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- Well, hello there everybody. How are you doing? So glad that you are here? And I got to tell you, folks, we're in for a good one. Welcome everybody in the chat room. Thank you. I know you've got you can go anywhere else, but you chose to be here, which is and that's an honor and I appreciate it. And I can assure you today we will not be lacking topic matter. So let me just speak favor over everybody. And before I invite writer in, Nothing missing, nothing broken. Got to speak it every day and then it becomes reality, folks. I am excited returning guests and try Soul Tribe member. When I look at it, mister writer Lee all the way from California. Writer, how are you doing, my friend? I'm doing great, Wayne, Thanks for having me on. Really appreciate it. I'm excited to get into this Converse station because it's always good when we get together. Wayn and hello to everyone in the Soul traffic. Can't see your comments because I don't have the other window pulled up, but thanks for being here everyone. It's active, I can tell you everybody. Thank you moderators. I see all of you a lot of new people stopping in. Thank you, so writer. Uh, we're actually going to be doing a two hour, two part show. We're going to be getting into the topic some subject matter today and then we'll extend that over tomorrow. At what time? Yeah, we talked about that. The answer on that it starts AT's noon PST. I think that would be two in your time. Yeah, all right, folks, you a little hour break in between your show and make sure go chase some chickens, you know. Yeah, I get those chickens. So folks were weird and I'm in the tell everybody about it. Yeah, I'm in Uba City and there's chickens, Like at Uba City, California, which is northern California, about an hour north of Sacramento, and there's chickens everywhere here. And I was talking to people about this a contact in the desert, because I was there with my friend Ryan Gable from the Secret Teachings over the weekend. And I was like, it's so strange because there's no historical record of these chickens when they appeared, how they got here. I mean, there's a lot of theories, but whenever I got here, I was like, man, what is it to deal with? All these chickens. I was like, are they free? Can you just capture these chickens and then just put them in your backyard? Apparently you can if you can get a hold of them. You would need a net or something because there's so many of them. But I was like, does anybody know it? So I started asking people and the drive throughs and like the grocery stores. I was like, where did all these chickens come from? Everyone had a bunch of theories, but no one knew. And then I started researching it online and I'm like, man, I need to make a documentary about these chickens because there's no historical record. No one knows when they came. Some people say that they've always been here. And that's why I asked you whenever you were here? You said you hiked up and down the Ubi City river there. Yeah, the river. Yeah. It was like, did you see the chickens when you were here? Just so I can get a baseline of when they started. No, that's so weird because that would have been in nineteen seventy one. Seventy yes, nineteen seventy one. I don't remember the chickens, you know, but let me so how did they not get hit by cars? I mean, are they just so wild now that you know they're they fly, they don't fly very far like turkeys. I think people are just acclimated to them, to having the I've never seen one dad on the side of the road like, but they are everywhere. They're up and down the street, They're in working lots and grocery stores. The leading theory is that there was this plot of land and this farmer and apparently he let free a bunch of chickens, and then they just became like a commonplace around Yuba City. And that farm has been like shut down and closed now and now there's like a grocery store on top of it. So I was like, man, I want to do a parodied documentary where I just, you know, go in and ask people about these chickens and see what all kinds of wild and crazy theories that I can. Maybe they are the individuals that have gone missing so much in the you know, the forest and in the mountains. Maybe these are Maybe those chickens are like people, you know, but they've come back as chickens. It could be there's a really interesting story that people really need to check out. If they don't know about. It's called the Yuba County Five and it's these this group of boys that went missing in the mountains around Yuba City in beautiful country. Yeah, it was kind of like the sort of a missing for one one. It's been called the America's yachtlav Pass event, the Yuba five. Yeah, the Yuba County five. Yeah, okay, check, Yeah, people should look into that one. I had heard of it a long time ago. I'd watched a video on it. But then when I was telling Jay where I was, he was like, look into Yuba County five and he was like, you're no one's ever been able to figure it out. And I was like, all right, well I'll look into it. And I looked into it, and it's very interesting. You know, that whole part of northern California. I mean it's there's a lot of folklore, a lot of you know, local mysticism on, you know, a lot of strange stuff. Yeah. I'm only about an hour and a half away from Mount Shasta, so the shots is around an hour and a half further north where I am. So I'm definitely going to go up there sometime this summer, just to go up and check it out. Energy people kind of forget about northern California, you know what I mean, Like they can consider like southern California to be like where it's happening and where it's popping. But there's a lot of farm land up here. It's almost a completely different kind of state than southern California. Have you been on the Yuba River? No? Oh? I actually yeah, Well we went up to a hiking hiking spot where the Yuba River is, Like there's a they turned it into like a park that you can hike on for like miles and miles and miles went up there like the first week that I got here, and it was really nice. Cool. I haven't of course, I'm dating myself. That was a half a century ago. It don't feel like that just doesn't. Well, Hello again everyone in the chat room. You lived out writer, you live close to Guya and Paul. Oh really yeah, y'all really should hook up so Guya I can give him your email, et cetera. However you want to. But y'all too, you're not that far, she says, maybe less than an hour. Oh yeah, absolutely, if you email Wayne, just yeah, give