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U.S. Soccer Leadership Change?!? World Cup Semifinals Previews & Predictions · Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogert and Tab Ramos

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Speaker 1: We went from having a commercial officer pick our coaches
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Speaker 1: to having an operations officer pick our coaches. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure we're making progress there, and i think the way
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Speaker 1: that this was done is not acceptable.
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Speaker 2: What's going on? Everybody? Welcome back to Inside American Zager.
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Speaker 2: I am us MNC insider Tom Berger, and I'm joined
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Speaker 2: by one of the greatest players in US M and
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Speaker 2: C history, my good friend tab Ramos Tap. We are
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Speaker 2: getting to the World Cup semi finals. There's only three
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Speaker 2: real games left. There's technically four with the third place game. Tap.
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Speaker 2: If you ever got to a third place game, is
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Speaker 2: that something that you'd be super interested in playing? I've
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Speaker 2: heard I've heard differing stories from players.
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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, let me let me say there
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Speaker 1: is some sadness to getting to this point. You know,
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Speaker 1: you start getting withdrawals when when you don't when you
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Speaker 1: have a day in which there's no games.
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Speaker 3: I think this World Cup has been great for that.
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Speaker 1: We've had games every day and we could only wish
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Speaker 1: that that was just life every day, but it's not,
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Speaker 1: and we have to move on. You know, the third
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Speaker 1: place game is a funny one because it's it's hard.
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Speaker 1: I think it's just hard to get players to go
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Speaker 1: as hard as they can. You know, at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, you're not really playing for anything. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what's really the difference between coming third and fourth at
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Speaker 1: the World Cup.
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Speaker 3: I've had to live that.
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Speaker 1: I had to live that in Copa America in ninety
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Speaker 1: five when we lost. We lost to Brazil in the
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Speaker 1: semifinal one zero, and then we had to go play
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Speaker 1: the third place game against Columbia, and I know that
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Speaker 1: most guys were mostly worried about where they were going
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Speaker 1: in preseason and not getting injured at that point because
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Speaker 1: you're getting ready to leave.
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Speaker 3: So third place game is a tough one.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody would rather be third than fourth, but
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Speaker 1: I don't know that anyone wants to put their their
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Speaker 1: foot on the line for it.
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Speaker 2: To the sands of times, I think that we just
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Speaker 2: look back and call teams that lost the semi five.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that we denote third verse fourth. I
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Speaker 2: will say with the withdrawals on Saturday, I thought that
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Speaker 2: was an excellent day of soccer, and it was. I
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Speaker 2: think at the beginning of the day, I saw something
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Speaker 2: on social media where somebody pointed out, this is the
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Speaker 2: last time we're gonna have multiple World Cup games in
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Speaker 2: a day until twenty thirty. That hit hard, That hit hard.
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Speaker 1: Tabs, Yeah, that's certainly a long wait. And now we
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Speaker 1: already can't wait for Champions League to get here and
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Speaker 1: all the other competitions to be going on at the
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Speaker 1: same time, because I think the next few weeks are
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Speaker 1: gonna be tough for all the fans.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the players that are still playing will get
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Speaker 2: a well deserved break, but tab it is the summer
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Speaker 2: of soccer. While there'll be a little bit of a low,
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Speaker 2: MLS is coming back this week and before you know it,
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Speaker 2: Champions League proper we'll be back. The top five domestic
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Speaker 2: leagues in Europe will be back. There's already Champion Official
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Speaker 2: Champions League qualifying rounds that began I think last week,
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Speaker 2: So it's never ending. It's a twelve month of the
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Speaker 2: year's cycle. But we're going to continue to talk about
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Speaker 2: it all, starting first with some of the latest usmn
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Speaker 2: T news around the fallout of their exits of the
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Speaker 2: World Cup. We're gonna look at what players could be
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Speaker 2: on the move this summer, as well as some maybe
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Speaker 2: structural changes and some fiery quotes from Jermaine Jones, and
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Speaker 2: then we're gonna break down those semi finals and we're
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Speaker 2: gonna give tabs DraftKings, match predictions. But let's start with
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Speaker 2: the US on the transfer front, tab So at this
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Speaker 2: World Cup, things have really started to heat up over
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Speaker 2: the last week or ten days or so. In the
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Speaker 2: group stage, it was extremely slow for global transfer news,
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Speaker 2: even like around MLS, where they're obviously the pecking order
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Speaker 2: in the transfer window. Usually things happens where the top player,
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Speaker 2: the Elliot Anderson, moves first, because then Nottingham Forest buys
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Speaker 2: a replacement, and then they buy replacements of let's say
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Speaker 2: it's Augsburg, then Augsburg signed Sup. That's just the natural
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Speaker 2: order of things. Things have been generally more slow. I
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Speaker 2: was talking to a sporting director of MLS who said
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Speaker 2: that their head coach was yelling at him about when
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Speaker 2: they reopened camp, why don't we have new signings. It's
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Speaker 2: like there's nobody to be signed right now because all
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Speaker 2: of these other things have to happen first. So all
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Speaker 2: of that being said, things are starting to heat up now.
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Speaker 2: You can see in Europe, you can see it an MLS.
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Speaker 2: And so I want to talk about the US national
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Speaker 2: team players, and we'll start with Christian Polisick, who's gonna
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Speaker 2: get some weller in time off and recover from his injury,
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Speaker 2: and then he'll go back to Dacy Milan. Asmilan is
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Speaker 2: a different place than he left it. Ruben Amerm is
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Speaker 2: taken over as head coach. There's a whole bunch of
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Speaker 2: different changes in the front office. Lats On Ibrahimovitch, at
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Speaker 2: least just doing TV right now, is still there. I
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Speaker 2: think he's still the head of that team. NYCFC called
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Speaker 2: Milan to express that they would be very interested in
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Speaker 2: Christian Poolisick, but it was made clear to them in
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Speaker 2: no uncertain terms, he's not for sale. His contract is
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Speaker 2: up in two years. Tab it's one year plus a
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Speaker 2: team option for another year. I don't have to do
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Speaker 2: any reporting. I'm gonna go out on a limb and
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Speaker 2: say that they're going to trigger that so that helps
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Speaker 2: their negotiating position. They don't need to sell him this summer,
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Speaker 2: but if they wanted to get anything resembling big value,
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Speaker 2: it would have to be this summer, because if he
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Speaker 2: doesn't renew his deal and you sell him next summer,
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Speaker 2: that's going to be a very very cut right deal.
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Speaker 2: So tab, what do you make of of Poolisic's future?
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Speaker 2: And I think one day it'll be an MLS. I
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Speaker 2: think this day is too.
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Speaker 1: Soon, Yeah, you know, And we've also heard the coach
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Speaker 1: emer come out and say that if Polistic will play
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Speaker 1: an important part on his team, he's counting on him,
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Speaker 1: So I yeah, I don't see him move there.
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Speaker 3: I don't see a reason to move at this point.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, as we know, the World Cup didn't work out
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Speaker 1: as well as we thought it would for him, or
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Speaker 1: as well as I would think he thought it would
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Speaker 1: work out for him.
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Speaker 3: And at the end of the days, he's in one
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Speaker 3: of the big clubs of the world.
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Speaker 1: He needs to stay there, he needs to do well,
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Speaker 1: and if he does well, his value will go up again.
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Speaker 1: So I think business as usual in terms of the
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Speaker 1: politic situation, He'll stay at Milan and at some point,
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Speaker 1: of course he'll end up at MLS like all the
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Speaker 1: other Americans.
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Speaker 2: So I think I think it'll be a good change
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Speaker 2: to the way the team is going to play under
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Speaker 2: the new manager versus the old manager. Wouldn't take much
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Speaker 2: of a change to make it more positive last one.
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Speaker 2: But I do think he's gonna fit well in Ruben
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Speaker 2: Amerin's system. So I'm looking forward to the season for him.
