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Did Pokemon GO Player Spot 10-year-old Lily Peters Just Before Murder? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful ten year old
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Speaker 1: little girl, Lily goes missing not far from her own home,
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Speaker 1: and then a twist. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and series XM one eleven. Take a listen to our friends.
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Speaker 1: A w e Au Chippewa Falls police are asking for
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Speaker 1: your help in finding a missing child. Authorities are looking
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Speaker 1: for ten year old Iliana Lily Peters. She is a
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Speaker 1: fourth grader at Perkview Elementary in Chippwa. Investigators say at
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Speaker 1: nine pm, Lily's father called police to say she had
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Speaker 1: not returned home from her aunt's house. Officers then found
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Speaker 1: a bike that's believed to belong to Lily in the
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Speaker 1: woods near a walking trail by Lining Cougle's Brewery. The
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Speaker 1: Chippwa County Sheriff's Department, K nine Team and Lake Hallei
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Speaker 1: Police Department all joined the search and went door to
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Speaker 1: door last night, but Lily has not been found. The
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Speaker 1: specter of finding Lily's bicycle but no Lily brings up
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Speaker 1: so many other cases where children's bikes were found but
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Speaker 1: the child was not. So many implications and all out
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Speaker 1: search ensues. Take a listen now to our friend Judy Clark.
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Speaker 1: Tipple Falls Police Department is currently holding a news conference
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Speaker 1: on the missing girl. We go to that now live.
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Speaker 1: This is an update on the missing person case that
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Speaker 1: was first reported last night. At about nine o'clock last night,
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Speaker 1: the Chipple Falls Police Department received information that Ileana Lily M.
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Speaker 1: Peters Ahtown was missing from the city chippe Falls. Lily's
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Speaker 1: father reported that she had not returned home from a
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Speaker 1: visit from her aunt's house at the four hundred block
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Speaker 1: of North Grove Street. Officers later located a bicycle in
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Speaker 1: the woods near the walking trail between the end of
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Speaker 1: North Grove Street and the line of Clulesbrewery parking lot.
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Speaker 1: Numerous agencies and resources were called to assist with the
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Speaker 1: search for Lily. You were just hearing the voice of
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Speaker 1: the department chief. They're at police station and then a
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Speaker 1: sudden twist in the search for Lily. Listen to more
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Speaker 1: from Chippewa Falls PD Chief. At about nine fifteen this morning,
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Speaker 1: a body was located in the wooded area near the
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Speaker 1: walking trail. The Chippewa County Quarters Office is now confirmed
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Speaker 1: that this is the body of Lily Peters. At this point,
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Speaker 1: we are considering this a homicide investigation. We do not
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Speaker 1: have anyone in custody at this time, and we are
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Speaker 1: continuing to follow up on multiple leads. The Chipple Falls
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Speaker 1: Police Department has numerous assisting agencies and we'd be willing
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Speaker 1: and we will be working diligently and tirelessly on this case.
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Speaker 1: We encourage anyone with information to please contact the Chipple
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Speaker 1: Falls Police Department and to maintain a state of vigilance
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Speaker 1: as there may be a danger to the public to
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Speaker 1: maintain the integrity of this very active and ongoing investigation.
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Speaker 1: I am unable to provide any further details at this time.
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Speaker 1: I do anticipate an additional press conference around five o'clock tonight.
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Speaker 1: We would like to extend our deepest sympathies to the
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Speaker 1: family and friends of Lily Peters during this tragic time.
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Speaker 1: And there you hear the Chief of Police actually breaking
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Speaker 1: down as he is having a pressor announcing the discovery
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Speaker 1: of the body of this beautiful little girl, Lily. And
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Speaker 1: what is so odd is that it ended so quickly.
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Speaker 1: The search had barely gotten going before her body has found.
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Speaker 1: More questions than answers right now, as the case is developing,
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Speaker 1: even as we speak with me in All Star panel.
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Speaker 1: To make sense of what we know, I want to
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Speaker 1: first go out to special guests. Amy Winter is joining
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Speaker 1: us from Hello, Wisconsin. You think her there, wau thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Her body was found? How far from her bicycle? Amy?
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Speaker 1: They have not confirmed that yet. In fact, they won't
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Speaker 1: tell us where exactly her bike was found. We've not
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Speaker 1: been able to confirm with law enforcement the distance there.
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Speaker 1: But we do know the bike was found in the
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Speaker 1: wooded area, and then her body was found in a
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Speaker 1: similar space. It can be assumed that it is nearby.
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Speaker 1: I understand you, Laura Ingle joining me, Senior correspondent, Fox News.
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Speaker 1: I understand that Lily's body, this ten year old little girl,
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Speaker 1: that her body was found in the woodland area close
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Speaker 1: to a walking trail in Chippewa Falls, northeast of a
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Speaker 1: player early early in the morning. Now, if the bike
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Speaker 1: is also found in a wooded area near a walking
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Speaker 1: trail in Chippewa Falls, how far apart can they be?
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Speaker 1: Laura Ingle? Right, I mean that is something that we
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Speaker 1: obviously have been asking law enforcement about as well, and
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Speaker 1: I even called the brewery talking to there's a brewery
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Speaker 1: near there. If they had any surveillance cameras. We've been
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Speaker 1: told that there was this canvassing going on of going
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Speaker 1: door to door once that frantic phone call came in
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Speaker 1: from the dad reporting that she was missing, and nothing
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Speaker 1: right away. But you're right, I mean it's it was,
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Speaker 1: you know, done very quickly. Word of the body being
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Speaker 1: found straight out to Bobby Chacone, joining us twenty seven
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Speaker 1: years FBI agent. You can find him at Bobby Chacone
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Speaker 1: dot com. He's also a writer and producer of After
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Speaker 1: the Thall on audible. Bobby, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I know that you already know where I've headed on this.
