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337. Finding The Joy: 2X Olympian Elise Cranny Talks Working On Her Relationship With Running, Who's at Her 'Table,' & The Importance Of Trusting Your Gut · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: I think it's easy to get caught up in Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm setting this goal because I think it's what I
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  Speaker 1: want to do about maybe it's what I think is
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  Speaker 1: expected of me, And so I really like to sit
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  Speaker 1: down and say, why is this important to me?
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  Speaker 2: Why do I want a toe miss a goal? What's
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  Speaker 2: going to keep me coming back? What's going on? Everyone?
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  Speaker 3: Emily A body Here. You are listening to episode three
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  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty seven. Wow That Never gets old of Hurdle,
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  Speaker 3: a wellness focused podcast where I talk to inspirational people
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  Speaker 3: about everything from their highest tides and.
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  Speaker 2: Toughest moments to essential tips on.
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  Speaker 3: How to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life. We
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  Speaker 3: all go through our fair share of hurdles. My goal
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  Speaker 3: through these discussions is to empower you to better navigate
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  Speaker 3: yours and move with intention so that you could stride
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  Speaker 3: towards your own big potential and of course have some
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  Speaker 3: fun along the way. For episode three thirty seven, I
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  Speaker 3: am sitting down with Elise Cranny. She's a two time
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  Speaker 3: Olympian and pro runner for Nike, and we are diving
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  Speaker 3: on in today. She's talking to me about what it
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  Speaker 3: was like to show up and compete at her second
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  Speaker 3: games in Paris this summer, and the hurdles that she
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  Speaker 3: braved on the road to the Olympic Games.
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  Speaker 2: From changing coaches multiple.
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  Speaker 3: Times beforehand to a pretty big move and navigating some
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  Speaker 3: unexpected injuries. She also gets so vulnerable with me talking
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  Speaker 3: about how those challenges truly impacted her. Plus, we do
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  Speaker 3: a fun exercise with I am statements and she opens
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  Speaker 3: up about how focusing on the joy of her sport
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  Speaker 3: really changed the game for her. I really appreciate Alease's curiosity.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's super admirable and that curiosity and power
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  Speaker 3: her to not only wonder about what the limits are
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  Speaker 3: of her own potential, but then put in the work
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  Speaker 3: and go and seek that. As the current American indoor
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  Speaker 3: record holder of the five k A last definitely knows
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  Speaker 3: how to pick up the pace. Thankfully, she wasn't doing
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  Speaker 3: that on the run that we went on. Right before
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  Speaker 3: we sat down to have this conversation. We chat about
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  Speaker 3: that at the beginning of this episode. A huge, huge
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five with a special Turning the Page series.
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  Speaker 3: to it. Let's get it's a hurdling. Today, I am
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  Speaker 3: sitting down with Elise Cranny. She is a two time
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  Speaker 3: Olympian pro runner for Nike. How are we doing today, Elese?
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  Speaker 2: Great, I'm so excited to be on the Hurdle Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I'm so excited that you were excited
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  Speaker 2: to be on the Hurdle podcast and I was trying
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  Speaker 2: to think about this.
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  Speaker 3: This is the first time that I have sat down
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  Speaker 3: to podcast immediately after running with someone.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, what joy. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like when I met you
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  Speaker 1: just a little over a month ago, and now I've
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  Speaker 1: like we're getting to do all the runs, all the
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  Speaker 1: things together.
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  Speaker 2: It's great. Guys.
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  Speaker 3: Please meet my new best friend. Her name is Elise Curney.
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  Speaker 3: She's an extraordinary human. We just went on a run
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  Speaker 3: around Ladybird Lake in Austin. What a true treat both
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  Speaker 3: to be here right now, but also I'm still wearing them,
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  Speaker 3: these Voomeros.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think of the
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  Speaker 2: new Vmero eighteen we want?
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  Speaker 3: I also, okay, before I tell you what I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I learned today what the Vomero was
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  Speaker 3: designed by someone who named it the Vomero because they
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  Speaker 3: went on a vacation to Vomero, Italy and wanted to
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  Speaker 3: create a sneaker. I'm not even quoting this, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: even reading this self with something that quote unquote it.
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  Speaker 2: Felt like a vacation.
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  Speaker 1: I also learned that today and I have been I
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  Speaker 1: have loved Vomero's I don't know for forever and ever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also learned that for the first time today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's super comfortable and dare I say so
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  Speaker 3: Vermero took a break for a minute. It's back and
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  Speaker 3: for me, I like when I got real into running,
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  Speaker 3: one of my first shoes that I loved running in
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  Speaker 3: was the Romero. So I could not be more excited
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  Speaker 3: that it's back in such a big way. And it's
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  Speaker 3: been a minute since I've put this running sneaker on
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  Speaker 3: my foot, but this new iteration like feels even better
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  Speaker 3: than what I remember.
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  Speaker 2: What did you do? You remember which version you were?
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  Speaker 3: I think it was like literally maybe the fourteen. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: it's been it's been a minute. I was gonna say
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  Speaker 3: the thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: I was obsessed with the thirteen for years, to the
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  Speaker 1: point where I was still trying to find that you
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  Speaker 1: would like.
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  Speaker 2: That for a while. I totally understand.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this feels super comfortable. It feels very stable, which
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  Speaker 3: I like, but also super plush. I think that oftentimes
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  Speaker 3: with what we're seeing in this new evolution of like
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  Speaker 3: high cushion shoes, that sometimes the plush makes you feel
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  Speaker 3: a little unstable.
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  Speaker 2: A little, a little wobbly.
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  Speaker 3: This feels like the perfect Goldilocks combination of both for me.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, I love it. That's a great, great analogy here,
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  Speaker 2: am I am?
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  Speaker 3: But yes, it's not every day that I get to
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  Speaker 3: start my day with a run with an Olympia.
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  Speaker 2: Straight into a podcast, straight into a podcast.
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  Speaker 3: If I was on a date and someone asked me
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  Speaker 3: what's your perfect day, I'd say, well, I'd wake up
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  Speaker 3: in Austin, I'd go for a run around Ladybird Lake
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  Speaker 3: with Alise Cranny, and then I'd sit down and get
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  Speaker 3: to do my job.
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  Speaker 2: You'd have some coffee, you need, some new people, market
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  Speaker 2: you want.
