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610 CKTB| Forget Drugs & Guns, Canada's Newest Border Probe Targets Paper Plates · Kvetch & Release

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  Speaker 1: Joining US regular contributor John Lidkey is here. Good morning,
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  Speaker 1: Good Morninging. You know when you told me about the story,
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  Speaker 1: I sort of had to laugh because you sort of
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  Speaker 1: gave me a question, and you said, you know, what's
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  Speaker 1: the most pressing issue at the border, And I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: fent and al stopping illegal guns coming in from the
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  Speaker 1: United States into our country. I thought about illegal immigration.
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  Speaker 1: I thought about a lot of different issues. But as
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  Speaker 1: you pointed out, and I thought you were joking, as
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  Speaker 1: you pointed out, turns out its paper plates. And Ottawa
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  Speaker 1: is about to spend a lot of money investigating paper
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  Speaker 1: plates coming across our border. Oh, John, please explain.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it is paper plates from China. Jane, what are
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  Speaker 2: we going to do about it? It's like a throwback
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  Speaker 2: to a nineteen fifties pulp section. Click quite frankly, you
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  Speaker 2: catch that reference there with pulp. Yeah. No, this is
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  Speaker 2: an investigation CBSA has launched into thermo folded molded fiber
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  Speaker 2: table where aka cheap, crappy paper plates and bowls and
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  Speaker 2: platters and stuff. It sounds very silly on its face value.
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  Speaker 2: We're dealing with an erratic president across the border who
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  Speaker 2: has told us to tighten up our border to stop
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  Speaker 2: the flow of fence and all from coming across. And
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  Speaker 2: we can debate the merits of that either way, which
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's as big a deal
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  Speaker 2: as he puts it, not to minimize but instead, CBSA
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  Speaker 2: put out a tweet saying that we are launching a
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  Speaker 2: probe into the subsidization and dumping of paper plates by China,
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  Speaker 2: and I just I looked at this one and I went, really,
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  Speaker 2: is this what we're doing here? This is what we're
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  Speaker 2: doing right now? I get you got to do it,
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  Speaker 2: you guys. I mean, it's the law, but like, maybe
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  Speaker 2: don't promote it or publicize it. It's just it's I
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  Speaker 2: think bad optics.
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  Speaker 1: Well I would agree with you, but you know, only
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  Speaker 1: government would come up with this term thermo formed molded
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  Speaker 1: fiber table, where I mean either paper plates or beat sakes.
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  Speaker 2: I love it, it's so great, it's so incredibly technical.
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  Speaker 2: But how do we employ bureaucrats if we're not going
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  Speaker 2: to go and say five words when one word could
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  Speaker 2: have worked?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, you know what did surprise me? Actually, the
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  Speaker 1: Canadian market for thermo form. Oh, attack, the Canadian market
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  Speaker 1: for paper plates it is estimated at approximately one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars annually. So kidding aside, if I
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  Speaker 1: own a little factory here in the Niagara region and
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  Speaker 1: I'm making Thermo for if I'm making paper plates, I
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  Speaker 1: might be a little upset that China is dumping its
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  Speaker 1: paper plates on my paper plate market.
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  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, and you know we can we can set
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  Speaker 2: the jokes aside them. This is ripe with them, quite frankly.
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  Speaker 2: But this is about protecting Canadian jobs, ensuring a fair
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  Speaker 2: marketplace competition. We want to make sure that goods that
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  Speaker 2: are coming in aren't unfairly priced that can cause as
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  Speaker 2: you were talking about, you know, you don't want to
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  Speaker 2: see job losses. You don't want to see plant may
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  Speaker 2: fifty million dollars a year is nothing to scott that,
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  Speaker 2: quite frankly. And again though, when it comes to Trump,
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  Speaker 2: I think that there's some ways that this could be
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  Speaker 2: framed if he does, you know, catch wind of this,
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  Speaker 2: which you know, knock on wood. I hope that he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't see this whatsoever. But we could explain that this
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  Speaker 2: is just routinely legal, that we're all on the same
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  Speaker 2: page here. It's protecting North American workers North American jobs,
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  Speaker 2: and we could also just say, look, this is not
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  Speaker 2: us the government. These are the trade lawyers. We're able
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  Speaker 2: to walk and chew gum in this country at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, we can even chop down some trees and
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  Speaker 2: convert them too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I thought it was interesting. Last weekend,
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  Speaker 1: the Chinese ambassador to Canada was on the CTV show
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  Speaker 1: with Vaschi Capellos, and he said, look, you drop your mandates.
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  Speaker 1: You dropped the tariff breather on Chinese EV's coming into Canada.
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  Speaker 1: We will drop the tariffs on canola. Now the canola
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  Speaker 1: market in Western Canada is really really hurting because of this.