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Speaker 1: That her body is found close to her bicycle, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Nancy and so so, and yet they moved out its
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Speaker 1: being an accident, right, So I think that her body
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Speaker 1: was although it was near the bike was found the
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Speaker 1: knight before, and the body wasn't found until you know,
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Speaker 1: the time later. So I think that it wasn't found
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Speaker 1: in proximity enough to configure it was an accident because
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Speaker 1: they deemed it a hmic right away, which means there
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Speaker 1: was either mechanimus of an injury on the body. When
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Speaker 1: they found it, they clearly indicated a homicide or there
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Speaker 1: was maybe an attempt to cover up the body or something.
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Speaker 1: So I would assume that since they found the body,
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Speaker 1: I mean they found the bicycle, they would have done
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Speaker 1: a real heavy search surrounding the bike right then. And
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Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't find the body until much
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Speaker 1: later the next morning indicates to me that it was
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Speaker 1: probably some distance. Again, we don't know exact distance, but
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Speaker 1: it was not in the immediate area of that bicycle,
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Speaker 1: or they would have founded the night that night when
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Speaker 1: they found a bike straight out to California Prosecutor Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. You can find our hosting today
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Speaker 1: with doctor Wendy KCBQ San Diego. Wendy, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us everything. Bobby Cha kind of just said,
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Speaker 1: I agree with, but I'm going in a totally different
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Speaker 1: direction with my questioning. Let's all think for one moment
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Speaker 1: about the Robert Blake case. As much as I don't
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Speaker 1: want to bring it up, Robert Blake murdered his wife,
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Speaker 1: Bonny Lee Bakley. Now a jury acquitted him, I still
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Speaker 1: think he murdered her. Listen to this. They were out
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Speaker 1: at an Italian restaurant Vitellos. They leave, they eat, they leave.
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Speaker 1: She goes to the car, which, for the first time ever,
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Speaker 1: he didn't park in the parking lot. He parked in
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Speaker 1: an alley behind the restaurant. This is one of their
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Speaker 1: favorite hangouts. So he and his wife go to the car.
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Speaker 1: He gets her in the car according to him, and says, oh,
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Speaker 1: I left my gun in our booth. Well the waiter
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Speaker 1: then the bus boy nobody found a gun there. He
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Speaker 1: goes back in and step sits down and has a
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Speaker 1: glass of water. Then he goes to the car says, oh,
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Speaker 1: my stars, my wife has been shot. Here's my point.
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Speaker 1: The gun, an antique gun, is found in a dumpster
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Speaker 1: a block or so away from the restaurant. Why because
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Speaker 1: the killer could not leave the area. The killers Robert Blake,
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Speaker 1: he can't just leave, discard the gun and come back.
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Speaker 1: Think about this. The body is found in this case
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Speaker 1: of this ten year old little girl, defenseless, unarmed, tenderest
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Speaker 1: thing in the world, a little girl. Her body is
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Speaker 1: found not far from the bike. Why because the perp
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Speaker 1: did not have the means to carry her body away,
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Speaker 1: did not want to carry her body away. That's what
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Speaker 1: I'm getting at now we have to analyze why is that? Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right. You know, you have this
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Speaker 1: tight knit, seemingly safe community where people know their neighbors,
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Speaker 1: a short distance between the bike and the body. And
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Speaker 1: it's very similar to the Robert Blake case in the
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Speaker 1: in the context of what did the perpetrator do after
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Speaker 1: he or she killed this beautiful little girl. So it's
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Speaker 1: not surprising, especially in a less populated community, that you
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Speaker 1: would see this pattern. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Let
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Speaker 1: me go back to our special guest joining us, Amy
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Speaker 1: Winters from Hello, Wisconsin w EAU thirteen, as well as
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Speaker 1: Laura Ingles, senior correspondent with Fox News. Amy, I want
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Speaker 1: to talk for a moment about Au Claire. How big
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Speaker 1: is it? Is it suburban? Is it urban? Is it rural?
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Speaker 1: What is it? And where was this walking path? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think of a big nature path where I take
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Speaker 1: the children, my twins fourteen, walking slash hiking. It as
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Speaker 1: this appears to me, is on the edge of businesses.
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing a brewery and also regarding that brewery, what
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Speaker 1: were their video surveillance cameras at the brewery and this
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Speaker 1: this trail, Did it a butt? Was it adjacent to Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So in Chippewa Falls, it's actually it's a community of
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Speaker 1: about fourteen thousand people fifteen thousand and a small town
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Speaker 1: and then rural areas on the outside of it. But
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Speaker 1: this walking trail is a very it's a tiny walking
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Speaker 1: trail that follows along a creek. And then yes, there's
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Speaker 1: a part of the trail that that can go right
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Speaker 1: up into the parking lot of the Lining Cougle Brewery
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Speaker 1: and there are businesses. And what we have been told
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Speaker 1: is that Lining Google does have video camera surveillance that
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Speaker 1: they are cooperating with law enforcement in terms of, you know,
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Speaker 1: going through that and looking for evidence. Law enforcement has
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Speaker 1: not confirmed to us what if anything has been seen
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Speaker 1: via those surveillance cameras. Amy Winter is joining me from Hello, Wisconsin,
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Speaker 1: a w EAU thirteen. Amy. Chippewa Falls is of course
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Speaker 1: located on the Chippewa River. The population is around fourteen thousand.
