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Episode 45: "Harry Potter" in the Night Sky · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode forty five of Ravellio for
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  Speaker 1: May twenty eighth, twenty twenty six. I'm Amy and I'm Nicole.
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  Speaker 1: Nichol's back.
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  Speaker 2: Yi, I'm back. I'm back. I'm going to be back
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  Speaker 2: for a bit, I think, so. Thanks so much to
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  Speaker 2: our lovely friends for filling in for the last episode.
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  Speaker 2: I listened to the episode on my flight home and
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  Speaker 2: it was very fun.
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  Speaker 1: We had a good time. If you missed it. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about plants and herbology in a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: magical plants and their relation to our human world muggle world. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well in this episode we're going to kind of continue
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  Speaker 2: on the I guess like interesting topics. I guess maybe
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  Speaker 2: a tied to like another. No, I mean nothing is
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  Speaker 2: a boring topic, but I think that like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean I can't I haven't really you know, listening to
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  Speaker 2: herbology topics and now we're going to talk about astronomy,
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  Speaker 2: like just interesting topics, not boring, just different different. So
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  Speaker 2: in this episode we're going to be discussing the stars
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  Speaker 2: and planets and how they're used in Harry Potter. But
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  Speaker 2: first listening to w W in the Wizarding Wireless Network
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  Speaker 2: Now for the latest headlines. So we have a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of new this episode. There's some new merch coming
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  Speaker 2: to Epic Universe. There's new collectible glass character wands that
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  Speaker 2: will be available. I think they're just going to be
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  Speaker 2: available at Ministry of Magic and Epic Universe. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if they're going to expand further. But the news
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  Speaker 2: story I saw just said in Ministry of Magic and
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  Speaker 2: these are really cool and they like you can also
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  Speaker 2: get a glass stand to put them on, like the
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  Speaker 2: wand stands that they already have available, And yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think something that I would actually get, which is
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  Speaker 2: shocking because I have a good merch item, especially ones.
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  Speaker 2: But they are really cool and actually I think they
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  Speaker 2: look really like classy and would look kind of like
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  Speaker 2: elegant on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Or are these like only for the one year anniversary
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  Speaker 1: or do we know if they're going to be out
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  Speaker 1: for longer than that.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure because I know that you had
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  Speaker 2: originally had in the dock about anniversary merch and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, wait, there's anniversary merch, Like I had no
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  Speaker 2: idea that there was, So I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 2: why we're seeing some new Merch pop up if it
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  Speaker 2: is related to that. I think that something like this
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  Speaker 2: kind of looks like an anniversary.
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  Speaker 1: Type, like how I did like the plaque for Hogsmeade
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  Speaker 1: that was like the.
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  Speaker 2: Glass Yeah, that I still wish i'd got when we
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  Speaker 2: were there and I didn't. But yeah, but I haven't
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  Speaker 2: seen anyone reporting the character Last Character Wants as an
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  Speaker 2: anniversary item.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know if it's just a coincidence
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  Speaker 1: that they just came out like around the same time,
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  Speaker 1: because I know they did. They did like different anniversary
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  Speaker 1: items for each portal I was seeing, and they had
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  Speaker 1: like a new bag and like stuff like that, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, because yeah, like everything
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  Speaker 1: I've seen about the glass ones, it hasn't necessarily been
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  Speaker 1: like only available for the first anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, they definitely seem like an anniversary item.
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  Speaker 2: Though I wonder too what they should have done if
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  Speaker 2: it was going to be like an anniversary item, is
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  Speaker 2: they should have done the like the Phoenix wand it's
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  Speaker 2: like glass, although I don't I don't know if that
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  Speaker 2: one would have worked well as glass because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like you need the different paint colors to kind of
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  Speaker 2: really see it. I think I guess maybe the character
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  Speaker 2: wants work better because they're just it can be a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. They're more about the shapes I think than
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  Speaker 2: the detail. But yeah, no, that's a good question. Hopefully
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  Speaker 2: we'll see like more on it. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: Universal has like a if there's if they've posted anything
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  Speaker 2: official about the glass wands. I've just seen it through
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  Speaker 2: other outlets, so maybe we'll learn more about it if
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  Speaker 2: Universal posts about it like more officially. M But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's also a new hazelnut flavored chocolate frog that is
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  Speaker 2: going to also be exclusive to Ministry of Magic, And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this sounds really great. I like message Amie as soon
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  Speaker 2: as I saw it because this is hazel nut is
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  Speaker 2: my jam and I'm like, this would be great and
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  Speaker 2: they just need to like add some like they need
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  Speaker 2: to make it like a Ferraro rochet chocolate frog that
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  Speaker 2: would be like perfect, like add some little actual hazel
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  Speaker 2: nuts in it. They could really off the chocolate frog game,
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  Speaker 2: like we could get I don't know, like truffle and
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  Speaker 2: it's got like a like lint, like think of like
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  Speaker 2: lint truffles, like a like a smoother inside like they
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  Speaker 2: could really level.
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  Speaker 1: Up a good salted caramel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I feel like this. Obviously we knew
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  Speaker 2: that they started branching out right, like we got the
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  Speaker 2: white chocolate, we got the dark chocolate one, and now
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  Speaker 2: like the hazelnut one. I think like the sky's the limit.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're showing that we could really branch out
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  Speaker 2: with the chocolate frog business and really have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of flavors. And I hope they do that.
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  Speaker 1: And I just had to bring up I know this
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  Speaker 1: isn't like new, but the butter beer macron. I know
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  Speaker 1: that you and I talked extensively about how disappointed we
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  Speaker 1: were there was no butter beer macron, and then they
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  Speaker 1: did it for butterbeer season this year. My friend McCormick
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  Speaker 1: tasted it and I was like, I gotta know, like,
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  Speaker 1: is it good? And she said it was one of
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  Speaker 1: the best butter beer items that they brought. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: really hoping it's like permanent and it stays because I
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  Speaker 1: really want it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. I was really hoping that you know that she
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  Speaker 2: was going to tell you it wasn't good so that
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  Speaker 2: I could be like, oh, thank god I missed it
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  Speaker 2: because butter I do feel like butter beer items can
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  Speaker 2: be like hit or miss, Like last year was it
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  Speaker 2: last year that I went during butterbeer season and I
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  Speaker 2: got like the puff pastry and I really thought I
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  Speaker 2: was gonna like it, but it was like I didn't
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  Speaker 2: love it, and it was like, if I remember right,
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  Speaker 2: it was either it was either sickingly sweet or it
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  Speaker 2: was flavorless. I can't remember. It was one of the extremes,
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  Speaker 2: but it just wasn't that great. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: butter beer stuff can be hit or missed, so dash
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  Speaker 2: darn it sad that they're great, but and I feel
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  Speaker 2: like that they will keep it as like, because they're
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  Speaker 2: really monopolizing on this butter beer season thing, so it
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  Speaker 2: makes sense that they would be like, we're only going
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  Speaker 2: to bring this item out every year for butter beer season.