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Speaker 2: We'll see how it all shakes out. But in terms
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Speaker 2: of players who are going to move or I think
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Speaker 2: are very likely to move, let's start with Flow Balgan.
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Speaker 2: Balgan is going to leave Monico this summer. There are
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Speaker 2: no contract talks. He's got two years up on his deal.
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Speaker 2: This is the time where you either sign a new
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Speaker 2: deal or you move, and he's gonna move. There's been
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Speaker 2: a lot of interest express and some initial conversations from
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Speaker 2: various Premier League clubs in Bowigan. Sources I talked to
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Speaker 2: assume that a fee will be around fifty million pounds,
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Speaker 2: but Monico aren't putting a price tag on it. They're
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Speaker 2: going to see what the market does. But I think
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Speaker 2: Bowigan to the Premier League, whether it's you know, a
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Speaker 2: mid level club, somebody that's going to be challenging for
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Speaker 2: Europe rather than say, like the top six teams, I
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Speaker 2: think that makes a lot of sense that he could
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Speaker 2: do some damage.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and his value has certainly gone up this World Cup.
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, we've said it here many times,
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Speaker 1: but you know, I really do think that Bwigan. With
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Speaker 1: the World Cup he had, he showed himself to be
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Speaker 1: one of the top six or seven center forwards of
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Speaker 1: this World Cup, and I think that's huge for him.
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Speaker 1: I think this is a great time for him to
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Speaker 1: go back to the to England where he sort of
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Speaker 1: grew up and where he built himself as a player.
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Speaker 1: So he's very familiar with the way of the EPL
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Speaker 1: by having been at Arsenal for a long long time,
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Speaker 1: and I think he's ready for that. What I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: like to see is I wouldn't like to see him
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Speaker 1: get into one of those bottom four or five teams
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Speaker 1: because for a center forward, that's so difficult to get
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Speaker 1: into one of those teams. You just don't create many chances,
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Speaker 1: you never have the ball and at the end of
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Speaker 1: the day you're going to be judging on the goals
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Speaker 1: you scored, and if you get into one of those teams,
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Speaker 1: it's life is really difficult. But I do think that
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Speaker 1: he has a lot of value for one of the
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Speaker 1: top ten teams in the league.
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Speaker 3: As you said, mid tabling up.
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Speaker 1: If he can get to one of those, I think
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Speaker 1: he's huge value for somebody, and I hope that happens.
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Speaker 2: I would love him in a team like Crystal Palace
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Speaker 2: or Fulham or Brentford or something like that, because I
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Speaker 2: think that's a really really good level for him, where
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Speaker 2: he'll it'll be very competitive to get minutes. But like
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Speaker 2: you should be starting on those teams. I think he'd
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Speaker 2: scored a lot of goals in those teams. To your point, Tap,
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Speaker 2: that'd be better than say if if Coventry City or
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Speaker 2: one of the other teams that got promoted kind of
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Speaker 2: make a run at him, or another team that's going
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Speaker 2: to be a kind of relegation threatened. So I'm with
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Speaker 2: you there. And another player that I think this impacts
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Speaker 2: very much is Ricardo peppe Twice over the last six months,
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Speaker 2: Fulham and PSV agreed to terms over transfer for Ricardo
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Speaker 2: Peppey in January. The caveat was PSV we need to
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Speaker 2: be able to sign a replacement, and this was on
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Speaker 2: like January twenty ninth, so it was unlikely. And then
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Speaker 2: that didn't come. He breaks his arm and Fulham still
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Speaker 2: want to make a deal and in March they reach
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Speaker 2: a verbal agreement and everything is all set and then
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Speaker 2: disagreements over. Okay, what happens if he gets hurt in April,
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Speaker 2: when does his transfer go through? Does it go through
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Speaker 2: now or is it an agreement that goes through on
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Speaker 2: July first, God forbid, a serious, serious injury happens, who's
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Speaker 2: on the hook and they couldn't reach an agreement on
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Speaker 2: that in the deal felt part. I haven't made any
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Speaker 2: calls over the last week or so, but as of
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Speaker 2: like two weeks I was told there was no new
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Speaker 2: bids for Peppy from Fulham. There's no new conversations and
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Speaker 2: this was something that once the US get eliminated, will
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Speaker 2: absolutely heat up. I don't know if that's going to
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Speaker 2: be Fulham, maybe Fulham or looking at Balgain. I don't know,
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Speaker 2: but Ricardo Peppee has had more than just Fulham that
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Speaker 2: has wanted him. There have been other Premier leage clubs
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Speaker 2: and other clubs across Europe. I would think that this
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Speaker 2: summer is a time for Peppy to move. But again,
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Speaker 2: if you asked me on even February first, after the window,
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Speaker 2: the Premier League January window closed, I would have thought really,
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Speaker 2: really highly that he was going to be a Fulham
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Speaker 2: player by this time. And we'll see kind of what happens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I think everything that happened with
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Speaker 1: Peppe since January has made sense, you know, because yeah,
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Speaker 1: he couldn't leave PSV until PSV was securing a backup,
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Speaker 1: And yes, he couldn't just go to PSV sort of
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Speaker 1: on loan till the end of the year or you know,
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Speaker 1: because they you know, who would be on the hook
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Speaker 1: for the injury if he were to get hurt. Now,
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Speaker 1: this World Cup hasn't hasn't hurt him, and he hasn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily increased his value with this world I feel, But
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Speaker 1: I don't think this World Cup has hurt on either.
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Speaker 1: I think, if anything, haven't been on the US team
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Speaker 1: that I think proved to be a good team this
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Speaker 1: World Cup. If anything, maybe that helps him a little bit.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know, this summer would certainly
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Speaker 1: be a good time for him to move, but I don't.
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Speaker 1: I also don't think it's the end of the world
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't move and he has another good season
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Speaker 1: at PSV and and he increases his value by getting
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Speaker 1: a lot of minutes this year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and one thing that's true about him, his goal
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Speaker 2: rerec goals to minutes record for PSV has been astonishing,
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Speaker 2: and yes, that's a team that scores a lot of goals,
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Speaker 2: and I might be able to score a goal or
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Speaker 2: two as their's center forward if you gave me enough minutes.
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Speaker 2: Probably not, but that's a team that if you have
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Speaker 2: a good player that's playing center forward, it to finish
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Speaker 2: that Pepiezo score goals. That being said, his goals record
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Speaker 2: is as sounding for that team, so I think he's
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Speaker 2: I know he's ready for a jump, whether it's the
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Speaker 2: Premier League or maybe it's back to Germany. I'd like
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Speaker 2: to see in England. I think you do think you
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Speaker 2: do well there, But obviously, like like all these other things,
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Speaker 2: that depends on the club to fit the manager, the
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Speaker 2: all these other variables. So I'm looking forward to seeing
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Speaker 2: how that one progresses.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I can definitely see you scoring a
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Speaker 1: goal against go ahead Eagles.
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Speaker 2: Seven hundred minutes and I don't have a drink back
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Speaker 2: at all. If the only goal for the team is
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Speaker 2: to get me a goal, I could stand on side
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Speaker 2: and they could hit it off my back. And maybe
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Speaker 2: maybe two more from this current World Cup squad, Matt
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Speaker 2: Turner sources have told me and Paul Scenario that a
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Speaker 2: deal for him to return to the New England Revolution
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Speaker 2: from Leon is all greed, it's all set. It'll be
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Speaker 2: another loan with the purchase option. They had to redo
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Speaker 2: the deal to make sure that he could fit under
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Speaker 2: the cap without being a designated player. I'm told that's
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Speaker 2: all set. So I think we all knew this was
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Speaker 2: going to happen. Leon signed him a year ago or
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Speaker 2: I think thirteen months ago now, when John Texter was
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Speaker 2: still the club president. John Texter did that deal owner
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Speaker 2: to owner, Nottingham Forest, did not tell any of the
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Speaker 2: front office. None of the front office wanted it to happen.