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Speaker 1: Are you saying it's more accurate to say Lily went
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Speaker 1: missing and was found in Chippewa Falls or a Claire
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Speaker 1: Chippewa Falls. Oh Claire is a different city a few
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Speaker 1: miles away. Okay, back to Chippewa Falls, fourteen thousand people,
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Speaker 1: fourteen thousand people. You know, Bobby Chicone FBI twenty seven
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Speaker 1: years as an agent. I grew up in an area
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Speaker 1: even smaller than that. It wasn't even a town, It
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Speaker 1: wasn't a village. It was a community, all right. And
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Speaker 1: I said this many times. He had to drive twenty
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Speaker 1: five minutes to even get to a McDonald's. So we
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Speaker 1: didn't need out a lot. What I'm getting at that
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Speaker 1: really narrows year list of potential suspects, does it not? Oh? Sure, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: particularly if it's not a tangent point where there are
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Speaker 1: no major highways going by, or not on a trucking
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Speaker 1: route or swings like god, so that if it's not
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Speaker 1: an area where people are generally traveling through from other
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Speaker 1: places on a regular basis, Sure you're starting to look
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Speaker 1: at the local population, particularly in a town that small
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Speaker 1: and intimate. Guys, take a listen to our cut six.
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Speaker 1: This is David Shulman's CBS News. Police say Lily's body
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Speaker 1: was found Monday morning near this trail that runs between
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Speaker 1: her home and her aunt's home, which is where she
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Speaker 1: was reportedly visiting before going missing. Officers say evidence at
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Speaker 1: the scene indicated it was a murder. I know that
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Speaker 1: my kids loved her. They went sliding with her all
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Speaker 1: the time. Anytime she was over, they were outside hanging
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Speaker 1: out with her. She always seemed really happy. It's just sad.
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Speaker 1: Three of Shelby and Jeremy Macnick's children went to school
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Speaker 1: with Lily. They regularly used the same trail, a popular
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Speaker 1: one for walking and biking. We're gonna have some talks
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Speaker 1: and just you know, preach a little self awareness, something
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Speaker 1: to kind of putting their heads, you know that they
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Speaker 1: don't think about all the time. No one's in custody
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Speaker 1: for this suspected murder and Chippewa Falls at least. Chief
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Speaker 1: Matt kelm is also urging vigilance for anything suspicious at
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Speaker 1: an event like this threatens our sense of security. However,
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Speaker 1: I believe we will come together as a community to
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Speaker 1: overcome the sphere. You know do Doctor Teresa gil PhD
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Speaker 1: joining US professor's psychology, psychotherapist, author of Women who Were
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Speaker 1: sex Abused as Children. Doctor and gil thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. I'm just trying to beare it out
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Speaker 1: in my own mind, I identify why someone would attack
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Speaker 1: a ten year old girl who was apparently walking along
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Speaker 1: a nature trail. Here's an example, doctor Gill, this is
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Speaker 1: what I'm thinking. For instance, a Central Part where I
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Speaker 1: have taken the children many many times, walking through Central
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Speaker 1: Park in New York, we see a squirrel run across
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Speaker 1: the path. My instinct may be to want to pet
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Speaker 1: the squirrel or the right. My instinct is not to
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Speaker 1: chase it down, hold it up to my mouth and
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Speaker 1: rip its throat out with my teeth. It's not my instinct.
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Speaker 1: So what is different about the killer of a ten
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Speaker 1: year old little girl? I'm thinking of my little girl
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Speaker 1: when she was ten years old, completely defenseless, the mind
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Speaker 1: of a predator. It's a different mindset. It has to be. Well.
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Speaker 1: I think the words that you use in terms of
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Speaker 1: my little girl, completely defenseless, I think that's who perpetrators
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Speaker 1: go after. They go after those people who are defenseless
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Speaker 1: that they can take power over and hurt. And what
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Speaker 1: I know about people call personality disorders or as an
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Speaker 1: adult antisocial personality or as a child conduct disorder, what
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Speaker 1: happens is usually they have a history of family problems
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Speaker 1: and problems with friends and in school, and they suppress
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Speaker 1: their anger and rage and they become cold, so they
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Speaker 1: take their rage out on others, and they feel no
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Speaker 1: empathy for their victims. In fact, the victim's fear and
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Speaker 1: powerlessness actually increases their sense of power and control. Okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gil the way you said that so calmly is
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Speaker 1: very eerie. No offense to you. It's not you, it's
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Speaker 1: your words. The more the victim is afraid and panicky
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Speaker 1: and defenseless, the more the perp likes it. I think
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Speaker 1: it's what you just said. Yes, the more power and
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Speaker 1: control they feel. You just gave me chills all up
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Speaker 1: and down my body. Guys, right now the autopsy of
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Speaker 1: this little girl is ongoing. I want to go to
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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher or the medical examiner for the state
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Speaker 1: of Florida, but at first I want to go to
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Speaker 1: Tracy Sergeant, joining US search rescue and recovery expert. You
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Speaker 1: can find her on a podcast, The Sea Quest. She's
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Speaker 1: also on Facebook, The Seekers Quest. Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for being with us. I know that dogs were called
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Speaker 1: in immediately when the bike was found. Explain to me
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Speaker 1: what kind of dogs, how many dogs, and what were
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Speaker 1: they supposed to do? Do you think they may have
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Speaker 1: led to her body. So I think it's important for
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Speaker 1: listeners to know that dogs don't find bodies, bombs, or drugs,
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Speaker 1: or even this case, a bicycle. They find sent So
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Speaker 1: the fact that that bicycle, we assume was confirmed to
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Speaker 1: be Lili's, that's a good what we call starting point,
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Speaker 1: it's an initial point of starting the dog and what
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Speaker 1: we call a tracking dog life sent dogs, a live
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Speaker 1: scent dog. I want to enunciate that clearly, a live
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Speaker 1: scent dog you are equating with a tracking dog. A
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Speaker 1: tracking dog. Yeah, I see what you're saying, as supposed
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Speaker 1: to a non life sent dog, a cadavered. All right,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, sorry, yes, ma'am. So in that case, we
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Speaker 1: are going to assume, meaning dog handlers and investigators are
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Speaker 1: going to assume someone is alive until we know otherwise.
