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Mac & Bone Show - Owen Watterson Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Man, you were a little distracted on a Friday, weren't you?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like last year he didn't do any.
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  Speaker 4: But it all become we all come back to agreement
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  Speaker 4: on Pete Pritsco here in the next hour.
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  Speaker 1: All right, But obviously this is a day that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be just like yesterday, all about LaMelo coming to
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  Speaker 1: terms with this deal and trying to make some sense
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  Speaker 1: of it. And let's do this. Our next guest vowed
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  Speaker 1: to his followers on Twitter to come on the Mac
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  Speaker 1: and Bone Show and if not outright cheer people up,
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  Speaker 1: at least try to give some perspective bone on this
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  Speaker 1: hornet's trade for LaMelo ball that has Hornets fans very emotional.
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  Speaker 1: And he joins us here on the Mac and Bone Show.
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  Speaker 1: Owen Waterson part of that crew covering the Hornets at
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  Speaker 1: SI and he joins us on the Mac and Bone Show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 2: How you doing?
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  Speaker 3: It's been a long forty eight hours, brothers, I tell
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  Speaker 3: you what.
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  Speaker 1: You've been doing? Good though, man, you've been active. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of the Hornets, you know, media and stuff have
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  Speaker 1: been very active on this.
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  Speaker 2: We'll give you forty two million dollars for this interview
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: What So okay, so do you let's just talk about
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  Speaker 1: your opinion of this. Like, I think we've had an
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  Speaker 1: extra day to try to see. Okay, here's maybe what
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  Speaker 1: the hornets you are thinking? Do you Are you at
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  Speaker 1: the point where you like it for the hornets.
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  Speaker 2: Or is that? Is that too strong of a word
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  Speaker 2: for it.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it's probably too strong of a word,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't. I'm not at the point where I
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  Speaker 3: hate it. I'm actually pretty proud of myself for the
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  Speaker 3: way that I've kept the emotions out of this. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I run a Hornet's a story account at history account
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, so I do care.
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  Speaker 3: But I think when you do this, you have to
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  Speaker 3: do a really good job of trying to do biased
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  Speaker 3: and ultimately, when you when you look at this, the
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  Speaker 3: reason I feel like I can talk people off of
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  Speaker 3: a cliff is you got to look at Okay, so
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  Speaker 3: you got to look get Sam Presty, you got to
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  Speaker 3: look at what they've done over there, and ultimately, this
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  Speaker 3: is a move that Sam Presty would make. Whether you
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  Speaker 3: agree on the cell high, the price doesn't really say
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  Speaker 3: sell high. But I think you have to keep in
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  Speaker 3: mind that we only saw two you know, really healthy
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  Speaker 3: seasons from LaMelo, and I think that really heavily factored
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  Speaker 3: into the offers that they got. I still don't love it.
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  Speaker 3: I love what LaMelo did to this city. I love
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  Speaker 3: to fill with this offense, but it's clear that the
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  Speaker 3: front office didn't feel that way long term, and then
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  Speaker 3: given that that's the case, they did what they could
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  Speaker 3: to go get more picks. They now have the second
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  Speaker 3: most first round picks in the entire NBA, which is
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  Speaker 3: something you have to be excited about. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: think people understand that this decision was not taken lightly.
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  Speaker 3: I mean even at the media event for Hanna Steinbach
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  Speaker 3: and Christian Anderson. I mean you could just look at
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  Speaker 3: Charles Lee and Jeff Peterson and tell that they were
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  Speaker 3: just exhausted by the mental fatigue that making this decision
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  Speaker 3: put on this team. And they made it anyway because
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  Speaker 3: I truly think in four or five years, which is
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  Speaker 3: hard to see right now, that down the line, this
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  Speaker 3: will make more sense. Kimba didn't make sense in the moment,
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  Speaker 3: but we got LaMelo less than two years later.
