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The Late Debate | 19 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 3: Well, good evening and thanks for joining us on the
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  Speaker 3: Late Debate. James Macpherson with Lucy's Alec and Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 3: coming up tonight. The New Zealand tourism campaign that sounds
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  Speaker 3: more like a clearance sale. We'll show you that a
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  Speaker 3: little later. I'm not sure it's going to work. Plus
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  Speaker 3: when we look at what's making news tomorrow, the asy
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  Speaker 3: O boss warns of foreign state sponsored murder plots here
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  Speaker 3: on Australian soil, journalists, politicians and activists targeted.
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  Speaker 1: By foreign states.
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  Speaker 3: Plus big news on the train strike that has hounded
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  Speaker 3: commuters in Sydney over the last couple of days. We'll
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  Speaker 3: get to all of that shortly. But first here's a
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  Speaker 3: question I've been asking. Are they keeping our young people
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  Speaker 3: safe or are they promoting drug use? That's a good
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  Speaker 3: question to ask of the New South Wales government after
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  Speaker 3: it announced and gave advanced notice that pill testing will
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  Speaker 3: be conducted and trialed at the Woongong Music Festival in
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  Speaker 3: March now, the Health Minister Ryan Park announced that the
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  Speaker 3: government would provide free testing of illicit drugs at the
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  Speaker 3: Yours and Ols Festival on March first. It's the first
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  Speaker 3: time pill testing will be offered in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 3: The government would decide next year whether or not to
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  Speaker 3: make it permanent. Now we've heard the arguments before because
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  Speaker 3: the Victorian government has been through this process. On the
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  Speaker 3: one hand, they argue that young people are going to
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  Speaker 3: take drugs anyway, so we might as well test them
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  Speaker 3: to make sure the dangerous drugs are not completely dangerous
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  Speaker 3: before they take them. On the other hand, if we're
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  Speaker 3: going to say that drugs are illegal, how can we
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  Speaker 3: then say the state will test your illegal drugs to
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  Speaker 3: make sure they're not dangerous before handing you back your
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  Speaker 3: illegal drugs so you can illegally take them. It doesn't
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  Speaker 3: really make sense, does it. What strikes me about this
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  Speaker 3: event in New South Wales is that the New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales state government is effectively advertising, giving advanced notice. If
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  Speaker 3: you go to the Yours and the Owls Music Festival
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  Speaker 3: in Wollongong on March first, there'll be pill testing, which
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  Speaker 3: means police will have been instructed to turn a blind
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  Speaker 3: eye to people with drugs, because how else will trust
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  Speaker 3: be built for the young people to go to the
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  Speaker 3: pill testing center. Now this has been trialed in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: The most recent trial in the last week of December.
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  Speaker 3: They tested six hundred pills, mostly cocaine, MDMA and keeptamine
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  Speaker 3: and they found no highly dangerous substances. So that's at
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  Speaker 3: least six hundred illegal pills that were tested and then
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  Speaker 3: handed back to young people so they could take them
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  Speaker 3: as police turned a blind eye. They said it was
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  Speaker 3: a resounding success, and here was their proof. They said
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  Speaker 3: because forty percent of the young people at the pill
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  Speaker 3: testing center told officials they would probably use less drugs
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  Speaker 3: in the future. Well of course they're going to say that,
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  Speaker 3: aren't they. And that's despite the fact that one person
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  Speaker 3: overdosed on the first day of the pill testing regime.
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  Speaker 3: I think that this is simply advertising to young people.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to take a list.
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  Speaker 3: At drugs at the music festival, I tell you there's
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  Speaker 3: one in Wollongong on March the first. Police will be
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  Speaker 3: going easy because pill testing will be available.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't this encouraging drugs listening?
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  Speaker 4: It's normalizing drug use. Come one, come all, here's the
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  Speaker 4: perfect destination for you to avoid taking dodgy drugs from
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  Speaker 4: your dealer who you just met on the street. Corner
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  Speaker 4: one night and decided, Hey, this is going to be
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  Speaker 4: a perfect score for me. Cheap drugs and I can
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  Speaker 4: get them tested and make sure that I can get
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  Speaker 4: away from this safely. There are so many myths and
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  Speaker 4: so much propaganda when it comes to this. You know
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  Speaker 4: they're arguing effectively that number one. This came from the
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  Speaker 4: Royal Australian College of General Practitioners. They came out a
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  Speaker 4: year ago and said the pill testing could have prevented
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  Speaker 4: sixty four festival deaths. How do we know that for sure?
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  Speaker 4: When not only are the testing curate themselves right, they're
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  Speaker 4: not actually able to identify all of the strains of
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  Speaker 4: chemicals that are being tested in this instance. But how
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  Speaker 4: can they prove that?
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  Speaker 1: To me?
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  Speaker 4: That sounds like propaganda? You know what would prevent sixty
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  Speaker 4: four festival deaths and overdoses. Don't take illegal drugs, don't
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  Speaker 4: do it. And what we're effectively saying to these youths
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  Speaker 4: is come on, we've got a safe environment for you
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  Speaker 4: where we can test them and we can normalize drug use.
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  Speaker 4: But once you leave this area, there's the double standard.
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  Speaker 4: Once you leave this area, if we catch you with
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  Speaker 4: these drugs, they are effectively illegal and we're gonna lock
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  Speaker 4: you up for it, and we're gonna charge you with
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  Speaker 4: some kind of offense. It's outrageous.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think we need to talk about what the
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  Speaker 5: real problem here is, and that is that the music
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  Speaker 5: at these festivals is so bad that they had to
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  Speaker 5: take drugs in order to be able to.
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  Speaker 2: Come with it.
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  Speaker 5: Have you? I mean, look, I'm gonna break your heart here. No,
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  Speaker 5: I've never been in too funny and funny about that,
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  Speaker 5: isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: But if you listen to the songs, clearly the musicians
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  Speaker 3: were on drugs.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, correct it all?
