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How YouTube Was Made · The Infographics Show Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It is February first, two thousand and four. Right, you're
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  Speaker 1: sitting on your couch. You know, you're watching Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: x e eight.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots and the Panthers.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, but we don't actually care about the game today.
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  Speaker 1: It is halftime, the game is paused. The energy in
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  Speaker 1: that stadium is just electric, and justin Timberlake and Janet
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  Speaker 1: Jackson are on stage. The music is pulsing, and Timberlake
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  Speaker 1: reaches across the stage, tears a piece of fabric, and
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  Speaker 1: in exactly nine sixteenths of a second, the entire trajectory
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  Speaker 1: of the modern Internet is irreversibly altered.
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  Speaker 2: It really was.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to beyond infographics. This is the show dedicated to
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  Speaker 1: unpacking the hidden histories and the you know, the invisible
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  Speaker 1: forces that are actively shaping our world. I am so
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  Speaker 1: thrilled to have you here with us today.
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  Speaker 2: It's a perfect starting point, really, because we so often
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  Speaker 2: want to believe that major technological revolutions happen in these
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  Speaker 2: sterile laboratories.
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  Speaker 1: Right like guys and lab coats.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Imagine a group of brilliant engineers standing around a
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  Speaker 2: whiteboard drafting up a master plan to change human communication,
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  Speaker 2: and then just flawlessly executing it. But the reality of
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  Speaker 2: innovation is rarely that clean.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it is murky, it's chaotic. And today we are
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  Speaker 1: exploring how that single split second wardrobe malfunction birth a
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  Speaker 1: multi billion dollar platform that completely rewired our brains. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we are going to dig into how a nineteenth
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  Speaker 1: century utopian socialist actually predicted the modern digital economy, which
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  Speaker 1: is wild.
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  Speaker 2: That's a crazy connection.
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  Speaker 1: And as we trace this incredible arc, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: look at why the current absolute panic over artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 1: and Hollywood is entirely.
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  Speaker 2: Missing the point, because what we're going to see today
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  Speaker 2: is that innovation almost never happens in a vacuum. It
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  Speaker 2: is not a clean, planned.
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  Speaker 1: Trajectory, No, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: Innovation is usually a desperate, scrambling response to human curiosity,
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  Speaker 2: human tragedy, or sheer cultural chaos, gliding head on with
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  Speaker 2: severe technological bottle next.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, now, before we jump into the deep end of
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  Speaker 1: all that chaos, just a quick housekeeping reminder for you listening.
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  Speaker 1: that actual human beings like what we do. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: it helps us out so much.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's unpack this. We have to take you back
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  Speaker 2: to that fraction of a second. In two thousand and four, right,
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  Speaker 2: pop culture history is made, but definitely not in the
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  Speaker 2: way anyone intends. Timberlake intentionally tears a piece of Janet
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  Speaker 2: Jackson's costume, revealing her breast.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the infamous wardrobe malfunction, a term that was essentially
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  Speaker 1: coined that very night at the end of the song
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  Speaker 1: Rock Your Body, Timberlake saying the lyric that I'll have
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  Speaker 1: you naked by the end of the song, and he
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  Speaker 1: executed that.
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  Speaker 2: Tear, yeah, And it was supposed to go differently exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It was meant to reveal a red laced garment underneath,
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  Speaker 1: but it took the whole cup. It exposed her, which
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  Speaker 1: was covered by a nipple pasty to roughly one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and forty three million viewers. And the fallout from that
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  Speaker 1: was immediate and it was brutal. But what stands out
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  Speaker 1: to me and what you really see if you look
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  Speaker 1: back at this cultural moment, is the intense, glaring double
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  Speaker 1: standard of how it was handled.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it was staggering.
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  Speaker 1: Janet Jackson was essentially blacklisted from the music industry. Viacom,
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  Speaker 1: which owned MTV and CBS. They basically scrubbed her from
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  Speaker 1: their networks entirely. Her career took a massive, unprecedented hit.
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  Speaker 2: It did.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Justin Timberlake walked away completely unscathed, the Teflon man.
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  Speaker 1: He went on to win Grammys, star in movies, and
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  Speaker 1: his career just soared.
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  Speaker 2: It's a stark contrast that still casts a very long
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  Speaker 2: shadow today. There was a brilliant documentary released in late
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one by Left Right called Malfunction, The Dressing
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  Speaker 2: Down of Janet Jackson. I remember that, Yeah, It really
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  Speaker 2: highlighted this. It featured people who were actually in the room,
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  Speaker 2: like her stylist Wayne Scott Lucas, and it re examined
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  Speaker 2: the shoe injustice of how she was treated.
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  Speaker 1: It was so unfair.
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  Speaker 2: Completely. The FCC, led by chairman Michael Powell at the time,
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  Speaker 2: came down incredibly hard on CBS and Viacom. They issued
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  Speaker 2: record fines and took the battle all the way to
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  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. Eventually, Right Jackson was forced into these
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  Speaker 2: grueling public apology tours, while the corporate system largely protected Timberlake.
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  Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though. Let's pivot away
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  Speaker 1: from the cultural tragedy of it for a second and
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  Speaker 1: look at the technological spark. Okay, because in the immediate
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  Speaker 1: aftermath of that event, a young coder named Jod Kareem
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  Speaker 1: was sitting at his computer, completely and utterly frustrated. He
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  Speaker 1: was why because he could not find the clip online.
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  Speaker 1: The entire country was talking about this split second event,
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  Speaker 1: and the Internet, this supposed marvel of the modern information age,
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  Speaker 1: was completely incapable of easily serving up a video clip
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 2: This is where we have to remind ourselves what the
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  Speaker 2: Internet actually felt like in two thousand and four. It
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  Speaker 2: was painful, so painful. If you wanted to watch a
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  Speaker 2: video online, it was an exercise in pure misery. You
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  Speaker 2: couldn't just click a lamb. You had to hunt down
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  Speaker 2: a sketchy file on a peer to peer network like
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  Speaker 2: kazah or LimeWire.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, my wire right.
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  Speaker 2: You had to download it, which over an early broad
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  Speaker 2: banner a dial up connection could take an hour for
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  Speaker 2: a two minute clip.
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  Speaker 1: Just sitting there watching the loading bar.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and then you had to pray it wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: virus disguised as a video.
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  Speaker 1: File, which it usually was.
