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The Kenny Report | 13 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me again tonight. After letting the Union
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  Speaker 1: thugs off the leash, Anthony Albanezi ducks responsibility yet again.
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  Speaker 1: The energy wars, and while the Green left campaigns against gas,
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  Speaker 1: Labor actually is promising again to lower your energy prices,
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  Speaker 1: the debate about biological men playing in women's sports. Sports
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  Speaker 1: broadcaster Lucy Zelich joins me. Alexander Downer talks about the
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  Speaker 1: rise of the hard right in Europe. Plus Tim Blair
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  Speaker 1: and Mark Nicholson on Kamala Harris's selfless service. Can't wait
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  Speaker 1: for that one, Let's get going. While the climate wars
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  Speaker 1: fire up here, the push to renewable energy and the
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  Speaker 1: way it simply does not work is playing out in
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  Speaker 1: two countries that are especially close to Australia. The bitter
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  Speaker 1: experience elsewhere shows that the path that Labor, the Greens
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  Speaker 1: and the Tills want Australia to stay on will lead
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  Speaker 1: to power chaos and shortages. In the UK, the Labor
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  Speaker 1: Party that certainly formed government after the next election in
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  Speaker 1: just a few weeks is promising to ban any future
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  Speaker 1: gas exploration in the North Sea.
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  Speaker 3: I've been very very clear when it comes to the
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  Speaker 3: transition that we're not turning.
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  Speaker 1: Off the taps.
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  Speaker 3: Oil and gas will be part of the BIX for
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  Speaker 3: many years. We're not revoking any licenses, but a transition
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  Speaker 3: is coming. And when ed Ni went to Aberdeen within
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  Speaker 3: US just a few months ago to talk to the workforce,
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  Speaker 3: of course, to talk to the unions, to talk to
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  Speaker 3: the energy sector, everybody knows the transition is coming.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA here we go. Hey, why is that a worry? Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's just what they said across the ditch in New Zealand.
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  Speaker 1: The Kiwis have already gone down that path. And even
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  Speaker 1: though they've got stacks of hydro electricity and they don't
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  Speaker 1: rely on fossil fuels for a huge share of their power,
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  Speaker 1: their shambolic experience shows that banning gas exploration is a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: Six years ago, the former Kiwi Labor Prime Minister Jacinda
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  Speaker 1: Adurn declared the world had moved on from fossil fuels
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  Speaker 1: and scrapped any new exploration licenses.
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  Speaker 4: And we are no longer issuing permits for offshore oil
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  Speaker 4: and gas exploration.
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  Speaker 1: It is an.
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  Speaker 4: Exciting time for energy innovation. We have stopped, we have
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  Speaker 4: pledged to stop issuing permits for offshore oil and gas exploration.
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  Speaker 1: And as you can see, Adurn was actually boasting about
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  Speaker 1: this retreat from modernity, this bit of climate virtue signaling
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  Speaker 1: that would undermine her own countries energy and economic future.
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  Speaker 1: She lapped it all up.
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  Speaker 4: We have done more in twenty four months than any
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  Speaker 4: government in New Zealand has ever done all climate action.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, little old New Zealand, which makes up about one
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  Speaker 1: tenth of one percent of global emissions. No, seriously, the
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  Speaker 1: Kiwis contribute zero point zero one percent of global emissions,
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  Speaker 1: less than Trinidad and Tobago, for instance. But Ardurn was
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  Speaker 1: intent on saving the planet. Well how did all that
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  Speaker 1: work out? Well, after banning new exploration, New Zealand began
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  Speaker 1: to run short of gas supplies. That's how this works.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to constantly tap into new wells. So when
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  Speaker 1: their hydro ran a little dry and the wind wasn't blowing,
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  Speaker 1: they faced blackouts and pretty soon the government that they
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  Speaker 1: just had to explain, and they had to explain what
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  Speaker 1: was going on. And suddenly Jasida Adurn was a little
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  Speaker 1: camera shy and let her minister do the talking.
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  Speaker 5: Neither of the least New Zealanders have a right to
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  Speaker 5: expect that on a cold night that the power will
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  Speaker 5: stay on and they'll be able to keep the lights
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  Speaker 5: on in heat themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Extraordinary, isn't it. No matter the warnings they get, no
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  Speaker 1: matter the engineering facts, no matter the logic, no matter
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  Speaker 1: the obvious vulnerabilities of intermittent, unreliable renewables, they all like
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  Speaker 1: to pretend that they can dispense with fossil fuels. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: New Zealand bans nuclear as well, so they don't have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of options. These political Zealots forget about their
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  Speaker 1: responsibility to their constituents. They forget about how energy is
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  Speaker 1: the very lifeblood of our economy, of our society, indeed
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  Speaker 1: of our civilization, and instead they try to impress the
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  Speaker 1: United Nations set and people suffer. New Zealand now under
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  Speaker 1: a right of center Nationals government, well right of center
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  Speaker 1: for New Zealand, is now overturning that gas exploration ban.
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  Speaker 1: That recognize that they need power, and for reliable power,
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  Speaker 1: guess what they need gas. You'd think the poems would
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  Speaker 1: heed these same lessons. They've had a chance to learn
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  Speaker 1: those lessons from the UK, from New Zealand, but it
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  Speaker 1: looks like Keir Starmer and the Labor Party in the
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  Speaker 1: UK are going to make the same mistake there, And
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  Speaker 1: of course there are plenty in our own political system
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  Speaker 1: in Australia who want to go down the same dead
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  Speaker 1: end path.
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  Speaker 6: Australia, like the rest of the world, needs to get
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  Speaker 6: out of coal and gas. The climate crisis, the floods,
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  Speaker 6: the fires are fueled by coal and gas. What is
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  Speaker 6: becoming clearer by the day is there is no justification
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  Speaker 6: economically or environmentally for opening up new coal and gas projects.
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  Speaker 1: So while the climate and energy debate continues here, we
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  Speaker 1: need to be very careful about what we wish for.
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  Speaker 1: Everywhere there are warning signs, but Labor, the Green and
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  Speaker 1: the teals ignore them.
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  Speaker 7: Cost of living relief is our number one policy and
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  Speaker 7: that's why as well, our energy policy is aimed fairly
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  Speaker 7: and squarely at support for the cheapest form of new
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  Speaker 7: energy we know that's renewables.
