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Steve Price | 24 July · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live. Yes is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Great to be back
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  Speaker 2: after a couple of weeks in Japan, and I've got
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  Speaker 2: to say coming back to Melbourne was a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a shock. Graffiti everywhere, rubbish in the streets, out of
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  Speaker 2: control crime, not to mention the price of food and drink.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on our Friday night show. Speaking
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  Speaker 2: of Victoria's crime crisis, I'll talk with Jared Dwyer from
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  Speaker 2: a retail workers' union about a disturbing surge in at
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  Speaker 2: tax on retail workers. Daily, shop workers are abused, spat
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  Speaker 2: at and forced to watch drug addl thieves simply loading
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  Speaker 2: up with stock and refusing to pay, with the workers
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  Speaker 2: advised not to intervene. Also tonight, the Combalth Games. They're
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  Speaker 2: in Glasgow's Scotland. They're up and running, funded to the
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  Speaker 2: tune of hundreds of millions of dollars of Victorian taxpayers
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  Speaker 2: money thanks to former Premier Daniel Andrews pulling the pin
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  Speaker 2: at the last moment. We'll talk to Friday regular Campbell
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  Speaker 2: Newman about that. Another car giant, this time the Italian
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  Speaker 2: carmaker Fiat pulls out of Australia following the French vehicle
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  Speaker 2: manufacturer of Pergo all in the face of competition from
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  Speaker 2: cheaper Chinese made evs as the retail car market goes
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  Speaker 2: through tough times. Will be joined by Paul gober and
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  Speaker 2: Friday regular and genius cartoonist Mark Knight with his best
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  Speaker 2: of the week. Plus we'll take you to the aop's
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  Speaker 2: national conference where there has been protests outside today around
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  Speaker 2: the nuclear submarine program ORCUS, but first on labor matters.
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  Speaker 2: I noticed in the front row yesterday as the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister entered the conference room in Adelaide to deliver his
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  Speaker 2: opening address at the party's conference, where he made a
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  Speaker 2: point of mentioning one nation by the way on equal
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  Speaker 2: terms with the coalition. There was the Victorian Premier just
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  Speaker 2: sent to Allen. She received a polite Prime Minister's handshake
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  Speaker 2: and he moved on, and Torkia moving on. The rumblings
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  Speaker 2: about moving Allan herself on before the November twenty eighth
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  Speaker 2: state election just will not go away. And yesterday's national
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  Speaker 2: unemployment figures just made her task of hanging on to
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  Speaker 2: her job in the face of plunging opinion polls. A
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  Speaker 2: relentless deadly and costly crime crisis, a homelessness and drug emergency,
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  Speaker 2: plus a property market in free fall. Well, it's even
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  Speaker 2: harder to see her surviving next week's return of State Parliament. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Victoria now has that nation's highest unemployment figure at five
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  Speaker 2: point one percent, compared with a similar sized state like
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales, which sits at four percent. I'd like
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  Speaker 2: you to have a look at this graph from our
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  Speaker 2: contributor Warren Hogan, provided to me by Sky News Business
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  Speaker 2: editor Ross Greenwood. Now, Victoria is the red line. The
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  Speaker 2: blue line is Australia's unemployment number. Now, if you take
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  Speaker 2: Victoria out of those numbers, as Hogan points out, Victoria's
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  Speaker 2: got two hundred and five thousand people unemployed out of
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  Speaker 2: six hundred eighty six eight hundred nationwide. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: a third of all unemployed people in Australia, Well they
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  Speaker 2: live in Victoria. And when you consider the size of
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  Speaker 2: the state public service, it gives you a pretty grim
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  Speaker 2: picture of how the state is traveling job wise.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The Australian newspaper State political reporter Anthony Galloway reported yesterday
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  Speaker 2: that new cracks are emerging in support for Jacina Alan
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  Speaker 2: staying in her job until the election. Now, incredibly, Parliament,
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  Speaker 2: listen to this, sits for four days. This is the
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  Speaker 2: State Parliament of Victoria sits for four days next week
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  Speaker 2: and then does not sit again until the election at
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  Speaker 2: the end of November.
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  Speaker 1: That's four months.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how outrageous is that sixteen weeks talk about
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  Speaker 2: avoiding scrutiny, talk about hiding in the dark, shutting down debate.
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  Speaker 2: I understand the opposition will move a no confidence motion
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  Speaker 2: in the government next Tuesday, but it feels like the
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  Speaker 2: people of Victoria are being completely gas lit. How many
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  Speaker 2: people suggest they would rather see to send her Alan
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  Speaker 2: Goad to the election and go to the electric be thrashed,
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  Speaker 2: booted out of her own seat. But when I look
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  Speaker 2: at Labour governments in the other states, like Peter malinowskis
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  Speaker 2: in South Australia or Chrismin's in New South Wales, I'd
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  Speaker 2: much rather Victorian Labor boot out the hard left socialist
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  Speaker 2: activist in Allen and install a moderate leader. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Allen and her hard left cabinet can do a lot
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  Speaker 2: of damage between now and the end of November. You
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  Speaker 2: just watch if she's days Galloway reported there are talks
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  Speaker 2: of a cross factional delegation fronting the Premier and asking
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  Speaker 2: her to step aside. Now that could happen as early
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  Speaker 2: as Monday or Tuesday next week, and I suspect she'll
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  Speaker 2: have to be kept drag kicking and screaming.
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  Speaker 1: Out of the job.
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  Speaker 2: Her most likely replacement is the Deputy Premier Ben Carroll,
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  Speaker 2: who embarrassingly a few weeks back during a media conference,
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  Speaker 2: pledged his loyalty to his premier.
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  Speaker 4: I've got a young daughter at home and I couldn't
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  Speaker 4: be more proud to make sure she grows up knowing
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  Speaker 4: that I supported to Cinter Allen to be a world
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  Speaker 4: class premier and get re elected in her own role.
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  Speaker 3: Are you going to ask her to step aside?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 3: Can you look her.
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  Speaker 6: In the iron soback I can look you in the other.
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  Speaker 3: Say that Premier, what a fool?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what a fool?
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  Speaker 1: What the hell was he thinking?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm reliably informed that backroom numbers of crunches doing
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  Speaker 2: counting the numbers on behalf of Carol.
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  Speaker 1: Were horrified at that.