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Speaker 1: So they take a dog, a tracking dog that is
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Speaker 1: trained to find life scent, start him at a starting point,
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Speaker 1: in this case the bike. The dog scents that person
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Speaker 1: scent because each of us have a unique scent, and
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Speaker 1: from there follow that person's scent in the direction that
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Speaker 1: they go. Also, another possibility is what we call area
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Speaker 1: search dogs. These are also live search dogs. They don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily follow a track of where somebody has walked, but
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Speaker 1: where a human scent is in the area. And when
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Speaker 1: I looked at the map last night, you look at
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Speaker 1: the area between her aunt's house, her home, and where
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Speaker 1: she was actually found. There's a large wooded area that
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Speaker 1: is certainly a high probable area and a good area
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Speaker 1: to put canine resources in. They can work the area
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Speaker 1: much more quickly and efficiently and effectively, and they can
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Speaker 1: cover the area much more quickly. They tell us two things.
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Speaker 1: They tell us where something is and where something isn't.
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Speaker 1: So let's say, for discussion purposes, Lily wasn't found in
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Speaker 1: that wooded area. The dogs can cover that much more
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Speaker 1: quickly and say, process of elimination. We don't know where
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Speaker 1: she is, but she's not in this area, and then
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Speaker 1: those limited resources can search and other areas where she
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Speaker 1: might be found. Let me ask you a question with me.
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Speaker 1: Is Tracy Sargent search rescue and recovery expert. She created
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Speaker 1: the podcast The Seekers Quest. So you've told me about
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Speaker 1: live scent treking dogs. You've told me about area search dogs,
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Speaker 1: where dogs are let loose in an area and they
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Speaker 1: look for a scent as opposed to a scent treker.
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Speaker 1: You start at let's just say the bike, and you
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Speaker 1: follow the trail. Here's an example. Dogs follow Lacy Peterson's
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Speaker 1: trail from her home on Covina there in Modesto all
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Speaker 1: the way to San Francisco Bay. That would, I guess,
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Speaker 1: be a live sent tracker dog. The area dog, you
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Speaker 1: just let them loosen the area, like you're saying in
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Speaker 1: this nature area to just try to find lily. And
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Speaker 1: then you've got cadaver dogs. Here's my question. For a
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Speaker 1: dog to do its job, do you have to give
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Speaker 1: them an, for instance, an item of the victim's clothing
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Speaker 1: or do they just pick up a sent say on
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Speaker 1: the bicycle, and run with it. Well, they can be
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Speaker 1: trained in both ways. And my dogs are. They are
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Speaker 1: trained to go in what we call a direction of
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Speaker 1: travel without a scent article and with a sound article,
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Speaker 1: because sometimes we don't have that option. And let's say,
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Speaker 1: for example, somebody has reported seeing a girl matching her
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Speaker 1: description go in that direction, but we don't have a
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Speaker 1: scent article. We can start the dog there and then
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Speaker 1: work that track. Whereas in this case we know where
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Speaker 1: she was last seeing, which was at her aunt's house.
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Speaker 1: We should have a good what we call uncontaminated uncontaminated
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Speaker 1: scent article from her own home, like a like a
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Speaker 1: pillow case or something like that that can be used
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Speaker 1: for the dog to scent and they can distinguish and say,
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Speaker 1: all right, there's been several people walking down this trail,
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Speaker 1: but we've asked the dog to find this particular person sent.
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Speaker 1: They can smell through, so to speak, these other people
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Speaker 1: sent in the area and focus on only lily scent.
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Speaker 1: So they have various capabilities and they can be trained
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Speaker 1: in different ways. You know, I'm very curious, Amy Winter
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Speaker 1: is joining me from Hello, Wisconsin and used the anchor
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Speaker 1: w EAU thirteen. Amy, Oh, there's a lot of fingerpointing
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Speaker 1: going on around here. She had been at her aunt's home,
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Speaker 1: and then what happened? When did she leave her aunt's Hamma?
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Speaker 1: Where was she going and at what time? They have
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Speaker 1: not law enforcement has not confirmed to us what time
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Speaker 1: she left her aunt's home. But what we do know
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Speaker 1: is that she was supposed to be headed home and
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Speaker 1: her father decided to call police when she did not
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Speaker 1: come home by nine pm. So he called law enforcement
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Speaker 1: at nine pm saying she's not come home from her
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Speaker 1: aunt's house. Her aunt's house is only a block or
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Speaker 1: two away from home, and that's when law enforcement got involved.
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Speaker 1: You're giving me a flashback. And guys, this occurred on
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Speaker 1: April twenty four, on a Sunday evening. Okay, now, unless
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Speaker 1: they were getting out for spring break the next day,
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Speaker 1: the next day would have been a school day. So
21:35
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock, when she's not back home from her
21:37
Speaker 1: aunt's house, the parents are like, WHOA, what's going on?
21:40
Speaker 1: They probably called the aunt and said where is she?