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  Speaker 3: And for those that don't know much about you, they
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  Speaker 3: will by the end of this podcast. But you're a
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  Speaker 3: middle and long distance runner, so you are often leaning
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  Speaker 3: into a lot of these shoes as like a workhorse shoe,
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  Speaker 3: a sneaker that you can put on and go out
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  Speaker 3: and do a lot of miles in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's definitely what I look for, especially
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  Speaker 1: since turning pro just with increasing volume in mileage quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit. It's like you want a shoe where you're
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  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like your feet are.
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  Speaker 2: Slapping the ground.
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  Speaker 1: You want to be able to like really stay healthy
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  Speaker 1: and come back day after day.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a really good point too, right,
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  Speaker 3: that idea of a shoe that has something underfoot so
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  Speaker 3: that it really gives you some support and that your
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  Speaker 3: joints have something to be a little snugly with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I was just talking to someone on the Shakeout Run
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  Speaker 1: that just did their first marathon and they were a sprinter,
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  Speaker 1: and they said the biggest thing about the marathon was
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  Speaker 1: just like joints aching, And I feel like that's what's
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  Speaker 1: so cool about this new footwear and where it's going
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  Speaker 1: is just I think really helping people recover and.
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  Speaker 2: Stay much healthier important.
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  Speaker 3: And it's so interesting to me about your story as well,
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  Speaker 3: which we'll get into, is that you had your eyes
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  Speaker 3: on being a pro runner for a really long time.
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  Speaker 3: You went into college and thought to yourself, I want
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  Speaker 3: to do this when I'm done here, which you don't
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  Speaker 3: hear often. Would you say, I know that both of
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  Speaker 3: your parents competed in triathlon. Do you think that that
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  Speaker 3: modeled behavior was a big part of the reason why
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  Speaker 3: you knew you wanted to be a pro for so long?
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  Speaker 2: For sure?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And It's funny thinking back of like how I
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  Speaker 1: got into running, because I think it was so much
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  Speaker 1: just through my parents doing triathlon. I think I grew
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  Speaker 1: up swimming to and it was just the world of
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  Speaker 1: endurance sports just seemed so embedded and in my DNA
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  Speaker 1: and just what I was around growing up.
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  Speaker 3: Despite being around it, What were your first impressions of it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, that's such a good question.
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  Speaker 1: I remember going to my parents did a few different
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  Speaker 1: iron Man's and I remember, I guess the part that
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  Speaker 1: sticks out is I would go back with my grandpa
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  Speaker 1: because the cutoff would be at midnight, so we'd go
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  Speaker 1: back from like nine to midnight and watch people finish
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  Speaker 1: that had been out there for you know, fifteen, sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: seventeen hours. So I think being exposed to just extreme
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  Speaker 1: endurance like that at a young age. But again, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you talk about just the sport or running community,
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  Speaker 1: seeing people of all ages and backgrounds finishing having been
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  Speaker 1: out there for an insane amount of hours, it was
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  Speaker 1: so inspiring and there's so many different stories and reasons
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  Speaker 1: why people do you know, these insane feats just like
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  Speaker 1: marathon running or ultras or anything like.
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  Speaker 3: That, or anything like that finding your why has been
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  Speaker 3: really important to you specifically over the last few years.
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  Speaker 3: When you think about your relationship with running and what
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  Speaker 3: your why is, where does that take you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, even in the last couple of weeks, I've thought about,
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  Speaker 1: like really thinking about your relationship to running, and it
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  Speaker 1: is such a relationship and it is you know, ups
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  Speaker 1: and downs, just like you would in you know, a
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  Speaker 1: romantic relationship or a friendship.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the piece.
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  Speaker 1: I think thinking about it as a relationship has given
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  Speaker 1: me a lot of purpose, just like the things that
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  Speaker 1: you learn and the ways that you grow throughout it,
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  Speaker 1: just as you.
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  Speaker 2: Would in a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, my why is what keeps
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  Speaker 1: me coming back is just curiosity to see what I
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  Speaker 1: can do. And I think that's what's so cool about
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  Speaker 1: the running world and getting to compete and line up
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  Speaker 1: against the best in the world. Is just what can
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  Speaker 1: these people help bring out of myself? And how can I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, break down barriers or limits that maybe I
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  Speaker 1: once had on myself, whether that be you know, physically, emotionally, mentally.
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  Speaker 1: I think running is you know, I'm sure you know
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  Speaker 1: this very well from all your marathons, but it's just
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  Speaker 1: like in each build or each race or different times
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  Speaker 1: of the year. It's like you're always learning something new,
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  Speaker 1: You're always learning about yourself. You're always you know, testing yourself,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I think that's a big part of
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  Speaker 1: my why is just really see what you're made of
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  Speaker 1: and being forced to rise to the occasion and grow
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  Speaker 1: in different ways and if something's not working, like being
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  Speaker 1: willing to make changes and try to figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: It's running is very much, you know, like a puzzle.
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  Speaker 1: We're kind of trying to adjust all the different dials
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  Speaker 1: and all the different pieces to figure out what situation
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  Speaker 1: makes you happiest and most alive and then what leads
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  Speaker 1: you to be able to run at.
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  Speaker 2: Your ultimate best. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's it's really beautiful to hear you talk about
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  Speaker 3: your why, especially knowing that you have had a really
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  Speaker 3: difficult year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to start this part of our conversation
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  Speaker 3: by saying, thank you for being honest about your difficult year.
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  Speaker 3: Someone sees something like, oh, Elisa's the five K American
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  Speaker 3: record holder on the indoor, and they're like, oh, she
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  Speaker 3: must be doing great. But you've been so honest about
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  Speaker 3: the fact that there have been so many difficult facets
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  Speaker 3: of the past three sixty five for you.
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  Speaker 2: How are you feeling now? Yeah, honestly, so much better.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I appreciate you saying that because I
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  Speaker 1: think a big part of, like I guess, working through
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  Speaker 1: and working on my relationship with running was kind of
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  Speaker 1: acknowledging the fact that you can do this as a
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  Speaker 1: profession and you can love it, but there can still
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  Speaker 1: be really challenging days and days that you're not motivated
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  Speaker 1: or days that you're questioning if you want to do
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  Speaker 1: it or not. And I think for a while I
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  Speaker 1: shied away from that. I think, just going through different
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  Speaker 1: periods of like injuries or overtraining, I was like, you're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to love it every single day. This is what
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  Speaker 1: you do. And I honestly think over the last year
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  Speaker 1: coming to terms with the fact that it's okay, and
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  Speaker 1: there are times where it's like I need to work
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  Speaker 1: on my relationship with the sport or I need to
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  Speaker 1: approach it a different way, and I think that's been.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to do.