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  Speaker 2: All the while Victorians are living through an economic and
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  Speaker 2: criminal dumpster fire. Basic services have collapsed and thousands of
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  Speaker 2: teachers from public schools marched through central Melbourne again yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: reminding me of the dying days of the Kernel Labor government,
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  Speaker 2: when a tram driver strike spelt the end for the
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  Speaker 2: only other woman to have served as Victorian Premier. And
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  Speaker 2: while Center Allen hangs in the breeze, the man who
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  Speaker 2: installed her and created many of these failed projects crueling
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  Speaker 2: the state, Daniel andres Well. Where was he this week?
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  Speaker 2: Well reportedly attending a dinner at a multimillion dollar Harveside
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  Speaker 2: mansion in Sydney, where it's been reported the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: has promised a six figure political donation. I mean, we'll
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  Speaker 2: see what happens next week, but it would not surprise
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  Speaker 2: me if Premier Allen is shown the door. With some
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  Speaker 2: sources tonight's suggesting the end could come as soon as
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  Speaker 2: Monday or Tuesday. Now this would require Alan to quit,
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  Speaker 2: to volunteerily step down. If not, she could last until
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  Speaker 2: maybe the end of next week. We'll have to wait
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  Speaker 2: and see. Talking about Labor Party politics, let's turn our
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  Speaker 2: attention now to the Labor Party train your conference. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: it's been staged in Adelaide, my old hometown. Across The
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  Speaker 2: weekend started yesterday keynote speech from the Prime Minister. Some
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  Speaker 2: developments around Labour's attempts to tighten gambling laws, with some
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  Speaker 2: of the delegates very voge today about how those changes
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  Speaker 2: don't go far enough. Also talk around orcus, with the
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  Speaker 2: former minister now backbencher Ed Husick vocal around the nuclear
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  Speaker 2: submarine issue. Also some deepening divisions over Israel, with the
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  Speaker 2: government facing growing pressure for some of these delegates over
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  Speaker 2: their position on the Middle East conflict and their lack
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  Speaker 2: of focus on Hamas Sky and News political editor Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Clenel has been lucky enough to be posted to Adelaide
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  Speaker 2: this weekend. My old mate joins me, Andrew, I know
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  Speaker 2: you've done a few of these, try and you'll get togethers.
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  Speaker 2: What's the general mood among the delegates.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean this has been a boring one.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's about to hot up tomorrow potentially with
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  Speaker 7: Israel Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: Edi Usik's going to move this amendment.
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  Speaker 7: It's been reported in the Australia a short time ago
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  Speaker 7: that involves taking the representatives out of Tel Aviv and
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  Speaker 7: talking about genocide and all this sort of thing in
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  Speaker 7: terms of Palestine, and it's also being reported this afternoon.
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  Speaker 7: Penny Wong's something of a negotiator with Josh Burns on
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  Speaker 7: the other side, the Jewish Labor MP. So we finally
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  Speaker 7: have a battle here. I mean, the gas tax was
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  Speaker 7: a fizzer. They sought out amendment prior to that. Going
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  Speaker 7: to the conference, it looks like Husick, who's proven a
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  Speaker 7: real critic of the government since he was done from cabinet,
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  Speaker 7: he's picked his fight.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see if he goes through with it, or let's
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  Speaker 1: see if it.
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  Speaker 7: Like everything else at this conference, they negotiate the wording
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  Speaker 7: before they go in that room to my right, and
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  Speaker 7: then you know, there's no public fight. There's no public
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  Speaker 7: policy discussion.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's what.
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  Speaker 7: Labor conferences that I've attended for many years has ever
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  Speaker 7: been about. And you know, some would say this is
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  Speaker 7: a tribute to Anthony Albanezi that he keeps it all
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  Speaker 7: in such tight control. But on the other hand, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: what are these things for, you know, Steve so certainly
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  Speaker 7: as a journalist you'd like to see a bit of
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  Speaker 7: policy discussion.
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  Speaker 1: I think the other interesting thing about.
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  Speaker 7: The conference was clearly the Prime Minister's speech and that
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  Speaker 7: he referenced one nation, so many times you talked about
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  Speaker 7: mono culture. He talked about a coalition between the Liberals,
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  Speaker 7: Nationals and One Nation. That's apparently going to be the
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  Speaker 7: tactic as they head into the election campaign a couple
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  Speaker 7: of years to tie all those parties together, and it
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  Speaker 7: shows that they're pretty spooked, as you should be when
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  Speaker 7: a party were just two seats in the House of
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  Speaker 7: Representatives has poll numbers up to thirty percent primary. So
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  Speaker 7: I think those are the two main takeouts. They've deliberately
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  Speaker 7: timed the Israel Palestine and Orchest discussions on Saturdays when
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  Speaker 7: less people attend to the news.
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  Speaker 1: Let's face it, and if there is some action, it
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  Speaker 1: will be tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Steve Well, when you say you've got Josh Burns and
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  Speaker 2: Penny Wong, are they playing peacemaker? Are they trying to
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  Speaker 2: shut ed Husick down? Because my sense of seeing ed
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  Speaker 2: Husick being interviewed regularly by you and appearing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on Sky on various programs. He's not for shutting up,
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  Speaker 2: is he.
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  Speaker 7: That's why you tend to think it would go ahead.
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  Speaker 7: But he needs back us too to get the amendment
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  Speaker 7: up right, So I mean he might want to proceed
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  Speaker 7: with it, but if people around him who are supporting
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  Speaker 7: the amendment, happy with a form of words that Penny
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  Speaker 7: Wongs negotiated which is still critical of some aspects of
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  Speaker 7: the war, etc. Then you could have a situation it
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  Speaker 7: doesn't see the light of day. I'm sort of more
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  Speaker 7: with you. I would say that Hughsick wants to have
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  Speaker 7: a battle at this conference, and surely he's going to
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  Speaker 7: push your head with this one. We'll surely get up
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  Speaker 7: to speak and finally we're going to see some fight.
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  Speaker 1: It is a peculiar one. I mean, I remember the
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  Speaker 1: boat Turnbacks one.
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  Speaker 7: I remember the Ucuest one in Brisbane in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 7: That was fiery. The Prime Minister even spoke at that.
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  Speaker 7: This conference two days so far, it's lacked.