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  Speaker 2: It often was.
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  Speaker 1: Even if it wasn't a virus, you still had to
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  Speaker 1: fight with your computer to actually play the thing exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You had to make sure you had the right media
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  Speaker 2: codec installed.
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  Speaker 1: A codec.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, A codec is just a piece of software that
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  Speaker 2: compresses and decompresses digital media. Back then, there was zero standardization.
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  Speaker 1: Right right.
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  Speaker 2: You might download an AVII file, but if you didn't
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  Speaker 2: have the specific DVX codec installed, your Windows Media Player
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  Speaker 2: or your real player would just give you a generic
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  Speaker 2: error message.
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  Speaker 1: I remember those pop ups.
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  Speaker 2: It is a completely fragmented, deeply user hostile experience. The
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure for video on the web was fundamentally.
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  Speaker 1: Broken, but the demand was rabid. I mean, people were
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  Speaker 1: desperate for control over their media. Look at TVO.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, TVO is a great example, right.
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  Speaker 1: TVO, the Digital video recorder company, reported a one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and eighty percent spike in viewership for that specific Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl broadcast.
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  Speaker 2: Because people realized they could rewind exactly.
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  Speaker 1: They realized they could rewind and replay live television. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: They cited it as their most rewatched moment of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Which highlights a really fascinating irony here. FCC chairman Michael Powell,
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  Speaker 2: the very guy leading the moral crusade against the broadcast
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  Speaker 2: and punishing the network. Yeah, he had famously referred to
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  Speaker 2: TVO as quote God's machine unquote just a few years prior.
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  Speaker 1: No way, really, Yes, it just.
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  Speaker 2: Shows you how enamored people were becoming with the ability
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  Speaker 2: to control, to pause, and to rewind their own media consumption,
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  Speaker 2: regardless of what the actual content was.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the tech was empowering them and this wasn't an
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  Speaker 1: isolated incident of human desire breaking the Internet, right.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. There is a brilliant quote from the
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  Speaker 2: British novelist and cultural commentator J. G. Ballard. He said
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  Speaker 2: in a two thousand and five interview Sex Times, technology
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  Speaker 2: equals the future.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's blunt, it is.
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  Speaker 2: But if you look at the history of the Internet,
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  Speaker 2: human desire, often prurient, messy, scandalous, human desire has repeatedly
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  Speaker 2: forced technological evolution.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean the perfect example is Jennifer Lopez
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  Speaker 1: wearing that plunging green Versace dress to the Grammys in
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  Speaker 1: the year two thousand, yes, exactly, so many people were
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  Speaker 1: searching for a picture of it that Google realized their
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  Speaker 1: text based search engine was completely failing their users. They
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  Speaker 1: realized they needed a dedicated way to search for images,
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  Speaker 1: which directly.
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  Speaker 2: Led to the creation of Google Images in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and one.
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  Speaker 1: Precisely, or if you go.
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  Speaker 2: Back even further into the nineteen nineties, the theft and
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  Speaker 2: distribution of Mala Anderson's stolen private home video essentially laid
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  Speaker 2: the groundwork for the early tab organ Internet right.
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  Speaker 1: It pushed the boundaries of bandwidth, it.
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  Speaker 2: Forced the creation of streaming video subscription services, and it
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  Speaker 2: deeply influenced our modern digital privacy norms. The pattern is undeniable.
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  Speaker 2: Human curiosity breaks the current tech, forcing the tech to adapt.
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  Speaker 1: But you know it wasn't just pop culture and purient
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  Speaker 1: interest driving this frustration. Johd Green was equally frustrated later
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  Speaker 1: that same year trying to find citizen footage of the
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  Speaker 1: devastating two thousand and four Indian Ocean.
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  Speaker 2: Tsunamis such a massive tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: A horrific global tragedy. It was a massive news event
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  Speaker 1: where the ground truth was actually being captured by regular people.
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  Speaker 1: With early digital cameras and camquarterers on the beaches. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and again, the Internet was completely failing to provide a
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  Speaker 1: centralized place for people to share and view that on
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  Speaker 1: the ground reality.
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  Speaker 2: And that is a crucial intersection. You have a massive
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  Speaker 2: cultural scandal and you have a horrific natural disaster.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: In both cases, the existing media gatekeepers, the television networks,
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  Speaker 2: controlled the narrative. They decided what footage you saw, when
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  Speaker 2: you saw it, and what context was wrapped around it.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you had to tune in at six pm to
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  Speaker 1: see what they decided to show you exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But Kareem, along with his former PayPal colleagues Chad Hurley
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  Speaker 2: and Steve chen recognized that there was a desperate, gaping
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  Speaker 2: hole in the market bottleneck, a huge bottleneck. The world
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  Speaker 2: needed a platform where anyone could upload, share, and view
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  Speaker 2: video easily without needing a degree in computer science or
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  Speaker 2: a full IT department behind them.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, we always think of tech giants starting
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  Speaker 1: with this really noble mission, you know, like we want
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  Speaker 1: to connect the world and we want to organize the
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  Speaker 1: world's information.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the pr spin But isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Wild that the foundational architecture of modern video streaming. The
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  Speaker 1: thing that literally reshaped global culture, was essentially conceptualized simply
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  Speaker 1: because a guy wanted to see a pop star Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl performance in a devastating wave.
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  Speaker 2: It completely strips away the polished mythology of Silicon Valley,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it?
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  Speaker 1: It totally does.
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  Speaker 2: It proves that innovation is rarely a grand philosophical quest.
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  Speaker 2: It is often just a very practical, almost selfish solution
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  Speaker 2: to a very immediate human frustration. They just wanted things
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  Speaker 2: to work.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's move from that frustration to the actual execution.
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  Speaker 1: Because having the idea to build a website to host
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  Speaker 1: video is one thing, but completely changing how humanity consumes
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  Speaker 1: media is another. Entirely it takes resources, exactly. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: was looking into some early venture capital history and it's
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  Speaker 1: fascinating to see how they actually sold this idea. In
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  Speaker 1: late two thousand and five, Hurly Chen and Kareem take
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  Speaker 1: their little startup, which they have named YouTube, and they
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  Speaker 1: pitch it to Sequoia.
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  Speaker 2: Capital, a legendary VC firm, right, and.
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  Speaker 1: They are seeking three point five million dollars in funding.