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  Speaker 1: But like being honest with yourself and then being willing
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  Speaker 1: to share that, I think and hearing that you know
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  Speaker 1: from a lot of other people too, is just like Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you don't enjoy it every single day, even though it's
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  Speaker 1: something that you love and you know you're passionate about It's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are hard times.
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  Speaker 3: For someone who may not be up to speed with
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  Speaker 3: what's been going on with you for the past year.
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  Speaker 3: Why don't you give us a little bit of an
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  Speaker 3: insight as to where the journey's taking you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see.
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  Speaker 1: So I joined Barerman and Nike and twenty nineteen, and
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  Speaker 1: I was with the same group for about five years,
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  Speaker 1: a little less than five years, and then decided to
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  Speaker 1: make a big move back to Boulder last fall. Joined
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  Speaker 1: a different group, team boss for a couple months, which
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  Speaker 1: was great, but just like really needed to I love
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  Speaker 1: I've always loved being part of a team, love being
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  Speaker 1: part of a group, but realized I kind of just
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  Speaker 1: need to take a step back from the group environment
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  Speaker 1: and really again not to sound like a broken record,
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  Speaker 1: but work on my relationship with running kind of approach
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  Speaker 1: it in a different way. So yeah, before the Olympic
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  Speaker 1: trials in June, made two different coaching changes within six
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  Speaker 1: or seven months. So that was definitely and made a
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  Speaker 1: move and so just a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 1: kind of chaos and change and growth which has been
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  Speaker 1: really good looking back, but definitely was hard. It made
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  Speaker 1: my most recent coaching change in March, which has been incredible,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it was definitely hit the ground running with
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  Speaker 1: a new coach in March before the June Olympic trials,
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  Speaker 1: and then had a stress reaction in May, which is really.
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  Speaker 2: Not ideal timing.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I just feel like all of those things,
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  Speaker 1: it was a really transformative year. Even though it was hard,
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  Speaker 1: it was very like, very transformative.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so impressive to think about what you were
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  Speaker 3: able to do despite dealing with so much challenge. And
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  Speaker 3: I hope that you really hear me when I say that,
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  Speaker 3: because I know that fast forward to the Olympics. Eleventh
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  Speaker 3: on the track in the five K, not what you
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  Speaker 3: were aiming for. Yeah, but think about what you just
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  Speaker 3: told us, right, what you just told me sitting in
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  Speaker 3: this room. The fact that you moved, changed, changed coaches
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  Speaker 3: twice and showed up and did that is remarkable.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really that doesn't but that doesn't make it. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't make it easier to hear right, because it's not
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  Speaker 3: what you were after. So let's dial it back to
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  Speaker 3: when some of these changes started happening, and what was
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  Speaker 3: going through your mind at this point when you were
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  Speaker 3: in this period of transition. How did you find stability
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  Speaker 3: for yourself despite so many things being in flocks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question, man. I think the the
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  Speaker 1: biggest thing was moving back to Colorado. That's where my
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  Speaker 1: family is, and I think that was a huge, huge piece,
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  Speaker 1: like just the support and being in a place where
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  Speaker 1: you really feel safe and understood, you know, within running,
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  Speaker 1: but most importantly just as a person outside of running,
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  Speaker 1: And I think that was really important for me.
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  Speaker 2: And then I also.
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  Speaker 1: Think that's what's so special about running is having that
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  Speaker 1: constant even if you know I wasn't working out, or
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't running with people or whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 1: Is just like waking up and having that routine of
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  Speaker 1: going for a run every day. There is stability in that,
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  Speaker 1: even you know whether or not it is your job.
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  Speaker 1: I think I still like waking up and being like
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  Speaker 1: I get to run outside in Colorado on some of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite trails, and I think, you know, again, being
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  Speaker 1: back in Colorado kind of was a full circle moment.
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't been back living there in over ten years
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  Speaker 1: since I graduated high school, and I think that was
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  Speaker 1: a really grounding experience too, to be back like working
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  Speaker 1: out on my high school track and run on the
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  Speaker 1: trails where I really got my start in running. And
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  Speaker 1: I think there was something, you know, really refreshing about
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  Speaker 1: that and kind of brings you back and I think
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  Speaker 1: just makes you reflect a little bit more on the journey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of like you said, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: really easy when you're in it to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't accomplish what I wanted at this Olympics or
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  Speaker 1: whatever it may be. But when I look back to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ten years ago of like sophomore junior Elise
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  Speaker 1: in high school, I had these aspirations and wanted to
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  Speaker 1: make Olympic teams. But then to be like, wow, I'm
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: actually doing it and I'm running for Nike and I'm
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: able to travel the world doing what I love. It's
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: that kind of is really grounding and brings you back to.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that perspective, And I've heard you say I get too,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: And that's a chosen mindset, right. It's you saying I'm
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: not going to focus on the things that aren't as
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: I hope that they would be.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: You are literally in this place where you are.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Living out the saying that's remember when you wanted exactly
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: what you have right now? Yeah, And it's challenging, right
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: because it is really easy to fall into that victim mindset.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: We all go there. But it's then asking yourself what's
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: within my power right now? What can I do with
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: what I have? And choosing to do the best you
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: can with what you have. For someone who might be
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: listening to this right now and feels like they're constantly
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: in this victim pattern, aside from this sense of gratitude,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: that is clearly very important for you. Are there any
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: other tips, tools, things that you channel when you're feeling
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: a little bit down.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: A big thing for me is making kind of the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: time and space, whether that be journaling or whatever works
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: for you. I think for a long time, until the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: last couple of years, that was me like stay busy,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: plow ahead. And then I feel like it hits you
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: at times when you don't. You're like I'm fine, I'm fine,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I'm fine, And then you know, whether that be even
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: during like for me, it would happen sometimes during a
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: race or a workout. It's like those times and when
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: you really need to dig deep and try to go,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: you know, to a dark place.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Is if there's stuff.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: That you haven't dealt with, whether that be with your
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: relationship with running or just you know, anything that's going
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: on in your life outside of running. I think that
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: was definitely something that I would do and then you
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: would be like.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I'm fine, and then it hits.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: And so I think for me is just kind of
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: on a regular basis journaling or even if you're just
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: you know, do a solo run every once in a while,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: and you're really giving yourself that like space and time
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: to think through it and to practice that gratitude. I
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: also think a big piece for me is it's so
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: hard but just not comparing. And someone said something the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: other day that was so helpful to me when you
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: talk about, you know, your relationship to running. They were like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: everyone's relationship with running is different, and I think it's
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the same thing. As again, not to keep comparing it
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to a romantic relationship, but it's so easy to compare