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  Speaker 1: That really has.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about conferences of the past. I was tempted today
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  Speaker 2: Andrew to go back and look at and pictures of
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  Speaker 2: my favorite ALP conference ever held. This was Interrigle on
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  Speaker 2: the central coast of New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going back a bit.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look at that Gough Whitlam sitting next to
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  Speaker 2: a bear chested bob hawk, two beers in front of them,
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  Speaker 2: and GoF had an Hawaiian shirt on there were girls
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  Speaker 2: in bikinis wandering around the place. I sort of like
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  Speaker 2: that more than going over to the conference center in Adelaide.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I got to go to the footy last night.
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  Speaker 7: That was something, Steve. How good is the Adelaide overle
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  Speaker 7: but ohow fantastic? Yeah, I might not comment on that, mate, Look,
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  Speaker 7: I just think that hawk it's interesting. He had such
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  Speaker 7: a profile then, right as the head of the Act.
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  Speaker 7: You don't have to see sale McManus or other act
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  Speaker 7: leaders in that position. He was talked about a future
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  Speaker 7: as a future prime minister even then in seventy five.
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  Speaker 7: You're talking eight years five years before he ended the Parliament,
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  Speaker 7: in eight years before he won the Opposition lead the
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  Speaker 7: ship and then a short time later the prime ministership.
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  Speaker 7: So interesting to see him a central figure. But look,
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  Speaker 7: you know, we know it was a different age back then, Steve,
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  Speaker 7: and a pretty male dominated one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you weren't born of course. What's your sense of
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  Speaker 2: the prime minister's popularity over all?
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  Speaker 1: One in that room?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Thanks?
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  Speaker 2: If I was twenty, how do you think he's being
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  Speaker 2: received by the General delegation?
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  Speaker 1: Pretty well? Pretty well, got heaps of cheers.
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  Speaker 7: I knew he'd get a cheer for the negative gearing
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  Speaker 7: stuff and all that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been received pretty well.
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  Speaker 7: They do seem pretty united, and I think there's a
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  Speaker 7: reasonable spirit about the place, as there is when you're
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  Speaker 7: in government.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you have one of these things.
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  Speaker 7: When you're in opposition, and unless you're in a you're
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  Speaker 7: looking at pole winning chance.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of acting going on. You know, you're
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  Speaker 1: not where you want.
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  Speaker 7: To be, so there can be more tension then again,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I remember he Sais Labor Conference when they
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  Speaker 7: were collapsing over corruption scandals and Nathan Reeves introduced an
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  Speaker 7: amendment so that he could have control over the cabinet,
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  Speaker 7: take that away from caucus, and that was a huge bonfight.
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  Speaker 7: That has a different atmosphere too, when it's seen the
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  Speaker 7: government's failing or the government's on the nose or about
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  Speaker 7: to lose an election. There's none of that sort of
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  Speaker 7: aspect here. It's very much Albaneze's in charge.
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  Speaker 1: His pole ratings could be higher.
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  Speaker 7: The opposition is completely split between two different parties.
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  Speaker 1: The government's in a position of strength.
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  Speaker 7: But I do think it's interesting that this conference has,
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  Speaker 7: in my opinion, defined some of the things they did
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  Speaker 7: in the budget, they felt they needed to do something,
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  Speaker 7: even though it was a broken promise, to show they're
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  Speaker 7: doing something about housing and cost of living. And there's
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  Speaker 7: a lot of debate whether that will do any good
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  Speaker 7: at all, but that really has been something they've been
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  Speaker 7: able to take here and say, look, we are taking action,
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  Speaker 7: and their slogan for the conference is delivering real change,
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  Speaker 7: which is obviously very deliberate as well, and I think
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  Speaker 7: there's a touch of seeing one nation's voth grow about
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  Speaker 7: that slogan as well.
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  Speaker 2: You're doing great job, Andrew. Look forward to your coverage tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Mate, Thanks Dave good ONNY Mate.
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  Speaker 2: We're still on politics at spring in Queensland's former Cuislane Premier.
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  Speaker 2: Sky News Friday Night regular Campbell Newman, and we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to other news of the day in a moment. Campbell,
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  Speaker 2: great to see you again after a couple of weeks. Tonight,
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  Speaker 2: I've got to tell you there's significant speculation down here
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  Speaker 2: about the premiere of Victoria to Sinda Allen. Now, Victoria's
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  Speaker 2: due to go to an election at the end of November,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm being told by people that there's one week
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  Speaker 2: of sitting next week and then incredibly, they don't sit
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  Speaker 2: again until after the election, which is four months. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm told that there could be moves against her and
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  Speaker 2: she could be gone as early as next Tuesday.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it wouldn't be surprised, would you, Steve, Because the premier,
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  Speaker 5: I think now, of course, is toxic and we've seen
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  Speaker 5: reports in the media over the last few weeks of
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  Speaker 5: people clearly starting to do the numbers and undermine and
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  Speaker 5: the like. And indeed there was reports of one prominent
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  Speaker 5: member sort of having a real go in a caucus meeting.
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  Speaker 5: So when that starts to happen, the jungle drums are
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  Speaker 5: beating and I guess those labor in p's are just
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  Speaker 5: held been on political survival.
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  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I wanted to ask you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you've been premier, you survived, you've lost
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  Speaker 2: the election, lost your seat, and that's history. But what
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  Speaker 2: would be going on in the background here? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: labor in Victoria is so faction riven that you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be able to count the numbers unless you were right
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  Speaker 2: on the inside, because anything could be going on behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes.
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  Speaker 5: Well, gee, with Steve, I think that's outside my pay
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  Speaker 5: grade to comment on the inner workings of labor in Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: I think I'd best stick to Queensland where I know
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  Speaker 5: the personalities. But yeah, there's an air of desperation about them,
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  Speaker 5: which is interesting because you know, the the opposition haven't,
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  Speaker 5: you know, over the last few years covered themselves in
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  Speaker 5: glory and have had their own internal problems as we know.