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Speaker 2: I feel bad for Turner on this because he thought
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Speaker 2: he was going to go beat Leon. Starting goalkeeper John
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Speaker 2: Taxter leaves his role because it's always tumultuous around him,
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Speaker 2: and immediately the front office and the club are trying
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Speaker 2: to get lawyers to see if they can get out
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Speaker 2: of the Matt Turner deal. I don't leone never announced
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Speaker 2: that they signed Matt Turner. So I'm very thankful that
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Speaker 2: twelve months ago he was able to get a loan
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Speaker 2: in New England and it was very clear that this
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Speaker 2: was the resolution that needed to happen, but it was
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Speaker 2: just formula like it had to happen. Matt Turner stays
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Speaker 2: in New England. It's technically transferred because it's a new deal,
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Speaker 2: but that one getting pretty straightforward, probably not not too
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Speaker 2: much to get into their tab, but one I'm more
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Speaker 2: interested in Sebastian Buralter. He's got a contract in six
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Speaker 2: months with the Vancouver white Caps. He's eligible for teams
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Speaker 2: abroad outside of MLS to make pre contract offers for
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Speaker 2: him to sign January first. I know that there's some
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Speaker 2: teams in the Championship in England that like him. Vancouver
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Speaker 2: want to keep them. They understand that it might be
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Speaker 2: unlikely to this point, but if he says an MLS,
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Speaker 2: whether it's Vancouver or another MLS team, is value is
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Speaker 2: going to be very very high. So I'm not sure
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Speaker 2: which English teams are interested in him and what those
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Speaker 2: offers will look like. But it's a good time to
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Speaker 2: be said Burrows right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I again, here's the player that I think,
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Speaker 1: if anything, the World Cup has helped him because he
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Speaker 1: showed sort of that that spirit that you would want
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Speaker 1: to have on any team, and I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: the Championship certainly has been known for that, you know,
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Speaker 1: for having players who can you know, at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, fight for ninety minutes, and he can
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Speaker 1: do that, and so you know, I'd be careful if
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Speaker 1: I'm said Burholter in terms of what you know, what
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Speaker 1: my choice is to go overseas, and if it is
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Speaker 1: a championship team again, you know, it would be another
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Speaker 1: player in which I would say, hopefully he goes to
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Speaker 1: a team that's competitive towards the top of the table,
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Speaker 1: because you don't want to get buried into one of
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Speaker 1: those bottom teams.
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Speaker 3: That potentially can drop.
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Speaker 1: And now you find yourself and you know, three or
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Speaker 1: four year contract with a team that that drops into
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Speaker 1: the abyss. That's you know, falling behind, falling under. You
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Speaker 1: know this, let's call it the second division of every league.
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Speaker 3: Right once you fall.
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Speaker 1: From there, it's it's an abyss or try, you know,
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Speaker 1: to try to get out of. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: he's doing great Vancouver and you know, and he he
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Speaker 1: showcases himself every week. So you know, his situation at
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Speaker 1: MLS is such a good situation that I think it's
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Speaker 1: certainly one to think. It's not like some other players
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Speaker 1: where they can just say, hey, you know, I got
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Speaker 1: a chance in Europe. I definitely got to take it,
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Speaker 1: and I got to go because this is going to
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Speaker 1: do X for my future. I think in Berholter's case,
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Speaker 1: you know, he showcases himself so well every week that
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Speaker 1: I think it's a it's not an easy choice.
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Speaker 2: No, And and particularly the way that Vancouver white Caps
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Speaker 2: scene plays like that, it's even like like all of
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Speaker 2: these things have complete context that you need to dive into,
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Speaker 2: like case by case, but particularly for this player in
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Speaker 2: with under this coach, in this system. He was best
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Speaker 2: eleven last year. He's been best eleven so far the
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Speaker 2: first half of this year. I don't know this for sure,
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Speaker 2: but he's somebody that's probably could be in line for
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Speaker 2: like a Max dam contract that's like one point eight
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Speaker 2: million over the year. I think that's more money than
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Speaker 2: he'd make in England. I don't know that for sure.
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Speaker 2: Depends on the offer, It depends on the team's right
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Speaker 2: ta Like there's a lot of teams in the Championships.
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Speaker 2: Some have more money than others, so both in terms
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Speaker 2: of money and like tactics, like would you rather play
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Speaker 2: for Portsmouth or the Vancouver white Caps. It's the Vancouver
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Speaker 2: white Caps, particularly the way they're playing like strip aside.
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Speaker 2: Obviously you'd rather play in England and all that stuff,
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Speaker 2: but the way this team plays showcases his ability and
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Speaker 2: helps him grow in a numerous ways. They signed him
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Speaker 2: on a loan with a fifty thousand GAMF option, fifty
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a fake money fifty thousand of an option.
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Speaker 2: That's that's what he was viewed at, like he was
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Speaker 2: a borderline. Is this going to be an MLS player?
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Speaker 2: Credit to him, This kid is a dog for everything
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Speaker 2: he's done to get to where he is, and credit
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Speaker 2: to Vancouver for helping him get there. So I think
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Speaker 2: it's just a really good relationship. And again it would
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Speaker 2: be it would be hurtful to see him for a
16:09
Speaker 2: different MLS club, But I do know that there are
16:12
Speaker 2: a lot of teams that would pay him some good
16:13
Speaker 2: money in this league to stay. So it's a lot
16:16
Speaker 2: going on there. But again, it's a good time to
16:18
Speaker 2: be said for Alta. Right now, All right, well it's
16:20
Speaker 2: time for a quick break. We'll be right back up next.
16:22
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about Steep Trundlo being named the us
16:24
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16:41
Speaker 2: news that has happened since the team got eliminated. The
16:45
Speaker 2: U twenty three Olympic job it has gone to Steve Tarundlo.
16:48
Speaker 2: Tarundlo is one of the best defenders in US soccer history.
16:52
Speaker 2: He's got his coaching license. He started coaching in the
16:54
Speaker 2: with the German youth national team in that federation. He
16:58
Speaker 2: got his first head coaching job, your head coaching job,
17:01
Speaker 2: with l A FC, and he was very successful over
17:03
Speaker 2: a number of years. Though the critics. The criticisms were
17:06
Speaker 2: his teams were a little bit more pragmatic, a little
17:07
Speaker 2: bit more defensive. He left that LFC job because he
17:11
Speaker 2: said him and his family wanted to go back to Germany.
17:14
Speaker 2: And so it was a big surprise to me that
17:16
Speaker 2: Torontolo was named the Olympic head coach for the cycle.
17:18
Speaker 2: Taw what do you make of it?
17:21
Speaker 1: Well, quite a few things to say here, because first
17:25
Speaker 1: of all, I'll start with this may be the right
17:28
Speaker 1: the right pick right, and that's ultimately that's what matters. Uh.
17:32
Speaker 1: But now this makes me think back about Okay, you
17:36
Speaker 1: know we had J T. Batson on our show, you know,
17:39
Speaker 1: talking about how soccer US Soccer has grown from you know,
17:44
Speaker 1: one hundred employees to four hundred employees.
17:47
Speaker 3: He talked about how great business was.
17:49
Speaker 1: But yet, you know, it makes me wonder they hired
17:53
Speaker 1: Steve Chalondelo to be the Olympic coach. Who else was
17:56
Speaker 1: interviewed for this job? Were there others? I mean, do
17:59
Speaker 1: we know about that? And if we don't, how come
18:02
Speaker 1: there weren't others? Because that's the norm when you hire
18:05
Speaker 1: a coach. There's usually a list of people that you
18:08
Speaker 1: have to interview the other thing. So that's the first
18:11
Speaker 1: one that sort of makes me think, are we back
18:15
Speaker 1: at US soccer twenty years ago? Where like one person
18:18
Speaker 1: just decides, Hey, I like that guy, so he's.