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  Speaker 2: This is a highly pivotal moment in media history. Roll
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  Speaker 2: Off both a partner at Sequoia became a key figure here.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is that the founders explicitly pitched a
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  Speaker 2: platform for user generated.
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  Speaker 1: Content, which sells normal Now.
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  Speaker 2: Right today, user generated content is water, we swim in it.
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  Speaker 2: But in two thousand and five it was a radical differentiator. Also, well,
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  Speaker 2: they did pitch Sequoia on a site to watch pirated
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood movies or network TV shows. They explicitly promised a
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  Speaker 2: service that allowed regular people to be the creators.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I see.
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  Speaker 2: They pointed out that digital video recording technology was finally
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  Speaker 2: becoming ubiquitous and cheap, like digital point and shoots exactly,
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  Speaker 2: and it was being built into the very early generation
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  Speaker 2: of cell phones. They saw that soon anyone to capture
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  Speaker 2: video anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: They saw the title wave coming. But what I find
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  Speaker 1: so interesting is how quickly the lines between amateur and
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  Speaker 1: professional got blurry on this new platform.
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  Speaker 2: Oh almost instantly.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, do you remember the Nike video from October two thousand.
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  Speaker 2: And five, the Ronaldinho ad? Yes, absolutely us for anyone
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  Speaker 2: listening who hasn't seen it. It features the Brazilian soft
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  Speaker 2: star Ronaldinho. He's on a practice pitch and someone hands
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  Speaker 2: him a briefcase with a new pair of gold Nike
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  Speaker 2: clans right puts them on and he starts casually juggling
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  Speaker 2: the ball. Then he kicks the ball perfectly off the
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  Speaker 2: crossbar of the goal from outside the penalty box and
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  Speaker 2: it bounces right.
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  Speaker 1: Back to his chest and he just keeps going.
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  Speaker 2: He juggles it, falls it back to the crossbar, and
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  Speaker 2: it comes back again. He does this four times in
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  Speaker 2: a row without the ball touching the ground.
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  Speaker 1: And the brilliant part was the esthetic of the video.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about it. It was deliberately designed to look
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  Speaker 2: like a low resolution, grainy amateur home video. The camera
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  Speaker 2: was shaky, the lighting was natural. It just looked like
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  Speaker 2: a friend holding a digital camera on the sidelines capturing
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  Speaker 2: a superhuman moment exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It was totally amateurs in its visual style, but it
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  Speaker 1: was professionally orchestrated, highly edited, and funded by a massive
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  Speaker 1: multinational corporation.
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  Speaker 2: People debated endlessly in the comments whether the crossbar trick
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  Speaker 2: was real or CGI. I remember those arguments because it
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  Speaker 2: it felt like a raw, user generated moment. It became
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  Speaker 2: the first YouTube video in history to hit one million viewers.
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  Speaker 1: One million views. That was unprecedented, completely.
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  Speaker 2: Nike realized before almost anyone else that this platform wasn't
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  Speaker 2: just a dumping ground for grainy videos of people's casts.
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  Speaker 1: It was a.
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  Speaker 2: Completely new, friction free way to distribute marketing that bypassed
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  Speaker 2: all the psychological defenses of traditional advertisement.
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  Speaker 1: It was a massive proof of concepts for the platform's
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  Speaker 1: potential reach. But the true crossing of the rubicon, the
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  Speaker 1: moment the traditional legacy television industry realized they were facing
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  Speaker 1: a terrifying existential threat, happened a couple of months later
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  Speaker 1: in December two thousand and five.
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  Speaker 2: Lazy Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Lazy Sunday, Oh Man, what a moment. For those who
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  Speaker 1: might not remember, Lazy Sunday was a digital short that
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  Speaker 1: aired on Saturday Night Live. It was created by Andy Samber,
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  Speaker 1: Chris Parnell, Drmatic Cone, and Akiva Scheffer. The guys who
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  Speaker 1: had become famous as the Lonely Island is this hilarious
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  Speaker 1: hardcore wrap video about two nerdy guys go to see
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  Speaker 1: the fantasy movie The Chronicles of Narnia and just aggressively
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  Speaker 1: eating Magnolia Bakery cupcakes.
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  Speaker 2: It was so funny now think about the old world
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  Speaker 2: of television mechanics. It aired late on a Saturday night
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  Speaker 2: will run midnight. If you missed it, you missed it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you'd catch a summer rerun six months later, or
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  Speaker 2: you'd have to hope someone bought a best of SNLBBD
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  Speaker 2: years down the line.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were out of luck.
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  Speaker 2: But someone recorded that broadcast, gripped it to their computer,
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  Speaker 2: and uploaded it to this new site called YouTube, and
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  Speaker 2: it went massively globally viral.
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  Speaker 1: It was an absolute paradigm shift because for the first
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  Speaker 1: time you had high quality, culturally relevant, premium television content
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  Speaker 1: available instantly on demand, and most importantly, without the lag
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  Speaker 1: and buffering that made other video sites just unbearable to use.
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  Speaker 1: Millions of people who had never even heard of YouTube
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  Speaker 1: suddenly flocked to the site just to watch this two
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  Speaker 1: and a half minute comedy wrap.
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  Speaker 2: Word of mouth just exploded.
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  Speaker 1: They told their friends at work, they emailed the link.
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  Speaker 1: It was a cultural wildfire.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where we have to talk about how
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  Speaker 2: YouTube solved the technical bottle maat before them, video online
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  Speaker 2: required the user to have the right software. Let me mentioned.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier right the code.
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  Speaker 2: YouTube sidestepped all of that by using Adobe Flash technology,
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  Speaker 2: where Flash was already installed on over ninety percent of
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  Speaker 2: web browsers for playing basic web games and animation.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so YouTube encoded the video on their end and
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  Speaker 2: wrapped it in a flash player right on the website.
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  Speaker 2: The user didn't have to download anything, They just press
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  Speaker 2: play and it worked.
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  Speaker 1: And NBC predictably panic. They saw their intellectual property generating
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  Speaker 1: massive attention on a platform they didn't control, and they
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  Speaker 1: frankly didn't understand.
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  Speaker 2: They freaked out.
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  Speaker 1: By February two thousand and six, NBC demanded YouTube take
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  Speaker 1: the video down. They were aggressively enforcing their copyright. They
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  Speaker 1: wanted to force users to go to NBC's own website
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  Speaker 1: to watch.