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: even to other people's romantic relationships or their dating life.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, in some ways that's very
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: similar to running. You can be like, oh, I'm jealous
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: of this person's relationship with running or the things that
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: they've accomplished, or maybe they're finding a lot of joy
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and motivation and you're going through a period of, you know,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: struggling with motivation, and so I think just owning kind
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: of sounds cliche, but owning like the journey and where
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: you are right now with your relationship with running, instead
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: of forcing to kind of change it. I think I
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: think acceptance is a big piece of that too, because
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's something yeah that I was just like,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I want to have that motivation and that love for
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the sport again, and I would look at other people
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and be like, how do they have that?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: But forcing it and comparing doesn't help.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: You get there, No, it doesn't in comparison being the
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: thief of joy. And when you said stay busy, plow ahead,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: that was like an entire mindset chapter for me for
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: probably god like a bulk of my late twenties to
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: early thirties. And when I finally enabled and allowed myself
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: to slow down, was it uncomfortable? Yes, it was hella uncomfortable.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: But it was during a time when so many of
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: us were forced to slow down during the pandemic, and
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: so as challengelenging as it was to sit with myself
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: and feel my feelings and learn what all of that meant.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: It was like, oh, now look at what I've opened up. Yeah,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: because I allowed myself to feel the things that I
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: was ignoring before. Now look what happens when I get
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: comfortable with this uncomfortable doors start to open and alignment
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: starts to happen. And the things that didn't feel so
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: hard before because I was so busy ignoring, they don't
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: feel so hard.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And that's so impressive.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Now, speaking of hard things, and you mentioned the word
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: injury a little bit earlier, I'm going to go there
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: because I know that at the beginning of twenty twenty
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: you were coming back from something real difficult. Talk to
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: me about the comeback, Talk to us about how that
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: impacted you mentally and the journey back from there.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, coming back from injury or any sort of setback
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: gives you such an appreciation for running. But it's so
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: hard to It's just such a different mindset in a way.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And I think, I mean, I got injured at the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: beginning of twenty twenty, before the pandemic, before the Olympics
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: have been postponed and so I think for me in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: that moment, there was a lot of stress at first
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of like, oh my gosh, this is an Olympic year,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: this is my you know, starting my second year as
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: a pro, and I'm injured during what is a really
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: crucial time and the Olympics ended up being postponed. But
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: that was a really good lesson for me in terms
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: of again controlling what you can control. And the timing
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't ideal, but I think that really set me up,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you know, even for this year. Like I said, getting
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: injured six weeks before the trials, I think in some
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: ways it helps you when you've been there before. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I think a really helpful mindset is just really having
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: that faith and trust that you're going to come back stronger.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: That's such a hard thing to really.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Believe, but believing that you know there is something good
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: to come out of it. Sometimes a little extra rest
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: or doing some cross training or doing something different, or
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a space and time for something else in your life
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: for a little bit can be like really reinvigorating, and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I think gives you. I feel like through all my
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: comeback comebacks from like injuries or some overtraining gives me
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: such a refreshed perspective on running too. It really puts
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it into you know, kind of what you were saying earlier.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: When I say I get to do this, it's like
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I get to go for a run. And I think
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: that's a really special power that comes, you know, when
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you're coming back from an injuries. Instead of like, oh,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I have to get out the door today, it's like, well,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: a couple of months ago or a couple of years ago,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: when I was injured, I was I wish more than
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: anything that I could go for a run. So now
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: it's like I'm not going to complain about a double
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: or a run or what the weather's like because I
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: get to go out and run. And I think having
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that mindset is has been really huge for me.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that I get to mindset.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: And it's so impressive also to get to that point
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: where you can kind of wrangle yourself in when you're like, oh,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I don't want to. It can be both, right, you
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: can still not really be in the mood to go
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: do whatever you have to do, sure, but you can
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: have in Okay I don't want to, but I get to.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely both. It's not like, yeah, it is.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you pointed that out because I'm not like
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: popping out of bed every day, like, yeah, I get
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to do this like a lot of days are. But
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: you know, and I think that's the piece too of
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you never regret a run that you go on, Like
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: anytime I finish, even if it was hard to drag
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: yourself out the door or the weather was bad, I'm
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: never like, ah, I wish I didn't do that run.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: It's just you always feel so much, so much better after.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: So much better now.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: You as I said at the top of this two
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: time Olympia, so gearing up for Paris this year, you
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: knew you were going to have a wildly different experience
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: when you got to the Games than you did in Tokyo.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: What was different, Yeah, Oh my gosh, so much. You know.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It's funny to look back on Tokyo because that was
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: my first global team and so that's all that I knew.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: But being in Paris this year, it was crazy to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: look back and think, wow, we ran in a stadium
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: with no people like and it seemed normal at the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: time because that's we're just happy that, you know, there
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: was an Olympics that was being held but I would
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: say the biggest thing was having my family there and
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: that was just so special, and feeling the whole energy
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of the city. I think that was, you know something,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: looking back in Tokyo, it wasn't just in the stadium,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it was the whole you know, we didn't really get
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: to leave the village or see anything else. And being
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: in Paris, it was like you could feel the energy
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: of the entire city around all of the different events,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and even just the energy in the village. I think
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: that's something that I'll always remember, just walking past people
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: from all different countries, all different sports and being in
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: this one place and you know that everyone has Again,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I think I just love the different stories and journeys,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the different paths that people take to get where they are,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and it's so cool to think that everyone in that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: village had a different story, a different way they got
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: into their sport, how it has impacted their life, and
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: just being able to share that.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: It's just it is such.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: A community event, and the Olympics bring so many people together,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: like fans, spectators, athletes, et cetera.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: A community event, but a also communal understanding of what
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: it took to get to that point. And I can
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: only imagine what it's going to be like to be
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: surrounded by so many people who are on the verge
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: of chasing their own potential.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And I want to read something that you wrote.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: You said after your final the focus on the outcome
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: alone caused me to miss a lot of what Jared
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and I have been working on this year. How do
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: we define success? Who are the people sitting around my table?