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  Speaker 5: But it is a very bad government. It's a toxic government.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there was an article in the in the
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  Speaker 5: papers in the last few days about this sort of
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  Speaker 5: complete retreat in regard to the ban on rock climbing
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  Speaker 5: around sort of places like mounta Rapoli's, and I think
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  Speaker 5: the Grampians and you know, that's only happening because they're
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  Speaker 5: desperate to try and do anything to sort of remove
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  Speaker 5: you know, sort of sort of lead from the saddle bags,
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  Speaker 5: like anything they can do now, and that that just
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  Speaker 5: shows the desperation because I was hell bent on kicking
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  Speaker 5: the climbers out of those national parks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah they were.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's going to be a hell of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of promises maybe between now November. Let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: one nation in Pauline Hanson. She's challenging the coalition now
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  Speaker 2: to join forces with her to slam the door on
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  Speaker 2: these isis linked fighters coming back, including this bloke who
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  Speaker 2: is in prison over there. The doctor Angus Taylor never
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  Speaker 2: seems to give me the impression that he's actually willing
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  Speaker 2: to sit down and talk to Pauline Hanson. And I
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  Speaker 2: think I saw her in the last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 2: so that she hasn't had a proper conversation with him
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  Speaker 2: for months and months and months.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the other point I'd make about it though, and
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  Speaker 5: maybe I missed it. I just want to be fair
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  Speaker 5: about this, But this sort of thing by Hanson is
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  Speaker 5: getting ahead of the game. It's about creating the next
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  Speaker 5: sort of play in the political hurly burly. This is
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  Speaker 5: what the Liberal Party should have been saying. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 5: an am for them to suggest getting Hansen to support them,
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  Speaker 5: but the substantive issue is one that concerns Australians, which
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: is these rat bags who've turned their back on Australia
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: and gone to a foreign a foreign land to fight
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: for a terrible bunch of zealots who did such awful
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: criminal things. To say, many people in the Middle East,
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: and you know, none of us want these people back.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: And I would have thought it was a no brainer
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: for you, loudly and clearly. You know, anybody against the
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: government to be standing up and saying we've got to
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: actually change the laws and try and protect the country.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: So Hanson's ahead of the game in terms of the
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: politics of this.
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: It seems to me.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Liberals have been saying a similar thing.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: But I mean, she gets out and she gets the
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: publicity because anything with Pauline's name on it these days,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and you know, I've been in the media a very
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: long time. You put Pauline's name on any story and
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: you're going to get clickbait on it.
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: If it's as simple as that.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about much more happy things, Olympic Games and
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the infrastructure building queens.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: They might be so happy.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I was around when we had all these debates in
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Sydney about what we should spend on athletes villages in
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the main stadium out there, and you know everybody was saying, oh,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: it's going to cost us too much. Well, you're now
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: in the middle of this Brisbane Olympics twenty thirty two.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Their suggestion that the costs could blow out to more
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: than twenty billion dollars. I mean, that's just a figure
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: plucked out of the air. But is there a genuine
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: concern among Queenslanders that this thing's going to cost too
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: much money?
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: Steve, I think I think it's generally the community these
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: days expect, sadly, these major infrastructure projects wherever they are,
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: whatever government's doing it to run over time and over budget.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: One thing that can't happen here clearly is they cannot
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: go over time because there is a very clear headline.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: There was a very interesting comment by the chief executive
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: officer of the Game's Infrastructure our Coordination or Sorrower, the
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: other day. I'll just read it to you, at a
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: press conference about the swimming venues. He said, you marry
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: scope and time and it's a complex process.
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: We've barely started it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: And really what he was saying is we're up against that,
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: we're up against a hard time target. I'll interpret this
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: this means that the budget will be moving because you've
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: only got certain leavers on major projects. And if you've
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: got a hard deadline and you've got to accelerate, you've
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: got to push hard. It costs more. And regular views
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: of this show will know my opinions on some of
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: these matters anyway, and I've been saying, putting aside the
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: swimming stadium, the major stadium across the other side of
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: the major road and railway line in Victoria Park itself,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: that's going to be a lot more expensive than the
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: money they've been talking about.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of swimming center, Tracy wickhams unloaded. She's a
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: two time com Wealth Games gold medalist. Talking about the
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: twenty thirty two pool, she says it could end up
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: being a white elephant, and she's even saying that the
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: swimming should be held at Olympic Park in Sydney. I
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: hope she's ready for the backlash. But this swimming complex.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Does Brisbane need another aquatic center? Could they have not
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: renovated the one that was used way back when for
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the Kommalth Games.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: I've absolutely had the same thought about whether they should
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: be using Chandler. We were sold these games on the
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: basis that would use existing infrastructure and we wouldn't be
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: getting into all this building of new facilities and the like.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: And yet the government's thrown caution to the winds and
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: off they go. This is the state government. The only
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: thing I can say about positive thing about this new
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: swim center is I will say that the architecture is spectacular.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: I was quite excited to see those concepts. I'm not
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: excited about the bill of at least one point two billion,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: and I don't particular like the location as well. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: won't go over old ground. But yeah, look, the government
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: has really trying caution to the winds and you know
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: the bill will be a lot higher, there is no
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: doubt about that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: It was great to catch up and you'll see your
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: next Friday. That's Campbell Newman there just on that swimming center.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: By the way.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: The swimmers themselves love that Chandler pool. I mean they
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: think that the atmosphere inside that venue is fantastic. Now,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: coming up after the break fee to pulled back from
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Australia with its sales plummiting, looks like it can lay
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the blame squarely at China with its gabvs, with its
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: market dominance certainly on the rise. We'll talk about that
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: up next. Welcome back to the price with you on
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: this Friday night. Coming up, the retail crime wave that
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: has spread across Australia. Now our government's doing enough to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: stop it. I'll give you three examples that i've had
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: relayed to me personally in the last week of disgusting
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: behavior intide retail stores where people are simply grabbing goods,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: walking out the door, refusing to pay, smashing furniture, smashing glasses.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: It is disgusting and I feel very sorry for anyone
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: who works in retail. It should not be happening. Get
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: to that shortly. News this week that the talent carmaker
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Fiat have decided to pull back from the Australian market.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's with their EV versions of their Fiat Bambino,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: following what appears to be lack of sales for those cars,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: including also Pergo and Citron have also walked away from Australia.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: It looks like they're going to leave the market, especially
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: for upmarket expensive evs to people like BMW, Mercedes, people
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: like that the cheaper Chinese cars are just swamping the market.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: It could be the beginning of a much to get
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: shake up. Someone who knows much more about that than me.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Motoring journalists and commentator Paul Gover, Great to see you again, mate,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: is said, any surprise Feats walked away.
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: No, but I think the problem here with Steve is
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: we're adding up one on one and ending up with Pickle.
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: The thing about it the reason why Fiat's left Australia.
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: FI It's been a basket case in Australia for more
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: than thirty years. They've never understood the market, they've never
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: managed it well. And what's happened now is even the
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: Fiat loyalists have moved away. Same thing with Pergo. There
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: are lots of brands in trouble, a good made of mine.