21:43
Speaker 1: And the aunt probably said, well, she's left a couple
21:46
Speaker 1: of hours ago to go home. I mean, it's only
21:49
Speaker 1: did you say, Amy Winters as a crow flies a
21:53
Speaker 1: block or two away? Right, They're in almost the exact
21:56
Speaker 1: same neighborhood, so it would not take a matter of
21:59
Speaker 1: minutes for her to be able to get home from
22:01
Speaker 1: her own house. I'm having two comparisons in my mind.
22:06
Speaker 1: Anybody jump in because many of you covered these with me.
22:09
Speaker 1: One is Carly Bresia, a young girl out of Florida
22:16
Speaker 1: who had been in a spend the night, was walking
22:19
Speaker 1: home and it's caught on surveillance video. She had I
22:23
Speaker 1: don't know three blocks to walk as far as the
22:26
Speaker 1: crow flies. It was diagonal, not following the street. She
22:33
Speaker 1: goes missing. Her body is found out behind a big,
22:36
Speaker 1: big Baptist mega church. She had been murdered and raped.
22:41
Speaker 1: Carly was about eleven years old. This girl is ten.
22:47
Speaker 1: You think one block, two blocks, no big deal, right,
22:53
Speaker 1: Bobby check Oh, absolutely, Nancy, Especially in a community like
22:56
Speaker 1: this we've already described as a very small town, very
22:59
Speaker 1: close knit to me, people all know each other. To
23:03
Speaker 1: let your child go from you from an aunt's house
23:05
Speaker 1: to your house a couple of blocks away, maybe she
23:07
Speaker 1: has to traverse this this small little park like, but
23:11
Speaker 1: she's probably done it before. Um, this is probably a
23:14
Speaker 1: very routine route for her to take. It's just mind
23:18
Speaker 1: boggling that that evil happens to strike, you know, at
23:23
Speaker 1: a time like And I want to be clear to
23:25
Speaker 1: count I'm not blaming the aunt. I'm not blaming her
23:28
Speaker 1: or the parents. No, absolutely not. And like I said,
23:30
Speaker 1: she's probably done this ship before and with absolutely no problem.
23:34
Speaker 1: One or two blocks, for Pete's sakes, Bobby, Laura Ingle,
23:39
Speaker 1: Uh is it one two? How far? Is it one?
23:43
Speaker 1: Two blocks? Yeah? I agree with Amy. From what I've
23:45
Speaker 1: been hearing here in New York, is that it's it's
23:47
Speaker 1: four blocks, um in terms of just city blocks, but
23:52
Speaker 1: just a couple of blocks. And when not think about
23:54
Speaker 1: barely a football field. That's not even a football field
23:57
Speaker 1: for New York blocks, right, that's not even a football field,
24:00
Speaker 1: repeats say, right there, and they're probably even smaller. But
24:02
Speaker 1: you know, just that idea of what you're talking about,
24:05
Speaker 1: it being so close and standing at standing at the
24:08
Speaker 1: front door and maybe watching your child or your niece
24:12
Speaker 1: go off and say, okay, you know, see you tomorrow,
24:15
Speaker 1: quick trip, and then it turns into this. It's just
24:18
Speaker 1: it's just devastating for everybody to doctor Tim Gallagher, the
24:22
Speaker 1: medical examiner for the entire state of Florida. You can
24:24
Speaker 1: find at pathcaremed dot com. Uh Wow, Professor or University
24:29
Speaker 1: Florida Medical School, founder and host of the International Forensic
24:33
Speaker 1: Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher at the autopsy's happening
24:38
Speaker 1: right now, right now, give me your impressions. Her body
24:43
Speaker 1: had been out in the elements. I'm not sure what
24:46
Speaker 1: the temp would be, Jack, could you look up the
24:48
Speaker 1: tent in Chippewa Falls on April twenty four, But she
24:53
Speaker 1: was out at amy winter. She was at least out
24:56
Speaker 1: in the elements overnight. Correct, it is. I mean it
24:59
Speaker 1: is believed said she, you know, was missing at nine
25:03
Speaker 1: pm at night and was not found until twelve hours later.
25:07
Speaker 1: So gotcha. Okay, Doctor Gallagher with that said, do you
25:11
Speaker 1: have the temper yet? Jack? Thirty four degrees? Now did
25:16
Speaker 1: you look for April twenty four? Well, plug in April
25:19
Speaker 1: twenty it's Google g O O G l A. You say,
25:24
Speaker 1: what was the temperature April twenty four? Chippewa falls. But
25:27
Speaker 1: let's just go with thirty four Doctor Gallagher, what are
25:31
Speaker 1: your thoughts because they're not releasing cod Yeah. Right, So
25:37
Speaker 1: there's a few things, Joe. This is number one, a
25:39
Speaker 1: very high profile case, so it could be handled slightly
25:41
Speaker 1: differently than a routine case that would coming through the office.
