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  Speaker 1: Needs the bold reform it. Tonight John Howard blasts one Nation,
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  Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce hits back. Plus our orches submarine deal threatened.
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  Speaker 1: The reports to the US Congress asks if Australia can
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  Speaker 1: be trusted with the new nuclear submarines America is building
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  Speaker 1: for us, and it names the politicians that have worried
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  Speaker 1: it and quotes their words against this. Also tonight new
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  Speaker 1: technology to design your own IVF baby, but does it
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  Speaker 1: work and should it? Plus, Australia's first Aboriginal leader of
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  Speaker 1: a state or territory quits the Nationals after saying Pauline
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  Speaker 1: Hansen is the only leader who can save the country.
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  Speaker 1: But first, what a terrible day. It seems that politicians
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  Speaker 1: and journalists of the left have already forgotten the bloody
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  Speaker 1: hiss lessons from the Bondou massacre of Jews. Let me
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  Speaker 1: start with the appalling comments today by Andrew Wilke, one
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  Speaker 1: of three Federal Independent MPs today who said that Israel's
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  Speaker 1: President Isaac Hertzog should not be coming here on Sunday
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  Speaker 1: to console the Jewish community.
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  Speaker 2: This is a time to be bringing the country together,
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  Speaker 2: not driving a fault line through the country. Next week
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  Speaker 2: by dividing the country further by allowing such an inflammatory
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  Speaker 2: visit to occur. Just as things are starting to calm
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  Speaker 2: down and settle down, We're going to have this highly inflammatory,
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  Speaker 2: emotive or inappropriate visit next week that's going to stir
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  Speaker 2: up problems and in fact make it less safe for
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  Speaker 2: Australia's Jewish Australian community.
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  Speaker 1: Can Wilki hear himself. He's saying that the president of Israel,
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  Speaker 1: the world's only Jewish state, should not come to Australia
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  Speaker 1: to meet here because some people would get very angry
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  Speaker 1: that it's here and they would cause trouble and that
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  Speaker 1: even put Jews in danger. I got to ask Andrew Wilke,
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  Speaker 1: who exactly are those dangerous and intelligent, intolerant people who
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  Speaker 1: would threaten our Jews and must be seriously ban a
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  Speaker 1: Jewish president from coming to console fellow Jews after a
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  Speaker 1: massacre because we fear an explosion from people like that.
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  Speaker 1: That is the kind of pandering to the hard left
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  Speaker 1: and anti Israel haters which actually helped to create this
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  Speaker 1: lethal Jew hatred in the first place. It made the
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  Speaker 1: haters feel powerful and legitimized, and that was one lesson
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  Speaker 1: from from Bonde. Another was that the vicious slander of Israel,
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  Speaker 1: the exaggerations, the lies by the haters that made this
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  Speaker 1: jew hatred overwhelming, made it hysterical. It we're seeing it
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  Speaker 1: all again with a visit of Isaac Hertzeg, a former
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  Speaker 1: leader of Israel's Labor Party, who's not just the president
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  Speaker 1: of Israel mine is the son of an Israeli president
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  Speaker 1: as well. Fanning this fury with him is the ABC
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  Speaker 1: predictably pumping out attacks on Herzog the ABC Radio National
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast so this morning was almost pleading. It seemed to
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  Speaker 1: me that Hertzhold be arrested when he lands in Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: bantering her guests about it.
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  Speaker 3: Chris Saddodi, a current member of the UN Commission of
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  Speaker 3: Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, says that Israeli President
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  Speaker 3: Isaac Herzog should be arrested by the Federal police for
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  Speaker 3: the crime of incitement to genocide when he arrives on
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  Speaker 3: his visit to Australia next week. Is Australia obliged to
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  Speaker 3: take such action under international law? Why does the Australian
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  Speaker 3: government think that it is not required to arrest or
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  Speaker 3: to arrest President hersol Can community be foregone when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to alleged crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Three guests. You win it like that, and here we
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  Speaker 1: go again. You know, the hard left Palestinian activists have
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  Speaker 1: professional protesters demonizing Hartzong.
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  Speaker 4: We've just met with Palestine activists from all around the
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  Speaker 4: country and decided that we are announcing a nationwide march
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  Speaker 4: and national day of protests against this war criminal on Monday,
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  Speaker 4: the ninth of February, So that Monday evening, thousands of
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  Speaker 4: thousands and thousands of us are going to be gathering
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  Speaker 4: in dozens of cities all around this country to say
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  Speaker 4: this war criminal is not welcome here. If he steps
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  Speaker 4: foot in this country, he should be arrested and investigated
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  Speaker 4: for the war crimes that he is alleged to.
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  Speaker 1: Have carried out. No wonder that we already have a
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  Speaker 1: nineteen year old change for making threats online to kill Hertzog,
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  Speaker 1: the supposed war criminal and agent of genocide. Now against
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  Speaker 1: this abuse, these ludicrous allegations of war crimes, which will
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  Speaker 1: fact check for you in a second. Politicians have said
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  Speaker 1: disgracefully little and that's familiar too, right. This is the
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  Speaker 1: most that Foreign Minister Penny One could tell the ABC
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  Speaker 1: in response to those allegations that Herzog as a war
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  Speaker 1: criminal should be arrested. She didn't say, oh, look, you
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  Speaker 1: are man to suggest that. She said, well, let a
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  Speaker 1: court decide.
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  Speaker 5: I have said previously that Israel will be judged by
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  Speaker 5: the International Court of Justice on its compliance with the
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  Speaker 5: Jena Genocide Convention.