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: Neville Crichton, who runs the biggest independent importer in Australia,
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: told me about five years ago that if you weren't
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: selling a minimum of five thousand cars in Australia, you
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: would go out of business and you shouldn't be here.
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: He's correct. But what's happening is there is much more
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: choice than ever before.
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: Provided by those Chinese brands you're talking about.
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: But remembering the reason why China is coming here in
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: big numbers two things. One over capacity at home and
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: falling domestic demand in China, and two good old Australia.
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: We're the test market.
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: And if you don't believe that, have a look at
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: Hyundai and Kia in Australia. Have you looked further back Toyota, Nissan,
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: Mitsubishi that everybody comes here to learn. It's the most
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: competitive market in the world for automobiles.
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: If you can do it here, you can scale it
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: up and take it anywhere.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: So from an EV point of view, I mean we're
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: going to have the cheap end with the Chinese, although
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: some of them are not that cheap. I mean, if
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: you're talking about you know, key of people movers that
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: are evs, they're not that cheap. But let's say the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: cheaper end of the markets dominated by the Asians, particularly
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Koreans and the Chinese. Does that mean that we're left
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: with Mercedes, BMW, Lexus. Those brands are going to cater
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: for people who want an up market EV.
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: No.
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: No, don't think at the moment that the Chinese are
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: stopping at a particular No, the Chinese are not stopping
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: in a price point Steve.
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: They're driving down.
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: They'll get to the point with either a combustion or
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: a hybrid or an Eve whatever they think they need.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: In Australia for under thirty grand, we're almost there right now.
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: But if you look at the top end, you've got
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: companies like Zeka, zee KR They're going luxury and upmarket. Now,
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: I've just spent three days this week with BYD, who
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: are the biggest Chinese brand two hundred and thirty four
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: sales behind Toyoda last month, only one month, but pointing,
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: but they're going everywhere. So they've got cheap ones, they've
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: got expensive one, and then they have an upscale model.
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: Does this sound like Toada and Lexus.
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: They have bid and they have Densa dnz A, so
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: they're going to have a luxury version as well.
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: Nobody is safe from this.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I know this is a hard question to answer it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Can you convince me that I would buy a Chinese
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: electric vehicle? Is there one that I'd be happy to drive?
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Do you think.
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: Big?
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: No, you might be happy to drive a short term
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: but as soon as I.
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: Ask you, as soon as absolutely, But as soon as
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: I ask you a question, what's it going to be
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: worth in three years timesturf?
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Don't know?
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: What's the reliability going to be like in three years?
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: Don't know?
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: Will the brand whatever it is be here in five years?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Don't know.
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: So there are a lot of questions we don't know
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: the answers to. They're trying to convince this. I was
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: sitting next to somebody on the other day on a
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: plane and they said, oh, you know, it's got a
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: seven year warranty. I said, seven year warranty is called
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: permission to buy. So when you go and will all
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: those questions, I just asked you, the dealership and the
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: car company will say, but we've got a seven year warranty.
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: And I said, so you're buying the car based on
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: the fact you're expecting it to break down.
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: And you're going to need the warranty. That's not the
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: way to be looking at it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: So, I mean what we're really saying, because you and
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I are on exactly the same page here. I mean,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: if you're going to buy a car that's you want
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to give you great mileage in terms of fuel, you're
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: going to buy either a normal hybrid made by the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Japanese probably or the Koreans, or you'll buy a plug
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: in hybrid from both of those manufacturers as well. Right, Yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: except that the Chinese now see, they're even rebranding what
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: a plug in hybrid is. They're now calling them super hybrids.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Isn't that great marketing? It's super hybrid, it's no different
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: or plug in. It's just a different name, but I
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: can tell you BYD is saying their new plug in hybrid,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: which is actually a station wagon, not an suv, not
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: a pickup truck, A normal, ordinary family station wagon will
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: go a thousand kilometers combined with the electric range and
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the combustion an engine in it, and it's a hybrid
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: a thousand kilometers.
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: Before you have to recharge or refuel.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Just quickly before you go. If I was talking to
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you this time next week, midnight next Friday, the petrol
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: excise is due to go back on.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Do you think the government will leave it on? Will
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: they leave it for a bit longer?
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: Do you reckon? No, they have to bring it back.
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: They're losing too much money.
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: The other thing is all they did, by all they
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: did by taking the excise down. Okay, it's a wonderful carrot,
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: it's a sugar retreat. But the fact of the matter
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: is it stopped their long term agenda of moving to
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: people across the stuff because there was no fuel shock,
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: if you like. And we know from history people will
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: pay more for something. It's when they can't get it
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: that's when they change. And so what happens when it
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: goes back up it'll make them think again, gee can
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: I afford this?
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: So there'll be a second wave in.
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: The back half of this year of hybrids, particularly being sold.
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: More and more people looking at and most of them
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: are rejecting electric cars.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Good on you, paulaw is great to catch up with you.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you mate, Paul. Go over there, okay. I mentioned
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: the retail workers across Australia and the behavior that they
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: are now facing. I think it's disgusting and I've had
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: three examples, three quick examples of what's going on out
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: there in the wider world, and it's impossible to ignore this.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Three examples told to me this week. Coffee shop in
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Chapel Street, Melbourne, a woman drug effected, throwing tables and
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: chairs out into the street, smashing crockery all over the footpath,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: threatening staff and customers. IgA Supermarket in Sorrento on the
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: morning to Peninsula, bloke loads up a basket, asks for cigarettes,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: snatches the smokes, his credit cards rejected and just walks
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: out and says, what are you going to do about it?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Supermarket in Melbourne forced to lock its doors because of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: what's going on and their staff are under threat. Jared
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Dwyer is the National Secretary of the Shop Distributive and
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Allied Employees Union that's for the union workers in retail.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: He is, of course in Adelaide is at the ALP conference.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Thanks for interrupting the conference, Jared. The people who are
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: in your union should not be treated like that.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: Our workers are like any other workers.
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: They go to work to do the work professionally and
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: with real effort.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: And they don't deserve to be abused while at work.
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: It's actually not part of the job. And we are
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: and have been for some time now, calling on Australian
• 31:31
  Speaker 11: consumers to actually be better. The behavior in our stores
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: is going from bad to worse, and quite frankly, it's
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: got to stop.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: What examples bad exams? I mean, are you getting them
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: on a regular basis? Like I just gave you three
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: there that's from this week.