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  Speaker 1: This would be the same push to renewables that has
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  Speaker 1: delivered us the highest power prices ever and the least
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  Speaker 1: reliable electricity we've ever had. Just like Jasinda Ardurn, one
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  Speaker 1: of their labor heroes, this mob just ignore reality. In
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  Speaker 1: pursuit of costly ideological dreams. I spoke to you last
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  Speaker 1: night about union bullying and how Labor had let it
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  Speaker 1: off the leash, and how the Prime Minister was just
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  Speaker 1: trying to ignore the problem and hope it would go away.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, wovertide the Prime Minister that should actually challenge
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  Speaker 1: his union masters and stand up for the people of Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Well today, in the face of such weakness, it got worse. Surprise, surprise,
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  Speaker 1: the militant CFMEU has now won more union support over
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  Speaker 1: its threats to the AFL. The unions don't like the
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  Speaker 1: fact that the former industrial umpire former Building and Construction Commissioner,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen McBurney, is now in charge of the AFL's umpiring division,
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  Speaker 1: and they want him sacked. They're threatening industrial chaos for
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  Speaker 1: AFL construction projects like the new Hobart Stadium if he stays.
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  Speaker 1: The CFMEMEU faced dozens of actions, including criminal prosecutions, and
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  Speaker 1: was hit with millions of dollars in fines by the
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  Speaker 1: Building and Construction Commission until Labor came to office and
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  Speaker 1: conveniently scrapped it. Here's the cfmeu's John Sedke yesterday.
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  Speaker 8: I will not make it any threat. So we're talking
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  Speaker 8: about exposing people. I mean, people like McBurney can't attack
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  Speaker 8: workers and their conditions and be so undemocratic. They make
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  Speaker 8: in North Korea look like a democracy and then just
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  Speaker 8: right off into the sunset like nothing's ever happened. I
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  Speaker 8: mean there is going to be consequences.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, consequences. Hey, not a threat at all. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: Electric Electrical Trades Union and the Plumbers Union have promised
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  Speaker 1: to back this blatant example of union bullying. That's three
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  Speaker 1: thuggish unions, not trying to try to protect workers, not
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  Speaker 1: trying to keep people in a job, but trying to
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  Speaker 1: get someone sacked, trying to get someone who has nothing
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  Speaker 1: to do with them anymore sacked. And the threats are spreading.
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  Speaker 1: The Transport Workers' Union is threatening trouble for Virgin Airlines
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  Speaker 1: depending who it chooses to install as its next CEO.
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  Speaker 1: What do you expect when the Albanezi labor government has
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  Speaker 1: a hands off approach to union misbehavior when it scrapped
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  Speaker 1: a union watchdog. Remember I showed you yesterday that this
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  Speaker 1: is all the Prime Minister would say about the AFL issue.
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  Speaker 7: Yesterday I removed John Seka from the Labor Party many
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  Speaker 7: years ago as one of my first acts as leader.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about ducking the central issue. The opposition has gone
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  Speaker 1: in hard.
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  Speaker 9: We know the CFMU donates four and a half million
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  Speaker 9: dollars a.
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  Speaker 1: Year to the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 9: But the Prime Minister needs to stand up for Australians
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  Speaker 9: and to stand up against this bullying. The Prime Minister
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  Speaker 9: would be the first out of the blocks, as any
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  Speaker 9: of us would, to condemn bullying in the workplace.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually. Today Albanezi was forced to address the issue, well
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  Speaker 1: kind of. There was no admonishing of the unions, no
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  Speaker 1: demand to stop this sort of bullying and intimidation, just
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  Speaker 1: some kind of weird appeal to common sense.
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  Speaker 7: It obviously is absurd to suggest that the decision I've
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  Speaker 7: never heard of this blake. To be honest, AFL, I'm
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  Speaker 7: not even sure what the job is running the judishary
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  Speaker 7: or the refs, the umpiring, the umpiring. There you go,
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  Speaker 7: the umpiring. That's a matter for the AFL frankly, and
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  Speaker 7: I don't think there's too much except to say that
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  Speaker 7: that's the case. Common sense tells you that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there you go. I could sum up that attitude.
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  Speaker 1: I could sum up the Prime minister's response to yet
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  Speaker 1: another tough issue with a bit of music power, Bo says,
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  Speaker 1: is not not responsible. Shut not notsponsible.
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  Speaker 2: She can't answer for he gets up due he.
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  Speaker 1: Thinks is not not not responsible. Shut nuts. I know
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  Speaker 1: you love it, even if you pretend you hate it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Albanez is trying to escape responsibility yet again. He abolished
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  Speaker 1: the Building and Construction Commission, he let the militant unions
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  Speaker 1: off the leash, and now he's too afraid to criticize them.
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  Speaker 1: He just pretends it's someone else's problem. All this ducking
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  Speaker 1: for cover, It'll be Albo's problem soon enough. During the pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: from very early on and then all the way through,
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  Speaker 1: one of the measures I railed again, railed against, most
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  Speaker 1: often and most passionately, was the closure of schools. I
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  Speaker 1: interviewed a range of respected medical experts along the way
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  Speaker 1: who explained how the low risk of COVID, that explained
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  Speaker 1: that it was a low risk to children, kids just
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  Speaker 1: simply weren't getting sick, weren't getting severe symptoms from COVID,
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  Speaker 1: and explained that it was actually the worst thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: These experts, they told us confirms the worst thing to
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  Speaker 1: do was to close schools. The kids needed to be
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  Speaker 1: at school because school closess would cause many other problems
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  Speaker 1: such as mental health issues and of course failed educations.
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  Speaker 1: Have you looked at this from early twenty twenty and
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  Speaker 1: another serious thing we got to look at as schools.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, the reality is that children really seem to
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  Speaker 8: get this less frequently. This is different to flu where
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  Speaker 8: you would close schools, but they get it less frequently,
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  Speaker 8: and they also have less complications, not that they can't,
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  Speaker 8: but schools are really fundamental.
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  Speaker 1: Are we going to close them for six months? What
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  Speaker 1: we need to do is protect the people.
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  Speaker 3: At school who are at risk, which is anybody over
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  Speaker 3: the age of seventy I think.
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  Speaker 2: Should not go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Of course in some states they did close them
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  Speaker 1: for six months and more. We failed to stop this.