18:21
Speaker 3: Going to be our coach.
18:22
Speaker 1: And then I have to think about who is the
18:25
Speaker 1: person that picked Steve Cherandelo because from reports it sounded
18:29
Speaker 1: like it was Dan Helfridge with the help of gouc Right.
18:34
Speaker 1: So now, I'm sure Dan Helfridge was great at Deloitte
18:39
Speaker 1: for the last twenty seven years. But had I been
18:43
Speaker 1: having played in three World Cups and everything else before
18:46
Speaker 1: as a player, had I not been involved in soccer
18:49
Speaker 1: for the last twenty seven years, and had I come
18:52
Speaker 1: into US Soccer and decided who the next coach is
18:54
Speaker 1: going to be, somebody would say, what are you talking about.
18:57
Speaker 1: You haven't been involved in soccer for twenty seven years, played,
19:00
Speaker 1: you know, when TV was black and white still, And
19:03
Speaker 1: so if someone like myself with all of the experience,
19:07
Speaker 1: would still be questioned had I not been involved in
19:10
Speaker 1: the game, which obviously I.
19:11
Speaker 3: Have, But had I not, I'm wondering.
19:14
Speaker 1: We just brought in a person who, by the way,
19:17
Speaker 1: on his official bio, it says that his focus is
19:22
Speaker 1: strengthening operational excellence at US Soccer. If he gets to
19:27
Speaker 1: decide who the next coach is because he kicked the
19:29
Speaker 1: ball at Georgetown thirty some years.
19:31
Speaker 3: Ago, what are we doing? What are we doing?
19:36
Speaker 1: And by the way, he reports to the CEO and
19:39
Speaker 1: the Secretary General of US Soccer, which both positions happened
19:44
Speaker 1: to be held by JT. Batson, who is a business person.
19:48
Speaker 1: So where's the soccer part here? So we just picked
19:52
Speaker 1: the coach, which by the way, might be a good one,
19:55
Speaker 1: but we picked them number one in wrong sequence, because you,
19:58
Speaker 1: I think need to pick a sporting director or a
20:01
Speaker 1: technical director before who has a vision for how we're
20:04
Speaker 1: going to play in the future. And the Olympic team
20:07
Speaker 1: is connected to the senior national team, which is really
20:10
Speaker 1: important because those players are like a half a step
20:13
Speaker 1: from the senior national team. So we have an operations
20:16
Speaker 1: guys pick our coach. When I was at us Soakka,
20:20
Speaker 1: one of the things I didn't like was that we
20:22
Speaker 1: had the chief commercial officer, Jay Berholtzer select coaches with
20:31
Speaker 1: Ryan Mooney, so we went from having a commercial officer
20:35
Speaker 1: pick our coaches to having an operations officer pick our coaches.
20:41
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we're making progress there, and I think
20:44
Speaker 1: the way that this was done is not acceptable.
20:49
Speaker 2: I think that that's all completely fair critiques and a
20:52
Speaker 2: very very interesting point of view. My only slight pushback
20:55
Speaker 2: is so Dan Helfridge. From my understanding, it was collaborative process.
21:01
Speaker 2: Like you said, there's GOUC and there's people that weren't
21:03
Speaker 2: listed in the pressure release that I know were involved
21:07
Speaker 2: in this, and those of which were soccer people. I
21:11
Speaker 2: do think that Dan Helfrich is good at his job.
21:13
Speaker 2: Time will tell, right, but I've I've had early strong
21:16
Speaker 2: impressions from him, and there's one little thing, and I'm
21:20
Speaker 2: not undercutting anything you say. I think it's all completely fair.
21:23
Speaker 2: One detail that I particularly enjoyed about Dan Helfrich was
21:28
Speaker 2: while he was working at Deloitte, he was still calling
21:32
Speaker 2: Georgetown soccer games like a radio TV like for George
21:35
Speaker 2: step So this is a guy who obviously you're not
21:38
Speaker 2: doing that for money, You're doing that because you love
21:40
Speaker 2: the like He's always still been connected to your point
21:43
Speaker 2: like it is different. It's it's not as if he
21:45
Speaker 2: was running a club. But I think those are little
21:47
Speaker 2: details that are important to me at least, and in
21:51
Speaker 2: this process it was helth Rich, Gui Jat Batson, and
21:55
Speaker 2: a bunch of others. Your point is fair, though in
21:58
Speaker 2: a perfect world, or in not even a perferle one,
22:01
Speaker 2: an ideal world or what should be the standard world
22:05
Speaker 2: is sporting director first, because then the NAT senior national
22:09
Speaker 2: team head coach, if it's Posatino or somebody else, then
22:13
Speaker 2: the Olympic coach because that and that's kind of where
22:16
Speaker 2: I was alluding to with Troundelo's style. I've defended it
22:22
Speaker 2: as somebody who covered MLS, covers MLS every day, every week.
22:27
Speaker 2: From some of my colleagues were very critical and I
22:30
Speaker 2: understood it. I get it right. We all want to
22:31
Speaker 2: see teams that are holding sixty five percent possession or
22:34
Speaker 2: like when Columbus was playing LAFC Wilford Nanci's Columbus crew,
22:37
Speaker 2: that was some of the most beautiful soccer we've seen
22:39
Speaker 2: in MLS versus a more pragmatic hit you in transition
22:43
Speaker 2: defend really well LFC under the Trondlo Well Trundlo won
22:47
Speaker 2: several trophies with this team MLS Cup Supporters, shield Us
22:50
Speaker 2: Open Cup, and he got to another like four finals.
22:54
Speaker 2: So yes, we would love to see the teams playing
22:57
Speaker 2: this expansive, beautiful soccer, but we also want to see
23:00
Speaker 2: teams win, right. So all but all that is to say,
23:04
Speaker 2: what if, And it won't be pulgrin on Madrazzo, but
23:06
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna use him as an example. What if
23:08
Speaker 2: Pulgrinda Matterazzo takes over as a senior national team at
23:11
Speaker 2: coach him in Torontolo play vastly different styles of soccer.
23:15
Speaker 2: Does matter? Does Pelgrinda Manozo say, hey, you need to
23:19
Speaker 2: adapt and and and play the way I'm playing so
23:21
Speaker 2: that there's a synergy tab like you've said in the past,
23:23
Speaker 2: that should be from the senior national team all the
23:25
Speaker 2: way down the youth teams or is it like, Okay,
23:27
Speaker 2: the Olympics is a tournament, you can do you and
23:30
Speaker 2: then those players, hopefully the ones that graduate to the
23:32
Speaker 2: senior national team, then we're going to do a whole
23:34
Speaker 2: new thing. So I'm good with some of the people
23:39
Speaker 2: that are involved here, but I don't, I do agree
23:42
Speaker 2: wrongly with you that that the process maybe isn't ideal.
23:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with what you said.
23:49
Speaker 1: And in particularly, you know when you say that, you
23:52
Speaker 1: know Dan Helfridge, you know, on his own, he you know,
23:55
Speaker 1: he did some of the Georgetown games on the side.
23:59
Speaker 3: And show that well. But yeah, and I think that's great.
24:03
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of fans that have love for
24:05
Speaker 1: the game and they're not making decisions on who our
24:07
Speaker 1: next coaches are going to be. I mean, I you know,
24:09
Speaker 1: I just I can't. I you know, that's great. We
24:13
Speaker 1: have millions of fans since we saw fifty million people
24:15
Speaker 1: watch our national team play, so there's a lot of
24:17
Speaker 1: people that have love for the game that aren't making
24:20
Speaker 1: these kind of decisions.
24:22
Speaker 3: You know.
