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Uninhabited island with a DARK HISTORY The missing crew of the Sarah Joe · Crime and Horror

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  Speaker 1: Maritime history is full of unexplained phenomenon and tall tales
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  Speaker 1: of sea monsters and mariners going out and returning in
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  Speaker 1: different parts of the world and.
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  Speaker 2: Not knowing how they got there. You've abandoned ships.
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  Speaker 1: You have all these crazy things that happen out on
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  Speaker 1: the ocean, and many of them are just stories. We
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  Speaker 1: like to believe them because they're fascinating, but few of
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  Speaker 1: them actually hold up in our truth. But one story,
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  Speaker 1: it is absolutely as fascinating as some of these very
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  Speaker 1: tall tales, but also happens to be true.
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  Speaker 2: Today, I'm going to cover.
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  Speaker 1: That story, and it is the story of the Lost
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  Speaker 1: Hawaiian Fishermen. So the too long, didn't read version of
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  Speaker 1: this story is, you have five highly experienced Hawaiian fishermen
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  Speaker 1: that take off on a daytime fishing trip. The weather
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  Speaker 1: turns really bad while they're out in the water, and
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  Speaker 1: they don't return. Despite an extensive search effort, they are
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  Speaker 1: not located, and after a year, the families and friends
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  Speaker 1: of the lost fishermen they host a memorial service and
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  Speaker 1: assume that their loved ones are gone forever. Nine years later,
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  Speaker 1: they make a discovery on a very small island twenty
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  Speaker 1: three hundred miles away. That calls into question the entire story.
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  Speaker 1: It's an amazing story. It's a tragic story, but it's
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  Speaker 1: one worth listening to right to the very end before
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  Speaker 1: we get started. If you are into strange and mysterious
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  Speaker 2: A bevy of content just like that. And so if
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  Speaker 1: If you could gently liquid I can't even say it.
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  Speaker 1: and turn on all notifications, that would be great. Scott
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  Speaker 1: Mormon was born in nineteen fifty two in the San
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  Speaker 1: Fernando Valley in California. At a young age, he loved
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  Speaker 1: the show Adventures in Paradise, which was about this crew
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  Speaker 1: of young sailors that would travel the South Pacific looking
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  Speaker 1: for adventure.
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  Speaker 2: And passengers to pick up along the way, and it
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  Speaker 2: was just.
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  Speaker 1: This brilliant show to him, and he became obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: living in the South.
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  Speaker 2: Pacific when he got older.
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  Speaker 1: Specifically he wanted to live in Hawaii, but that wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily happen right away because at a young age. He
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  Speaker 1: got married and had a son and stayed in California.
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  Speaker 1: But in nineteen seventy five he and his wife split up,
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  Speaker 1: and so he took that as an opportunity to go
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  Speaker 1: fulfill that childhood dream of living in Hawaii, and so
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  Speaker 1: he on his own. His son stayed with his former wife.
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  Speaker 1: He Scott moves out to the east coast of Maui
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  Speaker 1: on Hawaii and he moves into this this little town
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  Speaker 1: called Nahiku. Now Nahiku was full of lots of Native
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  Speaker 1: Hawaiians and a growing population of kind of like refugees
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  Speaker 1: in a way, you know, Vietnam veterans, kind of that.
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  Speaker 2: Were over living in the mainland.
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  Speaker 1: You have hippies and kind of earth loving people that
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  Speaker 1: do a lot more partying than working.
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  Speaker 2: They were all kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of congregating in this same same town. And Scott he
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  Speaker 1: loved that culture and he quickly became.
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  Speaker 2: A part of it. But he also, unlike a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the kind of hippies that made.
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  Speaker 1: Their way to Nahiku that were part of that growing population,
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  Speaker 1: Scott really wanted to kind of become a part of
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  Speaker 1: the whole culture of Nhiku because he really he growing
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  Speaker 1: up he loved to why he didn't want to be
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  Speaker 1: the kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of the others on the island.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted to be a part of the main culture,
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  Speaker 1: and so he took it upon himself to learn the
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  Speaker 1: sort of Pigeon English that locals would use. He took
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  Speaker 1: time to learn some of the cultural traditions that they had,
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  Speaker 1: and really went out of his way to try to
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  Speaker 1: befriend some of the locals.
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  Speaker 2: And while he wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Really embraced as you know, a kind of local, he
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  Speaker 1: he did form a number of friendships with local Hawaiians
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  Speaker 1: and in time, he really felt like this is where
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  Speaker 1: he belongs. This was home to him one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: So he would only go back to California one time.