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  Speaker 1: We all failed. All the voices of reason were drowned
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  Speaker 1: out for two years of panic and overreach. But afterwards
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  Speaker 1: one of the men who helped lead the federal government's
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  Speaker 1: approach confirm the mistake.
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  Speaker 10: We should think of it as now a mainstream and
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  Speaker 10: consensus view that school closures were wrong. I think that
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  Speaker 10: is the view of most people in the country. But
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  Speaker 10: exploring why they might have happened.
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  Speaker 1: Could I just jump in for a minute. Sorry, but
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  Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of time point about this is,
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  Speaker 1: of course from that report that we know they were wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But you knew that, and governments knew that within six
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  Speaker 1: months of the pandemic beginning. Yes we did, we did.
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  Speaker 1: We knew all that.
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  Speaker 10: That was the evidence, Chris, and yet contrary policy was implemented.
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  Speaker 10: I think it was based on fear. I don't think
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  Speaker 10: it was based on the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Extraordinary, isn't it?
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  Speaker 7: Well?
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned this now because we're still having trouble getting
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  Speaker 1: kids back to school. I showed you last year and
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  Speaker 1: had run by the New South Wales Education Department trying
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  Speaker 1: to remind kids and parents that turning up is actually
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  Speaker 1: pretty useful, And now they're running radio ads.
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  Speaker 10: Does it really matter if I have a day of school,
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  Speaker 10: I mean a day here and there to chill out.
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  Speaker 9: Isn't that bad?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Sure?
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  Speaker 4: I did miss Ben's epic half court basket right as
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  Speaker 4: the bell rang.
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  Speaker 10: And I didn't get the study group I wanted because
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  Speaker 10: I was away that day. But what else did I miss?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I just go to school every day.
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  Speaker 11: Is kind of important. Make sure your kids don't miss
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  Speaker 11: the important stuff at school because every day matters.
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  Speaker 1: What a sad indictment on government say. They closed schools
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  Speaker 1: when they didn't need to. They got people used to
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  Speaker 1: the idea that you didn't actually need to turn up.
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  Speaker 1: And now educations are still suffering and they're spending more
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  Speaker 1: of our tax dollars trying to repair the damage they've created.
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  Speaker 1: Governments so often, so often they're the problem, not the solution,
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  Speaker 1: and our COVID response was way over the top. We
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  Speaker 1: need that Royal Commission. Now, let's catch up with the
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  Speaker 1: Nationals Member for Mali and Victoria and Webster and always
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  Speaker 1: good to talk to you. I want to get to
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  Speaker 1: this issue that's so important for our kids, and that
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  Speaker 1: is a social media and keeping them off it until
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  Speaker 1: they're sixteen at least without parental consent. Peter Dutton is
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  Speaker 1: promising to legislate this. It's going to be difficult. This
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  Speaker 1: is a coalition election promise, Isn't it clear and simple?
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  Speaker 1: Within one hundred days you will legislate to somehow make
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  Speaker 1: sure the digital giants have the proper checks in place.
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  Speaker 12: Absolutely, Chris and I just applaud Peter Dutton for taking
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  Speaker 12: such a firm stand on this as you've just spoken
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  Speaker 12: about the COVID years. We had children on iPads talking
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  Speaker 12: to friends. You know, it was just the one moment
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  Speaker 12: of sanity for them. But we're past that now, and
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  Speaker 12: I for one want to see our children live safely.
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  Speaker 1: We've got all.
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  Speaker 12: Kinds of rules around what can be printed, what can
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  Speaker 12: be on television at certain times of the day, movie ratings,
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  Speaker 12: and yet social media is a free for all. And
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  Speaker 12: while we might have had parents in the past with
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  Speaker 12: a remote control in their hand to switch the channel,
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  Speaker 12: that's not happening on social media. And I believe that
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  Speaker 12: age verification, whether it's with biometrics, whatever it might be,
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  Speaker 12: is absolutely essential.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I think most
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  Speaker 1: people would. I'm lucky my two older boys kind of
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  Speaker 1: got through into sort of adulthood before it was big.
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  Speaker 1: But I've got a couple of pre teens now, and
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  Speaker 1: so I'm very focused on this. It's not going to
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  Speaker 1: be easy to do. Here's Peter Dutton talking about that.
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  Speaker 9: I just don't think it's good enough for us to
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  Speaker 9: say that we've got a massive spike in the number
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  Speaker 9: of mental health instances that these companies need to be
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  Speaker 9: precured and if we do nothing, that the red lines
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  Speaker 9: continue to be crossed. And so I think we can
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  Speaker 9: work with the technology companies. We can work through the
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  Speaker 9: tax system or whatever is required to budge these companies
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  Speaker 9: into an outcome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter Dutton. There, what he's saying there, really, Anne Webster,
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  Speaker 1: is that you don't have a detailed plan yet. You're
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  Speaker 1: going to promise to do this, but exactly how you're
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  Speaker 1: going to get the companies to play ball isn't really
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  Speaker 1: available to you yet. Well it's not.
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  Speaker 12: And Michelle Roland has been drag kicking and screaming to
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  Speaker 12: the point where she has agreed that age verification ought
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  Speaker 12: to be looked at at six point five million dollars
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  Speaker 12: by the Labor government eventually to start looking into this.
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  Speaker 12: It is difficult. I was on a select committee back
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  Speaker 12: in twenty twenty one. We were looking at social media,
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  Speaker 12: we were looking at gambling, we were looking at pawn
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  Speaker 12: online in terms of keeping our children safe, and that
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  Speaker 12: particular select committee came up with several recommendations.
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  Speaker 1: And they ought to be looked at.
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  Speaker 12: But all the conversations and inquiry that we held showed
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  Speaker 12: that it absolutely was difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I reckon they can do it. I reckon they
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  Speaker 1: can do it in the cancer because they know exactly
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  Speaker 1: what we're talking about. They know what products to sell
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  Speaker 1: to whoever they can. They seen to ban all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of information streams they don't like, so they can't tell
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  Speaker 1: me that their technology isn't up to doing this. Just
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  Speaker 1: briefly out of left field. On the economy, and I
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  Speaker 1: know the unemployment figures are out today. It's ticked down
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  Speaker 1: again from four point one to four percent. Good news.
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  Speaker 1: People are still getting jobs in the country. But this
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  Speaker 1: increases the chances of interest rates going up again, doesn't it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I believe so, yes.