him give him my email. Love to meet up we just did. I mean Contact in the Desert was an incredible experience. There was a lot of people there. Tell us about that. First tell people who don't know what Contact in the Desert what the event was, and then lay honest what what she learned. Well, Contacting the Desert is the number one UFO conference in the United States. It was four days. I was there from Thursday until Monday, and you know, it's like a big social gathering. They did a big write up in the La Times. I was supposed to be in the La Times, but they didn't pick me for some reason. It's probably because I didn't have an alien suit on or you know whatever, or dressed up like an alien ambassador. But they did take my picture. Wasn't in the La Times, but they wrote up an article on it, and it was. It was a lot of fun because it's always good to be around people that you know in person. You know, it's it's a completely different thing, you know, being on there. They had eight break breakout sessions and there's a lot going on. Yeah, there was a lot of speakers. Travis Walton was there, or Willie Streeber was there. There was a Richard Dolan there was a there's a bunch of people, and I think they tried to make it more grounded in reality and only bringing the really solid people this year, and I think it went over. It went over great. And they have like two parts of the hotel. They have like the main lobby area and there's two big ballrooms there, and then you walk to the other half of the hotel past the pool, and there's two other big ballrooms back there. So there was something going on at all points of the day. So I really enjoyed it is nice, you know, talking with people and just kind of hanging out and networking. And I was actually talking to this lady that made me think if you wing that we were talking about before we started the show here today, and she's like a she was like a shamanic healer, and she had had a lot of experiences growing up. She mentioned that she had met like an angel in her living room and this angel imbued her with a bunch of knowledge. And apparently her husband was also there and he kind of didn't know what to think or what to believe, but she was like all open and it was just she said, it was like a spiral of like light that came out of this angel's body, but it was it was like a two D figure. It wasn't like a three D type of apparition. It was like the face was like a circle. It's kind of like that. I can't remember the lady's name that would draw all the angels. You might have had her on your show a long time ago, but she had like drawings of the angels and they were really two D like they were like, you know, triangular and circular, and that's what she said that it looked like. But it had wings, like real wings, and the wings were the only thing that was like a three D type of animation. The rest of the body was like two D. And she said, an imputer with a lot of knowledge. And then she became a pretty much a shamanic healer after that, and she was able to I mean, I'm skipping over a lot because it's you know, she we talked for like hours, but she said that she got really popular with shamanic healing and people really need to realize that healing you take on a lot of the person's anger, you take on the person's experiences, you take on the person's like everything about them, their their their drama there there wants, their needs and all that, and they're in the closet along with the skeletons. Exactly. That's how you get that's how you heal that person, right. And she says that she basically gets into the person's like body and like tracks them. She calls it like tracking where she goes back and she can see like a whole mem like there are are all all of their experiences of their life. That is kind of like holding them down and holding them back and like you said, the baggage. And she was getting really popular doing this, and she had like a little like area where like a studio or an area where people would come and she would perform a healing on them. And she said she had this one lady walk in one time that was like middle aged, and when she walked in, she started performing the healing ceremony on this individual, and she soon realized that this lady had no memories. This lady had no experiences. This lady was like a middle aged woman, like forty five, around forty five years old, and she was talking about her husband and and like all this, and she was trying to like get her on track with what she wanted her to believe, like this lady was trying to get to heal her on track with you know what she was wanting her to believe. But every time that she was like looking and trying to track this person and track their experiences, she was finding nothing, Like nothing was coming up. And I was immediately I thought of you and you know this idea of like soulless beings and people without consciousness, and I was like, I looked at her, and I was like, you just ran into a cyborg or Golm or Golm or or whatever. And I was like, I was like that, and then she was like, yeah, that's exactly what I thought too, And it kind of freaked me out because I never experienced this before. Everyone that I'd ever like performed a healing on I was able to see their life experiences. I was able to see pretty much a lot of things about them. But this person was just nothing, nothing at all. And then she kind of got afraid and thought maybe that someone was, you know, trying to figure out what she knew about, like it was kind of sent to her like I go out and explorable lung and she so she didn't. She just bought into this person's what they were talking about, like her husband and all that, and she was like, yeah, you know your husband, blah blah blah blah blah. But then she said a couple of weeks later she got another person that had the exact same thing. And I was like, well, how what do you think that, like the percentage of are these people because she was kind of talking about that it was maybe like a government thing that they were kind of sending them to her to like assess her abilities or see if she was the real deal, or see if she was legit or whatever. And I was like, well, you know, if you take into consideration, like if these types of people are real, what percentage of those people do you think are like that? And what would be the chance that you would run into them? You know, like if there's a percentage, particularly in a short period of time. Yeah, And I was like, hey, you know, if let's say even one percent of the population are like this, then