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  Speaker 2: It, which no one wanted to do right.
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  Speaker 1: YouTube politely complied. They even put up a blog post
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  Speaker 1: acknowledging NBC's request and thanking their users for understanding. But
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  Speaker 1: it didn't matter. The damage to the old TV model
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  Speaker 1: was already permanent.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
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  Speaker 2: The audience had tapes of the future, Yes they had.
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  Speaker 2: They had experienced the friction free joy of instant on demand,
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  Speaker 2: shaable videos. They were never going back to appointment viewing,
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  Speaker 2: where network executives dictated the schedule.
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  Speaker 1: It fundamentally altered the DNA of Saturday Night Life.
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  Speaker 2: Oh are sure?
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  Speaker 1: Those digital shorts, which were born out of Internet aesthetics,
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  Speaker 1: became the most anticipated part of the show for years.
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  Speaker 1: It proved that DIY Internet native comedy could dominate mainstream.
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  Speaker 2: Culture, and it launched their careers.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: It led directly to The Lonely Island releasing their massive
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine album in Credibad, which actually featured
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Lazy Sunday, and eventually their twenty sixteen cult classic movie
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: pop Star Never Stopped, Never Talk, great movie, so good.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: It proved that the Internet wasn't just a secondary promotional
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: market for TV, it was the market.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, Lazy Sunday
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: proved the concept of viral video at a massive scale.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: It proved the platform worked flawlessly. But that unbelievable success
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: immediately bred a terrifying new existential threat for YouTube, the
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: sheer brutal physical cost of digital infrastructure.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack the scaling crisis, because this is where
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the story usually gets lost over. Yeah, we think of
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: websites as just magic in the cloud, but let's paint
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the picture of what was really happening in two thousand
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: and six.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: The physical reality of it.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Right, the platform is exploding by the summer. They are
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: serving one hundred million video views a single day.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: One hundred million.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: People are uploading everything from Whom videos to pirated TV shows.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: But video files are massive. They were burning through twenty
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: five petabytes of bandwidth a month.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: To put that in perspective for you, listening, twenty five
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: petabytes in two thousand and six was an absolutely apocalyptic
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: amount of data.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Wait, help me visualize that, because petabyte just sounds like
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a made up sci fi word. What does twenty five
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: petabytes actually look like?
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, think about a standard DVD. A DVD holds about
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: four point seven gigabytes of data. Twenty five petabytes is
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: roughly equivalent to five point three million DVDs. Wow, So
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: imagine trying to physically mail five point three million DVDs
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: to people all over the world every single month, and
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: you have to pay the postage yourself.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: That was the infrastructure cost YouTube was absorbing.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: That is insane. Yeah, And the critical issue is that
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: they had no real revenue model. They were giving away
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: a service that cost them an absolute fortune to maintain.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: They weren't running pre roll ads yet, they weren't charging
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a subscription. They were essentially paying out a pocket for
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: every single person who visited their site.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: They were basically a charity for bandwidth.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: They really were. They were weeks away from completely running
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: out of cash. The servers were going to shut down.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: It was a scaling crisis of epic proportions. You have
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the most popular cultural phenomenon in the world and it
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: is actively bankrupting you. Yeah, and this leads to one
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: of the most surreal moments in business history, desperate acquisition
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: talks taking place in a Denny's restaurant.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I love this detail so much. It's the ultimate Silicon
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Valley juxtaposition.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: You have these young founders, Chad Hurley and Steve Chen
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: sitting in a cheap diner, surrided by people eating moons
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: over Miami, secretly negotiating the sale of a platform that
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: is actively reshaping global communication over pancakes, simple because they
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: literally cannot afford to keep the lights on in their
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: server farms anymore.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: And in swoops Google. In October two thousand and six,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Google buys you Tube for one point six five billion dollars.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: In stock, which at the time people thought was completely crazy.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: So they thought Google got fleeced.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Mark Cuban famously said only a moron would buy
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: YouTube because of all the pending copyright lawsuits.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: He was very vocal about that, and.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: If you look at the forward looking statements from the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: merger press release, you can see the sheer paranoia Google
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: had about making this work.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's all on the fine print.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: They cited risks like regulatory factors and the potential failure
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to retain key employees, and the massive risk of failing
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: to retain traffic. They knew they were buying a powder
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: cake of legal liability.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: They bought the user base and the massive cultural cachet, absolutely,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: but they also bought an incredibly expensive infrastructure problem. Right,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Google though, was one of the only companies on Earth
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: with enough server capacity to absorb YouTube's bandwidth without blinking.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: They had the pipes.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: They did yet look at the contrast and scale today,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Google solved the monetization problem. Today YouTube pulls in over
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: forty point four billion dollars in AD revenue. That is staggering,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and looking at recent figures. By twenty twenty five, they
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: topped sixty billion dollars in revenue for the four year
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: sixty billion. That is more than the combined AD revenue
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: of Disney, NBC, Paramount, and Warner Bros. Discovery. It absolutely
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: dwarfs Netflix.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Hold on, let me make sure I'm wrapping my head
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: around the mechanics of this. So in two thousand and six,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they built a product where every new customer actually costs
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: them money. Yes, every new user was a financial liability.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: How does a business survive, let alone, become a sixty
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: billion dollars jart or not by giving everything away for
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: free just to capture people's attention.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: That is the genius and perhaps the deeply insidious nature
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: of the modern digital economy. Okay, I'm listening, and to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: understand how this mechanism actually works, we have to look backward.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: We have to look at a historical precedent that perfectly
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: mirrors YouTube's free access, monopolize attention model.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. I want to introduce
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you to a seemingly random historical obsession of mind. I
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: love this guy, King camp Shalette. He was born in
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Fondu Lag, Wisconsin.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: A fascinating figure and the absolute perfect allergy for understanding
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: modern tech Monocles. Gillette was working as a traveling salesman
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: in the late nineteenth century. Okay, his boss at the
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: time was a man named William Painter, who is famous
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: in his own right for inventing the disposable bottle cap
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the crown cork.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Wait, the metal bottle caps on glass sotis exactly.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Painter gave Jillette a piece of advice that would fundamentally
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: change the world of commerce. He told him to invent
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: something that people use and throw away so that the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: customer is forced to keep coming back for more.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: That is deliciously evil. And in nineteen o three, Jellette
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: did exactly that. He created the disposable carbon steel razor blade.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Right before this, men used straight razors. You've ever seen
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: an old barber movie, you know, Adam, Yeah, Straight razors
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: had to be carefully dropped on leather, sharpened on stones,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and maintained constantly.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: It was a tedious, very high maintenance.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Jellette created a safety razor handle, and he sold it
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: incredibly cheaply. Sometimes he practically gave the handle.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Away just to get it in their hands.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: But the blade, the blades were disposable They dulled quickly,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and they had a massive profit margin.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: It was the birth of what economists call the razor
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: and blades business model.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Give away the core product at a loss to ensure
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a lifetime of recurring revenue from the consumer.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Bok exactly, and it was wildly historically successful. By nineteen fifteen,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: his company was selling seventy million blades.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: A year, seventy million.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: This was heavily boosted by the US government, who bought
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: them in massive bulk to supply soldiers fighting in World
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: War One. They literally introduced the concept of the disposable
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: razor to Western Europe via the US Army issuing them