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  Speaker 4: Zach Loowe had some audio yesterday on this podcast about
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  Speaker 4: the Hornets not trusting Mello to hold up with physical toughness,
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  Speaker 4: say in the postseason, when you're going to be in
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  Speaker 4: a series maybe with the Pistons or the Knicks or whoever.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that was part of this, that they
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  Speaker 4: ultimately just didn't trust Melo when it came to maybe
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  Speaker 4: postseason basketball to handle the physicality that that entails.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that it's quite Di didn't think he
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  Speaker 3: can handle the physicality. I think it's more so I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that they were willing to take the risk
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  Speaker 3: to find out if he could handle the physicality, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean, Because a lot of people were
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  Speaker 3: frustrated about the price. But I think where the Hornets
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  Speaker 3: ultimately landed is I even heard folks saying, you know,
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  Speaker 3: why didn't they wait fifteen to twenty games until the
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  Speaker 3: season to give him a chance to you know, up
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  Speaker 3: his value even more. But all of you know takes,
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  Speaker 3: it would have been five games and LaMelo to you know,
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  Speaker 3: fractures ankle another time, and then they're probably never getting
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  Speaker 3: anything for him again and have to sit on this
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  Speaker 3: contract and dead money at that point for another two years.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's really what they were trying to
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  Speaker 3: avoid in doing this. Now, the trade player exception is
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  Speaker 3: something that everybody's been talking about Jefn brownsman everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: That's gonna happen at all. Frankly, I think your best
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  Speaker 3: option again, I want to go back to Sam Presty.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I've tried to tell everybody. Jalen Brown doesn't
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  Speaker 3: make a lot of sense. Job doesn't make a lot
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  Speaker 3: of sense. They're very lateral moves. You know, you can
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  Speaker 3: always come back to, well, you could have just kept
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  Speaker 3: lamelow if you're talking about those guys. But when you
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  Speaker 3: start thinking like, okay, see, you start thinking about, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: they're probably gonna use this trade exception to go get
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  Speaker 3: a really bad contract. They're probably going to get more
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  Speaker 3: assets for a really bad contract to fill out their
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  Speaker 3: depth play this season. Let con let Brandon get better,
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  Speaker 3: see how Brandon plays going into the last year of
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  Speaker 3: his rookie deal, and see if they decide to extend him.
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  Speaker 3: Of the opinion, they'll let him play out and go
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  Speaker 3: into restricted free agency, but we'll see. I think they're
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  Speaker 3: just really trying to play this smart, play it slow,
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  Speaker 3: and as many times as Jeff Peterson said, gonna be patient,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we've taken him seriously enough when you said.
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  Speaker 1: That you're the and you're the second guest to say that.
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  Speaker 1: James plow Wright said it earlier that he his guests
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  Speaker 1: would be that the exception could be to take in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a bad contract in order to get more
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  Speaker 1: picks back, in order to have you armed when you are.
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  Speaker 2: Ready to make that big move.
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  Speaker 1: It's just hard, Like as a fan, I know you
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  Speaker 1: get this because like you like, you know, you started
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  Speaker 1: doing this right because you're a fan, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: like we and we all did. It's it's hard for
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  Speaker 1: fans though to hear that because we just had this
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  Speaker 1: fun second half of the season. We want them to
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  Speaker 1: try to add to the core, right, we want them
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  Speaker 1: to keep the core together, add to it, and hey,
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  Speaker 1: can we win fifty games? Can we be a top
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  Speaker 1: six seed? But what you're saying, it might turn out
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  Speaker 1: that right now, Like to fans, it's upsetting us because
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  Speaker 1: we want to go, go, go. I mean, we could
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  Speaker 1: look back at this like, do you do you kind
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  Speaker 1: of feel this way? Like we could look back at
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  Speaker 1: this in four or five years and say, my god,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Peterson was a genius. Even if it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: feel that way right now as a fan.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'll give you guys a Charlotte example just
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  Speaker 3: to kind of put it into perspective that so, and
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  Speaker 3: what was the twenty eleven I believe it was, if
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  Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, when they traded Jered Wallace to Portland
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  Speaker 3: for the first time after the extension. He was just
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  Speaker 3: on westn Walker not long ago and said that he
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  Speaker 3: was really blindsided by that trade. I mean that hurt everybody, right, ye,
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  Speaker 3: So to get traded to Portland. The Nets were all
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  Speaker 3: in on the Dwight Howard trade right down Orlando, the
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  Speaker 3: infamous standan Gundy clip and the most awkward press conference
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  Speaker 3: you've ever seen in your life. And the Nets end
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  Speaker 3: up falling through one d White and they ended up
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  Speaker 3: trading for Joe Wallace from from Portland right to get
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  Speaker 3: that contract that they traded for from Charlotte, to pick
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  Speaker 3: that Brooklyn traded to Portland for Gerald Wallace ended up
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  Speaker 3: becoming Damian Lillard. And I know that's, you know, not
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  Speaker 3: a pick that Charlotte ended up making. But these are
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  Speaker 3: the kind of things that you have to think about
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  Speaker 3: when when it comes to long term and I want
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  Speaker 3: people to understand, like, despite somebody told me yesterday, Well,
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  Speaker 3: Nico Harrison made a move like this for Luca, and
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  Speaker 3: you know you're gonna tell me that front offices always
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  Speaker 3: think about their moves. For a guy like Jeff Peterson
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  Speaker 3: this early into his job, you cannot make a decision
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  Speaker 3: like this without understanding the ramifications if you get it wrong.