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  Speaker 1: But it really should be permanent, because how can you
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  Speaker 1: have a pumpkin juice macarn and not a butter beer one.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I feel like when they first when we
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  Speaker 2: first started learning about the food items, I swear there
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  Speaker 2: was a butter beer one there from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: I think we made this up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe we're confusing it with like the butter beer,
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  Speaker 2: but like I don't think so. Like I swear there
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  Speaker 2: was a butterbeer Mac or maybe not. I swear that
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about that they should do it, and
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  Speaker 2: then they announced that they were doing them. I don't know. Well,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully either way, at least we know they do exist
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  Speaker 2: in some form at some point in time. McCormick, if
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  Speaker 2: you're listening, I'm glad they were great and no one
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  Speaker 2: day hopefully we'll we'll try them. And then we did
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  Speaker 2: learn just a little bit of show news that the
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  Speaker 2: actress who's playing Ginny Weasley will not be returning after
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  Speaker 2: season one. So we learned that Ginny will be recast
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  Speaker 2: for or starting like with season two of the Harry
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  Speaker 2: Potter TV series, as Gracie will not be returning due
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  Speaker 2: to quote unforeseen circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a shame, but like I said, at
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  Speaker 1: least it's happening after season one and not season two.
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  Speaker 2: Because right, it's not like in season two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't have a ton of scenes in season one,
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  Speaker 1: so like.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think like, yeah, I mean, other than
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  Speaker 2: probably like the scene we saw, like we see in
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  Speaker 2: the teaser, like at the train, and maybe if there's
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  Speaker 2: any quick little things of her on at Home, But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that she would have had like a
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  Speaker 2: really big role in that first even anyways, so hopefully
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  Speaker 2: it won't be too much of yeah, of a change,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean, unfortunately, these things like do happen.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that she will be the first actor
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  Speaker 2: or actress that we might see replaced over the course
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  Speaker 2: of the series, especially given how long the series is
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  Speaker 2: supposed to span and how many years it does happen.
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  Speaker 1: So that's hard when you're dealing with it's because not
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  Speaker 1: only are you dealing with them in their lives, but
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  Speaker 1: their family's lives. So you know, if something happens in
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  Speaker 1: the family and the case, you can't do it anymore. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's hard, but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, but again, like we said, it's yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's at least it's kind of early on and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we just hope that the unforeseen circumstances
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  Speaker 2: are nothing bad or nothing nothing points that it is that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, things just life happens. Life happens. The cat
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  Speaker 2: upstairs is just running around. So if you can hear
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  Speaker 2: like a horse, stop, it's the upstairs kit just a cat.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the cat sounds like the a pack of
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  Speaker 2: centaurs that we're going to be talking about later. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: there you go, setting the mood, setting the mood. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: back to the news, So, min Alima has kind of
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  Speaker 2: re entered the game a little bit here, very surprisingly
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  Speaker 2: and announced that they're going to be releasing a tabletop
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  Speaker 2: board game called Defenders of Hogwarts. And I can't say
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  Speaker 2: that this was ever on my bingo card for me
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  Speaker 2: and a Lima No, but I don't hate it whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: So there's still a lot we don't know about this game,
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  Speaker 2: but there we get a little bit of a background
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  Speaker 2: of what the game is going to be about in
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  Speaker 2: their announcement post on Instagram, and it says, in Defenders
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  Speaker 2: of Hogwarts, the famed School of Witchcraft and Wizardry has
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  Speaker 2: been infiltrated by death Eaters and Dark Forces. You must
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  Speaker 2: make a choice. Represent your house and defend your school,
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  Speaker 2: or join the Dark Forces to ensure Lord Valdemore's victory.
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  Speaker 2: Choose wisely, for this battle will have the power to
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  Speaker 2: determine the fate of Hogwarts. Kind of sounds like we're
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  Speaker 2: going time travel a little bit and completely change the
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  Speaker 2: outcome of what happened but yeah, that's all we kind
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  Speaker 2: of really know right now. It looks like the game
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  Speaker 2: is going to be available soon on Kickstarter, so it's
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  Speaker 2: going to start there and you can sign up to
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  Speaker 2: learn more. There's a link in the bio on Mina
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  Speaker 2: A Lima's Instagram page. So really interested to see if
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  Speaker 2: eventually it makes it beyond Kickstarter onto like regular retail.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I think I could see it
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  Speaker 2: doing well on Kickstarter, like a lot of people, obviously
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  Speaker 2: we are big fans of min A Lima and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we'll see but exciting news. Exciting news me and Alima's
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  Speaker 2: back in the game with something new, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: with not going to replace ours, not going to replace
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  Speaker 2: our book that we wish that was so main Liama.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, interesting, yeah, so I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean as we learn more about that, you'll hear about
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  Speaker 2: it here. And the last couple of things are a
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: little bit of like audio things, which if you're listening
• 13:19
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  Speaker 2: didn't really, I don't. I didn't think I realized it
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  Speaker 2: when I saw this. I wasn't expecting it to already
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• 14:03
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• 14:12
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• 14:14
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• 14:21
  Speaker 2: you know, sorting through the apartment to do, and I
• 14:25
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  Speaker 1: All right, so for our main discussion, we are going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about stars and planets and constellations and all
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  Speaker 1: that good stuff in the night sky and how it
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  Speaker 1: pertains to Harry Potter. So before we jump in, just
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  Speaker 1: to kind of go through the differences here between like
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  Speaker 1: astronomy and astrology, because sometimes that gets confusing. Astronomy is
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  Speaker 1: a natural science and the study of the physical stars, planets, galaxies,
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  Speaker 1: black holes, et cetera, and is evidence based. Astrology is
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  Speaker 1: a pseudoscience, or a belief system in which positions and
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  Speaker 1: movements of celestial bodies directly influence human lives and earthly events.
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  Speaker 1: We see both of these used throughout the books. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: there are astronomy classes. Astrology kind of aligns a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more with like divination and the centaurs and their
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  Speaker 1: branch of that, So yeah, a little bit of both.
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  Speaker 1: And then Star Loar. Star Loar is the stories in
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  Speaker 1: the mythology of how constellations or stars came to be
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  Speaker 1: in the sky, and the most familiar to us in
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  Speaker 1: the Western world are usually from Greek and Roman stories,
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  Speaker 1: but cultures around the globe have had legends to explain
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  Speaker 1: the stars and their placement for ever. So there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of star war out there.