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  Speaker 1: Federal Labour MP ed Hughesi. He was no better in
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  Speaker 1: talking about Herzog's visit to be completely frankened, very uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: with it. Three New South Wales State Labor and Peace
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  Speaker 1: even about to march against President Herzog, including Stephen Lawrence.
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  Speaker 6: He's a ceremonial at a state, but he still occupies
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  Speaker 6: a position of unique responsibility and authority. He deliberately blurred
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  Speaker 6: the distinction between combatant and civilian. Many many people died
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  Speaker 6: after he did that. I think those are parts of
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  Speaker 6: the reasons why he's been bound to have insight a genocide.
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  Speaker 6: Is this really someone that we want in our country?
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  Speaker 1: This is just monstrous. Hertzog, who is actually an official
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  Speaker 1: guest of the Australian government and president of the Israel,
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  Speaker 1: is coming to give comfort to Jews who suffered the
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  Speaker 1: worst Jew hatred and worst Theroist attack in our history,
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  Speaker 1: and now he is monstered and defemed and threatened as well.
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  Speaker 1: So what did the haters actually claim that Hardso did
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  Speaker 1: that makes him a war criminal and a cit of genocide.
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  Speaker 1: Will all agree on one thing, This comment that Hurtso
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  Speaker 1: once made about Gaza after having slaughtered twelve one hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Israelis beheading men, raping women, are murdering children.
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  Speaker 5: It's an entire nation out there that is responsible.
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  Speaker 1: It's not true.
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  Speaker 5: This rctoric about.
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  Speaker 7: Sevilian is not We're not aware, not involved.
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  Speaker 1: It's absolutely not true. Herzog minutes clarified that, saying, no,
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  Speaker 1: of course he didn't mean all Palestinians were guilty and
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  Speaker 1: all were targets. He said, he meant civilians like the
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  Speaker 1: ones who had mass rockets firing at Israelis from their home.
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  Speaker 1: And I've shown you those sorts of things before. And
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  Speaker 1: of course he doesn't want all people in Gaza killed,
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  Speaker 1: and of course Israel hasn't tried to do that. There
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  Speaker 1: is no genocide. That's a lie. And that comment of
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  Speaker 1: his does not make Harzoga war criminal unless you're an
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  Speaker 1: extremist wants to believe it his words were clumsy, true,
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  Speaker 1: but what Hadzeg was referring to and he clarified, let
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  Speaker 1: me repeat, was that the people of Gaza actually voted
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  Speaker 1: to be ruled by Hamas terrorists. They voted for them.
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  Speaker 1: They have not risen against Hamas. And I'll add that
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  Speaker 1: in the very first opinion poll taken by a very
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  Speaker 1: respected Palatinian polling group two months after the October seventh
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  Speaker 1: massacre of those twelve hundred Jews, and astonishing seventy two
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  Speaker 1: percent of Palestinians polled said they approved that horrific attack
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  Speaker 1: that started this war. So who was then that supposed,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a nation's expert demanding hatsoga rest that the
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  Speaker 1: ABC was quoting so eagerly today as you know, the
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  Speaker 1: word of God, his Australian Chris Siddotti, this guy.
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  Speaker 3: So that the Israeli army is one of the most
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  Speaker 3: criminal armies in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well, sodotis Bars can be further judged by the
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  Speaker 1: fact that is on the advisory committee of an anti
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  Speaker 1: Israeli group that has falsely called Israel an apartheid regime,
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  Speaker 1: falsely accused it of genocide, and on top of all
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  Speaker 1: that is damned it as a apartheid, racist, colonialist regime,
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  Speaker 1: all those buzzwords of the left. I wouldn't trust Christidodi's
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  Speaker 1: judgment on Israel for one second. But to the ABC
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  Speaker 1: is a guru. So we are back to where we
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  Speaker 1: were before BONDEI supposedly shocked us to our senses. Israel
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  Speaker 1: demonized again, a Jewish leader slandered and threatened mass protests
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  Speaker 1: planned to stir up the hate. That is shameful, it
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  Speaker 1: is sick, and it is very, very dangerous. Let's not
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  Speaker 1: forget the other recent alleged terrorists attack. I say alleged
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  Speaker 1: because the thirty one year old man has now been
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  Speaker 1: charged with terrorism for allegedly throwing a homemade explosive device
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  Speaker 1: into an Invasion Day rally in Perth last week, and
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  Speaker 1: it's now up to the courts to decide. Now, thank Heavens,
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  Speaker 1: that device did not detonate, and while that rally included
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  Speaker 1: both Aboriginal and non Aboriginal protesters, please saying the man
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  Speaker 1: was motivated by a hateful racist ideology. Now, we don't
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  Speaker 1: know much more about this man and his alleged ideology,
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  Speaker 1: but I have to say another good sign is that
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  Speaker 1: the police at least believe he was acting alone and
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  Speaker 1: had no ties to any group, but we should know this.
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  Speaker 1: The modern push to divide ourselves by race, to identify
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  Speaker 1: by race or ethnic group, is lethally dangerous. And I
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  Speaker 1: wonder when we will see an end to this new
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  Speaker 1: tribalism that turns fellow citizens into enemies. When will we
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  Speaker 1: no longer tolerate race bats. Senator Lydia Thorpe, who identifies
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  Speaker 1: as Aboriginal and pushed this toxic conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 3: We knew this and there was no alerts. It's like
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  Speaker 3: they wanted it to happen.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted it to happen. They had an ASIO warning apparently,
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  Speaker 1: and police did nothing because they wanted it to happen.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how sick they have to be to believe that.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give a quick update now about the coalition mess today,
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  Speaker 1: Only quick because it's now as boring as it is
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  Speaker 1: sad and hopeless. Former Liberal Prime Minister John Howard today
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  Speaker 1: said the Liberals should make concessions to get the Nationals
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  Speaker 1: back into a coalition, but the Nationals are demanded too
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  Speaker 1: much and those talks of peace are all going absolutely
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  Speaker 1: nowhere for now. Howard also abused one nation as a
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  Speaker 1: grievance vehicle, and said his latest recruit, former Liberal Senator
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  Speaker 1: Corey Bernardi, who joined by Nation this week, did so
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  Speaker 1: because he was desperate for recognition, but Howard said he
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't trouble the scorers when he stood for election Come
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  Speaker 1: South Australia's election in March. Join the Mes Thursday regular
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  Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce, Barnaby Joyce, thank you so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: John Howard was unusually sharpened his criticisms. There is that
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  Speaker 1: all One Nation is a grievance vehicle with no solutions. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not.