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  Speaker 12: And we've got to remember that businesses and families are
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  Speaker 12: going through effectively a personal GDP recession, and we have
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  Speaker 12: been dropping down for the last five quarters. So what
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  Speaker 12: we need is productivity, and we might be putting on
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  Speaker 12: more people, but is that sustainable into the future given
• 18:37
  Speaker 12: all the policies that labor have actually introduced that really
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  Speaker 12: make it harder to employ people. It's certainly true in
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  Speaker 12: my electorate, in farming communities, it is just not easy.
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  Speaker 12: So you know, I guess we just continue to watch
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  Speaker 12: this space put pressure on the labor government.
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  Speaker 1: To do more yeah, it is a bit worrying. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for joining us and Webster there from Amali the Western Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: The economic situation is a worry because we are still
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  Speaker 1: as and just mentioned in a per capita recession that
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  Speaker 1: means we're all going backwards. Now, I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about energy. As I mentioned at the top of the program,
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  Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe the Prime Minister today when he
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  Speaker 1: said I showed you this earlier what he said about
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  Speaker 1: electricity prices today.
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  Speaker 7: Cost of living relief is our number one policy and
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  Speaker 7: that's why as well, our energy policy is aimed fairly
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  Speaker 7: and squarely at support for the cheapest form of new energy.
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  Speaker 7: We know that's renewables.
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  Speaker 1: Really, are Labor and Albanezy really going to go to
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  Speaker 1: the next election again making an electoral pitch that they
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: can deliver lower power prices. I took it up with
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the Shadow Energy Minister Ted O'Brien.
• 19:49
  Speaker 13: We've heard it all before, Chris, We've heard it all before.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: His word is his bond.
• 19:54
  Speaker 13: Australians, you're going to receive a two hundred and seventy
• 19:57
  Speaker 13: five dollars reduction in your power bills. Vote Labor, vote Labor.
• 20:01
  Speaker 13: We heard it all they've already sold that one. They've
• 20:04
  Speaker 13: already failed on that one. I cannot find one person
• 20:09
  Speaker 13: in my electorate who believes that Anthony Alberanezi is actually
• 20:13
  Speaker 13: going to deliver on his promise of a two hundred
• 20:15
  Speaker 13: and seventy five dollars reduction household power bills. Now if
• 20:18
  Speaker 13: he really wants to take to the election the next election,
• 20:22
  Speaker 13: another false promise, sure thing, bring it on albow, because
• 20:26
  Speaker 13: nobody believes you made You've let them down.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: You have let them down.
• 20:30
  Speaker 13: Nobody trusts you. On electricity, everybody knows is only going
• 20:35
  Speaker 13: to get worse under labor.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: So that's my response to it. Chris, Yeah, not a
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: bad response. It is pretty audacious after the turner and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: seventy five dollars promise and power price is going in
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the other direction to try the same argument yet again.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: But we will see that there's lots to play out
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: in this debate, of course. Ten and what we need
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: is more detail about the coalition plans. We know you're
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: going to go nuclear, but first of all, how are
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you going to fund that? What's that to do to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the cost of electricity in the medium and to long
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and long term? But also we need to know how
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you're going to fill in the gap. How are you
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: going to deliver enough affordable, reliable electricity between now and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: say the next ten or fifteen years where nuclear can
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: come online.
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: Chris, it's a great question because you have to focus
• 21:21
  Speaker 13: on the problem we need to solve, and the problem
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: is ninety percent of our baseload power is going to
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: exit the grid in ten years under labor, ninety percent
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: of baseload power gone blown up, demolished, never to come back,
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: and there is Buckley's chance that Labor is going to
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: be able to keep the lights on it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: That's the problem we have to solve.
• 21:42
  Speaker 13: Now, all roads lead to the knee. For gas, we
• 21:45
  Speaker 13: need to pour more gas into the market. We shouldn't
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: be closing baseload power stations prematurely as we continue to
• 21:53
  Speaker 13: roll out renewables, but over the medium to long term,
• 21:57
  Speaker 13: as COLE eventually does exit for the system, we need
• 22:01
  Speaker 13: to introduce zero emissions nuclear energy. And to get to
• 22:06
  Speaker 13: your question on costings, the way that we've been going
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: about this is to learn from overseas. Those countries that
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: have a balanced mix of technologies. They kick the prices down,
• 22:18
  Speaker 13: and you need to do the calculation by putting the consumer,
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: the household, and the business at the center to say
• 22:25
  Speaker 13: the entire system is what we pay for in our bill.
• 22:28
  Speaker 13: We need to keep the system costs down and the
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: big difference over time is going to be we will
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: avoid an enormous rollout in network charges, polls and wires
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: because we'll be able to have a concentration of twenty
• 22:43
  Speaker 13: four to seven baseline zero emissions power stations.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gas is the key issue here. Obviously, we need
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: gas to firm up renewables. In the interim. We can't
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: get rid of any gas generation. We'll probably have to
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: put in more. But obviously you need to explore and
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: exploit more as to keep the prices down domestically, and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: there are some big lessons being learned overseas at the moment.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: We know that Jacinda Ardern in a country that really
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't use a hell of a lot of gas to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: generate electricity, something less than twenty percent. But even there,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: when they banned gas exploration, they've found themselves caught short.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: They've had blackouts at times because they haven't had enough
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: gas generation, and now they're overturning that band.
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: You're right, Chris, Then all we do need to do
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: is look at other countries. We only need to look
• 23:32
  Speaker 13: over the ditch to see what's happening in New Zealand.
• 23:35
  Speaker 13: We need to learn the lessons from those countries that
• 23:38
  Speaker 13: have been struggling and those countries.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: That are doing well.
• 23:42
  Speaker 13: But the lessons always come back to be the same.