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: in standard kids.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: But the absolute best part of this story, the deep
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: strange irony of it all, is at King Camp Jillette,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the man who mastered one of the most ruthless capitalist
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: business models ever conceived, was a hardcore utopian socialist.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: It sounds like a complete contradiction, but it's entirely true.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: He wrote a book in eighteen ninety four called The
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Human dres and another in nineteen ten called World Corporation.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: He was a very prolific writer.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: He didn't just want to sell razors. He wanted all
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of America, every single citizen to voluntarily merge their wealth
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: into one giant mega company that everyone co owned.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: He envisioned the entire US population abandoning small towns and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: moving into a single, massive utopian city called Metropolis, which
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: he planned to build near Niagara Falls so he could
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: be powered entirely by the waterfalls.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: He was entirely serious about this. He even offered the
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: job of CEO of this hypothetical world corporation to former
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: President Teddy Roosevelt.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: No, Roosevelt, as you might imagine, politely declined the offer
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: from the eccentric razor salesman.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: That is just brilliant. The man who perfected the most
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: aggressive capitalist trap in history was dreaming of a socialist utopia.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, the digital
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: age is just the realization of the Gillette model at scale.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see where you're going.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Gellette gave you the cheap handle so he could sell
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you an endless supply of blades. YouTube gives you the platform.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: They give you endless video hosting, flawless streaming architecture, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: a friction free interface, all entirely for free.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: They absorbed the massive infrastructure cost.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: That's the handle. Why so they can endlessly harvest the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: modern blades, your attention and your behavioral data, which they
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: sell to advertisers at a premium.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: They give away the infrastructure to monopolize the resource. It's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the razor and blades. But you are the blade exactly.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: You are the product.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Wow, speaking of keeping people coming back. If you are
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: hooked on this conversation and learning these invisible connections, please
• 25:42
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• 25:44
  Speaker 1: really love unpacking these stories for you. So, once Google
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: solves the money problem using this digital razor and blades model,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: they have infinite server capacity and an advertising machine. You'd
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: think it would be smooth sailing.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: You would think.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: But once YouTube became a global behemoth, it stopped being
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: just a fun tech product. It became a battleground for
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: international law and global censorship.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: This was the era of the copyright wars. Once there
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: was real money behind YouTube and Google's deep pockets were
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: attached to it, the lawsage just started flying. Oh yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: copyright holders were furious that their content was being uploaded
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: for free and generating ad revenue for Google.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you see these incredibly complex legal nightmares pop up.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I was reading about cases like Secret Yepe's Slaya Ysociato's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: se Versus YouTube, which involved the copyright of a classic
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Mexican film from the golden age of Mexican cinema called
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Pepe El Toro. This just a constant, exhausting barrage of
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: international legal battles. It defined the era. It's very much
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: like how the music industry was dealing with massive copyright
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: battles at the same time.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, the music industry was a mess.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Think about when songwriter Earl Schumann sued Alicia Keys in
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: twenty twelve, claiming her modern hit Girl on Fire sampled
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and sounded too much like his nineteen seventy song Lonely Boy,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: which was later recorded as Hey They're Lonely.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Girl, right right.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: These massive digital platforms were colliding violently with analog laws
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: or written decades before the Internet existed, and it was
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: unbelievably messy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: But copyright was really only the beginning of the headache.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: The real friction happened when sovereign nations realized that an
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: American tech company based in California was controlling the flow
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: of uncontrolled, uncensored video into their borders.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: The geopolitical impact was staggering.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: It was blocked entirely in China in two thousand and nine,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: locked behind the Great Firewall. Turkey bandit for two full years,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and eventually in twenty twelve, Turkey essentially forced YouTube to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: use a localized web domain YouTube dot com for dot
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: wtr yes.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: To maintain sovereignty right so.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: The Turkish government could assert more control over the content
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: shown to its citizens and enforce local court orders.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And we need to understand the mechanism of why these
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: bands were so absolute. Because of how the Internet architecture
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: worked at the time, and YouTube moved toward HTTPS encryption,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: a government censor couldn't just go in and block a
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: single specific offending video. They couldn't filter it out because
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the traffic was encrypted. So if a government wanted to
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: stop its citizens from seeing one political video, they had
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: to drop a sledgehammer and block the IP addresses for
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the entire website.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: That makes total sense.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: It's an all or nothing prophecy exactly. The most dramatic
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: example of this was perhaps the twenty twelfth crisis over
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: a controversial, highly offensive, low budget anti Islam film called
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Innocence of Muscles.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I remember that being all over the mayor's line.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: A trailer for this obscure film was uploaded to YouTube
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: and it sparked massive violent protests across the Middle East.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: As a result of this single video, YouTube was blocked
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: in its entirety in Libya, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakasi. A
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Russian court even officially banned the film, forcing internet service
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: providers to blocking it. Demonstrated that a single video uploaded
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: by an obscure individual with no budget could trigger international
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: diplomatic crises and shut down infrastructure for millions, And.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: We see modern sensors utilizing these exact same levers today,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: just in different contexts. Following the invasion of Ukraine, YouTube
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: blocks channels linked to Russia's state backed media RTY and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Spotnik across Europe in twenty twenty two, and then in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four we saw Russian users facing deliberately throttled
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: loading speeds on.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: YouTube, which is a very sophisticated tactic. It's a clear
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: move by the state to frustrate users and limit access
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: without implementing an outright politically unpopular band. They just make
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the site so slow it becomes unusable.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Yet despite all this chaos, or perhaps because it was
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: such a powerful tool for unfiltered communication, the platform was
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: recognized for its democratic potential.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: It really was.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, YouTube actually won a Peabody Award.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: The committee sided the platform as acting as a digital
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: speakers corner that embodies and promote democracy, allowing anyone with
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: a camera, whether they are a comedian or a political dissident,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to have a global voice. It's a valid point, but
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I have to push back on this a little bit.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I have to ask, at what point does a video
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: sharing site stop being just a tech company and start
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: acting as a digital nation state with its own foreign policy.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Because they are making decisions in conference rooms in California
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: that affect the flow of information for billions of people.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: They're negotiating with authoritarian governments, and they're managing global crises.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: This raises an important question about corporate power versus state
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: power in the twenty first century. They are a private,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: profit driven entity, yet they operate public infrastructure that is
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: as vital to global discourse as the telephone lines or
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the postal service. Right, and as they navigated these massive
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: external geopolitical pressures, they also had to constantly tweak the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: platform itself to appease advertisers, which often alienated the very
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: users who built the community in the first place.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's look at this because the YouTube we use
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: today is so sanitized, so polished, and corporate compared to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the wild West of the early day.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Very true.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: There is a massive feature graveyard of tools that used
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to make the site feel like a community. Think about
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: your own experience as a listener. What was the last
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: time you uploaded a video just for fun rather than
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: trying to become a quote unquote creator.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: It's been a long time.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Do you remember when you could directly upload a video
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: via email from your flip phone?