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  Speaker 8: And I think you would see in the even today,
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  Speaker 8: there's substance to our process. There's substance to our tactics
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  Speaker 8: where finding things out on behalf of the Australian people
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  Speaker 8: today revolved around capacity investment schemes and the secret agreements
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  Speaker 8: that your listeners should know about because they're forking out
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  Speaker 8: the money for it. And I can understand. Look, I
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  Speaker 8: have great respect for John Howard, but I do get
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  Speaker 8: a sense of panic and the sort of the fibrile
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  Speaker 8: discussions that are happening of you know, this is all terrible.
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  Speaker 1: You don't vote for them.
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  Speaker 8: The time's moved on and the form of one nation
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  Speaker 8: that is in the Parliament today is probably different to
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  Speaker 8: the one that mister Howard had to deal with decades ago.
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  Speaker 8: And you know, we have an InCred role on behalf
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  Speaker 8: of the Rawn people. And I think the Australian people
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  Speaker 8: in the indicative polling and that understands indicative, have recognized
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  Speaker 8: that and have put their support in an indicative way
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  Speaker 8: and we intend to respect that and deliver back to
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  Speaker 8: them what is their right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I will get to the question you asked today
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  Speaker 1: in Parliament, but I just want to continue in John Howard.
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  Speaker 1: He also said Cory Bernardi, the former Liberal senator then
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  Speaker 1: became the head of Austraan Conservatives. Before that went nowhere,
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  Speaker 1: he said, Cory Bernardi is going to flop in the
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  Speaker 1: South Australian election. Is standing for one nation for you
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  Speaker 1: at the state election. The states though now are very high,
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  Speaker 1: aren't they, Because if Corey Bernardi does flop, the air
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  Speaker 1: goes out of your balloon and Liberal centater Alexander, who
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  Speaker 1: has been thinking about one nation certainly then won't join you.
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  Speaker 8: Well, let's look, Cory Bernardi is a South Australian standing
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  Speaker 8: for the South Australian Parliament, and I would suggest politely
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  Speaker 8: that he probably has a better understanding of South Australia
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  Speaker 8: than mister Howard in Sydney. The South Australians, I feel,
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  Speaker 8: will take with some umbrance the suggestion from a person
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  Speaker 8: in the citadel of Sydney telling the South Australians who
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  Speaker 8: they should vote for and whom they shouldn't. I will
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  Speaker 8: let the people of South Australia make their decision. I
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  Speaker 8: believe Corey is a business person and he's run a
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  Speaker 8: successful business. The person who's represented our nation in sport
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  Speaker 8: and at the highest level is a very competent person
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  Speaker 8: and would be a great asset in the Parliament in
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  Speaker 8: South Australia in holding what is an ascendant labor government
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  Speaker 8: to account, Miss Mallanoch, Mister Melanauskus obviously is going very well,
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  Speaker 8: but you need a check and balance on that, and
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  Speaker 8: it is a person such as Corey Bernardi who can
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  Speaker 8: deliver that. In fact, I'll go further than that. To
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  Speaker 8: be quite frank, the only person I know now you
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  Speaker 8: mentioned in the potential opposition would be Corbinardi.
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  Speaker 1: That's a test. Look, you've caught me short, because I
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  Speaker 1: have completely forgotten the name of the new Liberal leader.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got me there. By the way, you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: earlier the Capacity Investment Scheme. Now this is a scheme
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  Speaker 1: of course that the Government has to fork out lots
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  Speaker 1: of our money to try to get lots more investment
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  Speaker 1: in green energy. Now, obviously we're very keen to know
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  Speaker 1: how much that is costing us, and you asked that
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  Speaker 1: question in Parliament today.
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  Speaker 8: Can the Treasurer please inform the House of the cost
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  Speaker 8: to the Commonwealth budget on a twenty five twenty six
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  Speaker 8: year of the Commonwealth's capacity collals has the investment schemes
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  Speaker 8: and to assist the Treasurer, I believe that they should
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  Speaker 8: be noted within the quantified Contingent liabilities.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Speaker.
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  Speaker 9: As the Member for New England should know that because
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  Speaker 9: the Capacity Investment Scheme involves the number of negotiations, then
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  Speaker 9: those numbers are not typically published.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is that Jim Charmers, the Treasurer, doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: Australians to know how much it costs told you you know, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's all in confidence, etc. Etc. Is that actually correct?
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  Speaker 8: No, it's not. See what budget papers are Andrew, and
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  Speaker 8: I know you know this they're actually to the disclosure
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  Speaker 8: to the Australian people of how the Australian people's money
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  Speaker 8: is being spent. The whole point of a budget paper,
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  Speaker 8: the whole point of financial reports is to tell you
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  Speaker 8: where your.
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  Speaker 1: Money has been spent.
