03And bigger part of executive compensation is variable pay, and
- 24:07lower portion is the fixed pay.
- 24:09A lot of boards are, in fact, not giving merit increases or annual adjustments
- 24:13to base salary because they're relying more on the variable comp.
- 24:18Just talk about now in this brave new world that we're in, how should
- 24:22boards be thinking about all that?
- 24:24If you look at annual and, in particular, long-term incentives, which are
- 24:29really where most of the executives' compensation is focused-- AIP, when we
- 24:35looked at the study executives, typically the target was at 40%, CEOs was at
- 24:40100%, sometimes that's a lot higher.
- 24:44We don't see a lot of change in terms of how boards are looking to
- 24:49compensate or the metrics that they're looking by which they compensate.
- 24:53They're typically still very financially focused.
- 24:57If you think about where they're focused on, I think it's 67% are
- 25:04saying their financial metrics.
- 25:06And I think the financial foundation is probably not going to change.
- 25:10I don't think that we want to see anybody rewarding things like the use of AI, or
- 25:17I think you do not want to reward things like pilot volume or adoption alone.
- 25:21I think you need to define measurable value first.
- 25:24If boards need to think about how they apply AI-enabled productivity
- 25:29and workforce transformation, they need to really connect the AI, the
- 25:33executives' incentives, to actual output.
- 25:37But I think 79% said they use financial measures for executive AIP, and I
- 25:42think that's compared with 29% using operational measures and 23% using
- 25:47strategic or non-financial goals.
- 25:49I don't see that changing a lot.
- 25:51Yeah.
- 25:51But the point here is it needs to be a little bit more strategic, and it needs
- 25:54to be more long term and more variable.
- 25:56And I think your point is that's not changing anytime soon.
- 25:59No.
- 26:00If you can reward the value created by transformation and think about
- 26:05what are those values, what would the transformation represent, how do you
- 26:09measure that transformation, as opposed to just activities that were about
- 26:14transformation, then those are the metrics that I think the board should focus on.
- 26:19It shouldn't be about the fact that the transformation activity occurred.
- 26:24Your new report is called the US Salary Increase Budgets, and it's again, at
- 26:29tcb.org under the Human Capital Center.
- 26:32Diana Scott, leader of the US Human Capital Center, thanks
- 26:36for being with us today.