24:22
Speaker 1: For me, obviously, this is a clear cut situation where
24:27
Speaker 1: we jumped the gun for no reason. And I think
24:30
Speaker 1: you're perfectly correct in saying that if Matterazzo was our
24:34
Speaker 1: next coach, that he would come in and say to
24:36
Speaker 1: Steve Toarndelo, hey I want to.
24:37
Speaker 3: Play this way.
24:38
Speaker 1: You know, I love that you're great defensively, but that's
24:41
Speaker 1: not really what I want. And and by the way, Toarundelo,
24:45
Speaker 1: for me, could have been one of the people considered
24:47
Speaker 1: for the senior national team job.
24:49
Speaker 3: So you know, by no.
24:50
Speaker 1: Means is this uh taking credit away from Steve Charundle
24:54
Speaker 1: and the fact that he probably deserves this job and
24:57
Speaker 1: he potentially could have been the senior national team job.
25:00
Speaker 3: It's the way we're doing things and how we're moving
25:02
Speaker 3: forward that really concerns me. And it is time.
25:06
Speaker 1: I think I'm not the only one because you just
25:08
Speaker 1: mentioned Jermaine Jones saying something that it's time for us
25:12
Speaker 1: to make our concerns heard because we want to move
25:16
Speaker 1: forward in a good direction. We know that any coach
25:18
Speaker 1: can take us to around the sixteen of a World Cup.
25:22
Speaker 1: How do we get further? And do we get further
25:25
Speaker 1: by making the same mistakes that we made before. I
25:27
Speaker 1: think it's time to change.
25:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Speaking of Jermaine Jones, he's very honest and
25:35
Speaker 2: gives his opinions on social media, and he had a
25:38
Speaker 2: very interesting one this week. Jermaine Jones goes quote, we
25:42
Speaker 2: coaches leading our youth national teams who truly understand the game.
25:45
Speaker 2: It can pass on knowledge and quality. We need people
25:47
Speaker 2: in leadership positions because they're best for the job, not
25:50
Speaker 2: because the family members, longtime friends are well connected. Merit
25:53
Speaker 2: and quality have to come first. I've been watching this
25:55
Speaker 2: since we failed to qualify for the World Cup in Russia.
25:58
Speaker 2: Back then we were told things would change and that
26:00
Speaker 2: we get to the next level. But we have it.
26:01
Speaker 2: We're still in the same place. Just look at the
26:03
Speaker 2: progress Canada's made. When I played, they were far behind us.
26:06
Speaker 2: Now they're competing with us and close the gap. It's
26:08
Speaker 2: time for real change. What did you make of Jermaine
26:12
Speaker 2: Jones's opinions, thoughts and announce us of the federation there?
26:19
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I have a really high opinion of
26:21
Speaker 1: Jermaine Jones and who he was as a player, first
26:24
Speaker 1: of all, because I think he's one of the old
26:26
Speaker 1: time greats that US soccer has ever had, and it's
26:29
Speaker 1: hard to find another one. Like Jermaine Jones at the
26:32
Speaker 1: same time, that same tenacity that.
26:34
Speaker 3: He had as a player.
26:36
Speaker 1: He I think he has it as a coach and
26:39
Speaker 1: as a person and I think he you know, he
26:41
Speaker 1: wears he wears his personality on his sleeve and he
26:44
Speaker 1: will tell you how things are. And I think now
26:47
Speaker 1: that he's in Germany, I think he feels like he's
26:49
Speaker 1: not connected to anyone and he can actually say his
26:54
Speaker 1: opinion on what he feels.
26:55
Speaker 3: So I have to respect that.
26:57
Speaker 1: I have to respect what Jermaine has to say, and
27:00
Speaker 1: I have to say that I.
27:01
Speaker 3: Agree with a lot of it.
27:03
Speaker 1: And you know, of course, you know things take time,
27:06
Speaker 1: you know, change takes time. But but uh, there's no
27:10
Speaker 1: question that he he hit a couple of things there
27:14
Speaker 1: that are that are important for us to move into
27:17
Speaker 1: the future.
27:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, he brings up interesting points. I think the one
27:21
Speaker 2: that I'll disagree most with and is mentioning Canada. I
27:24
Speaker 2: just don't think that these situations are anywhere near close,
27:26
Speaker 2: because yeah, Canada's made a ton of progress. This was
27:30
Speaker 2: a team that before the last World Cup, like the
27:32
Speaker 2: standards of even training, they couldn't schedule friendlies because they
27:36
Speaker 2: didn't have the money to travel were to pay teams
27:37
Speaker 2: to come, so they had a whole lot further to go.
27:40
Speaker 2: So yeah, they made a ton of progress and it's
27:42
Speaker 2: awesome to see. I just I just don't think that
27:44
Speaker 2: the United States and Canada I particularly in progress. Because
27:47
Speaker 2: the US are trying to go from somewhere between the
27:51
Speaker 2: eighth and sixteenth best team in the world to somewhere
27:53
Speaker 2: between the eighth and the fourth. That gap is so
27:56
Speaker 2: much more difficult to to get through than And again,
28:00
Speaker 2: I'm not taking anything away Fromkenned I love everything that
28:02
Speaker 2: they've done, but it's different than going for like they've
28:05
Speaker 2: done incredible to get to where they are. They're still
28:07
Speaker 2: behind the US. They've closed the gap, but it was it.
28:11
Speaker 2: That kind of space is a little bit easier, particularly
28:13
Speaker 2: with the forty eight teen World Cup. But I digress
28:15
Speaker 2: on that. I think that this is going to be
28:17
Speaker 2: a top of a conversation that we continue to get
28:18
Speaker 2: into week after week after week. These are the biggest questions,
28:21
Speaker 2: the biggest decisions and topics for the future of the
28:23
Speaker 2: national team, along with the head coach everything else. We're
28:26
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28:28
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28:57
Speaker 2: France first Spain tab what if semi final?
29:00
Speaker 3: We have?
29:01
Speaker 2: What's your look at this one?
29:03
Speaker 3: Wow? This is you know, this is such a great game.
29:07
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is a game that all
29:10
Speaker 1: soccer people have been waiting for. I mean, I you know,
29:13
Speaker 1: I hate to include all anytime I say something like this,
29:16
Speaker 1: but this is the matchup. I mean before the World Cup,
29:19
Speaker 1: when you talked about what teams probably have the best
29:23
Speaker 1: chance to win this World Cup, I think ninety percent
29:26
Speaker 1: of the people would have said Spain in France. And
29:28
Speaker 1: how great would it beat to see those guys going
29:30
Speaker 1: at it, even if it's in an earlier round, although
29:34
Speaker 1: we'd like to see him in the final.
29:36
Speaker 3: This is gonna be a great game. I have to say.
29:38
Speaker 1: You know, Spain has not has not lived up to
29:42
Speaker 1: the expectations that I had of them.
29:45
Speaker 3: They just don't create enough chances. I think, of course
29:48
Speaker 3: they're great at possession.
29:49
Speaker 1: They keep the ball really well, which I think will
29:52
Speaker 1: hurt France because obviously France would would will want to
29:55
Speaker 1: have the ball back. But at the same time, I think,
29:58
Speaker 1: you know, Spain's defend, you know, in an open field
30:01
Speaker 1: against France is big, big trouble for them. You know,
30:06
Speaker 1: France has really been the class of the tournament. They
30:09
Speaker 1: have five or six players up front that any one
30:11
Speaker 1: of them could win a game at any time. Spain
30:15
Speaker 1: knows how to beat France. They beat them in the
30:18
Speaker 1: past Euros. They're obviously the defending European champions. This is
30:23
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough call, but my DraftKings pick will
30:25
Speaker 1: be Spain one France three.
30:28
Speaker 3: I just don't think Spain will be able to hold them.