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  Speaker 8: Now, mister Chalmers, doctor Chalmers of political science, says that
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  Speaker 8: they've been disclosed in the usual way. They were his
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  Speaker 8: words in the answer, No, it's not the usual way.
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  Speaker 8: The usual way is to actually disclose them. But in
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  Speaker 8: the budget papers they're NFP, not for publication, and the
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  Speaker 8: agreements if you are commercial and confidence, and that could
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  Speaker 8: be hundreds of billions of dollars of your listener's money
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  Speaker 8: that is being hidden from you as to who's getting it,
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  Speaker 8: on what terms are getting it, how they negotiated it,
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  Speaker 8: and this money that.
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  Speaker 1: Just walks out the door.
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  Speaker 8: Now the interesting thing, because it sounds outrageous. The interesting
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  Speaker 8: thing is Kate Gallagher thought so as well, and the
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  Speaker 8: Finance Minister in the other place the Senate, when asked
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  Speaker 8: the same question by Senator Hansen, said oh no, we'll
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  Speaker 8: get that for you. And of course now they're in
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  Speaker 8: panic stations trying to backtrack because they know full well
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  Speaker 8: that people will lose their mind when they find out
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  Speaker 8: how much has been paid in this giant swindle called
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  Speaker 8: the capacity investment schemes, which is the subsidization of billionaires
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  Speaker 8: to underwrite them so they get a guaranteed on their
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  Speaker 8: investment even if they don't produce an electron of electricity.
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  Speaker 1: But to be just finally, the fuss about Israeli Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister is ach Herzog coming to Australia on Sunday to
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  Speaker 1: console the Jewish community, you know, calls for him to
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  Speaker 1: be arrested, protests about him allegedly being a war criminel,
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  Speaker 1: which is just rubbish, the ABC promoting these claims against them,
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  Speaker 1: the hate speech against him. It seems to me we
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  Speaker 1: have not learned the lessons of Bondo to tone down
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  Speaker 1: that hate, toned down that rhetoric.
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  Speaker 8: And once more we see them drifting towards anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 8: After the rhetoric is over, the drift back towards anti
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  Speaker 8: Semitism has begun, and you know they will, you know,
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  Speaker 8: find oh will. This is just a particular issue, but
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  Speaker 8: it falls into the category of an attack on Israel.
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  Speaker 8: It falls into the category of giving themselves a license
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  Speaker 8: to have a demonstration where Inevitably, the wider scope of
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  Speaker 8: this hate, the wider scope of this sort of defilement
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  Speaker 8: of the Jewish people, comes into play. I would bet
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  Speaker 8: that if you go to that demonstration, you're going to
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  Speaker 8: find a lot more than just issues regards mister Herzog.
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  Speaker 8: You will find the whole gambit of anti Semitism attacks
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  Speaker 8: on Israel, the whole sort of idea that you know,
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  Speaker 8: we must you know, people's views that they want to
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  Speaker 8: rid the world of the Jewish people.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is, it's a current in which swims
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  Speaker 1: a lot of other people who will use the hatred,
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  Speaker 1: extreme hatred to justify their own doubted anti Semitism. That's
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  Speaker 1: the problem. It creates an environment in which anti Semitism
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  Speaker 1: then blossoms or stinks, whatever you want to say. Bunaby Joyce,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time, absolute pleasure. After
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  Speaker 1: the break orcus Shock, a report to the US Congress
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  Speaker 1: warns that Australia perhaps can't be trusted with the new
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  Speaker 1: nuclear subs we're buying, and it names the two Albaniza
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  Speaker 1: government politicians it says, have made it worry the Albany's
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  Speaker 1: A government could just have talked to America out of
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  Speaker 1: selling us the nuclear powered submarines we badly need, and
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  Speaker 1: the culprits are Defense Minister Richard Marles and Defense Industries
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  Speaker 1: Minister Pat Conroy, both cited in a report to Congress
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  Speaker 1: as reasons to kill the orchest Submarines deal, in which
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  Speaker 1: the US would sell US three to five of its
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Virginia class nuclear submarines. Now, our government tells us all
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  Speaker 1: though the heal it's safe, it's already handed the US
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  Speaker 1: a three billion dollar Australian dollars advance to build these submarines.
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  Speaker 1: For this report by the Congressional Research Service, which is
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  Speaker 1: meant to inform Congress of the arguments or against the
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  Speaker 1: Orchestea when it comes up for a vote, suggests reasons
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  Speaker 1: for America stop lawmakers to stop US getting those subs now. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: it says Australia can't be trusted with them, not when
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  Speaker 1: the US isn't building enough for itself. Now One, we
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  Speaker 1: won't arm these nuclear submarines with the nuclear weapons, making
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: them less effective. But two, and more importantly, the government
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: refuses to say it will help the US in a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: war with China, say over Taiwan, meaning that these submarines
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: are in fact lost to the US just when it
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: will need them most now. The report actually quotes in
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: support this comment by Defense Minister Industries Minister Conroy refusing
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to commit to using those American subs for to help
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the US if it had to defend Taiwan from a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Chinese invasion or blockade as China is threatening. The decision
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to commit Australian trips to a conflict will be made
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: by the Government of the day, not in advance, but
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: by the government of the day. The report also refers
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to a similar comment made by Defensive minutes that Males
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: also refuses to say if Australia would help the US
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: if it was at war with China over Tawan.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: What Australia would do or not do in respect of
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: any future conflict will be a manner to be considered
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: at that time by the Government of the day.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Now. This report to Congress, which can block this deal,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: concludes that selling three to five Virginia class submarines to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Australia would thus convert those submarines from boats that would
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: be available for use in the US China crisis or
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: conflict into boats that might not be available for use
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: in a US China crisis or conflict, and this says
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: could weaken rather than strengthen deterrence and war fighting capability.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: To discuss this and joined by Bolt Report regular General
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Jack Keane, a former Vice Chief of Staff in the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: United States Army and a four star general. General Jack Keane,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: great to see you again. The Congressional Research Server says
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: if America does sell Australia three to five of these
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Virginia class submarines, America could be left weaker because Australia
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: won't promise to use them to help the US in
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: a war with China and also not in a confrontation
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: with Russia, and we won't arm them with nuclear weapons.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: How serious is that objection and how serious is this report?