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  Speaker 3: And to me, as young as he is into his tender,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't make a decision like this unless he was
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  Speaker 3: like a full belief in the long term it was
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  Speaker 3: going to benefit this organization. You gotta give yourself enough
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  Speaker 3: swinging to the pinata.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But you said this too, right,
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  Speaker 1: like a day later you start to kind of understand
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  Speaker 1: maybe what they're thinking, right, Yeah, even if you don't
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  Speaker 1: still love it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, we have some news now that might excite
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  Speaker 4: you guys, some breaking news. We're gonna have owing to
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  Speaker 4: mac react live right now. What happened now? Per not
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  Speaker 4: a hold on now, per sam Amic of the athletic
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Duran plans to explore sign and trade scenarios after
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  Speaker 4: contract negotiations have stalled out with the there's a large
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  Speaker 4: enough gap in value from Durrance camp In Detroit, where
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  Speaker 4: he feels it's now best to move on. Well, there
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  Speaker 4: so a guy that often gets linked to the Hornets
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  Speaker 4: because they didn't get him in the draft.
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  Speaker 2: Well we did well, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: And then of course that would you think, Oh, Piston's
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  Speaker 4: miles bridges are always tied together. There is there something
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  Speaker 4: here Owen where maybe Jalen Durans and named the monitor here.
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  Speaker 3: Now, wow, that's really surprising just in terms of what
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  Speaker 3: they accomplished last year. Wouldn't it just be the funniest
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  Speaker 3: thing in the entire world to watch him in Musa
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  Speaker 3: diabase playing a front court together after what happened last year,
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  Speaker 3: That's a good call.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that angle.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, ultimately, I don't think that's gonna happen,
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  Speaker 3: just because we went from seventy two hours ago. It
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  Speaker 3: feels like being like, what are they going to do
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  Speaker 3: in this front court? They gotta take it big, maybe
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  Speaker 3: two And now we're on the complete opposite side of
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  Speaker 3: the spectrum, and I think their front court is a
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  Speaker 3: little bit crowded right now now that nas Reed is
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be here, Given that that's not one hundred
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  Speaker 3: percent ofpecial yet that's what we're expecting, and I think
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  Speaker 3: it'd be a little bit clunky son Durham. But at
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  Speaker 3: the same time, good player. He's an incredible player that
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  Speaker 3: gives you something that they don't have right now. Level
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  Speaker 3: of physicality that clearly Musa, despite how strong you have
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  Speaker 3: struggled to match up with sometimes. So as much as
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying the front court being overcrowded as something you
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  Speaker 3: have to consider, Duran is also the caliber of player
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  Speaker 3: that you at least have to make that call and
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  Speaker 3: see what they're asking for in terms of a sign
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  Speaker 3: and trade that you.
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  Speaker 2: Have to make you move, you move.
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  Speaker 4: I love Musa, but Duran's an all star big That's
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  Speaker 4: just another level I believe above.
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  Speaker 1: Multiple people think the fight means there's no way could
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  Speaker 1: come here, although the right amount of money, right amount
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  Speaker 1: of money might heal those wounds.