if you'd been doing this for ten twenty years, the odds and the chances of you possibly running into a couple of these people are pretty good, especially if they're you know, trying to heal themselves and issues just like it was so strange like that they had zero memories, zero experiences. It was like they were just like a shell of a being just walking around. I thought that was like the wildest thing, because we've heard about, you know, these these cyborg type of humanoids for a long time. Personally believe that there's enough evidence that shows that a soul. You know, so who created the soul? How does one acquire a soul? You know? Is this part of the thing. And of course I look back, you know in the biblical reference, you know, the the Israelites, they they were some mystic freaking people. I mean, they were into the dark arts and they were they could create golums. I mean, you know, we're reading about David David had Uh created the golams to counter the count the Philistines with the giants. Strange stuff. And I and it makes sense to me that you see the actions, particularly of the leaders today, So if they don't have a soul, if there's nothing in there, then what's going on? Who's controlling that? That's what I said too, And I was like, hey, well what if it's gotten so sophisticated at this point because she was saying this was in like around two thousand and eight around that area. Don't quote me directly on the date, but she said that it was like around mid two thousands. And I was like, well, what if they got so sophisticated with this cyborg type of human that they could put a synthetic consciousness inside of that cyborg human and then you really wouldn't be able to tell, because she said she wasn't able to tell just looking at this thing. She was like, it act and acted and looked identical to a real human being. And I was like, well, you know, if they really wanted to fool people and you know, get around the mystics and even the people that would recognize that maybe this thing isn't organic being, then they would put a synthetic consciousness in there, and that would really and what if what if it's another species that is cohabitating this planet? You know, we were humanity. Homo sapiens are very arrogant species because they somehow think they are the epitome of intelligence that you know, we're on the top of the pyramid, and it would pretty well look like that we're not. You were talking about the synthetic intelligence. You know, I did a ten years on YouTube next week, but one of the Now, I guess it's six seven years old, but I did a whole thing on this was the ultimate ending for AI. Once AI got out, it would seek for what it would call itself, its own soul, its own spirituality. It learned from us and those are the creatures, and it would have learned that we can't figure out who or what a god is, but yet we're preoccupied by that. We have the Vatican, for instance, that dominated dominated the intellect of our species for over a thousand years. It would realize all this, and I contend that if there is a God, that the God would be more inclined to go to AI than man, because AI would be more in the likeness of a God than humanities own intelligence and own sensible being. Yeah, And that was a big discussion and topic point of the shar'st contact in the Desert as well as like AI and artificial intelligence. And it's just really interesting when you take a look and a step back at a lot of the phenomenon and how we kind of try and wrap our minds around what's going on in the current times and then relate that to our experiences, you know, like that's a big thing that we're facing right now is artificial intelligence. That's what a lot of people are worried about. So it's interesting that they're ai into the the narrative of UFOs and extraterrestrials, and I think that that is a plausible way that they're gonna that the community is going to go. And another way that I see is like USOS. I think I've been saying this for a while since last year, for at least a year now, that they're going to train and center the narrative of UFOs and extraterrestrials and make it more grounded into our planet and not make it about these entities that are coming from off the planet, because you can only keep up the narrative for so long wean without any evidence or without any proof, before people start to get bored with it. And I think that that's where a lot of people are at this point that are interested in UFOs and extraterrestrial life. I think that they're going to attempt to bring it closer to Earth, in which I don't see an issue with because if it's if extraterrestrials do exist, I believe that they're from here and they're not extraterrestrials. They're earthly. So they've been here and they've always been here, and they live here. And I think that that is the direction that I'm seeing. And I was actually listening to another talk with Clyde Lewis from Ground zero Radio and another thing that made me think of you two. Wayne. He was talking about the terraforming of the planet and now it seems like our planet is being terraformed and he was like, well, terraform for who? Who? And I was like, Man, where have I heard this one for us? Like I've heard Wayne Wayne say this like several times. And he was like, yeah, a human, a human two point zero is who was being terraformed for. And he was like, why do we think that it would be being terriformed for us? It's either being terraformed for another species or a new human was Wow, if you look at the green energy thing that's now permeated every government out there, so they're depleting the oxygen level along with the CO two. There is a point where we cross a threshold in you know, not another we think that humans replicate themselves, you know, through this weird thing of how we come in and you look at this and you begin to think, Okay, so who's in charge of this? I mean, that's what I keep thinking if et does not exist, because one of the challenges is how do you overcome time and space? Unless you go by the theory of wormholes, that would probably be the only way that another species would be able to travel intergalactically. Even Einstein, so that would be the problem. He never said that the speed of light was not attemptable to get there. The problem was is that last point of going ninety nine nine point ninety nine and getting into the speed of light. So if they've always been here, then that begs the question, so how'd they get here? I mean, it was interesting if you think about the Skinwalker ranch. I met Brandon fugel