25:45
Speaker 1: But because of the body was found in relatively so
25:49
Speaker 1: one murder is routine and another murder is not routine. Well,
25:54
Speaker 1: I'd say that from the perspective of the medical examiner,
25:57
Speaker 1: every case is is out see the same exact way
26:02
Speaker 1: this case. For example, the external portion of the body
26:06
Speaker 1: would be examined first, very carefully, looking for signs of
26:11
Speaker 1: injury or possibly signs of disease. And we have to remember,
26:15
Speaker 1: even though the police do classify this as a homicide,
26:20
Speaker 1: that the medical examiner's investigation is a parallel but separate
26:25
Speaker 1: investigation from that of law enforcement. So we have to
26:29
Speaker 1: rule out scientifically that this was but we have to
26:36
Speaker 1: rule out you said, your investigation is different from the
26:39
Speaker 1: police investigent exactly. We get information from the police, but
26:43
Speaker 1: we have to prove what they say in a very
26:46
Speaker 1: scientific manner. For instance, if a case came in and
26:50
Speaker 1: the police said this was a suspected suicide, we did
26:54
Speaker 1: our investigation and the autopsy findings led us to believe
26:58
Speaker 1: that this was a natural or a homicide, then we
27:02
Speaker 1: would have to use our findings to give our legal
27:08
Speaker 1: cause of death. So we get our information from different sources,
27:12
Speaker 1: but we have to compile our information and come up
27:15
Speaker 1: with our own opinion as to what the cause of
27:19
Speaker 1: death was. You know, and in this case, yes, it
27:22
Speaker 1: is being advertised or not advertised, but it is being
27:26
Speaker 1: suspected that this is a homicide. But until the autopsy
27:30
Speaker 1: is done, until everything else is ruled out and ruling
27:34
Speaker 1: out natural disease as well, ruling out accident, ruling out suicide,
27:39
Speaker 1: that believe us a homicide and then that in the
27:43
Speaker 1: eyes of the medical examiner, would be the cause of death,
27:46
Speaker 1: not information that we received from other agencies. Okay, I
27:52
Speaker 1: hear you, doctor, I hear you. I think is highly
27:55
Speaker 1: unlikely that a ten year old girl disdropt death from
27:58
Speaker 1: natural causes or took her life. Nancy, this is on
28:02
Speaker 1: the way home from her aunt. I was going to
28:06
Speaker 1: say one of the things, one of the things that
28:08
Speaker 1: struck me about this case is she was only missing
28:10
Speaker 1: for a short period of time, Yet immediately the police
28:14
Speaker 1: chief comes out and classifies it as a homicide, no doubt,
28:17
Speaker 1: knowing any other categories that were available. So, although you
28:20
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what happened, yet, we still have a
28:23
Speaker 1: pretty good idea that whatever they saw, whatever they gathered,
28:26
Speaker 1: and whatever condition the body was in, they saw enough
28:30
Speaker 1: to be able to determine this was a homicide exactly.
28:33
Speaker 1: That's my next question to Gallagher was they announced pretty
28:36
Speaker 1: quickly upon the discovery of her body that it was
28:39
Speaker 1: a homicide, So obviously something they saw immediately tell them
28:43
Speaker 1: this was a murderer. Guys, take a listen to our
28:47
Speaker 1: cut eleven. This is Rob Olsen, Fox nine. I asked
28:50
Speaker 1: the chief, you know, what was it that turned this
28:52
Speaker 1: from a missing person into a homicide investigation, and he
28:55
Speaker 1: wouldn't elaborate except to say, obviously evidence at the scene
28:58
Speaker 1: was a pretty clear indication that that is what they
29:01
Speaker 1: were dealing with. Spoke to several neighbors around here. None
29:03
Speaker 1: of them wanted to go on camera because they're pretty
29:05
Speaker 1: shaken up by this, but said that, yeah, this is
29:07
Speaker 1: a shocking development in a community like this to hear
29:10
Speaker 1: something like this happening. One man out walking his dogs
29:14
Speaker 1: said he was out last night walking his dogs to
29:17
Speaker 1: around nine o'clock and heard a short, sharp scream. Doesn't
29:21
Speaker 1: know that that was, you know, related to this or not,
29:26
Speaker 1: but now he can't help but think it potentially was,
29:28
Speaker 1: and it's really got him shaken as well. I'm just
29:31
Speaker 1: wondering what that scream was. Now we're honing in. Listen
29:36
Speaker 1: to our cut sixteen from the police Chief and Chippawalf Falls.
29:40
Speaker 1: I'm Matthew Callum. I am the police chief for the
29:42
Speaker 1: Chippa Falls Police Department, and I'm providing an update on
29:46
Speaker 1: the homicide investigation. First, and most importantly, earlier this evening,
29:52
Speaker 1: we arrested a juvenile suspect in this case. The suspect
29:56
Speaker 1: was not a stranger. Suspect was known to the vector.
30:02
Speaker 1: We do not believe there is any danger to the
30:05
Speaker 1: community at this time. While nothing will bring Lily Peters
30:11
Speaker 1: back or change what happened, we are very grateful to
30:14
Speaker 1: be able to deliver this news for the family and
30:17
Speaker 1: for the community and also our cut twenty, our friends
30:21
Speaker 1: at Fox nine. This news of the arrest really has
30:24
Speaker 1: sent shockwaves through this tight knit community of Chippewa Falls.
30:28
Speaker 1: The fact that a child has been an arrested in
30:31
Speaker 1: connection with the death and the murder of another child
30:34
Speaker 1: really is unbelievable to people here tonight. Now, tonight, Chip
30:38
Speaker 1: Falls Police did announce that a juvenile is in custody
30:41
Speaker 1: in connection with the murder of ten year old Lily Peters.
30:44
Speaker 1: We are told that this person is someone that Lily knew,
30:47
Speaker 1: and that there is no danger to the public. Tonight,
30:50
Speaker 1: this shocking crime really has rocked this small community. Purple
30:53
Speaker 1: ribbons are now covering lampposts and street signs to honor Lily.
30:58
Speaker 1: Driving through town and through our communities, we can see
31:01
Speaker 1: the purple ribbons and honestly, I would expect nothing less
31:04
Speaker 1: from the chip of False community. Chippe of Valley and
31:07
Speaker 1: their Surrounds Time stories with Nancy Grace Amy Winters joining
31:27
Speaker 1: us from WAU thirteen. Amy, what can you tell us?
31:32
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was shocking to hear, you know,
31:36
Speaker 1: the police chiefs say that it was a juvenile suspect.