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  Speaker 5: It all makes sense right, But I've always wondered how
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  Speaker 5: this actually works because you have the premier standing up
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  Speaker 5: and saying, you know, illegal drugs are still illegal in
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  Speaker 5: New South Wales. Everyone else's illegal drugs are still illegal
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  Speaker 5: in New South Wales. But you're saying there's a place
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  Speaker 5: where you can take your drugs, and presumably you are
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  Speaker 5: taking to have your drugs tested on the basis that
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  Speaker 5: you're not going to be arrested for doing so. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 5: who the hell would take their drugs to be tested.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it's basically saying, copper, go over there, that's
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  Speaker 5: where you go and arrest the people.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So they've.
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  Speaker 5: Said there will be a quote unquote amnesty zone at
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  Speaker 5: the site of the testing and around the side of
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  Speaker 5: the testing. So you have effectively created a place in
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  Speaker 5: New South Wales on this particular weekend in Woongong where
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  Speaker 5: illegal drugs are legal, because presumably the police have agreed
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  Speaker 5: that they will not be arresting anyone in that particular zone.
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  Speaker 5: So that's ten square meters or twenty square meters or
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  Speaker 5: whatever it is, whatever that square footage is that they're
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  Speaker 5: taking up for this pill testing venue is effectively place
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  Speaker 5: where illegal drugs are legal. So they're not actually illegal
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  Speaker 5: drugs anymore if you're standing on that piece of land,
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  Speaker 5: So how does the law stand.
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  Speaker 4: Many of them are actually also going to this festival
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  Speaker 4: for the music now, right, because that's to me, it's
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  Speaker 4: kind of defeating the purpose. It's like, oh, well, this
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  Speaker 4: is a music festival. If you're going to come, bring
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  Speaker 4: your drugs, But how many young kids out there, who,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, shouldn't be taking these drugs in the
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  Speaker 4: first place. How many of them are going to say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: let's just use as an excuse to go there and
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  Speaker 4: to have them tested, and it be in a safe
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  Speaker 4: environment where we know that yeah, we're going to get
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  Speaker 4: some counselor that will come over and tell us, hey,
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  Speaker 4: don't take the drugs. It's not good for you, but
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  Speaker 4: go on, go and take them. The thing I took
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  Speaker 4: the greatest issue with was when they said in the statement,
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  Speaker 4: people will never be advised that a drug is safe
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  Speaker 4: to use. I'llould come and let us test it for
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  Speaker 4: you and then confirm yes, it is safe to use.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just the hypocrisy and the idiocy of
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  Speaker 4: it all. It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's an example of the mixed messages.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So the event organizer put out a statement on
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  Speaker 3: Instagram and said, I quote, we have a zero tolerance
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  Speaker 3: policy towards legal drugs. Then next breath said, however, we
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  Speaker 3: see an abstinence only approach as unhelpful, so you won't
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  Speaker 3: be judged.
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  Speaker 1: And you won't get into trouble. Well, how can you
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  Speaker 1: have a zero tolerance.
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  Speaker 3: Approach if you're saying however, abstinence is unhelpful, We won't
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  Speaker 3: judge you if you're taking drugs.
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  Speaker 5: Zero tolerance, zero tolerance accept Inside this team, they wonder
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  Speaker 5: why where the compan.
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  Speaker 2: Where the Copplers won't come for you.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, I take drugs to understand the policy.
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  Speaker 2: I know, and the music and the whole lot.
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  Speaker 5: And I bang this drum all the time about tobacco,
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  Speaker 5: as I was doing last night.
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  Speaker 2: But it's the same with alcohol. There is a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the reason I think.
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  Speaker 5: The kids are taking drugs is because they're so much
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  Speaker 5: cheaper than the legal products available. I mean, who's going
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  Speaker 5: to go to a music festival and drink beers all
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  Speaker 5: day or drink spirits all day because it's hideously expensive.
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  Speaker 5: But they'll find someone in there who'll sell them a
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  Speaker 5: pill for thirty dollars and that'll be their day's worth
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  Speaker 5: of entertainment. And a lot of that comes down to
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  Speaker 5: the government who says, well, we must have pill testing
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  Speaker 5: to keep the kids safe. Well, if you didn't tax
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  Speaker 5: up the wazoo, the product that you've deemed to be
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  Speaker 5: safe enough for them to legally use in the first place,
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  Speaker 5: maybe they wouldn't be taking the illegal one. While we're
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  Speaker 5: talking about pill testing, which of course now happening in
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  Speaker 5: New South Wales that started as a proposition in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Things go from bad to worse for.
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  Speaker 5: The Victorian government when it comes to their spending and
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  Speaker 5: project planning. Now you would know if you live in
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  Speaker 5: Melbourne about the Metro tunnel. They're trying to build a
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  Speaker 5: metro like they did in New South Wales. The one
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  Speaker 5: in New South Wales works quite well, i have to say,
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  Speaker 5: in Sydney, so Melbourne said, oh, oh, we better do
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  Speaker 5: that as well. And you would think this thing's meant
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  Speaker 5: open later.
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  Speaker 2: In the year that it would all be hungy dory.
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  Speaker 5: The new ticketing system would be ready to go because
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  Speaker 5: the state government has spent one point seven billion dollars
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  Speaker 5: rebuilding the Miqi system, so you can use a credit
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  Speaker 5: card or your mobile phone to tap on. But no,
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  Speaker 5: when they open up the wiz bang new Metro later
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  Speaker 5: this year, you won't be able to tap on with
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  Speaker 5: your mobile phone, which means that they're going to put
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  Speaker 5: in brand spanking new ticketing scanners for the old system,
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  Speaker 5: which this time next year they will rip out to
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  Speaker 5: replace with brand spanking new scanners for the new system.
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  Speaker 5: Isn't it great what happens when government departments talk together
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  Speaker 5: and work so well. Matthew Guy, who's the shadow a
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  Speaker 5: Minister for Public Transport in Victoria, former leader of course
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  Speaker 5: of the Liberal Party, down there.
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  Speaker 2: And I am told a train enthusiast.
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  Speaker 5: Said, it's a special link of incompetence to stuff up
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  Speaker 5: a ticketing system before the new tunnel is even open.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard to believe that the most expensive rail project
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  Speaker 5: in Victoria's history wasn't built for twenty first century ticketing. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: nothing lines up in Victoria, and that is why all
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  Speaker 5: of their big projects have in just one year blown
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  Speaker 5: out by eleven point six billion dollars. Yes, eleven billion,
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  Speaker 5: whither be dollars? No wonder this state is effectively broke.