• 23:44
  Speaker 13: You need to have a balanced mix. You need to
• 23:47
  Speaker 13: have base load twenty four to seven power in there,
• 23:50
  Speaker 13: and you need to have gas. I mean gas has
• 23:52
  Speaker 13: that extraordinarybility to ramp up, ramp down, to accommodate and
• 23:56
  Speaker 13: compliment renewables. But if you want to take in all
• 23:59
  Speaker 13: their in one basket approach, well, the lights go out,
• 24:04
  Speaker 13: and the operator here in Australia is warning lights could
• 24:08
  Speaker 13: go out here as soon as next summer. Why we're
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: closing those baseload power stations early and Labor is suffocating
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: gas and they totally stalled their renewables rollout, so you
• 24:23
  Speaker 13: end up not having enough energy, so you turn on
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: the lights and the lights won't turn on. This is
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: what we are facing in our future, which is why
• 24:31
  Speaker 13: from the coalition's perspective, we are absolutely determined to call
• 24:36
  Speaker 13: Labor out for their failures as we comprehensively put together
• 24:40
  Speaker 13: our policy that will present to the Australian people in
• 24:43
  Speaker 13: due course.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Well, it looks like the UK I run into trouble
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: too because kea start of the Labor opposition leader likely
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to be the next prime minister. He's talking about banning
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: gas exploration in the North Sea as well. At least
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: they've got nuclear and a few transmission lines into Europe.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: But they could run into strife doing that as well.
• 25:03
  Speaker 13: I don't know enough about what he is saying, but
• 25:07
  Speaker 13: I am concerned if the UK is going to go
• 25:10
  Speaker 13: down a similar path and not learn lessons.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: From other countries.
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: But you're right, at least the UK seem to have
• 25:16
  Speaker 13: bipartisanship when it comes to the importance of zero missions
• 25:20
  Speaker 13: nuclear energy. You need to make sure you've got that
• 25:23
  Speaker 13: baseload power there. But again, gas is key, Chris. Now,
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: a lot of people think, oh, well, you know that's
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: not politically trendy to talk about gas. Well i'll tell
• 25:33
  Speaker 13: you what's not trending is the lights going out. Australians
• 25:37
  Speaker 13: right now on their knees because of the power bills.
• 25:40
  Speaker 13: They can't pay the bills right now, and so learn
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: the lessons from overseas. That balanced mix is absolutely critical
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: for Australia. That means we need more gas to firm
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: up renewables and over time we need to have zero
• 25:54
  Speaker 13: missions nuclear come into the grid.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Ted, Thanks for much. Quiz todo Brian. There,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the energy debate continues. Don't go away. After the breakday,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: We're going to catch up with Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Some big news out of the ABC. You're going to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: tell you what the ABC chair has been saying, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: one of our favorite idea logs at the ABC is
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: finally going. Also, we'll check in on Kamala Harris. You
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: won't believe she's been saying. Next, so much to talk
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: about with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegrapher, Mark Nicholson
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: from step Mate Studios. Let's bring him in. Great to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: talk to you guys. We're I've got to have some
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: fun with some stuff later on, but I want to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: start with something out of the blue. I was just
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: this was drawn to my attention actually watching Ross Screenwood
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: in the previous hour. The figures out today showing record
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: population growth in this country. No wonder we're sort of
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: bursting apart at the seams at the moment, no one,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: no one. We've got a housing crisis and people are
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: grumpy about it. Six hundred and fifty thousand people, or
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: two and a half percent our population grew in the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: last year. That's some kind of record in numerical terms,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of course, but it's two and a half percent increase. Now,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand of that is natural baby news. There's
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: always good news baby news, isn't it, Tim? But the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: point is five hundred and fifty thousand through immigration, half
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: a million people more than through immigration out of time
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: when things are tough, more than the population of Tasmania
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: added in one year. How long can we sustain this? Tim?
• 27:32
  Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, there's nothing wrong at all with a growing
• 27:35
  Speaker 14: in larger Australia. Obviously, we've always grown, we've always gotten bigger.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 14: The problem is the best the population gets bigger, The
• 27:41
  Speaker 14: best of quite big about the coumpty SD get bigger
• 27:46
  Speaker 14: as well, things like schools, ro It's, hospitals and so on.
• 27:50
  Speaker 14: But we've got a smallest radio mentality. When it comes
• 27:52
  Speaker 14: to infrastructure, we don't like ideas like you know, American
• 27:55
  Speaker 14: style overpasses and clover Ly's sort of exchanges that would
• 27:58
  Speaker 14: help people get in there, say cities like Sydney, you know,
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: which force everyone to go through suburbs rather than through exchanges,
• 28:05
  Speaker 14: all through incredibly much more expensive tunnels. We think small
• 28:08
  Speaker 14: in these regards and then big when it comes to population.
• 28:11
  Speaker 14: It don't make sense, by friend.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. I like you. I mean, Australia's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: story is a story of immigration, and so we always
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: need it. But it's outstripping supply of houses and all
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: those that other infrastructure. Tim mentions Mart, everything.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Is falling apart. You're dead on the car park that
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I just tried to drive in that was packed.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Tim's Internet. There's too many people on the Internet. That's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: falling apart.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And if you ask Albanesi, you say, you know you
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: can't get any bigger than this. He thinks, I disagree.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It can get way bigger than this.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: For old Albert now, I want to get to get
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: onto the ABC and something he's been brought to my
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: attention that has been uttered by the chair of the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: a b C, Kim Williams. He's the new guys supposed
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to sort out all the bias issues and he was
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: speaking at a public function about the coalition's nuclear energy policy,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and he said, back in his day, you'd have a
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: proper green paper, white paper process. Here, Kim, that's if
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you're in government. He says, they've done the policy process
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: all wrong. And here he is here, he says, to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: announce something as a SoundBite with no detail, no detail
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: as to emissions targets. And look, I'm not being political,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not being in any way speaking for the ABC.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: He says, I'm speaking as an Australian citizen and I'm entitled.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: You bet. You are like any Australian citizen to have
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: a view as to the necessity of good public policy
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in our nation. And the coalition's nuclear pan plan would
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: seem to be absent many of the constitual elements that
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: are absolutely core to the announcement of an execution of
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: important policy initiatives. Rather worthy there, Tim, and very very valid,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of course, But you've got to be in government to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: do these green paper, white paper processes, Kim Williams. But
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the other point that just stands out, like the proverbial
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to meet Tim, is that he doesn't mind labor has
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: some ram show call renewables, plug it in here, build
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a soul of farm here, let's get some transmission over
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: your farm. No one has to have a proper policy
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: and a cost benefit analysis for that. It's only the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: coalition's policy he puts under any scrutiny.
• 30:14
  Speaker 14: There's absolutely that it's a very one sided level of
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: sort of criticism and everyone on the left is sort
• 30:21
  Speaker 14: of guilty of. But I would say this is about
• 30:23
  Speaker 14: about mister Williams and the ABC because there's great controversy
• 30:27
  Speaker 14: surroundings that he's been seen to be violating the rules
• 30:32
  Speaker 14: as they stand about not being biased or someone or
• 30:35
  Speaker 14: giving some sort of evidence of political bias. There's an
• 30:37
  Speaker 14: easy way to solve it. Propertize the whole thing. Then
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: you don't have to worry about the government being involved.
