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Best Of Full Interview: Bill Burr On Comedy Beginnings, White Privilege, Marrying A Black Woman, Chappelle's Show + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 3: up in the morning Breakfast Club morning. Everybody is the
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  Speaker 3: j Envy Jess hilarious. Charlamagne the guy. We are to
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  Speaker 3: Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building,
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  Speaker 3: the fucking legend man Bill Burr.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm feeling.
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  Speaker 4: I'm all right, yeah, right yeah. When you hear the
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  Speaker 4: word legend, do you just feel old? Do you feel
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  Speaker 4: like I'm accomplished? Ah? I don't know what I feel.
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  Speaker 4: I never feel like I you know this, you know
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  Speaker 4: this businesses you feel like you know any moment, like
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  Speaker 4: whatever you got is going to go away. So I
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  Speaker 4: just I don't pay attention to that stuff. I obviously
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  Speaker 4: like it. No, legend doesn't make me feel old. It
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  Speaker 4: makes me feel good. But when somebody's like, ah, man,
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  Speaker 4: I grew up on your comedy. I started listening to
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  Speaker 4: you when I was eight, I'm like going, oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: you're seeing they're like, you know, divorced. You're like, oh god,
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  Speaker 4: how old are myself? Yeah? I would say that's the
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  Speaker 4: type of stuff makes me feel old.
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  Speaker 1: I want to I want to go back a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't mine, I want to know. You know
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  Speaker 1: what got Bill Burr into comedy.
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  Speaker 4: For at a childhood? Somebody happy he gets into this
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  Speaker 4: stuff used to then the delusions of fame get into
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  Speaker 4: your head and then you somehow get into it. Uh No,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I definitely liked it when I was growing up,
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  Speaker 4: but I got into it by chance where you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm old man. So like I was watching it in
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  Speaker 4: the seventies and eighties, but like show business was like
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  Speaker 4: it was a million miles away. It was impossible. It
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  Speaker 4: was not something that you could do, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just take out a camera and start filming yourself. So
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  Speaker 4: I grew up Massachusetts suburbs, so I thought, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you had to be in Hollywood to get into it.
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  Speaker 4: Like I had no idea. There was this huge stand
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  Speaker 4: up scene in in uh Massachusetts. So I was working
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  Speaker 4: in a warehouse and I was working with this guy
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  Speaker 4: and he was into stand up the way I was.
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  Speaker 4: And he was funny as hell. And one night we
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  Speaker 4: were we used to uh used to go over his
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  Speaker 4: house have a couple of beers before we went out,
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  Speaker 4: you know, save some money, and he was we were
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  Speaker 4: watching stand up, but he was going, Bill, what funny
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  Speaker 4: than these guys like and you know, he goes one
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  Speaker 4: one night, I'm gonna take a shot at Jack Daniels
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  Speaker 4: and go up on stage. And that's when it stopped
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  Speaker 4: being on TV and it was next to me, and
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  Speaker 4: I started thinking like, oh, wait a minute, if he
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  Speaker 4: can try it, I can try it. And still took
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  Speaker 4: me another five years to figure it out. I started,
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  Speaker 4: I started kind of late. Did you ever feel like
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  Speaker 4: you had to wear a dress a fuck a cock?
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  Speaker 4: You know in Hollywood?
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  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 4: No, And that whole theory is ridiculous, But that's what's
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  Speaker 4: going on out there, that there's more pedophiles in Hollywood
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  Speaker 4: than there aren't plumbing. It's like, it's it's a problem,
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  Speaker 4: why plumbing, I don't know, just like regular jobs, directing,
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  Speaker 4: like directing, like every pedophile in jail like created, you know,
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  Speaker 4: freaking you know. It's like no, it's like they're like,
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  Speaker 4: that's what's going on. What's funny is what's going on
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  Speaker 4: in Hollywood is going on in most businesses, where it's
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  Speaker 4: like there's a lot of people working over time, not
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  Speaker 4: getting paid, not getting credit and getting pushed down and
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  Speaker 4: people at the top taking more and more. But the
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  Speaker 4: problem with Hollywood is is those idiots stay in Hollywood
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  Speaker 4: and they look at most of the country like flyover states,
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  Speaker 4: and then they go on these stupid you know, awards shows,
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  Speaker 4: and they talk down to them, and then that makes
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  Speaker 4: them hate them, and then they love to see somebody
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  Speaker 4: going down. The whole thing is it's like traveling is depressing, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because what you find is everybody really is the same,
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  Speaker 4: like all of this stuff, like, you know, all these
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  Speaker 4: people are evildoers and they're this and that, and you
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  Speaker 4: go over there and it's just everybody's the same. You know,
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  Speaker 4: everybody you know wants to have money, to have a sandwich,
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  Speaker 4: you want to find love, you want to be feel safe.
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  Speaker 4: That's everybody is like that. But then they just they
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  Speaker 4: just you know, the sociopaths get the dumb people wound up.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like New York and La have no idea
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  Speaker 5: what the rest of the country is actually, Like if
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  Speaker 5: you grew up in New York and you grew up
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  Speaker 5: in LA, you don't know what the real bubbles like.
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  Speaker 4: New Yorkers are some of the worst traveled people you
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  Speaker 4: ever gonna meet. They're hilarious everywhere they go. They would
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  Speaker 4: go to Guam and be like, oh, I go to Guam.
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  Speaker 4: I try to get a bacon, egg and cheese, and
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  Speaker 4: the ladies looking at me like, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 4: This place sucks. Where are the skyscrapers? Like that's what
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  Speaker 4: cracks you about New York is Like what It's like
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  Speaker 4: the point of traveling is to get something different. Like
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  Speaker 4: they go to La and they try to get a bacon,
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  Speaker 4: egg and cheese. It's like, get a taco? What are
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  Speaker 4: you doing when in Rome? Right? Yeah, I wouldn't come
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  Speaker 4: here and try to get a burrito. I've seen Mexican
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  Speaker 4: foods here. I just start laughing. It's like, no, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not doing that's closest music.
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  Speaker 2: Got a taco bell, That's that's usually what.
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  Speaker 4: I love that you said that because Mexicans all think
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  Speaker 4: that white people think taco bell is authentic Mexican food.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, we're not that. That is crazy. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: know Olive Garden is not a town. I understand that
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  Speaker 4: they have hoarded out.
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  Speaker 5: What did Bilberg want to be before he became a comedian?
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  Speaker 5: You just always wanted to do comedy.
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  Speaker 4: I was just failing at everything. I did horrible in school.
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  Speaker 4: I did good in school until it mattered. I was weird.
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  Speaker 4: I did really good right up till eighth grade, and
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  Speaker 4: then once college started paying attention. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 4: just that's you know, I'm not going to get into it.
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  Speaker 4: But that's when I'll like the ass hit the fan
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  Speaker 4: with a lot of stuff. So then, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what. I tried construction. I wasn't good at that landscaping.
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  Speaker 4: I worked in warehouses. I knew I didn't want a boss,
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  Speaker 4: and I also knew that I didn't want to go
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  Speaker 4: into the same building for more than a year because
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  Speaker 4: a few times I had jobs for over a year
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  Speaker 4: and there was just something so depressing because you were
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  Speaker 4: working for somebody else's dream and it was like a
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  Speaker 4: year earlier, I was standing right here. I have not
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  Speaker 4: moved anywhere. I'm another year older. So yeah, and you know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm depressed now. I was been here for fifteen years.