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Are we embracing vulnerability and the unknown? Focusing on the
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: outcome alone caused you to miss a lot of what
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: you had been working toward.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when you ask about this last year too,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's always easy to just focus on a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: time or a place and to discredit yourself for maybe steps.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: That you've made.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure you know, for you, I'm sure there's
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: marathons where it's like maybe you ran slightly slower, but
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you battled through a lot more, or there was a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: lot more in the build up, or it's not necessarily
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: shown in the outcome. And I think I'm so grateful
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: for my coach Jared for really focus having us focus
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: on that this year of you know, when I started
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: working with him in March, he was like we need
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to think about how we define success outside of an outcome,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and that's just so important. We thought about, Okay, how
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: do you want to race? And that's such a different
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: type of disappointment. I feel like it felt like, Okay,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you're disappointed at first right after the Olympic final, but
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the ability to then be fired up and get momentum
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and move forward was so much better because it was like, well,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I took risks and I race in a way that
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I never have on the global level, and maybe to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: other people that looks like it's about the same place
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: that I've been at a few World Championships or Olympics before.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: But taking that step back, like we've been talking about
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and saying, wow, I've grown a lot as a person
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: an athlete, and that may not be reflected in the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: exact place or time, but being like, I'm doing myself
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a huge disservice to not realize like the steps and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the growth that happen, even if it can't be seen
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: always in the outcome.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Remember when you wanted what you have?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Now that you mentioned the phrase to other people, what's
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: your relationship with that in that? Okay, I just read
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: you an except from a post that two hundred and
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: fifty six people liked what's your relationship with the other
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: people and also how you feel about what you're doing?
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's such a I think that's something that
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I've still been working on. And you know, even when
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: you read that talking about the vulnerability piece to and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: wanting to share that with other people, but also you know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: wanting to still focus on you know, as I said,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the people at my table and the people that are
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: in my corner and.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Who's at the table? Great question? Can you tell me
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: who's at the table one day? Can I be at
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the table? Yes? Who's at the table?
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I would say my parents, my two sisters, a few
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: of my friends, and then Jared, my sports psych You know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: people that you feel like really have your best interests
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: in mind and are a part of that journey. When
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you talk about that, it's like kind of that balance
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: between being vulnerable and wanting to hopefully, you know, help
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: other people by being vulnerable of like what you're going
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: through and running, but also knowing that you know, the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: people that aren't at the table or seeing that whole journey,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: like it's okay if they don't understand or they think
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: you know you didn't perform where they thought you would,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and I think that's something that has definitely been hard
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: for me to work through. But again, just like really
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: leaning on the people that are there the whole time
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and see the ins and outs and the ups and downs.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Things on that.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: The first thing is understanding that there are going to
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: be points in life where people leave the table. Yeah,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: and that is really challenging, right, especially when you want
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: them at the table. But there are going to be
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: points where, because of the growth that you're enduring, because
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: of where you're trying to go, who you want to be,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: that you have to evaluate who's at the table and
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: that's challenging. And then also I love the sentiment of
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: if you're not at the table, this isn't about you.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: That concept of the table is something that I think
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: is so helpful for so many. It's similar to that
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: idea of having your own personal board of directors. It's like,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: who's on the board of directors? Who can I look
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: to in my good times and in my bad times? Right,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: because you can do good times with anyone, but you
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: can't do bad times with everyone. So who's at the table,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: who's on your board of directors and really applying that
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: to how you take feedback as well, because taking feedback
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: from someone that's not at the table, I mean, you
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: might be able to learn something, but you have to
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: remember that they're not inside what's going on.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a good I was just going to
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: say that. My dad used to say when I was
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: in high school. He's like, at least you can't take
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: people are trying to be helpful, and like you said,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: there are things that you can learn. But he's like,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you can't take what everyone says to you at face value.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: You have to, you know, kind of be like, Okay,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: these are the people that know more of the story,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and so their advice I'm going to take a little
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: more seriously. And I think there's a really important process
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: in figuring that out too, of like, Okay, these are
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the people that you know, understand the context in which
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I'm living my life or in what which I'm pursuing
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: these goals or whatever it may be. Yeah, because otherwise
• 30:38
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• 30:40
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  Speaker 3: they don't know your intention. So you just got to
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: like live and let go. You mentioned the word goals.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about goals. You obviously have had
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: this goal to perform on the world stage like this
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: for such a long time, so so certainly something to celebrate.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: You also mentioned at one point that you have a
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: goal of running under two minutes in the eight hundred.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And one day.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: You also want to tow the line for a marathon.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: You've set a lot of crazy goals in your life.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I'm really pulling them out of the woodworks here for you.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bring me back, girl. I am deep in my.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Least crammy like knowledge podcast listening and so with that,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: someone who's listening to this and has their own big, hairy, scary,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: audacious goals, as Shaline would say, what do you do
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: when you set those goals? How do you start to
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: implement them? Do you have a process of working backward?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Talk to me about what your goal setting process looks like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: whether or not these goals have anything to do with
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: your sport.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I really like first setting that big, that big scary
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: outcome goal. Then I like to identify why is this
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: a goal for me? And I think that's really important
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: because I think there have been times where I think
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: it's easy to get caught up and oh, I'm setting
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: this goal because I think it's what I want to do,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: but maybe it's what I think is expected of me,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: And so I really like to sit down and say
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: why is this important to me? Why do I want
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: achieve this goal? What's going to keep me coming back?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: And then I think along those lines, I also set
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of like steps and process goals to get there,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: So how are you going to get there? And I