30:32
Speaker 2: I mean, the way France have looked and by the
30:34
Speaker 2: way Archistina and England we're gonna talk about in the
30:36
Speaker 2: second these four teams being the semi finalists is mouthwatering,
30:40
Speaker 2: I think. So I know that these are the four
30:42
Speaker 2: highest ranked teams in FIFA's ratings, and I think to fans.
30:47
Speaker 2: If you said, going to the tournament, who are the
30:49
Speaker 2: best fourteens, I think this would have been the four
30:51
Speaker 2: This is for There's been some some upsets and some
30:55
Speaker 2: intrigue and a lot of drama at this World Cup.
30:58
Speaker 2: We have the four best teams, I think pretty unequivocally
31:01
Speaker 2: at this stage, and it's something. And the Spain team,
31:04
Speaker 2: he writes that they haven't they've controlled games, but they have,
31:07
Speaker 2: they've They've been a little bit toothless in attack, and
31:11
Speaker 2: that's because Lamina Mal has only shown a few flashes
31:14
Speaker 2: of his very best. I think France are obviously the favorite.
31:19
Speaker 2: They've been playing incredible soccer. If Lamina Mal shows up
31:23
Speaker 2: to like the best of his ability, I think that's
31:25
Speaker 2: where the game could swing or could change, because if
31:28
Speaker 2: he doesn't, I don't think they really have a chance.
31:31
Speaker 2: But if he does, tab I think that that this
31:33
Speaker 2: could be a special moment for the eighteen year old.
31:36
Speaker 3: It definitely could be. We've been waiting for that.
31:39
Speaker 1: You know, if we look at the first round, in
31:41
Speaker 1: the first two games, he didn't do much. In the
31:43
Speaker 1: third game against Uruguay, he was pretty much shut down.
31:47
Speaker 1: I think he had one shot, you know, in the
31:50
Speaker 1: second round. We haven't seen a lot of him. I mean, yeah,
31:52
Speaker 1: he's cut inside a few times and try to, you know,
31:55
Speaker 1: go for that far post. We know, you know what
31:58
Speaker 1: he does a little bit like you know and re
32:00
Speaker 1: used to do, you know, always coming into the right
32:02
Speaker 1: foot and finding the fur posts. But yeah, it has
32:05
Speaker 1: not been enough. He certainly will need to play his
32:08
Speaker 1: best game for Spain to be in this game, and
32:12
Speaker 1: I think he he.
32:14
Speaker 3: Will likely have a tough time in this one. I just, Tom, I.
32:17
Speaker 1: Just you know, this France team can just beat you
32:20
Speaker 1: in so many ways, so so many different guys. I
32:22
Speaker 1: just you know, this might be the best. This France team,
32:26
Speaker 1: I think is the best team we've seen at a
32:28
Speaker 1: World Cup, likely since the twenty ten Spain team. I
32:33
Speaker 1: just I just don't see Spain pulling through on this one.
32:37
Speaker 2: I think I'm with you with with how France are
32:39
Speaker 2: playing right now. But obviously they need to win the
32:40
Speaker 2: World Cup to make sure that that that is true.
32:43
Speaker 2: But they're on a good way. The other semi finals Wednesday,
32:47
Speaker 2: three pm. It is also Endoors. Like the first one,
32:48
Speaker 2: this one's in Atlanta. It's Argentina versus angleing Ledo Messivus
32:53
Speaker 2: Harry Kane, we're on. We're in North America. So that
32:56
Speaker 2: brings back the hand of God, the Diego Maradona goal
32:59
Speaker 2: that was scored in Mexico at a World Cup yere
33:01
Speaker 2: against England. So tap this one with a lot of history.
33:04
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of big, big games between these
33:06
Speaker 2: two countries. England are the slight favorites minus won twenty
33:09
Speaker 2: two according to our friends of DraftKings. What do you
33:11
Speaker 2: make in this one?
33:13
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I'm gonna have to agree with our
33:16
Speaker 1: friends at DraftKings on this one. You know, Argentina, although
33:20
Speaker 1: they obviously have to give them credit, they make it
33:22
Speaker 1: to the semifinals. It seems like every World Cup now,
33:26
Speaker 1: you know they've been in the final. You know they were,
33:29
Speaker 1: they won the last one. They have a great group everybody,
33:32
Speaker 1: you can tell. Everybody's on board playing for Messi and
33:35
Speaker 1: Messi can win a game anytime. However, they have not
33:40
Speaker 1: had any type of smooth sailing in this World Cup.
33:43
Speaker 1: This World Cup has been really difficult for Argentina. As
33:46
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, the last World Cup, I mean
33:49
Speaker 1: the last game, you know, they needed that, you know,
33:52
Speaker 1: the red card to kind of turn the game and
33:55
Speaker 1: you know at a time when Switzerland had already I believe,
33:59
Speaker 1: taken over for that game and was looking to win it.
34:02
Speaker 1: On the other side, England has struggled as well. I
34:06
Speaker 1: don't think they've played their best, and they're still trying
34:08
Speaker 1: to decide if Matdueke is gonna play the right side
34:11
Speaker 1: or is Soka better. I think to me, neither one
34:14
Speaker 1: of them is playing well. I think you're kind of
34:16
Speaker 1: relying on on Bellingham and Harry Kane to come through.
34:21
Speaker 1: I think that's really what you have. Everybody else is
34:24
Speaker 1: sort of a support player. I would have expected more
34:27
Speaker 1: from decland Rice. I haven't seen a lot from him.
34:29
Speaker 1: He got subbed out the last game. I think England
34:33
Speaker 1: will bring the best in this game. I do think
34:36
Speaker 1: that both teams hate each other enough to make this
34:40
Speaker 1: a great game. But in the end, my DraftKings pick
34:44
Speaker 1: is going to be Argentina zero. England won in a
34:48
Speaker 1: game that's gonna be likely over time, maybe penalty kicks.
34:51
Speaker 1: It'll be a hard fall game from beginning ten oh.
34:55
Speaker 2: Sure will and England they've played just a lot, a
34:58
Speaker 2: lot of tight games. They just get past Norway in
35:02
Speaker 2: the last round. Just the family. Argentina just got passed
35:07
Speaker 2: Switzerland and you touched on it a little bit. There's
35:11
Speaker 2: been a new rule this World Cup that via yer
35:13
Speaker 2: can go back for a mistaken identity. We all assumed
35:16
Speaker 2: that that meant if the referee gave a yellow card
35:20
Speaker 2: to the wrong player on the same team, like just
35:22
Speaker 2: got the fraction wrong. It turns out it's more expansive
35:25
Speaker 2: than that toab We saw it. In the opening game
35:27
Speaker 2: for the US against Paraguay, Miguel Maroon was had a
35:31
Speaker 2: challenge with Tim Reim. Tim Ream was initially called for
35:33
Speaker 2: a foul, given a yellow card, and because he was
35:36
Speaker 2: given a yell card, they were able to review it
35:37
Speaker 2: and they decided that Miguel Maroon embellished, so Miguel maroone
35:41
Speaker 2: got a yellow that took it away from Tim Ram.