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  Speaker 4: If I wasn't sitting in a throne, I was unloading
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  Speaker 4: trust this guy's drinking from a chalice, Like I feel
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  Speaker 4: good about this, I scented candle. No, I wasn't like
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  Speaker 4: unloading trucks and getting hammered and driving drunk stuff you
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  Speaker 4: did in the eighties. I mean that was basically what
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  Speaker 4: it was. So and I was going part time to
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  Speaker 4: college because idn't have money to go to college, so
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  Speaker 4: I was paying my own way through it, and I
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  Speaker 4: had already stayed back in first grade, so I just
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  Speaker 4: felt like hopelessly behind until I started hanging out, you know,
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  Speaker 4: with people that were into comedy, and then somehow I
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  Speaker 4: found it and uh yeah, then I remember doing that,
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  Speaker 4: and then that was just like, all right, this is
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  Speaker 4: what this is what I'm supposed to do, because everything
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  Speaker 4: else I was doing I just never felt I always
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  Speaker 4: never felt like this is not it. I don't feel
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  Speaker 4: like these people aren't the same kind of weird than
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  Speaker 4: I am. You know, why do you think you're weird? Though?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, like I think we're all like messed up
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  Speaker 4: a little bit. Why don't think I'm weird? I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if I if I knew why I was weird,
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be weird.
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  Speaker 5: I think I think you got a lot of common sense.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, this guy is just he's just since human being.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I've learned from a lot of failures. Your own
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  Speaker 4: are others, oh, my own okay, oh and also others.
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  Speaker 4: Well that you know, I had a great education when
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  Speaker 4: I got in to stand up the Big eighties. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know how old you guys are, but the Big
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  Speaker 4: eighty Okay, So the big eighties boom where stand up
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  Speaker 4: comedy clubs exploded and all that, and then it just
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  Speaker 4: got to the point you could just put like a
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  Speaker 4: microphone anywhere and people would show up for comedy. So
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  Speaker 4: the quality of it went down, and everybody was doing
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people were doing blow, getting paid in
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  Speaker 4: cash in and blow and all of that type of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And then it all came crashing down, and then the
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  Speaker 4: irs showed up and everything, and then I then I started,
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  Speaker 4: like I walked in like you know, the end of
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  Speaker 4: the party. Balloons were on the ground, confetti, everybody passed out,
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  Speaker 4: and I saw these headliners that were getting their wages
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  Speaker 4: garnished and they had to talk to the irs to
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  Speaker 4: go do some you know, funny Bone in another state
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  Speaker 4: and everything. So my generation kind of learned like, all right, man,
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  Speaker 4: you can party this away in about seven eight crucial years,
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I learned from that. And then, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, any young comics watching this year. Twenties and
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  Speaker 4: thirties are difficult because you're struggling. And then also you
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  Speaker 4: do that comparison thing like well you started the same
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  Speaker 4: time I did, and you're here and I'm here, So
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  Speaker 4: I must be doing something wrong, and then I start
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  Speaker 4: hating you for some stupid reason, and then like that
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  Speaker 4: takes up a lot of energy, and then one day
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  Speaker 4: you just basically figured out like, all right, I'm making
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  Speaker 4: the decisions here. I you know, I'm doing well and
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  Speaker 4: not doing well by what I'm thinking rather than this
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  Speaker 4: this other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever want to quit once?
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  Speaker 4: No, one time I thought I wasn't gonna make it. It
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  Speaker 4: was the only time I ever thought it. When was
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  Speaker 4: this you bomb? No, No, I happen all the time.
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  Speaker 4: That's just part of this stuff. I was doing the
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  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say where it was because it's a
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  Speaker 4: sad story. We're gonna bump you out.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So I was doing this this this this club that
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  Speaker 4: I've just been going to for years and years and
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  Speaker 4: years and years and years. Every other year I would
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  Speaker 4: go there New Hour, going to get them, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm in with the Warning Radio guys. And
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  Speaker 4: the same thirty people were showing up. So it was
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  Speaker 4: after the late show and I was sitting there, you know,
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  Speaker 4: wreaking a smoke because you could smoke. All three shows
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  Speaker 4: smelt like I thought a fire. My eyes were all
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  Speaker 4: burning and I was just looking at the wait staff
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  Speaker 4: and they were life as they had been there before,
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  Speaker 4: and they were older, a little bit heavier, and they
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  Speaker 4: were counting up that money and they were smoking their cigarettes,
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  Speaker 4: and the same amount of people had showed up. And
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  Speaker 4: that was the first time I like this thought went
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  Speaker 4: in my head, like of like, wait a minute, am
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  Speaker 4: I the guy who doesn't make it? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: My god?
• 10:38
  Speaker 4: The panic of that. I went back to the comedy
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  Speaker 4: condo and I was just laying in bed trying to
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  Speaker 4: turn it around, and my brain was just no, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you're the guy is not going to make it. So
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  Speaker 4: that was Yeah. Then I got back to New York
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  Speaker 4: and it was better, you know. I came you know,
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  Speaker 4: after the gig, I came back and then just like
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  Speaker 4: the energy, I had a couple of good sets, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Sunday night at the Boston Comedy Club was a huge
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  Speaker 4: was a huge turning point for me in my career,
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  Speaker 4: probably how I ended up here right now, and that
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  Speaker 4: that would that would get me to think positive.
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  Speaker 5: And you said you never bombed, right, And I'm all
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  Speaker 5: the time you have, but I.
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  Speaker 4: Don't think you bombed, Bill.
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  Speaker 5: I think that people don't know if they should laugh
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  Speaker 5: at what you're saying, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know what I mean? Maybe now, but no, no, I
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  Speaker 4: remember bombing so bad one time. This was comedy club
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  Speaker 4: called Mixed Nuts that's now called the Comedy Union. That
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  Speaker 4: was the black club, right. So I went down there,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, it's funny. I started doing those rooms because
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  Speaker 4: I used to listen to Richard Pryor so like his
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  Speaker 4: albums were so live that you could like picture the crowd.
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  Speaker 4: So I had this idea of what a crowd looked like.
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  Speaker 4: It was weird. I'm white as hell on that like
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  Speaker 4: that was my idea of what a crowd was. So I,
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  Speaker 4: you know, ended up doing those rooms along with the
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  Speaker 4: white rooms. Right. So I was on stage bombing so bad,
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  Speaker 4: like like this right here, silence, and I just remember
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  Speaker 4: hearing this woman's voice in the back. She just goes,
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  Speaker 4: I ain't laughed yet about ten minutes, and then that
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  Speaker 4: was the biggest laugh of the said. Everybody laughed, and
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  Speaker 4: then they just started talking amongst themselves. And I did
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  Speaker 4: not say I did know how to turn it around.
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  Speaker 4: It was and there's something It's bad enough bombing in
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  Speaker 4: front of your own people, but bombing in front of
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  Speaker 4: another race of people knowing that you're taking down a
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: bunch of other white comics with you, like, because everybody
• 12:34
  Speaker 4: it's just like I don't like corny as mother. You
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: know it's not just me. Yeah, there are others out there.
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  Speaker 4: They're funny. Yeah it was bad. You liked Richard pryor
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: what's your favorite m Maybe it was it something I said,
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  Speaker 4: the one. I can't say half of them. You're gonna
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  Speaker 4: get me in trouble half time. That was the set.