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  Speaker 2: Which makes sense, right, because if you think about the past,
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  Speaker 2: and like, all you really had was like the night
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  Speaker 2: sky and the stars, and so it only made sense
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  Speaker 2: that over time things like starlar and astrology came to
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  Speaker 2: be because as humans, we love to develop things to
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  Speaker 2: explain things we can't explain, right, And so you you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're literally laying there watching all these stars and seeing
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  Speaker 2: these things, and it seemed only natural that these things
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  Speaker 2: would develop. And I think now that we are in
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  Speaker 2: a place where we're in homes and we have electricity
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  Speaker 2: and maybe we're not stargazing as much, we're like losing
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  Speaker 2: that a little bit. But you know, so I love
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  Speaker 2: whenever I used to have an app on my phone
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  Speaker 2: that followed like my like was astrology based and like
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  Speaker 2: not that, and it's always fun to read it and
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  Speaker 2: be like, wow, this really applies to me. Even if
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  Speaker 2: I still agree that it's like a pseudoscience, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's still really fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, And I love Starlar, Like I feel like
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  Speaker 1: my introduction to Greek mythology was through Starlar, so I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's always fun to revisit those stories. So just to
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  Speaker 1: mention real quick, there is obviously astronomy class at Hogwarts
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  Speaker 1: in which students study the night sky and they use
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  Speaker 1: that natural science discipline. In astronomy class, they use their telescopes,
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  Speaker 1: they locate the stars, the planets, constellations, they chart them. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 1: there really doesn't seem to be a magical twist to
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  Speaker 1: this class. It seems to be very much astronomy in
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  Speaker 1: the Muggle sense as well. So it's kind of interesting
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  Speaker 1: that like which is in Wizards see the importance of
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  Speaker 1: that science.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think that it's I mean, I think
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  Speaker 2: it makes complete sense that which is a Wizards would
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  Speaker 2: be so interested in something like astronomy. And I think
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  Speaker 2: and we know too, and I think we talked about
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  Speaker 2: it a little bit more and depth, and we did,
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  Speaker 2: like our Partment of Mysteries episode like way back, like obviously,
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  Speaker 2: one of the rooms in the Department of mysteries is
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  Speaker 2: like space, So yeah, there's definitely a interest there. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: again I think it just magic space. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: it's just I think they go hand in hand. But
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  Speaker 2: I do think it's really interesting that it is like
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  Speaker 2: the only class like at Hogwarts that is really like
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  Speaker 2: comparable to like what a class we would have in
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  Speaker 2: the Muggle world is, and that there isn't really this
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  Speaker 2: magical twist on it.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, like the only the only way there could
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  Speaker 1: really be a magical twist, I guess is like thinking
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  Speaker 1: about some of the plants that we discussed last episode,
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  Speaker 1: and how like if those ingredients are picked at a
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  Speaker 1: certain point, like under a full moon or like whatever, like,
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  Speaker 1: their effects are different. So maybe that' like one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons why they study astronomy because it does affect
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  Speaker 1: other magical disciplines.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, divination uses the stars in a very different way,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll kind of get to that a little bit later.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously, when we talk about Harry Potter and the
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  Speaker 1: Night Sky, there's certain characters in their names that come
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  Speaker 1: up that you know, through the years we all learned
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  Speaker 1: their relation to stars and things. This was a big
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  Speaker 1: one when the books were actively coming out and people
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  Speaker 1: were trying to get whatever clue they could possibly get
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  Speaker 1: about what could happen to certain characters. Diving into kind
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  Speaker 1: of the meaning behind the names was one of those
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  Speaker 1: methods people we're trying to use to gather some hints.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: So some of these character names that are tied to
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: stars and constellations you probably already know about. Some of
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: them are a little bit more in depth and I
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: think maybe not quite so common knowledge, So those are
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: interesting as well, But we're going to go through some
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: of these. So, uh, first, up Remus Lupin, which we
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: talked about quite extensively a few episodes ago, and we
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: did talk about the etymology of Lupin's name on that
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: episode as well, but I thought it was important to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: note here in line with our discussion that Lupin is
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: derived from Lupus, which is the name of the wolf constellation,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: so he is relevant to our discussion. And then another Marauder,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Serious Black. I feel like this is the one that
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: everyone knows right Serious or the Dog Star is known
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: as the brightest star in the sky and is located
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: in the constellation known as Canis Major or the Great dog,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: so obviously serious anime is form. It's a dog, this
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: makes sense.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And he is the brightest star in the sky. Here's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the brightest star in my sky.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: The Black Family in general really liked naming after stars
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: because we have Sirius's brother, Regulus, who is named after
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: two stars. Actually, so Regulus is the brightest star in
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the Leo constellation and our tourists is the brightest star
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: in the constellation. I think that's how you say it, Boots,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Probably so. The Leo constellation is thought
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to be the form of a lion, representing the Nieman
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: lion from Greek mythology, which we did talk about a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: little bit last episode. But to recap, Hercules was tasked
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: with defeating the Nieman lion, which had magical golden fur
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: that weapons could not penetrate. So to defeat the beast,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Hercules went into a cave and fought it in hand
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to hand combat. Interestingly, this battle takes place in a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: cave and involves fighting something that can't be killed with
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: ordinary weapons, sort of like a certain impenetrable locket. The
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Regulus encounters a little bit of.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Foreshadowing, foreshadowing of his fate I think so.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Mm so, then a little bit of like astrology here.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: So Leo star signs are generally considered charismatic with a
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: desire to stand out. They are considered to be generous
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: and loyal. A weakness of theirs is to be attention seeking, arrogant,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and or stubborn, which I feel like a lot of
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: this applies to Regulus.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I think so too.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: So that kind of explains Regulus's first name and it's
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: star namesake. The second name Arcturists. So the Booths constellation
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: is of a herdsman or a plowman. And there are
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a few different myths of how this constellation came to be,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: but the most likely reference here involves are tourists and
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: that story. According to Greek mythology, Arcus was the son
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: of Zeus and Callisto, and Arcus was raised by his
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: grandfather Lichen. One day, Zeus went to Lichen's house for dinner, and,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: in a very super messed up quest to determine if
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: his guest was really the King of the gods or not,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Lican kills his grandson Arcus and serves Zeus a meal
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: made of his flesh. Totally normal family dynamic, nothing weird here. Uh,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Zeus noticed what happened here, and he gets so mad
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and he turns like it into a wolf like anthropy
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and gave life back to his son. But meanwhile it
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: gets weirder. Arcus, his mother, Callisto, had been transformed into
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a bear by Zeus's wife Harrah, because she was mad
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: about the infidelity.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: This is really I mean, and she can't be mad.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, Zeus has like how many kids with how
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: many people? Like we need to get beyond the infidelity.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I think he's the problem. Yeah, yeah, so turns Klosto
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: into a bear. Callisto almost gets killed by her son
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: because he was out hunting and you know, saw a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: bear and yeah, almost killed her. So to keep both
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of them safe, Zeus places them in the sky. Callisto
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: would become the constellation of Ursa major, and Arcus was
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: placed nearby in the boost constellation. Arcturus is the brightest
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: star in that constellation and often referred to as bear Watcher.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So he's supposed to be kind of like standing by,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: like protecting his mother. Yeah.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, I don't know, like if that one has