• 30:42
  Speaker 14: You don't have to worry about, you know, appearing before
• 30:43
  Speaker 14: Senate Estimates committees every second week. You can just be
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: an entity that says whatever you want. And as well,
• 30:50
  Speaker 14: i'd counsel Ken Williams to stop talking like he's in
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: Charles Dickens' novel and maybe communicate these friends on a
• 30:56
  Speaker 14: level that all of us can understand.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, God, look, you know he's a very smart man.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I've met Kim Williams a couple of times. He's no
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: doubt he's a very smart and accomplished man. But mark
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the way to try and convince people that the organizing
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you're running, the organization you're running is not as biased
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to the green left as everybody argues, is not to
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: go into a public forum and start slamming the coalition
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: on the sort of tootemic green left issue of climate.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Policy on pure procedure as well. No, no politics on
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: pure procedure. But yeah, no, no real politics. Definitely not
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a politic. I didn't get told by a lawyer to
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: say that exactly, but we all knew that he was
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: ideologically rigid. We all knew he was left, even though
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: he hadn't come out and said it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: We could tell by the glasses.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: He can tell that's a left leading set of glasses,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent the perfectly circular glasses. Yeah, he's obviously
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: not a journalist, but you're right, fellas, it's one hundred
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: percent right. When the rots all the way to the top,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: it just it sends a really bad message as an institution. Yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: to be saying things like this, so the mouth shut.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I love your assessment there. The criticism is just on procedure. Yeah,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the procedure is not complicated enough. You haven't made it
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: bureaucratic enough. Dang it, you're just talking about reliable, affordable energy.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Why not complicated a bit?
• 32:18
  Speaker 15: Now?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: The great news out of the ABC. My phone's going nutsy.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Everywhere around the country wants to text me this story.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they think I've got an interest
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: in it, but they've just announced that Paul Barry won't
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: be hosting Media Watcher after the end of this year,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: which I think is something he had to retire at
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: some stage. I would have thought ten years ago might
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: have been the go. And he's by no means the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: worst host of Media Watch they've ever had, and tim
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: no doubt they'll just be casting the net far and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: wide now for another old Pommey left. He to start
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: bashing News Corp. Every Monday night.
• 32:50
  Speaker 14: Well, why don't they just keep recycling them? I mean,
• 32:52
  Speaker 14: you know, Philip Adams quit or retired or whatever, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 14: he got replaced by David Maher, So just keep going
• 33:00
  Speaker 14: the old white guys. I mean, they're still alive. There's that. Also,
• 33:03
  Speaker 14: I noticed that Paul Barry started started pushing a little
• 33:07
  Speaker 14: talking about ABC and it's you know, it's rules and regulations.
• 33:10
  Speaker 14: And he started lashing out I think it as well
• 33:13
  Speaker 14: about about nucleushes over the weekend and added that you know,
• 33:17
  Speaker 14: I might be in for some counseling. Yeah, he's brave
• 33:19
  Speaker 14: on the way out.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: On the way out, he's gonna swing loose on the
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: way out, no doubt. Even have a few digs at
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the ABC over the rest of the year. That's when
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: he's not tearing wings off flies, mark or or pinning
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: hands to the wall.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: You should throw your hat in the ring, Crease. I
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: should try and to be the head of media watch.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: We could do it.
• 33:40
  Speaker 10: We could have a crack.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: This is it here, this is it here, the three
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: of us. We could do it on a rotational basis.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: It's only a fifteen minute show. You could do it
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: at half the price he was charging. Men three men.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the solution, Crease.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Of course, it's coming in. See no evil here, No
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: evil will speak no evil. That'll be us. Now, let's
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: have some fun, because it's always fun to think about
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the dementia that is now leading the free world. There's
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: some funny takes on Joe Biden's We've had a few
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: laughs about Joe Biden's struggles to get out whatever it
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: is he's trying to say over the past couple of years.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: But have a look at this social media take. She
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: knows so long as he was nine, I freedom can
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: never be secured. Job mind do your bedrob, I am.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I think the consensus is the babysit at best.
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: Well, you know, I'm just glad that we're focusing on
• 34:39
  Speaker 14: what's coming out of the baby's mouth, because it could
• 34:41
  Speaker 14: be that Joe Biden and that infant have something else
• 34:44
  Speaker 14: in common anatomically or developmentally ones the ones at the
• 34:48
  Speaker 14: early stage and the other ones on the way out.
• 34:50
  Speaker 14: So let's not look for any YouTube evidence of that place.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you're not suggesting anything to do with
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the attire there will. I want to the comforting thing,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and I say that with the utmost irony is that
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: if anything happens to Joe Biden, Kamala Harris will be
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the president. And I want to show you the latest
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: comments from her that perhaps it's had self regarding, but
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: at least as usual she finds something to laugh about.
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: To aspire to create wealth is a good thing as
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: far as I'm concerned. If that is what one chooses. I,
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: on the other hand, have chosen to live a life
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: of public service. But I am all for it, even
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: get yours. If that's what you want, we try, And
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: that's what this tour is about.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: God bless her mark, because that's some self awareness there.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I too would laugh at the concept of her being
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: devoted to public service.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's at that laugh, Chris, That laugh is horrible.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I've got an annoying laugh. But that's something else Stevid Males.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Actually he's looking even better every day on the back
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: end of seeing Kamala Harris laugh.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: That is horrible. But yeah, I think the stat came out.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Isn't she worth something like eight million dollars or something
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: like that?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say, let's have a look at this. Forbes
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: did an estimate of a net worth. They reckon her
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and a husband are worth up to eight million dollars,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: up from seven million a couple of years ago. And
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: that's twenty times the median net worth of Americans. And
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: she's paid upwards of three hundred thousand dollars us Greenback's
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: real dollars. Tim, So she's not really living a life
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of privation.
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: Well, all these things are relative.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Chris.
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: We're living in the world where Cape Blanchetta's middle class.
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: So therefore, you know, Kamala Harris can can easily present
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: us off by that token, can easily present us off
• 36:48
  Speaker 14: as really being on struggles street USA, can't.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: She She can, and we can all have a laugh
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: about it, but never can we laugh as much as
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: she does. I just want to show you something that
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: happened to the baseball game. Understand baseball a lot, and
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I understand it even less after watching this.