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: We get these examples all the time, but it might
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: be more instructive to actually have a look at the
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: data that we've collected now over more than six years
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: of surveying in the field. Every second year we're out
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: there with a large survey that picks up several thousand
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: members and unfortunately we still see that figure of about
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: eighty five percent of retail workers are verbally abused each year.
• 32:17
  Speaker 11: That is something we've been unable to move that dial
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: at all. But more concerningly, it's the physical abuse in
• 32:24
  Speaker 11: the past six years that has tripled. It started off
• 32:28
  Speaker 11: a single digit around seven eight percent. The last survey
• 32:31
  Speaker 11: we had, it was well into the twenties, and we're
• 32:34
  Speaker 11: going into the field next year. I'd like to think
• 32:37
  Speaker 11: that the figure is lower, but unfortunately, the anecdotes that
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: you've received, the calls that we get each week, they
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: make me think we're actually going to see a higher
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: figure again next year, and that's unfortunate.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: We as a community should be better. Retail workers deserve respect.
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: They're trying to make people's shopping experience a pleasant one,
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: and this unfortunately goes on far too often.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Jared, I mean, some employers are doing the right thing,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: but some are not. I've got in my local area
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: a seven eleven store. There's a young lady who works
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: regularly behind the counter there. I go in there most
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: mornings at about a quarter to seven. She's got a
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: homeless person sleeping out the front of the shop. She
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: has to lock the doors because she's frightened of who's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: going to come in there and abuse her now seven
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: to eleven. Whoever owns that venue should be doing more
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: to protect her, surely.
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: Of course, And we're talking to authorities, police, industry representatives.
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: The conversation is always the same, what does need to
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: be done to give greater safety and a sense of
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: safety to those people working in retail. People shouldn't have
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: to go to work feeling unsafe.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: That particular worker at seven.
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: Eleven obviously does, and it shouldn't have to her or
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: to anyone else. But on the positive front, we are
• 34:04
  Speaker 11: working with the Australian Retail Council, that's the peak body
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: for employers in our industry.
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: We're on a.
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: Unity ticket on this in terms of trying to do
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: whatever is needed to ensure that retail workers are safe.
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: We're talking to governments. We've done joint activities in a
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: heap of jurisdictions to get better penalties in place, and
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: by better I mean higher penalties that will actually make
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: people think twice about abusing or attacking a shop assistant.
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: We've also got in place workplace protection orders in the Act.
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: In South Australia they call them barring orders. In Western Australia.
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: But they're really effective tools. The data we're getting back
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: from the ACT, we're seeing that we've uncovered it's about
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: ten percent of perpetrators actually cause sixty percent of the incidents.
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: So if you can get them out of the premises,
• 34:59
  Speaker 11: you actually will see instances.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Takes a real dive.
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: One store in a major supermarket chain has seen a
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: ninety percent reduction in incidents and that's what we need
• 35:10
  Speaker 11: to do as an industry. But we also need the
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: Australian public to get on board and treat retail workers
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: with the respect that they deserve. And unfortunately there's too
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: many people out there that think abusing a retail worker
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: is okay, that stealing from a retail outlet is okay,
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: and quite frankly, neither of them should be tolerated.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we heard this week that Cole's is shutting down.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: It's Cole's store which is in Elizabeth Street in the CBD.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Is Melbourne an outlier in this, jaredy, Is Melbourne worse
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: than anywhere else? Or is this nationwide problem?
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: It is a nationwide problem.
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: The figures aren't good anywhere, but the statistics speak for themselves.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Victoria is a hotspot and Melbourne in particular.
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: And again our Victorian branch has been engaging with government,
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: engaging with authorities, police and also with the Australian Retail
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: Council representatives there. We're all trying to get a better outcome.
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: But yes, Victoria is a real hot spot, a real challenge.
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  Speaker 2: Jo Dwi, thanks for joining us, appreciate it very much.
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  Speaker 2: Now coming up next cartoons up the week with our
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: favorite cartoonist Mark Knight. Up Up to the Break, Welcome
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  Speaker 2: back our panel coming up shortly. This Union pushed to
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  Speaker 2: kill off the Australian flag, basically take the Union jack
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  Speaker 2: out of the corner. Absolutely disgraceful, but now to much happier.
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  Speaker 2: It matters what's been making news, how it's been depicted
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  Speaker 2: in cartoons with the best man in the business, Heroldsun
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  Speaker 2: cartoonist Mark Knight.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: All is great to see to you. Not much for
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  Speaker 2: you to draw about and there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 2: things going on.
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  Speaker 8: I'm totally dead out there, mate.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with and I love this Pauline and Gina
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  Speaker 2: oh in sis in Tarmina where I was last year. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you couldn't help yourself. I can'tus had to be in
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  Speaker 2: the look at that.
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  Speaker 6: I love Cis, I love Italy and it was a
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  Speaker 6: chance to draw this, this great place and two great
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  Speaker 6: Australian characters sitting by the pool.
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  Speaker 8: The drinks are being served.
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  Speaker 6: And I think you know who would, as the cartoon says,
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  Speaker 6: who would begrudge Pauline to have a little, a little
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  Speaker 6: holiday before she comes back and takes on running the nation.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure about the bloke walking in
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  Speaker 2: the pool cocktail. I thought they were a bit unfair
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  Speaker 2: some of the newspapers about Gina being there and showing
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  Speaker 2: pictures of her in the pool. The cartoon really works.
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  Speaker 2: Another good one of the Victorian Premier this week, illustrating
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  Speaker 2: her close ties. She got close eyes with the union
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  Speaker 2: mom and as she just said her Allen.
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  Speaker 6: So maybe I'm being a bit unfair, but I'd like
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  Speaker 6: to portray her now because of her you know, past
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  Speaker 6: or present relationships with unions and particularly the CEAFU and
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  Speaker 6: the big build in Victoria, which which I call the
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: Big Bill.
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  Speaker 8: I draw her with these arms.
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  Speaker 6: She's got these, Johnny said, there's a lot of sector
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  Speaker 6: there and of course now we know that the Victorian Parliament.
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  Speaker 6: Parliament is a Union controlled site, so if you don't have.
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  Speaker 3: A ticket, you don't get in there.
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  Speaker 2: One for you for next week by the way, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: did you know that the Victorian Parliament goes back.