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: a really good one to one applicability to Regulus, but yeah, interesting.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know about Regulus's grandfather, but like, I would
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: hope that he didn't try to kill him. And surfing
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: for dinner. Yeah, that's one of the more wild myths.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe maybe the author just liked that story
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: and wanted to throw.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Well, this is weird.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I know how to throw them off. Let's throw this
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: name in. Oh gosh, well she had to get an
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: a name, right, so like and if and I think
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: if you're like, if you've already decided you're going to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: follow stars and you're going to get the Black family
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: star names, and you're like, well, I need a because
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I wonder if rab came before the name, which it
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: could have, and then you're like, what stars start with A? Yeah,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and our tourists just kind of actually works pretty well
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: as a name, so it might not have any other
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: implication other than just it was the thing that worked.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: So then obviously we've got Andromeda. So Andromeda black slash
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: tonks Andrameda is a constellation meant to depict the Greek
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: mythological princess of the same name. In Greek mythology, Andromeda's mother, Cassiopeia,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: brags that she and her daughter are more beautiful than
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the near its se nymps Incensed another angry god, Poseidon,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: sends a sea monster to ravage the coastline, and in
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Drameda becomes the human sacrifice, and she has chained to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: a rock to appease the gods. But before the sea
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: monster can come and eat her, she's rescued by Perseus,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: who is on his way back from his quest to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: kill Medusa, and so he uses the head of Medusa
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to petrify the sea monster, and Perseus and Andromeda get married.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: So there's a happy ending to this strange family dynamic too.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Which I think is not common in Greek stories. They
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: have a They're known as tragedies for a reason. So
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that this one had a happy ending, which
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I do feel like, I guess if we want to
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: compare this to like TNKS, I think that, I mean,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I feel like she both did and didn't have a
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: happy ending, obviously. I think there is this happy ending
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: in that she like finds this family with you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: with Remus, and they have Teddy and all of that,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: and she just, you know, I feel like, has always
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: felt kind of like this outsider and everything with and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: then finds this family, right, But then obviously we do
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: know kind of has a little bit of a tragic
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: ending with dying during the Battle of Hogwarts.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So I think too in pertaining to Andromeda Black, obviously
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Andromeda's mother, well family in general, they disowned her, right,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: so you've got that element as well, that's kind of
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the same and like casting them off and be like
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: right bye. Yeah. So then we get to Bellatrix as well,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and Drameda's sister. So Bellatrix is the name of the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: third brightest star in the O'Brien constellation. And I just
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: found it interesting that we have Regulus and Serious who
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: are named for the brightest stars in their constellations, but
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Bellatrix is only the third brightest in hers.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah signe Bellatrix.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, is this just another one of those you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: good over evil, the good is brighter?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: No, I think it does kind of Like I mean,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: it could have also have been like what I said before,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that like Bellatrix was just the coolest name to you there,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: which I mean I can't imagine like another name for her, right,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: it just works. But I do think that for sure
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: it could be like a foreshadowing of because yeah, Regulus
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and serious are both good. She's not, so I think
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: that there might be something there.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So another interesting note, Bellatrix. The star marks
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Orion's right shoulder, the left from the viewer's perspective from
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the Earth, but if you were Orion himself, it is
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the right shoulder. And we know Bellatrix is the right
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: hand woman to Voldemort, so that's kind of cool. The
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: name also means female warrior, which makes sense. According to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: writings by Ptolemy, Bellatrix is associated with the planetary energies
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of Mars and Mercury, which in astrological beliefs means a
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: mixture of thinking fast and acting fast. Mars is associated
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: with drive, willpower, and physical energy or exertion, while Mercury
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: is associated with the mind, intellect, and communication.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: That makes sense, and we'll talk about Mars a little
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: bit more later. But it's also very much associated with war,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: which again fits her female warrior. Yeah bad, just wanting
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: to be engaged in warlike things.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And I thought this was interesting too, just because she
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: is very much like a knee jerk reaction kind of character, Like.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thinking fast and acting fast, I think that does
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: describe her.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we've got Draco Malfoy. Draco is the
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: name for the constellation of the same name, which forms
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the shape of a dragon in the nice sky. In
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Greek mythology, the dragon guarded the golden apples that Hercules
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: had to steal as part of his lates. The dragon
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: was defeated by Hercules and placed in the sky by Harra,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: who was trying to honor that the dragon you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: kind of did her bidding and such. In Roman myths,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Draco is one of the titans who fought Olympian gods.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Minerva or you know, the Greek Athena. Minerva's the Roman
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: equivalent of that, defeated the dragon. She grabbed it by
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: its tail and threw it into the sky, where it
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: came to rest as a constellation. So a couple stories
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to explain Draco. The Draco constellation also used to house
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the Earth's north star Supin, but due to the Earth's
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: swabbling access that star is no longer located at the pole.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: And I don't, yeah, I think this one is like
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: harder to kind of like, I think see like a
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: connection to Draco other than the name Draco just being
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: like a really cool.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Name pretty much. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: like if you want to think about him like fighting
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: a losing battle, I guess it kind of works with
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: like the Roman mess. Well, I guess in both situations, right,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the dragon doesn't win m either time. I mean, I
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: guess you could kind of see Dumbledore as like an
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Olympian god if you wanted to go that parallel of
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: like Draco. Yea, but ye didn't work.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah owh Draco was one of the Titans who fought
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the Olympic gods. Okay, yeah, yes, yeah. And I was
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: thinking too about the in like the Greek aspect of
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the dragon, like guarding something, and like I feel like
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: right now my brain's not working enough to like really
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: think of like that connection, but there's something like standing
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: out to me about that where it's like possibly like
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: and defeated by hercules, like possibly, Like I don't know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I just something about there thinks about like Draco and
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Harry and like, but I don't know.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: What, almost like guarding like his family legacy, right like
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: he just trying to kind of like uphold that old
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: way of thinking that he was raised in.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: And I and actually if we want to insert herse
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: child here because here I am incerting chirst Child. That
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: actually works even really well too, because I think that
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: when we get to see Draco's kind of progression as
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: an adult and as a father, and I think that,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if my brain's going to take
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: me to articulate where I want to go, so hopefully
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: everyone else is just kind of following me here, not
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: necessarily that Draco's like defeated by Harry, but like they
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: kind of start to have mutual understanding with each other
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: and Curse Child, and I think that it is more that,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: like they both bend, but it's more that, like I
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: think we see that bend more from Draco, like Harry's Harry,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: like he's his character is like pretty set where I
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: think like Draco has more of like a character progression
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: as he gets older, and he has like kind of
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: like this redemption arc, right, And I think that Harry