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  Speaker 1: He goes back once for his son's birthday, and he
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  Speaker 1: also sees his parents while he's there, and they are
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  Speaker 1: all pleading with him to come back.
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  Speaker 2: You know, be with your family.
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  Speaker 1: They want him to stay, and he says, no, Nahiku
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  Speaker 1: is where I belong and I can't envision myself living
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  Speaker 1: anywhere else. And so when he flies back after that
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  Speaker 1: one visit to California for his son's birthday, when he
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  Speaker 1: flies back to Nahiku, that would be the last time
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  Speaker 1: that his son, his former wife, than his parents, his
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  Speaker 1: family back in the mainland would see him.
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  Speaker 2: That's the last day would see him.
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  Speaker 1: On February eleventh, nineteen seventy nine, Scott and four of
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  Speaker 1: his friends decide that they're not going to go to
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  Speaker 1: work that day they all worked construction together.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, they're going to go fishing because they all love
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  Speaker 2: to fish and the weather was beautiful, they said, why not.
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  Speaker 1: Now, none of them owned their own boats, so they
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  Speaker 1: had to ask a friend who had a seventeen foot
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  Speaker 1: Boston whaler named the Sarah Joe. Their friend allowed them
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  Speaker 1: to use it, and so they got their boat. They
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  Speaker 1: went to the store, got some fear snacks, and got
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  Speaker 1: some ice to their big ice chest so they could
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  Speaker 1: pack it with the fish they caught that they hopefully caught,
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  Speaker 1: and they were on their way. The part of Hawaii
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  Speaker 1: that Scott and his friends lived in the east coast
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  Speaker 1: of Maui at the time, did not get any TV stations,
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  Speaker 1: and radio broadcasts were done maybe once a week and.
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  Speaker 2: Were hard to pick up.
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  Speaker 1: So people in that area, especially fishermen and anybody that
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  Speaker 1: was out on the water, they were accustomed to going
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  Speaker 1: out without a weather report.
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  Speaker 2: They basically played the weather by their eye. They kind
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  Speaker 2: of just sized it up and said, doesn't seem okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: it seems good, and they would go out.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, that's pretty risky, but the locals were pretty good
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  Speaker 1: at it, and Scott and his buddies also were very
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  Speaker 1: good at this point at kind of reading weather, and
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  Speaker 1: so they thought this day was going to be just fine. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in order to get to the place where they intended
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  Speaker 1: to fish, they would need to pass through something called
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  Speaker 1: the Alanui Haha Channel, which is considered to be one
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  Speaker 1: of the roughest and most dangerous areas for all sailors
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  Speaker 1: anywhere near Hawaii. So it's a dangerous places at certain points.
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  Speaker 1: It is almost seven thousand feet deep, there's very strong
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  Speaker 1: surface currents. It's just a risky place to be if,
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  Speaker 1: for example, there was a big storm. Now, when Scott
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  Speaker 1: and the Sarah Joe crew took off, the water was calm,
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  Speaker 1: the weather was beautiful, and by about ten am, when
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  Speaker 1: they believed they must have been in the channel at
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  Speaker 1: this point, the weather was still very calm. However, a
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  Speaker 1: low pressure system had picked up very suddenly between ten
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  Speaker 1: and noon, and so when they probably were somewhere towards
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  Speaker 1: the end of the channel when they were going to
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  Speaker 1: be making their way into open water to fish, there
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  Speaker 1: was beginning to be torrential downpour all along the channel,
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  Speaker 1: and it eventually turned into a full scale hurricane.
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  Speaker 2: So on the.
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  Speaker 1: Island people described this particular storm as being one of
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  Speaker 1: the worst they've seen in fifty plus years.
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  Speaker 2: This is like a sudden, freak, horrible storm.
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  Speaker 1: Of the boats that took off to go fishing out
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  Speaker 1: of this east coast section of Maui, there was four
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  Speaker 1: fishing boats that went out, three returned.
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  Speaker 2: The one that didn't was, of course, the Sarah Joe.
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  Speaker 1: At five PM, the Coastguard is notified by their friends
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  Speaker 1: and family that they have not returned yet. The storm
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  Speaker 1: is still raging, you know, gale force winds, torrential downpour,
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  Speaker 1: but they still send out a plane to look overhead.