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: Well, I think it remains to be seen, but certainly
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: the issue really needs to have a spotlight on it,
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: So I think that's welcome here.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: I understood from the outset that the United States motivation
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: and certainly in this was to strengthen the defensive and
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: offensive capability of Australian region as a much needed ally
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: in meeting the challenge of China that's attempting to dominate
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: to control the Pacific region and the pressure they've been
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: putting on allies and partners of the United States in
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: the region, you know, through the years, to intimidation and coercion,
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: with the obvious threat year in and year out of
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: going to war physically to take control over Taiwan or
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: forcing the Taiwanese to capitulate without having a fire a shot.
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: But no doubt in President she's mine. It's fourteen years
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: now that that is his intent. So I support the
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: United States position. I always thought it was a brilliant
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: idea to provide this kind of cape ability to an
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: ally and partner who I think at the time we
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: assume would be willing to contribute to standing up against
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: China and protect the countries in the region against this aggressor.
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: And you know, after all, what we're really trying to
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: do here is prevent a war through deterrens and put
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: out in front of China the military capabilities to demonstrate
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: to them how challenging it would be for them to
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: be able to take physical control of Taiwan using military force,
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: or for that matter, any other country in the region.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: But obviously Taiwan is the target here, So we're trying
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: to prevent a war and to prevent a war. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: think we've learned through history you have to show strength,
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: and that's how we were able to stand up against
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: the Soviet Union. I mean, they outgunned us and outmanned
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: us the United States and our allies, and at the
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: end of the day, we had enough strength there to
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: demonstrate to those generals that if they did come across
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: and east from Eastern Europe into Western Europe, they would
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: pay a dear price and the outcome would not be guaranteed.
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: That's what we're trying to convince China of. So I
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: agree with the supposition that the reason for given in
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: Australia this capability is to shore up the defense of
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: the end of Pacific region and deter China from going
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: to war.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: The US, meanwhile, has sent hundreds of warplanes, thousands of
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: extra troops and an aircraft carrier group to near Iran,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and President Trump is threatening war. You told us the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: last time that you believe that war was coming, I
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: mean penning events. Of course, Iran has now agreed to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: talks with the US tomorrow in Oman to talk about
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: its nuclear weapons program. The US once stopped. What do
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: you think now, will there be a war or will
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: there be a deal. Well, I think.
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: It's likely we're going to conduct military operations, a combined
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: attack by Israel and the United States, once all the
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: defensive resources are in place to protect US spaces as
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: well as Israel, and then once all the offensive capability
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: is in place to really deal with the entire scale
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: of what is taking place inside of Iran. I think
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: that option is decidedly favored my own view of this.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: In terms of making a so called deal with Iran,
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: I think that, and I've said this publicly and privately
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: to key officials in the White House. All that does
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: is extend the life of the regime, and that is
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: not anything we want to do. We do not want
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: to send this regime a lifeline. They are in the
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: weakest position they've been since they took power in nineteen
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: eighty politically, economically, and militarily, the weakest position. A military
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: attack weakens them even further and puts them on a
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: pathway to regime collapse. The United States believes that, and
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: so does Israel believe that, And I think that is
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: the most likely pathway we're on. And as it pertains
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: to I mean, think of this, even if we had
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: the best of all deals. Even if we got Ouran
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: said no in Richmond, because we know later they will cheat.
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: Even if they said limited number of ballistic missiles, they
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: don't even want to talk to us about that. Even
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: if they said, we're not going to support the proxies anymore,
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: even if it was the best deal we could possibly get,
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: why would we extend the life of this regime, which
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: would mean we'd have to remove sanctions and they would
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: start to economically recover. What a gut punch and betrayal
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: that is to the tens of thousands of Iranians who
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: gave up their life, and forty thousand plus are in
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: jail right now, and we know when the spotlight is off,
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: they're going to begin killing them. And we should stand
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: our ground here and recognize the momentum is on our side,
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: and let's finish this once and for all. Can you
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: imagine the strategic possibilities Andrew of taking Iran off the
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: board as the number one destabilizing agent in the Middle
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: East for forty six years. That opportunity is right in
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: front of us, and we should seize it. That's a
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: paradigm shift in the Middle East that would last decades,
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: and the United States would for the first time in
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: many decades, be able to pull some resources out of
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: that area once that threat goes away.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: General Jack Keane, thank you so much for your time.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Great stuff after the break new technology to design your
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: own IVF baby or are Australians playing with danger? You know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: we already do some genetic selection when we want children.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: We pick our partners for a start, you know, people
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: with characteristics that we prefer and would probably like repeated
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: in our children. But now one US company, Nucleus Genomics,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: offers genetic tests to Australians using IVF to draw up
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: what's called pologenic risk scores of embryos to supposedly help
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: predict things like the baby's intelligence or height, or hair color,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: maybe diseases. Here's part of a Nucleus Genomics ad.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: You can explore your future child's health, appearance, and even
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: their well being. And one of my favorite features, you
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: can even name your embryos and leave notes on the
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: ones you like.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: The IVF parents then can pick their preferred embryo for implantation,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and the costs about forty four thousand dollars Australian. I'm
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: joined by Associate Professor Alex Poliakov from Melbourne University, a
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: fertility specialist who has investigated these tests and whether they're
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: also ethical. Professor, thank you so much for your time.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Do they actually work?