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: almost like indirectly affects like his redemption arc a little bit.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Don't know what I'm saying makes sense at all. Hopefully
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: somebody listening is picking it up. But I think that
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: like Harry is pretty instrumental to like Draco's story, even
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: if he doesn't want to like, admit it. Yeah, hopefully
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: that made sense. Brain's not really working this morning. Hopefully
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: that made sense.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's interesting you bring up Kursechild because
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Scorpius is also on my list.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Right, of course, that's why not.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: So in Greek mythology, the Scorpius constellation represents the giant
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: scorpion that Gaya is sent to sting and kill Obrian.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: As enemies, Scorpius and Orion the Hunter are placed on
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: opposite side of the sky from each other, and when
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Scorpius rises in the summer, Orian set in vice versa
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: with the change of seasons, so the two are never
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: in the sky together at the same time. I just
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: immediately thought of the Scorpion king and the alternate timeline
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and how he's basically used as a tool, like to
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: do the bidding of someone else, right, so kind of
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: like that scorpion in its relation to Gaya. So yeah,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I think there's also something to this, like not being
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: in the sky at the same time as your opposite
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and I think that's like Scorpius and Elvis obviously are
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: not enemies, but I think that there's a similar kind
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: of representation there in that like when they're trying to
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: be kept apart. You know, they're not in the sky
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: at the same time or whatever, kept apart. So yeah,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: So this next one I think is probably the most
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: interesting on this list to me, and that is Marobi
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Gaunt and I feel like we need to have a
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: deep dive discussion on Marobi because she's fascinating. Like, I
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: hope the TV show gives us more Morobi because.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think I said that before, those are
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: like some of my favorite chapters and part of the
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: reason why I just really like Half Blood Prints is
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: like just the exploration of all of that stuff. So
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're definitely going to get it. It's like drama,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: it's it's HBO like so interesting. Yeah, we should do
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: a character deep dive on her and what we have.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Marobi. I feel like this is the one
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't realize has a connection
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to stars. But Maropi is known as the Faintest Sister
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: as it's a very faint star in the Plates or
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Seven Sisters star cluster, and this star cluster is located
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: within the Taurus constellation. According to Greek legend, Mropi is
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the faintest star because she was the only sister out
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: of the seven to marry a mere mortal. Sound familiar,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Murropi marries a muggle, so there's our tie in there.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: So Maropi the Star is also sometimes referred to as
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the Lost Plates and basically Marobi's said to be the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: faintest because she hides her face in shame in his
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: life lost as a result because she's so faint. There
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: could be a few different interpretations as to reasons why
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: she's so ashamed. You know, either that's because she's ashamed
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: that she married immortal and shamed her family, or maybe
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: she's ashamed of who her husband is because in Greek mythology,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: her husband Sisyphus, was not the best guy. Neither was
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Tom Riddle argue right, But in the legend, Maropi's husband, Sisyphus,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: was the king of Corinth. Sisyphis famously brought the wrath
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: of Zeus because of a lifetime of crimes such as
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: self importance, betrayal, and trickery. He was punished and made
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: to roll a giant boulder to the top of mountain
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: in tard over and over and over again for all eternity.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like what we see of the Muggle Tom
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Riddle is that he also kind of has some of
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: these traits of being like a little full of himself
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, so that's.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Interesting, and then it must be a genetic thing, because
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I think we see that passed right on.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: He got more than just his father's name. And it's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: interesting because he was so mad that he got his
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: father's name.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: But really, you know, you.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Can change your name, you can change your clothes, change
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: your mind. Where it ghost.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I literally heard it as soon as you said it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: It just in my brain. The lyrics, the music, it
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: was all there.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Good. See that's what I was going for.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: But true, I mean, yeah, I think that's pretty applicable
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: to Baltimore. Sorry, honey, but you're pretty much like your dad.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Ye couldn't run from it. Also, I think like these
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: references to Marobi being lost and hiding her face, it
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: all works in regards to maro Bi gaunt as well.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's literally trying to blend into the background
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: in her father's house. Like I was actually just listening
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: to the audio book in that chapter last night, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: it describes her as like blending into the wall behind her,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: like her clothing blends in and everything else. So that's
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: kind of another reference to that lost Lady's thing.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I think too, Like just I think thinking about her,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: like just what happened like in her life of just
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: feeling like I don't know, like just mentally and like
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: physically like beat down and just having like feeling very
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: like worthless, just being yeah, just I mean I think
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: just being in the miserable surroundings that she was in
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: and like her family, that it makes sense that she
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: would to all the points that you just made like
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: kind of yeah, like I don't know, like hide your
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: face and kind of fade into the background, or I
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: mean the way that the family like treated her, could
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: that have also like created like shame. I know we talked,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: like you mentioned a little bit about what you said,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: like you know, shamed by her family because of who
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: she married, and maybe shamed because of who her husband was,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: but also like did she feel shame because of the
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: way that like her family treated her made her feel
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: like not even if there was nothing there to be
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: like shameful of, Like you just sometimes like I feel
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: like develop that if you're being treated a certain way, right, I.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Mean, they made her feel like she was totally worthless and.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Like right, right, and then you just I think then
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: those other emotions just kind of blend in, and so
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: you just you also blend in to the you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: to the background. And I think that two with her
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: whole story, it kind of then I mean, obviously we
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: can talk about that more if we ever talk about her,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: but just how then it transitioned into a fact of
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: her becoming like having this like obsessive like unrequited love, right,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: and then the steps that she took to obtain right.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's her trying to.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Being desperate for like affection, right, and feeling like you
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: can't like or feeling like we're talking about, like feeling
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: worthless and stuff like that. And if you're always in
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: the background and stuff like that, maybe you feel like
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to gain the attention of somebody, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: so I have to do something to force that attachment,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: which I mean ultimately is what she does with the
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: love potion. Right.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: So you got a wonder too, like if she could
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: be somewhere looking down on how everything turned out after
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: she's gone, Like did she feel shame about who her
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: son became? And the same of that situation that she
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: kind of put into.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Play manufactured Like I manufactured this love and then look
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: at what was born of this manufactured love, and now
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: that the byproduct of that manufactured love is now literally
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: reigning terror on the entire Wizarding World Lost lives. Yeah,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: but it also is like, would any of that have
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: ever happened if her life growing up or whatever was
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: better and that it never needed to be this fading
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: into the background or feeling shamed by the family or
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: anything like that, Like if none of that had happened,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: would she? Yeah, And it's just a whole what if.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: If Tom Riddle wasn't what she perceived as her only