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  Speaker 1: A number of crews were sent out to go look
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  Speaker 1: for them, even with the incredible risk of searching in
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  Speaker 1: this weather, but considering the dangers they were in, they
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  Speaker 1: decided it was necessary. The searchers who were in the boats,
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  Speaker 1: the boat crews that were sent out to look for
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  Speaker 1: the Sara Joe crew, they said that at best they
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  Speaker 1: could see maybe fifty feet in front of them, and
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  Speaker 1: even that was a stretch the limited search, but they
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  Speaker 1: did go out on the day of the storm. Over
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  Speaker 1: the next five days, the Coast Guard led a search
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  Speaker 1: that included forty four planes and boats, covering a fifty
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  Speaker 1: six thousand square mile search.
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  Speaker 2: Block for the Sarah Joe. But nothing was found.
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  Speaker 1: There was absolutely no trace of them, and so after
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  Speaker 1: five days, unfortunately, the Coast Guard called off the search.
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  Speaker 2: However, the people in their hometown.
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  Speaker 1: In Nahiku, they knew these five men. These were incredibly capable,
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  Speaker 1: very experienced fishermen. They were all great swimmers. They believed
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  Speaker 1: that because they hadn't found a trace of them, that
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  Speaker 1: perhaps they were still alive out there, and so they
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  Speaker 1: as a community raised fifty thousand dollars to pay private
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  Speaker 1: ships and planes to.
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  Speaker 2: Continue the search.
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  Speaker 1: So there was an extended search that went on for
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  Speaker 1: a couple more weeks that covered an even bigger swath
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  Speaker 1: of territory, but at the end still yielded no results.
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  Speaker 1: The people that were doing the searching were just baffled
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  Speaker 1: because when people go.
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  Speaker 2: Missing at sea, there's some indication.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of times when they're just fishing basically right
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  Speaker 1: off the coast. There's some indication of what happened to them.
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  Speaker 1: It's rare that you would have zero percent found absolutely
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  Speaker 1: no idea what happened to these these five fishermen. One
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  Speaker 1: year after their disappearance, the families and friends decide to
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  Speaker 1: host a memorial and moren the loss officially for their
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  Speaker 1: loved ones. It was believed at this point that they
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  Speaker 1: had all perished. Twenty three hundred miles southwest of the
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  Speaker 1: Hawaiian Islands lies this tiny little stretch of I guess
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  Speaker 1: you can call them islands called the Teungi a toll,
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  Speaker 1: and these little tiny strips of land that were barely
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  Speaker 1: higher than sea level barely sustained any life. There's a
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  Speaker 1: couple scrub plants that took hold here and there, but
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  Speaker 1: there's no fresh water. The only recorded human life that's
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  Speaker 1: ever been there was during World War Two a number
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  Speaker 1: of Japanese soldiers were stranded there briefly. But it is
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  Speaker 1: two hundred miles from the nearest inhabited land. It's very
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  Speaker 1: far from any major shipping lane. It's just a place
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  Speaker 1: that as a human being, you don't want to go.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it was actually considered when they were testing
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  Speaker 1: the atomic bomb. When the United States was it was
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  Speaker 1: considered to be a great spot to test the atomic
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  Speaker 1: bomb because no one's there and no one's anywhere near it,
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  Speaker 1: so incredibly isolated. On September tenth, nineteen eighty eight, marine
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  Speaker 1: biologist John Nunton, along with four other crew members, descended
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  Speaker 1: upon the Taungi A Toll.
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  Speaker 2: They were sent there by the Marshall.
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  Speaker 1: Islands to find a suitable wildlife sanctuary for some sea
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  Speaker 1: turtles and seabirds.
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  Speaker 2: Within thirty minutes of arriving at the.
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  Speaker 1: A Toll, John and his crew saw what looked like
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  Speaker 1: a skeleton of a boat, a Boston whaler boat that
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  Speaker 1: was down on the shore. John was actually a resident
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  Speaker 1: of Maui, so he's from Hawaii. And he saw on
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  Speaker 1: the back of this kind of skeletal remains at this
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  Speaker 1: boat the letters HA, which means it's registered in Hawaii.
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  Speaker 1: And so he's intrigued because you know, we're twenty three
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  Speaker 1: hundred miles from Hawaii. And he starts moving the sand
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  Speaker 1: away to get a better look to see if there's
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  Speaker 1: any more writing on the boat.
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  Speaker 2: And he makes out a couple of.