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, or just hit record on your webcam right in.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: The browser and instantly post a video response to someone
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: else's video.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: The video response feature. Yeah, those tools were slowly removed
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: around twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen. There were relics of
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: an era when cell phones had incredibly limited web browsing
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: capabilities and the primary goal of the platform was simply
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to remove any friction preventing a user from contributing.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And then there was the death of community captions in
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, which allowed viewers to crowdsource translations and subtitles
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: for their favorite creators, making the site incredibly accessible globally.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: People loved that future.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: And of course, the highly controversial decision to hide public
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: dislike counts. In twenty twenty one, UH the platform started
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: systematically removing the tools that allowed the community to self regulate,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to communicate with each other, and to interact deeply.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: It was a massive philosophical shift. They moved away from
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: being a community driven platform to being a top down,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: algorithmically managed broadcasting.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Network basically just television two point zero exactly.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: They wanted you watching, not interacting, though there were some fun,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: deeply nerdy quirks along the way that we missed, like
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: what I fondly recall the era when video view counters
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: would seemingly freeze at exactly three hundred and one plus.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Oh man, the three hundred and one plus era. If
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you were there, you know, the panic of seeing your
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: video stuck at three hundred one views. Why did that
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: actually happen?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: It was a very pre digmatic engineering solution. Actually, the
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: back end system would halt the public counter at three
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: hundred one views for a few hours while the servers
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: audited the traffic parted. Yeah, they needed to verify the
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: unique IP addresses to ensure they weren't counterfeit views generated
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: by bots trying to gain the system. Once the audit passed,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the real number would populate.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: It became such a beloved quirk of the early platform
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: that YouTube actually immortalized it as an easter edge. Really
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: where on the popular mathematics channel number file, YouTube permanently
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: froze the view count on their specific video explaining the
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: three hundred and one phenomenon at exactly three hundred and one.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: That is amazing. But as the platform matured and more
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: money entered the ecosystem, the primary source of anxiety for
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: creators became the algorithm.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: The almighty algorithm, the black box.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Nobody outside of Google knew exactly how it worked, but
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: everyone knew their financial livelihood depended entirely on it. I
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: remember watching cold commentary on this, like the Watch Mojo series,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: specifically Inside Mojho episode four, where massive successful creators were
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: explicitly debating whether they had actually cracked the algo or
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: if they just ignored it and helped for the best.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: It was stressful.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: It created this intense psychological pressure. You aren't making art
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: for an audience anymore, you are making content for a
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: machine learning model.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And Google, YouTube's parent company, managed this ecosystem ruthlessly. Do
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: is something threatened their business model or their paid partnerships.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: They crushed it, did they? Oh? Yeah. A great example
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of this corporate control is when they force the popular
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Groovy Discord music bought offline in twenty twenty one.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I remember Groovy.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Millions of people use this simple bot to listen to
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: YouTube audio collectively in their Discord voice channels, but Google
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: shut it down with a cease and desist because it
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: bypassed video ads and threatened their push for YouTube music subscriptions.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Wow. They protect their intellectual property fiercely, very fiercely. Although
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: here's bizarre piece of Internet trivia I stumbled across that
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: shows the contrast between the old Web and the new.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Let's hear it.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: The official images of YouTube headquarters used on Wikipedia were
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: uploaded by a user named Coolcaster, and they are licensed
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: under open source, GFDL and CCDYSA three point zero.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Okay for those who don't speak copyright law. Why does
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: that matter?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: It matters because those specific licenses mean the visual representation
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: of their corporate fortress is completely free for anyone to use,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: share and remix without permission, provided they credit the creator.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: As it's a tiny sliver of the old, open, collaborative
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Internet surviving right on the Wikipedia page of one of
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the most tightly controlled corporate entities on Earth.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: It is a beautiful irony. But if we want to
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: talk about corporate control, algorithmic anxiety, and the future of media,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: we absolutely have to talk about the current overwhelming panic
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: over artificial intelligence.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, because everything we've talked about so far today, from
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: at Jackson's cossume malfunction to jod Kareem's frustration to the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Lonely Island eating cupcakes was driven by.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Humans, right, flawed, messy, creative humans.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: And now we are facing an era where the content
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: itself is synthetic. I want to bring this narrative full
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: circle back to Janet Jackson for a moment. Okay, just recently,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift faced eight horrific campaign of non consensual AI
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: generated explicit images that spread rapidly across Twitter or x.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: It is a tragic and deeply disturbing parallel to the
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl incident. Two decades apart, we see that women's
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: bodies are continually targeted and exploited by new technologies. Absolutely, However,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: there is a distinct, important difference in the societal response
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: that you need. Well. When Janet Jackson's privacy was violated
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: on stage, she was blamed, the culture blamed her, she
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: was punished by the FCC and the industry. But Taylor
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Swift's ordeal has sparked a massive backlash against the technology
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: itself and the platform.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Is hosting that people are furious.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly It has actually spurred the White House to push
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: for legislation to combat deep bakes and the non consensual
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: sharing of digitally altered explicit images.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: It's a sign that we were final maturing enough to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: recognize the technology as the weapon, rather than blaming the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: victim for being in its crossers.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Exactly right.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: But beyond the horrific deepfink issue, the rise of generative
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: AI sending shockwaves through the entire entertainment industry. The Hollywood
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: AI panic is real, very but here's what strikes me
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: as the core difference. Unlike the early days of YouTube,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: which genuinely felt like it was democratizing access, removing friction
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and giving a voice to people, who didn't have one. Yeah,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the push for AI in Hollywood feels entirely like a
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: top down corporate cost cutting tool.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: It is entirely top down. Studio executives are looking at