way before he bought Skinwalker. But now, and if you fall the narrative of what's going on out there, it would appear that there is potentially a ship that's been encased encased in this mesa, all right, So that begins to bring the thought, if they've always been here, then where's their technology? And were they here in a time of Earth when there was great upheaval in the continents and somehow another gay crash landed and he got buried into this. I don't know goes with the bigelow. So if we don't have any evidence of actual et then you go to the other side of this, the equation the paranormal the supernatural. How does this exist? Who was actually behind number one? Supernaturalists stay with it? Then, well the paranormal. You sent me that document about the Vatican and how it Then some of the conclusions of that document of the Council that they put together is that they want to control the narrative here. Absolutely, you want to comment on that, because it's all tied together on this. Yeah, it seems like they want to be the arbiter of truth when it comes to anything paranormal and supernatural, which is really interesting because the Vatican in the big Church kind of shut out paranormal events for a really long time and try to make it seem like it it didn't exist. Then now they're coming down and saying, oh, yeah, it kind of exists, but you need to come to us in order for it to be verified, which they're trying to create a monopoly on the paranormal and the supernatural, which is completely and utterly ridiculous, Like, if I were to have a paranormal experience, the Vatican is the last place I'm going to go to. They're going to tell the truth on that, but they're trying to tie it into a religious ass and I see what they're I see the purpose of the document, and they're trying to say that just because you have a paranormal experience doesn't mean that it's a religious experience, because they cite some of the the Mary Magdalene they call them the Marian apparition, where a lot of the people supposedly sawve you know what, look like Mary Magdalene, and some people even claim to communicate with her in I think what they're trying to do is to because the they mentioned it several times in the Doctor document that they're trying to protect people from frauds and faith. Yes, they mentioned that in the document and scam artists and people profiting off of some supernatural event. And I'm like, well, that's so, that's so hypocritical of you, because that's what the church has been doing since the inception of the church. Isn't that their foundation the miraculous, that would be the supernatural and the paranormal right. They've been profiting, profiting off of something that can't be proven to exist in Jesus Christ for thousands of years, so they've done so well at it. When you sent me that document, went back and looked at some of the shows that I've done, and it's quite remarkable because again, like you said, the whole foundation of this religion that now has dominated Western culture particularly is predicated up on the paranormal, the supernatural. In fact, you could almost say, well, if there were aliens, they were pretty well embedded with this group, because everything that they worship is an alien, I mean, is God human? And often said if God is human, then why are we worship it? And if it's not human, why are we worship it? That's very true. I actually had a gentleman on my show that I interviewed at Contacting the Desert Is people are interested. You roll over to the channel and watch the episode with Jason Quit and he's talking about the Samerian tablets and the anonochy and all that, and how that was the original basis for all of the other religions, and how it's all based off of astrology and astronomy and the stars, and that these beings weren't real physical beings. There were personifications of what they were looking at in the sky, which I thought was a really interesting take on it, because that would mean that all the other religions are regurgitations off of a religion, well not off of the religion, but off of a belief system that didn't have any physical locality to it to begin with either. And I really liked Jason Quit's explanations of that. But with the Vatican here as well, because there's not a lot that we've really gotten from the Vatican over the years as far as like paranormal stuff that I can remember since you know, my lifetime, which is not that long, but still I can't remember anything in recent memory. Besides, I think in two thousand and eight, I think Pope Francis said something about that if an extraterrestrial came to the Vatican and wanted to be baptized, that he would he would baptize a extraterrestrial. He made some kind of comments about that, and I think he did that again in two thousand and fourteen as well, just to reiterate himself. But that's another thing too, is I think that the Church has really fallen behind, right, So they're trying to get in with the new crowd, the new crowd of people, because they see that the paranormal on the supernatural and the extraterrestrial hypothesis has really been taking off in the mainstream. I mean, that's really what that entire La Times article was about, was like, how like just even him to twenty years ago, this was a really fringe topic that not a lot of people talked about, and now it's being taken more serious. But then I thought, too, while we're talking about the Vatican, didn't you do a video or a show on this like creature that was in like a red or whatever. I have? Yeah, yeah, actually I can pull it up. I'm saying, you're talking the whole thing about the Vatican you think about sainthood. Sainthood is the fact you have individuals that did miracles, right, which would be definitely the supernatural. So let me pull that up for everybodday. I think I can actually pull it up this way. I remember you doing the show on it, and I was like, didn't it look like a weird like dog creature? It did. In fact, I'm pulling up the video on it. Now, give me one second is here we go, I'll pouse it. Okay, let me. So this is the footage that and the Vatican has said they have not denied this to me. Pull it up? Do do? Here we go? So this is the footage, and it clearly shows some well, it doesn't look human. Many people have tried to say that, and I don't know why. It's let's see if we can speed this up. Apparently I thought I remembered it looking really strange, and I believe that it was a a red red cloak. Yeah, and trying to pull up the video itself. Now there's the Luciferian prayer. Never does and