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  Speaker 16: This happened at the Reds game just a little while ago.
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  Speaker 16: A fan runs out onto the field at Great American Ballpark.
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  Speaker 14: He runs up to a Cleveland player.
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  Speaker 16: He does a backflip as you see right there, and
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  Speaker 16: then of course gets tased. It's all over social media
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  Speaker 16: at the moment you can see two officers then take
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  Speaker 16: the man into custody for working to learn if he's
• 37:25
  Speaker 16: going to face any charges. He did that flip right
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  Speaker 16: in front of the officer. You think you check your
• 37:30
  Speaker 16: surroundings before you did it.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that is cruel mark to ties to
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  Speaker 1: someone after a backflip like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's an incredible backflip. You spot on Christopher, that is
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: a beautiful backflip. I thought that was the land of
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the Free as well. I thought you can get away
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: with that sort of stuff. And even though you said
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: you'd never been to a baseball game, I went to
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: one when I was in the States. A lot more
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: boring than you think. Why more boring than you think
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: saying it? Bloke, come out do a backflip like that
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  Speaker 2: deserves a standing up.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: It's just what does need you know? I went to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: a game at Yankee Stadium once. I was amazed. Now board,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: they can never call cricket boring until you sat through
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: about ten innings in baseball waiting for someone to do
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a backflip. Never happens. Thanks for joining us, guys. We'll
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: catch you next week. Tim Blair and Martin Nicholson. You
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: see Martin Nichols and stuff from the Please explain cartoons
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: via Paul and and Hanson's website, and you can read
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Tim blair stuff in the Daily Telegraph. Go to his
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: blog via their website too. Now don't go away. After
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the break, we're going to talk about the swimmer Leah Thomas.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Her legal bid to qualify for the Paris Olympics Games
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: has been thrown out, and I'm going to speak with
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: broadcaster Lucy Zelich, who's fighting for fairness for women in sport.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Sanity has prevailed in the world of sport with a
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: ruling about a transgender athlete's bid to swim in the Olympics.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: American transgender swimmer Leah Thomas hope to swim for the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: USA at the Olympics as a female despite being a
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: biological male, to ruling against this, claiming it was discriminatory
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  Speaker 1: against her as a transgender person. But Thomas has lost
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: her final appeal and will not compete at the Olympics.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I guess she could also try and qualify in the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: men's events. I suppose that's one option for her. This
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: world famous case, of course, highlights an issue that's causing
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of anks to rite around the world at
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: a grassroots level, including here in Australia, where biological men
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: have been allowed to play in Aussie Rules, in soccer,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and even in netball competitions. Sports broadcaster Lucy Zelich has
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: outspoken on the behalf and on behalf of the rights
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: of women and girls, and I'm pleased to say she
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: joins me now, thanks for joining us. Lucy, of course
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: your real passion is soccer, is football, and especially women
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and girls playing the sport. There's never been a time
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: and there's been so much focus on women's football because
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the Matildas are such as become such a sporting icons
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: for this country. But there are women and girls playing
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: this sport in Australia who are having to play against
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: biological men's. Now, how common is this, how many transgender
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: athletes are there in the sport, and how much of
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: a problem do you think it's creating? Well, Chris, it's.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Creating a huge problem. As to the figures on this,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: we're still working through that at the moment. When I
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: have spoken to administrators, it's been very difficult to get
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: to the bottom of that because legally they don't actually
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: have to acknowledge that they are transgender. We've got more
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: sound statistics coming out of the UK. For example, in
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: football alone, there's an estimated seventy four trans identified males
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: participating across the football competitions there. But now that I've
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: sort of entered this space and this public arena, one
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: of the more shocking things has been is just how
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: little regard the respective governing bodies at both state and
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: national level across a multitude of sports have shown for
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: their female participants, and I think that's been the real
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: issue for me as a journalist as well, the perversion
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: of the truth. I mean, we've seen the International Olympics
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Committee come out this week and create an entire list
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: of so called problematic language. There's nothing problematic with referring
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: to the biological sex of somebody. But what is problematic
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: is attempting to obscure the truth and run this communist
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: style regime where they're instructing journalists on what to say.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: So there are a vast range of issues across the
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: board here that need addressing, and it's why I've been
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: very outspoken about it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I really admire your stance because I know the flat
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that will come your way. I know that other people
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: who speak in this space they get a lot of
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: attacks and it's not comfortable. And you're defending the rights
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: of other women and of girls. I know you've got
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a daugh to yourself. You'll be wanting to clear the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: way for your own daughter, and so it's very admirable.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I want to show a statement that Football Australia have
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: sent you. They're saying they're trying to do something in
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: this space. They're undertaking a consultation process, is that they're
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: going to change policies or some such and they're saying
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: their goal is to arrive at a fair and reasonable
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: outcome that respects the diverse perspectives within our community. I
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: would have thought it's much more clear cut than that, Lucy.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: It's just about protecting the integrity of women's sport and
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: being fair to women and girls.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: It's very clear cut, Chris, and that's why my biggest
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: question in all of this, particularly off the back of
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: receiving what I determined very quickly upon finishing reading it
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: was a very hollow and feeble attempt to try and
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: bat this situation away and tick the box of Yes,
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: we've responded to her queries for clarity around what the
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: governing body's position on this is. But ultimately, as we said,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: it's very clear cut. You've got existing legislation that lies
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: within the Sex Discrimination Act which points to sporting exemptions
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: that specifically acknowledge the biological differences between males and females,
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: and that the reason that this exemption exists is to
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: ensure the protection of the female category and to provide
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: a level playing field that's very clear and obvious. The
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: science is also very clear and obvious on this. We
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: know that there are advantages and significantages that biological males
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: possess against women in the sporting arena. It's why these
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: categories were created in the first place. We've seen a
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: host of other major governing bodies across the world, like
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: World Aquatics and World Athletics lean on the science and