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  Speaker 1: On Monday for four days?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. That's it until the election. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: at the end of November.
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  Speaker 8: Obviously they've had a good union, those parliamentarians.
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  Speaker 2: I might have a you might have another to one
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  Speaker 2: or two Allen depictions during the week. I've got a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a tip that that Cinder Allen might not
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  Speaker 2: be with us for much longer.
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  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 8: I don't want a loser.
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  Speaker 1: I know you do it?
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  Speaker 3: Come on?
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  Speaker 2: What about the Pan the Bird, Pam the Bird.
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  Speaker 6: Well, look, you know Melbourne is graffiti, right, yeah, Melbourne
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  Speaker 6: is known for its art and Pa the Bird is
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  Speaker 6: this is this?
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  Speaker 8: We're not running Pan the Bird. Actually we've gone.
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  Speaker 2: To straight to the calm Games. Yeah, here we are.
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  Speaker 2: We're in a bar in Glasgow. Presumably. No, here's Pan
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  Speaker 2: the Bird's coming back? Apparently, Oh this she is, She's back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Well, you know, people around Australia have probably seen at
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  Speaker 8: the top of the faulty bridge, very high.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know how he did it, but he's graffeited
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  Speaker 6: Pammed the Birden And it's this cute cartoon character which
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: is on road signs all over Melbourne, just everywhere, in
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: the most hell yeah, in the most unlikely locations. Anyway,
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  Speaker 6: they're scrubbing it off sadly. But on the same day
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  Speaker 6: they started scrubbing.
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  Speaker 2: Do you rate the illustrator of Pam the Boo.
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  Speaker 8: I love it's graphics, simplicity.
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  Speaker 2: It's go to Glasgow that one you had up? We
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: just add up there you think, plenty of Scots happy
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  Speaker 2: to toast our leaders. So there we are in the
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  Speaker 2: front bar in Glasgow. What pictures have we got up
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  Speaker 2: on the wall.
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  Speaker 3: Of course they're going.
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  Speaker 8: To have just Center and Dan up there.
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  Speaker 6: These are the two politicians that have paid for the
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  Speaker 6: Glasgow Games.
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  Speaker 9: They're going to be.
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  Speaker 6: Toasting them with Mick Huans or a pint of Yeah
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  Speaker 6: or a pint of Guinness.
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  Speaker 3: They are.
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  Speaker 6: And as the cartoon says, if an election were held
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  Speaker 6: in Glasgow tomorrow, you know Dan might be premier.
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  Speaker 2: You were sitting watching ABC the other night and suddenly
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  Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce appeared on the television screen and then suddenly
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  Speaker 2: his dog appeared. You would have been in cartooning heaven.
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  Speaker 8: I was watching it live.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought, what is going on here?
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  Speaker 8: What the dog's bark Barnaby's barking down.
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  Speaker 3: Scare their underie.
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  Speaker 6: I thought, well, you know, I did a cartoon about it,
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: and I thought, well, what what what? What might the
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: dog be barking at? And well, Pauline's just come back.
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  Speaker 2: From her You've managed to conflate movie Pauline from Overseas, Barnaby.
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  Speaker 1: And the dog.
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  Speaker 2: It was a huge odyssey when you put your hand
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  Speaker 2: on you when you first saw him go shut down?
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  Speaker 3: What did you think?
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  Speaker 8: I didn't know whether he was talking to Pauline, his wife,
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  Speaker 8: or the dog or.
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  Speaker 2: Now you've been very quickly. You've managed to whip up
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  Speaker 2: one for my column. I've written a column in the
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  Speaker 2: Herald's Son and in the It's in the Daily Telegraph
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  Speaker 2: Town as well. Sticking up for Dave Hughes, the comedian.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: He's hopping it from people because he's been venting on
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  Speaker 2: social media about how he hates the Victorian state government
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: and the federal government exactly. So we've got Albow doing
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: stand up.
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  Speaker 8: He's very angry at Elbow.
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  Speaker 6: And this is why, I think, because when Elbow gets
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: on stage and tells them about how he didn't actually
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: broke his promise, break his promise to raise taxes on
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: couple gains, he was just changing his position.
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  Speaker 8: And of course everybody's laughing hilarioly this.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And they've all piled on Paul Hughsey, even all the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: other comedians have given him.
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  Speaker 1: That I have.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, look, hang tough, Hughsy.
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  Speaker 2: Great tough, great cartoon.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks for my column. I'll see you in
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  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the breaker wrap of the week in
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: news with our Friday night panel. That's next, Welcome back,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Rowandine coming up after us now. One of the most
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: polarizing stories I think of the week was involved the
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Australian Manufacturers Facturing Workers' Union calling for the union jack
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: to be stripped from the Australian flag. I mean, I'm
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: sick and tired of these debates about the Australian flag.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, we have it all the time. I presume
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: they've announced this just to stir up the conference over
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  Speaker 2: there in Adelaide, which does need some stirring up. Joining
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  Speaker 2: us now Skeyne has contributed. Joe Hildebrand and Executive director
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: of the Samuel Griffith Society, Mia Schlid, Welcome to you both.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Can I talk flag MEA. Why do we keep having
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: this bloody debate? I mean, I don't see people running
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: around in the street tugging my shirt saying let's change
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  Speaker 2: the flag.
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  Speaker 12: No, Steve, it's completely out of touch. In fact, if
• 42:53
  Speaker 12: you ask the majority of Australians how they feel about
• 42:56
  Speaker 12: our flag, well, the Institute of Public Affairs they did
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: and their polling can back and found that an overwhelming majority,
• 43:02
  Speaker 12: in fact, over seventy percent of Australians back our national
• 43:05
  Speaker 12: flag and believe that it is our most unifying symbol.
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: So this is really a tie debate by the elites
• 43:12
  Speaker 12: that doesn't resonate with mainstream Australians. But I think the
• 43:15
  Speaker 12: most concerning aspect of this story is the Albanese government's
• 43:19
  Speaker 12: response to this question. I mean Housing Minister Clara O'Neil
• 43:23
  Speaker 12: was asked a number of times about whether she backed
• 43:26
  Speaker 12: the Australian flag and she couldn't answer. And the fact
• 43:28
  Speaker 12: that this Australian government can't answer as to whether they
• 43:32
  Speaker 12: support the Australian flag or not speaks volumes and I
• 43:35
  Speaker 12: think the fact that she couldn't either agree or refute
• 43:38
  Speaker 12: this proposal just shows how under the thumb the Labor
• 43:42
  Speaker 12: government is with the unions, and how it's really the
• 43:45
  Speaker 12: unions who are behind the wheel of this labor government.