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: think that's what is most helpful for me, because I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: think you can't. This is just like you know you're
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier. You can't force your relationship with running.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: It's I think I've gone through periods in my career
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: where I'm so focused on the outcome goal and I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: have such a tight grip on it that it's just
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: it takes away the joy and it leads you to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: get injured or make decisions that are not smart because
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: you're coming from a place of fear and like, I
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: have to reach this goal. And so I think setting
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: steps and process goals along the way really helped for
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: me to get that perspective and look at it more
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: as like, Okay, this is a long term goal, but
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: what can I focus on today? What can I focus
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: on in the next month? And you know, it can
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: be something as simple as trying to get a little
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: more sleep, or it can be you know, trying to
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: find that consistency and stay healthy. And I think for me,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the smaller I can kind of break it down, it
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: makes the goal seem more attainable and exciting, and it
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: allows you to get momentum, which I think is really
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: important when you're getting a goal, when you can see
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: progress and steps toward making instead of feeling like you're
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: twenty steps away.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Good on you for identifying that it can be easy
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: to get swept up on the glitz and the glamour
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: of someone else's goal simply because you relate to them
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: in some way. That is probably one of the most
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: challenging aspects of social media. It's like, yes, at times
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: it can be very helpful and a good place, but
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: other times it goes back to our chat about the
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: comparison as the thief of joy. Right, you see someone
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: and they're doing something that looks really exciting, and you're like, oh,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: maybe I want to do this exciting thing too. But
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: if you can't sit down and identify your personal why
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: as to why you want to go after that thing,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: then that thing probably isn't for you. You also use
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the word smart just now when talking about goal setting.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard heard of this before. The acronym
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: for smart goal setting specific measurable, attainable, realistic time bound.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I want to bring it to that example that you
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: said of, like, I want to get more sleep, So
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: if we're going to make a smart goal. It's like
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I want to get seven hours of sleep a night.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe someone that's like their specific goal that they want
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: to come out with. You then have to ask yourself
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: a question like, Okay, is this realistic for me? If
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: you're someone who's currently getting five hours of sleep a
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: night and then you want to set this goal to
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: get seven, probably not that realistic right off the bat,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: But maybe your smarter goal would be I'm going to
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: get five and a half hours of sleep and work
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: back from there and ask yourself to your point, what
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: are the small incremental changes that I can implement that
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: are actually realistic for me so that I can get
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: to where I want to be based on where I'm
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: currently at. Yeah, And that just goes back to what
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: we were talking about, being honest with where you're at
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: so that you can get to where you want to go,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: whether it's with your smart goal of sleeping five and
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: a half hours a night or it's running sub two
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: minutes in the eight hundred.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: That resonates with me so much.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I actually just my coach Jared and I we started
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: last year. He's like, I want you to come up
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: with a mission statement. For the year, and so I
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: just came up with mine for like the following season.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, enlighten. Yeah, and it's just it's right on this point.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like I started it with recognize where you're at,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: because I think for me especially, it's kind of I
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: mean everything you just said, Yeah, when you're at the Olympics,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: everyone's standing on the line wants to win a medal,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: But it's like recognizing where you're at and knowing that
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: that's not discrediting you know, or saying you're never going
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to get there. But I think the way that you
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: train and race and set those goals, you have to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: come to terms and be honest about where you're at,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: because you know that allows you to race smart, That
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: allows you to get the most out of yourself instead
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of trying to race someone else's race just because you're
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: gonna throw yourself in it. For me, that's something that
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I really want to focus on this year is recognize
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: where I'm at, be curious about where I'm going. You know,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: you're not putting limits on yourself, but you're also being
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: honest about where you're at, which I think is the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: first step to really getting where you want to go.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Where are you at? Seriously, where are you at? Yeah?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I guess I'm just working on yeah, approaching
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: it with that curiosity and joy again and being okay
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: with recognizing where you're at and having those big goals,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: but again being excited and curious to go after them
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: instead of coming from a place of fear. Like I said,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I think for a while, I kind of lost sight.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: You know, we were talking about the beginning, but a
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: little bit of my why and got caught up in
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: the comparison, and I think that led to a lot
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: of you know, racing with like that panic and fear
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and anxiety, and again that really takes a toll on
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: one's relationship with running. And so I think, you know,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: that's been really fun for me this fall is being settled,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: you know, being with a coach, being in Colorado, being
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: near my family and feeling you know, safe in that,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and feeling excited about just exploring again and being curious
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: about where I can go and kind of taking that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: pressure off or loosening.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: The grip on those goals.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: And it's like I still have those big outcome goals,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: but there's so much more focus on the day to
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: day and you know when we talked about you know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: injuries or setbacks, like for me this year, that also
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: looks like being really consistent. And sometimes you know, when
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you're setting goals, it is small things like you said,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: like getting half hour more of sleep, or it doesn't
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: have to be big things. I think for a while
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: when I was setting goals, I thought, I need to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: do something big in training, I need to increase my mileage,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: or I need to do so much more intensity, And
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of times I feel like it's that puzzle
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: and it's just moving those dials ever so slightly. Maybe
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you reaching your goals and running or life are actually
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: something completely outside.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Of work or running.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe you need to meet up with friends once more
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: week and that's going to fill your cup. And so
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I think kind of thinking even outside the box a
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: little bit on those goals of it doesn't necessarily have
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: to be so training or performance focused, but it's like, wow,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: what are ways that I could be more balanced or
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: happy in life, or get a little more sleep, or
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: spend a little bit extra time with myself journaling or
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And so I think, yeah, along
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: with the goals, like sometimes it is just really small
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: things that can make a big difference.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can I do an exercise with you? Yeah?