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  Speaker 4: I'm lucking, I got a good night's sleep. I like
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  Speaker 4: that Edwork's crazy. I will say I bought I bought
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  Speaker 4: his albums because he just looked funny. That was the
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: first one I bought that Edward was crazy when when
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  Speaker 4: he was pointing like that just he just looked funny.
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: And that's how I bought the first Eddie Murphy. Up.
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  Speaker 4: I bought the first Eddie Murphy album because I was like, well,
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  Speaker 4: he's also black, he must be funny. And that was
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  Speaker 4: the first one we had the rose in his ear.
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  Speaker 4: See how that works?
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  Speaker 5: So you did represent for all white comics because you
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  Speaker 5: see one funny black comedy think yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's how it was. No, that's how it works. And
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  Speaker 4: so It's almost like I found a genre of music,
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  Speaker 4: so I would listen to it. I listened to all
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: of his stuff, and I just, uh, there was something
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  Speaker 4: about the way he did it, which I didn't understand
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: it as a kid, but the way he did the
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: way he trashed white people, he got you to listen
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  Speaker 4: to him and laugh at yourself. Where I think when
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: by the time def jam came around, crack eighties and
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: all of that, like where black comedy was, it was
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  Speaker 4: like all right, enough for this like sort of pussy
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  Speaker 4: footing around, you know, So then it was more like
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  Speaker 4: that was like a different thing. But like what I
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  Speaker 4: loved about Richard was like you like rooted for him,
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  Speaker 4: You felt like you knew him. It was really insane.
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  Speaker 4: I like, and I think he's the greatest of all time,
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  Speaker 4: and I think it's even.
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  Speaker 1: Close during that time, during that era when it seems
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  Speaker 1: like that crack time where deaf comedy jam and the
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  Speaker 1: comedy shows, was it hard for you to book in
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  Speaker 1: those black rooms? Was it was like here comes the
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  Speaker 1: white comedian again.
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  Speaker 4: No, that was the irony. It was hard for them
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  Speaker 4: and you you, yeah, you had to like vouch for
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  Speaker 4: him and everything, and the club owners right in front
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  Speaker 4: of Yeah, you don't do that deaf jam stuff, do
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  Speaker 4: you? You're not like MF and m FIN talking about you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what I can say on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah you're not, you're not, you're not. Oh wait, you
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  Speaker 4: said sucking dick earlier the second I yeah. So they
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  Speaker 4: would literally say that, and that was embarrassing when you'd
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: be standing there going like so, but what they're they
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  Speaker 4: you'd come on, They didn't is they would just say,
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  Speaker 4: I go up, do you think? And they I felt
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: like guys, Like all of those guys I worked for Talent,
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  Speaker 4: Drew Fraser, Rob Stapleton, Kelly Capone, all the New York kings.
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  Speaker 4: I used to do all of those rooms and uh,
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  Speaker 4: oh god, those are all the memories of that one.
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  Speaker 4: I remember Gerald Kelly had a room. Oh god, it
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  Speaker 4: was a brutal room. It was somewhere in like Newark
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  Speaker 4: and like the two thousands, and I remember that. I
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: remember this comedian was it ros g or something, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: rest her soul. She was on stage. She's super loud,
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: and she was super loud, and they weren't laughing at anything,
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: and she ended a safe She's like god, damn She's like,
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know who's coming up next, but he better
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: be funny because you motherfuckers ain't laughing. It's shit. And
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: then she brought me up and Gentleman Bilburgh didn't gonna
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: laugh at least. No, you know, it's weird. I went up,
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: had an okay set and I felt like I bombed
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: at anything, and randomly Chris Weber was there and he
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: came up, but he told me I was funny, and
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: it was little things like that. I'm like, well, this
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: guy's famous, this guy's successful. He thinks I'm funny, so
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: I think I'll be all right.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Do you change your thit when you're doing black rooms
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: versus white rooms?
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: I try not to. Early on I did. I'd be
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: on stage all of a sudden, I hear myself tagging
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: all my jokes with you know what I'm saying, and
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: I'd be like, why am I doing that? Why am
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: I doing that? Stop? Stop doing that?
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: But you just would, and.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Then it was an easy way. It's an easy way
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: to get through those rooms. You can just be like,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I'm the white guy and I'm scared, and that's sort
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: of how you do it initially, just to get your
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: feet wet in those rooms. And then basically then it
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: becomes like, now can I actually go up here and
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: talk about what I want to talk about? Wear a
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Bruin's T shirt, you know, hockey T shirt. And I
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: started experimenting with that, and I remember Patrice giving me
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: rest Is Soul Trey so new. Yeah, going like Bill's
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: trying to do his white shit in these black rooms.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it all dependent on the crowd.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: It all dependent on the crowd. But I felt like
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: it's a weird thing where I feel like it's harder
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: to be a black comic in a black room than
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: it is to be a black comic in a white room,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: and vice versa, because you can just play fish out
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: of water, like, oh wow, this is all different, gee, Louise,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm all nervous up here and just literally
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: play into the stereotype. That's the easy laugh one hundred percent.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: But not early on I forgive any of it, because
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: you're just trying to survive, because it's like, you know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: that's like not something like white people don't experience being
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: the only you a lot. You know, we just sort
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: of walk in ouh more white shit, you know, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: you just live that. So the first experience, and that's
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: was funny. When I first started doing those rooms, I
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: didn't see black people as individuals. I just saw black people.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: And as I kept doing them and doing them, I
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: started to see individuals. Oh, this guy's like my buddy Mitch.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: This guy's like you know, And I started to see, Oh,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: this guy's a good guy. This guy's a piece of shit,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: and this guy steals jokes, this guy's you know, and
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: it's like, oh, this is just like white people.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask, you know, back in the day,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: what you name some of those comedians from Talent to Compone,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: It seems like comedy.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Had a brotherhood, like you'll f with each other.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Now it doesn't seem like that, especially with Kat William
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: throwing missiles at everybody. Was it a brotherhood back then
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: or was it always competition in missis now?
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: It always was? It just you couldn't you couldn't air
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: your grievances on social media and that type of stuff.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Like no, there still is, like there still is like
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: a comrade, especially the people that you like you start
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: out with when you go up and you're doing like
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: open mics and stuff, it's just one impossible situation after another,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: and you just get thrown into these things and you
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: sort of bond with each other through just you know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: I mean I did gigs, like we don't have a microphone.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Is that going to be a problem. We're just gonna
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: have you stand here in this hall. Oh my god. No,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: it was just like some of the stuff, some of
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: the places, and then you would just what kept you
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: going was your friend in the crowd laughing at you,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: watching you trying to figure this situation out. So there's
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: definitely that. But you know, people focus on the negative
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: or whatever. So I mean, generally speaking, we get along.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: It's nowhere difference than other other stuff.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: Now, when you see the black comedians going back and
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: forth with each other, what do you think about that?
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Do you do you even look at it as the
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: black communia? You just look at his comedians, no comedians,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: because white comedians are doing it too. Really, Yeah, what's what?