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  Speaker 2: Joe I think she has some clarin and who has
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: some connection to that union, So probably that's why she
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: didn't want to dip a toe into the water. You're
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: a raging Republican. What's your flag status?
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  Speaker 3: Look?
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  Speaker 13: Just to defend Clara O'Neills on it, I think she
• 44:03
  Speaker 13: is linked to the Australian Workers Union, not the Australian
• 44:06
  Speaker 13: Manufacturing Workers Union, which I know for those outside politics
• 44:09
  Speaker 13: sound like the same thing. But this is a story
• 44:12
  Speaker 13: of a left wing union going completely rogue, trying to
• 44:16
  Speaker 13: effectively hijack and I would even say sabotage the Labor
• 44:20
  Speaker 13: National Conference to sabotage its own government. I mean Anthony
• 44:24
  Speaker 13: Albertin he is trying to sort of chart a center course,
• 44:27
  Speaker 13: which I know a lot of viewers would find difficult
• 44:29
  Speaker 13: to believe, but he's trying to move away from the
• 44:31
  Speaker 13: left faction that he basically runs or runs most of
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: the time, and you get this absolutely ridiculous motion at
• 44:38
  Speaker 13: a time when you've got more blue collar workers than
• 44:42
  Speaker 13: at any point in history, going to one nation, the
• 44:45
  Speaker 13: most nationalistic pro Australian flag waving party of all time.
• 44:52
  Speaker 13: They are now the number one party of choice for
• 44:54
  Speaker 13: blue collar workers who are leaving the Labor Party for
• 44:58
  Speaker 13: Pauline Hanson. You've got a union which is supposed to
• 45:02
  Speaker 13: be a blue collar union, banging on about stupid stuff
• 45:07
  Speaker 13: like this in the middle of a cost of living
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  Speaker 13: crisis and in the lead up to a national conference
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: which frankly needs to go well to get the government
• 45:16
  Speaker 13: back to something resembling on track. So I actually see
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  Speaker 13: this as the most monument either the most monumentally stupid
• 45:24
  Speaker 13: thing that has ever any union has ever done in
• 45:27
  Speaker 13: the history of the union movement, or even worse.
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: Some good that's a huge one.
• 45:34
  Speaker 13: But this is this is the Labor Party is losing
• 45:36
  Speaker 13: labor voters, It is losing its labor block, and then
• 45:39
  Speaker 13: you have a union which is meant to be keeping
• 45:41
  Speaker 13: them there while hemorrhaging members itself, coming up with absolute
• 45:45
  Speaker 13: bollock stuff like this, right at the moment where the
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: working class is moving over to one nation. I mean,
• 45:51
  Speaker 13: this is an act of absolute treachery. It is a disgraceful, despicable,
• 45:57
  Speaker 13: stupid and so unspeakably. Don't kind of find the level
• 46:02
  Speaker 13: of idiocy required to describe how dumb it is?
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  Speaker 2: Mea, we wouldn't have picked that. I don't think. I
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: want to talk to you, miir about the rumblings around
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the premiership of Jacinda Allen. They get louder and louder
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: by the minute. I've had some people speaking to me
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: late this afternoon that suggests that next week, which is
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the last four days of sitting, can you believe it?
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Between now and the election at the end of November,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: they're only going to have Parliament back for one week.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Suggestion that she will face a challenge or if not,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: she'll be convinced to step down, and it might happen
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: as soon as Monday or Tuesday.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Well, we'll have to.
• 46:43
  Speaker 12: Wait and see, Steve. I mean, this isn't the first
• 46:44
  Speaker 12: time these rumors have surfast that Jacinta Allen might be
• 46:47
  Speaker 12: in some trouble. But I think at the end of
• 46:49
  Speaker 12: the day, we're going to have to wait and see
• 46:51
  Speaker 12: what Daniel Andrews has to say. Because we all know
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: that he makes a final call in the Victorian Labor Party.
• 46:56
  Speaker 12: We haven't heard him speak out yet, but certainly let's
• 46:59
  Speaker 12: wait and see what he has to say and then
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: we'll be able to see.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Joe.
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  Speaker 2: If it doesn't happen, we'll erase this completely from the tape.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: And well, I've never said what I just said five
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: minutes ago, but it looks like she's in a.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Bit of trouble.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 47:13
  Speaker 13: I think her position is completely untenable. It's been untenable
• 47:16
  Speaker 13: for a long time. The only reason she's still there
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: is because Ben Carroll is, if anything, too much of
• 47:21
  Speaker 13: a gentleman and refuse to actually move against her. I
• 47:26
  Speaker 13: think she will have to be persuaded to stand down,
• 47:28
  Speaker 13: or he will be persuaded to challenge her, even though
• 47:32
  Speaker 13: we only ruled out doing so a couple of months ago.
• 47:35
  Speaker 13: From what I can gather, from what I understand, the numbers.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Are already there to roll her. So she's already on
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: borrow time.
• 47:43
  Speaker 13: And it would be again an insane decision. As we've heard,
• 47:46
  Speaker 13: the Labour Party is very good at self harm, but
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: it would be an act of catastrophic self harm to
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: go to the poll with her still as premiere.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Joe, any appetite for enthusiasm of the Commonwealth Games.
• 47:58
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I've got a soft spot for the Commonwealth Games.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I have to say.
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: I remember Deeks winning the gold in Brisbane in eighty two.
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: And of course, not to trigger anybody while we're talking
• 48:07
  Speaker 13: about the flag, but Kathy Freeman draping the Australian an
• 48:10
  Speaker 13: Aboriginal flag over her shoulders as she won the four
• 48:15
  Speaker 13: hundred meters in Melbourne in ninety four. So I think
• 48:19
  Speaker 13: there's something nice about the Commonwealth Games. There's something kind
• 48:21
  Speaker 13: of I don't know, it's sort of antimate word.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: That's the word nice and intimate. Good on you both,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you me, Thank you Joe. That's it for me.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, as I said. There are rumblings about the
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: future of the premiere of Victoria Ja Cinda Allen. We'll
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: have to wait and see, but there are some reports
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: that she may face a challenge or decide to step
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: down next week. Rowandine's up next.