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: Well, that's the main question, isn't it. We looked at
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: all the research papers associated with this technology and the
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: benefit of it appears to be extremely marginal. And the
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: main reason is that you have to create embryos from
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: two parents, and all the embryos are very similar, so
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: at least fifty percent similarity between two embryos, and so
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: the range that you have is really very very limited.
• 32:04
  Speaker 10: If you have two tall people, they'll probably have a
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: tall baby or tall adult when the baby grows up,
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: and the opposite is true, and so you don't create
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: embryos with specific characteristics. You just choose from the ones
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: that you have, and majority of couples who go through
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: IVF for other reasons don't have that many embryos to
• 32:26
  Speaker 10: choose from, so you might have three or four embryos
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: and the variation between them is likely to be very
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: very small. But there are other problems with this technology.
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: The polygenic risk scores are calculated based on the risk
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: of disease in women in patients and people who are
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: in their thirties and forties currently and fifties and sixties.
• 32:51
  Speaker 10: And so you can't easily translate these calculations or these
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: algorithms to the embryos because when they are born, when
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: they become children, when they become adults, the environment that
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: they will live in will likely change drammatically, and therefore
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: the interaction between the genes and the environment will be
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: completely different. And so when you make a choice, you
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: might not be getting what you pay for. And it
• 33:18
  Speaker 10: seems that, you know, forty five thousand dollars is quite
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: a bit of money for something that cannot be proven
• 33:25
  Speaker 10: to actually be effective because we have to wait for
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: those babies to be born.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite extraordinary, you know. On the environment thing,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: it's quite true. I mean, you go to some countries
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: that were poor, like China, with Singapore even and it's
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: quite extraordinary how the children are usually taller than their parents.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: And I don't know whether that's a worldwide phenomenon, but
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: in so far, all right, a limited number of embryos
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and a limited choice because say, if it's too tall parents,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: but it's a tall parent and a short parent. I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: presume that you might have some choice. In so far
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: as you do have a choice, is this teste likely
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: to tell you make a difference?
• 34:08
  Speaker 10: Well, not really, because once again, if the baby is
• 34:11
  Speaker 10: born and is raised in a nurturing environment and has
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: good diet and exercises and does all the right things,
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: their height is likely to be higher. If they don't
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: have that nurturing environment around them, it's likely to be lower.
• 34:27
  Speaker 10: Someone had a look at this particular question about the height,
• 34:30
  Speaker 10: and they concluded that the high difference between the best
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: embryo or the tallest tambrea and the shortest embreria, so
• 34:37
  Speaker 10: to speak, would only be two or three centimeters. Now
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: does that really make any difference in the long term?
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: Would someone who is taller by two or three centimeters
• 34:46
  Speaker 10: would necessarily have a better life than someone who is
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: a little bit shorter.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder, Look, I don't know, maybe this is a
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: job for you know, a psychologist here. I don't know.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I worry that people who think they're designing their own
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: baby like this, you know, there could be a little
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: control freaky or whatever. They might well end up with
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a very different child, though, as you suggest, maybe not
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: as smart as they at hope, No, maybe not as
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: small as they hope. Would they feel cheated or resentful
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: in this sort of you know, money back guaranteed world
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: or are they different from you know, other parents who
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: have to accept what nature decides for them and learn
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to find the blessing in that.
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: Well, I think that is a very good point. But
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: also there is another point that needs to be made,
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: and that is they provide estimate for various diseases for
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: a number of embryos. So, for example, one embryo could
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: have higher risk of breast cans, another embryo might have
• 35:44
  Speaker 10: higher risk of Alzheimer's disease, and a third embryo would
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: have a higher risk of heart attack. Now, which embryo
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: would you choose? And some couples and some women would
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: have very great difficulty actually deciding which embryo should go in,
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: and that leads to decision paralysis. And there is one
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: paper that I can think of where some couples decided
• 36:05
  Speaker 10: not to transfer at all because they just couldn't make
• 36:08
  Speaker 10: that decision. But furthermore, we think Alzheimer's is a terrible disease,
• 36:13
  Speaker 10: but in ten twenty years time, there could be some
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: sort of a cure. He could have an injection and
• 36:17
  Speaker 10: never have it, and so you have wasted all these
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: money for absolutely nothing.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Oh but gosh, that's a friendly example you give. It
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: sounds almost like a Sophie's choice, Alis Poliakov. And I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: wonder whether you could live with the guilts of saying
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: this or that, particularly if the one you chose didn't
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: turn out, you know, maybe died early. I don't know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Alice Poliakov, what a fascinating scenario you've sketched for us.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. After the break
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the panel in Australia's first Aboriginal or state leader quits
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the National saying Pauline Hanson is the leader we need
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and the hits keep coming for the Nationals. Adam Charles,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the first Aboriginal leader of any state or territory, has
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: quit the Nationals after his ask to explain why praise
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson instead as the only leader able to help
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: save the country, even told people that donate to her
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: One Nation Party well. Charles is now chief executive of
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Gina Rohnhaus Hancock Agriculture and the s Kidman and Co.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Cattle and clothing business, and he said only Hanson was
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: leading on scrapping that zero and slashing immigration. Boy, that
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: was all the Nationals needed. I mean they're headed for
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the door at this rate. Joining me of Skarne New's
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: host jameson Ferson and Communications can Sultan Chris McSweeney, who
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: has worked for coalition prime ministers and premiers. James, when
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: do you think this one nation bubble will burst? I mean,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: you know, little comebacks are fizzled before. Or is this
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: time different?