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  Speaker 5: Now there's a story we'll get to in the papers.
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  Speaker 5: On the front of the Herald Sound a bit later,
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  Speaker 5: Jacinta Allen's coming up with a plan to try and
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  Speaker 5: clause some of this money back, which is quite brave,
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  Speaker 5: as Sir Humphrey, Well, then we d say for a
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  Speaker 5: labor government. But how do you blow projects out by
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  Speaker 5: eleven point six billion dollars in one year?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think you described in your opening they invented
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  Speaker 3: this brand new ticketing system. I mean you and I
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  Speaker 3: went home last night on the Metro here in Sydney
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  Speaker 3: and we.
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  Speaker 1: Got out our credit card. Bang, we tapped on and
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  Speaker 1: we tapped off.
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  Speaker 3: It works perfectly in Sydney, so you would have thought
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  Speaker 3: the Victorian government didn't need to reinvent the wheel. They
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  Speaker 3: could have just looked to another state like New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales and copied the system that works perfectly here. But no,
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  Speaker 3: they had to start from scratch and taxpayers and now paying.
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  Speaker 3: You know, most businesses have a motto do something once
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  Speaker 3: and do it right. In Victoria they do something three
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  Speaker 3: times at ten times. And that's how Victoria has gotten
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  Speaker 3: into the state it's in with what a forecast one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and eighty eight billion dollars worth of debt by
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight. The Victorian treasurer I love this Jacqueline Sime,
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  Speaker 3: who I'm not sure that she's that good with money,
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  Speaker 3: very good with optimism and trying to ourage she.
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  Speaker 5: She's no good with understanding her job because we did
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  Speaker 5: the Sory couple weeks have actually told the Treasury staff
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  Speaker 5: not to talk to her in economic terms, but we
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  Speaker 5: didn't understand them.
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps that explains her statement today She said, and I quote,
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  Speaker 3: the Victorian economy is going.
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  Speaker 1: From strength to strength.
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  Speaker 3: Having said that, I'm very conscious it's not translating to
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  Speaker 3: households and families well, if it's not translating to households
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  Speaker 3: and families, who's it going from strength to strength fallwards?
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  Speaker 4: Eyes Again, they're pushing their own propaganda to try and
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  Speaker 4: convince everybody that this government hasn't totally destroyed this once
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  Speaker 4: great state. That's what they have to do. Consider everything
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  Speaker 4: that's going on down there in Victoria, right, escalating crime,
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  Speaker 4: cops on strike, the levees that they introduced right before Christmas,
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  Speaker 4: right with punished businesses, people, farmers, all of these great
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  Speaker 4: people who were suffering already under the strain of the
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  Speaker 4: cost of living crisis. Then the AIRB and B tax, right,
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  Speaker 4: remember that only a few days ago a story emerged
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  Speaker 4: where that is really impacting victims of domestic violence, right,
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  Speaker 4: And how they're unable to act actually access these spaces
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  Speaker 4: because of the taxes that they've introduced here and now
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  Speaker 4: it's just it's almost as if it's become a running joke,
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  Speaker 4: the amount of debt that they have invested in them
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  Speaker 4: in the state themselves. And it's all because of the
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  Speaker 4: labor government, because the labor government, and I have to
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  Speaker 4: but I have to say this, the worst part about
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  Speaker 4: the whole Nikey drama, right, is this point the NTT
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  Speaker 4: data right, they're the technology company that used to have it.
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  Speaker 4: Had they retained their particular contract with respect to this,
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  Speaker 4: they could have grandfathered the old technology, which would have
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  Speaker 4: saved tax pays millions of dollars. The conduit who's taken
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  Speaker 4: over it don't actually have the certification to be able
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  Speaker 4: to do that. So now it's just cost upon cost,
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  Speaker 4: poor planning. They can't manage the state, it's clear. And
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  Speaker 4: the Allen government just they are as I said, they're
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  Speaker 4: a running joke. How much longer did Victorians have to
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  Speaker 4: suffer through this? What do we where? We now? We're
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  Speaker 4: February twenty thirty five, twenty six November next year.
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  Speaker 3: They still mentioned Allen government and maybe that's a key
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  Speaker 3: to how why things are so bad, because just into
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  Speaker 3: Allen before she was the premier, she was the Minister
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  Speaker 3: for the Commonwealth Games, remember the Commonwealth Games, Williams to
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  Speaker 3: not hold. She was also the Minister for Transport and Infrastructure.
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  Speaker 3: We know what's happening with infrastructure costs. She was also
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  Speaker 3: the Minister for the suburban rail loop and she was
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  Speaker 3: the Minister for major projects which as we said, have
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  Speaker 3: blown out by eleven billion dollars in the last twelve months.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about failing upwards. Now she's the premier of the state.
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  Speaker 3: With a resume like that, there is no way you
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  Speaker 3: would get at any job in the public sector. You
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't be allowed to make coffee at my local cafe
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  Speaker 3: with that kind of resume. And yet she's running the state.
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  Speaker 3: And we wonder why it goes from bad to worse.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of money being wasted, Elon Musk continues his crusade
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  Speaker 3: in the United States with DOEGE, the Department of Government Efficiency,
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  Speaker 3: trying to root out waste and fraud, and he's moved
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  Speaker 3: on to the Social Security Department. He tweeted today that
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  Speaker 3: the Social Security Administration in the United States might be
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  Speaker 3: the biggest source of fraud in all of human history.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Michelle King, who's been.
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  Speaker 3: At the Social Security Department for thirty years and is
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  Speaker 3: in charge, she has resigned on Sunday in protest that
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  Speaker 3: Elon Musk would dare to look through what's happening in
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  Speaker 3: her department.
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  Speaker 4: It's in protest because she's running for cover already.
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  Speaker 3: I think she's running for cover because Elon Musk found
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  Speaker 3: get this, there are five hundred and thirty one million
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  Speaker 3: unique social security numbers in circulation, which is interesting, five
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  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty one million unique social security numbers, there's
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  Speaker 3: only three hundred and fifty million Americans.
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  Speaker 1: They found eighteen point nine.