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: What's your colubsation? Oh uh, you know, I don't know
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: because I'm old, but like there's definitely you know, I'm
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: an old school guy where I look at all that
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: stuff like that's locker room stuff. And if you have
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: a problem with somebody, you should go to them and
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: say it. That's how I came up. And then also like, I, uh,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: you know, but this is difficult. I don't need to
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: make it any more difficult. There's people I like, people
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: maybe I don't like, but I don't need to walk
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: them around, Like what good does that do me to do?
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: That's but that's me, so you know, other people do
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: it differently.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: Have you ever heard that somebody didn't like you for
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: a reason, any particular reason.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah. People thought I was a dick. They thought I
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: was like aloof because I when I first started, they
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: thought I was like, you know, if you're quiet and
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: you're actually doing well, people get in their head and
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: they thought, oh, he's not talking to me because he
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: doesn't like me, And it wasn't. I was like a mess.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: I was questioning everything that I had done in the
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: previous five minutes. But some people took it like he's
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: not talking to me because he doesn't think I'm funny.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: So I definitely had a few of those. And I
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: was also an angry guy, so I probably about oh Jesus,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: just stuff. I don't want to get into stuff that
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: makes you be a comedian. The usual I have. I
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: have the you want to talk about hackey. I have
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: all of the hacky background you need to get into
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: this business. So, uh, you know, I could have had
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: a much simpler life.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of us. I mean, I deal with,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: you know, anxiety on a high level, you know what
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: I mean. I think a lot of people do. But
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: I think most people who have a high level of
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: self awareness really do because we're just aware that we're
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: dealing with something that we're willing to acknowledge and other
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: people aren't.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, every time I think I'm getting insane,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know, something else happens, and like you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: like having kids and stuff. Really, you know, it really
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: holds a mirror. My daughter said the cutest thing to
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: me the other day. She goes, Dad, can you stop
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: being mad now? And I just burst it out laughing,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, all right, all right, that's good.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: But the way I came, I would never say that
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: to my dad. So I do feel like I've done.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: What I do like about my kids is that they're
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: not afraid of me at all. They took me like
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: a freaking bouncy house. But uh so, yeah, I've tried.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: I've tried to you know, I've tried to undo some things.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're not afraid of you, because you're probably raising
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: them with love, or at least my dad he raised
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: me with fear.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I believe he was afraid that I would make the
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: same with things he made. Oh, everyone was afraid of that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: You were afraid of other people's dads when I was
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: growing up because they could hit you. Yeah. Yeah, And
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: they had big cars, and they were always mad, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: they were coming home and you just saw like, you know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: like their wife scampering back into the house, you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: as they were pulling into the driveway. Yeah, the men
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: were scary when I was growing up. So I probably
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: overcorrected or whatever, but I'd rather have him coming up
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: this way. Yeah. My kids allowed you know, we were
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: not loud, like we were loud when mom was home.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: When dad was home, everybody just shut the hell up.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: And when he left, it was like a stack of
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: bricks off your chair. Wait until your dad got home.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, those I mean, it was funny. Was
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: he actually was a big softie? Was also it turns
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: out that way my mother was the one that beat us, damn. Yeah, Yeah,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: we deserved, you said.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Earlier, you always feel like things would be taken away
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: from you, like that from childhood or that cancel coach.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Like, what do you mean when you say that, No,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: this is before cancel culture. Well, because you I would.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: You would see guys like idiots would get a show
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: on the air and then immediately go buy a big
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: house in a car. But back in the day, they
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: would say you got to wait till the third season,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: so you know that it's rolling, and you would watch
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: guys blow all their money. I watched people get deals
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: up at Montreal and they put it all in the
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: dot com stock market. I knew that was I stay
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: away from that ship. When I was at the comic
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: strip and comedians stopped talking about comedy and they were
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: talking about stocks, going like, you know it's gonna split again,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: It's definitely gonna split again. I'm like, you are a dummy.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: You're a dummy. I'm a dummy. We should not be
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: talking about this shit. So I didn't put it in,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: but I saw guys lose all their money that way.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: There was guys I used to be, you know, looking
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: up like, oh my god, how do you get to
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: that level? And then their stuff starts to go like that,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: like this this business is it's not for the for
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: the week and you got to save your money. I
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: don't know. I'm trying to come with something positive here.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: It's a fun job though, it's a fun job. This
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: is a callback.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: And when you saw those white comics on that level,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: did you say to thyself, he sucked the dick to
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: get there?
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Did he wear a dress to get there? Like? Where
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: does that? What is that? What is that theory stigma
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: come from? Because I'm asking you you brought that up twice?
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because that's the that's the that's the stigma, Like
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: you know, the stigma is for black comics, you gotta
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: wear a dress to get to a certain level.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: You know, you did that ship According to Kat Williams
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: about tweets Milton Burrow, Milton Burrow made a whole career
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: like be like that comes from Vadne Williams. Yeah, he
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: played Missus Doubtfire, Tom Hanks was on Buzz and Buddies.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I mean it was just like it was kind of
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: the you know, we don't have a good idea, let's
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: put a guy in a dress. That's kind of what
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: it was. But I understand. You know, that's just one
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: of those white things where I don't have to look
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: at it like, oh, they're doing this because they're trying
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: to belittle me because they don't see me as human.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I don't have to deal with all the stuff you
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: guys got to deal with, So, like, I don't know
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: if it it's how much of that's true, how much
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: of it's paranoia? I mean, I can't speak on that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I have no idea, but like you know, I don't
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: you never wore dress, Yeah, and that whole sucking a
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: dick thing, Like it's like you just sort of nod
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: you never wear dress.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: He said, No, not that or that whole sucking addiction.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: It's more like you create a show, you go in,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: you pitch it to these people, they somehow take control
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: of it. You lose to create it by credit. They
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: make all the money you don't. That's that's the way
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: it usually works. It's not it's not like you want
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: a TV show. Huh, all right, problem I I and
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: you better do it good because I got another forty
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: guy's waiting to suck. It's like that's just I think
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: a lot of people want it to be that way
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: because it just makes him feel better about their lives
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: or where the fuck they're at. But it's just like, yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: like most of Hollywood is overworked, underpaid people not getting
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: credit for some shit that they created, and it happens
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: to everybody. It happens at different levels, and you have
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: to learn how to protect yourself, and nobody teaches you.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: You just go in there taking punches and then you go, oh,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: you know, and that that's usually how you learn, unless
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: there's a comic that kind of takes you under his
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: under his wing or something and teaches you, like, well,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: got for this. They're going to try to do that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Damon Wayne's was great at that. Oh word, I've heard
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: that before that he was great at that. Like he
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: barely knew me, and he you know, and he' said
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: he I saw you on TV funny Man. We stand
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: out in front of the cellar. He goes, what do
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: he got going on? And he just stood there. Damon
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Wade's I could believe it. He just stood there and
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: for like twenty minutes, He's going, uh huh, all right,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: all right, this is what they're going to try to do,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: and he just I was cooling, like, oh my god,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I know I just did this business was so ruthless,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: but I never forgot that, and that was something that
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I learned. It's like, all right, so if I get somewhere,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: like my job is to tell the younger kids, you
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: know how they're going to try to come in. That's
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: how they fuck you. Yeah, they don't care about they
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: can get a hooker or any time they want, or
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: whatever the hell they want. They're trying to take your
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: ideas and get the money. They got all kinds of
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: stuff they have. Like you remember back in the day,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: there was like points on a show, how many points
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: you had, and they literally invented points that didn't mean shit,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: so you would be you got forty points. I only
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: got thirty. But mine means something, Yours don't mean anything.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: It's the whole thing is. Yeah, like here's one for you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: It's way harder to prove somebody stole from you than
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: defamation of character. Figure that one out. So that basically
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: protects the thiefs. So when somebody steals from you, I
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: can't then go around town and say this guy stole
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: from me, stay away from him, blah blah. That gets
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: back to him. He can sue me and he can
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: just come up with the phony cost report, well, well
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: this mouse was thirty thousand dollars and this was fifteen,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: and whittle down what he stole and they get away
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: with it. Pad that experience. Will it Will it ever
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: be fair? Will ever be no? Because human beings are
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: completely flawed and it's God's fault because that's how he
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: makes us. So you need to stop going on Sunday
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: praising him. You need constructive criticism, Jesus, let people freak out.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Will freak out when you start making fun of God.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I'm down to hear you. I'm down to hear it out,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: all right, No, I just it's just an astoundingly like uh,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: not even dumb. Just not have an empathy, which is
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: the first level of intelligence. Is if you can't take
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: yourself out of yourself and look at somebody else, see
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: this situation and hear it that there's there's just a
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: level of life living life. You're not going to get passed.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: You're just not going to get past. And also they
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: got to stop naming stuff deliberately confusing, like white privilege.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Every white person I knew is like I didn't grow
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: up rich. That's how we took that shit. I don't
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: know why. I don't know who names the ship, but
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: like I didn't know what it meant. I was like,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: what are you talking about? I grew up in a
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: duplex with fucking squirrels in the line, So what would
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: you call it? What would I call white privilege?