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Because I asked you, like where am I at? And
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: you were like, well, I think I'm here.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: And something that I do on big work days and
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: honestly any day where like anxiety is really like coming
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: for me by the throat. I write down things that
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: are like I AM statements, and there are statements that
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I know to be true. It's like I sit down
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: with you and it's I am someone who has a
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: podcast that's in the top one percent of podcasts globally.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I am someone that is confident, I am.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: I AM capable, right, And so I'm almost curious as
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: to what your I AM statements are. And I'd also
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: love it if you could just give me some facts
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: in there. So it's like I am the record holder
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: for the five k indoor I am fill in the blank.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: So hit me with some of your I AM statements.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Oh man, you're really testy. I'm here for you.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I'm but I'm like here to hype you up because
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: you are so excellent and you've come so far and
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: so knowing the journey and having some context on that
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: from you, it's like sometimes I feel as though it's
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: so helpful for someone listening to be like, yeah, but
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Alisa's I AM statements too.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's super helpful. And I think I'll get
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: to the im statements and one I'm like, don't don't
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: you dare try to skip my question. Shoot, I'm not avoiding,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I know, but I think it's funny when you say that.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: You know, even when you start it and you're like,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: two time olympian, it's just so easy to forget. And
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of us do that. It's like
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: you have goals and then you're onto the next one
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and you kind of it's very easy to forget that.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: And I think that's important. So I appreciate that.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's see, I am the indoor American record holder
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: in the five k.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: You're making me very uncomfortable by forcing me to do
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: this my purpose.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I am a two time Olympian, I am a four
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: time USA champion. I'm courageous, I am curious, I am strong,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I am gritty, I am resilient.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I know why am I emotional? I am emotional? How
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: does it make me feel very vulnerable? But how does
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: it feel? But how does it feel to say things
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: like that, and.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: It feels vulnerable, but it feels really good. And I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: love that you brought up the IM statements and I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: do feel like that's something that I started doing a
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: bit more at the beginning of this year. And I
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: think the facts, like you said that ground you, but
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: also the things that again aren't related to like something
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: you've achieved, you know, Like I love that, like that
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I am curious, I am courageous, Like that's when I
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: come back to a lot, is I AM resilient or
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I AM gritty? Because I think, you know, that's something
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that those I AM statements can apply to anything in life.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: And I can use them in the middle of a workout,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a race, but I can also
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: use them, you know, if I'm injured or just any
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: like you said, even if you're going to do something
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: completely outside of running and you're anxious or nervous about
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it or it's out of your comfort zone. I think
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: those are things that you can come back to. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: just recognizing those, I think is, yeah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: What does gritty mean to you? Man?
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: That was my favorite. I mean the other I AM
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: statements two time Olympian, I like love those, but I
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: love I am gritty and I really resonate with that.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: So what does gritty mean to you? Yeah, I just
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: love I love that word.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I think to me it means I think it kind
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of encompasses, you know, courage and resilience.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: To me, it's it's scrappy.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: It's like you just keep showing up and you're going
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: to give your best no matter what. And it can
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: be a good day or a bad day. I forget
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: that what the exact quote is, but it's something about
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: having a B plus day when you were maybe going
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: to have a C minus day. So it's it's so
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: easy to have an A or A plus day when
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you're feeling good and everything's going right. But I think
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: gritty to me means like when the odds are stacked
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: against you, or you've had, you know, a setback, or
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you're not in a great spot, being able to bring
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: yourself back and still get it done. And maybe that
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't look as pretty or as shiny or as flashy,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: but you're still showing up and you're still getting it done.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: And you know, I think that even goes a little.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Bit to the vulnerability pieces, like you can show up
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: to a race and not be in the best shape
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: of your life, and you're going to be vulnerable out
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: there and it may not be what you want, but
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: you're still going to fight for every spot in place,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: even if you want to be fighting for top five
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: and you're fighting for Top twenty or wherever it may be.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: And so I think it's recognizing where you are and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: not being afraid to show up, even if it's not
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: necessarily where you want to be or where you know
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you can be.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, someone goes to your Instagram page, they see someone
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: who is a two time Olympian, a pro runner for Nike.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: You've got something like forty five thousand followers. That's what
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: they see when they look at your Instagram. When you
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: look in the mirror, what is it that you see
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: looking back at you.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Oh Man, Someone that I think really wants to help
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and inspire the next generation of runners and people in general.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And I think I like to do that.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm a huge vocal leader, but
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I think I do. I want to do that by
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: how I live my life and my approach to sport
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: and life in general. And so I think that's what
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I want to see is someone that keeps showing up
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: and hopefully inspires at least one other person to do
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: the same, and you know, work through doubts or yeah,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: self doubt in whatever it may be, whether that's running
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: or life or career relationships or anything.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I think it's safe to say that you've done that
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: with definitely more than one person. When you reflect on
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: the doubts and the challenges that you've had over let's
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: say the last five ten years, if you had to
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: identify what was the most challenging hurdle for you to overcome,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: where does your mind go?
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: The biggest hurdle has been trusting myself, you know, as
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: we talked about, I think just giving so much power
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to other people. And I mean I vividly remember this
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: even when I was trying to decide on a college,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Like I was talking to my parents and I was like,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I wish someone could just tell me where to go.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of been a big hurdle
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: that I've faced for a while, is looking to other
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: people to just tell me what to do and kind
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: of sometimes being debilitated by the freedom to you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: choose a life path or decide where to go. And
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of proud of the last year of making
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: coaching changes and stuff, because I feel like it's really
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: been the first time where I started to trust myself
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: and trust that like, you know, even I mean this
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: is a very micro example, but even this year working
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: with Jared and just making small adjustments in training that
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: maybe aren't as like a typical outline, if that makes sense.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: So it's like incorporating a little more cross training or
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: you know, doing things a little differently and not being
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: so rigid and stuck on following a specific path or
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: a specific training schedule or whatever it may be. And
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I think that's been I think that's you know, very
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: tied to self doubt slash confidence, you know, as you
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: trust yourself more to make decisions and figure out what
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: you really want in life, not letting other people kind
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: of tell you again what your goal should be or
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: what you want.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: That's a big thing that I've been working through.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: How does it feel that you are executing on this
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: evolution of trusting yourself?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: It feels very empowering, which is again I think, you know,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: when I decided to start working with my coach Jared
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and March, that was something that I feel, you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: as we talked about journaling or slowing down, I think
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: things can really come to you, which is nice.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And I feel like there was so much noise.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do or where to be,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: and you're so focused on the Olympics are coming up.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: But I think when I slowed down and gave myself
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: that time to it's to like listen and hear you
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: know your that inner voice. You know that it's always
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: been there, even when you sometimes feel like you're losing
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: track of it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: It's it's always there.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: That feels empowering to be like, Okay, I know it's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: always there, but there are times when I've ignored it
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  Speaker 1: or been too busy or haven't been in tune with it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's been really fun to get back
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: in tune with it. And I think that builds momentum
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  Speaker 1: and confidence to really be like I know what I
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: need or I know what works for me, and I
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: think that really helps. We've talked about this a lot,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: but with the comparison piece, because I think you can
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: be really so much more secure in your decisions and
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: what you're doing, and it's there's way less of a
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: temptation to look around and wonder what other people are doing,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And I think you can operate from a spot of
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: wanting to learn from other people and pick up things,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: but implement what you know, what maybe excites you or
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: what you want to do, instead of taking everything at
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: face value and trying to do something someone else's way.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of surreal for someone who runs a five k
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  Speaker 3: in fourteen thirty three seventeen to say it's important to
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: slow down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Flowing down has changed everything for you, And it's not
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  Speaker 3: always easy. But most of the things in life that
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: are the most worthwhile and the most rewarding, they're not
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  Speaker 3: going to be Yeah, And that is a lesson that
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  Speaker 3: for maybe you and me and many other listening to
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: this podcast they've learned through their relationship with movement. But
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: it doesn't need to be through movement. It just needs
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: to be through the choice that you make to show
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: up for yourself and say I am willing to get
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: comfortable with the uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it's hard. It's hard. It's hard, it's
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: really hard.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: As we wind down here, you what are you excited
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  Speaker 3: about right now? Tell me what are you excited about
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: right now?