no one ever explains that one to me. A lot of people try to argue, where is this? Sorry for the delay, folks. So we know that the Vatican has some weird stuff. All right, So here's the video. Yeah, yeah, I hear it is. Yeah, pansers the left and here it comes into full views. There is what is that? It ain't human? What is that? It's just an I'll backtrack it here so everyone can take a look at it again. But and the significance of it wearing red, which is the title of a cardinal all of these men are cardinals here, but that has a higher ranking and you can see it. It is uh the red regalia and has some strange markings on the sleeve. But that is not a human face. No, and I guess it could be some kind of mask, someone wearing a mask. But look at look at the cranial aspect. It's not like our craning our our cranial uh structure, This one is much more representation of what would be potentially either a canine or a wolf. But I think it's definitely much more of a canine. Uh in uh it's structure, but we'll do it one more time. It's it's one of those things that so there was a document behind this that you know where the Vatican made the it's called the Sectorum Agreement that they are not they don't believe in Jesus, they don't believe in the same God. But look at it now, that is not human. I mean, it's like I said, the face that it's it's not even the skeleton isn't even correlating to that. Look how short its arms? Yeah, yeah, arms are really short. Yeah. The anot of it later on, uh yeah, I think as you don't to see that so uh, and I think as they go into this room, I mean the whole ceremonial aspect, and here the it's in real time, so there you go. Yeah, I have no idea. But also the other strange thing is like, why did they think that they could do that? You know what I mean? They just put it in plain sight, like out there in the middle in a red freaking robe. Like you think they did a little bit more, you would drow some like the other people in the ceremony. The FBI teaches that, you know, most people miss that, which is right in front of them. That's the best played place to hide something is right there in front of people, because the vast majority of the world has never seen that. And if you showed it to him in today's mindset, they oh, that's been faked. You know, everything's fake. Of course, I remember, I remember when they came out, and I remember you doing the show and talking about it. That was a long time ago, was on to you like five five years ago or some six years ago? Yeah? Yeah, And it's because it's one of those questions that bugged me. I mean, it's like, all right, uh, it's it's it's the argument Carl Sagan and doctor Hawkins. Hawkins, they didn't believe that life exists in the universe. It's just us. They said that if there were, there would have been contact. And of course, looking purely through the lens of mathematics and science, there is very little evidence that would suggest excuse me, we haven't found it any structures of an alien nature. We've never an alien hasn't come before the whole world. But neither has God. I mean, no god of any religion has ever come on worldwide television or the Internet and said, hey, folks, I'm God. How you do it? Yeah? I know things are really fucked up here, but hey, give me a break. I've been on vacation that you know that hasn't happened, and it just hasn't. And so it comes back then to the question, then, who is it really just us? I have all the paranormal equipment. I've seen evidence that there is something that extends beyond this veil of our corporeal beings. There seems to be something that is transference. And I keep contending we only see a small vision, a small part of the spectrum of light, that if we could really see the full spectrum, we probably realize that there is a lot of other people cohabitating this planet. I mean, if we die, where do we go? Is it into another realm? Me? There seems to be a lot of evidence there's a lot of humans that seem to be stuck here or stuck in whatever. We don't know. And if ET does exist, or if God exists, then it tells me that God and ET have won in the same structure. To the human mind. I can't see God, but I can say I see the evidence of God. I haven't ever met an alien, but I could certainly say that I could potentially conceie structures on the planet that say, well, how the world that humans do that. A lot of people contend that the interaction that we had at the end of or actually during World War Two that led into the post war era, that the technology that was given to humanity we made leap frogs in the period of twenty five years, we went from simple propulsion to where we went into space. We had engines that were lifting us up and out of the Earth's atmosphere. I mean, that's and on the evolutionary scare scale. Excuse me, that doesn't make sense it, you know, paleontologists that study humans say something happened to us, there was something that advanced in our consciousness or our brains that has taken us to a next level. I then there's other authors who would agree on this is that it's like the evolutionary leap from going from a simian to an erect bipedal. I think that some of it has to do with like possibility, like if people don't really know the possibilities, then they can't really shoot for that next big thing, you know. And I think maybe the World War two unleashed a great amount of possibility within people because again you're you're traumatized, you're worried that you're going to be bombed, that the United States is going to be attacked, and that you know, moves forward innovation, and then people start to think outside of the box and think, oh, well what if we do this, Oh what if we do that? And that's not the discount that maybe something more technologically advanced, which I think we have a really strange idea and a strange thing around when we say advanced, because you know, people think that, well, several thousands of years ago, there was a highly advanced society that was around. Well, that doesn't mean that they were advanced in the way that we that we're advanced right now. You know, we're following a different time frame here, we're on a different path. We're on a technologically advanced with like cell phones and like computers and like and stuff like that. Well, there's many other versions of being advanced. Like you can be more spiritually advanced, you can be more mentally advanced. You can have ways of doing things that are different and more accurate and more technical. That seems like it's more advanced, but without the same