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: No?
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: I would, ah, well, that's a good question, uh know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: being white. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: good at this, like coming up with band names and
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: shit like that. But like I didn't like, like it
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: meant how you like moved through the earth, through the world. Right.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: So one of the things I've been kind of having
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: fun with in the Red States is talking about the
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Klan and now there's all this stuff you can't do anymore,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: but you can still join that group. But I go,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: that's a great example of white privilege. You can still
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: join a terrorist organization as a white person and it's
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: protected under the others freedom of speech. And they start saying, well,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: you know, I don'tant to do the whole bit because
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: I want to I want to flesh this thing out first.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: But that's what they sit there, and then that's one
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: of the most fun things about doing stand up is
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: going to a place like that and doing some stuff
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: like that and getting them to hear it, and then
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: going to LA and kind of doing like the same thing,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: because they think people in Hollywood think that you just
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: put a BLM sign in the window, and that means
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: you know, you're like a saint, and it's like you
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: haven't done anything which you basically did was appeased your
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: your sense of responsibility. What are you talking about, I
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: put a sign in the window. I'm on the right
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: side of history. Or my favorite one was it was
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: white people marching in BLM marches filming themselves or Instagram,
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Look what a great person I am. So it's just like,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know a human being served interesting.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Is their comedy to be found in this year's election.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: I mean the joke I've been doing there like this
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: election is like you know, when Hollywood makes a shitty movie,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: you're like, man, that movie sucked, and then two years
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: later there's like a sequel and you're like, they're making
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: another one of these. That's how I look at this.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: I think, basically, it's not worth the job's not worth
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: the headache. And I think that the house in the
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Senate basically voting that you can't prosecute us for insider trading.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: And they're all worth twenty to forty million dollars. And
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: you watch CNN and Fox News, you know who's supposed
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: to be these journalists just completely leave them alone. It's like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: why do I want that job? I can just sit here,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: no one knows who I am other than in my state.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: I can make my forty million move to another state,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: no one knows who I am. You know, get a
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: boat and some coke and some wares, and I'm good. Right,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: That's like, that's how they look at it, like CNN
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Fox If I was running shit, CNN Fox News would
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: be shut down. They are anti American. All they do
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: every day their businesses divide us and and then who
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: they go after, they just go after. The reason why
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: comedians have been getting so much shit is because we
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: don't advertise on their network, so we're just soft targets. Right,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: That's why I could the beginning of the pandemic. You
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: remember that kid who he hoarded all the hand sanitizer,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: one of the greatest fucking gambles ever because they was
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: a SARS is coming and all of this shit this
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: kid said, all, I think this stuff is real, and
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: he had a whole garage full of hand sanitizer and
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: he was up in the price by one hundred percent
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: and seeing ah, they were just dragging this kid. How
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: could you do that? And then meanwhile, like big pharmaceutical companies,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: it's like four to sixty bucks for a leukemia pill
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: and that's totally fine. Why is that fine? Because they're
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: making money off them, so they're not going to, like,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: you know, bite the hand that feed. So this is
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the shit that like you think about when you're alone
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: a lot on the road and it eventually makes you
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: go crazy. So I just I have decided what. I
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: just sort of like I don't pay attention to like anything.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I try not to, but then and when I do,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: it's like heartbreaking. Like there's there's a uh, there's a
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: documentary about the Ukraine that came out one an oscar
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: and I just saw the trailers. I just was most
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: heartbreaking thing you've ever seen.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: It's almost like ignorance is bliss, right, Like that's what
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: you realize unless you know happier you are.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or like uh, I don't know. Yeah, it's weird.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: It's weird and then dumb people think they know everything.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: M M. Sure I had this works, let me, I
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: got it all figured out. Yeah, so that's why I realized, Yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know shit.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Does cancel culture scare you at all? It made you change,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you said.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: You see a lot of comedians change the set, change
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: how they talk, change what they talk about.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Well, that was something that, like most movements, started with
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: something good, you know, and then was quickly co opted
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: by people with their own interest and then it just
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: completely lost its way.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And like, is a good thing because because medians were
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: usually the ones that well I think you.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Laugh, you know, but if there was people no, but
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: the initial thing that there's these people out there sex
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: abusing people like that was good to get rid of
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: those people that that wasn't bad. But then all of
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: a sudden it's spun into what are you talking about
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: in your act? You know? I worked with an actor
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: she got she got canceled for an analogy. Well and
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: it was and it was all politics. The girl on
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Star Wars. It was she didn't want to get the
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: she didn't want to get the COVID shot, and then
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: she made some sort of Nazi Germany analogy, right, Well, no,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: it'll do if it goes against the politics, if it
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: went across, if she was coming the other way, if
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: she was coming like the other way, then I don't
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: think it doesn't land that way, because I gotta be
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: honest with you, Like Hitler and Nazi analogies and comedy
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: are like are hackey, it's forever been this guy's the
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: next Hitler blah blah blah blah blah or something like that,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: so you know, like I don't know it, so it's
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: it's it's I kind of like didn't really notice it
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: was happening that I was kind of on stage going like, oh,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: I just said that, what if somebody just takes that clip?