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: ticket out of that situation, then it would have never
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: never come to.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: That, And in that she is the key to the
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: entire story. Look at that. Yeah, the faintest star becomes
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the key to the story. M hm. No, very interesting,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: and I think that I'm sure there's probably even some
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: other like little references to other stars and stuff too
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: that we didn't necessarily talk about or pick up on.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: And yeah, very very interesting. The other thing that we
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: wanted to touch on this episode is obviously the centaurs,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: because they're kind of our most obvious connection to astronomy,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: astrology and how our wizarding world kind of operates obviously
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: by our wisten world, I mean the Harry Potter, but
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: it's ours, right, it's our stories, ours the only wizarding
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: world I know, so it's ours. So obviously, you know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: centaurs are as creatures half man, half horse, mystical beings.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting because they are considered you know, beasts
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: in terms of the way that they're registered you know
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: with like the Ministry of Magic and all of that,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: but are also said to basically have like you know,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: human intelligence, and because of that, they're like very skilled
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: in divination and astronomy. They rely a lot on reading
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: the movements of the night sky in order to predict
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: the future. Due to this, I think, you know, centaurs
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of them could be very talented seers. Now
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the question is like, are they a seer because they
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: can like read the night sky or were they just
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: a seer because of whatever makes which is in wizard
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: seers And they just think it's because they can read
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: the night sky? Who knows? Because I think we talked
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: about obviously, you know, you mentioned earlier astrology being kind
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: of like a pseudoscience, and the centaurs really are on
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: that like astrology style. So it's yeah, very interesting to
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: think about them as seers and like do they think
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: they're a seer for a reason differently than they are
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: a seer? Like, I don't know, just very a very
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: interesting circle.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like centaurs, like I mean from like things
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: that like Forenzi says and stuff like, I feel like
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: they see themselves as not necessarily like Gift did with sight,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like they just they see themselves as
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: holding the wisdom to be able to interpret it correct
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: and they yeah, they see kind of you know, seers
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: as witches and wizards as sort of a negative thing
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: like correct those sight silly seers.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know anything correct where. I think though,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: that some of the centaurs might legitly be seers, and
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: exactly because they don't necessarily buy into the human magic
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: they're explaining they're seeing abilities as being based on what
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: they're reading in the stars and how they're interpreting the stars,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: when in reality they might just actually literally be a seer,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: but it's not necessarily the magic science that they believe
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: that they believe in or buy into. So Yeah, so
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: for them, you know, rather than you know, using something
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: like a crystal ball, like we mentioned, they interpret the
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: planetary and the stellar movements to track world events and
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: you know, foresee the future. And really the key distinction
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: between the like human study and practice of divination is
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: really focused on like day to day fortune telling, right Like,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: we see that a lot when we're like looking at
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: divination class, right Like they're sitting there, they're using different
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: things like tea leaves and the crystal ball and everything
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: to try to just predict kind of random day to
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: day things. Whereas divination for the Centaurs is not really
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: about those day to day things. It's more about dedicating
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: a very long time, sometimes up to decades, to tracking
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: the different celestial bodies to try to predict larger world
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: changing events, wars, shifts in history, not so much those
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: little day to day kind of things. So when we
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: meet the Centaurs, who you know, live in the Forbidden
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Forest on the grounds of Hogwarts, we see that, I mean,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: they they talk and very vaguely, very vague comments. They
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: always seem to be eluding, you know, to seeing the
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: future a little bit. But actually if you really step
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: back and like dissect a little bit about what they're
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: actually saying. It might seem like very vague and silly
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: on the surface, but it actually they were pretty on
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: point with a lot of things here. So you know,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: for example, we see like friends tell Harry that they're
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: faded to me again, and then they do. We see
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: like friends talk about like kind of like he calls
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: it a brief calm but like an intermission between the
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: first and the second Wizarding Wars, which again happens most
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: of our story, right. We kind of start our story
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: at the end of the First Wizarding War, and the
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: bulk of our books take place during this. I mean,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it calm, especially for Harry. It's not
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: a very calm time at all. But in terms of
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: like a larger societal Wizarding War, it is this like
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: intermediary period where there are things brewing, right, and the
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: second vision in war is brewing, but it is this
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: like time of calm. It's a time of peace. It's
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: not a time of Baltimore being at his power and terrorizing.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: So the Centaurs were really kind of correct there as well.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: And also you know accurately predicted that, hey, this is
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: just a calm intermission. There's another war to come, which
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: obviously does happen. So the Centaurs also believe that kind
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: of going back to when we were just talking about
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: like their interpreting or the way that they practice, is
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: that they believe that they're just messengers and that it's
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: not their place to interfere with the predictions unless it
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: has been foreseen that they should interfere, which obviously, being
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: able to predict the future and see the future comes
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: with a high responsibility right of knowing what might happen
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: or and I think that in a lot of humans
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: would probably try to interfere, right. I think a lot
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: of like in in the real world, a lot of
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: stories about time travel or things like that involve humans
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: trying to go in and change events or having knowledge.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: If they're from the future and they travel back in time,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: they obviously kind of can predict the future because they
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: lived it, right, and we see them try to change it,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: and what always happens. It never really works history, these
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: fixed points in time, they'll always happen. And so the
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Centaurs I think, really had this like no, we are
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: not like meant doesn't matter what you know you're not
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: meant to meddle with it unless it tells you that
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to meddle with it, and then they will intervene.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: So kind of back to what I mentioned before for
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: friends kind of explains you know, in the quote, he says,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: as we watch the skuies for the great tides of
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: evil or change that are sometimes marked there, it may
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: take ten years to be sure of what we are seeing.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: So yeah, if you want a quick prediction from the centaurs,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: you're probably not going to get it because they need
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: to watch and track and see the trends. And yeah,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: they're just they're in that they are in the game
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: of waiting and seeing what happens.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: And I know this further proves that they're kind of
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: like not wanting to meddle so much because like, if
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you're waiting ten years, by the time you actually find
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: out what's going to happen, there probably isn't time to meddle.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Like it's probably late, but.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: That's probably already happened. It's in motion. And actually we
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: we do see that kind of in this next point
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: that I have here, Actually is that so I mentioned
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: earlier that Mars was going to come up again, and
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Mars is very important to the centers, right because you know,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: as we mentioned a lot of the things that they
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: like to predict is big events, big historical events, and