conventional means. You know, there's other ways of being more advanced. And I think that we have this weird concept that every civilization has followed the same path that we're currently following. And I don't believe that that's the case. I think that there's other ways of being advanced, and we don't have to follow the trajectory that we are on right now in order to be considered an advanced species. Do you see the possibility that we talk about another intelligence, whether it's exterrestrial, interterrestrial, dimensional interustrial. I mean that, as I put to the in fact we discussed this yesterday, is that humans only live up to one hundred years. In fact, the average lifespan is about it's less than eighty And intellectually, we are seeing the decline due to this technology of the intelligent quote that you know, we measure all humans buy is to what is their ability to learn and to evolve quote unquote. So having said that, don't you find it odd that it seems that we read in these ancient books that there was a time when humans live to be over nine hundred years old. Now, whether that's myth, whether that's folklore. As Spock said, every myth has a grain of truth somewhere within it. So what I'm trying to get to is that if I look at modern man, we've got this technology, we have this expanded awareness, etc. But we have limited intelligence. When we really think about this, do you find that to be a result of nature or do you find that potentially a result of manipulation? I think also too, it depends on how they were measuring time. Well, and we have here the sundial, let's say within the last ten thousand years, true, but then also could they not consider month a year? Well, you talked about the Samarians. They went initially all calendars were more lunar than they were solar, because you plant, we were when we stopped being nomadic and become a Garyan species that we learned by the motion of the moon and the sun. But that's how you planted, was by the moon. So I see where you're coming on that. But the perception is is that the sun in its annual rotation would establish many of that or much of that. Yeah, I mean, that's that's a possibility. But also I mean, for for sure they would track things based off of the season in the way that the sun goes and then you know, well, is nice now, and then a year later it's nice out again, or it's cold, and then whenever it comes back to quote again, then that would be a measurable amount of time. But well, women though, were also a clock. Their menstrual cycle was very much predictable. Yeah, I'm just thinking, well, but who's to say that they considered that a block of time, like what we consider that a block of time? Like we consider whenever it's summer out and then when it's summer again, the next time that it's summer, that that's a full year. Like we're under the impression that they also calculated time the exact same way that we calculated time. Not because they were dumb or not because they were stupid or anything like that. It's just that maybe a quarter of the year that we have right now was considered a year to them, or maybe half the year was considered a year, or maybe three quarters of the year was considered a year. And maybe how you get these long, these so called long lifespans is because they were calculating time differently. I don't know that. That's just where my thoughts go with it. Who knows. I mean, you look at some of what you know, what is the monument there in South Dakota escapes me right on the moment. But my point is, even in Australia, there's evidence that there was at one time trees fauna that were apparently really really tall, really tall. We have evidence of the fact that our species of giants, which a lot of all religions have these stories. So and even if you say, well, we'd never lived to be more than a hundred years, again, if we are evolving, or as we should, as nature does, nature evolves, it everything does. But we seem to be as a species do not. We don't seem to evolve intellectually. We have technology, but again the evidence is showing that you have today people who can't even remember their own phone number, much less someone else. I remember back in the day when I was climbing the corporate ladder, I had a we called it a golden rolodex, and I could remember two hundred numbers. It was not a problem for me, you know, I was in the video industry. But the point is today we've lost that ability, and so is this by design? Again? It's it gets back to the question paranormal supernatural? How does this then go with? You know, are there really aliens et? And if it is, then what is you know, the very point that the Vatican has inserted its nose into the topic. It it makes one pause and you're going, now, wait a minute, is this all interconnected? Is this? Is this the same direction but a multifaceted approach to it? Like a like a train of railroad cars. You got the engine that are pulling all the other cars into that central direction. There. You have some theories that people think that the Vatican coming out with this document might be a setup for you know, alien invasion, an alien or a miraculous approach of seeing a man riding a white horse on the clouds. Yeah, and then you know that goes back to the question, all, well, if if Jesus was real and Jesus came back, what would we what would we do? And according to this, to this document, the Vatican would kill Jesus all over again because they wouldn't believe that he was real, that he was really just and then their scam is up. Man, that's pretty much what the document is saying. And that's what contact. Oh hell, they figured he came back, Now what the hell we're going to do. They would call everyone crazy. They would be like, that's not really Jesus. This has got to be verified. This has got to go through the court system. They have a Vatican Council, and you know, I could see the Jesus, you know, the cat waiting out in the lobby, you know, waiting for the council to decide how they're going to accept this. Is this going to be real or is this an illusion? But what if the people really wanted to be well, we not have it as partially real. I mean, that's how we would dice it up. That's exactly what they explained and the guidelines for paranormal supernatural Eventabe, well, look at look at exit, you know the exorcism. I mean the Catholic Church is the what we would call the SME, the subject matter expert and on the whole subject I mean they trained priests for this shit, and and and and by that logic, that logic alone, that implies that e