31:40
Speaker 1: We tried to ask as many questions, of course, as
31:43
Speaker 1: possible at that news conference, Um, but he would not
31:47
Speaker 1: the police chief would not give us much more than
31:50
Speaker 1: it was a juvenile and that it was somebody that
31:54
Speaker 1: knew Lily and that Lily knew Um, and that you know,
31:58
Speaker 1: the public wasn't in danger anymore. I mean the entire
32:02
Speaker 1: community was on edge walking. Instead of you know, letting
32:05
Speaker 1: their kids walk to school the next day, they were
32:07
Speaker 1: told by the school district to drive their kids to
32:10
Speaker 1: school and pick them up from school straight out to
32:14
Speaker 1: Laura Ingle, joining us, her correspondent Fox News Channel, Laura,
32:18
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about social media having something
32:24
Speaker 1: to do with Lily's death? Well, there is a possibility
32:28
Speaker 1: that there was some kind of action here on social media.
32:32
Speaker 1: It's not confirmed. I can't confirm it. And when you
32:35
Speaker 1: go back and you look at this school district's release
32:38
Speaker 1: to parents, them the community, asking people saying, look, you know,
32:42
Speaker 1: do not get on social media and spread rumors. So
32:45
Speaker 1: I'm not spreading rumors, but I am going to share
32:47
Speaker 1: a thread that we are following about these users with
32:51
Speaker 1: Reddit talking within each other's sphere about some guy or
32:57
Speaker 1: some person i should say, who claimed they were in
33:00
Speaker 1: the park playing that popular mobile game Pokemon Go, when
33:05
Speaker 1: they claim that they saw a girl in a pink
33:08
Speaker 1: and purple hoodie on her bike with another kid on
33:11
Speaker 1: their way when this kid was out of the coming
33:13
Speaker 1: out of the park, saying maybe there was a kid
33:16
Speaker 1: that was involved in this, And then everybody in this
33:19
Speaker 1: social media thread jumped on this user and said, you
33:23
Speaker 1: need to call law enforcement right away. Please call the
33:26
Speaker 1: tip line if you haven't already. So every you know
33:29
Speaker 1: this kid or a person did call law enforcement. People
33:33
Speaker 1: did also share the screenshot of this communication with police.
33:39
Speaker 1: A detective with the chip of off Falls Police Department
33:41
Speaker 1: reportedly called this Reddit user to ask what they had seen.
33:47
Speaker 1: So there is a possibility that somebody in the woods
33:51
Speaker 1: playing Pokemon Go, that virtual game on your mobile app,
33:55
Speaker 1: saw something, said something, and it could have played a
33:58
Speaker 1: part in information to investigator too. Bobby Chicon joining US
34:03
Speaker 1: former FBI agent at Bobby chicon dot com. You and
34:08
Speaker 1: I discussed many times the case of Gabby Petito and
34:12
Speaker 1: her fiancee killer Brian Laundry. Remember when the search was
34:18
Speaker 1: on for Gabby Petito and Laundry's parents were doing nothing
34:22
Speaker 1: to help Gabby's parents find her. It was actually, I
34:27
Speaker 1: believe the name of the social media person was Red
34:32
Speaker 1: White and Bethane that was out camping and dispersed camping
34:40
Speaker 1: themselves and they saw a white van that they believed
34:45
Speaker 1: looked very much like Gabby's, and they took a picture
34:48
Speaker 1: of it, sent it in a citizen sleuth, and in
34:53
Speaker 1: fact it was Gabby's van, and her body was found
34:58
Speaker 1: very nearby. And I am not knocking authorities. This was
35:03
Speaker 1: out in dispersed camping, which means you're not at porta
35:07
Speaker 1: potti or an electrical hookup. You're out and the tetons
35:13
Speaker 1: and nature. There's no cell phone activity, there's nothing. And
35:20
Speaker 1: if it had not been for that citizen's sleuth, she
35:24
Speaker 1: may never have been found, or it would at least
35:27
Speaker 1: have been many more weeks, if not longer before she
35:31
Speaker 1: was found. So here from what Laura Ingel is telling me.
35:35
Speaker 1: From Fox News. We have the same scenario. Hey Laura,
35:38
Speaker 1: what did they say? Again? The person's out playing POKEMONO
35:42
Speaker 1: in this foresty area and they say they see what
35:46
Speaker 1: They claim that they saw a little girl wearing a
35:49
Speaker 1: pink and purple hoodie matchuman description with another kid, and
35:54
Speaker 1: this person was playing POKEMONO, they claim, in the woods
35:59
Speaker 1: and saw you know, the person that match the description.
36:03
Speaker 1: And when that person posted on Reddit and everybody jumped
36:08
Speaker 1: on this user and said you need to call law
36:10
Speaker 1: enforcement right now, and that person apparently did and that
36:13
Speaker 1: led to some kind of communication according to these reports.
36:16
Speaker 1: What about it, you count? Well, Look, I think that
36:17
Speaker 1: it's member enough on law enforcement, and say, because I
36:19
Speaker 1: think the police have always said, like you know, you've
36:22
Speaker 1: always hear it, we need the community's help with these
36:24
Speaker 1: kind of things. And I think as you describe with
36:27
Speaker 1: technology with cell phones, I mean, the public has become
36:29
Speaker 1: a force multiplier for investigators. And as an investigator, I
36:33
Speaker 1: always would prefer more information than less. Even if I
36:37
Speaker 1: was drinking out of a firehose, meaning there's so much
36:39
Speaker 1: information coming in I have to sift through leads that
36:42
Speaker 1: aren't valid or whatever. I would always prefer to have
36:44
Speaker 1: that situation than too little information coming in. So I
36:48
Speaker 1: think that this is a great time that we're in
36:50
Speaker 1: with technology where people are using it for good here
36:53
Speaker 1: to assist law enforcement because law enforcement can't be everywhere
36:57
Speaker 1: and the community oftentimes has to step ball and help
37:00
Speaker 1: in these investigations. And this is the perfect example. I think.