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: what are some of the biggest historical events. We have
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: war history class, what we jump from one war to
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: the next, So that is really what they're focused on.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And so their I feel like their favorite planet is Mars,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: and what they track the most is Mars because Mars
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: predicts the things that they're most interested in predicting. Right,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: So we learn from Forends that Mars is the quote
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: bringer of battle, and then also to kind of tie
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: this to Roman mythology, Mars is also like the god
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: of war. So again we just kind of see this
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: constant comparison to Mars and war. So we first see
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: the Center tours using Mars as like a foreshadowing thing
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: in Sorcerer's Stone when we first meet the sent I
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: mean literally, we first meet the Centaurs and they're immediately
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: foreshadowing things. So we have the centaur Ronan who is
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: just repeatedly saying, Mars is bright tonight, Mars is bright tonight,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: and you know he says at one point it's unusually bright.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: And this is in chapter fifteen, a sorcerer's stone called
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: you know, the Forbidden Forests. And this is how Ronan,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: you know, responds when Hagrid asks him. You know, they're
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: in the forest, they're trying to find the hurt unicorn,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out what's going on. They stumble upon
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: the Centaurs. Hagrid asks them, you know. He takes a
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: pause and he stares unblinkingly upward and then starts just
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: saying over and over again, Mars is bright. And Hagrid
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: gets a little frustrated. He's like, yes, you know, so
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: we so we know, you know, because you keep saying it. Well,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: he says this when you know, when Bain comes in
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: and says it too. But so then yeah, speaking of Bain, right,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: So then Centaur Bain joins. Hagrid then turns to Baine
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: because he's not getting what he wants from Ronan and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: is like, hey, Baine, like, do you know anything that's
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: going on? And Bain, you know, walks over and stand
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: next to Ronan, and he also looks up at the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: sky and is like, ah, the Mars is bright tonight.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, and that's when Hagrid then gets very
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: irritated and you know so and he you know, he
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: says to you know, the kids that you know, trying
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: to get a straight answer out of a centaur. He
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: calls him ruddy stargazers, and they're not interested in anything
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: closer in the moon.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: How a very straight answer.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: They are giving him a very straight answer. You just
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: need to like interpret it right. But literally, like you know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: what happens in the very next couple of pages after this,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: literally Harry Malfoy and Fang stumble upon Baltimore himself, the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: cause of the wars in the world and the yes
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: and the cause and you know, and I think that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: you absolutely could say, like Mars was extra bright that
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: night because it was the first you know, we're gonna
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: have Harry coming face to face with Baltimore again, you know,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: obviously doesn't know it immediately. In that time, we learn
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: that Baltimore is back in that moment, we learned, I
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: mean back in you know, obviously in some kind of form,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: but he's still around. We learned that he's he's not dead,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: you know. We learned that he is using other people
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: and latching on to kind of stay in existence and
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: is the one feeding off the unicorns, and it's just yeah,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Mars was bright and then here was Yeah, the the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: uh bringer of the Bringer of Battle is I think
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: a pretty accurate way to describe Baltimore. And here they
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: were Mars is bright tonight, the Bringer of Battle is here,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: and then five minutes later there he is. So then
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, kind of to what you were
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: saying too about their kind of waiting and predicting and everything.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I think that they do get into this position where
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: like the terrible things are already maybe happening by the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: time they determine what the stars and the planets are
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: telling them, you know. I mean, did the Centaurs necessarily
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: know that it was like Valdemore, like feeding on the unicorns?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe yes, I mean obviously we see that like some
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: of them did you know? But did they all who knows?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: They just knew something was up, you know. They also
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: talk about which also could be a little foreshadowing in
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: the same scene and kind of referring to then they
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: say like the innocent like always fall first or something.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I don't remember that it's in you know, riddles when
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Sundors talk, But they talk about like the innocent kind
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: of always being affected first, meaning the unicorn, right, And
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: I think that's also a really good foreshadowing because you
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: think of all of the innocent people who did lose
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: their lives or were casualties of Baltimore, you know, I mean,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: who is like when Baltimore comes back into his own body, Like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: who is the first casualty there? Cedric, someone who's very
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: innocent in that moment. So I think there's just a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: lot of foreshadowing, like just every time we get any
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: dialogue from the Centaurs, regardless of what Hagrid says, definitely
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I should have listened to them. He should have in
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: that moment realized like we should maybe get onto the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: forest because they're telling me that Mars is bright tonight,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: like something's going to happen, right, and it does. So
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: then kind of fast forwarding to Order the Phoenix is
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: when we kind of get to get more of the Centaurs,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: because that is when we see Forriends become the Divination
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Professor much too on Bridges. Yeah, she's not happy with
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: this at all, but it happens. And so in chapter
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: twenty seven of Order the Phoenix is when we get
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: kind of forends is like divination class, and he has
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: the class like you know, observe the planets and the stars,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: and again points out Mars in the scene, specifically to Harry,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Like Harry kind of mentions at that point that he sees,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: you know, this bright red star right above him, right
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: above Harry. Again, I think another foreshadowing moment. So yeah,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: he tells that, he points out Mars. He indicates to
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: the students it is shining brightly, and again that should
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: be the warning sign. Anytime a centaur tells you Mars
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: is bright, you be prepared because something is coming and right,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: and you know it's I think in that moment he's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: saying it, he's like saying it to Harry, and I
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: think it's this little suggestion that something's going to break
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: out soon, Another fight is going to break out, another
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: war is coming, which obviously we know to be true
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: literally a couple books later. So interestingly, I mean, Trelawne
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: also talks about Mars in her class, so it's not
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: just the centaurs that you know, a reference Mars. She
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: specifically talks about how the angle that the planet makes
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: to Neptune in her orry, which is like a model
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: of the solar system. We learned that Trelannie taught the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: students as Parveti is kind of explaining this to Friends,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: that Mars causes accidents and burns when it makes this
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: angle to Saturn, and that that means that people need
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: to be extra careful when handling hot things, and that's.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Houch trivial compared to like war is gonna happen.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Correct, and literally, Friends quickly dismisses Parvadi and Trelawny and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: is like human nonsense. That is the restatus response, And
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: that is a really good explanation right there. Of like
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: just how I mentioned earlier the differences and how the
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: centaurs see divination and practice divination. Is that and how
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier is that like humans really use divination
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: to kind of predict these day to day events, where
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: the centaurs are using divination to predict these bigger impact events.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: And in this moment, Friends does go on to explain that,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: you know, tiny human accidents have little significance in the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: grand scheme of the universe, and he's not wrong, Like
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: you grabbing a hot pan out of your oven and
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  Speaker 2: burning your hand has little importance in the grand scheme
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  Speaker 2: of the universe, in your universe and that money else,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't affect anyone else but you, and maybe anyone
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: else you might complain to about it. And I think
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: that with human divination or Trelawny right, like she might