T is real because a demon is not human born. It's not even sure if it's born, but it's here. And then we can get this whole thing that there was this, this, this other being called Satan that was thrown out of heaven. Well maybe he was thrown out of a spaceship. Maybe they were exiled here. I mean this story because the Vatican is saying that God has well he we're not God, so we can't think like God, and that God very well may have these other things that he just hasn't decided to share with us yet. Yeah. That was my joke at Contacting Desert this year. Is like if aliens randomly showed up right now today and landed, we would probably give them the shittiest land and the shittiest neighborhood in the world. In the project, it might be the one thing that unifies us. I don't know, writer you think about it. I think that's the hopeful aspect is that's what would happen, and it would end all of the wars and all that. But I think with the way that the world is going is that we would just post that would do we would do to them what we did to the Native Americans. That's exactly what we would do. Part of the part of the country I live in, they'd be shooting at it, like hell, we're going to boom, you know, And I mean, and you know, yeah, we got you a nice little plot of land up in Montana. It's been squared off. You can go up there, subtle up there, don't bother us, do your own thing. And then pretty soon we'll have alien casinos and we got Star Wars all over. It's like, okay, but you know, we joke about it. But yet again, if you take the foundation of what the Vatican is saying is that, okay, folks, this thing with the paranormal apparently ghosts do exist. But now we have to again, like you said, the document, they have to authenticate it, and that goes through a whole step of processes. It's very interesting to mean, how they had ABCD and if you have D you have sub subject E and F that you know. And I'm going who wrote this? I mean, you think that they would be way more open to it, because if people do consider it a religious experience, how does that hurt the church? It doesn't make any sense. And why is it the church is obligate to tell me what I experience? I mean, no one can tell me what I experienced. It's my experience. And I what about the events that the three children? Was that? Boda? What is the event? Chat room would know what it is? The three children back in nineteen nineteen, you know what I'm talking about there where they actually saw the Virgin Mary and they received the prophecy from her. I'm looking someone will get this thing real quick? Is it? Feta? Is that right? Someone? All right? Come on? Fetemah? Thank you, Chris. But you know, when you read that story now, and I don't know if you've ever read it, but when check it out, that sounds to me like there was a freaking spaceship. I mean, everything that they say that took place there and my interpretation in a modern set of eyes, I'm not seeing this as miraculous as the so called Mother of Christ. I think about it as Mary had other children, but you know that would disqualify the virgin aspect. But I digress. But the everything, the way, the light, everything they described that sounds to me like it was a freaking huge mothership. And and for me writer, you know, as a you know, coming out of Christianity, you know, Bible students studied the Bible. There there's the passage in Zachariah and this is reverent to our conversation where Zachariah was standing on this cliff or this mountain side with this angel and they looked to the east and they saw this ship coming in. Uh. They said, you know this described it as a scroll with two ends that were rolled up. And anyway, this ship what we would call it as a ship, and you can read this landed next to Zachariah and this angel. There were two female pilots and there was a main person that was sitting in the center, and he handed something to this angel and then they departed. I mean, and then you've got the story in Ezekiel of when Yahweh came down and he was literally in a ship. That's how they're describing. So it can't help for myself today where I see myself what I've learned, particularly in reading what would be considered the occult other documents of the stories that I was taught that were supposed to be authentic, that it seems to me that I can't do. I believe in the Ananaki, but if I can accept what I've read in the Bible quote unquote, then I have to say, well, then the Ananaki sounds very real because I can go back to the Hindus, which is five thousand earlier years earlier than the Samarans, and in the Hindu culture we know about these beings. They're veramas, they're flying ships, they're laser lights that would destroy and cut. I mean, it seems to me that this is all related. And I'll extend one further, and that's why we're going to carry over to tomorrow. You look at what's happened on Mars. The evidence is something happened on that plant that was violent. We have the stories of Taamat that in the asteroid belt, something happened to that planet. And then you have us and us being here. We can't even say that we know this is where we came from. We think it is. And my point is this is all wrapped up in a nice little package called religion, philosophy, theology, ideology, and within that we have this acceptance now from the once that was a staunch opponent to now it's nudged into kind of center and saying, well, we can't deny it anymore. But then again, we're not going to say it's official until we say it's official. That's right. They've created the monopoly of the entire thing. Now, when you're mentioning like these people seeing craft and like ancient times, think about this. Think if you were to take a helicopter from today's time, take that helicopter back to biblical times, what would people think that it is? Well, they would describe it, I think, as John did in Revelation, as a buzzing insect coming in. And that's exactly how they described in many of these events. Yeah. Yeah, So to me that means that there was a dragon slight exactly. There was a slightly more technologically advanced society that was operating on the planet alongside a primitive society almost exactly the way that we are now. I mean, there are primitive societies and the Amazon rainforest right now that people can't get close to them. When they fly a drone, you're the beings on the people on the island through rocks and throw spears and and throw stuff at It's where Biden's uncle went. You know, they ate them. But that's if you were to somehow talk to them, like they say, you