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  Speaker 4: Musa fought Mack before I came in the next days
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  Speaker 4: just because of the money, you're making a million game, okay,
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  Speaker 4: so oh, and like, as you're sitting here, you're making sense, right,
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  Speaker 4: But some fans, you know, a lot of us like
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  Speaker 4: the patient stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, dude, we hadn't been the playoffs in a decade,
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  Speaker 1: like the patients for fans is harder than a new
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  Speaker 1: ownership group, a new front office that just got here right.
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  Speaker 2: But even if it's the right move.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of fans are lashing out back at you,
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  Speaker 1: and the one thing they're saying is, we only got
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  Speaker 1: one actual first round pick. The other three are swaps.
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  Speaker 1: They have a problem with what we got back. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think about the package of what we got back?
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  Speaker 3: The package was the thing that frustrated me the most
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  Speaker 3: at first two. I mean, they're not wrong for being
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  Speaker 3: frustrated about the first round pick, but I think more
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  Speaker 3: than anything, that tells you what Minnesota thought about the
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  Speaker 3: risk they were taking, and you know, getting LaMelo Ball
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  Speaker 3: in return. As excited as they were about it, as
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  Speaker 3: long as they said it was pursued on the reason
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  Speaker 3: that pursued it took as long as it did, seemingly
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  Speaker 3: is because they were in far disagreeance on what's the
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  Speaker 3: valuation on Charlottetan and what Minnesota then was for LaMelo Ball.
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  Speaker 3: And despite the fact that we didn't like it, it
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  Speaker 3: ended up somewhere, you know, less than most of us expected.
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  Speaker 3: But I will wax poetic about LaMelo for a second,
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  Speaker 3: because I think for the fans, you know, we're so
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  Speaker 3: used to seeing somebody like kim but and honoring somebody
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  Speaker 3: like Kimbo despite the fact that he never got to
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  Speaker 3: win a playoff series, and we love the time that
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  Speaker 3: he gave us. But LaMelo had the chance to become
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  Speaker 3: that and that's I think why everybody's so upset, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like for a kid like
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  Speaker 3: LaMelo Ball, who's from California, was the number one recruit
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  Speaker 3: coming out of high school, had had every reason, by
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  Speaker 3: every metric to never stay in this city based on
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  Speaker 3: what Mitch Cupchack god knows told us a bunch of times,
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  Speaker 3: you know that that big stars don't love to be
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  Speaker 3: in this city. LaMelo Ball was sure, sure enough, was
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  Speaker 3: one of those guys loved being here, loved this place.
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  Speaker 3: And from that end, I hate that he didn't get
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  Speaker 3: to see out the end of this train and make
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  Speaker 3: it right and make it whole aty and I think
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  Speaker 3: more than anything, that's why fans are upset. But what
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  Speaker 3: if the end of that journey only ends in another
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  Speaker 3: second round appearance, we don't get to the east that
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  Speaker 3: we're looking at, you know, LaMelo Ball just like another
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  Speaker 3: Baron Davis, a guy who didn't get as far as
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  Speaker 3: we hoped he could. And ultimately, I think this move
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  Speaker 3: is a move that is for the fans more than
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  Speaker 3: it is anything as much because it doesn't make sense,
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  Speaker 3: because I think this front office does not want you
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  Speaker 3: guys to be left in the spot where you're excited
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  Speaker 3: about getting beaten seven games in a semi final series,
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  Speaker 3: because this team and this fan base deserves more. Frankly,
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  Speaker 3: that was well.
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  Speaker 1: I like that, man. I think you I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think you calmed some fans down. I do think
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  Speaker 1: some fans are triggered because they don't want to be patient.
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  Speaker 2: But great stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I got one guy mad at Jeff Peterson for not
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  Speaker 4: taking during the first time. He wouldn't even hear for
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  Speaker 4: during the first time.
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  Speaker 2: You can't hold that again against chef Jeff. You can't
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 1: Handle this all, and I'll handle these people are daring.
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  Speaker 1: Was a hornet for I don't know about thirty two seconds.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how long that one was. Owen Watterson
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  Speaker 1: s I hornets on Si also has his Hornet's history
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  Speaker 1: at Hornet's History on Twitter. Slash actually check that out
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  Speaker 1: too if you love history to hornets and at Owen
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  Speaker 1: Watterson on Twitter, thank you brother, Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Man, Thank you us for having me again. Man anytime,