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: And as I didn't realize I was doing that till
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I did. Dave Chappelle was doing COVID shows and I
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: went there and nobody had a phone, and just the
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: freedom of that, not like I was gonna go out
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: and say something ignorant, but just not having to worry
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: about that when they were really kind of common for people,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: because I think it's like died down, but it was
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: a while. It just seemed like they had to throw
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: a log on the fire every month and eat whether
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: they had somebody or not. And the wrong Nazi Germany
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Hitler reference will get you in any air. Look, it's all.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: It depends on your intent. It depends on your intent.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: I did Nazi jokes when I was in Germany, and
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: they would die and laugh because it was just like,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: what was it. I was just talking about all their accomplishments, like,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: you know what's amazing about you guys, you know all
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: the accomplishments you made, you know, with the automobile, you know, weaponry,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: audio tape. I just was listing all their accomplishments. I go,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: and then you just pick one wrong guy and it
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: all goes to hell. And I just started talking about yeah,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: because and then they filmed it so they can't refute it. Oh,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: that was a joke I was doing. Yeah, how Germany
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: they actually have shame for what they did. And it's
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: not because they're better white people. It's because they're oppressed people. One.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: They have to they have to acknowledge it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: The natification though, that is that's what That's what that was. Yeah,
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: it was them having shame for what they did and
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: you know, cleaning everything up.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: I find neo like neo Nazis are fascinating to me
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: because like they're all like to support the troops people
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: and they're like neo Nazis and it's like, well, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: the troops were fighting the Nazis. Like just how all
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: of that gets blurred after time?
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: It's weird, not that one little piece you just said,
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Neo Nazis a fast needing to be Yeah, clip that
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: going on Twitter?
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there it is. You have a field day.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: I find them intriguing. How big of a deal is
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: it now for a comedian to have a special Yeah,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: I still think it's it's a to have a good one.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: If you have a whatever one, it's I don't know
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: what it's going to do for you. But uh, I'm
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: old school. I still like I'm like one of those
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: you know guys now in your business they just make
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: singles and stuff like that. So that's starting to become
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: that like have a special chopping up. That's what the
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: younger kids are doing. I'm still of the I'm still
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: making albums, So I don't know if that's stupid or whatever,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: but that's that's how I do it. But I'm also
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: the belief that like, as long as you're doing quality
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: people are going to come and see yeah, and saying consistent.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: It seems like a comedy ted talk. He's a very
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: in depth question.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I just want to know I'm jointed, and I was.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I was performing a FM way Paul.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Oh, that was one of those things that was so big,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Like I don't think I even mentally dealt it with
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: it until like two years.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: After I did it, thirty five thousand people.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that. I felt like I was on
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: led Zeppelin. They had a police escort. We drove into
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: the thing, you know, as good is. I was there
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: for a week because I got family up there, so
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: I always go back in the summer. And you got
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: a family up there, I have family relatives. No, No,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: I've looked a lot of lives. He's a waitress. Early
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: on in my career, we weren't a good place. Now, No,
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: I was, And I was walking around town and people say, hey, man,
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: you know, good luck on the show, you know, blah blah.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: So I kind of felt like the city was behind me,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: which was another thing to like they have to like
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: think about. So, yeah, I went up there, and what
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize is like they've so perfected the sound
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: and the screens and everything. It was just like this
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: giant comedy club and you always killing me. People kept
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: going like, just make sure you take it all in
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: when you're up there. Just make sure, you know, you
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: take a moment for yourself. It's like, this is comedy.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: I can't do that. Well. The second I take a
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: moment with myself, I'm immediately bombing. So what I kept
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: doing was during Bigger Laughs, was just looking out Oklahoma
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Plate where it said Fenway Park, and that was That's
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: just it was mind blowing and uh yeah. And then
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: we got to let us hang up in right field
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: smoking cigars and we my my family. We used to
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: always get tickets the blue seats up and right field,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: so it was kind of up there. It was really
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, that was something. So that was that was
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: a one time only because you want to do it again.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: It's like, no, no, I don't think there's any point
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: to go back. Lotter request with tickets oh from people,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Uh you know, it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: you know. It was was nerve wracking, though. Was my
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: high school reunion also? Was there? No, they just decided
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: to go to the show and that, and it's just
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: like that's just like a weird thing, where like when
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: I meet people from high school, like, you know, I
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: had a really cool class, so like I'm still the
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: person I was and and so are they. It's just
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: I'm doing this weird thing. So that was kind of
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I had to block that out a little bit where
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: I to be like, you know, all those girls who
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: were afraid to talk to you go back to being like,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: you know, a little billy, redheaded kid in like ninth grade.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: So I had to like, Okay, I gotta block this
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: shit out and do my job. You just stun on
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: them a little bit. Nah, that my time to do that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: I blew it, and I just accepted. I took the
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: loss and I kept moving forward. I don't do I
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: don't go back. No, you married right, yeah, to a
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: black woman. If I'm not mistaken? Yeah, how does that happen?
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: How does that happen?
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: How does that happen?
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Saying a white guy from I watched, like, you know,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: I watched different strokes growing up, and I had a
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: crush on Janet Jackson. How does that happen? When'd you meet?
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: First time I met her, I was with her dad,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: who was booking The Apollo. So I was doing showtime
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: with the Apollo, and she was standing out back. Oh
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: she's black black, So I light skinned black people in
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: at the Apollo. It was my wife is gorgeous. He's gorgeous.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: So that was one thing, but I didn't really I
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: I came and was coming up the backstairs and someone
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: was getting booed, and I just remember thinking like, why
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: am I doing this? I didn't need to do this.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: This all started with like that Patrician shit where he
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: was always, you know, fucking with you. So he was like,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: you have a good set, and he would just and
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: then he started talking about talents room, talent Will's room
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: around the corner, saying like, you know, there's a bunch
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: of comics over there that ten times funnier than all
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: you white guys, and da da da da da, and
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: you know, so it kind of felt like all right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: He was like, I just want a championship, and somebody saying, oh,
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: there's some guys across the way that could kick your ass.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: They're not allowed in the league. So it's like, all right,
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I gotta go play him. So I started doing those rooms,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: and then that led and then I was thinking, like, well,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: there's be great. I'll do the black rooms. I'll also
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: do the white rooms, and then I can get that draw.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: That crowd that I heard on those Richer prior albums
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: didn't happen. But I ended up doing the Apollo and uh,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: that's where I met her. But I met her again
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: on Tough Crowd. She was doing Tough Crowd with Colin
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Quinn and we kind of hit it off, and I
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: remember I just kept asking her ound. She just kept
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: being a jerk, and right as I was a typical woman,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: right the second I was like, you know what, the
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: hell with her? The hell with her? Ended up running
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: into her, and then all of a sudden she was
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: like really nice and we were hanging out. Oh my god,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: this guy was cock blocking me so bad that night,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: on such an epic level.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Don't blame him, obviously.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: No, it's because no, if it be no, why what
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: do you mean?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, because he's so beautiful that you understand why
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: he would come.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: That's not why he was doing I No, you don't
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: have all the information. Give an informasic is this guy's
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: advocating cock blockers. I was like, why did you get that?