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  Speaker 3: Million people listed on the Social Security database as being
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  Speaker 3: over one hundred years old.
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  Speaker 1: There's only eighty six thousand.
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  Speaker 3: According to the last census, six point five million people
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  Speaker 3: were listed on the database as being older than one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and twelve. But I'm pretty sure the last record
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  Speaker 3: says there we're only thirty five across the entire earth,
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  Speaker 3: and one person on the Social Security database was listed
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  Speaker 3: alive with the social security number three hundred.
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  Speaker 1: And sixty years old.
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  Speaker 3: Methuselah is claiming welfare benefits in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: The media have been careful to say, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: This doesn't mean that fraud is happening. It just means
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  Speaker 3: the database is, you know, a little old and a
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  Speaker 3: little messy. Time Magazine mounted a defense.
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  Speaker 1: They said things.
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  Speaker 3: Aren't that bad because between twenty fifteen and twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: two they paid out eight point six trillion dollars worth
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  Speaker 3: of Social Security benefits and only seventy one billion dollars
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  Speaker 3: had been found to be improperly paid only so only
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  Speaker 3: one billion dollars.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that bad.
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  Speaker 3: They said, it's less than one percent of overpayments, and
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  Speaker 3: they actually added.
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  Speaker 1: And it was to living people, so that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: In the month of January, the Social Security Department, perhaps
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  Speaker 3: fearing what Donald Trump was going to do, clawed back
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  Speaker 3: thirty one million dollars that went to dead people. Even
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  Speaker 3: if it's only thirty one million as opposed to historic
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  Speaker 3: level fraud that Elon Musk claims, it's still a hell
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  Speaker 3: of a lot of money being wasted because they can't
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  Speaker 3: keep a database up to speed. Here Elon Musk describing
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: why this is so important for the American public to
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: let the Trump administration do.
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: The overall goal is to try to get trillion dollars
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: out of the deficit, and if the deficit is not
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: brought under control, America will go bankrupt. This is a
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: very important thing for people to understand. A country is
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: not different from an individual in that an individual overspends,
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: an individual can go bankrupt, and so kind of country.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: The massive wasteport and abuse that has been going on,
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: which is leading to a two trillion dollar a year deficit.
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: That's what the president was handed on Jane twenty of
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: a two trillion dollar deficit. Since seeing.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Caleb Trump reckons you can find a trillion dollars in waste, fraud,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: just sloppy accounting. That's an astonishingly large amount of money, of.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Course it is.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: But when you consider the size of the US government,
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: and that is the main problem here. You know, a
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: bit of money over here, a bit of money over there,
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: trillion dollars adds up very quickly, and that's the problem.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: What Mask is talking about there is that when you
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: run your budget, or business runs its budget, it's monitoring
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: the dollar right down to the last cent, because every
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: single cent matters. But of course, when you're dealing with
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: other people's money, as government does, they don't particularly care.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Was it the Department of Defense or the Department of State.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: We did a story about a couple of months ago
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: where they went through their books to their books and
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: they literally could not account for billions of dollars of
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: their budget, like they actually didn't know where they did
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: that's it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: They was Defense.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: They did not know where they had spent that money
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: when they talied it all up. How can you not
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: know you've spent your money, right, well.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: That spent that money.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Somebody is marketing that money very clear.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: But this is how government works. Right.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: If there's no real oversight, money just goes missing into
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: the ether. And that is what Trump is trying to stop.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: People are literally dying it would seem to get their
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: hands on taxpayers money in the US, and it has
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: to stop.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: But you know what, this is not just happening in
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the US.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: I'm sure it's happening everywhere because government systems, for whatever reason,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: don't talk to each other. I know of someone in
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Australia recently who got their hands on a check from
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: the ATO that had been signed out to their dead mother. Now,
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: of course that the ATO seemingly didn't know that the
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: mother was dead and called up the ex husband's accountant
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: and said, oh, we've got this check here, where do
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: we send it?
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, how do these systems not talk to each
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: other so that they know where things go? But it's government,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: so nothing talks to each other, and that's how people
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: get to raught it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: The thing that was interesting as well is that so
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Trump also sat in that interview with Elon Musk with
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Sean Hammity on Fox and he said that this just
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: represents this is a scary part. This represents just one
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: percent of the alleged fraud and the tip of the
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: iceberg of what they're expecting to uncover in all of this.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: So it just goes to show you why people are
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: resigning in this situation and why are people so concerned
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: and scared because they know that this is going to
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: uncover what we should anticipate would be immense corruption and
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: the bureaucracy that has been occurring in the US and
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: the crooks effectively that have been running away with all
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: of this money. They can argue until they're black and
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: blue that they don't know where this particular money is going,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: but someone is pocketing from this and it's quite clear.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: And who better to run all of this, by the
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: way than Elon Musk. Know, when he took over the
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: then Twitter came in and you know, he basically cut
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: eighty percent of the workforce. Six thousand staff members lost
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: their jobs. Six thousand. If you can deem six thousand
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: people are really not that productive to your business model,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Imagine now what they're going to be able to uncover
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: across the US government.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Well, just on that you know that Time magazine said
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: that they decided not to spend nine million dollars tidying
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: up the database because they didn't want to waste nine
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: million dollars. They found thirty one million dollars that went
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: to dead people just in the month of January. So
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: it goes to your point that they're very careful on
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: spending certain money if it's going to clean things up,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: of course, very happy to let things go. You wander up,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: is it really just a mistake? And also going and
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: someone coffee to you.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Know, test the impact of certain alcohols on birds? Right,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: remember when that story came out. I was like, this
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: is where some of your government money, where tax phase money,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: is going to test the impact of a certain alcoholic
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: beverage on a bird. These people are nuts and they
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: should all be running scared.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Why didn't they test how the alcoholic beverage has an
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: effect on me?
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I would have been quite happy.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: To drunk, Caleb, It's not much idea.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: I'll see up by that one for free.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Now, how about this?