35:44
Speaker 2: That situation happened for Switzerland Argentina Briel Andmbolo was on
35:49
Speaker 2: a yell card and he went to ground, embellishment, dive,
35:53
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, and Leandro Perdis was
35:56
Speaker 2: given a yellow card. Because he was given a yellow card,
35:59
Speaker 2: they could review it. They determined it was a dive
36:02
Speaker 2: for m below and he was given a second yelm
36:05
Speaker 2: tab for me, if you want to do. If we
36:08
Speaker 2: want to do letter of the law, sure whatever. Right,
36:11
Speaker 2: Like we all agree that we want less diving, less
36:13
Speaker 2: embousing the game, sure whatever. It is absolutely insane to
36:19
Speaker 2: me at a quarter final of a World Cup that,
36:23
Speaker 2: thanks to var becomes a red car defense. I hate
36:28
Speaker 2: that the same way that with when flow Ballion's red
36:32
Speaker 2: card was overturned, I thought his red card was harsh
36:35
Speaker 2: and wrong. On the day, I thought it was a
36:37
Speaker 2: ludicrous that I got overturned by some really dubious FIFA
36:40
Speaker 2: panel stuff in which you weren't you're not allowed to appeal,
36:44
Speaker 2: but somehow the US still had lawyers that pushed things
36:47
Speaker 2: at FIFA. This isn't an official appeal appeal, but you
36:50
Speaker 2: just want you to look at this and then you
36:51
Speaker 2: can determine on your own. I don't know. I think
36:53
Speaker 2: that's all farce, the same way that I think this
36:55
Speaker 2: red card from Bolo is a farce. For me. It's
36:57
Speaker 2: a few things. One what should have happened. The referee
37:03
Speaker 2: sees it looks at Bolo, it just says get up.
37:05
Speaker 2: The ball rolls out of bound. It's an Argentina throw.
37:08
Speaker 2: We never speak of this again. If the referee doesn't
37:11
Speaker 2: give Pretis a yellow card and Switzerland take that free
37:14
Speaker 2: kick and there's no goal. We never ever talk about
37:17
Speaker 2: that play again. And that's why I don't want VR
37:20
Speaker 2: stepping in on things like this, when it's like you're
37:22
Speaker 2: you're creating controversy, you're creating ways to stop the game,
37:27
Speaker 2: to make the game about the officials. And by the way,
37:30
Speaker 2: the official wasn't very good Argentina. And and this this
37:34
Speaker 2: whole conversation is super charged because it's Argentina. I would
37:37
Speaker 2: be saying the same thing if this was, you know,
37:39
Speaker 2: if Peretis was the one who ended up getting a
37:41
Speaker 2: second yellow for a bad of a weird var decision.
37:45
Speaker 2: But in this very game in Bolo was getting kicked
37:48
Speaker 2: like hell. And in that very play, I forget the
37:52
Speaker 2: Argentine defender midfielder laid one on him. He kept the ball,
37:55
Speaker 2: he was stumbling and Prettis was coming over. And by
37:58
Speaker 2: the way, Perettis had about seven foulable offenses. I don't
38:01
Speaker 2: know how many were called or how many were missed,
38:03
Speaker 2: and how many were play ons. But as that's happening,
38:06
Speaker 2: I think im Bolo just is feeling contact comings he's
38:09
Speaker 2: a little bit off balanced and he throws himself to
38:11
Speaker 2: the ground like every Argentine, American, Brazilian, English, Spanish, French,
38:18
Speaker 2: just about any player would have done. He did it
38:20
Speaker 2: too theatrically, but the balls rolling out of bounds and
38:22
Speaker 2: he felt contact coming and he went down early. This
38:25
Speaker 2: happens all the time. For that to be a second
38:27
Speaker 2: yellow because of VR is insane to me.
38:30
Speaker 1: Tap Wow, There's so many points here to start with,
38:35
Speaker 1: because you know, I just feel like, first I have
38:39
Speaker 1: to say, I feel like FIFA is making up the
38:41
Speaker 1: rules as we go along here because we're you know,
38:44
Speaker 1: and I can tell you from the commentators booth, trying
38:47
Speaker 1: to figure out what they're reviewing.
38:49
Speaker 3: Is just about impossible because of it. I think. Let
38:53
Speaker 3: me start with a great point that you make in this.
38:56
Speaker 1: I can tell you from obviously from experience, because I
38:59
Speaker 1: was one of those players that constantly got fouled. You
39:03
Speaker 1: do sometimes just raise your legs off the ground because
39:06
Speaker 1: you know contact is coming. If you leave your legs
39:09
Speaker 1: on the ground, you'd likely get a leg broken. So
39:11
Speaker 1: you have to predict that defenders coming at a certain
39:14
Speaker 1: speed and you're gonna get hit at a certain place,
39:17
Speaker 1: and because of that, you move your legs up now
39:21
Speaker 1: and Bolo embellishes a little bit by rolling around when
39:25
Speaker 1: he didn't when he didn't get kicked, and maybe this
39:28
Speaker 1: is where he made the mistake. Now, you know, I
39:32
Speaker 1: come from an era too in which I think the
39:35
Speaker 1: spirit of the game was important, you know, and referees
39:38
Speaker 1: used to sometimes call intention more than anything else. I
39:42
Speaker 1: think there's an intention from the Argentinian player to come
39:46
Speaker 1: in hard. Obviously, I don't think Paradis went into hurt
39:49
Speaker 1: and Bolo by any means. I think it's just a
39:51
Speaker 1: regular hard play and Argentinian's do go in hard at
39:55
Speaker 1: the same time, I think, and Bolo, as you mentioned,
39:58
Speaker 1: had been getting kicked u few times and he's protecting himself,
40:02
Speaker 1: so of course he's gonna jump. And people may say
40:04
Speaker 1: that's a dive, but it's a way of you not
40:07
Speaker 1: getting hurt, so sometimes you have to do that. Now,
40:10
Speaker 1: the referee and the VAR in particular decide, and not
40:14
Speaker 1: the referee actually the var decides, hey, come take a
40:17
Speaker 1: look at this, because this.
40:18
Speaker 2: Is a dive.
40:19
Speaker 1: You give a yellow wrong yellow card, which, by the way,
40:22
Speaker 1: even if Paradas doesn't touch and blow, the referee could
40:26
Speaker 1: have given a yellow card just for the intention. Of
40:30
Speaker 1: Paradas coming in hard, even if he didn't touch them,
40:33
Speaker 1: and there's.
40:33
Speaker 2: Just an infringement. By the way, I can't tell you
40:36
Speaker 2: how many fouls that are follow a ble offenses do
40:38
Speaker 2: you have in that game.
40:39
Speaker 3: That's the reality. I'm still not even sure that's not
40:42
Speaker 3: a yellow card.
40:43
Speaker 1: But if I were to look at just to play
40:45
Speaker 1: without the context, because I always talk about context, if
40:48
Speaker 1: I looked at it without the context, I would say
40:51
Speaker 1: absolutely not a yellow card. Nothing happened here when you
40:54
Speaker 1: take the context of the game and how hard it is.
40:57
Speaker 1: The referee could have could have given that yellow card
40:59
Speaker 1: just because Paradis has been going in hard at a
41:02
Speaker 1: number of different plays, and you know what, the referee
41:04
Speaker 1: might have just said, Okay, you know what, that's enough.
41:06
Speaker 1: Now you're coming in too hard, you coming in with
41:08
Speaker 1: bad timing on these plays, and you're actually gonna hurt somebody.
41:11
Speaker 3: So here's your yellow card.
41:13
Speaker 1: There doesn't have to be contact in the play, so
41:17
Speaker 1: you can go either way. And that's my point. Is
41:21
Speaker 1: it a proper yellow card to and Bolo for diving?
41:25
Speaker 1: I think if I look at the play, I say yes,
41:27
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry you had another yellow card before. You
41:30
Speaker 1: just ruined it for your team, and that's good for
41:33
Speaker 1: the game. You know what, Don't dive anymore. Dives are
41:36
Speaker 1: not good for the game. Just only go down when
41:38
Speaker 1: you get hit or when you're gonna get hit and
41:40
Speaker 1: you're protecting yourself.
41:42
Speaker 3: I think a second yellow card for diving. I think
41:45
Speaker 3: it's great.
41:46
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that this happened in an
41:47
Speaker 1: important game maybe we'll make old players think about not diving, right,
41:52
Speaker 1: And I think that's good. But I think, Tom, this
41:55
Speaker 1: could have gone either way. And as you said, this
41:57
Speaker 1: is a quarter final of the World Cup. Should have
42:00
Speaker 1: been a much better judgment call here than ruin it
42:03
Speaker 1: for Switzerland, a team that had taken over the game
42:06
Speaker 1: and was likely going to win it.