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Chair advocating that shit. No, he was doing it because
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: he was miserable in his own relationship. So like he
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: saw me like and it was like, you know, it
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: was like fireworks, like we just like, I mean, love
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: it first night and yeah, like I've I've only met
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: two people that had like a vibe like her in
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: my life, and the first one was a dude. He
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: was just so that wasn't no, he was like no,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: just walked in the room, you know, and you just
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: knew the person was coming the room. She has that vibe, right,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: so uh old on, you got to clear that m
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: that will be clear. But you didn't date the guy nothing. No,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna make show of black people. Lego, this homophobia.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: You always got to check, like what are you doing
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: manicured eyebrows, Like I'm gonna sit here and act like
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: you're all good over there, Like you don't swing a
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: lego with the fence every once in a while. You
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: got fucking sandals on and white socks. You look like
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: you just came from a steam room. Yeah No, I
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: just mean, like like I I always paid attention to
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: energy because my energy was terrible. I was like all
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: introverted and blah blah blah blah. So I was fascinated
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: with people that were just free. So that's what I meant. Okay,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: we're gonna go back to sucking dick for a show again.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Guy's a one trick pony over here. So we go.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: We go to like hang out right, No, So we're
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: like vibing and everything, and I literally had to say
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: to the dude he was like a chick. I'd be like, hey, man, sorry,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not paying attention to you. That's how they fuck
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: he was. I was just like, you know, I'm hitting
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: it off with him. Man, I think this is going
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: all right. Right, So the end of the night comes,
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: the end of the stand up show, and he just
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: comes walking over. He goes, so, hey, you guys want
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: to go get something to eat? Right, and he invites
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: her and everybody. Now I'm at this fucking table and
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: there was like, you know, ten other people there, and
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: he's all the way down the end and he's still
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: like yelling down shit, trying to interrupt any of my
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: talking to her. I think, I mean so long ago.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I just remember one point that check came and I
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: didn't have any money, so I said, I'll put just
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: give me the cash, I'll put her on my card.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: He's like, oh, he's just trying to get the miles
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: like that's like that's how he was doing it, right, Hey.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: So everybody goes to leave, and now it's just oh no, no, no.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: It was the middle of the dinner, right or whatever
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: the fuck we were doing the cock block dinner, right,
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: And I finally just look at her. I just give up,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: right because he won't shut the fuck up. And I
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: finally just looked at her and I go, can I
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: at least split a cab with you? Home? So she
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: does that female thing, we why do you want to
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: split a cab with me? And I just said fuck
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: it all right. I was just thinking, I go because
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: I want to kiss you, right, okay? Right? So she
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: put her head down and smiled, and I was like,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: I got her. Fuck this guy, So I let him
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: do all his bullshit. Everybody leaves except for him, me
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: and who's going to become my future wife? And he
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: literally goes. He goes, he goes, where do you live?
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: What do you do? You live uptown? And she goes, yeah,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: I live a tongue. Oh I love it too. He goes,
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: you want to split a cab. He's trying to leave
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: with her, and she goes, no, I'm taking a ride home.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: I'm riding home with Bill. He's going like, oh no,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: but I live blah. He was so in his ship,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: he was so in his shit, like he didn't she said,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to say his name. She went so,
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: and so I'm splitting a cab with Bill and I
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: didn't have to. I didn't have to say ship. I
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: just stood there. And then he he left, and it
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: was funny. I don't talk to him for four days
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: and he calls me up. He's like, hey, what's going on?
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Like nothing, what's up? He's like, uh so, like what
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: you're not gonna You didn't call me because you thought
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: it was cock blocking you there other night And I'm
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: like you were He goes, no, I wasn't. I'm like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: why did you bring it up? That was the end
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: of that friendship. And you know, I just don't have time.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: I don't have time for that, you know what I mean.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: And plus it was also kind of teetering anyways. You
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: know it was obvious too.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, your you're a woman failed to w
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: NBA joke is one of the greatest social commentaries.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, thank you. I mean, I'm just I'm saying, yes,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: I appreciate that. How did you get how did you
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: get to that? I was watching ESPN and they were blaming.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: They were talking about like female sports not getting money
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that and all of that, and like
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: he's just being in entertainment. It's like you have to
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: put asses in the seats and that's what brings the
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: money in. So there was a point where, you know,
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: professional football wasn't doing as well as college football, and
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: these guys just kept working in and working it till
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: it became like what it was. And you know, there's
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: more women than there are men, So like, this is
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: not on us that women's sports at the very least
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: aren't being supported. So they're not being supported because you
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: guys aren't showing up. So that was the seed of
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: the bit. And I always forget my material.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: I forget how you pointed to what actually is successful
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: that women's support.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah reality TV, Yeah, which is
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: a bunch of women yelling at each other, yeah and fighting, yeah.
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, growing juice and drinks and water.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my wife likes those shows.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Have you seen the Texas the former Texans Funny that
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: place where it steel is now Cameron Johnson and they
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: when the headlines says steal a sign Bill Burr look alike.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've seen that. That's scary. Yeah, yeah, I
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: concur that guy does definitely look like me. It would
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: have been cool if he was a quarterback. But that
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: shows how how popular you are. Oh yeah, I guess so.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: I don't think any of that ship really Yeah. No,
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: that's the end of you, and that's the end of you.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: You start walking around these I don't know. I actually
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I kind of appreciate people that feel that way about themselves.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Then also, I don't understand it, but I mean when
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: you're standing there those people say that with their shirt
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: blowing in front of a fan, in front of their
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: own audience, that shit is hilarious to me. I don't
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: think you can go that far. But when you think
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: about your home, you got the sandals on, I could
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: see you're doing that, blowing your hoodie around. I'm just
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: gonna do it to you before you do it to me.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: How many times you wash that sweatshirt, by the way
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: that it looks like a white guys sweatshirt, threw it
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: in with the towels and okay, oh it's tied that.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but when you think about your humble beginning, then
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: you think about Finway Park.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: You got to take that in a little bit. Like
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: I came a long way, at least I did. I did,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: But like I get, I'm too afraid to That's basically
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: what it is. I'm too afraid to look at what
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I'm doing in situations like that because I need to perform.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: So if I get all into the you know, start
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: thinking of the magnitude of something. I just literally saw
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Kevin Hart's picture on the door man. It's one of
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: my favorite people in the business.
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: Kevin bought he used to buy his chairs. So that's
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: why we have him sitting in that chair because he
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: bought for the old three. He bought all the chairs.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite people. All I do, our
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: whole relationship is just giving each other ship. I don't
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: think I had actual conversation anyway. Yeah I don't. I
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: don't think of stuff like that. So I I I minimize, minimize, minimized, minimize.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: So because I had horrible anxiety when I started out, Yeah,
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: so I had to figure out how to get The
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: only way I could figure out how to get it
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: past it was to look at the stuff that I
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: was doing and act like it wasn't a big deal,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: just a job. They come in here, they get sitters
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: and pay you know, money to come here. I come here,
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: I make them laugh, they leave, hopefully they come back,
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: and I just sort of reduce it to that, and
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: then I don't know. Then I come on a show
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: like this and you start bringing stuff up, and that's
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: when I think, that's when I first start thinking about it. Look,
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: I'm getting uncomfortable now, look at the ready to go right,
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: just thinking talking about that ship. That all comes back
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: also comes back to like just like, uh, I don't
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: know this weird, like low self esteem and then also
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: like not accepting compliments. I haven't figured that part of
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: me out past syndrome. Oh my god, first time. Yeah.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: I always like that's the thought that every time I
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: get off stage, My thought is did I make him
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: laugh enough that they're gonna come back? And I club
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Soda Kenny, I like, he like reassures me. I clubs
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: club Soda Kenny is my club sort of Candy Kenny
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: Kenny Kenny you know, I'm suspicious crazy. I'm just doing
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: it back to you. Uh club soda Kenny legendary, uh
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: former police officer, tour manager and uh security guy. This
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: he's like, I made it. I made a short film
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: with him. I gotta I gotta put it up on
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: your your website. So he's the guy when I get offstage.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: He's you know, works with Dice, He's worked with everybody,
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: and uh so he knows. And he's also you know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: he's a cop jersey guy. You know, he talks like Deuce,
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: like straight shooter. He's not going to be like, no,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: I was a good one, always good to blah blah blah.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: And then you know, I get the pat on the back.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: I know I I had a good one. So yeah,
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: that that is my thought. I don't walk off stage,
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: you know, oh god, I'm not going to use that reference.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Tot'll start some shit. I don't walk off stage thinking
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: I'm the ship. I walk off stage thinking I hope
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: that was good enough that they come back.