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  Speaker 1: Letters and S and R and H and O, and
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  Speaker 1: he and he puts it together. He's like, this is
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  Speaker 1: the Sarah Joe. This is the boat that went missing
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  Speaker 1: nine years earlier. And the reason he knew it that
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  Speaker 1: quickly is because he was one of the people deeply
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  Speaker 1: involved in the search efforts to find these lost fishermen.
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  Speaker 2: He was like leading search groups.
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  Speaker 1: He was totally committed to finding them, and here he
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  Speaker 1: is in a crazy twist of fade, twenty three hundred
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  Speaker 1: miles away, almost a decade later, finding the boat. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the boat did not initially provide any sort of information
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  Speaker 1: about where the fisherman might be. There was nothing on it.
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  Speaker 1: It was just the wood, very degraded from water wear
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  Speaker 1: and tear. But the crew decided that they would search
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  Speaker 1: the island and just kind of look around because for
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  Speaker 1: perhaps the crew, even if it was years and years ago,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they landed here and then they ultimately perished once
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  Speaker 1: they were here, so maybe we can find their remains
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  Speaker 1: or just some sign that they might have been here.
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  Speaker 1: John walks about one hundred yards away from the Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Joe and he sees what looks like kind of a
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  Speaker 1: crudely constructed cross out of driftwood, and below it he
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  Speaker 1: can see that there's a bunch of rocks that have
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  Speaker 1: been placed definitely in some sort of decorative way, and
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  Speaker 1: it looks it looks like a grave site, and considering
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  Speaker 1: what they're looking for, he thinks, there there's the first
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  Speaker 1: of the bodies that we're going to find. He calls
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  Speaker 1: over his crew and so they begin kind of moving
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  Speaker 1: some things aside. They don't want to totally disturb the grave,
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  Speaker 1: just to be respectful. But a little ways down the
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  Speaker 1: inside of the grave is not only bones, but they
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  Speaker 1: find this little book. The book had no writing in it,
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  Speaker 1: and it's hard to even call it a book. It
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  Speaker 1: was more than a stack of papers. But on each
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  Speaker 1: page there was a little square cutout of tinfoil set
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  Speaker 1: on the page. Basically every page had a little square
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  Speaker 1: of tinfoil and nothing else to it. No one knew
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  Speaker 1: what it meant, but undoubtedly somebody had very clearly buried
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  Speaker 1: somebody else right here in a very shallow grave and
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  Speaker 1: had left this little book in with whoever was buried here.
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  Speaker 1: And so while John and a couple of his crew
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  Speaker 1: are looking at this book and trying to make sense
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  Speaker 1: of it, one of his crew members that was just
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  Speaker 1: kind of standing back looking at the site commented that,
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  Speaker 1: you know the bones that are in that grave.
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  Speaker 2: They're not very bleached. Now, if a bone's been sitting
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  Speaker 2: for a long time, it will basically bleach and become
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  Speaker 2: totally white. Everything comes off the bone.
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  Speaker 1: These bones looked relatively fresh, so whoever was buried here
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  Speaker 1: they had been varied recently. At this point, John and
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  Speaker 1: his crew have basically abandoned their kind of wildlife sanctuary
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  Speaker 1: research and now they're just scouring this little scrub of
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  Speaker 1: land in the Tenggay Toll for any other signs of
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  Speaker 1: things that could have to do with the Sarah Joe crew.
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  Speaker 2: And they found nothing else.
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  Speaker 1: So they report back to the Coastguard and alert the
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  Speaker 1: Marshallese authorities that what was found on the island, and
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  Speaker 1: they send out a couple of forensic experts to examine
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  Speaker 1: the bone. They were able to determine that the bones
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  Speaker 1: in the grave belonged to Scott Mormon. When news got
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  Speaker 1: back to the Hawaiian mainland that Scott Mormon had been found,
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  Speaker 1: the family members of the other four fishermen that went
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  Speaker 1: missing on the Sarah Joe, they hired private detectives to
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  Speaker 1: go scour the Taeogi a toll look everywhere, see if
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  Speaker 1: you can find our loved ones remains. And so this
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  Speaker 1: team of private detectives and a dive team and all
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  Speaker 1: these people are sent to.
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  Speaker 2: The Teyongi a toll and they look everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: They're digging up the sand, they have dive teams going
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  Speaker 1: out into the water.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they are really leaving no stone unturned. And
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  Speaker 2: all they're able to find is the outboard motor.
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  Speaker 1: Of the Sarah Joe, which was a little ways off
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  Speaker 1: the coast from where the boat itself was found, wedged
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  Speaker 1: in some coral.