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: No?
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: I think this time is different, Andrew. I think the
• 37:59
  Speaker 11: country is different. You've had a terror attack, you've had
• 38:03
  Speaker 11: anti semitism in the streets for the last couple of years.
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: You've got an economy that is struggling, you've got power
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: policy that is really crippling the country. You've got immigration
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: running rampant. I could go on and on, but my
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: point is the conditions are perfect for a Conservative party. Sadly,
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: what was the Conservatives are an absolute mess. So the
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: opportunity for Pauline Hanson now exists as never before. So
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: I think everybody is expecting. Some people are even hoping
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: this will fizzle out. I'm not so sure. I think
• 38:35
  Speaker 11: the country is different. I also think Pauline Hanson is
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: very different thirty years of experience.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: She's not who she was.
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: She's got some good people around her, and, as you
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: pointed out in your introduction, more and more adjoining not
• 38:48
  Speaker 11: just to help her politically, but to help her financially.
• 38:52
  Speaker 11: And the pushback from people like John Howard just sent
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: to Allen, I think suggests that those who keep saying
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: this is nothing but a flash in the pan are
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: worried that this is anything but a flash in the pan.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I think Barnaby Jo is right. John Howard's unusually acerbic
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: comments sounded a little bit panic stricken. Christy, You've seen
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: a fair bit in politics. What do you make of it?
• 39:19
  Speaker 12: Well, we have to just picking up your point there
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: about John Howard. We have to go back to the
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: history of the LNP as it is now and the
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: Liberals and the National Parties led out of Queensland by
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: the late Senator Ron Boswell in conjunction with John Howard
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: to stop the initial tide of one nation in the
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: late nineties, and they ended up winning eleven seats I
• 39:42
  Speaker 12: think in the Queensland Parliament and Labor and the Liberals
• 39:46
  Speaker 12: actually have to preference each other to keep one nation
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: from getting more seats. So there is a precedent in
• 39:55
  Speaker 12: the history. But the rivers of deep descent run very
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: torridly through the heart of people like John Howard when
• 40:06
  Speaker 12: it comes to One Nation based on that history. And
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: you know we did hear from Pauline Hanson today saying, look,
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: she would be prepared to offer a partnership opportunity to
• 40:17
  Speaker 12: the Liberals and the National Parties or a coalition. It
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: might be pretty gracious of her given the history between
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: One Nation and the Liberals. It might be an olive
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: branch that people should take seriously in terms of is
• 40:35
  Speaker 12: there a huge enough vote. I don't think they can
• 40:38
  Speaker 12: win seats in the lower House. If they could, Barnaby
• 40:41
  Speaker 12: Joyce would be sticking his hand up for New England
• 40:44
  Speaker 12: and not the Senate. This is firmly about that twenty
• 40:48
  Speaker 12: percent of vote of right conservative parties and it's about
• 40:52
  Speaker 12: a Senate ticket and National Party. If you want to
• 40:55
  Speaker 12: blow up the coalition agreement, well you can blow up
• 40:58
  Speaker 12: your coalition agreement on the Senate to it as well
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: and fight it for yourself.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Oh there will be in all sorts of trouble. I
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: must say. More is being made of that partnership offer
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: than really exists. He just said she'd guarantee the Liberals
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and Liberals and Nationals supply, which means they can govern,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and she wouldn't vote them out of office. But she said,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I'll stay apart. There can't control me, so you know,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: but all that's pin in the sky at the moment's
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: three years away. We shall see, James. I did hope
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: that Parliament got a lesson because at the end of
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: last year, the Senate voted to ban paul Inhansan from
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: the Senate for seven sitting days after she wore a
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: burker in Parliament to protest that not being allowed to
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: present a bill to ban the burker. Well, well, well, James,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: that attempt to punish her and muzzle her, like so
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: many other attempts to do the same, one attempt to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: in fact jail her again. Backfire have just exploded. And
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: today she returned to the Senate with a grateful bow
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: her Curtsey thanking them. What does this fill you?
• 42:04
  Speaker 11: Well, she's certainly got her swagger on, doesn't she. The
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: burker's gone, but the swagger she is well and truly
• 42:10
  Speaker 11: got it on. She came up with a great line
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: to Andrew, she told the senators you tried to silence me,
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: and then she went for it, just like your trying
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: to silence millions of Australians. That's a great line because
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: immediately she said that she pivoted to mass immigration and
• 42:27
  Speaker 11: of course energy policy and many many Australians feel like
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: we're not being listened to. And then she used another
• 42:34
  Speaker 11: term which I think will resonate with people. She talked
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: about the UNI Party. In other words, there's no discernible
• 42:39
  Speaker 11: difference between labor and liberals. You guys are all the same.
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: You ignore me, just like you ignore average Australians. And
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: I think those images and that sort of language will
• 42:50
  Speaker 11: very much cut through. They will rue the day they
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: kicked her out of the Senate because they just gave
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: her a greater platform.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think for a lot of people it
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, I feel frozen out of the
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: whole political atmosphere. And when they're what they're doing to her,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: they're doing to me. They're silencing meat. Which brings me
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to a point that you touched on. Christy John Howard
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: when he saw off that first one Nation challenge, he
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: did it largely by cracking down an immigration on the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: boats and all that. You know we will decide and
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. He did what we're told,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: what modern liberals say we mustn't do, lurch to the right.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: He did it and valorize the Howard Battler's and he
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: did it. You know it worked. So that isn't that
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the way to go. Don't scream at her, don't scream
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: at her supporters. How about offering better policies.