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: So that was crazy because I'm literally still starstruck. Just
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: remember when I just walked past the room and I
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: was like, oh shit, Bilbert's Bilberg, how are you doing
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: and he was just looking like it was like not
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: at all, like, oh, yeah, you know, I am that guy.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: It was just real cool.
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: And the first time you made me laugh was Racial Drafts.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: The Dave Chappelle that you did.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: When it came out, but I watched it because I
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: was a big fan of Chappelle show.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: And then every spot. That was one of the coolest things,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: the first really cool thing that I ever got on
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: where it was like I got this experience like Beatlemania,
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: and I only did like most of us is probably
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: like who the hell were you that? First of all,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: I had hair and I only did like, you know,
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: four Yeah. So I remember, uh, I was at this
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: thing Bonnaroo. You guys ever heard of? Oh you have? All? Right? Okay?
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: So Bonnaroo is like this sort of uh you know,
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: this this music festival in Nashville. It was one of
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: the early years of It was a lot of jam bands.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: It was some really like earthy, smelly white people, sort
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: of out in the field type of thing. Not not
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: a city kid vibe. So it was pretty white, not
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: country white, but damn close. And the lights went down
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: and I was seeing like this this band, what the
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: hell are they called practice? Like brain was on drums
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: burning well sort of this offshoot band and the lights
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: went down. It was like ten thousand people in this
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: tent and the lights went down and they were waiting
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: for the band, and I just heard this, dude, just
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: go what and then somebody else on the other side.
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: Yell yeah, and then somebody else yelled Okay, dude, I
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: like goosebumps, And it was like it was like right
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: when it was I think it was right after.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: Rick James sketch had already like blown up, and I
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: saw like how big this show was on. I could
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it. And there was like comedians were
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: telling me, going, dude, that show you're on is fucking
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: blowing up. I just did a college gig and like say,
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: it came on at like ten o'clock or something like
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: that on Comedy Central, and this show was at nine
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: point thirty, like they would be doing a show trying
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: to do an hour at ten o'clock, like five or ten.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Half the crowd would just get up and leave, and
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: he'd be like, you know, thinking, what did I say, Well, well,
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: we're gonna go watch the Chappelle Show. I don't know
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: if anything gets that big again with not all of
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: those media, but it was like and everybody brings up,
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: you know, the Rick James one and all of that.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: I will tell you this, the lawn Order sketch that
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: I was in the first cut of that, and I
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: think Comedy Central thought was too dark. Oh my god.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: It was like it was like a fucking Oscar winning
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: movie because it was hilarious. And then it was like
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: when the White Dude was in prison in the end,
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: the way they did it and they cut to Dave
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: laughing on the golf course, it wasn't funny. It was like,
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: this is what you fuckers do to us. It was
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: it was like wow, something Commy sents like, oh you know,
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: we uh, I think there's a different ending. Bring it
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: a little bit. There was a that was another thing too.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: I remember they used to edit it right up the
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: street from where I was living, and I remember Neil
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: Brennan going, you gotta, you gotta come see this ship.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: And I got to see them the Rick James s
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: ketch before anybody else, and I remember laughing my ass off,
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: and they just became a point I stopped laughing and
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: I was just like this is like, I've never seen
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: anything like this in my life. Yes, that was probably
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: the first kind of still like the one of the
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: coolest things. I got to be on him at Charlie
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: Murphy Rest his soul. He's up into We got him
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: up there in the corner. Oh yeah, oh man, the
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: stories that went with that guy. Yeah, he had, Oh
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: my god, his stories. He had endless. He told this
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: story one time and it was all stuff from the eighties.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: It would be so like, yo, yo, how was at
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: this party? Was me, Sugar Ray Leonard and Punky Brewster? Right,
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: like what party is this? It was just all these
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: like eighties icons Right then he was talking about sugar
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Ey Leonard being drunk, talking about how he how quickly
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: he could throw punches at your ribs and not hit you,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: and and he said that these white guys were letting
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: him do it. He was drunk and he kept hitting
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: him and they would like fold in half, and he
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: was crying, laughing, telling her I was going, why the
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: fuck would they do? I don't know. That's the nicer
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: one I can tell.
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: So that the funny thing about your pail when you
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: look at chapel and now you you rewatch it. You'll
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: see you, You'll see Joe Rogan, you'll see Neil Brandy,
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: you'll see all of these people who have gone on
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: to be you know, icons of the known.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Right now. Yeah, Dave gave me one of the u
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: one of the greatest pep talks I ever got, I
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: ever got. Like it's funny because I'm older than Dave,
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: but Dave started so young. I always look at him
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: like an older brother, right, And uh, I was doing
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: some shit at the cellar, you know, and I got
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: off stage and he was sitting on the stairs. Fortunately
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: I didn't know he was there. I would at that
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: point in my career would have been like intimidated somebody
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: that big watching me. And I remember him telling me,
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: he's like, man, your point of view was so dope, man,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: and he goes, it's gonna but it's gonna take you
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: a lot longer to get there, but when you do,
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: you're gonna hit hard. And I, dude, I fucking held
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: on to that for like seven years on the road
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: going Dave think some funny, Dave thinks some funny.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was right, that's right. Yeah, all right, Bill
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: fucking bird Man, all right, joining.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Us, all right, thank you for having you. Guys were nice.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: Everybody got me all nerves like you guys, let's not go? Why,
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: let's not go? Why? You know why? You know why?
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, I gonna be honest with you. I listened. I
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: listened to one clip and I shut it off after
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: eight seconds. You what clip was it? Somebody said something like, well,
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: you know sometimes, uh, sometimes whatever the hell he was
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: talking about, and I just hear you go, why would
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: you do that? Like? Oh, ship? Is it gonna be this?
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: Larry King always says the best question to ask is why.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: Because people say that, and I really do be curious.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: I'm like, well why why is always the best question.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: That's a better Yeah, it's a better why Your why wasn't?
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: That wasn't the read. It was like the subtext was
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: why the funk would you do that? No, it isn't.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: But I had a good time. It's my insecurity. I
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: hope you had me back you to know that there's
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: a lot of people I know that that hold you
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: in very, very high.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: The young comedians, older comedians like Pete Davison always talked
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: about you all the time.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Ricky Gervai, Yeah, Pete, I remember Pete was another guy.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: He had that vibe. He was just memorable. I met him.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: He was like like like twelve thirteen years old, already
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: as tall as me, and I remember years later he
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: started doing Stalley. Four years later, he goes, I don't
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: know if you remember. I just I remember I said,
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: Atlantic City. You were standing there with your mom, So
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: all right, how many times we're gonna wrap this up?
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: I think it's that's all right? Thank you so much.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate what is Bill? All right? Thank you?
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Wake that ass up
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: in the morning.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: The Breakfast Club