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  Speaker 2: And then they also found.
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  Speaker 1: A handful of more bones on the beach near where
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  Speaker 1: that shallow grave where Scott Mormon was buried.
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  Speaker 2: But those bones also belonged to Scott Mormon.
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  Speaker 1: So there was nothing else bound of the other four
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  Speaker 1: fishermen or any indication of what happened to the boat.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing, And in fact, researchers that were able to
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  Speaker 1: look at the bones of Scott Mormon there wasn't enough
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  Speaker 1: evidence there to help them determine a cause of death.
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  Speaker 2: So we don't even know how he passed away or
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  Speaker 2: when he passed away.
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  Speaker 1: However, it was determined just based on the bleaching of
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  Speaker 1: the bones, that it was a relatively recent death. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what the timeline is on that, but recent
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  Speaker 1: is the term that's used. While it was a very
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  Speaker 1: big deal that they located Scott Mormon's remains on the
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  Speaker 1: Teungia Toll, even though it was ten years later. This
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  Speaker 1: is revelatory. This is a really big deal, not only
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  Speaker 1: for the families of the fishermen, but for anybody involved.
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  Speaker 2: This is a really big deal.
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  Speaker 1: But there was an additional revelation once Scott Mormon's bones
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  Speaker 1: were found that basically turned this case upside down. There's
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  Speaker 1: already a bunch of questions, like who buried Scott Mormon?
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  Speaker 1: How did Scott Mormon become freshly buried almost a decade later?
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  Speaker 2: You know, how long had they been there.
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  Speaker 1: There's some basic questions that you're going to ask. But
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  Speaker 1: there's one fact that nobody seems to be able to reconcile,
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  Speaker 1: and that was six years after they went missing, the
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  Speaker 1: Marshall Islands conducted a government survey of the teongi A Toll,
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  Speaker 1: which would mean they scoured the islands, all those little
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  Speaker 1: strips of land that make up the teongi A Toll.
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  Speaker 1: They scoured it just taking measurements and basically mapping out
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  Speaker 1: the teongi A Toll. I think it was in preparation
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  Speaker 1: for potentially turning it into this wildlife sanctuary. So they
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  Speaker 1: look everywhere on that on the Taeogia Toll six years after.
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  Speaker 2: The Sarah Joe went missing. So they go missing.
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  Speaker 1: Six years later, there's this government survey of the taeogi
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  Speaker 1: A Toll, and guess what they ended up looking at
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  Speaker 1: that survey and there's no boat. There's no shallow grave,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing, It's just an uninhabited strip of land, nothing else.
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  Speaker 2: There's no boats there.
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  Speaker 1: Experts when this was revealed said that, well, had they
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  Speaker 1: the Sarah Joe, the crew of the Sarah Joe gone
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  Speaker 1: dead in the water following the storm, they could have
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: drifted the twenty three hundred miles to the teangi A
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Toll in roughly three months.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: But they weren't there at the six year mark.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So what were they doing between the disappearance and the
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: six year mark, which would have been the earliest they
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: could have arrived because prior to they would have been
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: discovered during this audit.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: So you have a six year gap where no one can.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Account for where they were even if they made it
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: to the teongi A Toll six years in a day
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: after they went, they had disappeared that they had been
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: somehow surviving in the open ocean for six years, and
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: they just so happened to land at the teogi A
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  Speaker 1: Toll six years and a day later, basically just just
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: after the survey's done. Let's say they make it there,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: who buried Scott Mormon?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: And what was the booklet that was buried with him?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: With the tinfoil squares?
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: This is a totally uninhabited stretch of land. There is
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: no one there to perform any sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of burial ritual.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Even if we're willing to say that maybe one of
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the other fishermen buried Scott Mormon, well then.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Where are the other fishermen? Some people wonder are they
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: still alive?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: So, like many of my videos, unfortunately there isn't really
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: a good conclusion here. It just kind of ends in
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: a bunch of questions. But I would love it if
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: you include it in the comments section. You think could
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: be the reason behind that six year gap? How can
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: we account for those six years when they were not
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: at the Taeogia Toll.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, my suggestion would.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Be maybe the survey wasn't done very well and they
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: just missed it, but that still doesn't also answer well,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: who buried Scott Mormon?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And also why were his bones not so bleached?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: How did he come to be freshly buried nine years
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: nine and a half years after he disappeared?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: So lots of questions.
• 19:30
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• 19:33
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• 20:03
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