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  Speaker 1: You know, people really aren't buying evs. You know, the
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  Speaker 1: stats are the stats are out there. And he also said,
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  Speaker 1: you drop these tariffs on Johnny's made EV's and not
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  Speaker 1: only will they buy the canola again, he said, but
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  Speaker 1: we want to buy your crude oil. We want to
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  Speaker 1: buy your liquid natural gas. Do you think Autawa is
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  Speaker 1: going to say you know what, yeah and not make
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  Speaker 1: the mistake that Trudeau said that there was no business
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  Speaker 1: model for selling our crude and liquid natural gas to
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  Speaker 1: other countries.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that we should be horse trading one
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  Speaker 2: industry for another. Here, if the Canola industry is hurting
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  Speaker 2: and the auto industry is hurting, I don't think we
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  Speaker 2: have to make a choice of one or the other,
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  Speaker 2: even though there is only so many dollars and bandwidth possible.
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  Speaker 2: What I would be suggesting here is, as you were
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  Speaker 2: talking about, you know, let's exports and crude that we
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  Speaker 2: do have, let's take a look at the very real
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  Speaker 2: impacts that are going on here. I just saw coming
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  Speaker 2: across my desk out of Ingersoll. GM just announced that
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  Speaker 2: they've killed the break Drop electric delivery van and that's
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  Speaker 2: three hundred jobs in Ingersoll. That just happened about fifteen
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  Speaker 2: minutes ago. So we're dealing with this increased tension here
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  Speaker 2: in Ontario with the auto sector, and I don't think
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  Speaker 2: anybody wants to see the entire auto sector go. There's
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  Speaker 2: also national security concerns from Chinese Eden. They are essentially
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  Speaker 2: drivable spy machines. Not to say that we can't get
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  Speaker 2: that dealt with, but what we need to have is
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  Speaker 2: grow active strategies to deal with this. We need to
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  Speaker 2: act like adults at the table, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: that means having conversations with the medias that are honest
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  Speaker 2: about where we're at in the world, what our capacity is,
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  Speaker 2: what are we actually able to bat at right now?
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  Speaker 2: Are we the blue Jays right now as Canada metaphorically,
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  Speaker 2: you know, at a really good place, or are we
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  Speaker 2: trying to still pull ourselves up the ladder. I would
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  Speaker 2: argue that we are more of the ladder in this
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  Speaker 2: case here, because you know, we're not as strong a
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  Speaker 2: power as we would like to be. It's not to
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  Speaker 2: say that we're pushed aside entirely, but we need to
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  Speaker 2: actually sit down and have a conversation about where we're
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  Speaker 2: at and how we want to respond as a country,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't think we've had that opportunity through the
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  Speaker 2: past couple elections. To be honest, we've had superficial issues.
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  Speaker 1: Now, could you just repeat that story about Ingersoll because
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  Speaker 1: we've got a lot of car I don't say automakers,
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to me. We have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people in the car making industry here in the
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  Speaker 1: Niagara region, you know. And Sti Lattice screwed everything up
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  Speaker 1: in Brampton last week. What's happening in Ingersoll again?
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  Speaker 2: So I guess saw coming across my desk from BNN Bloomberg.
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  Speaker 2: General Motors says it is ending production of the bright
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  Speaker 2: Drop electric delivery van in Ingersoll. They say this decision
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  Speaker 2: was related to low demand for the product and it
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  Speaker 2: won't be moved elsewhere. But they also paused these jobs
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  Speaker 2: back in April, and that was right when Trump started
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  Speaker 2: to actually, you know, get serious about the tariffs and whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: So is this directly linked to tariffs? Hard to say.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that it has to come into play
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. Maybe it has to do more with
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  Speaker 2: the demand for electric vehicles. But again it just it
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  Speaker 2: goes to say, we lost Brampton, now we've lost this
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  Speaker 2: product in Ingersoll. There's concern down here in Windsor about
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  Speaker 2: what the future of the auto sector is, and we
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  Speaker 2: need to have a serious conversation about diversification. We've been
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  Speaker 2: hammering that drum here in Windsor without actually making any
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  Speaker 2: moves on it for the past decade, I think, quite frankly,
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  Speaker 2: since software and I'm glad I'm not an elected official,
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  Speaker 2: don't come to me with the actual answers. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going to complain and plant out the problems.
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  Speaker 1: How many do you hear? How many jobs in ingersol.
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  Speaker 1: Is that again, John?
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  Speaker 2: Three hundred jobs is what I saw.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So now we're up to three thousand and three
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  Speaker 1: hundred in one week in the Canadian industry. Wow, this
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  Speaker 1: is well. You know what. I'm talking to Dan mctigue
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  Speaker 1: coming up next, so I'll talk to him about that
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  Speaker 1: as well. Great having you back on the show this Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: And thank you for the investigative reporting the great Chinese
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  Speaker 1: paper plate conspiracy.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, Jean, I'd love to be here.
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  Speaker 1: All right, There he goes John Lickey. We'll talk to
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  Speaker 1: him again next Tuesday. I wonder how much money the
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  Speaker 1: government is spending on this investigation paper plate dumping. Who
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  Speaker 1: would have thought paper plates? It's one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars annually a market in Canada. Stop those Chinese
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  Speaker 1: paper plates. Don't worry about Fentonol, don't worry about guns.
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  Speaker 1: It's the paper plates that's the threat.