• 43:44
  Speaker 12: Well that is the nub of the issue which sad
• 43:46
  Speaker 12: Andrew jabs. The Liberal Party needs to offer better policies.
• 43:52
  Speaker 12: And I know that many people don't agree with me.
• 43:55
  Speaker 12: But sixty seventy percent of Australian's vote in the center
• 44:00
  Speaker 12: right now they're voting center left. They don't realize they're
• 44:03
  Speaker 12: voting progressive left. They think they're voting center left. But
• 44:06
  Speaker 12: we need to bring them to vote center right to
• 44:10
  Speaker 12: switch people from labor to liberal, not from national to
• 44:14
  Speaker 12: one nation or from liberal to one nation. There isn't
• 44:18
  Speaker 12: a large enough percentage of the vote to win a
• 44:19
  Speaker 12: pathway to government without switching to the center right. And
• 44:23
  Speaker 12: that means you have to land a viable, understandable, economically
• 44:29
  Speaker 12: viable message on immigration and issues that Australians care about
• 44:34
  Speaker 12: that will land with center right voters because the Labor
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: Party is ignoring it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I don't remember, James. I mean this rot started actually
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: with you know, Malcolm Turnbull, a left wing leader of
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: a supposedly conservative party. It just ended in tears, as
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: they predicted in the column day one, but it continued.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I remember the one time that Scott more Grison deigned
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: to see me as Prime Minister. One time he actually
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: boasted that he would not be fighting the Culture Wars,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: and the Culture Wars destroyed him. I think the liberal
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Scott sick it got actually embarrassed about talking about culture wars,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: frightened about talking about culture wars, and now they've got
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: to learn all over again how to do it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah, they decided not to fight the culture Wars and
• 45:25
  Speaker 11: then lost the culture Wars.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Who would have guessed?
• 45:27
  Speaker 11: Do you remember when Scott Morrison went into Parliament and
• 45:29
  Speaker 11: he held a piece of coal and he taunted the
• 45:33
  Speaker 11: Labor Party saying it's coal, it's not going to hurt you,
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: it'll help.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: You, it's good for you.
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: That Scott Morrison just vanished and we got this other
• 45:40
  Speaker 11: person who looked like Scott Morrison, but you know, was
• 45:45
  Speaker 11: massive government spending, massive government interference in the economy during COVID,
• 45:49
  Speaker 11: stood by while mandates were enforced on people regarding vaccinations.
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: That the high hopes we had for Scott Morrison and
• 45:56
  Speaker 11: the Liberal Party disappeared completely and they have never been
• 46:00
  Speaker 11: the same since. It wasn't just Malcolm Turnbull. Scott Morrison
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: let a lot of people.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Down, Chrissy just amount of time basically, But I did
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: want to ask you part of the problem was that
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: what the Liberals seem to learn from that, we'll get
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: a managerial class and we'll get people who go with
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the flow, labor flow, the predominant flow that hadn't want
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: an argument with the ABC. They're just promising to implement
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: a better like it's been for a while. You know,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: we will go along with the republic, but will design
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: a better one. We'll go along with a voice that
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: will design a better one. All that kind of thing.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Will go along with climate policies, but we won't make
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: it hurt us much. I don't know that that washes anymore.
• 46:43
  Speaker 12: Look again, I returned to the point. People want an
• 46:47
  Speaker 12: economic message that brings people to the center, and they
• 46:50
  Speaker 12: do want the Liberal Party to speak about immigration. They
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: do want the Liberal Party to speak about things that
• 46:55
  Speaker 12: upset them, education doctrines in our schools, for example, and
• 46:59
  Speaker 12: other things of.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: The so called culture wars.
• 47:02
  Speaker 12: But they don't want it ram down their throat in
• 47:05
  Speaker 12: very harsh language.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: No, no, no no.
• 47:07
  Speaker 12: It has to be sent to right language and center
• 47:10
  Speaker 12: right articulation so people can see that we have policies
• 47:13
  Speaker 12: that resonate with them. Labor either goes too far or
• 47:17
  Speaker 12: completely ignores issues that are driving this shift to one nation,
• 47:22
  Speaker 12: and Labor will lose some momentum and some votes as well.
• 47:25
  Speaker 12: They're very worried in the Labor Party that they can't
• 47:27
  Speaker 12: go too far to the right because they're very scared
• 47:31
  Speaker 12: of their left wing pillars. Within the Labor Party. They
• 47:34
  Speaker 12: have their own challenges. It is firmly on the collegition
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: at the moment, but they have their.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Own James the First and Christopher Sweeney, thank you very
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: much to you both. Before I go, I've just been
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: reading books by an honor Australian writer that most people
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: have clean forgotten, a huge bestseller author who actually reminds
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: us of a time when men weren't complet and they
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: took pride in knowing how to make and run things
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: which you couldn't say in Canberra today. Neville Shoot, he
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: was an engineer, helped form a company that built aeroplanes,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: flew his own to Australia and back before settling here
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: for the last three years of his life in lang Warren, Victoria.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: And he wrote some of our most famous best sellers,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: A Town Like Alice, you will know That and on
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the Beach. But I recommend Trustee of the Tour Room,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Trustee of the Tour Room. I finished at three a m.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Last night, but particularly Round the Bend, starring a man
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: who also flew his own planes start his own airline.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: It literally turns engineering into almost a religion. Chris Bono
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: wish would read it, but I gave my own copy
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: to another pilot opposite you, leader Susan Lee, who I
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: found over dinner, also had a very old fashioned and
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: refreshing love of finding out how things actually work. Mechanical
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: things that sit from me, Oh yes always. You can
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: order a book from Robinson's bookshop. Go to my recommendation
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: at the tab on the top left up next Sherry Mason,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: good Night,