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: AI not as a glorious new artistic medium for expression,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: but as a crowbar to bypass labor.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Right. They just don't want to pay anyone.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: They want to generate background actors, writes scripts, and render
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: special effects without paying human beings. But they are quickly
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: finding that the reality of the technology doesn't match the
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: glossy sales pitch. For example, Disney rushed to explore massive
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: deals to use open AI's video generator Sora, but those
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: talks stalled out.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Why I thought SOA was supposed to be the future because.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: The output, while technically impressive for a few seconds, lacks
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: narrative cohesion. It ultimately produces what critics are brutally calling
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: TikTok slop.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: TikTok slop. That is such a visceral, accurate.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Term for it. It really is.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: It looks like everything, it means absolutely nothing.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: And this phraises an important question about the actual sustainability
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: of these AI models. Because the AI companies themselves, open
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Ai anthropic Google are currently facing the exact same existential
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: crisis that YouTube faced back in two thousand and six.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Wait, you mean the scaling crisis?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly, the compute crisis. I'll borrow a brilliant analogy to
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: explain this. Okay, Training and running these massive AI models
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: right now is like trying to map the entire ocean
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: floor using a fleet of luxury yachts. What it is
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: physically possible to do it, but the fuel cost is
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: so astronomically high that you have to wonder if the
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: treasure you find at the bottom will even cover the
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: gas bill.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, that is a perfect way to look at it.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: The energy requirements are insane.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: It is sparking a massive, frenzied data center construction boom globally.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Everyone is desperately building physical infrastructure, trying to secure nuclear
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: power contract burning through billions of dollars, just hoping it
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: pays on, just hoping the technology will eventually get cheap
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: enough to justify the upfront cost. It's the Denny's Diner
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: crisis of two thousand and six all over again, but
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: with stakes that are magnitudes higher and environmental impacts that
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: are staggering.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: And what gives me hope is that the public is
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: largely rejecting it when it comes to actual art and entertainment.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: You really are, I mean, look at the backlash whenever
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it's used. Darren Aronowski tried to pitch your Revolutionary War
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: mini series using AI generated visual element, and the public revolted.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: People hated the idea, felt hollow. There was huge controversy
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and discomfort when an AI voice model was used for
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the late actor Val Kilmer, and recently, the film The
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Brutalist caught massive flack because the editor admitted to using
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: AI tools to tweak and artificially improve the actor's Hungarian
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: accents in post production.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: People felt cheated, they did.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: The tech critic Ed Zitron summed it up perfectly. He
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: said that if Hollywood had a soul, it would chase
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: AI boosters out with pitchforks.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Zishren is pointing out that AI video lacks the fundamental
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: features of even the worst human made movies, intent, context,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: and emotional reality. A machine doesn't know why a character
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: is sad, It just perfectly arranges the pixels to simulated tear.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for the future of
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: how we consume media? I think it means that the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: indispensable element of art, the thing that actually makes us care,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: is and always will be the human element. I agree, complain, Flawed,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: handcrafted human art and history will outlive synthetic algorithmic content.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: And you can see legacy media surviving right now by
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: leading entirely into pure humanity.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: The comic book industry is a perfect example of this
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: survival strategy. If you look at the slate of releases
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: for August twenty twenty six, it is a testament to
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: highly specific, deeply emotional human intent that AI simply cannot
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: remove it.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, let's unpack those releases, because they proved the point
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: so well. If you have Emil Wilson's graphic novel debut
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: At the Night Agales, a deeply personal story about the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties AIDS crisis. Now an AI prompt could generate
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: an image of a hospital room in the eighties, perfectly, clinically, perfect, exactly,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: But Wilson drew the entire book in a loose, spontaneous
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: sketchbook style. The messy lines, the smudged graphite. It's designed
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to evoke the chaotic, unpolished reality of trauma and empathy.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: An Ai prompt cannot understand the emotional weight of a
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: man drawing his sister's childhood memories in a way that
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: feels deliberately fragile.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Or look at Cha Chu, written by Emon volanimis Marvel herself.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: It's a mystery set in nineteen seventy nine. It is
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: deliberately free of modern technological shortcuts, relying entirely on human deduction,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: character flaws, and relationship building. The narrative tension comes from
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: human limitation, and.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: The aesthetics of these works are intensely deliberate. You have
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: the warm, candy colored charm of the Hello Kitty, Hello
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: World ongoing series, which relies entirely on the precise historical
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: visual iconography of Sanrio that human beings have loved for decades.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: It has a soul.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Or the graphic novel Worst Man by the duo Brandt
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: and Stein. They use highly stylized facial expressions, exaggerated body language,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: and geometric emotional abstraction in the backgrounds to elevate a
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: romcom story. They break the rules of reality to show
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: you how a character feels.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: They aren't trying to just render a photo.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: And of course, Marvel's milestone the Mortal Thor issue fourteen,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: where writer al Ewing has completely stripped the God of
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Thunder of his paws, turning him into a normal, vulnerable
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: human named Siger Jarlson. Wow why, specifically to explore how
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: an ordinary, powerless man stands up to systemic corruption.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: AI cannot replicate that highly specific, stylized human intent. It
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: can generate a pretty picture, it can simulate the style
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: of a comic book, but it cannot generate meaning exactly.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: The history of music backs this up entirely too. The
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: reality of music history is chaotic and wonderfully messy. An
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: AI algorithm trained on perfection, designed to output the most
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: pleasing sequence of notes, could never invent the reality of
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: human struggle and failure.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: It couldn't.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: For instance, it could never invent the reality of the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Mega group One Direction playing their very first show at
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Watford Coliseum in London in December twenty eleventh and bombing
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: so terribly sounding, so out of syncret that Neil Horan
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: famously called them the quote joke unquote. But that failure
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: is part of their human story.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly perfect is boring. True resonance comes from visceral, unpredictable