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: The BBC Public Broadcast of course in the UK put
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: to air this week a quote unquote documentary entitled Gaza
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: How to Survive a war zone. Now that sounds more
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: like an instruction manual than it does a documentary, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: that may well actually be the case, because an independent
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: journalist by the name of David Collier has done some
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: digging into this documentary and namely the English speaking child,
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: fourteen year old boy who does the narration of this documentary. Now,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: the idea is that they are showing you through what
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Gaza has been like since the war started on October
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: the seventh, and how people have been trying to live
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: there and cope and survive, et cetera, et cetera.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: But the fourteen year old boy who narrates.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: This documentary, who was identified in the the film as Abdullah,
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: they then later showing the credits his full name, which
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: is listed.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: As Abdullah al Yazuri.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Well, mister Collier has looked into who exactly Abdullah is
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: and it would appear that he's actually the son of
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: a Hamas minister, the deputy Minister for Agriculture in Gaza. Now,
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: this doco billed itself as looking at life in Gaza
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: through the eyes of ordinary Gazans, and yet it would
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: seem the boy who was narrating the documentary is actually
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: the son of a minister, which kind of begs the
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: question is that what they are saying the ordinary Gazan
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: is is someone who is connected to Hamas.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Or did they just get.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Absolutely duped by Hamas in their effort to put together
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: what they thought.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Was a compassionate look at what's going on in Gaza.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Whatever the answer to those questions, Caleb, none of it
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: is good.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: The BBC either did not do their due diligence.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: And God knows they get enough money provided by taxpayers
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: to do their due diligence, or they knew exactly who
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: this young boy was, they knew exactly who his father was,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: and they just decided to go ahead with it anyway.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: So effectively you've got the BBC as a propaganda arm
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: for Hermas.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: And the really frustrating part in all of this is
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: that the BBC just a reminder, it happens to stand
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: for the British Broadcasting Corporation, which, by the way, in
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: the UK, her Musa recognized their military wings are recognized
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: as a terrorist organization. So who are you acting on
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: behalf of who are you representing here? And it begs
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: the question, no wonder the trust in the media is
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: so low why do you think that happens to be
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: at this point in time when you are acting as
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: a propagandist and not really representing the situation in a
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: way that is the truth, right, in a way that
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: people deserve to know. So either they didn't know, in
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: which case, as you said and rightly pointed out, Jane,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: it's bad either way whichever way you slice and dice it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: So you didn't bother to invest into some research to
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: discover exactly who this child is, what connections does he have,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: and is he this so called ordinary Palestinian? And if
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: you did find out and then completely ignored that and
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: tried to sweep it under the rug, well, then that
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: calls your own credibility into question. And as I said,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: no wonder the trust in the media and legacy media
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: is so low at this point in time, because who
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: can you trust at this point in time to give
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: you an honest and accurate depiction of what's actually going on.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Well, David Collier, the blok who worked it out, literally
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: just did some searching on Facebook. That's how he worked
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: it out.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: He found an old.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Video video from about a year ago of this kid
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: who was in an interview with Channel four in the
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: UK with a bloke who was claiming to be his father,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: and he worked out that it wasn't actually his father.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: So he started going through various Facebook pages of people
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: who were connected to this child and then managed to
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: work out who the family was and then through all
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: of that connected his father was. So all he's done
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: is use publicly available information to work this out.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: So why could the BBC have not done And in.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Addition, the BBC would have had Palestinians on the ground
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: helping them create this one hour long documentary. You can't
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: tell me that the child of such a prominent Hamas
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: official wasn't known to the Palestinians helping.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: The BBC crew.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: But if you want another example of why we can't
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: trust the media when it comes to what's happening in
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: the Gaza conflict, check out this tweet from American ABC.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Now Hamas have announced that tomorrow they will be what's
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: the word, returning the bodies of four hostages, including a
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: mother and her two beautiful children, a four year old
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: and a nine month old, when they were taken from
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: their homes by Palestinians back to Gaza, kept underground and
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: used as.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Held for ransom. CBS have tweeted, have we got the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: tweet there? They've tweeted.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: King how Mus will release the bodies of four deceased
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: hostages on Thursday and six living hostages on Saturday. How
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Mus in Israel confirmed. I want to drain your attention
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: to the word deceased. They're going to release the bodies
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: of four deceased hostages. I'm just wondering, Lucy, how did
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: these hostages die?
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Was it?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Did they die in their sleep? Did they suffer a stroker?
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I just can't imagine what happened. These journalists at the
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: ABC are paid a pretty penny to be precise when
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: it comes to words. That's the role of a journalist,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and so the word deceased rather than murdered is a
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: very deliberate choice of words. And here again we have
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: another media organization carrying water for terrorists.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Of course, and mischaracter like misrepresenting and mischaracterizing the actual truth.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: In all of this.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: This is a story that is so devastating. I mean,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: for me as a mother, just the unfolding scenes since
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: October seventh, and when this news emerged that these young
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: children had been taken with their mother, I just couldn't
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: help but think what must be going through these poor
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: children's minds, their father, their families, extended families back in Israel,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: thinking if they will survive, will we ever see them again?