37:03
Speaker 1: Even in the one of the press conferences, I heard
37:05
Speaker 1: the chief in this case credit a call or a
37:08
Speaker 1: tip that came in being significant in this case. So
37:11
Speaker 1: I think that this isn't exactly the way the law
37:14
Speaker 1: enforce wants it. We want people out there to call
37:18
Speaker 1: in to tell us, to send us whatever information they have,
37:21
Speaker 1: because it's it's a boon to law enforce. But now
37:24
Speaker 1: sometimes that makes the job more laborious. But again, I'd
37:28
Speaker 1: rather have too much information coming in to me as
37:31
Speaker 1: an investigator than too little to Tracy Sergeant joining us
37:34
Speaker 1: expert canine handler. Could a belonging of the suspect the
37:41
Speaker 1: juvenile we think may even be her age. We know
37:46
Speaker 1: that gvenile is under eighteen, so seventeen and under. Could
37:51
Speaker 1: belongs of the suspect be taken to the area and
37:55
Speaker 1: safe the dog hits placing the suspect there it certainly could.
37:59
Speaker 1: It's especially since it's a somewhat isolated area. I know
38:03
Speaker 1: it's well traveled versus let's say the dog checking inside
38:07
Speaker 1: the home or around the yard. That's a lot more
38:10
Speaker 1: complicated than let's say starting the dog in a wooded
38:14
Speaker 1: area where there's less contamination, less scent that the dog
38:18
Speaker 1: has to work through, and to see if the dog
38:20
Speaker 1: would actually pick up that juvenile in this case sent
38:24
Speaker 1: in that area. So it is very possible, yes, to
38:27
Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the State of
38:29
Speaker 1: Florida at pathcaremd dot com. Doctor Gallagher, now that we
38:33
Speaker 1: know police have arrested a juvenile in the murder in
38:38
Speaker 1: the homicide of ten year Lily Peters, what would you
38:42
Speaker 1: expect to be the cod cause of death? First of all,
38:46
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a gun, because
38:49
Speaker 1: I don't think a child that age is going to
38:50
Speaker 1: be going around with a gun. Now, if you'll remember
38:54
Speaker 1: the slender Man case where two or three little girls
38:58
Speaker 1: attack their best friend and tried to stab her dad
39:02
Speaker 1: so they could go live with slender Man in his mansion.
39:08
Speaker 1: That was done with a knife. I could see a
39:11
Speaker 1: right a knife or asphyxiation. What do you think, Well,
39:14
Speaker 1: it's been mentioned that the suspect is known to them,
39:18
Speaker 1: to the victim, and typically, you know, we find stabbings
39:23
Speaker 1: in those situations to be most common. You know, the
39:27
Speaker 1: person allows the suspect to come close to them, and
39:32
Speaker 1: a knife is typically what we find it in use.
39:37
Speaker 1: Asphyxiation probably not so much, because it takes a really
39:41
Speaker 1: long time to asphyxiate somebody with the literature around their
39:44
Speaker 1: neck three four, sometimes even five minutes, you know. So, um,
39:49
Speaker 1: that would in an area such as that, that may
39:51
Speaker 1: draw attention to him and he would probably be exposed
39:55
Speaker 1: a lot sooner than what he was. So my guess
39:58
Speaker 1: would be you're right, it would be a sharp force
40:00
Speaker 1: instrument or a knight to Laura Ingle joining us, Oh yeah,
40:04
Speaker 1: we got the ten forty one low fifty seven high,
40:06
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jackie, Laura Ingle. I know that the juvenile
40:11
Speaker 1: suspect is headed to court. What do we know, Well,
40:15
Speaker 1: we've just learned, we've just been on the phone with
40:18
Speaker 1: the distrig attorney in that county and we know the
40:21
Speaker 1: judge's name, Judge Lane, presiding over the hearing. Cameras will
40:26
Speaker 1: be allowed inside of this bond hearing. However, this is
40:31
Speaker 1: a small courtroom. We've been told the juvenile suspect will
40:34
Speaker 1: not be inside the courtroom in person. He will be
40:37
Speaker 1: on a video feed, and the rule being set forth
40:41
Speaker 1: by the judge is that the cameras are not allowed
40:43
Speaker 1: to film the juvenile suspect. They're asking the media to
40:46
Speaker 1: refer to the suspect by initials only, not the full names.
40:49
Speaker 1: It's a juvenile, and then that judge will decide if
40:53
Speaker 1: this is a monetary bond or not. And I heard
40:55
Speaker 1: you say, hey, so it's a boy, you know that,
40:57
Speaker 1: And that happened with the press conference last night with
40:59
Speaker 1: law enforcement. They never gave us an age or a gender,
41:03
Speaker 1: but the law enforcement did refer to the suspect as him.
41:08
Speaker 1: So that and that is also what has happened with
41:11
Speaker 1: our information that we're getting today as well. I would
41:13
Speaker 1: have expected a him, because statistically it's more probable that
41:17
Speaker 1: the purp is a him, even as a juvenile. But
41:20
Speaker 1: like in the case with slender Man, you can always
41:23
Speaker 1: be proven wrong. There's always an aberration. We wait as
41:27
Speaker 1: justice unfolds at this hour. Our prayers with the family
41:32
Speaker 1: of ten year old Iliana Lily maters if i