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: human moments.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Think about Keith Richards playing a rolling Stone show in Hampton,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Virginia on his thirty eighth birthday in nineteen eighty one.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is slash right.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: A fan rushes the stage. Richards doesn't call for security.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: He takes his Fender telecaster, takes it off his shoulder,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: swings it like a baseball bat, hits the fan to
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: protect himself, straps the guitar back on. He just keeps
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: playing the song.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: It's raw, it's real, it's dangerous.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Or Paul McCartney Lockdown in twenty twenty, releasing McCartney the
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Third where he plays every single instrument on the album himself.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: It's not perfectly polished. It's a pure, unadulterated expression of
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: one man's singular musical vision.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: And you see this human necessity in the sheer physical
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: endurance required to connect with an audience. The Dave Matthews
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Band grossed five hundred and thirty million dollars in the
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: twenty tents, over half a billion. They became the highest
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: grossing touring artist of the entire decade in North America.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: How not through a viral algorithm, strictly through relentless, exhausting
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: physical touring night after night and keeping tickets affordable so
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: real humans could sweat and sing together in an amphitheater.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: You cannot fake that connection with degenerative thought.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: But it's also grounded in human tragedy and mortality, right
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the messy, uncontrollable reality of life. An algorithm doesn't die,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: but human art is informed by the tragic death of
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: singer Kursey McCall in a voting accident in Mexico in.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: The year two houses. Yes, it is.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: It's informed by a Rapperti getting arrested on serious federal
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: gun charges in two thousand and four, right as his
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: career with peaking, altering his entire trajectory. It's informed by
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: the long, painful decline of Larry Henley, the lead singer
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: of the New Meats, who co wrote the classic The
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Wind Beneath My Wings, suffering from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's until
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: his passing in twenty fourteen. For the passing of legendary
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: percussionist Ralph McDonald in twenty eleven from lung cancer. These
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: aren't just data points to be fed into a machine
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: life a model to generate a sad song. They are
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: the lived experiences the joy and the grief that inform
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the art we consume and connect with.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: The ultimate proof of this is how culture organically chooses
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: what resonates of This is my favorite part of the
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: research for this conversation.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Go for it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: True resonance is completely unpredictable. It totally defies algorithms. Look
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty five TikTok Awards in the US. Okay,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: the award for Global Song of the Year didn't go
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to some highly engineered AI optimized pop track designed in
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: a lab to maximize engagement. It went to a Pretty
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Little Baby. It totally obscured decades old songs by Connie Francis.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Why it just organically caught fire and went viral because
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: human beings connected with its specific nostalgic vibe. They danced
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to it, they shared it, they gave it new meaning.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: It is the context that matters. AI can generate a
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: technically perfect image or write a mathematically found melody, but
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: it cannot generate the cultural context that makes a piece
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: of art matter.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: To the society right. AI can't generate the context of
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: why a nineteen sixty one song with a poorly translated
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: zoo chorus like the lion's leave tonight by the tokens
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: resonates across multiple generations.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: It would just be noise.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Exactly if an Ai wrote that today we dismiss it
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: as nonsense. But it has a history, a soul, a
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: lineage of human beings passing it down. AI lacks the
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: messy historical reality that makes art being something to us.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: It is a fundamental difference between simulating reality and actually experiencing.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, wow, let's take a breath and wrap this incredible
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: journey up. We have covered an insane amount of ground today.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: We really have.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: We started with a Super Bowl halftime show wardrobe malfunction
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: and a devastating tsunami that revealed just how broken the
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: early Internet was. For video, we talked about how John Kareem,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Chad Hurley, and Steve Chen pitched Sa Koya Capital for
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: three point five million dollars to build a user generated
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: platform that fundamentally destroyed the traditional television appointment feeling.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: More punctuated by the lonely Island eating cupcakes on a lazy.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Sunday, We examined the terrified by scaling crisis, the twenty
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: five petabytes at bandwidth that led to a desperate Denny's
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: negotiation at a one point six five billion dollars Google buyout.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: In stock, and we connected YouTube's modern attention harvesting business
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: model to King camp Jellet, a utopian socialist who invented
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: the disposable razor to trap consumers into buying endless blades.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: We looked at how YouTube shifted from a website to
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: a geopolitical battleground, dealing with copyright wars over Pepe, El Toro,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: the Great Firewall of China, national bands in Turkey, and.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Russian throt all while winning a Peabody Award for promoting democracy.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: We explore the future graveyard of the old collaborative web,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the anxiety of the black box algorithm freezing at three
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: hundred and one views, and the Taylor Swift deep fake
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: crisis that is finally pushing the White House to recognize
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: technology as a weapon.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: And finally, we contrasted the organic, human driven revolution of
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: the early Internet with the top down, corporate driven panic
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: over AI in Hollywood today, a technology desperately searching for
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: a purpose while burning through massive amounts of server compute power,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: much like the early days of video streaming, but without
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the human soul.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: And we ended on the undeniable proof that flawed, hand
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: crafted human art from a deeply personal comic book about
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the AIDS crisis to Keith Richards swinging a telecaster to
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: protect his stage will always outlive synthetic algorithmic slop. Before
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: we go, if you love this conversation on beyond depographics,
• 49:27
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• 49:34
  Speaker 1: up these physical histories for you, I.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Will leave you with this final lingering thought. Over the
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: last two decades, driven by curiosity and chaos, we built
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: the greatest, most comprehensive video archive in human history, largely
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: so we wouldn't ever have to miss a cultural moment again. Yeah,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: but now, as generative AI threatens to flood that very
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: archive with synthetic, algorithmically generated reality, the question isn't whether
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: we can find the video anymore. It's whether we can
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: trust our own eyes when we press play.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: That is a chilling thought to leave on. Thank you
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: so much for joining the conversation today. Keep questioning what
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you see, keep supporting messy human art, and we will
• 50:11
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