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: say something like, oh, you know, Mars is currently making
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  Speaker 2: an angle to Saturn, So when you go home and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: cook your dinner tonight, be careful grabbing that pan because
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: you're going to get burned. And she might be right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it might actually happen. I think that we
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  Speaker 2: know that Trolanni has made some accurate predictions, but the
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  Speaker 2: Centaurs are just like that's stupid, Like, why are wasting
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: time trying to predict if you are going to burn
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: yourself in the oven later? It's trivial in the grand
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: scheme of everything, we should be utilizing these these these
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: the talents that we have to read the stars and
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  Speaker 2: the planets to predict things that are actually going to
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  Speaker 2: affect the greater humans and things. And you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that friends would agree that astrology is ridiculous
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  Speaker 2: because he says that these tiny human actions are unaffected
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  Speaker 2: by the planetary movements, Like what do you think, what
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  Speaker 2: do you mean, today, you're going to wake up and
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  Speaker 2: money is gonna come into your way, because Saturn is
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  Speaker 2: aligned in this way, like he would just be like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you even talking about, which I just think
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: is funny because I think, especially in the Wizarding World,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: I think there's a place for both. I think that
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  Speaker 2: I agree with the centaurs and that, like, obviously I
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: do agree, right, tiny little human things don't have significance
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: in the greater scheme of things, and really being able
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: to predict these bigger future human life altering events does
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: seem like a better use of time. But I also
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: think that to dismiss just being able to predict the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: little things because those little things are important in the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: universe of that person and in your universe it's important, right,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: and it's I think there's a place for both. I
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: think there's a place for Let's let the centaurs continue
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  Speaker 2: to kind of tell us about the bigger things that
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: are going to happen, and we'll let Trelawney continue to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: tell us about the little things that are going to happen. Like,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I think both play a role in the Wizarding World.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I think just going back to kind of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: I guess how we started the episode that talking about
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  Speaker 2: divination and talking about the way that witches and wizards
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: and magical creatures also rely on the stars and the planets,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Like it just makes sense that they're so interested in them,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's also why they do play so much
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: focus on just studying it naturally as well, because if
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: you are trying to read the movements and the placements
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: and stuff, you have to understand the science behind what
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: you're looking at and what it's doing. So I don't know,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: maybe that to tie I guess to tie it back
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  Speaker 2: to the beginning of an episode, it all kind of
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  Speaker 2: does fit together in terms of why they even study
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: the stars and the planets and their positioning and how
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: they move, because it then directly plays into things like divination,
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  Speaker 2: which obviously is a questionable science. We know that Hermione
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: is not really bought in to her divination whatsoever, but
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, the centaurs kind of give us
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: that place that maybe maybe there is something there at
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  Speaker 2: least in the Wizarding World.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think too, like from all of this,
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  Speaker 1: there's obviously like a big respect for the stars in
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  Speaker 1: the Wizarding World, not just from the centaurs. But obviously
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  Speaker 1: humans see the importance too, Otherwise, like you said, they
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be studying it for entire families like the Black
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  Speaker 1: Family to borrow names from stars, like there's some sort
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  Speaker 1: of reason and respect there. And I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: it just goes back to something bigger than them, like
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  Speaker 1: even witches in Wizards, who they have this magic. But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like just the human nature of needing to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: believe in something big and something that's more ancient than
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: us and like out there and like.
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  Speaker 2: And to under I guess understand like the unknown. And
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: I think if you really think about it, everything about
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you can even think of like space
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  Speaker 2: and everything that is involved with space is also being
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: like magical and fantastical. And I could see which is
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: in Wizards, like really feeling like space and the stars
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  Speaker 2: and everything that has to do with astronomy is like
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  Speaker 2: this extension of like their magicalness, because it is magical
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  Speaker 2: in and of itself, and it doesn't seem like I
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  Speaker 2: mean even in real life right now, right like I
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: just like thinking about space or you know, obviously, you know,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I like extremely followed the Artemist mission, you know, several
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: weeks ago and seeing the pictures of the mission and
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: pictures that we just get of Space, like it it
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: is this magic. Is this like unreal, unexplainable kind of phenomenon, right,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: And I feel like Space also seems like this unreal,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: unexplainable phenomenon. But they both exit. I mean, okay, now
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: let's go back to the Wizarding World. Right, they exist,
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  Speaker 2: they both exist, but they're both this weird I mean
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: weird in a great way, like weird, unexplainable phenomenon. They
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: have that in common. So yeah, I think it only
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: makes sense that which isn't Wizards would latch onto it
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: because of that commonality. But I also think that even
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: their magic can't explain it, and so there is still
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: that fascination in studying it and using to predicticked because
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: they can't explain it either. So right, yeah, no, definitely,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: very very interesting. And yeah, I think that the Centaurs
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: are more important than people won't let them on to be.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: And they are not just ruddy stargazers. I think as
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: you know calls them. Yeah, it's a noise.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Okay. So we have a couple of responses to last
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: episode's discussion question, which was whatiziting world plant would you
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: like to grow in your garden? So first from Jerry,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Jerry says, if magic could make a Mediterranean water plant
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  Speaker 1: grow in my Central USA pond, the magical plant I
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: would most like to grow in my garden would be gillyweed.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I would love to be able to hold my breath underwater,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: and as I recall, it also made Harry feel the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: cold of the Black Lake less and being older than
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Harry was at the time, I would be sure to
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: carry a packet or two with extra gillyweed attached to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: my swimwear when going for a longer dive to be
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: able to take another dose if my swim lasted more
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: than an hour. Smart Yes. Jerry also says I think Dittany,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: the real magical or at least Greek version, might come next,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: since something with powerful healing properties could always come in
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: handy if you do another Herobology episode, I suggest bobo
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: tubers as another plant that could be discussed, and it
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: is another example of that principle the dose makes the poison,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: explaining how a plant or other substance can be both
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: poisonous and useful in medicine. Undiluted boober tuber pus causes
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: lots of problems. Think of hermione when nasty folks sent
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: her owel post containing this, But when properly harvested and treated,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: this same pus can be used to cure acne. Yeah,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: very true. The same plant can do multiple different things.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: And then Carolyn says, not sure. I would probably want
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: the one that looked the prettiest when it flowered, or
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Devil's snare to keep out intruders.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I plant some at my front door.
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  Speaker 2: So for this episode, we want to know do you
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: think the centaurs no more than they let on? We
• 1:16:52
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• 1:16:53
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• 1:16:57
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• 1:16:59
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• 1:17:03
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• 1:17:07
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• 1:17:12
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• 1:17:15
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• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no stars, stars, planet Mars Mars is very
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: bright tonight. Mars is very bright tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Beware, I'm usually bright. Until next time, I'm Amy and
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nicole. Mischief managed