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: reputable science as well, by the way, not some nebulous
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: terms that have been thrown around by so called academics,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: and we've also seen twenty six academics lodge complaints against
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: the International Committee's stance. I mean, it seems as though
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: for many of these organizations who are choosing to stand
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: by this concept of only being able to compete in
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: sport as one's affirmed gender and their identity, it seems
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: that they're hell bent on not just destroying their credibility,
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: but also ignoring the truth and the biological facts that
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: are very deeply rooted in science and a deep acknowledgment
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: across everybody. I mean, you don't have to be a
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: medical practitioner or a science or a scientist or a
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: sports administrator to recognize that these differences exist. But now, somehow,
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four, the truth is the most controversial
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: and perverted thing that we can point to in.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: This And it's not anti trans. This is the important
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: thing about it. It's not anti trans. I've known many
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: trans people over the years. I count one transgender woman
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: as a very very close friend. We want transgender people
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to enjoy sport as well. But there are options, right,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, at the elite professional level, you're going to
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: have to play either as a man or a woman.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: But in the lower levels there will be mixed competitions.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: If you like, you can always play in the men's team,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: or you can play in a mixed competition. There's just
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: no need for faster, stronger, heavier males to be playing
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: against little girls or petite women. Is that the way
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you would see it? Cater for everyone, but just be
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: practical about.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: It, absolutely, and you know it's about respecting everybody in
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: this process, but also acknowledging the truth. I'm really glad
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: that you mentioned that this. You know the fact that
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: women like myself and many others who have paid the
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: way in this space long before I entered this discussion publicly,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: have been demonized and been branded transphobic and bigots and
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: anti trands and all of these nasty things, have received
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: death threats. I mean, the abuse that's been thrown at
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: these women for simply standing up for the rights of
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: biological women has been quite frankly disgusting. The fact that
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: organizations are very quickly and very rapidly bending the knee
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: to this gender ideology and not placing their female participants
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: at the forefront of their decisions has been such a
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: perversion of justice in many ways. But ultimately, you know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: the conflation of women's rights and trans rights in these
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: issues is why we've arrived to this destination where we're
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: seeing this so called cultural war, so much debate and
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: so much division, you know, had from the outset the
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: decision been, as I said, to place female participants at
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: the forefront of their decision, we wouldn't be seeing this
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: chaos since you are talking to you. And ultimately, mixed
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: categories or open categories, which is something that World Aquatics
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: did last year. They announced an open category for swimmers
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: at the Elgium Championships and long and behold, Chris, guess
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: what nobody turned up? It didn't turn up right. Sharon Perkins,
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: who's the CEO of Sport Australia, has really been and
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: what I will say, been so disappointing when it comes
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: to the stance on this. In the position on this,
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: he said ultimately that anyone that's basically coming out about
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: this can be attributed to being a bigot and for having.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: You it's weak. They don't want to get the criticism
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and it's one of the reasons. It's one of the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: reasons I admire you so much, Lucy for speaking out
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: on this. All power to you and I hope we
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: can catch up again. Lucy's Elich there broadcaster, joining us
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: from her home in Sydney. Look, the one thing about
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: sport that is more important than anything else is fairness.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: You play sport, you expect fairness and that's what this
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: is about. In the end, It's about fairness to women
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: and girls. And how articulate and smart and brave is
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Lucy's Elich. All power to her for speaking up on
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: this issue. Taking a break now on the other side,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: we're going to go live to London. I'll catch up
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: the former Foreign Minister Alexander Down are pretty keen to
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: get his thoughts on the Chinese premier's visit to Australia
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: plus the rise of the far right in European elections.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Let's go to London and catch up with former Foreign
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Minister Alexander Downer. And Alexander sometimes this hour gets away
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: from me. I apologize, I don't have enough time for you.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: So I really want to get two quick answers from
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you on two big issues. I want to pick your
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: brains on two issues. Firstly, the Chinese premier's visit to Australia.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: He's here and over the next few days. Is this
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a good thing or does it confirm that we've been
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: played off a break? Oh?
• 47:43
  Speaker 15: I think it's a good thing. And it's clear that
• 47:45
  Speaker 15: the government there in Beijing has realized they've made a
• 47:49
  Speaker 15: mistake over the way they've handled Australia. It's got them
• 47:53
  Speaker 15: absolutely nowhere. It's created great mnity and distrust in Australia,
• 47:58
  Speaker 15: and it illustrate it's a point that there's no country
• 48:01
  Speaker 15: that has less soft power than China. They have no
• 48:04
  Speaker 15: influence through soft power because of their bad behavior. So
• 48:08
  Speaker 15: they're trying to rectify that and the Australian government should
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: welcome into Australia and no doubt he'll extend the contract
• 48:16
  Speaker 15: for the Pandas to remain at the Adelaide Zoo.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Indeed, the Pandits can stay and maybe they'll start buying
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: our lobsters again. Now the other question, really can you
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts on, is European elections and the emergence
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: of hard right candidates doing very well. They'll probably be
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: a play a big role in the UK election too.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: To what extent is this a reaction and issues around
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: immigration and Islamism.
• 48:40
  Speaker 15: I don't know whether they're hard right. If you say
• 48:44
  Speaker 15: what that really means, I mean, what the public is
• 48:47
  Speaker 15: saying is that the major political parties no longer have
• 48:51
  Speaker 15: any control over immigration. They don't have rational immigration policies.
• 48:56
  Speaker 15: Is not only does that have economic consequences, but it
• 48:59
  Speaker 15: has social consequences because they see their traditions, their way
• 49:03
  Speaker 15: of life gradually being undermined by very big blows of immigration,
• 49:08
  Speaker 15: particularly illegal immigration, migrants who don't, if you like, integrate
• 49:13
  Speaker 15: into the society. So the public are saying. European public
• 49:17
  Speaker 15: are saying to their leaders or their politicians, we don't
• 49:20
  Speaker 15: want any more of that, Please stop it. And you
• 49:24
  Speaker 15: know the major parties haven't done it, so they've turned
• 49:27
  Speaker 15: various stringe.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you're right. The term hard rights
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: thrown around way too much. For instance, the Italian Prime
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Minister is called hard right when she's really a traditional
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: conservative in many ways. Just very briefly met her and
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: she's a very charming woman. Tommy, did you get that
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: leather jacket from Malcolm Turnbull?
• 49:49
  Speaker 15: Hadn't realized I was wearing. Moved the TV until it
• 49:52
  Speaker 15: was too late.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Thanks for from America, I figured so, Thanks very much,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Alexander down there live from London. That's all the time
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: we got for you this week. Thanks so much for watching.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I look forward to catching up next week. Here's Steve
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Price filling in for Peter Quidlin