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  Speaker 2: Else? Wow?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I mean we talked about I saw you in Chicago
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: and then being here in Austin. I've had so much
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: fun just reconnecting with the running community again and being
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: in different spots where I think being out in Bolder
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: too like running with new people. Being a professional, it
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: can sometimes be so feel like you're just in the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: professional running world, and then you realize there's this whole
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: community out there, and so that's been really fun for me.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Had a lot of it's been a struggle, but a
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: lot of growth and change in my mindset, even just
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: since the Olympics, and I'm excited to get on the
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: line and be excited to race again and be having
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: a mindset to be, you know, curious about what I
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: can do. And I think that already just feels so
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: much more freeing in terms of my approach to training
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: in life, and so I'm excited to put that into action.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: You point out something that I think is really important,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: and it's this concept that when you can find the
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: joy in what you're doing, it's just going to be
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: such a different experience.
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  Speaker 2: And you talked about so many of these years where
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: you were.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Struggling with your relationship with running, and now it's so
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: clear in the way that you talk about your sport
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: that the joy has given you such a gift, And
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I think that's so important because so many people are
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: using it at times, whether it's running or something else,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: they just do it because they feel like they're supposed to.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: So to be able to find the joy what a
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: beautiful lesson in showing up for yourself, identifying your why,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: and being like, this is what feels good for me,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: so I'm going.
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  Speaker 2: To do it.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great again. I think that's a
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: part of trusting yourself too. It's like for some people
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: a different approach works well, and I think I've tried that.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I've tried to have that really tight grip or be
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: super intense, or be you know, like whatever it is.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: When I look back even on my races from this year,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the ones where I was like, obviously you're focused, but
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: when I'm having the most fun and I'm was the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: most relaxed, I mean, even think back to, you know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: just the difference at how I felt, you know, at
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the Trials versus the Olympics, and the Trials, I was
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: spending so much time with my family, and I think
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: there were times in my career where I was like
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: oh no, you have to like stay in the hotel,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: you have to rest and all this stuff. But you know,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: as we talked about like just filling your cup in
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: other ways, you know, owning and embracing that. It's like,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: maybe that doesn't work for some people, but for me,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: it's very like energy and life giving to be around
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: my family and then that allows me to show up
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: and be able to dig and go to those deeper
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: places when I'm coming from a place of joy and
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: excitement to be there.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: That balance that you have found over the last year
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: is something that takes so many people so long to
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: figure out. And I'm not saying, although I hope this
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: for you, that it won't stay, but it is a
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: constant work Like it's like any good relationship, like you
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: need to put the work in so you have that balance.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: So again, so commendable on you for getting to this
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: place because I think it's really reflecting and what you're doing,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: and it makes me excited about what you're excited atout
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: final question, you have an opportunity right now, knowing what
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: you know now, to give yourself some advice back when
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: you were struggling with giving yourself permission to trust yourself.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: What would you tell that younger version of yourself.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Slow down and identify what works for you, and whether
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: that be talking to the people at your table or
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: people that you trust or look up to like I
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: think there's you know, definitely an information gathering period of time,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and I think that helps with building confidence and trusting
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: yourself and looking to the people around you. But I
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: would say, don't be afraid to take risks and do
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: something different, being comfortable with the uncomfortable. And I think
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I've always that's always a line that I repeat a
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: lot during workouts, but I don't think I necessarily for
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a while thought about how that applies to just everything
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: in life. I would have told myself, you know, take risks,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: don't be afraid of you know, walking into uncertain territory.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: But you're going to discover a lot about yourself, and
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: you're going to grow, and you're going to find what
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: works and what doesn't work. And I think part of
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: that too, This is now a lot of too much advice,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: but I never just seeing life or you know, chasing
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: after your goals again as you know, an iterative process
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: and a bit experimental. I think for a while I
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: was really hard on myself and focused on like needing
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: to get it perfect, and I think that can be
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: super debilitating and not lead you to trust yourself or
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: not lead you to take risks or try new things.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: There isn't one path, and there's you know when you experiment,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: and oftentimes finding what doesn't work gives you a lot
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: more information and is a lot more telling than finding
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: out what does work. And I think I would embrace
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: that more and not be afraid of that and not
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: feel that there were any sort of mistakes, but that
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: you know, failures or things learned is what led to
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: what led to the growth, and that's part of the process.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I was focused so much on trying to be just
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: stuck in that perfection perfectionist mindset that you miss out
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: on taking that risk and you're not able to trust
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: yourself or be willing to kind of I think it
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: narrows your vision. You're not able to see. Okay, there
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: are a lot of different paths to get to where
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I want to be, and some of them are probably
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: more joyful and more fruitful than other paths.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: So you should probably try to find that path as
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: best you can.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Your imperfection and your vulnerability is so appreciated because truly,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: that's the good stuff.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: That's it on.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Behalf of so many of us, including myself. Thanks for
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: offering it. I'm so happy that we were able to
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: do this for anyone who may not follow you just yet.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Give us the lowdown.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: How do they keep up with you, how they fall
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: along with you on social what are the deats?
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I just want to say thank you so much
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: for having me on and giving me a space and
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: challenging me to be vulnerable.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Your questions definitely did that.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: So I am on Instagram at least dot cranny, so
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: that's probably the best place to find me and stay
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: up to date.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: And stay up to date, I'm over at Emily a
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  Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.