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: How are they being treated? And I know that I
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: mean and this is based upon recent information that Israel
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: haven't actually been able to confirm that you know, that
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: they will be receiving these children, that they will know.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: There's so much kind of you know, confusion around whether
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: or not they can accurately identify them, etc.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: All of this.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: But it's so heartbreaking that at a time like this,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: right when so many lives have been needlessly lost, beautiful
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: children across both sides, right, but in this particular situation,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: ripped out of their homes and taken and terrified, that
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: we can't just accurately report out of respect to these
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: people and their families on what's happened to them. It's disgrace.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Can I just show you one more media headline that
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: really got my attention today?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: This is from the New York Times. Get a load
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of this sentence in the New York Time.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: For many Israelis, the story of the Babas family has
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: become a symbol of the brutality of the Hamas led
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: October seven attack. The Babas family is the mother and
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: her two children who were being murdered by hermas. The
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: thing that got my attention for many Israelis, the story
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: has become a similar prete for Israelis.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Hello, it should be for the whole damn world this thing.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not an Israeli, I'm a Christian woman and a mother,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: and this was something that really it was just gut
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: wrenching and devastating to see this. It's not just for Israelis.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I think everybody around the world watching a fold in
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: the Middle East and rightfully should be so disturbed by
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: these scenes, right and the needless, as I said, loss
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: of lives. Had they just had this never happened, we
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be having this conversation. Have they not hung on
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: to the hostages for as long as they have, we
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be having these conversations. So the fact that people
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: can't just look at this and say, well, hang on
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: a minute, why haven't they returned these hostages, Why is
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: it taken so long for them to take these steps,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: and why are they continuing to parade themselves as the
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: victims in all of this when they came and crossed
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: the battle lines and decided to take these families and
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: these babies and these mothers and innocent people away and
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: out of their lives at home.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: And don't forget that this is the return of dead
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: people in exchange for living people in prison.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Currently in Israeli.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Right, so say, oh, sorry, we didn't take care of
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: the hostages we took from your country. You can have
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: them back in a body bag, but thank you very much,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: we'd like our people, criminals back in a live state.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Thing.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: What I don't understand is why did Penny Wong and
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: other world leaders not say on October the eighth, there
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: is no discussion, no negotiation. We will not even speak
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: to us until at the minimum, those children are returned
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: to their family in Israel.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Until then, we have nothing to say.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: To you, because what do the kids have to do
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: with this conflict?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: What do they have to do with this and the
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: innocent lives that have been lost Exactly because of the
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: absolutely barbaric decisions made this military wing, which we also
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: in Australia by the way, recognize as a terrorist organization.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: I think people very sadly, consistently have to be reminded
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: of that. And as I said, parading themselves as the
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: victims in all of this when we know right the
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: atrocities that have been committed by them and the lives
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: that have been lost is just beyond devastating.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: When the bodies of those children are returned, I can't
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: left of their family tomorrow, it will not be just
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: a sad day for many Israelis New York Times, It'll
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: be a shameful day for the entire.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: World that that was allowed to happen.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Lucy, let's move on to a different topic, because there's
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: something I know that you're really stirred up there.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's switch gears. And this one is something that
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I have been very stirred up about purely because of
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: the fact that it does also involve children. And this
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: is something that has taken not just Australia by storm
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: in recent weeks, but we've seen that already in the UK.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: The UK government has made very explicit strides with respect
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: to puberty blockers and the regulations surrounding them. When the
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: UK Secretary of Health, Where Streeting, made the decision in
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: December of last year to put an indefinite ban on
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: them because they've obviously discovered that they have unacceptable risks
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: and pose serious threats to the safety and well being
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: of children. Well, we've just seen this story emerge now
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: out of Queensland because, of course, so many of us
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: were very disturbed by the fact that there were revelations
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: emerging from some of these gender clinics where a child
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: as young as twelve had been prescribed at puberty blockers
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: without the parental consent. Now, if this isn't enough to
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: make the skin on the back of your neck and
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: on your arms and everywhere else stand up, I'm not
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: sure what else it will elicit. But guess what. People
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: are very upset by this in Queensland because what they're
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: suggesting now is that this may bring on at least
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: at a bare minimum AE hundred court cases. And this
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: is effectively a breach of human rights. And we've seen
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Professor Patrick McGorry who was quoted as saying government should
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: not be intruding into an area which requires expert clinical
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: decision making based on the best available scientific evidence. Well,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: i'll tell you what some of that scientific evidence has
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: already suggested. Not only can you find it in the
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: kas Review right, which determined that the evidence surrounding puberty
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: blockers was remarkably weak. But when when Streeting addressed the
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: House of Commons, he stood up and said, and I quote,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: after thoroughly examining all of the available evidence, they have
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: concluded that prescribing puberty blockers to children for the purposes
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: of gender dysphoria in the current prescribing environment represents and
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: he quoted, an unacceptable safety risk end quote. Of particulate
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: concern to the Commission was whether these children and their
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: families were provided with enough time and information to give
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: their full and informed consent.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: So when it comes to cross sex hormones in particular, right,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: we're already seeing there's not enough longitude, long term studies
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: to prove that these are safe and effective, particularly for
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: children minus who by the way, we will not allow
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: to vote, to drive, to smoke, and to do all
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: of these things, and to drink. But we will say
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: to them, you know what, you think you're a boy
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: or you think you're a girl, We're going to put
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: you on puberty blockers where we don't have enough long
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: term evidence to determine how it's going to impact you. Because,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: by the way, studies have also been conducted in Nordic
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: countries where they determined that most of these children experiencing
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: so called gender dysphoria. By the way, no child is
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: born in the wrong body, let's make that very clear.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: They determine that once these children who experienced these feelings
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: reach the age of roughly say, twenty four to twenty five,
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: they realized, I actually don't have these problems anymore, and
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: this was just a phase. And when they're treating these kids,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: they're not also addressing the fact, both to James and
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Caleb and all of our viewers, that many of these
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: children are suffering from existing comorbidities, right. Many of them autistic,
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: some of them have suffered serious sexual abuse, and they're
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: experiencing real difficulties in trying to communicate that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Some of them also just grow up to be either
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: gay or lesbian. And then I'm not saying to them, right,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: we need to explore these other issues. They're saying, let's
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: put you on puberty blockers. What a great idea.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: So for all those reasons, the Queensland government, to their credit,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: have said we're going to hit pause on this. No
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: sex changes for kids for at least the next eighteen
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: months while we investigate. And in response to that, as
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: you pointed out, one hundred prominent Australians have written a
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: letter to the Queensland government saying this is a breach.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Of the Human Rights Act.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Children have a right, I would say, Caleb, when the
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Human Rights Act which says kids are too young to
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: get a tattoo on their arm, but are old enough
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: to ask for their breasts to be chopped off, will
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: you ditch the Human Rights Act?