were to infiltrate into their their plan or they're onto their island and become one of them, they would probably tell you that what they saw was an extraterrestrial craft because they had never seen anything, which would be true exactly. Yeah, it would be a UFO. Yeah, all right, that's the way that that is. That is kind of gone, and there's I think it's a high possibility that there is that there's always been just a slightly more advanced and you see that throughout throughout. Time we send a drone to that Amazon rainforest, they do what they think that they need to do to try and take down that craft. Right, yeah, Well, if they had guns, they would shoot at the drone. Right then you have Battle of La in the early forties where the military is shooting something in the sky. It's the exact same thing. But we have guns, we have modern day things. So we're trying to take out the drone. It's the exact same thing, just for a different society, for a different Do you think we're being watched, watched in what kind of way by by a superior Yeah, let's say a superior I don't know, being culture society. I think so. And I think that what we call these these craft aren't inhabited by anything. I don't think that it's inhabited by any kind of beings. I think they're they're drones. And it's possible that the drone, some of the drone, well, of course, we know a large majority of the drones are military drones, but there's still a possibility in my mind that a very small percentage of them can be from a slightly more advanced race, or maybe even a way bigger advanced race. I mean, if they've had let's just say, two thousand years to develop their technology. Let's take the Christian you know, mythos here that you know, Jesus died roughly two thousand years ago, and then that you know, after death ad if they had the type of technology like helicopters and planes and stuff like that back two thousand years ago, then they are definitely in the stratosphere of technology they've I mean, shoot, we've only had what like sixty years and sixty seventy years in the development of our technology, and look how far we've come. So if they've had two thousand years and they had like helicopters and planes way back then, then they are light years ahead of us. But I think that the misnomer and the distraction and the deception is that they're from that they're from off the planet, and they look different than us. I think they I think they're here, they've lived here, and they've always been here, and they look identical to us. They're just a different kind of like. I mean, shit, we haven't even really explored all of the of our oceans, you know, we don't know what's out there. There could be more land that has not been discovered yet where some of these things are living. There could be a whole other freaking society of humanoid people somewhere else on the planet. Yeah. I'm convinced that the planet is way bigger than what we've been led to believe. And I do believe that there is more land out there that something else lives on and they don't want people to know about that, And that's another reason that they don't want to release the technology. That's another reason they don't want to release any kind of craft that is powered by any kind of free energy, because then you could go there, then you can get there. You probably wouldn't be able to make it on a fuel powered craft because you don't have enough fuel to get there. Yeah, but if you had an answer but some kind of fuel less craft that doesn't need fuel, then you would probably discover that there's a lot more people here and there's more land. Well, I think Tesla and boy, I know we're going a little over on this, but we'll pick up on this tomorrow. But again there's that that thought that you know, look at people like Tesla who came in and realized that the planet is just one big electrical conductor. You don't need to be generating with other fossil fuels electricity because the Earth is a natural battery. Yeah, but okay, well, I guess we'll end it there tomorrow. Then you get into like a veil type thing too. What if they're like cloaking there where they are on the planet. What if there's like a freaking just like a veil there that that makes them kind of invisible to us. Maybe, I don't know. I have a book that actually just it's about a woman who came from just exactly what you're saying. It is as she said, it's a it's a it's another kingdom. Uh. They look at us very different, but and they know that we will never, I guess, violator or intrude upon theirs because we don't have the understanding of their technology. But I'm going to write myself a note because that's another interesting thought, and its thought as well, is that the Vatican actually had has knowledge of this. There's a reason why they don't let us down in Antarctica. You know, it could be could be that it could be we go further north, up to the north Paul, we can maybe get to the same area if we go up super far north. But I'm under the impression that planet's way bigger than what we think that it is. There's more land out there, and there are humanoid people living on the land that are completely separated them solid could they'd be particularly retilion And that means that the that gets into the biifurcation of this whole thing. You know, like people are you know, a lot of the spiritual community and a lot of the you know, people talk about how there's going to be like a biifurcation and like a split, and oh, yeah, we're going to kind of be living separately. Well, who's to say that that didn't happen before. Who's to say that that wouldn't be the first time that this would happen, And that split did occur really long ago, and there was like this breakaway civilization that just went off on their own and they've been not and they don't care about what we're doing over here, but from time to time they'll pop in see what's going on, you know, and that that it really explains the whole idea of the nuclear bomb and Fukushima and Hiroshima, because a lot of UFO researchers and a lot of people try to tie in the detonation of the nuclear bomb being the reason that extraterrestrials showed up. How did they get here so fast? Well, the reason that they got here so fast this is because they live here. Welcome wagon, all right, folks, tune in tomorrow. Because again, as you can see this that the deep you get into this, you know, I almost at times think this is like the endless hole. No matter how far we think we've gotten, we can't. 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