42:10
Speaker 2: And and just first of all, maybe this is gonna
42:13
Speaker 2: be too crude. The death penalty exists. People still kill people,
42:17
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, There weren't like I don't
42:19
Speaker 2: think the dives are ever like embellishment. Maybe maybe die
42:22
Speaker 2: maybe complete phantom touches. But the other the other frustrating
42:26
Speaker 2: part of frustrating part of this is so earlier in
42:30
Speaker 2: the day, Jed Spence gets brought down. Initially, a penalty
42:35
Speaker 2: is given, the referee goes to Var overturns the call.
42:39
Speaker 2: There's no yellow card given to jet Spence, which I
42:41
Speaker 2: want to be very clear, I agree with, but make
42:44
Speaker 2: it make sense. So it's if that's if it's a
42:47
Speaker 2: yellow card to Predis. But but then you go to
42:49
Speaker 2: Var and you have to give a yell card and bolo.
42:52
Speaker 2: If if it's clear and obvious to overturn the Jed
42:55
Speaker 2: Spence penalty, then wouldn't that mean it's a dive and
42:58
Speaker 2: thus a yellow card? But it wasn't There Also earlier
43:01
Speaker 2: in that game, England's opening goal. I don't I really
43:05
Speaker 2: don't give a crap what FIFA says about the sensors
43:08
Speaker 2: and the ball. I know what my eyes saw, tap
43:10
Speaker 2: the ball. The goal kick hit the spider cam wire
43:13
Speaker 2: and changed the reactory of the ball and it led
43:16
Speaker 2: to a transition moment for England. But FIFA like, well,
43:19
Speaker 2: it the little sensors on the ball didn't pick it up.
43:22
Speaker 2: Watch the video unless there was one hundred mile per
43:26
Speaker 2: hour wind that wasn't picked up by anybody at the stadium.
43:29
Speaker 2: It hit the spider cam right or the wire or
43:31
Speaker 2: whatever right like, and they're like, well, they the Premier
43:34
Speaker 2: League had an issue with this about goal line technology.
43:37
Speaker 2: There was one play it was like covid Era and
43:40
Speaker 2: the keeper caught it and then stepped into the goal,
43:43
Speaker 2: but because his arm was like blocking the post, the
43:46
Speaker 2: goal line technology didn't pick up that he walked into
43:49
Speaker 2: the goal with the ball. We're all watching the replay
43:51
Speaker 2: saying that bowls very clearly over the line, and the
43:53
Speaker 2: refs is just pointing to his watch like, well, it
43:55
Speaker 2: didn't buzz, so it couldn't be. So that's the same
43:57
Speaker 2: thing with the wire thing. There was another few like
44:02
Speaker 2: what I care more about diving, honestly, tab is And
44:04
Speaker 2: this happens ward defenders. If a defender turns his back
44:08
Speaker 2: to an attacker and attackers trying to pressure him, if
44:10
Speaker 2: he stops and puts his butt out and falls, the
44:13
Speaker 2: referee gives a foul ninety nine percent of the time. Why, Like,
44:16
Speaker 2: that's embellishment to me. I think that's worse for the game.
44:19
Speaker 2: There was a moment earlier in the game, let's talk
44:21
Speaker 2: about Perettas. Switzerland are attacking. Pretas went into a fifty
44:25
Speaker 2: to fifty. He feels his knees a little bit ginger,
44:27
Speaker 2: he's he's walking around, and then Switzerland are coming into
44:30
Speaker 2: the attacking third and Perettas puts his hand up, goes
44:33
Speaker 2: down and points his knee. The referee stops the game.
44:36
Speaker 2: He shouldn't have, he didn't have to, and he definitely
44:37
Speaker 2: shouldn't have. And then Pretties gets thirty seconds of treatment
44:41
Speaker 2: and immediately is asking him to come back into the game.
44:44
Speaker 2: Tab Is that not embellishment? Is that not conning the ref? Like,
44:48
Speaker 2: I just think, right in a vacuum, you could say
44:50
Speaker 2: it's a dive whatever. It doesn't matter the content, but
44:52
Speaker 2: like the contact matter is and the way that these
44:54
Speaker 2: games are officiated or inconsistent and there's just no fuel
44:58
Speaker 2: for the game when it comes to br in particular
45:01
Speaker 2: World Up quarterfinal, I just think it's unacceptable.
45:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really don't know what to say, Tom, because you,
45:08
Speaker 1: I mean, think of all the examples you just gave,
45:10
Speaker 1: and I could come up with a bunch of other ones.
45:12
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I you know, I posted
45:16
Speaker 1: something about the Argentina the Egypt goal that was called
45:20
Speaker 1: back because one hundred meters before, you know, an Argentinian
45:24
Speaker 1: player got stepped on, you know. And then and then
45:26
Speaker 1: when I saw the goal England score, and I saw
45:29
Speaker 1: the ball hit the the the wire. You know, I
45:35
Speaker 1: stopped really posting because I'm like, I'm not even sure
45:38
Speaker 1: why I'm posting, because the rule changes every single time
45:41
Speaker 1: for every single game. So if anything, we know that
45:44
Speaker 1: VAR has made the game worse. So if you want
45:48
Speaker 1: to tell me that you want to limit VAR to
45:51
Speaker 1: off sides, for example, because that's a very difficult call
45:54
Speaker 1: for a human to make, I'm on board with that.
45:57
Speaker 1: I'm on board with VAR for both sides. I'm on
46:00
Speaker 1: board with VAR for maybe the ball going out of
46:02
Speaker 1: bounds for a goalkick or a corner. Maybe I'm on
46:07
Speaker 1: board for you know, a dive inside the box. But
46:10
Speaker 1: come on, now, we're using the VAR for like everything.
46:14
Speaker 1: You know, it really has made the game difficult. Now
46:18
Speaker 1: we can't watch it play and actually celebrate a nice
46:21
Speaker 1: play because we have to wait for the VAR to
46:24
Speaker 1: tell us if we should be celebrating a nice play
46:27
Speaker 1: we just saw.
46:28
Speaker 3: It's it's crazy.
46:29
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I hope that after this World
46:31
Speaker 1: Cup they sort of reanalyze that whole thing, because, you know,
46:35
Speaker 1: we're we're allowing for the game to now be run
46:39
Speaker 1: by computers instead of people, and at the end of
46:42
Speaker 1: the game, This was the beautiful part of the beautiful
46:44
Speaker 1: game that it was about. You know, just a ball
46:47
Speaker 1: and two goals and everybody just runs back and forth
46:49
Speaker 1: trying to put the ball in the other goal, you know,
46:51
Speaker 1: and it's it's getting way too complicated.
46:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was That was an intense game, and
46:58
Speaker 2: moments of it were pretty fun. That the Swiss comeback
47:01
Speaker 2: that made it equalize it like that was all and tap,
47:03
Speaker 2: here we are. We just did twelve minutes on a
47:05
Speaker 2: refereeing decision. And I think that that is so indicative
47:07
Speaker 2: of what happens now with VR. VR was it with
47:10
Speaker 2: its intention was to limit these things, to say, we've
47:14
Speaker 2: just lowered the bar of clear and obvious to somewhere
47:17
Speaker 2: that that's just nowhere near those two words. And I
47:20
Speaker 2: wish that we could get towards that, but I just
47:22
Speaker 2: don't trust the powers that be to implement it correctly.
47:25
Speaker 2: So maybe it's less the bar and less the way
47:27
Speaker 2: that we're using it and everything, but I don't know.
47:29
Speaker 2: Hope springs eternal. Maybe one day, but that day is
47:32
Speaker 2: not today. Anyway, that'll do it for our show. I
47:35
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47:37
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