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Well, this is the problem within training rights in law
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: is that one person's rights always impinge upon someone else's rights.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: If you everything is a right, you can do it
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: until it's ilegal. So once you start putting things in
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: law and saying oh, well this is a right and
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: this is not a right, that's how you end up
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: in a position where a government can say, oh, actually,
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: we should probably stop doing this until we've got a
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: bit more evidence, and then someone else is No. It
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: actually says in law here that I can do whatever
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: the hell I want because you're not able to intervene
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: in medical treatment. Now they're saying there will be court
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: cases because of this, will bring on the court cases.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: As far as i'm concerned because they if the government
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: loses those court cases and it means that treatment has
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: to go ahead again, it might actually prompt them to
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: do something about this leaky legislation. But to your point earlier, Lucy,
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: about the fact that often these kids have other conditions
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: going on. There are two very distinct types of children
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: who present with gender dysphoria. There are children who it
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: is obvious they've had a problem since they were tiny,
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: right The parents can come in and say, I've always
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: known there's something going on here, and generally they don't
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: have any other history.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: But generally they don't have any other history of mental conditions.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Then you have children who somewhere around the onset of
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: adolescents or puberty, start to say I have gender confusion,
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: and often they do have other mental conditions.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: And the way we.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Treat it at the moment in Australia in particular, but
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: the rest of the world has been waking up this
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: except for us, is to say, okay, we'll put you
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: on the puberty blockers, which barses some time to work
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: out what's going on. But what they then do is
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: spend all their time focusing on the gender issue and
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: not all the other things around it, and often when
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: you treat the underlying causes, it all goes away.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Avain, you're also forgetting the propaganda that's being pushed in
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: the education system, basically telling them you can be a
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: boy if you like, you can be a girl, and hey,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: we're not going to tell your parents either that you
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: feel this way. Gavin Newsom over there in California signed
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: into legislation that basically will come, the government will come
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: and take your child off you if you disagree with
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: them wanting to transition or identify something else that's madness.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Young girls are the most susceptible to this type of ideology,
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: and again, as I said, the propaganda that's being pushed
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: on them also needs to be factored into that question.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: The thing that astonished me about this story is one
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: of the signatures to this letter criticizing the Queensland government
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: for pausing sex changes for kids is the co director
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: of anglic Care and the Wesley Mission.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: You're going to wonder what on earth is happened.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: To the Anglican sick people, people sick.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: You've senior person is supporting this kind of stuff. Unbelievable.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: When we come back, look at what's making news tomorrow.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Including a shocking warning from the Director of ASIO about
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: foreign murder plots on Australian soil that's coming.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Up in this moment. Welcome back.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Well, let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: A big day of news on the Australian front page
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: with the head of ASIO Caleb making some pretty sobering warnings.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: Indeed, state sponsored murder plots is the headline. As your chief,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Mark Burgess has issued a pre election warning that the
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: country phases its most complex and challenging security environment on record,
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: revealing that foreign states have plotted to kill Australian based
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: critics and steal state defense Secretsnti Semitic attacks will escalate,
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: and terrorists are being radicalized online at a younger age
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: than ever. Here was mister Burgess talking about this election interference.
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: We have established specialist teams and operations to work with
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: the Electoral Commission and our other partners to protect the
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: integrity of our phole. We will be watching if a
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: foreign regime tries to meddle in the election by pressuring
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: diasper groups, directing foreign language newspapers, spreading disinformation on social
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: media or using any other tactics. Sometimes seems overseas, we
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: will know and we will act.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: He also talked about the escalation of rhetoric around Hamas
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: and the war in Palestine. Here he is talking about
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: the escalation of anti Semitism, which he says will only
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: get worse.
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: The normalization of violent protests and intimidating behaviors lowered the
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: threshold for provocative and potentially violent acts. Narratives a originally
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: centered on free and Palestine expanded to incitements to kill
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: the Jews. These threats transitioned from harassment and intimidation to
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: specific targeting of Jewish communities, places of worship, and prominent figures.
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: I'm concerned these attacks have not yet plateaued.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: Now on these state spotted murder plots. The story in
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: the OS goes on to say that in one case,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: which was thwarted, a foreign intelligence service tried to silent
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: to human rights activists by getting them to go to
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: a third party country where they were set to be
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: killed or there would be an accident quote unquote stage.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: And more recently, there was one where asio intelligence indicated
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: that a different government.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: This is another of.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: Foreign hostile intelligence service entirely wanted to harm and possibly
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: kill one or more individuals on Australian soil. And if
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: you go to the Canberra Times tomorrow they have more
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: reporting on this where they say Zo Boss reveals Bagabid,
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: a foreign intelligence service hid surveillance devices in gifts given
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: to Australian defense personnel by members of a foreign foreign
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: military that he, the Director General of Asia, Mark Burgess,
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: has disclosed. I mean, no one is letting up in
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: their effort to try and get information from US, but
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: more concerningly to actually kill Australians by any means possible,
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: whether that be on Australian soil or by luring them
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: overseas with the hope of being able to kill them.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Well, it seemed to be two key things here. One
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: is our signing of the Orchis Agreement. The Camera Times story,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I note Mike Burgess says that is a major reason
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: why Australian defense personnel are being targeted by foreign adversaries.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: And of course, as you heard him say, there the
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: continuous protests regarding Palestine.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Which have gotten increasingly more raucous.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: But I got to say lucy and not disparaging the
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: head of Asia at all, but he didn't say anything
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: then about what we're seeing with regards anti Semitism that
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't have heard people on Sky News saying for
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: the past six, seven, eight, nine, ten months. We all
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: know that things have been getting worse. We all know
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: that they haven't plateaued yet, and people have been warning
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: for fifteen months now that things are out of control.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: It's good to see that our intelligence services are finally
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: coming out and saying it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: It's only taken them that long to come around and
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: to actually get on board with it, right. And this also,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: it must be said, and for a lot of people
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: at home from wherever you're watching, it's not just in
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: Sydney that this is occurring. So I was recently speaking
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: to a friend of mine. I'm a born and raised
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Camber girl, and I said, what are you up to today?
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: And she said, I've just come back there in construction.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: I've just come back from our job site scrubbing off
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: anti Semitic slurs and all of these really nasty things
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: directed at Israelis off of our job sites. And I said, wow.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: I said, I haven't heard much of this being reported,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: and she said, because the sad reality is is that
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: we've just gotten so used to it now that it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: not only costing us a lot of money, but she said,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: depending on which particular surface, it becomes even more difficult
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: to remove it. And we don't want any of our
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Israeli friends and people in our neighborhoods et cetera to
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: be exposed to this. So we're having to dedicate so
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: many of our efforts into going back repeatedly and trying
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: to scrub all of this off. This isn't just a
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: problem in Sydney, it's a problem Australia wide. And the
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: fact that it's taking them this long to recognize that
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: by people chanting things like from the River to the Sea,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: that that's not an incitement to hatred and that you're
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: not calling for the death of Jews is pretty insane.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Why is it that you, particularly the head of ASIO
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: right our intelligence agencies, who should know what these types
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: of militia groups and what these terrorist groups, how they operate,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: and the chance and slogans that they're using. How has
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: it taken you this long to come around to the
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: fact that this is an incitement to hatred and violence
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: and that you are calling for their death and destruction.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: And he also mentioned Burgess mentioned when he was talking
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: about election interference that they would be monitoring the heavies
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: being put on ds as in Australia, and he expanded
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: on this further and said that foreign governments are coming
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: after activist journalists and ordinary citizens and in some cases
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: had actually been putting the heavies on diaspora in Australia
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: and trying to tell them that they had to go
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: home and answer questions for things that were going on
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: in the country Australia that they had moved to. So
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: clearly you have countries and that they haven't said which
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: ones they are, but I think you and I can
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: read between the lines and guess which ones they might be.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Are telling people who've migrated here no no, no, no, Noah,
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: you've got to come back and tell us what's going on.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: That is the level they will go to to undermine us,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: and we always need to remember that.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: And can I also broaden the scope just a little
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: bit here and people watching this may feel like, well,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: I'm not in ISRAELI I'm not Jewish. I don't feel
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: like I have any dog in this fight. And I've
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: said it already before. I'm a Christian woman. If this
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: was occurring in churches, right, if this was the Catholic
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Church being attacked and people of the Catholic faith being attacked,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Christians being person acuted, I would feel just as concerned,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: and so should every Australian about this.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: We are a multicultural country. We're incredibly diverse. One of
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: the things that we celebrate in our nation is is
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: the fact that we are able to all coexist peacefully
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: and respect one another from diverse cultural backgrounds. You know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: everyone should be concerned by what's happening with this rise
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: in antisemitism, regardless of which faith and which God you
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: pray to.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's go to the front page of tomorrow's Herald Sun.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Interesting story exclusive blood Sorry, budget bloodbath looms with plan
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: to cut thousands of government jobs Allen.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: That's the premiere wields the acts.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: The Allen government is working on plans to slash several
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: thousands of jobs from the state's public service in an
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: expected budget blood bath. It comes after its wages bills
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: soared by three billion dollars in one year, and as
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: a report reveals major projects have blown out by eleven
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: point seven billion dollars. Well, I think everybody knows that
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the public service in Victoria is completely out of control,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: both in terms of the number of staff and the
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: wages being paid. And you know things are bad when
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: the head of Victorian labor says we might have.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: To cut a few public service jobs.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: They are hurrowing for cass their paws out.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever heard of a labor government
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: ever say we need to get rid of public service.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: This never happens. That is just how in the crap
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: they are in Victoria.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Yesperate, and what a beautiful city. That place was right,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: and I say was past tense because pre COVID times
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: that was the place you wanted to be right. The culture,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: the coffee, the people.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: It'll be restored.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: They're going to build a Dan Andrews' statue.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Just before we go to a break, Lucy, quickly, you've
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: got the Daily Telegraph with news on the train strike.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: And finally the headline is we are back on track,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: but Dunton wants Elbow to end the strikes for good.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: This discussion about, obviously whether or not Prime Minister Albani
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: you will intervene in what has been an absolute disaster
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: where the citizens of Sydney have been held to ransom
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: by this union that have acted completely out of control.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: They're anarchists. It's absolute madness. But this is only going
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: on until July one, right, so we can celebrate this
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: reprieve all we like. But they don't have much time.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: The New Southwest Government had a win at the Fair
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Work Commission, So, as Lucy said, there's been a reprieve
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: for Sydney commuters.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: You can get your train tomorrow.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: The New Zealand tourism campaign that sounds like a clearance
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: sale will show you.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: That in a minute, you can tell us where you reckon.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: It will get people who encourage people who visit New
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Zealand that's coming up in seven Welcome back now. I've
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: got to admit I love New Zealand. I've been there
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: many times. It's a great place to holiday. But they
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: might want to rethink their latest tourism campaign, which is
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: running on radio and social media in Australia. Spec a
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: fortune for this campaign. I've got the campaign advertisement. It
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: reads sale now on. Everyone must go even you don't
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: miss out now The problem, of course, is that the
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: number of people leaving New Zealand to come and live
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: in Australia is a record numbers. So when you see
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: an adversement for New Zealand saying everyone must go, it
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: doesn't make you think, yeah, I should go there. It
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: just reminds you they're all leaving New Zealand to come
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: to Australia.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Will of course they are, well would they?
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: They also need to point out how many bloody sheep there.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: That's why they need to get so many people to
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: move in, because how many sheep is that they have
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: per person in New Zealand.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: It's through the roof.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: They don't have a good rip with those sheep, bather
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: not a minute though.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know why they're feing here to come to
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, we may have a change in government.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: We never know. We're hoping certainly for it. But they've
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: got a conservative government over in New Zealand.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: That's true things lately.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, indeed, I'll tell you where things haven't gone better.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: That's a casey council in Melbourne. They've been in administration
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: since twenty twenty. There was an IBAC investigation into money
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: changing hands between counselors and developers, et cetera. They've had
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: their first public meeting in five years this week, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: this is how it went.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: The council meeting.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: We'll resume at seven point thirty five. We'll all councilors
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: and staff vacate the council chamber for ten minutes under
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: Clause seventy nine of the City of Casey Governance Rules.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I'm adjourneying this meeting tonight and it will resume at
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: a date to be determined.
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: We'll all counselors and staff vacate the council chamber.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, as far as.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: I'm concerned, that is democracy and action. The people say
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: we don't want you, and they shut down the meeting
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: exactly as it should be. They had to call in
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: a police escort because they were so worried that the
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: rap bays were going to come after them. And among
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: the issues that the residents were complaining about on the
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: night was that a family collection of hot rods and
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: jet skis had been impounded by the council.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Under new local.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Rule, we've got to pay fees hundreds of dollars to
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: have a caravan or a car that you're storing or
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: a mini bike on your property, No wonder. Rate payers
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: are outraged and the police should be there to take
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: the councils away.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: That's it from us. Coming up in just a moment,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: it's the Rena Pennahey Show. A good night